Macedonian Phalanx vs Roman Legion | Battle of Pydna 168 BC | Cinematic Battle

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @AdituLaudisMMXXI
    @AdituLaudisMMXXI  10 месяцев назад +13

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  • @JawsOfHistory
    @JawsOfHistory 10 месяцев назад +111

    Paullus celebrated one of the most spectacular triumphs in all of Roman history and brought home a truly ludicrous amount of loot. His crowning achievement was having the Macedonian King walk in his triumph, which many contemporaries and modern scholars see as the high-point of the Middle Republic. He was also the father of Scipio Aemelianus, the Roman general who burned Carthage to the ground and the son of the Roman consul, Aemilius Paullus, who died at the battle of Cannae.

    • @rickjohnson1266
      @rickjohnson1266 2 месяца назад +4

      @@JawsOfHistory but not related to Field Marshall Paulus of Stalengrad infamy.

  • @Warmaker01
    @Warmaker01 10 месяцев назад +64

    The whole thing of the Macedonian Wars kicked off during the height of the Second Punic War between Carthage & Rome. This huge war had Rome on the ropes and Macedon decided to side with Carthage. Rome never forgot that.

    • @sanele2948
      @sanele2948 10 месяцев назад

      For the Romans it was treachery and betrayal. For the Creeks “bro this guy’s becoming to powerful let’s team up” literally! That’s why after Alexander died there was no unification. Been that way for hundreds of years before. Greeks will be Greeks 😂

    • @abdulmunir395
      @abdulmunir395 10 месяцев назад +4

      Would it have made any difference in the long term whether they sided with Carthage or not? I doubt very much that eventual results would have been any different for the Macedonian

    • @sanele2948
      @sanele2948 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@abdulmunir395 yes after centuries of civil war the Greeks power was fading but at same time no new tactics developed no innovation. They were still using tactics developed my Philip the second.

  • @dacedruss
    @dacedruss 10 месяцев назад +37

    the Macedonians by this stage no longer had access to enough cavalry to make the phalanx effective, the use of 16 by 16 formations in 256 man battalions and the Sarissa should be used to pinion enemy formations in place the phalangite's not on the front line would place their sarissa's which were 18 foot in length on the enemy heads shields and shoulders , preventing them from turning and holding them in place while the rear lines would hold theirs at a 45 degree angle to prevent missile fire hitting the troops, the cavalry was supposed to be used to actually break enemy formations but by this stage Macedon just couldn't field enough, initially in this battle the Macedonians were winning but when the Romans withdrew to more uneven ground the phalanxe followed and lost to compactness of their units which allowed the Romans to close the distance imposed by the 18 foot sarissa's , from that the battle was lost, if the Macedons had enough heavy cavalry they would have swept the field, the Diadochi wars had depleted their stock to the point it was primarily cheaper light cavalry that they fielded

    • @agar2134
      @agar2134 8 месяцев назад +2

      I've noticed that too when a play total war even the weakest Macedonian unit would crushed Rome's strongest units as long as I placed Macedonian companion cavalry and cretan archers on good positions

    • @greattribulation1388
      @greattribulation1388 2 месяца назад +3

      No, the phalanx just was just too cumbersome and inflexible. The scutum made it difficult to inflict damage and the pila toss was devastating. The sarissa blocking incoming fire is pure myth.

    • @thijsjong
      @thijsjong 2 месяца назад +3

      @@greattribulation1388 agreed. I dont see how sarissa could block pilae. Alexander had medium infantry covering the phalanx flank. Those men had larger shields and shorter spears or swords than phalangalites. And were more mobile. They also supported the light infantry and misile troops. And if possibls filled up the gap between the phalanx and cavalry.
      hypaspists.
      And this time elephants actually worked.
      I think the macedons should have widened their phalanx front and kept light and medium infantry in reserve to support the phalanx and cavalry.
      Lessen the depth from 16 to 12. But the extra wide front could have supported the falnks better.

    • @josephdemarco8931
      @josephdemarco8931 8 дней назад

      The Diadochi Wars were 120 years before this battle. After all that time they couldn't restock their calvary?

  • @chriswilletts3621
    @chriswilletts3621 10 месяцев назад +21

    Epic. Really enjoyed that. That first Phalanx push must've looked terrifying 😅

  • @HellMac
    @HellMac 10 месяцев назад +55

    Nice. I'd like to point out a mistake, the Antigonid dynasty originated from Antigonus the first, who was Alexander's general. Alexander himself was a member of the Argead dynasty.

  • @RomulusBattles
    @RomulusBattles 10 месяцев назад +17

    Awesome video, mate 🔥
    Love the map details and how you show the army movements in real time. You did a fantastic job 👍

  • @adammac4960
    @adammac4960 10 месяцев назад +19

    The Hellenistic kingdoms fought a lot different to way Alexander did. To Alexander the Phalanx was nothing but a pinning tool, to hold the enemy in place while using his mobile and auxiliary units to attack the flanks and rear. By the time the kingdoms went against Rome the phalanx became the main arm and was used more offensively. It was more heavier and immobile. It’s hard to say if the Romans using its system at the time would have fared against Alexander’s combined arms.

    • @Aristocles22
      @Aristocles22 10 месяцев назад

      If Alexander himself was there, Rome would have needed someone like Caesar to win a battle against him. If it was Alexander's army but not Alexander himself, Rome would still have won, as they were familiar with phalanx tactics, while Alexander's army was used to fighting against Persians or other Greeks.

    • @zaldy3243
      @zaldy3243 4 месяца назад +1

      @@Aristocles22 nobody know ...Alexander is such a genius strategist...remember he defeated an army of elephant wars too..

    • @jbatts834
      @jbatts834 2 месяца назад

      Alexander also reigned during the peak of Macedonian resources and manpower, after the Persian conquest and the diadochi wars, all of that was depleted.

    • @joemahon3284
      @joemahon3284 2 месяца назад

      Well, we can use the battles against phyrus as some idea. Would have been brutal, but possibly alexander would have won, but the Romans would just never give up and keep fighting.
      Raise yet another army to fight. Probably would have worn him down.

    • @Utubeasiangirls
      @Utubeasiangirls 4 дня назад

      @@zaldy3243 Every generation of any kingdom had a genius , can't say for sure if Alexander would have beat Rome,Phalanx was just too outdated and Romans kept improving their war tactics.

  • @izuru_kamukura_23
    @izuru_kamukura_23 10 месяцев назад +11

    Great video, I like the camera angles you always use, it feels like a war movie

  • @Panos_Sa
    @Panos_Sa 8 месяцев назад +4

    As I said before thumbs up for this video! Great job! I am Greek from this region and I know a lot about this battle.

  • @Gibson7Clans
    @Gibson7Clans 2 месяца назад +6

    There is a historical report from a Roman General, stating that the only thing he fears, is the Macedonian Phalanx.

  • @JRRodriguez-nu7po
    @JRRodriguez-nu7po 2 месяца назад +2

    Biggest weaknesses of Phalanx was uneven ground and flanking. Here both were at play assuring the end of phalanx superiority.

  • @inquisitorkrieger8171
    @inquisitorkrieger8171 10 месяцев назад +10

    This is why we always stagger the line, soldiers. So we don't get enveloped.

  • @pa5287
    @pa5287 10 месяцев назад +7

    Well put together enjoyed watching.

  • @JF-yu9ct
    @JF-yu9ct 10 месяцев назад +4

    Wonderful video ! Nicely edited ;)
    Would you mind sharing your graphic preset and/or your GEM settings ? Everything is maxed out on my game but it looks nothing like this…
    Thanks !

    • @AdituLaudisMMXXI
      @AdituLaudisMMXXI  10 месяцев назад +2

      Thanks! It's not GEM, I use reshade

    • @JF-yu9ct
      @JF-yu9ct 10 месяцев назад +1

      Could you share your preset ?
      @@AdituLaudisMMXXI

  • @greattribulation1388
    @greattribulation1388 10 месяцев назад +4

    Love this. Great oratory with cool total war docudrama feel

  • @greatndit
    @greatndit 10 месяцев назад +8

    18:03 charged by elephant from the rear...
    now that's GGWP

  • @malgusvitiate7002
    @malgusvitiate7002 10 месяцев назад +11

    Those cinematic camera angles of Roman and Macedonian soldiers being lopped apart never ceases to amuse me😈! For future videos, you should do the Battle of Kadesh (1274 B.C.E.) and Suppiluliuma vs. Tausret (non-historical) for Pharaoh, the Battle of Watling Street (61 C.E.) and Kush vs. Pergamon (non-historical) for Rome II, and the Siege of Milan (452 C.E.) and Burgundians vs. Ebdanians (non-historical) for Attila. Keep up the excellent work churning out more fantastic cinematic videos such as these👍😁!

  • @JustAskingquestions10
    @JustAskingquestions10 10 месяцев назад +4

    This is so cool!!! Can you make the samnite wars or the battle of Actium next?

    • @AdituLaudisMMXXI
      @AdituLaudisMMXXI  10 месяцев назад +1

      never done fleet battles yet. Could give it a try in the future.

    • @JustAskingquestions10
      @JustAskingquestions10 10 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@AdituLaudisMMXXI I think it could be cool

  • @EpochBattles
    @EpochBattles 10 месяцев назад +2

    Are you using Adobe After effect for animating tactical formations?

  • @johnking6252
    @johnking6252 3 месяца назад

    Thank you for the information, was surprised to learn of the conflict at a crucial time in Roman development. 👍

  • @fly_pie_1172
    @fly_pie_1172 10 месяцев назад +2

    How did you recreate this? custom 4v4 with 4 players coordinated?

  • @estefanhernandez8308
    @estefanhernandez8308 10 дней назад

    Most of us watching this have played rome total war... and I love that we learned a lot of history because of it

  • @1czechit1
    @1czechit1 2 месяца назад +1

    the video keeps crossing the camera line creating confusion.

  • @EpochBattles
    @EpochBattles 8 месяцев назад +3

    Can you give me the name of the mod for massive battle please? I would like play and see if my pc can handle this.

  • @CarlosVermeerschSantana
    @CarlosVermeerschSantana 10 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent work. May I ask whether you had to pay for the rights for the battle images taken from Rome 2 Total War?

  • @EpochBattles
    @EpochBattles 10 месяцев назад +2

    How do you have massive units like that? is this mod or pack file manager?

  • @alexnord5756
    @alexnord5756 10 месяцев назад +1

    Прекрасная подача материала и визуал и текст и речь, очень интересно

  • @SmithM1911
    @SmithM1911 12 дней назад

    What mods and base game is this ? Thanks :)

  • @RickGamer123
    @RickGamer123 10 месяцев назад +1

    Impressive as always.!

  • @MyDoodad
    @MyDoodad 13 дней назад +1

    The issue isn't as simple as "yeah duh, just flank the phalanx". The mastery is commanding an army that large with just horns and banners to pull it off effectively while you watch from a distance. It requires immense discipline and training both in the troops and the staff managing them.

    • @4Kandlez
      @4Kandlez 7 дней назад

      Yeah, we know

  • @colin2utube
    @colin2utube 10 месяцев назад +1

    Cinematics were good, and the script dramatic, but the commentary audio stereo imaging was a bit inconsistent !? (eg at 1:03 the cut mid-sentence just before "effectively", and numerous others are distracting). Was interesting and enjoyable overall !

    • @AdituLaudisMMXXI
      @AdituLaudisMMXXI  10 месяцев назад +1

      thank you! I will improve the commentary audio going forward

  • @AITSNS-
    @AITSNS- Месяц назад

    How do uou control the opposite cpu?
    I also want to make cinema like you

  • @Simple_historyy
    @Simple_historyy 10 месяцев назад +2

    Really great video

  • @MrGaraa989
    @MrGaraa989 10 месяцев назад +3

    nice video thx

  • @chewbacca7690
    @chewbacca7690 10 месяцев назад +3

    lmao i just started watching your video and was playing war thunder 5 secs before, great video

    • @AdituLaudisMMXXI
      @AdituLaudisMMXXI  10 месяцев назад

      awesome, that's a great game! Played it too

  • @mikeLiVigni-r9f
    @mikeLiVigni-r9f 10 месяцев назад +1

    what Rome 2 mods are being used? The units look more historically accurate here

  • @timwo1f
    @timwo1f 10 месяцев назад +4

    amazing

  • @fasfas8999
    @fasfas8999 10 месяцев назад +2

    Esta batalla estuvo dirigida por Perseo de forma pèsima como se v en el video si hubiera estado Pirro otra batalla se hubiera apreciado no se el resultado pero ...

  • @johnirby8847
    @johnirby8847 2 месяца назад +1

    The lack of cavalry and existing cavalry not charging was borderline treason. This isn't the greatest example of successful use of hammer and anvil. And it worked well with Hannibal.

    • @jbatts834
      @jbatts834 2 месяца назад

      They didn’t have access to enough cavalry, it wasn’t a tactical choice.

    • @johnirby8847
      @johnirby8847 2 месяца назад

      @jbatts834 Why didn't the cavalry they did have do nothing?

  • @jidechukwuwilliams4833
    @jidechukwuwilliams4833 9 месяцев назад +1

    What game is this plss

  • @macdavid20
    @macdavid20 10 месяцев назад +1

    Would
    Be great if it was
    Faster
    Paced ! Please!!!

  • @thundershirt1
    @thundershirt1 3 месяца назад +1

    "One does not just use Sean Bean's voice..."

  • @uzumaki3457
    @uzumaki3457 2 дня назад

    I love whe they toke units frome Rome total war divided et empire, and its even better to see this video 😊

  • @nzl1977
    @nzl1977 5 месяцев назад +1

    Epic 👋

  • @Kranos_Gaming
    @Kranos_Gaming 10 месяцев назад

    What mods did you use in this?

    • @AdituLaudisMMXXI
      @AdituLaudisMMXXI  10 месяцев назад +1

      Check video description, I have a list. Cheers!

    • @Kranos_Gaming
      @Kranos_Gaming 10 месяцев назад +1

      Thx! I wonder what particular mod adds that red painted and with extra neck guards thracian helmet some of the phalangite soldiers wear?@@AdituLaudisMMXXI

    • @AdituLaudisMMXXI
      @AdituLaudisMMXXI  10 месяцев назад

      @@Kranos_Gaming maybe Legendary HD Greece mods

    • @Kranos_Gaming
      @Kranos_Gaming 10 месяцев назад +1

      I guess all of these are compatible with DEI right? I wonder if the unit cards have been updated as well to match the new skins!@@AdituLaudisMMXXI

    • @AdituLaudisMMXXI
      @AdituLaudisMMXXI  10 месяцев назад

      @@Kranos_Gaming yep

  • @generalvikus2138
    @generalvikus2138 10 месяцев назад

    I've never seen or heard of a phalanx deployed in a triple line before, and I don't see the point. Was this normal?

  • @변하은-b2e
    @변하은-b2e 10 месяцев назад +2

    wow no lags?

  • @riekopo7638
    @riekopo7638 2 месяца назад +1

    Rome Remastered and its mods would be better to depict battles than Rome 2 imo.

  • @GeorgE-yo5yc
    @GeorgE-yo5yc 2 месяца назад

    How effective were the phalanx at crushing the Roman front line though? Wasn't it hard for the Romans to fight through the multiple piercing spikes while sustaining low losses?

    • @andreasfilis9001
      @andreasfilis9001 2 месяца назад

      @@GeorgE-yo5yc it was devastating. If the Phalanx remained united nothing could stop it from the front. But it lost its cohesion due to the terrain.

  • @lesliesylvan
    @lesliesylvan 10 месяцев назад +1

    Looking for historical verification that Romans of that period used only a single rider, with no "castle" atop. 40 of likely smaller N. African decent or an extinct Asian specie
    In checking further, it seems that battle of Pydna had 22 Elephants against the Greeks /And 2 to six riders, depending on size of animal and equipment. Up to 600 pounds (not a lot)

  • @TheLucanicLord
    @TheLucanicLord 8 дней назад

    Makes a change to see the Romans using heavylumps, and for once doing more damage to the opponents than their own side.

  • @OlivierMosimann
    @OlivierMosimann 2 месяца назад

    17:55 WoW, too rare for an Anglo Saxon narrator to pronounce « coup de grâce » correctly 👏🏻

  • @StormRider-t4q
    @StormRider-t4q 26 дней назад

    Them: "Pike warfare was invented in the late medieval period."
    Some Macedonian: "Look, all I did was copy someone's tactics from 1400 years ago."

  • @ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣΧΡΗΣΤΑΚΗΣ-ι6ψ

    There were no more qualifate generals and tacticians worth at that era in the Hellenic world that can effectively use the Hellenic arms and tacticks against Rome,the Pyrus of Eperus and the Dimitrius the sieger were some exceptions to that "rule" which were very promising and had the means but not the character to do so and yet traditionaly the Greeks as always were occupite to fighting themselves and waste valuable ressursces in men and materials to prolonge and unnecessary civil wars than used them against foreigners,if someone can count the Rome a foreigner at all!

  • @Nervii_Champion
    @Nervii_Champion 18 дней назад

    God I wish the Divide Et Impera team made shield models and skins for all the Greek city states in Wrath Of Sparta DLC for Rome II, rather than just lazily throwing in Macedonian Wars as a replacement.
    I think the Parabellum mod kind of helps in that regard, though. Can use some slower battle mods to make them similar to what DEI mod is.

  • @joaomanoel3197
    @joaomanoel3197 10 месяцев назад +2

    👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @pierredelacrau1097
    @pierredelacrau1097 2 месяца назад

    Je crois deviner derrière le "manipulateur" des sous-titres français le mot latin "manipula" (la manipule était une des sections ou compagnies constituant les légions) système manipulaire aurait donc été plus sérieux comme traduction.

  • @jayjay8970
    @jayjay8970 29 дней назад

    So King Perseus got undone by what is effectively the most common well-known and simple strategy that every Total War player knows. Flank with cavalry. Surely if you can see that the Romans have a much more superior right flank, you reinforce your left?
    If you have a phalanx and gaps form, you plug them with counter charges in turn outflanking the flanking Romans that are filling the gaps?
    Sounds like Persus had no idea what he was doing and sat out half the battle doing nothing.

  • @JK-bl2sg
    @JK-bl2sg Месяц назад +1

    You should structure your videos to have less of the fighting scenes and more of a macroscopic view, along with more talking points. It's hard to follow the story with 10 second breaks between fighting and a few seconds of narration here and there. You might as well create a whole CGI battle and not even narrate.

  • @carek3433
    @carek3433 4 месяца назад

    No shout out to TW?

  • @ИгорьГаврилов-ш7ъ
    @ИгорьГаврилов-ш7ъ 10 месяцев назад

    А сколько римлян погибло в той битве?

  • @Beaver-Daggett
    @Beaver-Daggett 2 месяца назад +1

    Я так понимаю что утроение численности манипул, показаных в ролике, сделана, чтобы отряды в игре не начали драпать раньше времени.))

  • @stuka80
    @stuka80 16 дней назад +1

    The legions that fought the Hellenistic kingdoms were the best that republican rome ever produced, all were veterans of the hard school of the Hannibalic war.

  • @tempest7341
    @tempest7341 10 месяцев назад +1

    Eu achava que Roma não usava 🐘 pra guerra pôr serem descontrolados em batalha 🤔

  • @SuperAsian78
    @SuperAsian78 4 дня назад

    Why wouldn’t the phalanx dedicate some men on the flanks to position their huge spears outwards????

  • @williamgeorge2433
    @williamgeorge2433 10 месяцев назад +2

    Persons was no Alexander.

  • @dDYHA
    @dDYHA 10 месяцев назад

    Саша Македонский совершил ошибку. Не рассмотрел Римскую империю и не дал команду её раздавить.

  • @terracub
    @terracub 10 дней назад

    The music has to go. And I don't know what's matter with your voice man but it's weird

  • @Devoted_believer
    @Devoted_believer 10 месяцев назад +3

    The Romans are only hill campers 🤣

  • @orincoon5585
    @orincoon5585 24 дня назад +1

    ROMA Invictus!

  • @pietrolagana5789
    @pietrolagana5789 15 дней назад

    There Washington also numidian cavalry

  • @19Burgandy
    @19Burgandy 2 месяца назад

    I'm always late to the party

  • @stemill1569
    @stemill1569 10 месяцев назад +1

    as well this video is made. It has an annoying AI voice.
    Dude, why not using your own voice?
    Using a game for the on screen action is always nice.
    But the tactical map was also clumsy made.
    It's still better than the netflix Alexander show. But that's not hard to be honest.

    • @AdituLaudisMMXXI
      @AdituLaudisMMXXI  10 месяцев назад +1

      That is a person’s voice my man. And you should try and do the tactical map animation. I’ll pay you if you can do it better ;)

  • @yanbaihuzxzxzx
    @yanbaihuzxzxzx 4 дня назад

    Basically rome won due to diplomacy, they sweetened deals with people, if the greek kingdoms was smart they wouldve attacked when Hannibal was sacking the boot. Rome couldnt with stand getting hit by all fronts. Romans had a few horseshoes for luck

  • @eddyr1041
    @eddyr1041 2 месяца назад +1

    Roman engineering wins here... besides that roman are practically greek

  • @eliasmiranda5896
    @eliasmiranda5896 10 месяцев назад +1

    total war: rome 2

  • @steventhibert9531
    @steventhibert9531 2 месяца назад

    Come on this is part of history rome desimated the phalanx.

  • @Andrews673
    @Andrews673 10 месяцев назад

    Фаланга в 3 ряда, вы че пьяные, какой дурак делал?

  • @AWMul
    @AWMul 10 месяцев назад +1

    Alexanders legacy is a movie and some memes

  • @bf3knifer
    @bf3knifer 10 месяцев назад

    add after add, unwatchable

    • @AdituLaudisMMXXI
      @AdituLaudisMMXXI  10 месяцев назад +1

      I’m sorry about that but that’s what keeps this channel going. I appreciate it

  • @Seenit_73
    @Seenit_73 14 дней назад

    Wrong, just completely wrong.

  • @paolorospo5662
    @paolorospo5662 10 месяцев назад +2

    MI PERMETTA :
    non si dice manipolativo ma la tattica del manipolo si dice
    MANIPOLARE, la cui efficace agilita' sara' ancora migliorata nella tecnica della coorte, che si dice COORTICA.
    distinti saluti
    Paolo Rospo,
    ROMA, tra gli ultimi nativi del
    Rione 1° Monti
    localita' delle prime
    capanne della
    tribu' dei RAMNI
    di schiatta Latino Romana,
    sulle quote dei
    rilievi delle CARINAE (da simiglianza litica alle
    carene delle triremi) successivamente cuore ancora
    nascosto dell'
    URBE nel sistema autonomo difensivo del SEPTIMONTIUMdel 2000 a.C. antecedente all'a Eta' Regia.
    incredibile,
    anche sulla storia antica :
    CENSURA OIROPEA
    CENSURA
    OIROPEA
    CHE BARBARIE

  • @johannunnsteinsson188
    @johannunnsteinsson188 10 месяцев назад +1

    i like your videos, subbed.