As an S1 owner (well two of them now) I’m so grateful to Panasonic for granting me these extra features for free after two years. Now I feel like I have 3x S1H. Aaaand the HDMI record triggering and the fact that the LCD stays on over HDMI is the cherry on top ✌🏻 thanks for working with me on this one Josh 🤜🏻🤛🏻
These are such great cameras, and the S1 was already a great camera to begin with. Love how Panasonic continues to push out these updates and actually listens to their customers. My buddy and I just updated ours and couldn't be happier. Thanks for the positive vibes!
Hey Sergio! I completely agree. Panasonic are literally the only brand I can think of that SERIOUSLY continues to improve their cameras. Such a great reason as to why you should invest in the S-Series. Happy shooting mate! Thanks for watching!
Nice one guys. A lot of filmmakers were critical of the S1 when it was released. Saying how it was more of a photography camera. But I've had it as my main production camera for the last 2 years. It's awesome when you shoot it with an Atomos for great prores files. Nice vid guys!
Thanks for the kind comments, Hugh! Been subscribed to your channel for a while 🙌🏻 Still needing to get an Atomos myself to make the most of the RAW output on my S5 !
@@JoshCameron Thanks Josh, that's great to hear. I actually use the big 7" shogun. I've had it almost 4 years and it's never once let me down. I should have upgraded to the V though. You can get amazing colour from this camera when you shoot vlog and grade it properly by converting to the proper colourspace (something I wasn't doing). Also, when I discovered that the S1 had a secret dual ISO and was super clean at 4000 iso that was great and now this update is just fantastic.
@@HuFilms Ah see I also use a 7” monitor normally! Yeah the colours from V-Log are excellent I’ve found but only when you convert properly... otherwise you get some weird stuff happening! The dual native ISO is great - I’ve known about it since I first got the S5 as it was one of their marketing points, but it’s good to know that all of the S Series cameras actually have this feature 👌🏻
Josh this is great. It's also great to see Russell alongside you aswell I have officially added the Panasonic S1 to my future shopping list after I purchase the Panasonic S5 and Panasonic gh5s
Hey! Thanks for watching and for the kind words! Yeah, Russell is a fantastic and I’d definitely recommend you check out his channel too if you haven’t already 🙌🏼 Haha that’s great to hear! Just buy them all, they’re all so good 🤪
This is why I wanted Russell to help me on this one - since he's been using these bodies professionally for 1.5 years now. It's features like this that only those who have extensive experience with the camera would notice/appreciate! Really cool that you can do that though - very good of Panasonic to have listened to that and corrected it :)
One month later and I’m insanely glad that I bought a used S1 with the V-Log upgrade and Firmware 2.0 installed already. It’s such an insane value for indie filmmakers and videographers on a budget! What is basically a full frame 6K cinema camera can now be had for less than 2K! Crazy times we live in.
I bought the S1 over a month ago thinking it would be an okay b-cam to my S1H. Now after this firmware update I've got, essentially, two a-cams with almost identical specs for my shooting needs.
I just got one, and adore it immediately. I was able to get a bundle deal with it too (VLOG Upgrade, Sigma MC21 + Extra Battery) which massively helps with ease of use! It's firmware was at version 1.5 but I just got it to version 2.1, really rocks.
Awesome dude! I really hope it does everything you need it to. The S1 also feels solid and is built like a tank - that's the first thing I realised when I got it!
Great video, I tested the 6k out over on my channel too. I absolutley love this camera now and have huge respect for Panasonic for doing this. I have a special video planned for next week demonstrating the C4K video and am collaborating with some champion jump ropers to do so. Super excited!
Its a great update! Allthough why I dismissed the S1 is because of the non tiltable screen, having a screen you can rotate/tilt every way is so handy and thats why I got the S5 instead. (and got the S5 over the S1H due to weight).
Great video guys! I'm so glad you're bringing attention to this beast. The 2.0 update is so incredible, and knowing Panasonic's dedication to making their cameras better over time is a big reason why I decided to sell the Canon 5D Mark III and IV that I had for the S1, just over 2 years ago. My only criticism is AF on my EF mount lenses (same as everyone..), but it's not an issue that causes any regret. I love this thing and it is greater than the sum of its parts
Hey! Thanks so much for the kind words - really glad you enjoyed this video! The update is incredible, I completely agree. I don't know any other camera brand that would give such amazing features to a 2 year old body in a firmware update... Just goes to show that they actually care about the end user and don't want to make a quick buck! Are you using the MC-21 adapter? I think most non-native glass on any system would struggle slightly more with AF etc unfortunately!
@@JoshCameron yessir - using the MC-21. At this point I’ve got myself to a point where I’m using it in ways that make sense. Ended up buying a second hand 5D IV to use on occasions when I’m photographing a wedding or something like that. With that said, I did something at a wedding that I never ever thought I’d do - I put the S1 in manual focus mode and used focus peaking through the EVF. It’s not great for every environment of course, but I used it at times when the couple was still or when there was a lot of backlight. I didn’t have much expectation for those photos but they were as sharp as could possibly be. 10/10 would do again!
Just ordered an S1 to work as my B cam to my rigged-up S5 on a documentary shoot. I don't even think I knew the 6K was internal until this video. (Understandably, with limits.) Was just happy to have something I could lock off on a tripod for limitless 4K 2-shots while I grabbed closeups with the S5 as a one-man band. I'd labored making a decision between the two when only one camera was in my budget and now can't wait to see how they work together.
Excellent video gentlemen. And the No1 thing the S1 had over the S5 and all the Canons is that we don’t have to put up with the daft selfie rear LCD screen. Yay!!!
Hey! Thanks for watching mate! Yeah very true - this is something we didn’t think to mention and it’s a very good point. The reason we didn’t mention it is simply because there’s no record limits for any camera when recording to an external recorder (please correct me if I’m wrong here) , simply because it’s just taking all of the data from the sensor and bypassing the actual camera processing. But you are totally right - if you wanna record via HDMI then you won’t be limited by that 15 minute time frame 🙌🏼
Appreciate your point of view but lens collection is a really important aspect to consider as well. Unfortunately, at this point, the choice for their native lenses is so limited (from Panasonic themselves, not Sigma or Leica) I would personally wait until they push out more consumer-grade lenses like the 24, 35, 50 f1.8 as they promised. (85mm f1.8 is already out)
Thanks for the video! The Firmware 2.0 is the reason why i bought the S1 last saturday. For me the S1 is the best hybrid Cam in 2021. Far better than the Sony A IIIS and less expensive.......
I’m so excited to download the new update I can hardly contain myself. All we need now is an autofocus as good as Sony and Lumix dominates the industry in this geographic.
@@JoshCameron I did! But I realized that you have to have the film maker upgrade in order to maximize the benefits. I’m going to have to purchase that here soon.
Thanks for the video... loved the comments. Regarding long form interviews etc, the 15 minute recording limitation is specific to 6K and HQ modes, but unlimited in most 4K modes. So the S1 should definitely suffice for those who would want to record those.
@@JoshCameron Hey Josh, I haven't found a way to enable Video Frame (Aspect Ratio) Markers in S1.. like a cinemascope 2.35:1 mask while previewing so you can compose accordingly. Have you ever tried this feature? Any idea how to achieve this?
beautiful review! I'm so tempted by the S1, specially with new update and the latest Panasonic bundle offer S1+20-60mm+vlog+XQD+extra battery for the same price as a S5+20-60mm! but being used to a GH5, I'm a bit worried by the extra weight and the tilt screen i don't mind the unlimited recording and the mini HDMI on the S5. I'm a bit lost between both but leaning more towards the S5 any advice?
The weight thing will definitely be apparent, especially when switching from the GH5. The S1 is a much bigger camera. It seems like the S5 would be the smoother jump up for you to FF in terms of general usability and form factor etc, so i'd recommend going for that!
hey josh, I bought my s5 around 3 weeks ago. Love the camera thus far. after seeing this video, I am contemplating returning it and spending a few hundred more on the s1. thoughts?
Don't do that!! Honestly, there's not much point. Both cameras produce a wonderful image and the added 5.9K internally shouldn't be the reason you return the S5. There's many upsides to the S5 as well - such as the flip LCD, lighter weight, fantastic for walk about photography and gimbal work etc. The S1 does have some amazing features as well though don't get me wrong - but for me, it wouldn't be worth returning an already fantastic camera just because of this update! That's just my thoughts on it though - either way you'll have a very capable body :)
Gooodaamn luckily i've held off buying the S5, how would you say they compare now ? (because i could buy a used s1 for roughly the same price as the s5 )
Hey Robin! How are you? Well - I might make a comparison between the two cameras soon actually... BUT, i've got to say that you shouldn't disregard the S5 now because of the S1 firmware.... Granted, it's got some amazing video chops now, but the S5 has been built from the ground up with video in mind. If you're working for long periods of time running your cam on a gimbal, then the S5 is definitely better for that. The image quality between the two of them is extremely similar, if not identical. They're both extremely capable and honestly it just comes down to what you prioritise most in your workflow! Thanks for watching again buddy, great to hear from you. Have a great evening!
@@JoshCameron Hi thanks for the quick (though detailed) answer ! I do mostly photography in my daily life and i don't think i've ever recorded anything longer than 5 minutes, i shoot mostly portrait videos so 15 minutes time limit is way overkill for me.
@@Robin.F96 Well if that's the case then you'd be set with either the S5 or the S1! The S5 lends itself to be my preference for daily photography tasks since it's lighter - but the EVF on the S1 is pretty fantastic... I know i'm not helping - HAHA!
@@JoshCameron Ahah Panasonic is not helping either i was pretty fixed on the s5 but that firmware update is just mind blowing 🤩 found a used s1 like New for Around 1600 € when i can't find anything under 1800 € for the s5 (but if i want v-log that actually gets the price up) arrrrgggh
Mr. Josh!! Thanks for all your videos on the S series cameras. I'm wondering if you can tell me if there's a way to assign focal length to a button when changing prime lenses? I cannot seem to find it. That is used for Ibis calculations right? Thanks!
Hey Josh, Big fan of your work, So I am an S1 user, and I have the latest update, but my camera doesn't have any of the features that you two mentioned in the video, I don't even have 10bit on it. Do I have to have the key? I thought you didn't need it.
Quick question though. The S1H has the low-pass filter in it which is supposed to prevent excessive moiré. When shooting with the S1, it doesn't have that feature, but have any of you noticed it as an issue? Is moiré something you worry about?
Hi James, yeah this is a great point and something we forgot to mention in this video. Moiré was definitely not an issue for us though and I haven’t noticed any in the test footage I’ve got with the S1 or the S5. Hope this helps!
Honestly I think it was a bigger issue on the downsampled 4K than the new 5.9K recording. I haven't had a issue with moire in actual use, just in testing.
@@JoshCameron I saw your video comparison between the two and seems like it came down to compactness and flip screen. Was that mostly it for you? Do both cameras perform the same in terms of AF?
I'm thinking about switching rom my Fuji Xt3 to the S1 with 24-105 lens to get started. Even though I have the 16-55mm 2.8 and 55-140mm Fuji Glass I can essentially trade it in to MPB and only be out about 300$ on the switch. I initially wanted something with a more resolution in terms of photography however I do think 24mp is a good sweet spot but I will for sure notice a difference in "LOOK" with going from an APSC sensor to FF. I do Love my Fuji but the option to Shoot 6k for me is plenty and I am looking for that IBIS camera for certain shots. I don't have an Atomos yet but could invest in one in the future. I would Love to also look into the EF to L mount so that I could use Canon glass on the S1 as I also have a Film EOS 1N. My only real concern is AF performance and if it is truly worth it to sell my gear and change systems... Or wait to see what this summer brings with Fuji XH2 system and other manufactures. Final question: If buying second hand S1 say from MPB or KEH, would they verify or annotate that if was or was not upgraded with the paid upgrade? Of say if you bought second hand S1 this is something you WOULD still have to purchase to then be able to unlock the 2.0/2.1 firmware or do you NOT need that upgrade to use the firmware.
Arrgh, this and the current cashback deals on the S1 and S5 (in the UK at least) and I've got major camera FOMO! Been seriously thinking about the S5.... or waiting for the Sony A7iv (and paying nearly double the price) or GH6 (and the AF performance being the same as the S5) 🤔
BUY THE S5! You will not regret it! I promise you, it's such an awesome camera and has so many amazing features! Don't get the sony, you'll just be left with the features it comes with on its initial release and you'll be left behind until they bring out an entirely new camera that includes a new feature you need. I loved my sony cameras, but Panasonic as a company is far better in my opinion, and the cameras are just so much more fun to use!
@@GarethRussellUK I also found his channel researching the S5 and also on the fence and alllssooo think it’s cool he replied with some nice motivational words. Maybe I’ll pull the trigger finally. @Josh Cameron got any fluid head tripod suggestions for the S5? Or any cool stabilization rig suggestions for handheld following during video shots?
Hi guys great video, Might be a stupid question but no matter what I do I cannot get the trigger over HDMI to work. The setting is constantly greyed out. Any help would be appreciated as I have been dying for this feature. Cheers
@@JoshCameron yes, higher bit rate internal audio when using the xlr-1. An interesting but not critical update. 32bit float is the way to capture external audio with the zoom f6 or sound devices mix pre series. But still it's good to have an extra internal option.
I dont think it's possible to send 5.9k to the atomos ninja v in any of the picture profiles, such as cine D or natural/ vivid etc. I think 5.9k out is vlog only, which is a bummer if you dont want to spend hours grading.
I'm a happy owner of an S1 and honestly, I still advise people to look at the S5. The S5 is cheaper lighter and has the same quality as the S1. I choose the S1 only because of the ergonomic ( and i don't feel comfortable with a light camera) and I don't like the flip screen the S1 has a perfect tilt screen, also the S1 has an XQD which I love ( I don't understand people don't like them they are fast card).
Yeah XQD cards get a lot of hate don't they? They're a great format to be honest - I think most people just have an issue with the price of them when compared to SD Cards. Thanks for your insight, glad you like your S1! Both the S5 and S1 are fantastic, it just depends on what best suits you :)
Here is the question now, which would you recommend? Either the S5 or S1? For both photography and videography. Seriously considering buying both over time but I wanna know which one to get first
Personally, I love the form factor of the S5 and it suits the work I do a little more. That’s not to say that I don’t love the S1 though.... they’re both insanely good cameras and you can definitely get the job done to an extremely high standard with them both!
Correct me if I’m wrong but did the Panasonic S1 get “true” 24p? The S5 doesn’t have that format...yet...haha. I wonder if it could be included in a firmware update in the near future.
Hi Jake, thanks for watching! I think it wouldn’t be a bad bet to say that the S5 would get some form of update that is somewhat reminiscent... whether that’s adding higher resolution shooting modes or adding 24p, I’m not too sure! But I don’t think Panasonic are quite finished improving the S5. Thanks, have a great day 🙌🏼
I've been trying to persuade the Panasonic people they should offer the "Filmmakers Upgrade" for the S1R, on the basis that some hybrid shooters (especially wedding photographers), will have both and S1 and S1R, and if you have one, there will be situations where you will want to put every camera body you have into action. (I record classical music concerts), even if it isn't designed as a video camera. There's also the argument that some cinema-esque lenses are Super35 sized, won't cover a full frame, but will match well with the S1R's higher pixel density allowing for crisp oversampled video. Would you pay for an SFU2 upgrade for your S1R? even if there were some hardware limitations that prevented some modes?
@@KeithSklower Oooh yes, of course! I would love to upgrade S1R for even better videos! So far I have been happy with the S1R upgrade, but with the last one they are clearly taking a different path. I understand that they have a strategy, but it's worth giving users a choice and options. Where exactly did you write about this? I think I'll do the same. 😉
There'll always be warping when going ultra wide and handheld (especially if you don't have a steady hand). It's a great IBIS system in my opinion, albeit magic doesn't exist so It's not going to be perfect for everything! Have a great day mate and thank you for taking the time to watch my video :)
@@JoshCameron even on a gimbal I get warping artifacts at 16mm. At what focal length would you say this phenomenon stops? I know it doesn't do it at 35mm and below but I'm not sure if it does it 24mm or 28mm? What are your thoughts? Thanks for replying. Other than the warping the S1H is a beast in every way. Cheers
@@Stanleykubrick2 It's extremely common to see this warping below 24mm and can be seen on pretty much any IBIS implementation, no matter what camera brand you're using. For me, I don't see it at 24mm and that's the widest I tend to go for video. Of course, after 24mm it's completely fine and nothing too weird happens in the corners... I'm not too sure if there's a definitive "cut off" point to be honest, but even with Canon, Sony, Fuji etc i've seen those corners begin to wobble when people are shooting ultra wide. Sorry I can't be much help here mate! Thank you for taking the time to comment on my video :)
@@JoshCameron Tried many adapters, but they were very slow & AF is not tack sharp. EF400/2.8, EF600/4.0 & EF200-400/4.0 are not the same when using any adapter.
@@JoshCameron I have an S1 with an MC-21 and use some sigma lenses. While you can single-auto focus, the S1 will not permit *continuous* autofocus (AF-C) mode with the adapter. It will also not let you manual focus through the remote apps, which you *can* do with a panasonic lens. I record classical music concerts, and the combination of S1 + MC-21 + Sigma 60-600m is killer for recording from the back of a moderate sized hall.
If you watch it on a desktop, you’ll be able to watch in 4K! Also depends on the resolution of your screen though... unfortunately RUclips won’t display in 6K either 🙄😂
Why is there nobody mentioning the missing option of recording in All-Intra even after the update?? The limitation of only recording in Long-Gop makes this camera practically useless for the professional filmmaker, doesn't it?
I don’t think so... I think that’s up to Netflix to announce! But I can’t see why it wouldn’t be since it’s now capable of the same recordings modes as the S1H 👍🏻
@@JoshCameron Another requirement is the ability to *import* timecode from another camera, and the S1 doesn't have the necessary chips on its motherboard to accept that over the external shutter contact like the S1H does.
This is probably on there due to the fact that the S1 doesn't have the same active cooling capabilities as the S1H. Although it's a slight bummer, we should just be happy that a 2 year old camera can shoot 5.9k internally!
@@JoshCameron I've been told that unlimited 5.9k at up to 25p wont cause overheating issues on the s1, and the limit may be removed in future. Also it's interesting to note that the xqd card slot supports far higher data rates than are currently available on the s1, Could this also mean that a higher bit rate option may also be available as a future upgrade? Interestingly the S1h doesnt have xqd /cfexpress support.
I would agree that Panasonic builds one of the best quality and feature-rich cameras in the S1 ... but until Panasonic adopts hybrid auto focus instead of clinging to their Flinstone contrast detect system ... I won't buy one. Change that, gain a customer.
@@JoshCameron Current have Sony gear, but nearing a time for an upgrade. Am not committed to Sony at all, it was easiest to find used here in Saigon. Lot of 2nd hand Sony gear here.
Note: 6k is great, but don't pair it with V-log when recording internally. The 4:2:0 doesn't grade properly. Use the Cinelike D with the values turned down.
I had the impression that you could record 6k raw at 23.98fps over HDMI to the Ninja V (prores raw), and that panasonic offers a lut that effectively allows you to grade that as 4:2:2 vlog.
We're talking about price to performance ratio here - so I'd say for the price you can get an S1 (sub £2000), the specs are definitely in its favour and it very much stands to be one of the best value cameras out there in 2021. Of course, the S1H is the flagship and is a better camera overall, but for most - it's unaffordable. Thanks for watching!
As an S1 owner (well two of them now) I’m so grateful to Panasonic for granting me these extra features for free after two years. Now I feel like I have 3x S1H. Aaaand the HDMI record triggering and the fact that the LCD stays on over HDMI is the cherry on top ✌🏻 thanks for working with me on this one Josh 🤜🏻🤛🏻
It was MY pleasure! Now I'm even more envious of your set-up HAHA!
Lumix should make a consumer full frame anamorphic, with autofocus, next. :)
These are such great cameras, and the S1 was already a great camera to begin with. Love how Panasonic continues to push out these updates and actually listens to their customers. My buddy and I just updated ours and couldn't be happier. Thanks for the positive vibes!
Hey Sergio! I completely agree. Panasonic are literally the only brand I can think of that SERIOUSLY continues to improve their cameras. Such a great reason as to why you should invest in the S-Series.
Happy shooting mate! Thanks for watching!
its an update so good it made me and my 8 year do our first camera review. (it's as weird as it sounds). you two done a great job covering it all
Ah awesome! Gonna check it out!
Nice one guys. A lot of filmmakers were critical of the S1 when it was released. Saying how it was more of a photography camera. But I've had it as my main production camera for the last 2 years. It's awesome when you shoot it with an Atomos for great prores files. Nice vid guys!
Can I message you on FB? I want to clear my doubt regarding Ninja V and S1. I have just ordered Ninja V and purchased S1 two months ago
Thanks for the kind comments, Hugh! Been subscribed to your channel for a while 🙌🏻 Still needing to get an Atomos myself to make the most of the RAW output on my S5 !
@@MesaVerdeProductions yeah, just find me on there.
@@JoshCameron Thanks Josh, that's great to hear. I actually use the big 7" shogun. I've had it almost 4 years and it's never once let me down. I should have upgraded to the V though. You can get amazing colour from this camera when you shoot vlog and grade it properly by converting to the proper colourspace (something I wasn't doing). Also, when I discovered that the S1 had a secret dual ISO and was super clean at 4000 iso that was great and now this update is just fantastic.
@@HuFilms Ah see I also use a 7” monitor normally! Yeah the colours from V-Log are excellent I’ve found but only when you convert properly... otherwise you get some weird stuff happening!
The dual native ISO is great - I’ve known about it since I first got the S5 as it was one of their marketing points, but it’s good to know that all of the S Series cameras actually have this feature 👌🏻
Sweet!! Russell stopped by!! ONE OF THE BEST PANASONIC SHOOTERS ON RUclips! Hands down. The man is a LEGEND! So underrated.
How much he pay you to say this 😂
I agree!! Very happy to have Russell as a friend that I can collaborate with
Josh this is great. It's also great to see Russell alongside you aswell I have officially added the Panasonic S1 to my future shopping list after I purchase the Panasonic S5 and Panasonic gh5s
Hey! Thanks for watching and for the kind words!
Yeah, Russell is a fantastic and I’d definitely recommend you check out his channel too if you haven’t already 🙌🏼
Haha that’s great to hear! Just buy them all, they’re all so good 🤪
Trigger the Ninja V is the feature I’ve been waiting for one year and that’s the best news ever for me. Great !!!
This is why I wanted Russell to help me on this one - since he's been using these bodies professionally for 1.5 years now. It's features like this that only those who have extensive experience with the camera would notice/appreciate!
Really cool that you can do that though - very good of Panasonic to have listened to that and corrected it :)
One month later and I’m insanely glad that I bought a used S1 with the V-Log upgrade and Firmware 2.0 installed already. It’s such an insane value for indie filmmakers and videographers on a budget! What is basically a full frame 6K cinema camera can now be had for less than 2K! Crazy times we live in.
I know it's mad isn't it! So glad that there's a company out there doing this :D
Are the V Log and firmware update free or paid?
I bought the S1 over a month ago thinking it would be an okay b-cam to my S1H. Now after this firmware update I've got, essentially, two a-cams with almost identical specs for my shooting needs.
It's crazy isn't it! Christmas came early this year ;D
Panasonic the best. For those who know and appreciate quality.
Hell Yeah!
Thanks for watching and for commenting as always, Andreas. I really appreciate your support.
Have a great evening buddy!
A tip: you can watch movies at kaldroStream. Been using them for watching loads of movies during the lockdown.
@Howard Dominick Yea, I've been watching on KaldroStream for since december myself =)
I just got one, and adore it immediately. I was able to get a bundle deal with it too (VLOG Upgrade, Sigma MC21 + Extra Battery) which massively helps with ease of use! It's firmware was at version 1.5 but I just got it to version 2.1, really rocks.
Awesome dude! I really hope it does everything you need it to. The S1 also feels solid and is built like a tank - that's the first thing I realised when I got it!
Great video, I tested the 6k out over on my channel too. I absolutley love this camera now and have huge respect for Panasonic for doing this. I have a special video planned for next week demonstrating the C4K video and am collaborating with some champion jump ropers to do so. Super excited!
Ah awesome I'll check it out! Let me know when you post that C4K vid too, sounds great! -
Its a great update! Allthough why I dismissed the S1 is because of the non tiltable screen, having a screen you can rotate/tilt every way is so handy and thats why I got the S5 instead. (and got the S5 over the S1H due to weight).
That's fair enough! Again, it's all about what you prioritise as a 'must have feature' etc - all of the FF panasonic cameras are pretty incredible :D
Good concise summary that puts S1h and s5 on equally great cameras capable of 5.9k. V useful.
Thanks John!
Great video guys! I'm so glad you're bringing attention to this beast. The 2.0 update is so incredible, and knowing Panasonic's dedication to making their cameras better over time is a big reason why I decided to sell the Canon 5D Mark III and IV that I had for the S1, just over 2 years ago. My only criticism is AF on my EF mount lenses (same as everyone..), but it's not an issue that causes any regret. I love this thing and it is greater than the sum of its parts
Hey! Thanks so much for the kind words - really glad you enjoyed this video!
The update is incredible, I completely agree. I don't know any other camera brand that would give such amazing features to a 2 year old body in a firmware update... Just goes to show that they actually care about the end user and don't want to make a quick buck!
Are you using the MC-21 adapter? I think most non-native glass on any system would struggle slightly more with AF etc unfortunately!
@@JoshCameron yessir - using the MC-21. At this point I’ve got myself to a point where I’m using it in ways that make sense. Ended up buying a second hand 5D IV to use on occasions when I’m photographing a wedding or something like that. With that said, I did something at a wedding that I never ever thought I’d do - I put the S1 in manual focus mode and used focus peaking through the EVF. It’s not great for every environment of course, but I used it at times when the couple was still or when there was a lot of backlight. I didn’t have much expectation for those photos but they were as sharp as could possibly be. 10/10 would do again!
Just ordered an S1 to work as my B cam to my rigged-up S5 on a documentary shoot. I don't even think I knew the 6K was internal until this video. (Understandably, with limits.) Was just happy to have something I could lock off on a tripod for limitless 4K 2-shots while I grabbed closeups with the S5 as a one-man band. I'd labored making a decision between the two when only one camera was in my budget and now can't wait to see how they work together.
Excellent video gentlemen.
And the No1 thing the S1 had over the S5 and all the Canons is that we don’t have to put up with the daft selfie rear LCD screen. Yay!!!
Thank you Chloe!
Low pass filter is something that’s not talked about enough. I think that’s one thing that still makes S1H footage smoother and more Eva alike
Hi Paul!
Yeah we forgot to mention this!
Nice collab! I think it's good to add with my S5!
Yeah definitely! The S1 would make a great pairing with the S5 and it’ll be a breeze to match footage from them both 👍🏻
Wow! I was planning to buy the S5 today... Thank you!!
You should still buy the S5! It's a fantasticly capable offering and I wouldn't disregard it!
@@JoshCameron But I like the body of the S1. Full HDMI, classic tilt screen, overall the ergonomics "DSLR" like type.
I think it's worth mentioning that the record limit is only applicable for internal recording and you can still have unlimited using the Ninja V.
Hey! Thanks for watching mate! Yeah very true - this is something we didn’t think to mention and it’s a very good point.
The reason we didn’t mention it is simply because there’s no record limits for any camera when recording to an external recorder (please correct me if I’m wrong here) , simply because it’s just taking all of the data from the sensor and bypassing the actual camera processing.
But you are totally right - if you wanna record via HDMI then you won’t be limited by that 15 minute time frame 🙌🏼
Good to know. Expected that was the case
Appreciate your point of view but lens collection is a really important aspect to consider as well.
Unfortunately, at this point, the choice for their native lenses is so limited (from Panasonic themselves, not Sigma or Leica)
I would personally wait until they push out more consumer-grade lenses like the 24, 35, 50 f1.8 as they promised. (85mm f1.8 is already out)
Yeah I'm waiting on the primes to arrive - when they arrive, I'll be grabbing the 35 and the 50 for sure :)
Thanks for the video! The Firmware 2.0 is the reason why i bought the S1 last saturday. For me the S1 is the best hybrid Cam in 2021. Far better than the Sony A IIIS and less expensive.......
Yeah I completely agree! A solid choice for those wanting to get the most for their money. Enjoy your new S1!
I’m so excited to download the new update I can hardly contain myself. All we need now is an autofocus as good as Sony and Lumix dominates the industry in this geographic.
Have you downloaded it yet?!
@@JoshCameron I did! But I realized that you have to have the film maker upgrade in order to maximize the benefits. I’m going to have to purchase that here soon.
Thanks for the video... loved the comments. Regarding long form interviews etc, the 15 minute recording limitation is specific to 6K and HQ modes, but unlimited in most 4K modes. So the S1 should definitely suffice for those who would want to record those.
Yeah it definitely will! Fantastic camera for long form 4K content :D
@@JoshCameron Hey Josh, I haven't found a way to enable Video Frame (Aspect Ratio) Markers in S1.. like a cinemascope 2.35:1 mask while previewing so you can compose accordingly. Have you ever tried this feature? Any idea how to achieve this?
Can you not just record 6K to an external recorder to get around that?
Can the S1 do APSC punch in without any loss in resolution turning your 25 into a 50 mm just like the S1H can?
I believe so!
beautiful review!
I'm so tempted by the S1, specially with new update and the latest Panasonic bundle offer
S1+20-60mm+vlog+XQD+extra battery for the same price as a S5+20-60mm!
but being used to a GH5, I'm a bit worried by the extra weight and the tilt screen
i don't mind the unlimited recording and the mini HDMI on the S5.
I'm a bit lost between both but leaning more towards the S5
any advice?
The weight thing will definitely be apparent, especially when switching from the GH5. The S1 is a much bigger camera.
It seems like the S5 would be the smoother jump up for you to FF in terms of general usability and form factor etc, so i'd recommend going for that!
hey josh, I bought my s5 around 3 weeks ago. Love the camera thus far. after seeing this video, I am contemplating returning it and spending a few hundred more on the s1. thoughts?
Don't do that!! Honestly, there's not much point. Both cameras produce a wonderful image and the added 5.9K internally shouldn't be the reason you return the S5. There's many upsides to the S5 as well - such as the flip LCD, lighter weight, fantastic for walk about photography and gimbal work etc.
The S1 does have some amazing features as well though don't get me wrong - but for me, it wouldn't be worth returning an already fantastic camera just because of this update!
That's just my thoughts on it though - either way you'll have a very capable body :)
@@JoshCameron 🙏
Gooodaamn luckily i've held off buying the S5, how would you say they compare now ? (because i could buy a used s1 for roughly the same price as the s5 )
Hey Robin! How are you? Well - I might make a comparison between the two cameras soon actually... BUT, i've got to say that you shouldn't disregard the S5 now because of the S1 firmware.... Granted, it's got some amazing video chops now, but the S5 has been built from the ground up with video in mind. If you're working for long periods of time running your cam on a gimbal, then the S5 is definitely better for that. The image quality between the two of them is extremely similar, if not identical. They're both extremely capable and honestly it just comes down to what you prioritise most in your workflow!
Thanks for watching again buddy, great to hear from you. Have a great evening!
@@JoshCameron Hi thanks for the quick (though detailed) answer ! I do mostly photography in my daily life and i don't think i've ever recorded anything longer than 5 minutes, i shoot mostly portrait videos so 15 minutes time limit is way overkill for me.
@@Robin.F96 Well if that's the case then you'd be set with either the S5 or the S1! The S5 lends itself to be my preference for daily photography tasks since it's lighter - but the EVF on the S1 is pretty fantastic... I know i'm not helping - HAHA!
@@JoshCameron Ahah Panasonic is not helping either i was pretty fixed on the s5 but that firmware update is just mind blowing 🤩 found a used s1 like New for Around 1600 € when i can't find anything under 1800 € for the s5 (but if i want v-log that actually gets the price up) arrrrgggh
@@JoshCameron do you think the s5 will get that 6k internally ? 🤔
Hi guys,
I am ready to purchase the S1, however, do you think the mark 2 release of the S1 is coming soon?
Mr. Josh!! Thanks for all your videos on the S series cameras. I'm wondering if you can tell me if there's a way to assign focal length to a button when changing prime lenses? I cannot seem to find it. That is used for Ibis calculations right? Thanks!
Hey Josh,
Big fan of your work, So I am an S1 user, and I have the latest update, but my camera doesn't have any of the features that you two mentioned in the video, I don't even have 10bit on it. Do I have to have the key? I thought you didn't need it.
Quick question though. The S1H has the low-pass filter in it which is supposed to prevent excessive moiré. When shooting with the S1, it doesn't have that feature, but have any of you noticed it as an issue? Is moiré something you worry about?
Hi James, yeah this is a great point and something we forgot to mention in this video. Moiré was definitely not an issue for us though and I haven’t noticed any in the test footage I’ve got with the S1 or the S5.
Hope this helps!
I've never noticed any moire when shooting on the s1, but personally I'd prefer the slightly sharper image without the low pass filter.
I've literally never noticed moire myself :)
Honestly I think it was a bigger issue on the downsampled 4K than the new 5.9K recording. I haven't had a issue with moire in actual use, just in testing.
Hey josh, money wise I would get the s1 over the s1h, but what would you do for a second body? I have an s5. Get another s5 or get an s1?
I have an S1 and an S5, but to be honest if I could do it again i'd get a second S5
@@JoshCameron I saw your video comparison between the two and seems like it came down to compactness and flip screen. Was that mostly it for you? Do both cameras perform the same in terms of AF?
I'm thinking about switching rom my Fuji Xt3 to the S1 with 24-105 lens to get started. Even though I have the 16-55mm 2.8 and 55-140mm Fuji Glass I can essentially trade it in to MPB and only be out about 300$ on the switch. I initially wanted something with a more resolution in terms of photography however I do think 24mp is a good sweet spot but I will for sure notice a difference in "LOOK" with going from an APSC sensor to FF. I do Love my Fuji but the option to Shoot 6k for me is plenty and I am looking for that IBIS camera for certain shots. I don't have an Atomos yet but could invest in one in the future.
I would Love to also look into the EF to L mount so that I could use Canon glass on the S1 as I also have a Film EOS 1N. My only real concern is AF performance and if it is truly worth it to sell my gear and change systems... Or wait to see what this summer brings with Fuji XH2 system and other manufactures.
Final question: If buying second hand S1 say from MPB or KEH, would they verify or annotate that if was or was not upgraded with the paid upgrade? Of say if you bought second hand S1 this is something you WOULD still have to purchase to then be able to unlock the 2.0/2.1 firmware or do you NOT need that upgrade to use the firmware.
Arrgh, this and the current cashback deals on the S1 and S5 (in the UK at least) and I've got major camera FOMO! Been seriously thinking about the S5.... or waiting for the Sony A7iv (and paying nearly double the price) or GH6 (and the AF performance being the same as the S5) 🤔
BUY THE S5! You will not regret it! I promise you, it's such an awesome camera and has so many amazing features! Don't get the sony, you'll just be left with the features it comes with on its initial release and you'll be left behind until they bring out an entirely new camera that includes a new feature you need.
I loved my sony cameras, but Panasonic as a company is far better in my opinion, and the cameras are just so much more fun to use!
Thanks @@JoshCameron 🙏🏻 I actually found your channel researching the S5 so I appreciate you taking the time to reply!
@@GarethRussellUK It’s my pleasure, thank you for watching and make sure to let me know what camera you end up getting 🙌🏼
Will do @@JoshCameron, currently doing some man maths to justify buying the S5 as an investment in my channel! 😆
@@GarethRussellUK I also found his channel researching the S5 and also on the fence and alllssooo think it’s cool he replied with some nice motivational words. Maybe I’ll pull the trigger finally.
@Josh Cameron got any fluid head tripod suggestions for the S5? Or any cool stabilization rig suggestions for handheld following during video shots?
Does the new anamorphic lens support mean the S1 now has different IBIS modes for different stretch ratios, like the S1H does?
I don't think it does actually, not from what I can see
Hi guys great video,
Might be a stupid question but no matter what I do I cannot get the trigger over HDMI to work. The setting is constantly greyed out. Any help would be appreciated as I have been dying for this feature.
Cheers
Hi Ben, you need to turn on the Timecode settings in the separate timecode menu!
You forgot to mention the higher audio bit rate that's added when using the xlr-1 adapter.
I did forget to mention this - didn't even think about the audio! But did that come with the new firmware?
@@JoshCameron yes, higher bit rate internal audio when using the xlr-1.
An interesting but not critical update.
32bit float is the way to capture external audio with the zoom f6 or sound devices mix pre series. But still it's good to have an extra internal option.
I dont think it's possible to send 5.9k to the atomos ninja v in any of the picture profiles, such as cine D or natural/ vivid etc.
I think 5.9k out is vlog only, which is a bummer if you dont want to spend hours grading.
Hi Josh, does the S1 dual native ISO only applies to VLOG?
I'm a happy owner of an S1 and honestly, I still advise people to look at the S5. The S5 is cheaper lighter and has the same quality as the S1. I choose the S1 only because of the ergonomic ( and i don't feel comfortable with a light camera) and I don't like the flip screen the S1 has a perfect tilt screen, also the S1 has an XQD which I love ( I don't understand people don't like them they are fast card).
Yeah XQD cards get a lot of hate don't they? They're a great format to be honest - I think most people just have an issue with the price of them when compared to SD Cards.
Thanks for your insight, glad you like your S1! Both the S5 and S1 are fantastic, it just depends on what best suits you :)
Here is the question now, which would you recommend? Either the S5 or S1? For both photography and videography. Seriously considering buying both over time but I wanna know which one to get first
luvin my S1H !
Between S5 and S1 which one do you prefer?
S1
Personally, I love the form factor of the S5 and it suits the work I do a little more. That’s not to say that I don’t love the S1 though.... they’re both insanely good cameras and you can definitely get the job done to an extremely high standard with them both!
I prefer S1 when I tried both, S1 just feels solid.
@@JoshCameron Great! I already have S5 now and will be shooting a short film very soon!
@@storiesbyamir4653 Ah cool! Let me know when it's viewable - would love to see it!
Correct me if I’m wrong but did the Panasonic S1 get “true” 24p? The S5 doesn’t have that format...yet...haha. I wonder if it could be included in a firmware update in the near future.
Hi Jake, thanks for watching! I think it wouldn’t be a bad bet to say that the S5 would get some form of update that is somewhat reminiscent... whether that’s adding higher resolution shooting modes or adding 24p, I’m not too sure! But I don’t think Panasonic are quite finished improving the S5.
Thanks, have a great day 🙌🏼
Do you think the S1 will get the BRAW update? I am a resolve user and thinking of investing in this camera..
The S1 unfortunately didn't get the BRAW update - it was only the S1H that got that!
@@JoshCameron I'm asking do you think s1 will get BRAW in near future?
Im not sure to be honest... My guess would be no - because I think they'll try to keep that a feature of the flagship S1H
What SD cards is needed to record 6k on the S1 or do we need to use XQD?
I love to work with my S1R. It's really workhorse beast in a bunker-resistant package.
Hahaha! Damn right!
I've been trying to persuade the Panasonic people they should offer the "Filmmakers Upgrade" for the S1R, on the basis that some hybrid shooters (especially wedding photographers), will have both and S1 and S1R, and if you have one, there will be situations where you will want to put every camera body you have into action. (I record classical music concerts), even if it isn't designed as a video camera. There's also the argument that some cinema-esque lenses are Super35 sized, won't cover a full frame, but will match well with the S1R's higher pixel density allowing for crisp oversampled video. Would you pay for an SFU2 upgrade for your S1R? even if there were some hardware limitations that prevented some modes?
@@KeithSklower Oooh yes, of course! I would love to upgrade S1R for even better videos! So far I have been happy with the S1R upgrade, but with the last one they are clearly taking a different path. I understand that they have a strategy, but it's worth giving users a choice and options. Where exactly did you write about this? I think I'll do the same. 😉
Is that camera record 4k 60 fps Without crop?
Does it record 100fps? I can not find any info about that? if yes? 4k/fhd? 10 or 8 bit?
The S1 shoots 100fps in FHD - I'm not sure if it's 8 or 10 bit though... I'll have to check on that for you!
Best ibis in the business? What's all the warping in the corners when I shoot at 16mm?
There'll always be warping when going ultra wide and handheld (especially if you don't have a steady hand).
It's a great IBIS system in my opinion, albeit magic doesn't exist so It's not going to be perfect for everything!
Have a great day mate and thank you for taking the time to watch my video :)
@@JoshCameron even on a gimbal I get warping artifacts at 16mm. At what focal length would you say this phenomenon stops? I know it doesn't do it at 35mm and below but I'm not sure if it does it 24mm or 28mm? What are your thoughts? Thanks for replying. Other than the warping the S1H is a beast in every way. Cheers
@@Stanleykubrick2 It's extremely common to see this warping below 24mm and can be seen on pretty much any IBIS implementation, no matter what camera brand you're using. For me, I don't see it at 24mm and that's the widest I tend to go for video. Of course, after 24mm it's completely fine and nothing too weird happens in the corners... I'm not too sure if there's a definitive "cut off" point to be honest, but even with Canon, Sony, Fuji etc i've seen those corners begin to wobble when people are shooting ultra wide.
Sorry I can't be much help here mate! Thank you for taking the time to comment on my video :)
@@JoshCameron cheers lad. I didn't see it either on my first test with the Sigma 24-35 but just wanted a second opinion. Many thanks.
@@Stanleykubrick2 Anytime, mate! Have a great evening!
The differences between s5 current version and s1 ver2.0？ Plz share your thoughts
I'm planning on making a video about this! Stay tuned!
Hi , You are right …I ordered S1.
They make adapter to use EF or AI lenses & fully compatible?
There's the Sigma MC-21 that allows you to connect EF mount lenses to your L Mount body. It's fully electronic so you can till Autofocus etc :)
@@JoshCameron Tried many adapters, but they were very slow & AF is not tack sharp.
EF400/2.8, EF600/4.0 & EF200-400/4.0 are not the same when using any adapter.
@@JoshCameron I have an S1 with an MC-21 and use some sigma lenses. While you can single-auto focus, the S1 will not permit *continuous* autofocus (AF-C) mode with the adapter. It will also not let you manual focus through the remote apps, which you *can* do with a panasonic lens. I record classical music concerts, and the combination of S1 + MC-21 + Sigma 60-600m is killer for recording from the back of a moderate sized hall.
Cool video guys. But 1080p to look at 6k quality ? 😜
If you watch it on a desktop, you’ll be able to watch in 4K! Also depends on the resolution of your screen though... unfortunately RUclips won’t display in 6K either 🙄😂
More Panasonic content 👍👍
Yessir!
Sub 2000? With the current cash back deal you can get it with the kits for 1549. That's the best deal onm the market vs the competition
That's pretty insane right!
Anybody have any good recommendations for CARDS for this camera ?! I'm a GH5 owner so, when I upgrade I'm gonna need those cards ! lol.
The best video camera for budget may be?)
They should add 120 fps on 4k with update
That would be cool!
Hello, commenting again
Haha, loves watching himself ;)
@@JoshCameron 😂
Why is there nobody mentioning the missing option of recording in All-Intra even after the update?? The limitation of only recording in Long-Gop makes this camera practically useless for the professional filmmaker, doesn't it?
Sony A7IV or S1 ?
Hardware and Build Quality then the S1 is by far superior :)
Is autofocus this bad only for me?
so is s1 now netflix approved ?
I don’t think so... I think that’s up to Netflix to announce! But I can’t see why it wouldn’t be since it’s now capable of the same recordings modes as the S1H 👍🏻
I believe the Netflix requirements call for an All-I/intraframe codec, which is one of the recording modes that the S1H has over the S1.
@@JoshCameron Another requirement is the ability to *import* timecode from another camera, and the S1 doesn't have the necessary chips on its motherboard to accept that over the external shutter contact like the S1H does.
Panasonic, if your reading these comments, please please please remove the 15 minute internal record limit on 5.9k 24/25p ❤❤❤👍
This is probably on there due to the fact that the S1 doesn't have the same active cooling capabilities as the S1H. Although it's a slight bummer, we should just be happy that a 2 year old camera can shoot 5.9k internally!
@@JoshCameron I've been told that unlimited 5.9k at up to 25p wont cause overheating issues on the s1, and the limit may be removed in future.
Also it's interesting to note that the xqd card slot supports far higher data rates than are currently available on the s1,
Could this also mean that a higher bit rate option may also be available as a future upgrade?
Interestingly the S1h doesnt have xqd /cfexpress support.
@Russsel, dude whats happening to your eyes?! :D
I would agree that Panasonic builds one of the best quality and feature-rich cameras in the S1 ... but until Panasonic adopts hybrid auto focus instead of clinging to their Flinstone contrast detect system ... I won't buy one. Change that, gain a customer.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! What system do you use currently?
@@JoshCameron Current have Sony gear, but nearing a time for an upgrade. Am not committed to Sony at all, it was easiest to find used here in Saigon. Lot of 2nd hand Sony gear here.
S1 or the S5.. 🤔
Whatever suits you the best! Both are great!
S5 - Much Lighter
S1 - Better viewfinder, Full size HDMI, slightly better video features, unlimited internal record times.
Note: 6k is great, but don't pair it with V-log when recording internally. The 4:2:0 doesn't grade properly. Use the Cinelike D with the values turned down.
Ah see I haven't found any issues with grading the 6K in V-Log?
What issues have you ran into?
@@JoshCameron You'll get noticeable colour blocking depending on the lighting. Vlog is best on 4:2:2 4k. :)
@@jesseyules I'd normally shoot 4K 4:2:2 anyways! Would be interested to see this blocking if you have any examples?
@@JoshCameron jesse@jesseyules.com Drop me a DM. I send you a couple jpegs.
I had the impression that you could record 6k raw at 23.98fps over HDMI to the Ninja V (prores raw), and that panasonic offers a lut that effectively allows you to grade that as 4:2:2 vlog.
No it is not. The S1H is the one, for real pros.
We're talking about price to performance ratio here - so I'd say for the price you can get an S1 (sub £2000), the specs are definitely in its favour and it very much stands to be one of the best value cameras out there in 2021.
Of course, the S1H is the flagship and is a better camera overall, but for most - it's unaffordable.
Thanks for watching!
@@JoshCameron True. But for long uninterrupted shooting, the SH1 is still the one.
@@motebike completely agree!