Weighted Socket Adapter Build Experiments
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Never a fail, when we learn. Very informative, thanks.
Take the impact gun and put a pipe wrench on the socket as you are hammering. Leverage rather than mass. Nice video.
This is a great idea. It never crossed my mind before. Thanks for sharing
Combining steady torque w a bit of shock. It's going to work. Problem is I usually can't get a pipe wrench into those spots. Also takes an extra set of hands.
Thanks!
Family friend who was a Sears mechanic for 25 years told me... "When using impact tools, grip the socket with your free hand and twist counter to the direction of the rotation the tool is trying to achieve". Something about the momentary reset of the socket back against the hammers gives them more driving force each time they hit. Not sure of the science behind the theory, but in my experience, this trick has proved helpful almost every time. And I have honestly never seen a weighted or flywheel socket. Just heavy duty sockets designed for impact tools. Great video!
@@matthewpeterson3329 ever seen a socket explode, it would be ugly on a hand
LOL !!! I love Ginger !!! Glad to see her lose the cone. Your invention was not a failure. You just discovered three ways that didn't work.
Will be doing a magnet bottle for the filings.
Ginger, keeping those branches trim, such a star.
me too - thanks!
Another idea I've seen other places is to have a plank connected to a handle, like a broom. Then add wheels to the sides and magnets to the underside of plank.
Now you have a magnetic collector you can roll around at the floor.
I think this is the first time I've seen you make something and it not work out as planned lol. I think the weight has to be on the socket, adapters just have a lot of torque loss. Interested in a part 2 of this vid.
Also, maybe the Dewalt is already maxed out on that impact socket. Repeat your experiment but using smaller bolts, with light weight non impact sockets and your adapter. Loved this video. So much more testing to do!
I though it would have worked. You did a good job explaining the why with each modification.
Stay safe, Joe Z
Thanks Joe
@@sixtyfiveford You're welcome.
Thanks for being willing to show a fail. I have no doubt you'll find a better version and I can't wait for that video
Ginger the trail groomer!
Ginger was having a good time, Yoda has a crush on her. 👍👍👍
at least we know why the flywheel extensions don't exist but the sockets do. Awesome video, great SCIENCE!
Long time viewer and subscriber, I've always liked your videos and I'm glad you're not scared to show your fails!
Send it to the guys at Torque Test Channel! lets get some numbers on it.
Funny cuz if it had worked I was gonna hit up ttc to watch the video n test it. Hell they might even be able to give moe some ideas on where to go with it. A collab would be awesome
I think not having a solid connection between the mass and the socket reduces impact. I've done the opposite of your experiment: while screwing together 20ga steel stud, my impact screwdrivers (12v and 20v dewalts) were snapping the tips off of phillips #2 bits like crazy. (any bit brand, big name or no-name, "impact rated" or not, all the bits were snapping or twisting the tip, any length from 1.5 inch to 6 inch bits) SO I did an experiment: instead of a one piece phillips bit, I tried a magnetic bit holder + short bit. And since then I can go all day on the same bit, no snapping or twisting, in any of my impact guns!
I think your adapters are the undoing
I like the experimentation and the bottle with the magnets is a great idea. Thanks.
Excellent video!! That's why it's call Research and DEVELOPMENT!! I think you're on to something. I wonder if the flywheel is absorbing some of the impact. Maybe instead of a flywheel, just a small flat bar with weights on the ends. I don't know but good luck, you'll figure it out, you always do!!☺
Love the magnet bottle swarf picker-upper thingy....lol
Man moe, I was really getting my hopes up with this one. But I don't doubt for a second that you'll figure out how to make it work. N as another commenter said, hit up the torque test channel n toss it around with them n see if they'll run some samples on their setup to see what gives the most gains
Don’t know if I’m on the right track . But I have always wondered why the engineers put quarter moon weights on the old steam trains drive wheels with the long piston shafts . Look at the old videos of the steam trains spinning wheels just before they pull off . Would an off set weight help torque . Love your show I get lots of ideas . 🇺🇸🇨🇦👍
Excellent idea though. Keep thinking and experimenting. This is not a failure because you know what does not work the way you wanted. Thanks for the video.
Thanks
Ginger is AWEsome!!! Love her. Your "nuts and bolts"/ mechanical ingenuity vids are great too. Keep it up.
The anvil stays the same. More force needed to spin this extra weight. The frequency of resonance will shift.
What about pre-tensioning it to remove slop? A rubber band twisted around the shaft that you pull to have all surfaces engaged when the hammer hits? There is a lot of bouncing in the connections.
Tip from a viewer: white pen markings on the socket to easier see rotation.
I would love to see more experiments. Thank you!
I say take a beer break. Then back to the drawing board 🤣. Ginger just grabbing kindling to start a fire.😆
I like your pop bottle with magnets inside/ metal clean up tool. I've used 2 shopping bags(2 kroger bags with a magnet inside! Separate the bags & the shavings fall. Your idea is better! Mine was make shift. Metal shavings in a gravel driveway. It worked pretty good!!!! No flat tires yet!
Great idea!
The effect (increased torque) may be result of increased stiffness of heavy wall socket, rather than increased weight. thanks for interesting topic.
I agree with you about stiffness. My guess is he is loosing a lot of impact force is the connection of the extension to socket. Some force is lost between the gun and extension. More between the the flexible extension and socket.
@@cpcoark Yeah he is putting 'work' into the faces of each extension. After a while the working facing ends where the extension is being struck will be malled, indicating work is being done there and not onto the nut.
Actually I watched thin wall chrome sockets beat out thick walled impact sockets in graphed toque tests. The thought there is the lighter the socket the less mass is adsorbed and more force of the gun goes into the bolt. Also in regards to the extensions, tests of a single 15" extension put up against 3 pieces adding up to 15" and the torque results were the same.
Thanks for your candid videos. Always good insights.
I would probably watch an hour-long video of just Ginger. Looks like a bundle of entertainment.
Was about to say the same. Maybe a day in the life with Ginger?
Ginger the tree trimmer! Good doggo!
I needed to use one of these to get the harmonic balancer off my 07 xterra. from my understanding the added mass is to prevent the socket from deforming on each impact so more energy is transmitted to the bolt. whatever it is, the one I used worked.
With the right weight and short as possible adapter and right diameter this will work. And to test will have to be on a nut just out of range of the normal impact socket, I'm definatly going to try this.
Inertia is directly correlated to velocity which means if you loosen the bolt up several turns and then use the flywheel socket adaptor it might help tighten the bolt more, but for loosening a stuck bolt it isn’t going to really do anything. Using your hammer example if the hammer is only a quarter inch away from what you’re hitting it makes only a minimal difference if you use the small hammer or the big hammer because there is almost no velocity (unless you hit the resonance frequency of the impact wrench but that’s a different story)
What about an adapter that fit into a 3/4 drive socket and converted to 1/2 drive while also have a flat plate with a sleeve that wrapped around the socket, putting the weight in a better place and adding minimal length. Could make like 3 sizes to to be close enough to various socket OD sizes. Bonus points for making one that auto fits the OD of any socket.
Yeah! That would be really cool, but would have to be brand specific due to differences in wall thickness and quality
appreciate your time and all your videos. but yeah it makes sense to put the weight on the outside if you took that hammer and try to hit something real close you could'nt get hardly any swing on it. farther the wait is out the harder it should be able to hit. never realized that until watching this video but that does make sense. can't wait to see if you improve on it down the road. thanks again
Props for the idea, testing, and showing a very rare failure! Love you bro! Maybe the weight just has to be on the socket itself...? I wonder if it might even work better if the weight has a bit of play so as to actually have a hammering effect?
It was fun to watch!
I was excited to see if this worked. I'm curious if the free play in all the connections is absorbing your impact. The adapter and the extension.
I think he said in the beginning that it does by a factor of 10 but you would still gain 40 so it should be a win.
@@danielwurmer2266 , 10%, not a factor of 10. The free play might, or might not be run out at the best time for the most hammer force tho.
@@senatorjosephmccarthy2720 my bad, english is not my first language, thanks for correcting me!
I think you placed the camera perfectly behind the battery just for people like me to lean to the side trying to see🤣🤣🤣
IDK what the hell that was about but I admire your perseverance as usual.
Not a fail, you're just getting closer to a solution. Maybe when it's already spinning it already had the momentum going then it get right and slams the extra weight.
I have ran in too a few fasteners that gave my Milwaukee M18 which can hit at at 1400ft-lbs then I have to go too pneumatic powered 3/4" or 1" Chicago Pneumatics big boys with 2800ft-lbs with the hot wrench but it is great having something else to try working up to that point.
I don't know. It seems like the stroke of the gun is too short so the weight doesn't have enough momentum, plus the weight seems to slow down the hammer. It would be like using a slide hammer but could only get half an inch of travel of the hammer.
I love your honesty👍, this will never work as it is not in motion but if you want to trade battery life for impact improvement you need to increase the anvil weight what is in motion
Love your little vids👍
Hey Thanks. It's always fun doing these little projects.
Great experiment. Thanks for sharing!
Seems counterintuitive to me. The hammer inside the gun is the same weight and putting more weight in the socket end just takes out more power from the hammer strikes.
I think the idea is that this is spun up before the hammer strikes, if the hammer is engaging before it's moving then yes you're actually wasting energy. The mass of the flywheel is probably important so it can get moving before the hammer blow.
I've been thinking this same thing. What matters is the angular momentum of the hammer and you cannot change the mass or speed (momentum) of the hammer. Doing anything to the nut, socket, extension, anvil, etc, will just add mass that takes energy out of the hammer. Same reason why you don't want to add extensions to an impact, they just suck the power out of the impact. I haven't done research but I don't see how adding weight to the thing being hit (socket) will positively change the performance of the hitter (hammer inside impact).
After thinking on it, the only way a heavier socket would help is if the socket was spun up fast before it was put on the nut so it has its own angular momentum. That's not at all feasible though.
Not necessarily. Remember, force = mass x acceleration. If you can increase the mass while retaining the same acceleration, youre force has increased. I assume that for many of these impacts, the acceleration of the hammer is the same regardless of the mass out front (to a certain point, of course)
I think it's a great idea but it might take more time and effort than it's worth to perfect it! Eliminate as many junctions as possible. So hopefully only the gun, the weight, and the socket. Nothing in between the weight and the socket. Your dog is such a trip! Liked! Subbed long ago!
Good experiment, the other comments show more knowledge than I've got it this area. You're onto something, a perfect solution may not arise, an adequate one will do.
I can maybe see that this would work by making the socket heavier but, weighing an extension seems counterproductive. Using one adds a second joint into the assembly. While the joints rebound from one impact, the gun launches another impact that has to overcome the rebound. A heavier socket may (and I mean may) change the resonance so that there is less rebound for when the gun impacts again. Just my thought and I sure appreciate you trying.
Someone get this thing to the torque test channel!
My guess is the little bit of slop or play with the additional connection points is what needs to be solved. So perhaps a precision fit with a really hard steel would eliminate that.
Just for R&D i would've welded the extension to the socket eliminating the play and loss of torque. That would've given you a definitive answer to the "Loss of torque with an extension question"
If you didn't want to weld them, then put some aluminum foil in the socket. When the extension is inserted it virtually eliminates any gaps between the two. I've done it many times.
I know I can just weld weight to a socket and make it work but I want the adapter to be interchangeable between sockets. So part of the key to this is it has to work with the slop with the socket connection.
Loose too much w adapters. Try adding mass straight to the socket. I think it would work. Very interesting and informative video. Looking forward to the update. 👍
This was a fun and interesting video to what! Thanks for sharing!
Hey Thanks
Thank you for the videos, I really enjoy them. Always watching them from a small town in Indiana.
Great effort sir.
Interesting Moe ! I bet you figure it out man .. ENJOYED
It was fun either way
I watched another video on it, he did show a 25% increase using an air driven impact wrench and the expensive fly wheel style socket. So it uses some potential energy and converts it to kinetic energy, getting a little bit more total energy.
That is exactly what I thought, theses weighted extensions and sockets just add to the impact wrench you are already using. it makes sense Ingersoll Rand wouldn't be selling them if they didn't work. as the owner of an Ingersoll Rand impact wrench. (one hell of an impact wrench by the way) I would tend to believe them.
I think you have a good idea with a weighted adapter. With some more tweaks you will have it dialed in for sure.
Yeah, I couple more tries.
seems it needs to be spinning .......... then clutch, but that could be a wrist breaker
Weld a little tab on your flywheel and tap it with a small hammer as you turn on the impact tool. Bet it works.
Don’t have any plastic coke bottles for magnets to pickup metal shavings. NY state charges a deposit so I turn them in. Lol
Lol! Ginger the brush trimmer!
That's one of those ideas that looks for all the world like it should work, but it just doesn't. Why? I haven't a clue. I think the idea is relatively sound, but we're missing something important.
Yeah, she gets anxious if I drive down a trail too far from the brush.
The concept of a weighted socket or extension is in my opinion and practical experience of being a mechanic who would work on anything from a tricycle to a bulldozer and everything for over 25 years an absolutely counter intuitive and pretty much a scam. It has been my experience that lighter sockets with a more powerful impact gun is the way to go when trying to remove a stuck or tight fastener. The more a socket weighs the more force it takes to get the socket moving which in turn is adsorbing the hammering energy of the impact-guns hammers and thus lessening the force it is applying to the fastener. Many years ago my Snap-On man had demonstration setup to prove that there (Snap-On) lighter impact sockets were better than their competitors impact sockets which were a lot less expensive but also a lot heavier. The demonstration setup was a piece of plate steel that had been drilled and threaded for two 5/8 bolt, the bolts were oiled and then tightened with a torque-multiplier to stupidly tight (I forgot the the torque valve but suffice to say it was tight) and then using a Snap-On 1/2 impact gun with the appropriate sized Snap-On impact socket on one bolt and their competitors socket on the other bolt they were both tried to be removed using the same impact gun. Every time that I saw this demo being done the lighter Snap-On socket would remove the bolt and the heavier socket of the competition’s would just sit there and rattle on the bolt but could not break it free to remove it. I repeated the test using my IR impact gun and impact socket and the Snap-On socket with the same results. I later discussed the demonstration and results with a several customers of mine who were engineers that worked for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and they all said same thing that the lighter socket would break the tighter bolt free easier using an impact gun because it was transmitting more impacting force from the gun. Two of them also said that if perhaps the threads were damaged or coated in Loctite that once the fastener started to move the heavier socket would have the advantage because then it’s heavier mass would to drive the moving fastener. Hopefully what I have tried to say is understandable and help make sense of this matter.
Makes sense, I watched thinwall chrome sockets beat impact sockets in torque tests with actual graphs showing the value. I actually didn't believe these weighted sockets even worked until I saw independent torque tests with graphs showing a 50% boost over all other sockets.
Make it tighter fitting so there are less losses with movement. Add some weld and then grind it down a little so it's a super snug fit on both ends of the adapter.
You would think so, but I watched tests of a single 15" extension put up against 3 pieces adding up to 15" and the torque results were the same. So the joints seam to have little to no effect on torque numbers. In tests the 3" extension lost about 10% of the guns total torque and that number dropped the shorter the extension and rose the longer the extension. In theory I should be loosing around 5% with my 1.5" long modified extension.
What about a centrifugal clutch mechanism to wind up and hit with one large blow once the flywheel speeds up?
Good stuff, sir. It was worth a shot. I think the included clearance fit on both sides of the socket adapter (which makes tool-less socket installation and removal possible) plays a big part in negating any torque gains. I know you wanted a modular approach with the socket adapter, but could you try a pipe sleeve on that large socket, but not welded on, maybe with a couple of set screws, or a key and keyways? Just as a proof of concept.
The problem is me wanting it modular. I thought about a sleeve approach but the massive size differences in sockets makes it probably only useful for maybe 3-4 socket sizes before you have to make a new universal size. Not a bad idea though. Impact sockets all have a hole for the detent ball/pin and I was trying to utilize that, but I think it's too small.
Very interesting …love the approach to your experiment…would have been nice had it worked. 👍🏻🇬🇧
Next time!
There’s no failures in science. Only results that favor or disfavor a theory. Doing big truck tires I found that grabbing the socket with my hand while rattling the 1” and assisting the impact I could get another 10-30° of rotation while tightening. Also while loosening the stubborn 1 5/16” lug nuts, I found that grabbing the socket and rotating against the direction of the impact would help brake the stubborn nuts loose. Your hand will slip but just keep regrabing and turning against the direction of the impact seemed work every time.
I'm not so sure it's a fail if you learned something from it! Enjoy your videos, keep up the good work.
What about an adapter with a lever handle to add foece by hand while also getting the hammering from drill? Would need a mechanism to stop it from spinning from drill power.
Oh yeah hey have this type of thing to remove stuck/broken bolts. Could do the same thing in reverse no doubt.
You just need a 2 sided pass through rachet with a male to male adapter
@@nicholashollow9410 hmm interesting even a 90 degree bar welded onto an extension would work.
Awesome idea!
I understand the theory which counter to many perspectives is still sound. However using a drive adaptor and additional extension where the flywheel is situated removes the affect of the hammerstroke. Its stroke is too short to benefit by the frequency a rattle gun has. Like you said, an extension sometimes takes the grunt outa the rattle. As for having a great lump on the socket ? They can keep it . I have had to trim too many sockets to have an interest in storing those ungainly lumps; thanks [ lol ]
thinking the same!
Hahaha! You get those branches!
With the Torque Test Channel having done a test on adapters (reducing and enlarging), my guess would be that your reducer is losing you 20% of the impacts capacity and in turn creating loss before you can even see any benefits of the weighted adapter.
Weigh the weighted socket vs. the standard socket, then you'll have a better idea of how much to add. It may just be that for tight space efficiency that you'll just have to make your own set of weighted sockets based on the percentage of weight added in the weighted/unweighted comparison.
I definitely like the bottle with the magnets in it. I'm going take your brilliant advice on that one. I have an Ingersoll Rand 235 impact wrench that will actually break impact sockets. when I have it on the highest setting. I purchased it off the Snap On truck some years ago. when I was R&Ring transmissions, along with a special impact extension, that's half inch drive at one end and three eights drive at the other end. along with Snap On impact wobble sockets in SAE and metric. they were a nessesity at the time for what I was doing. I have yet to break any of them, but I don't operate the impact wrench on the highest setting when using them. I think that you definitely have the right idea with your experiment that you conducted. possibly a little larger diameter flywheel would help. I don't think it was a total fail, I believe that the weak link was the impact tool. they are just simply not powerful enough and don't have the hammering action suitable for the task. but I think that extension would be a good addition to a more powerful impact wrench. those extensions that Ingersoll Rand sells, I believe have a special metal that is added into the weighted part of them. that is considerably heavier than other metals. which might explain the astronomical cost. I just got thinking as I was texting this comment, maybe another scientific test you could run. would be to drill as many holes as you can, in the outer circumference of the extension. not towards the center but crossways, and melt some lead and fill all the holes, let it cool and harden and give it another test. but I still think the weak link is going to be those small impact wrenches. they great for light duty tasks and that is their nich area, where bolts are treaded deap and where there's a lot of bolts, they really speed up the process. I have been dragging my feet on getting one because of their lack of power. but more recently I have been thinking about getting one. to remove deap treaded and a lot of bolts for just that reason. I will just have to keep the Ingersoll Rand near by for breaking loose fasteners that they can't. this episode is really like you said, this is how scientists conduct their experiments to achieve their findings. a process of trial and error until they get it right.
oh yeah Ginger likes the side by side, it's perfect for her. she's definitely having a blast riding in it.
I'm guessing the reason they don't make a universal weight is that it's a tuned system. The weight has to be custom tailored for each socket in order to reach the resonant frequency required to increase torque. Picture pushing your kids on a swing. Each time you push, you push with the same amount of force, but the swing goes higher with each push. If you push at the wrong time (frequency), then the swing slows down. The custom weighted sockets are engineered to add the energy from each strike of the impact gun. If it isn't tuned properly, the weight will cancel the energy from the strikes of the impact gun.
I prefer the torque multiplier tool , when I’m out on the road , and the gun won’t remove the nut. I first crack the nuts with the multiplier, then use the gun.
Never been beat so far. One turn on the multiplier is roughly sixty four on the gun.
Yeah, it's hard to beat the torque multiplier.
The Florida pool pump motor bearing repair guy When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info . I wonder if LEAD could work ??? Seems like you're willing to spend time.
Beads of shotgun lead. in the outside holes, you drilled in it.
Totally green here, but could it be an idea to add some thick pipe to the extension in such a way that the socket is recessed in it?
My thinking is that it will add more mass closer to where it's used. On the other hand, I also assume that the mass needs to be in direct contact with the socket to actually deliver the torque at the right place.
Another idea for using such an adapter(with pipe extension), would be to pour in some molten lead, and re-melt after use. That way you could have one adapter that works with most pipes.
A bit of work/hassle, but also saves a fair bit of money.
Edit: Improved idea: An adapter made from pipe and made to fit over the socket with an opening for the connection and some kind of temporary connector to keep it tight and socket in right place. Fill with lead and remove the temporary connector afterwards.
Possible downsides: Might mess with tempering of socket, and socket might need to be scuffed (drilled dimples?) for the lead to sit tight, as it might be counter-productive if it's loose.
toss the flywheel version and maybe instead of a fat socket style you made a fat adapter style. That would give you the weight as well as more rigidity where you're loosing a percentage of your power. Envisioning an adapter about the same OD as the socket.
I love the way you think. That was my thoughts exactly and probably my next mock up.
Not every project is a win. Still interesting.
I think weighted sockets are stiffer than thin walled sockets, and are therefore more efficient transferring impact/torque. Adding a flywheel slows rotation (think pirouetting ice skater) and dampens the impact (and possibly amplifies elastic losses in the shaft and couplings because it is "pushing" longer, not harder). I suspect the type of thread and materials interacting in the thread will have something to do with whether impact shock or overall torque gets the job done. I get exhaust nuts off bolts that would otherwise shear, using an air impact gun.
Elsewhere on the internet people argue that the off the shelf flywheels are tuned to produce a certain harmonic in the shock transfer that is good for very high torque crankshaft bolts.
I watched thinwall chrome sockets beat impact sockets in torque tests so I don't know too much about the stiffer aspect. I actually didn't believe these things even worked until I saw independent torque tests.
Ginger is something else.
Torque is lost through EVERY connection. Regardless of the science behind torque sockets, when the torque is transferred back to the center of an item [the extension to socket connection] any torque multiplication is lost.
See this for testing various extensions - ruclips.net/video/XYavlJY_5Ks/видео.html&ab_channel=TorqueTestChannel
Yes, i watch these videos. A 3" extension lost 10% where they gained 40-50% with the IR socket. Their tests also showed a 15" single piece and a combined 15" adapter made of 3 extensions was virtually identical after. Few seconds of run time.
Talk about regression. Everyone in my trade ( technician) abandoned their air tools for heavier and less powerful battery tools. Now to try to get the same power they would have to buy new heavier sockets lol.
Very well said
Try welding the flywheel weight to a socket and retest?
Now I have a use for all the broken shards of rear earth magnets in a coke bottle. Thanks 👍
I bet your dog’s breathe is fresh after the rides lol.
the theory was good
Project farm should test this.
I would try like a weighted extension pretty much and make weight over the length of it to reduce flex during impact. Also that model of dewalt seems more reliant on speed of hammer and not as much the weight of the internal hammer at least in my experience I think that might be the problem you want one that won't lose momentum from the weight or one that is strong enough it won't matter. I like that mid torque but it's very fast for a wrench. If you think about it though the further the weight is from the center of mass the more it should add to the hammer but also the more it will increase load on the gun and recoil from the hammer. If you can keep it closer to center and increase weight you may have less of a bounce back effect and also an impact with a hard enough hit that it has more benefit then loss making a high rpm impact less suited. Also just noticed your using two adapters that is a lot of loss to overcome should be a single adapter the more connections the less your weight acts as a hammer and finding the right distance from center to get the right power to your hammer without draw back of rotational mass.
The problem as I see it is the weight you added isn’t going into the socket only the extension in the socket probably not being as effective as having more weight hitting on the nuts than the the impact wrench socket itself. I would say do some sort of spring loaded mechanism that pushes weight over the socket
Maybe some ball bearings and a channel for them to slam back and forth 🤔 the momentum of the balls may be enough to get what you need
The issue is the connection between the drill and the extension and the socket and the extension is absorbing some of the impact rather then the lugnut.
Flywheels are only effective after you get them moving. It takes more energy to get them moving and less energy to keep them moving. Having more mass on a socket should be counter productive. A bigger gun is the way to go. The GUN is the hammer not the socket.
Yes sir! Totally bogus. Lighter the better. Less extensions the better. Speak to the guys who have to change wheels on semi trucks. Maybe add weight to the hammers inside the impact? Flywheel is there to lower the torque pulses. When u get the nut to move u simultaneously have to accelerate the flywheel.
Theoretically the socket is a direct connection to the anvil which is being struck by the gun's hammer. So the lighter the anvil assembly the more it would move. That has been my thought process but I watched these weighted special sockets push the torque readings higher than standard sockets with independent tests.
@@sixtyfiveford Yup. That's because of instrumentation errors. The instrument was to slow to pick up the peak reading. To break a joint u have to overcome a peak only instantaneously. Once u have movement u ok. I know it's often then advisable to rock it back and forward. Key is that torque spikes difficult to measure. Testers were not aware of the shortcomings of their measuring device.
@@sixtyfiveford , the added weight's amount and distance from the axis has to be mathematically calculated, working with the hammer pressure. It would take a lot of experimenting otherwise. For the max, seems the hammer distance from its axis - effecting its timing - has to be calculated in too. Then the increased strain needs thicker bushings and casings.
Where's that cheater bar?
I agree with Moe, Ingersoll Rand sells these weighted extensions and sockets, that show an increase in torque under tests conducted, so there must be something to it. and being the owner of an Ingersoll Rand impact wrench. (one hell of an impact wrench by the way) I would tend to believe them.
Maybe if you can add shims to make the socket a tighter fit on the adapter you would lose less torque? Just a thought.
Make a lighted socket with holes in it now :D.
I think a clamp-on style would be better - assuming you put a flat on each socket to keep it from shifting with each blow.
I wonder if it would help to remove as much of the weight from the center of the flywheel as possible. Seems like it would reduce the spin up time and keep the outer/helpful weight.
Make a socket extension with some wings coming off to strike with a hammer while you use the impact?
Each socket connection dampens the impact force. Best bet would be to put the flywheel on the 1/2-3/4 adapter
Yes and no. I watched tests of a single 15" extension compared to 3 connections adding up to 15". The 3 connections was momentarily lower in torque but after a few seconds the end torque achieved was virtually identical between the two setups.
Ya I had seen them tested too and to me the way an impact works is a hammer and an anvil and adding anything to anything but the hammer should decrease performance if you can't get that weight spinning it should hurt performance and it's probably going to be hard to increase the weight of the hammers