Canon R5 vs. Sony a7r4 for WILDLIFE photography : Lenses, Features, & more

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    How does a Canon EOS R5 compare to a Sony a7R III or Sony a7R IV when taking photos of wildlife? Chelsea tests wildlife setups of varying prices to show which camera and lens combination is the best choice. Will the SOny's compact 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 measure up to Canon's new 800mm f/11? Will there be a difference between Canon and Sony's 600mm f/4 lenses? Most importantly, how well do the Canon R5s features and the Sony a7r4 features work while taking wildlife photos?
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  • @ta2020photography
    @ta2020photography 3 года назад +88

    Dear Chelsea every time you hit those awesome Lenses to the top of your trunk my heart broke a little. 😅

    • @alenbhaii
      @alenbhaii 3 года назад

      Mine too 😁

    • @JayR.Photos
      @JayR.Photos 3 года назад +1

      Sameeee ffs 🤦

    • @faisalee
      @faisalee 3 года назад +1

      I know right!!! What the hell, I won’t even touch my camera just to make sure I don’t smudge it with my fingerprints 😂

    • @garyrowe58
      @garyrowe58 3 года назад +3

      I loved that she always clunked the ~17k canon ;)

    • @MinorVoices
      @MinorVoices 3 года назад +2

      @@faisalee excuse me but how do you take picture without touching your camera?

  • @rwils6333
    @rwils6333 3 года назад +675

    Who counted how many time a lens was bumped transitioning out the trunk

    • @j.kimmer1509
      @j.kimmer1509 3 года назад +32

      product bump test; pass..................for the car. Didn't edit it out and retake.... love the honesty and the humor.

    • @KyrosX27
      @KyrosX27 3 года назад +22

      "...the Canon Eos R5-" *bonk*

    • @vie-vie
      @vie-vie 3 года назад +29

      haha yeah with every bump KEH squeezed their buttocks

    • @vedranb87
      @vedranb87 3 года назад +3

      I counted 3 :D
      Not sure if I missed anything.

    • @filipposg
      @filipposg 3 года назад +7

      Strange that they didn't crop the bumps out of the clip!

  • @juniorkohhc
    @juniorkohhc 3 года назад +86

    Chelsea keeps hitting big expensive lens onto the car!!!

  • @rlpring78
    @rlpring78 3 года назад +65

    A7R4 is a great camera! Resolution-galore and cropping mode. It’s not even close to an A9 or A9II for sports and wildlife. 20FPS w/ no blackouts! C’mon now! 😛😛😛

  • @malvinfuller
    @malvinfuller 3 года назад +80

    Really thought Chelsea might also bonk a lens into a tree at one point 😆

  • @schangoDoobie
    @schangoDoobie 3 года назад +19

    “Let’s go grab that Canon R5”
    *smacks the shit out of it

  • @DMVimages301
    @DMVimages301 3 года назад +70

    I think the A9 or A9ll is better for wildlife when it comes to Sony.

    • @NM-bs4ck
      @NM-bs4ck 3 года назад +6

      Or the soon to be released A9 III or A9r

    • @michapiotrstankiewicz1504
      @michapiotrstankiewicz1504 3 года назад +2

      I think they are cropping all the wildlife pictures, and a9II does not have that big resolution.

    • @QUINPANO
      @QUINPANO 3 года назад

      I think this a test between the high resolution cameras in the line ups. With the crop mode you can also get extra reach and maintain a high pixel count to crop even further

    • @kenyonandchris
      @kenyonandchris 3 года назад

      Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. I have an A7III, not an A9. So I can't speak from personal experience. But it seems like a good option, and helps keep you in a single lens ecosystem.

    • @sctm81
      @sctm81 3 года назад

      A9 more for mammals, a7R4 for birds. One needs high ISO performance for black bears at dawn, one needs high res for extra cropability.

  • @RockyMaiviaMiami
    @RockyMaiviaMiami 3 года назад +7

    My favorite trick for my R5/R6 is setting my control ring to focus point. I go from wide to zone to single point in a twist and with my other hand 🙌

  • @Mamo878
    @Mamo878 3 года назад +57

    Um, I think one mention of KEH is enough.
    But maybe that's just me.

    • @davidho2977
      @davidho2977 3 года назад

      The 5% bonus either way is a good deal.

    • @texasslingleadsomtingwong8751
      @texasslingleadsomtingwong8751 3 года назад +1

      80 grand in the trunk , someone has to pay the bills .

    • @touringband
      @touringband 3 года назад

      It’s a free video for you. Do you work for free?

  • @daran0815
    @daran0815 3 года назад +3

    When shooting wildlife with the A7R4 you really want to enable compressed RAWs. Yes that is lossy, but no, it doesn't matter for daytime action. That way you get double the buffer, way faster buffer clearing and, most importantly, the full advertised speed (Hi = 8fps with or Hi+ = 10fps without life view update). I use Hi+ in short bursts and rarely run into buffer issues.

    • @daran0815
      @daran0815 3 года назад

      @@markrigg6623 I'd be curious to see a sample of this mattering for an otherwise decent wildlife shot. You may see artifacts in very dark areas next to very bright pixels. E.g. a dark bird against a bright sky. Which would look rubbish, anyway? Hasn't happen to me and either way I'm sure I'm getting much more benefit from the faster capture rate.

  • @SIEMSOPHATPS
    @SIEMSOPHATPS 2 года назад

    Amazing video, well-done !

  • @novelty_guy
    @novelty_guy 3 года назад +11

    1 shot of vodka every time Chelsea bumps a lens.

    • @chevypowertogo-9070
      @chevypowertogo-9070 3 года назад

      YESSSSSSSSSS No Respect No Respect..Easy Come Easy Go $$$$$
      Fans Are Also Their Multi Billion Dollar Customers Just look at the home we Fans Bought Them? LOL

  • @rlpring78
    @rlpring78 3 года назад +97

    Where’s the mighty A9II?

    • @77dris
      @77dris 3 года назад +7

      People have compared and said the R5 is better in most ways.

    • @kai_dek
      @kai_dek 3 года назад +32

      She should have used the a9ii instead of the a7r iv

    • @Rascallucci
      @Rascallucci 3 года назад +4

      I think the issue is Sony comes out with too many camera models for doing different things. While no doubt the A9 II is better in BIF, it isn't better in resolution as the A7R IV. Canon, on the other hand, tries to incorporate everything into one camera, namely resolution, AF and frame rate all in one. But, amongst many Sony wildlife pros, if they had to pick one between the A9/A9 II or the A7R IV, many tend to prefer the A7R IV over the A9/A9 II.

    • @lawaynekimbro8179
      @lawaynekimbro8179 3 года назад +21

      @@Ytytfytfujbyddutrxrt the pixel density means nothing if you can’t capture the shot cleanly...and I’ll take an A9ii over the A7R4 any day when it comes to fast action

    • @shankhanilsarkar2161
      @shankhanilsarkar2161 3 года назад +1

      @@kai_dek No, R5 vs a7r iv is ok. Because Canon will bring their top of the line R1 next year. Then, Canon R1 vs a9 mark ii will be more sensible.

  • @80-80.
    @80-80. 3 года назад +28

    These claims about switching system are just ridiculous. We all know that they are going to switch back and forth for each new camera model. They will of course keep the best lenses and cameras of both systems.

    • @anthonyc1883
      @anthonyc1883 3 года назад +1

      The Next Big Thing is always right around the corner in this hypermarket we're in, and then it's "Time to switch?!?" all over again. Insane.

    • @viperstinger77
      @viperstinger77 3 года назад

      It's not ridiculous when you have the money to burn who care they are not brand loyal and these guys has money to burn

    • @jnieve9350
      @jnieve9350 3 года назад +1

      Better than illogical sense of brand loyalty and staying with only one system, and completely ignoring everything else other brands are producing and innovating? They're yotubers who are expected by their viewers (who use a huge range pf gear across brands) to provide reviews and experiences of ALL brands. So why shouldn't they switch brands? They're not the typical off the street average joe consumers.

  • @steved5683
    @steved5683 3 года назад

    Was you using back button focus on the sony camera while tracking the birds in flight?Iam interested in the 600mm 5.6-6.3 lens.

  • @tristanwilhelm9600
    @tristanwilhelm9600 3 года назад +51

    Good video but where can I sell my used gear? Would be awesome if you could suggest a place

    • @benkotowicz174
      @benkotowicz174 3 года назад +3

      eBay

    • @filton12
      @filton12 3 года назад +2

      It's a mystery.

    • @Dangit-Dave
      @Dangit-Dave 3 года назад +1

      Yeah maybe if you ask KEH they can help you out

    • @isaacfeinberg4623
      @isaacfeinberg4623 3 года назад +1

      MPB

    • @veneratedmortal4369
      @veneratedmortal4369 3 года назад +1

      You can't, it's worthless. However, just mail it to myhouse in countryoverhere and I'll deal with it.

  • @liamdoran2149
    @liamdoran2149 3 года назад +47

    The blackout issue is a bummer...its why I shoot he the a9II for my wildlife and action ...of corse you do loose the megapixels but thats not much of an issue for me...thanks for the vid!

    • @Blank_Immortal
      @Blank_Immortal 3 года назад +10

      The A7RVI only experiences blackout at full 10fps, you can drop it down to 8fps and you lose the blackout. Personally I feel that the 2 fps difference is minor compared to missing shots because of blackout. Of course those are just advertised numbers, I would say it is closer to 7fps with compressed raws.
      * I 100% agree though, if you are doing wildlife the a9 II is the way to go. Sure you lose the massive 61MP, but there is no use in high MP if you can't get the ideal shot in the first place.

    • @btjjets571
      @btjjets571 3 года назад +9

      Yes I think A9II is good for photographing moving objects. A7R versions are good for still images.

    • @donaldstuckey9096
      @donaldstuckey9096 3 года назад +3

      You make a great point The Sony's R series cameras will never design for the kind of quick shooting and tracking that she's trying to do at least in this video. They will design for high resolution shooting. Portraits, landscapes still and slow-moving subjects. The a9 series was designed for these kind of quick moving and erratic subjects. The autofocus system even in the original a9 we're designed to better focus and track fast-moving and erratic subjects

    • @RonBesse
      @RonBesse 3 года назад +5

      Yeah, it's called use the right tool for the job. The a9's were designed for action shots. A7r's are for landscape or great details and cropping.
      I have the 200-600 mm, and the 1.4x multipler, and they work great on the a7riii and a7iii. Yeah, there is always going to be something better, but that comes down to being a better photographer, than just spray and pray.
      Also, I'm not going to loose thousands of dollars to KEH, to switch to another line when every year or two, camera bodies change or firmware updates fix the previous issues.

    • @philindeblanc
      @philindeblanc 3 года назад +3

      I passed on the A7R4 for not having multiple raw sizes. pretty lame to be stuck at 61mp as an only option for raw!wtflop Sony!??

  • @tc6912
    @tc6912 3 года назад +3

    You left us hanging. My understanding is that the D850/600 is still your weapon of choice for wildlife. Your ability to include the overall feel of the experience with the camera is important and many reviewers just look at the specs. Bottom line, which setup do you enjoy using more and which setup gives you the best photos?

  • @michaelmanphotography5013
    @michaelmanphotography5013 3 года назад

    Excellent job!

  • @Steaky78
    @Steaky78 3 года назад +9

    Why use the A7R4 when the A9 is the camera meant for this and that won’t be laggy at all.

  • @sctm81
    @sctm81 3 года назад +132

    I cant believe how you just drove around with $60k worth of equipment in your trunk that wasnt even stored properly 😂😂😂

    • @Tinfoilnation
      @Tinfoilnation 3 года назад +19

      You saw only how they were displayed for the video, not how they were stored. This should have been obvious given that every one of those big f/4s comes with a hard shell case.

    • @sctm81
      @sctm81 3 года назад +5

      @@Tinfoilnation no, I think she actually drove around with them unsecured like that. I'd be concerned for my lens mount above all 😂

    • @venom5809
      @venom5809 3 года назад +7

      You can't seriously believe they drove around like that, come on man 🤦‍♂️

    • @sctm81
      @sctm81 3 года назад +1

      @@venom5809 well, that's what the video showed. Her driving into the garage and then opening the trunk 🤣🤣🤣

    • @petrub27
      @petrub27 3 года назад

      this is worse than the verge how to build a computer video

  • @LoveStoryMedia
    @LoveStoryMedia 3 года назад +9

    I'm curious what type of cards were giving such a poor burst performance on the A7r IV. Did you try the Sony Tough cards?

    • @sohamvyawahare9872
      @sohamvyawahare9872 3 года назад +1

      True. The Sony cameras showcased here are highly underperforming. Other reviewers have talked highly of Sony A7R4.

    • @jean-phil
      @jean-phil 3 года назад

      I tend to agree, I was disappointed at first with my a7riv then I switched to a faster sd card (sony tough) and it's way better ... but I imagine she knows all that

  • @kore996
    @kore996 3 года назад +2

    I just want to say THANK YOU! for taking the time to do these types of videos. Does all the info from the R5 apply to the R6 (other than dynamic range and megapixels)?

  • @kennethlui2268
    @kennethlui2268 3 года назад +35

    Whenever I saw she bumped the big lens, my heart sunk.

    • @nordic5490
      @nordic5490 3 года назад +3

      If a lens cannot handle a small bump, it is junk.

    • @kennethlui2268
      @kennethlui2268 3 года назад +4

      @@nordic5490 I don’t want to bump my $13,000 lens .

    • @ramimxss
      @ramimxss 3 года назад +1

      @@kennethlui2268 but your 13k lens won't be destroyed by a small bump

    • @kennethlui2268
      @kennethlui2268 3 года назад +4

      @@ramimxss I know that, but I don’t want any dent or scratch. I would put lens coat on it.

    • @FairlyUnknown
      @FairlyUnknown 3 года назад +2

      @@kennethlui2268 You should be more concerned that she's bumping it into a $100,000 car then :p Much more valuable than the lens

  • @alfvincent
    @alfvincent 3 года назад +8

    What about testing the R5 against the Sony A9ii on speed and blackout which would be the correct camera to test against.

    • @JC-XL
      @JC-XL 3 года назад

      Exactly. She got the A7R IV and is complaining about the framerate.

  • @joelebosi6168
    @joelebosi6168 3 года назад +5

    my heart beats out of sync everytime chelsea knocks the lens! lol!

  • @matthewjeffres1289
    @matthewjeffres1289 3 года назад

    Chelsea, wonderful video. I would enjoy seeing more HOW TO WILDLIFE videos in the future. Again wonderful video.

  • @Olafleflibustier
    @Olafleflibustier 3 года назад

    Woow great stuff !!

  • @krranjit
    @krranjit 3 года назад +28

    After watching so many reviews and videos finally I Got Fujifilm xt3😂😂😂

    • @SteveMillerhuntingforfood
      @SteveMillerhuntingforfood 3 года назад +3

      And I went back to shooting film on vintage cameras and lenses.

    • @pauloviegas7957
      @pauloviegas7957 3 года назад +2

      I built a pin-hole camera out of a shoe box :-D

    • @bakaXY
      @bakaXY 3 года назад +3

      I got into cave paintings...hands down the best way to document wildlife

    • @Flanan
      @Flanan 3 года назад +2

      @@bakaXY lol!!!

  • @dwengyimah
    @dwengyimah 3 года назад +12

    With those lenses people would think your trying to get photos of alien life

  • @Theshaileshsaraf
    @Theshaileshsaraf 3 года назад

    Hi Chelsea! How’s the sharpness on the Sony 200-600 mm lens without the tele converter? I was actually considering buying one but I don’t see the point if the sharpness is as bad as shown in your video even without the tele convertor

  • @phelix920
    @phelix920 3 года назад

    👍🏾👏🏾👋🏾😀Thanks to you guys for the helpful video and a special shoutout for rocking that BMW 840! Man that car is sick. Phelix

  • @allenpoulson6203
    @allenpoulson6203 3 года назад +23

    Should have compared it with the A9 or the A9Ii and you wouldn’t have missed your shots, had the buffer problem or had any blackout. You seem to be comparing things to get the answers that you want - perhaps to support your future move to Canon?

    • @Tzadeck
      @Tzadeck 3 года назад +1

      Wasn't this a high megapixel comparison? High mega pixel cameras are nice for wildlife since even with those huge lenses you end up having to do some pretty serious cropping.

    • @geoffn8963
      @geoffn8963 3 года назад +1

      Agreed...I own all three of the cameras in the video and an A9II and the A9II trounces all of them (with the R5 in a close second)...why one would bring the A7RIV into this comparison at all is beyond me??

    • @trippalhealicks
      @trippalhealicks 3 года назад

      Agreed. Confirmation bias.

    • @trippalhealicks
      @trippalhealicks 3 года назад

      @@aceflibble I own the a7riv and have owned the a9ii for a brief period. I will agree that the a7RIV does provide more detail, but the images coming from the a9II are far sharper for birds shot at a reasonable range. Some of the prints I've done were shot with the a9II, and heavily cropped. They look incredible.

  • @waseembessada7390
    @waseembessada7390 3 года назад +6

    11:06 I swear my heart dropped for a solid second.

    • @EagerSnake
      @EagerSnake 3 года назад +5

      It just tells you how little they care haha. I really like their content, some more, some less, but this video, she was like, I don't give a single f&&= about these lenses and cameras. It was almost unwatchable. I handle my equipment like if it's plutonium.

  • @terrylarkin690
    @terrylarkin690 3 года назад +1

    One other thing here I didn't mention was the fact that I also bought the A9 to use with my 200-600 and the A9 is fantastic no blackouts there. It's fast and quiet I actually turned the shuttle sound back on because it's crazy fast and if you can't here it and the fact that you don't run out of ammunition you will have to many shots delete if you forget to get off the trigger. When I was the Navy as a photographer it would of been fantastic to be able to shoot like we do now. I was on the USS TICONDEROGA CVS14 for the recovery of Apollo 16 and 17 the last two manned Moon Missions. We got great photos but we were obviously limited to how much film and other factors that digital has virtually eliminated.

  • @barryobrien1890
    @barryobrien1890 3 года назад +2

    Great review. Nice to see that the d850 holds up so well. The 800mm with r5 is a nice option for good light. Lots of new stuff coming out in 2021 so mirrorless is definitely the way to go when the battery life and Dr improvements come. The glass is really what's critical as it's so expensive.

  • @PunjabiGymBeats
    @PunjabiGymBeats 3 года назад +10

    You have luxury to choose but for us our t3i is everything sports,wildlife,landscape,portrait camera.

    • @monkeywizard77
      @monkeywizard77 3 года назад +1

      I feel ya brother. I've been rocking a T1i until just a few months ago.

    • @PunjabiGymBeats
      @PunjabiGymBeats 3 года назад

      @@monkeywizard77 if you get paid for doing photography then full frame is worth to buy if not then any beginner dslr is enough for take photos.

  • @chasingluminance
    @chasingluminance 3 года назад +15

    Why use landscape and portrait cameras for wildlife? A92 vs 1dx3 vs d6

  • @wildbunch9978
    @wildbunch9978 3 года назад

    Thanks for this video, seeing all these issues, i'm sticking to my dslr and look forward to the new K-3 III

  • @AstroLaVista
    @AstroLaVista 3 года назад +1

    Very glamorous! I often do the budget version of this and remove my Nikon V1 with 30-110mm from the trunk/boot of my car.

  • @OldVideoPutz
    @OldVideoPutz 3 года назад +8

    I had the money to spend this year, and thought long and hard between the A7rIV and the R5. I waited until I could try the R5 out at a store demo, and I rented the A7rIV the same week. I went with the R5, and couldn't be happier. Yes, the dynamic range is better with the Sony, but it's good with the Canon, and they fixed the issue with banding in low light. The camera is just so much more usable, and seconds can matter when you're in a live situation. The 20 fps and excellent EVF really make a difference, and it's almost impossible to fill the buffer. I set one of my back buttons to toggle between the different focus modes without taking my eye from the viewfinder. I also eliminated a few of the focus options since there were actually too many. I watched every Tony and Chelsea video on the subject at the time of purchase, and they were all a huge help in my decision. This video cements my belief that i made the right choice. I'm currently using a Sigma150-600mm for wildlife, but I plan on getting the 800mm Canon too. Thanks again.

  • @heybrook819
    @heybrook819 3 года назад +40

    Why don’t you use a9ii for blackout free and high frame rate?

    • @HappyHubris
      @HappyHubris 3 года назад +4

      They seem to gravitate towards the high-MP bodies to crop in on wildlife.

    • @andrewyeates7717
      @andrewyeates7717 3 года назад +16

      Because she is just looking for any excuse to switch to the Canon setup. Sure she even says at the end, find out in next video if i switch from Sony to Canon. Eh I thought you used the nikon for wildlife love

    • @Tinfoilnation
      @Tinfoilnation 3 года назад +1

      Because it was a comparison between two high-megapixel cameras. Hello?

    • @Neopulse00
      @Neopulse00 3 года назад

      @@andrewyeates7717 I think this video was made before and just got recently uploaded. They mentioned once or twice that they had videos they still haven't gotten down to editing. This seems like one of them.

  • @hongk0ngfu3y
    @hongk0ngfu3y 3 года назад +1

    hows the canon 100-500mm compare? is there enough res in the a9ii to use that instead of the a7r4, no blackout and 20fps

    • @nordic5490
      @nordic5490 3 года назад

      a9ii is only 24mp. Heavy cropping in is nearly always necessary for birding

  • @davidligon6088
    @davidligon6088 2 года назад +1

    The biggest issue with this review is that Chelsea does not know how to set up a Sony camera for wildlife. In fairness this is just as much a result of Sony’s quirkiness as much as Chelsea’s lack of knowledge about those quirks. 1) set the AF-C to HI, not HI+ to prevent blackout. 2) make sure the EVF quality is set to Standard and refresh rate is set to high to get the best wildlife viewing experience on this camera, 3) For high speed action, don’t shoot in silent mode. You will get image tearing due to Sony’s slow scan-out. 4) if you are shooting still subjects like the squirrel, use expand flexible spot tracking unless the squirrel is the closest thing in the center of the viewport. there is no squirrel Eye AF on Sony. 5) I consistently get 8fps using Uncompressed RAW with my A7RIV, but there are a number of settings that will reduce frame rate on Sony. 6) no question the R5 has faster scan-out and better subject acquisition and tracking than the Sony A7RIV. Most Sony users had hoped they would update the A7RIV firmware to include Bird Eye AF. There was a perfect opportunity to do that with the A7RIVA launch, but it does not look like that will happen.

  • @larsrosing5033
    @larsrosing5033 3 года назад +18

    Man, you bump those lenses constantly, and that nice BMW! 😁
    Isn't there a batt grip for that R5?? Use that!

    • @airdailyx
      @airdailyx 3 года назад +2

      They were seriously hoping you noticed the BMW. Hey look at our ridiculous car. 🤦‍♀️

  • @desertoo23
    @desertoo23 3 года назад +4

    Nice video! I'd suggest Mark smith's channel who uses the same combo Sony a7RIV + 600mm f4 and he nails shots like crazy :) He's got his hands on the Canon R5 now.

  • @LangDu21
    @LangDu21 3 года назад +2

    “I babied my gears” 😂😂😂

  • @Tombusson
    @Tombusson 3 года назад +1

    Oh my god! I feel bad when I forget my phone in the car and you just let these things in your trunk without worrying XD

  • @fernandosaavedra537
    @fernandosaavedra537 3 года назад +4

    Every Time You Bumped the lens had me like 😮😅

  • @justinweeks6608
    @justinweeks6608 3 года назад +147

    Hits the lens on the way out the trunk lol

    • @malmedia
      @malmedia 3 года назад +5

      Sooo many times. I think it was mostly just the hood, but still. :)

    • @vie-vie
      @vie-vie 3 года назад +5

      haha yeah with every bump KEH squeezed their buttocks

    • @MichaelRockfez
      @MichaelRockfez 3 года назад +1

      17:51 no caps on those

    • @pepelepew4117
      @pepelepew4117 3 года назад +4

      Yeah I was cringing everytime she did that!

    • @sctm81
      @sctm81 3 года назад

      I thought the same thing.

  • @AlexVisualMoments96
    @AlexVisualMoments96 2 года назад

    hiya chelsea great video as always and hope u have came to a decision yet im not a pro but a very passionate severely sight impaired/blind photographer from uk i currently have a nikon z7 with ftz adapter but alsso the 24-200 but currentky looking for a wildlife lens either deciding to wait but at moment not many lenses for wildlife and nikon mirrorless so thinking of maybe swapping to what not sure was considering the sony range with the monster 200-600 but then also looking at either the lumix g9 with 100-400 fuji x-s10 with 0-300 and 2x converter equivalent is 920mm or go for canon but which one not sure have tried rp before but bit low budget may look at r6 can u helps thanks

  • @mybetterfilms
    @mybetterfilms 3 года назад

    which lens is good for soccer games MLS at a stadium? I might get a press pass and get close to the field

  • @jimtipton8888
    @jimtipton8888 3 года назад +3

    Great video, thanks! I'm going to keep riding the 90D and the 100-400 II till the R7 comes out and re-evaluate then. The R is like the Sony. View lag. Not great for moving subjects.

  • @juhva
    @juhva 3 года назад +30

    Please test the 800mm vs 200-600mm with some beginner and check how easy it is for them to find flying bird with that fixed 800mm. Good luck.

    • @TagTeamDream
      @TagTeamDream 3 года назад +9

      From my experience f11 is rarely used in wildlife. Most wildlife experience happens in low light scenarios so the f11 would be near impossible for most real world situations unless you take photos in the middle of the day with bad lighting

    • @sctm81
      @sctm81 3 года назад

      Lol. Give them a crop sensor as well together with it 🤣

    • @FrankTaeger2021
      @FrankTaeger2021 3 года назад

      Make it manual focus, Too.

    • @TagTeamDream
      @TagTeamDream 3 года назад

      @@markrigg6623 depends on which bird. I mostly photograph owls. And its almost always low light situations unless its in a tree sleeping.

    • @TagTeamDream
      @TagTeamDream 3 года назад +3

      @@markrigg6623 only for bif though. If you want it as an all around lens for all around wildlife f11 is just not good. Yeah its cheap but 2k for the 200-600mm isn't bad.

  • @azarepal
    @azarepal 3 года назад

    I use for wildlife the Sony A7 III & 200-600mm and mine, this combination is nearly perfect. Very good autofocus speed (also with 1,4 TC), image quality... I love it.

  • @gregkarris6869
    @gregkarris6869 3 года назад

    So, do the Sony A7's EVF have blackout problems? My cheap used A6000 hardly blacks out while shooting action and tracking objects is easy...

  • @gkochanowsky
    @gkochanowsky 3 года назад +9

    "Got the last one....", as she bangs it against the trunk body. OUCH!

  • @jochenretter
    @jochenretter 3 года назад +10

    The-Digital-Picture says that the Sony 200-600mm (even with a 1.4TC on a A7RIII) ist way sharper than the Canon 800 f11 on a R5.

    • @TonyAndChelsea
      @TonyAndChelsea  3 года назад +3

      Perhaps in a studio setting, but our test was real world, handheld, factoring in focusing accuracy and stabilization.

    • @gordonvanbiljon5517
      @gordonvanbiljon5517 3 года назад +4

      Chelsea also had the Sony at a lower shutter speed even though a teleconverter was used to expand the range to 800mm. That will influence the sharpness.

    • @nordic5490
      @nordic5490 3 года назад

      @@gordonvanbiljon5517 the 200-600 plus 1.4tc = $3000 usd, vs the 800mm f11 @ $900 usd.
      The 800mm f11 is great value for money, and is very light.

    • @mcunner
      @mcunner 3 года назад

      @@nordic5490 great lens for candid photos.

    • @PavelR2
      @PavelR2 3 года назад

      @@nordic5490 200-600 is far more versatile (sports, lower light situations) and w/o TC IQ is visibly better.

  • @SergioCruzEvents
    @SergioCruzEvents 3 года назад

    How fast and what cards were you using?

  • @jimpenn7628
    @jimpenn7628 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for the review Chelsea. On the a7riv with the 600mm GM, did you try IBIS off for the in-flight creatures? That would make a huge difference. If you set ss at 1/2000 an IBIS off, you should do much better.

  • @sctm81
    @sctm81 3 года назад +9

    "Well they're still in there, so that's a good thing" -
    that's exactly what I think whenever coming back to my car having left equipment inside 🤣

    • @davidho2977
      @davidho2977 3 года назад

      The gear was out of sight in the trunk, but still you have to wonder.

    • @sctm81
      @sctm81 3 года назад

      @@davidho2977 it's always out of sight. Any smart person would not leave them in sight. But still, there can always be random break ins. I try not to leave thousands of $$$$ of equipment in my trunk unless absolutley necessary.

  • @sosomelodies659
    @sosomelodies659 3 года назад +21

    Just watch Mark Smith and his A7RIV for bird photography. All you need to know.

    • @joergschweizer8639
      @joergschweizer8639 3 года назад +1

      He knows how to use gear! Not really sure what she is trying to proove?!

  • @StellaandPeteyBulldogs
    @StellaandPeteyBulldogs 3 года назад

    Im so torn. Im making the leap to mirrorless, but dont know what to do. Video is not a concern for me, but I'm looking for the best reliable body. R5 or Sony A7Riv....ugh. So mnay different opinions. Im already a Canon user so i'm thinking the transition would be easier, and the Sony looks like a much larger learning curve and not sure if its as easy as the Conon. ANyone have this same dilemma? What did you do? Is the Sony easy to navigate on the go?

    • @zegzbrutal
      @zegzbrutal Год назад

      Other than weight&size of adapting EF on R5. R5 is perfect for wildlife photographers.

  • @darshanmehta1449
    @darshanmehta1449 3 года назад

    Hi Tony and Chelsea
    Great Video
    i use a A7r3 at the moment and i use this for all kinds of photography. Last 6 months i have started with Birds in Flight photograph.
    I have a question
    I am looking to buy a second camera since i want to have 2 bodies allowing me to put on different lens on the different bodies to be able to gather more images and not miss any situation. ALSO the aim is to increase focus speed for my Bird photography. I am confused on whether to get the A7r4 or A9 as my second camera.
    I use a 100-400mm lens since i am more comfortable with its weight rather than a 200-600
    So if i want to do BIF photography should i get a a7r4 or a9
    A9 is known to be a fast focus camera with more images per second - but A7r4 also has a high speed focus compared to a7r3
    i was tilting to a7r4 since i can do a lot of cropping without without losing image quality ( i am into print photography) - considering the shorter focal length lens (100-400)
    What are your thoughts ? and for what reason ?
    I will appreciate your guidance
    Have a great day

  • @karthikkn78
    @karthikkn78 3 года назад +17

    Who came straight to comments as soon as she bumped the 600 to the trunk !!

  • @MrSilverback62
    @MrSilverback62 3 года назад +6

    Your seamless transitions to KEH commercials reminded of Gracie Allen's seamless transitions to Carnation Evaporated Milk commercials.

    • @tjenakompis
      @tjenakompis 2 года назад

      I kept thinking of Truman Show

  • @HappyHubris
    @HappyHubris 3 года назад +1

    Just picked up an A7R3. Happily 3 years behind!

  • @rentoulzz
    @rentoulzz 3 года назад

    Thanks for the video. I have the R5 with the 100-500 fantastic. the video is great to see the comparissons.

  • @gregsilver
    @gregsilver 3 года назад +6

    Budget: Sony RX10 IV
    No Budget: Nikon D850 + AF-S NIKKOR 180-400mm f/4E TC1.4 FL ED

    • @rogergregston6491
      @rogergregston6491 3 года назад +4

      Love my RX10 IV! T&C won’t acknowledge it (likely due to small sensor).

    • @gregsilver
      @gregsilver 3 года назад

      @@rogergregston6491 love mine too. Agreed - many underestimate the stunning quality. I don't even see it as a 1" sensor. I just see the beautiful images it takes.

    • @HappyHubris
      @HappyHubris 3 года назад +2

      Yeah I've rented both the RX10IV and crop bodies with big lenses for wildlife. The RX10 falls apart with low light, but having a small body and huge zoom range is way more pleasant to carry around.
      I'd likely rent it for a vacation with wildlife over a giant lens that would be frustrating to schlep around. Hopefully Sony comes out with an RX10V with the newer AF modes and a fast card slot.

    • @RonBesse
      @RonBesse 3 года назад +1

      @@rogergregston6491 I shot our Disney vacation with the RX10 iii. At the time, I had a A7rii, and a7ii, a6500 before getting an a7riii, and a7iii. I still would take the RX10 iii or get a RX10iv. The stills and video were amazing even the fireworks over the castle at night.
      I also have that big ass 200-600 mm and the 1.4x multiplier. It's sharp and would be cool at AirVenture, but no way several days all day swinging that thing compared to the RX10's.
      In the light she was shooting?
      That RX10 iii or iv would have only been out done by an a9/a9ii for most people.
      If you're shooting for National Geographic, then yeah.

    • @rogergregston6491
      @rogergregston6491 3 года назад +1

      What. could Sony improve for an RX10 V (if they ever make one)? IBIS? Internal ND filter?? Longer lens??? Faster card compatibility????
      Not much else comes to mind.

  • @thinkingape7655
    @thinkingape7655 3 года назад +19

    Sony a6600 with the 70-350mm G, seems like an actual contender here.

    • @HappyHubris
      @HappyHubris 3 года назад +2

      That's only 525mm equivalent, doesn't have high resolution to crop in on wildlife, horrible rolling shutter, one card slot, and the buffer clears sooooo slowly.
      with a partial-speed UHS-1 port. Source: I tried the 70-350mm on the A6400. It's a nice lens, but Sony really needs to refresh it's APSC lineup.

    • @gosman949
      @gosman949 3 года назад

      @@HappyHubris its that BMW car she has! Low ceiling on the trunk. Where do they get all their money?

    • @hiawrj
      @hiawrj 3 года назад +2

      @@gosman949 RUclips ad money, Affiliate links, sponsorships, books they make. Welcome to the internet :)

    • @joelbenford9327
      @joelbenford9327 3 года назад

      @@hiawrj I have a feeling they also do photography on a successful professional footing

    • @hiawrj
      @hiawrj 3 года назад

      @@joelbenford9327 You think so? Maybe they used to, but not any longer I think. There is so much money in ads currently.

  • @shyfish0225
    @shyfish0225 3 года назад

    Loved the sunburst in the KEH promo bit!

  • @hid_aves
    @hid_aves Год назад

    Question anyone. I am a beginner to wildlife, i can't afford a pricey camera. My option is a7r ii. Is that camera still good for learn wildlife combo with 200 600? Thank you

  • @TechVidGuy
    @TechVidGuy 3 года назад +3

    I have the 200-600 Sony. In my experience if you have the wrong stabilization mode active it can actually introduce blur in your images. If you’re shooting fast enough, you’re better off turning it off completely. Also, the A7RIV really isn’t the best option for long bursts. I personally would have liked to see the A9 in this comparison instead.

    • @TonyAndChelsea
      @TonyAndChelsea  3 года назад

      We love the a9 but it just can't hang when it comes to details.

    • @TechVidGuy
      @TechVidGuy 3 года назад

      @@TonyAndChelsea True, I think the next A9 or even the A7IV will likely be more of an all around camera. With better resolution at higher FPS. It’ll be interesting to see the Sony response to Canon. Can’t wait for that comparison!

    • @sctm81
      @sctm81 3 года назад

      @@TonyAndChelsea seems like the high res bodies that make the most sense for bird photography. I'd argue though that for mammals with dark hides at dawn/dusk the single digit D series from Nikon or A9 series will give better result due to higher dynamic range at High ISO. I could imagine that many wildlife pros do have both type of bodies with them.

  • @rlpring78
    @rlpring78 3 года назад +10

    Can you please re-do this test with an A9 or A9II? I’m curious what your reaction will be when using the proper tool. 😛😝😜

    • @wilduntamedphotography1260
      @wilduntamedphotography1260 3 года назад +2

      Yepp, the A7RIV was never meant to be a wildlife camera, it's more for architecture, portraits and landscape. For my wildlife pics I always use my A9II with my 600mm F4 - Awesome combo! I have both cameras, so I think I am allowed to say that ...

    • @Davitor1
      @Davitor1 3 года назад

      @@wilduntamedphotography1260 yes, A7r4 sadly it’s not an all around camera. Bummer.

    • @justinholding02
      @justinholding02 3 года назад +1

      It proves how versatile the R5 is tbough 😉

    • @wilduntamedphotography1260
      @wilduntamedphotography1260 3 года назад +1

      @@justinholding02 yepp, but as wildlife cam I would always prefer the A9ii

    • @justinholding02
      @justinholding02 3 года назад

      @@wilduntamedphotography1260 i wouldn't. Much sharper images on the R5, autofocus is on par and the buffer clears a lot more quickly

  • @filipposg
    @filipposg 3 года назад

    Nice cheerful ending! Ultimately that's what made me click the like button! 🤣😁

  • @FarHagh
    @FarHagh 3 года назад +25

    Every single time that Chelsea picked a lens, it hit the trunk! Wrong lenses, or wrong car for you?!

    • @141824
      @141824 3 года назад +5

      That's what happens when Chelsea pretends to be the wildlife photographer! Then she opens her mouth and we hear all Tony's words... come on Chelsea, let the poor guy do his job!

  • @QUINPANO
    @QUINPANO 3 года назад +5

    The 200-600 is on sale and with a student discount it's only 1600 from BH. Also just purchased an a7riv with the same discount for $2,475. Throw in the BH credit card and you don't even pay taxes :)

  • @WrongEnd
    @WrongEnd 3 года назад

    Z5 or eos rp or a7 ii ? Please help me decide anyone, im totally a beginner

  • @JohnPepp
    @JohnPepp 3 года назад +2

    No offense, but I have a Sony A9 with a 200-600 Lens sitting on a gimbal for BIF pictures. I have an A7R3 for higher resolution image. There are people who don't like handholding large lens while taking fast action wildlife images. Some very top wildlife photographers even use gimbals and tripods to get these kind of shots. Some of Chelsea's critiques on these lens is questionable as it is her way of doing photography.

  • @aussie8114
    @aussie8114 3 года назад +8

    D500 with a 500pf ✅

    • @garfieldirwin
      @garfieldirwin 3 года назад

      I prefer the D850, but you got the right idea!

    • @aussie8114
      @aussie8114 3 года назад +1

      @@garfieldirwin In some ways the D850 is the better choice but in other ways the D500 is the better one.

  • @Tinfoilnation
    @Tinfoilnation 3 года назад +3

    Uh - #7:57 you're getting 4 to 5 frames per second? I don't know what you're doing but... *You're Doing It Wrong* Edit: Ah - at 8:50 we discover what you're doing wrong :p You're shooting uncompressed raw. Turn on compression. There is no hit to quality and you'll immediately see the full ~10fps and increase your buffer depth by about half again (~60 shots)

    • @johnharvey1786
      @johnharvey1786 3 года назад

      Correct. I have the a7riv and get 10 FPS and I use compressed raw. However there is some lag due to the EVF which is annoying, so for birds in flights I use the the a9 which is much better for fast action. The a9 has no blackout and how it also acquires and sticks to birds in flight much better is great. Larger birds such as geese are ok with the a7riv and the blackout is minimal so it really depends on what you are shooting.

  • @josephtan4663
    @josephtan4663 3 года назад +2

    I really love that 840i Gran Coupe ❤

  • @tres837
    @tres837 3 года назад

    Great work

  • @joejoe4games
    @joejoe4games 3 года назад +13

    17:50
    $40 000 worth of lenses and not even a cap on the bajonett...

    • @peterebel7899
      @peterebel7899 3 года назад

      caps are for losers ;-)

    • @Justin-ny6un
      @Justin-ny6un 3 года назад +4

      No wonder he always complains about sensor dust (without even changing lenses) when they are sat there filling up with dust

    • @n3cph0en1x
      @n3cph0en1x 3 года назад +6

      They're buffoons, they making all of these (no cap, bumping, making bold statements, etc) to upset you, to watch more videos, to comment, subscribe, to stir the mess. This brings them views and therefore money. That's all about it. If you want to see professional reviews and comparisons, go to Gerald Undone, Dustin Abbott, and Mark Galer.

    • @hiawrj
      @hiawrj 3 года назад

      @@Justin-ny6un haha yea, I got zero dust issues :)

    • @julius4858
      @julius4858 3 года назад

      @@n3cph0en1x mad lol

  • @KaiTiura
    @KaiTiura 3 года назад +7

    My R5's no-blackout thing is great, as is animal-eye AF. I'm very happy with the camera overall. Probably a lot happier than the folks at the place that loaned you those lenses are about you slamming them into your trunk...😳

  • @ChristopherTradeshow
    @ChristopherTradeshow 3 года назад

    The video quality is almost TOO good. Feels like I'm standing there and you're talking directly to me 🤣

  • @RichFreeman
    @RichFreeman 3 года назад

    I just wanted to say that I'm glad you mentioned the 150-600mm lenses in your comparison. Nobody else mentions them in reviews and they're the elephant in the room with their low price.
    I'd really love to see a more head to head comparison with the f/11s and ~$3k zooms like the 100-500 and 200-600.

  • @tbgtom
    @tbgtom 3 года назад +4

    YIKES! I jumped every time you bumped the lenses on the car.

  • @lensofeli1762
    @lensofeli1762 3 года назад +7

    “i don’t really like mirrorless for wildlife”
    *5 minutes later*
    “one of the reasons why i love shooting mirrorless for wildlife is...”

  • @seabreezeof
    @seabreezeof 3 года назад +1

    Looking forward to see what the A9 III brings That will be my deciding factor between the CanonR5 & A9III Hopefully A9III with more MP & fast clearing buffer without disabling camera's functions.. It will also be interesting to see what a Pro R brings to the table in the future.

  • @mndoci
    @mndoci 3 года назад

    That was a fun one to watch. I do all my shooting on an R5 now with an RF 100-500 (sometimes with a 1.4x extender). One of these days I’ll have to try out the 800 f/11. The 600 .. some day.

  • @clemensweitzel3685
    @clemensweitzel3685 3 года назад +6

    2 weeks from now: I am selling my Sony
    10 weeks from now: Sony just released the rumored A9R/ IIII, I am selling my Canon and switching to Sony again

  • @atomikmaster1
    @atomikmaster1 3 года назад +24

    First you need to know how to use the lens and camera properly if tour investing over 10k worth of gear.
    Watch a real pro Sony shooter on both A7IV and A9 - Mark Smith he will show you how to set up the cameras settings properly. Not cowboy style who bashes lens and can't even transport this gear properly.
    Check Mark Smith on youtube he's a guru of wildlife photography also his story telling is on point 👌🏿📸

    • @jalilhosseini621
      @jalilhosseini621 3 года назад +4

      You just took the words out of my mouth. Mark has shown better image quality with the Sony a7IV and 200-600 mm kens then Chelsea did with the 600mm f4. and then she talks about blackouts, the A9 and A9II does NOT blackout....

    • @desertoo23
      @desertoo23 3 года назад +1

      @@jalilhosseini621 Fully agree

    • @stevecookphotography
      @stevecookphotography 3 года назад +1

      Yes, maybe she should take lessons from Mark Smith. For having 1.44M subscribers, I do not recall seeing any breathtaking photos in any of their videos.

    • @edmondruso2058
      @edmondruso2058 3 года назад +1

      So true. Can't get enough of Mark's Videos. Such a great photographer.

  • @DavidRecht
    @DavidRecht 3 года назад

    Some tough comments here. Here's a positive one. Nice tip on reprogramming the AE Lock button on the Canon to single point vs. tracking on the AF-On button. I had similar issue to what you described but hadn't thought about reprogramming the AE Lock. Thanks C.!

  • @darode7911
    @darode7911 3 года назад

    Bello el video. Gracias por tanta dedicación

  • @thesharpercoder
    @thesharpercoder 3 года назад +5

    Food for thought. She said the Sony has an effective frame rate of 5 fps, but longer battery life than the Canon. Then, she said that the Canon gets 20 fps, but has a shorter battery life.
    She also said that Canon frame rate drops at around 50-60% battery life. All Canon cameras do this, both DSLR and mirrorless, because it preserves battery life.
    I wonder how long the Sony battery would last if it could keep up at 20 fps.

    • @view23015
      @view23015 3 года назад +1

      My other comment on this and I'm hoping that Chelsea or Tony respond - I have the R5 and the battery life is extremely good - HOWEVER - if you leave on the Wi-fi or bluetooth for auto file transfer, it then drops significantly . Please check these settings as well. Thanks ! Waiting for the RF 100-500 that I have on order and am also getting that 600 F11 or the 800 F11 . So light and the results look great on every review.

  • @thedanitone
    @thedanitone 3 года назад +7

    And the lens goes... BUMP! 😬

  • @stevethompson8154
    @stevethompson8154 3 года назад

    Have you looked at the Sony A9 ii? Also is it fair comparing cameras costing $3000 to $3900

  • @ufosaboveus
    @ufosaboveus 3 года назад

    I am surprised you are experiencing such slow real world shutter rate with you A7Riv. Even with electronic shutter... mine is getting 7fps and with mechanical shutter, it is 10+ all day long. Did you check to see if you had your sony set to high+ for that test? Mine is doing 5fps if I step it down to slower rate so wondering if that might be what happened?

  • @Wildlife__shorts
    @Wildlife__shorts 3 года назад +20

    When you can afford expensive equipment but can’t take good pictures 😂😂😂
    :Perfect Example:

    • @CoolKrissGokul
      @CoolKrissGokul 3 года назад +1

      I agree. She could have got amazing shots. But I guess for them birds in flight is all that matters :-)

    • @jurrydevries4006
      @jurrydevries4006 3 года назад +2

      That’s a cheap comment