I think this a test between the high resolution cameras in the line ups. With the crop mode you can also get extra reach and maintain a high pixel count to crop even further
Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. I have an A7III, not an A9. So I can't speak from personal experience. But it seems like a good option, and helps keep you in a single lens ecosystem.
A7R4 is a great camera! Resolution-galore and cropping mode. It’s not even close to an A9 or A9II for sports and wildlife. 20FPS w/ no blackouts! C’mon now! 😛😛😛
When shooting wildlife with the A7R4 you really want to enable compressed RAWs. Yes that is lossy, but no, it doesn't matter for daytime action. That way you get double the buffer, way faster buffer clearing and, most importantly, the full advertised speed (Hi = 8fps with or Hi+ = 10fps without life view update). I use Hi+ in short bursts and rarely run into buffer issues.
@@markrigg6623 I'd be curious to see a sample of this mattering for an otherwise decent wildlife shot. You may see artifacts in very dark areas next to very bright pixels. E.g. a dark bird against a bright sky. Which would look rubbish, anyway? Hasn't happen to me and either way I'm sure I'm getting much more benefit from the faster capture rate.
The blackout issue is a bummer...its why I shoot he the a9II for my wildlife and action ...of corse you do loose the megapixels but thats not much of an issue for me...thanks for the vid!
The A7RVI only experiences blackout at full 10fps, you can drop it down to 8fps and you lose the blackout. Personally I feel that the 2 fps difference is minor compared to missing shots because of blackout. Of course those are just advertised numbers, I would say it is closer to 7fps with compressed raws. * I 100% agree though, if you are doing wildlife the a9 II is the way to go. Sure you lose the massive 61MP, but there is no use in high MP if you can't get the ideal shot in the first place.
You make a great point The Sony's R series cameras will never design for the kind of quick shooting and tracking that she's trying to do at least in this video. They will design for high resolution shooting. Portraits, landscapes still and slow-moving subjects. The a9 series was designed for these kind of quick moving and erratic subjects. The autofocus system even in the original a9 we're designed to better focus and track fast-moving and erratic subjects
Yeah, it's called use the right tool for the job. The a9's were designed for action shots. A7r's are for landscape or great details and cropping. I have the 200-600 mm, and the 1.4x multipler, and they work great on the a7riii and a7iii. Yeah, there is always going to be something better, but that comes down to being a better photographer, than just spray and pray. Also, I'm not going to loose thousands of dollars to KEH, to switch to another line when every year or two, camera bodies change or firmware updates fix the previous issues.
These claims about switching system are just ridiculous. We all know that they are going to switch back and forth for each new camera model. They will of course keep the best lenses and cameras of both systems.
Better than illogical sense of brand loyalty and staying with only one system, and completely ignoring everything else other brands are producing and innovating? They're yotubers who are expected by their viewers (who use a huge range pf gear across brands) to provide reviews and experiences of ALL brands. So why shouldn't they switch brands? They're not the typical off the street average joe consumers.
Should have compared it with the A9 or the A9Ii and you wouldn’t have missed your shots, had the buffer problem or had any blackout. You seem to be comparing things to get the answers that you want - perhaps to support your future move to Canon?
Agreed...I own all three of the cameras in the video and an A9II and the A9II trounces all of them (with the R5 in a close second)...why one would bring the A7RIV into this comparison at all is beyond me??
@@aceflibble I own the a7riv and have owned the a9ii for a brief period. I will agree that the a7RIV does provide more detail, but the images coming from the a9II are far sharper for birds shot at a reasonable range. Some of the prints I've done were shot with the a9II, and heavily cropped. They look incredible.
From my experience f11 is rarely used in wildlife. Most wildlife experience happens in low light scenarios so the f11 would be near impossible for most real world situations unless you take photos in the middle of the day with bad lighting
@@markrigg6623 only for bif though. If you want it as an all around lens for all around wildlife f11 is just not good. Yeah its cheap but 2k for the 200-600mm isn't bad.
I think the issue is Sony comes out with too many camera models for doing different things. While no doubt the A9 II is better in BIF, it isn't better in resolution as the A7R IV. Canon, on the other hand, tries to incorporate everything into one camera, namely resolution, AF and frame rate all in one. But, amongst many Sony wildlife pros, if they had to pick one between the A9/A9 II or the A7R IV, many tend to prefer the A7R IV over the A9/A9 II.
@@andythealien1 the pixel density means nothing if you can’t capture the shot cleanly...and I’ll take an A9ii over the A7R4 any day when it comes to fast action
You left us hanging. My understanding is that the D850/600 is still your weapon of choice for wildlife. Your ability to include the overall feel of the experience with the camera is important and many reviewers just look at the specs. Bottom line, which setup do you enjoy using more and which setup gives you the best photos?
One other thing here I didn't mention was the fact that I also bought the A9 to use with my 200-600 and the A9 is fantastic no blackouts there. It's fast and quiet I actually turned the shuttle sound back on because it's crazy fast and if you can't here it and the fact that you don't run out of ammunition you will have to many shots delete if you forget to get off the trigger. When I was the Navy as a photographer it would of been fantastic to be able to shoot like we do now. I was on the USS TICONDEROGA CVS14 for the recovery of Apollo 16 and 17 the last two manned Moon Missions. We got great photos but we were obviously limited to how much film and other factors that digital has virtually eliminated.
Because she is just looking for any excuse to switch to the Canon setup. Sure she even says at the end, find out in next video if i switch from Sony to Canon. Eh I thought you used the nikon for wildlife love
@@andrewyeates7717 I think this video was made before and just got recently uploaded. They mentioned once or twice that they had videos they still haven't gotten down to editing. This seems like one of them.
I had the money to spend this year, and thought long and hard between the A7rIV and the R5. I waited until I could try the R5 out at a store demo, and I rented the A7rIV the same week. I went with the R5, and couldn't be happier. Yes, the dynamic range is better with the Sony, but it's good with the Canon, and they fixed the issue with banding in low light. The camera is just so much more usable, and seconds can matter when you're in a live situation. The 20 fps and excellent EVF really make a difference, and it's almost impossible to fill the buffer. I set one of my back buttons to toggle between the different focus modes without taking my eye from the viewfinder. I also eliminated a few of the focus options since there were actually too many. I watched every Tony and Chelsea video on the subject at the time of purchase, and they were all a huge help in my decision. This video cements my belief that i made the right choice. I'm currently using a Sigma150-600mm for wildlife, but I plan on getting the 800mm Canon too. Thanks again.
You saw only how they were displayed for the video, not how they were stored. This should have been obvious given that every one of those big f/4s comes with a hard shell case.
Chelsea also had the Sony at a lower shutter speed even though a teleconverter was used to expand the range to 800mm. That will influence the sharpness.
First you need to know how to use the lens and camera properly if tour investing over 10k worth of gear. Watch a real pro Sony shooter on both A7IV and A9 - Mark Smith he will show you how to set up the cameras settings properly. Not cowboy style who bashes lens and can't even transport this gear properly. Check Mark Smith on youtube he's a guru of wildlife photography also his story telling is on point 👌🏿📸
You just took the words out of my mouth. Mark has shown better image quality with the Sony a7IV and 200-600 mm kens then Chelsea did with the 600mm f4. and then she talks about blackouts, the A9 and A9II does NOT blackout....
Yes, maybe she should take lessons from Mark Smith. For having 1.44M subscribers, I do not recall seeing any breathtaking photos in any of their videos.
Great video, thanks! I'm going to keep riding the 90D and the 100-400 II till the R7 comes out and re-evaluate then. The R is like the Sony. View lag. Not great for moving subjects.
I tend to agree, I was disappointed at first with my a7riv then I switched to a faster sd card (sony tough) and it's way better ... but I imagine she knows all that
@@rogergregston6491 love mine too. Agreed - many underestimate the stunning quality. I don't even see it as a 1" sensor. I just see the beautiful images it takes.
Yeah I've rented both the RX10IV and crop bodies with big lenses for wildlife. The RX10 falls apart with low light, but having a small body and huge zoom range is way more pleasant to carry around. I'd likely rent it for a vacation with wildlife over a giant lens that would be frustrating to schlep around. Hopefully Sony comes out with an RX10V with the newer AF modes and a fast card slot.
@@rogergregston6491 I shot our Disney vacation with the RX10 iii. At the time, I had a A7rii, and a7ii, a6500 before getting an a7riii, and a7iii. I still would take the RX10 iii or get a RX10iv. The stills and video were amazing even the fireworks over the castle at night. I also have that big ass 200-600 mm and the 1.4x multiplier. It's sharp and would be cool at AirVenture, but no way several days all day swinging that thing compared to the RX10's. In the light she was shooting? That RX10 iii or iv would have only been out done by an a9/a9ii for most people. If you're shooting for National Geographic, then yeah.
What. could Sony improve for an RX10 V (if they ever make one)? IBIS? Internal ND filter?? Longer lens??? Faster card compatibility???? Not much else comes to mind.
Just sold my 600/4. Sad to see it go but mirrorless bodies allow you to get away with using slower/lighter lenses that make it much easier to "get the shot".
@@richardmurray1858 Nikon 600 FL E. Still have my D850 but am only using it with the 500PF now for action stills -- much much lighter/smaller and will work @f8 w/1.4TC in a pinch. But more importantly, my experience shooting a Z7 is that mirrorless bodies tolerate TC's much better than DSLR's -- the Z7 allowed me to start using my 2xTC with the 600 once again after having to abandon the TC years ago when high resolution bodies became available. This was most likely due to no fine tuning required and there's no mirror slap to contend with. Going forward I doubt I'll ever buy a 600/4 again...maybe a 600/5.6PF or 4 lb 500/4. Even though the weight of the latest models are lower, they're too big and cumbersome (and expensive) and the quality of the smaller, albeit slower lenses are getting better all the time. And mirrorless bodies AF much better on slower lenses vs. DSLR's too. Changing times. I also shoot video with a Sony a7SIII & 200-600 (400-1200 w/2xTC!) with excellent results.
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That's only 525mm equivalent, doesn't have high resolution to crop in on wildlife, horrible rolling shutter, one card slot, and the buffer clears sooooo slowly. with a partial-speed UHS-1 port. Source: I tried the 70-350mm on the A6400. It's a nice lens, but Sony really needs to refresh it's APSC lineup.
No blackout with a9/a9II. ISO beast, and it works better with extenders. Best choice for me: a9 and 600 f/4 "and" 200-600 with both extenders. Dream package (although I can't wait to see what the a9III will bring to the table).
Ok, for all you non-birder Sony shooter, the a9 and a9ii are both 24Mpixels which is not enough. Heavy cropping is a fact of life when birding, and the a9 and a9ii are not comparable to a 45Mpixel camera.
@@nordic5490 Birds is almost all I do. I guess I have to throw out all my awesome bird photos now, because 24 MP is clearly "not enough". Perhaps you just need to work at getting closer?
That's what happens when Chelsea pretends to be the wildlife photographer! Then she opens her mouth and we hear all Tony's words... come on Chelsea, let the poor guy do his job!
Nice video! I'd suggest Mark smith's channel who uses the same combo Sony a7RIV + 600mm f4 and he nails shots like crazy :) He's got his hands on the Canon R5 now.
The 200-600 is on sale and with a student discount it's only 1600 from BH. Also just purchased an a7riv with the same discount for $2,475. Throw in the BH credit card and you don't even pay taxes :)
Looking forward to see what the A9 III brings That will be my deciding factor between the CanonR5 & A9III Hopefully A9III with more MP & fast clearing buffer without disabling camera's functions.. It will also be interesting to see what a Pro R brings to the table in the future.
Yepp, the A7RIV was never meant to be a wildlife camera, it's more for architecture, portraits and landscape. For my wildlife pics I always use my A9II with my 600mm F4 - Awesome combo! I have both cameras, so I think I am allowed to say that ...
I use for wildlife the Sony A7 III & 200-600mm and mine, this combination is nearly perfect. Very good autofocus speed (also with 1,4 TC), image quality... I love it.
It just tells you how little they care haha. I really like their content, some more, some less, but this video, she was like, I don't give a single f&&= about these lenses and cameras. It was almost unwatchable. I handle my equipment like if it's plutonium.
The issue with the camera not responding when the buffer is filled, seems like an unnecessary software limitation. Many other cameras are able to mostly avoid it. Usually the only time you would lock other functions while data is being written, is if you are attempting to edit data that has not been fully written, or if you are using 100% of available memory for buffer, in which case, you wait just long enough to free enough RAM for menus to load. There is no technical reason to lock out menus until the buffer is completely cleared.
I own the sony a7riv and the 200-600 lens and while I do agree the blackout is an issue, as far as the frames per second your only getting 4-5 because your shooting in the compressed raw... if you switch it to uncompressed raw you will be getting the 10 frames per second and you will not see any difference in picture quality ... not only that but it will double the time it takes to fill the buffer , if not more...it will also clear your buffer roughly twice as fast and you’ll be saving massive storage because the photos are half the size ( more room on the sad card and your computer hard drive ) I think you should have also talked about going into apsc crop mode which is like a built in teleconverter.. it will turn the RIV into a 28 megapixel and you will never hit the buffer ( not never but it takes a long time ) and it clears your buffer almost instantly.... So while I agree with what you said about it you made it seem like its not a good wildlife camera.. dynamic range is good but there is also many qualities that it has to make it a great wildlife camera.... fair review just feel that you could have said more to not make it seem so bad i also have the a9ii and i use the RIV just as much depending on situation ... if i need the resolution by the eagle is far i go with RIV , if the birds are flying all around i go with a9ii for auto focus .... all in all thought it was fair just more details !!!
There is a real problem with the Sony a7r4 - 200-600mm combo. I get much sharper photos with the a6400 and 200-600mm. There are loads of people complaining about the problem. The 1.2 firmware update help some but no matter what I try - ibis, no ibis, very high shutter speeds, tried it all and just not that sharp. With the a6400 the 200-600mm is very sharp. My a7r4 works great with all my other lenses though.
@@markrigg6623 The tracking and auto focus is spot on with all my other lenses. Just not the 200-600. Yes, I can get sharp shots of static items, But, Sony pushed the 200-600mm as a great combo with the a7riv for birding when it came out. It is just not good for sports and BIF. I get sharper shots with the mc-11 and Canon-Sigma 100-400mm .f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM with BIF on the a7riv.
My R5's no-blackout thing is great, as is animal-eye AF. I'm very happy with the camera overall. Probably a lot happier than the folks at the place that loaned you those lenses are about you slamming them into your trunk...😳
With the A7Riv I also experienced a reduced frame rate at 5 fps BUT I found a parameter that has a great inflence : That is Tab1 5/15 Priority Set in AF-C You have 3 choices : AF , Release, Balanced Emphasis In you switch to Release or Balanced Emphasis you get your 11 frames/sec I use Balanced Emphasis to have good enough focus.
They're buffoons, they making all of these (no cap, bumping, making bold statements, etc) to upset you, to watch more videos, to comment, subscribe, to stir the mess. This brings them views and therefore money. That's all about it. If you want to see professional reviews and comparisons, go to Gerald Undone, Dustin Abbott, and Mark Galer.
Uh - #7:57 you're getting 4 to 5 frames per second? I don't know what you're doing but... *You're Doing It Wrong* Edit: Ah - at 8:50 we discover what you're doing wrong :p You're shooting uncompressed raw. Turn on compression. There is no hit to quality and you'll immediately see the full ~10fps and increase your buffer depth by about half again (~60 shots)
Correct. I have the a7riv and get 10 FPS and I use compressed raw. However there is some lag due to the EVF which is annoying, so for birds in flights I use the the a9 which is much better for fast action. The a9 has no blackout and how it also acquires and sticks to birds in flight much better is great. Larger birds such as geese are ok with the a7riv and the blackout is minimal so it really depends on what you are shooting.
1) There is no blackout on the Sony A7RIV in HI mode instead of HI+ mode, 2) I get, consistently 8fps in HI mode 3) the number of images you get in the buffer is about doubled (60+) if you use Compressed RAW mode 4) while using front shutter open and with mechanical back shutter you get no read-out tearing and, while the shutter is not silent, it is much quieter than most cameras. That said, I do think the Canon R5 has some advantages over the Sony A7RIV, including the 20 vs 8 usable frames per second, better AI for animal/bird tracking (maybe not compared to the Sony A1), and the 800mm f11 (weight more than price as the difference in body price makes up a large chunk or the price difference between the Sony 200-600). Most of the issues you called out on the Sony seem to be just a lack of familiarity with setup for wildlife.
Curious as to why you didn't use an a9 instead? I don't think too many people use the rIV for wildlife or action primarily for the reasons that you mentioned.
Great review. Nice to see that the d850 holds up so well. The 800mm with r5 is a nice option for good light. Lots of new stuff coming out in 2021 so mirrorless is definitely the way to go when the battery life and Dr improvements come. The glass is really what's critical as it's so expensive.
Food for thought. She said the Sony has an effective frame rate of 5 fps, but longer battery life than the Canon. Then, she said that the Canon gets 20 fps, but has a shorter battery life. She also said that Canon frame rate drops at around 50-60% battery life. All Canon cameras do this, both DSLR and mirrorless, because it preserves battery life. I wonder how long the Sony battery would last if it could keep up at 20 fps.
My other comment on this and I'm hoping that Chelsea or Tony respond - I have the R5 and the battery life is extremely good - HOWEVER - if you leave on the Wi-fi or bluetooth for auto file transfer, it then drops significantly . Please check these settings as well. Thanks ! Waiting for the RF 100-500 that I have on order and am also getting that 600 F11 or the 800 F11 . So light and the results look great on every review.
No offense, but I have a Sony A9 with a 200-600 Lens sitting on a gimbal for BIF pictures. I have an A7R3 for higher resolution image. There are people who don't like handholding large lens while taking fast action wildlife images. Some very top wildlife photographers even use gimbals and tripods to get these kind of shots. Some of Chelsea's critiques on these lens is questionable as it is her way of doing photography.
Ok, for all you non-birder Sony shooter, the a9 and a9ii are both 24Mpixels which is not enough. Heavy cropping is a fact of life when birding, and the a9 and a9ii are not comparable to a 45Mpixel camera.
The a7r4 is the current model. Ok, for all you non-birder Sony shooter, the a9 and a9ii are both 24Mpixels which is not enough. Heavy cropping is a fact of life when birding, and the a9 and a9ii are not comparable to a 45Mpixel camera.
I still think that f11 is simply too slow for anything other than midday shooting unless you want to be at a skyhigh iso. For that reason alone, I'd choose a 150-600 over the f11
This is why you shouldn't buy used gear from KEH...only people with too much $$$ to burn who don't take care of their gear would take such a hit in selling their used gear...if you want pennies on the $ for your gear KEH is the place!!
@@markrigg6623 just because they're not that fragile doesn't mean you don't want to or shouldn't protect them. your phone is rated for drops, impacts, dust, water resistance, etc. but you're still careful with it, right? you put it in your pocket by itself (not with keys), you put a skin (SPONSORED BY DBRAND lol) or case on it, maybe a screen protector, etc. you don't just toss it on the counter or or use it with dirty hands. small bump... lol. you know perfectly well how roads are, plus it's not like you've got the exact conditions of the road perfectly memorized. and even if you did, potholes and minor inconveniences can occur. your body is hardy, why wear a seatbelt? lol.
Mark Smith shoots (fantastically) 7r4 + 200600. I guess he just isn’t at Chelsea’s level... also, you compared 200600 with a teleextender against the non-extended Canon 800. Sigh. Of course it’s AF speed and accuracy suffer slightly.
I agree with Chelsea. Although mirrorless cameras are already so fast in terms of autofocus, when shooting wildlife, it still lacks and not as quick when you try to shoot something suddenly appears, the dslr still grabs shots faster. That’s why although I have a R5 too, I still keep my D500
I just want to point out a situation. When you shown the back of your car your license plate number was in clear view which is a security issue. In the future blurr out the plate number for protection and privacy
Good review Chelsea! In regards to battery life on the R5, I added the Canon grip which holds two batteries. Also, I use Canon's brand new battery that has a larger charge capacity. Using the grip with the new batteries solved the battery life issue for me. My EF 600mm F4 lll snaps into focus. I have a suggestion for a future review. I have been shooting Canon's C-RAW instead of RAW for wildlife. I can tell little difference in post and the file size is reduced by 50%. The smaller files help with FR and buffer capacity. I wish you and/or Tony would review the pros and cons of C-RAW vs RAW.
@@davidho2977 I was going to post the same comment, why complain about battery life when you don't have the battery grip? I bought the grip with my R5 and have not had any battery issues, shot for hours and still a good deal of battery life left.
@@davidho2977 it's always out of sight. Any smart person would not leave them in sight. But still, there can always be random break ins. I try not to leave thousands of $$$$ of equipment in my trunk unless absolutley necessary.
I would have liked to see how the Sony performed with the 200-600 without the teleconverter and also how the A9 is holding up against the R5. Tony showed us before that cropping in post mostly gives better results than using a teleconverter. So I don't get that choice at all. Besides that, great video and I wish I could test all that gear myself. So jealous hahah
Some tough comments here. Here's a positive one. Nice tip on reprogramming the AE Lock button on the Canon to single point vs. tracking on the AF-On button. I had similar issue to what you described but hadn't thought about reprogramming the AE Lock. Thanks C.!
The biggest issue with this review is that Chelsea does not know how to set up a Sony camera for wildlife. In fairness this is just as much a result of Sony’s quirkiness as much as Chelsea’s lack of knowledge about those quirks. 1) set the AF-C to HI, not HI+ to prevent blackout. 2) make sure the EVF quality is set to Standard and refresh rate is set to high to get the best wildlife viewing experience on this camera, 3) For high speed action, don’t shoot in silent mode. You will get image tearing due to Sony’s slow scan-out. 4) if you are shooting still subjects like the squirrel, use expand flexible spot tracking unless the squirrel is the closest thing in the center of the viewport. there is no squirrel Eye AF on Sony. 5) I consistently get 8fps using Uncompressed RAW with my A7RIV, but there are a number of settings that will reduce frame rate on Sony. 6) no question the R5 has faster scan-out and better subject acquisition and tracking than the Sony A7RIV. Most Sony users had hoped they would update the A7RIV firmware to include Bird Eye AF. There was a perfect opportunity to do that with the A7RIVA launch, but it does not look like that will happen.
If your seriously into flying birds or fast moving animals then you can use a dot sight like the one Olympus make and it works great as long as you set it up right. It won't matter about LAG then..
Battery life is usually a lot more than the makers suggest, then it takes only seconds to slip in a fresh one. I photographed motorsport professionally with Canon for years, sometimes I could getaway without a change. One other thing, it seems excessive having a 60mp camera when the lens will only resolve 20-25. The R3 was going to come out with a 100mp sensor, only light gathering, noise, working with gigantic files shuffled it back to something sensible. You don't really need 50mp when the lower count had better dynamic range.
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Who counted how many time a lens was bumped transitioning out the trunk
product bump test; pass..................for the car. Didn't edit it out and retake.... love the honesty and the humor.
"...the Canon Eos R5-" *bonk*
haha yeah with every bump KEH squeezed their buttocks
I counted 3 :D
Not sure if I missed anything.
Strange that they didn't crop the bumps out of the clip!
Dear Chelsea every time you hit those awesome Lenses to the top of your trunk my heart broke a little. 😅
Mine too 😁
Sameeee ffs 🤦
I know right!!! What the hell, I won’t even touch my camera just to make sure I don’t smudge it with my fingerprints 😂
I loved that she always clunked the ~17k canon ;)
@@faisalee excuse me but how do you take picture without touching your camera?
I think the A9 or A9ll is better for wildlife when it comes to Sony.
Or the soon to be released A9 III or A9r
I think they are cropping all the wildlife pictures, and a9II does not have that big resolution.
I think this a test between the high resolution cameras in the line ups. With the crop mode you can also get extra reach and maintain a high pixel count to crop even further
Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. I have an A7III, not an A9. So I can't speak from personal experience. But it seems like a good option, and helps keep you in a single lens ecosystem.
A9 more for mammals, a7R4 for birds. One needs high ISO performance for black bears at dawn, one needs high res for extra cropability.
A7R4 is a great camera! Resolution-galore and cropping mode. It’s not even close to an A9 or A9II for sports and wildlife. 20FPS w/ no blackouts! C’mon now! 😛😛😛
If the black out is a problem use the electronic shutter.
The buffer still sucks on the A9.
@@mattiafalappi5516 exactly
@@justinholding02 what?! Lol
@@justinholding02 But is the buffer worse on the A9ii than it is on the A7r4
My favorite trick for my R5/R6 is setting my control ring to focus point. I go from wide to zone to single point in a twist and with my other hand 🙌
Chelsea keeps hitting big expensive lens onto the car!!!
When shooting wildlife with the A7R4 you really want to enable compressed RAWs. Yes that is lossy, but no, it doesn't matter for daytime action. That way you get double the buffer, way faster buffer clearing and, most importantly, the full advertised speed (Hi = 8fps with or Hi+ = 10fps without life view update). I use Hi+ in short bursts and rarely run into buffer issues.
@@markrigg6623 I'd be curious to see a sample of this mattering for an otherwise decent wildlife shot. You may see artifacts in very dark areas next to very bright pixels. E.g. a dark bird against a bright sky. Which would look rubbish, anyway? Hasn't happen to me and either way I'm sure I'm getting much more benefit from the faster capture rate.
The blackout issue is a bummer...its why I shoot he the a9II for my wildlife and action ...of corse you do loose the megapixels but thats not much of an issue for me...thanks for the vid!
The A7RVI only experiences blackout at full 10fps, you can drop it down to 8fps and you lose the blackout. Personally I feel that the 2 fps difference is minor compared to missing shots because of blackout. Of course those are just advertised numbers, I would say it is closer to 7fps with compressed raws.
* I 100% agree though, if you are doing wildlife the a9 II is the way to go. Sure you lose the massive 61MP, but there is no use in high MP if you can't get the ideal shot in the first place.
Yes I think A9II is good for photographing moving objects. A7R versions are good for still images.
You make a great point The Sony's R series cameras will never design for the kind of quick shooting and tracking that she's trying to do at least in this video. They will design for high resolution shooting. Portraits, landscapes still and slow-moving subjects. The a9 series was designed for these kind of quick moving and erratic subjects. The autofocus system even in the original a9 we're designed to better focus and track fast-moving and erratic subjects
Yeah, it's called use the right tool for the job. The a9's were designed for action shots. A7r's are for landscape or great details and cropping.
I have the 200-600 mm, and the 1.4x multipler, and they work great on the a7riii and a7iii. Yeah, there is always going to be something better, but that comes down to being a better photographer, than just spray and pray.
Also, I'm not going to loose thousands of dollars to KEH, to switch to another line when every year or two, camera bodies change or firmware updates fix the previous issues.
I passed on the A7R4 for not having multiple raw sizes. pretty lame to be stuck at 61mp as an only option for raw!wtflop Sony!??
Really thought Chelsea might also bonk a lens into a tree at one point 😆
These claims about switching system are just ridiculous. We all know that they are going to switch back and forth for each new camera model. They will of course keep the best lenses and cameras of both systems.
The Next Big Thing is always right around the corner in this hypermarket we're in, and then it's "Time to switch?!?" all over again. Insane.
It's not ridiculous when you have the money to burn who care they are not brand loyal and these guys has money to burn
Better than illogical sense of brand loyalty and staying with only one system, and completely ignoring everything else other brands are producing and innovating? They're yotubers who are expected by their viewers (who use a huge range pf gear across brands) to provide reviews and experiences of ALL brands. So why shouldn't they switch brands? They're not the typical off the street average joe consumers.
Should have compared it with the A9 or the A9Ii and you wouldn’t have missed your shots, had the buffer problem or had any blackout. You seem to be comparing things to get the answers that you want - perhaps to support your future move to Canon?
Agreed...I own all three of the cameras in the video and an A9II and the A9II trounces all of them (with the R5 in a close second)...why one would bring the A7RIV into this comparison at all is beyond me??
Agreed. Confirmation bias.
@@aceflibble I own the a7riv and have owned the a9ii for a brief period. I will agree that the a7RIV does provide more detail, but the images coming from the a9II are far sharper for birds shot at a reasonable range. Some of the prints I've done were shot with the a9II, and heavily cropped. They look incredible.
Please test the 800mm vs 200-600mm with some beginner and check how easy it is for them to find flying bird with that fixed 800mm. Good luck.
From my experience f11 is rarely used in wildlife. Most wildlife experience happens in low light scenarios so the f11 would be near impossible for most real world situations unless you take photos in the middle of the day with bad lighting
Lol. Give them a crop sensor as well together with it 🤣
Make it manual focus, Too.
@@markrigg6623 depends on which bird. I mostly photograph owls. And its almost always low light situations unless its in a tree sleeping.
@@markrigg6623 only for bif though. If you want it as an all around lens for all around wildlife f11 is just not good. Yeah its cheap but 2k for the 200-600mm isn't bad.
Good video but where can I sell my used gear? Would be awesome if you could suggest a place
eBay
It's a mystery.
Yeah maybe if you ask KEH they can help you out
MPB
You can't, it's worthless. However, just mail it to myhouse in countryoverhere and I'll deal with it.
Why use landscape and portrait cameras for wildlife? A92 vs 1dx3 vs d6
Resolution
Why use the A7R4 when the A9 is the camera meant for this and that won’t be laggy at all.
Where’s the mighty A9II?
People have compared and said the R5 is better in most ways.
She should have used the a9ii instead of the a7r iv
I think the issue is Sony comes out with too many camera models for doing different things. While no doubt the A9 II is better in BIF, it isn't better in resolution as the A7R IV. Canon, on the other hand, tries to incorporate everything into one camera, namely resolution, AF and frame rate all in one. But, amongst many Sony wildlife pros, if they had to pick one between the A9/A9 II or the A7R IV, many tend to prefer the A7R IV over the A9/A9 II.
@@andythealien1 the pixel density means nothing if you can’t capture the shot cleanly...and I’ll take an A9ii over the A7R4 any day when it comes to fast action
@@kai_dek No, R5 vs a7r iv is ok. Because Canon will bring their top of the line R1 next year. Then, Canon R1 vs a9 mark ii will be more sensible.
You left us hanging. My understanding is that the D850/600 is still your weapon of choice for wildlife. Your ability to include the overall feel of the experience with the camera is important and many reviewers just look at the specs. Bottom line, which setup do you enjoy using more and which setup gives you the best photos?
One other thing here I didn't mention was the fact that I also bought the A9 to use with my 200-600 and the A9 is fantastic no blackouts there. It's fast and quiet I actually turned the shuttle sound back on because it's crazy fast and if you can't here it and the fact that you don't run out of ammunition you will have to many shots delete if you forget to get off the trigger. When I was the Navy as a photographer it would of been fantastic to be able to shoot like we do now. I was on the USS TICONDEROGA CVS14 for the recovery of Apollo 16 and 17 the last two manned Moon Missions. We got great photos but we were obviously limited to how much film and other factors that digital has virtually eliminated.
I know its hear not here
Why don’t you use a9ii for blackout free and high frame rate?
They seem to gravitate towards the high-MP bodies to crop in on wildlife.
Because she is just looking for any excuse to switch to the Canon setup. Sure she even says at the end, find out in next video if i switch from Sony to Canon. Eh I thought you used the nikon for wildlife love
Because it was a comparison between two high-megapixel cameras. Hello?
@@andrewyeates7717 I think this video was made before and just got recently uploaded. They mentioned once or twice that they had videos they still haven't gotten down to editing. This seems like one of them.
What about testing the R5 against the Sony A9ii on speed and blackout which would be the correct camera to test against.
Exactly. She got the A7R IV and is complaining about the framerate.
Um, I think one mention of KEH is enough.
But maybe that's just me.
The 5% bonus either way is a good deal.
80 grand in the trunk , someone has to pay the bills .
It’s a free video for you. Do you work for free?
“Let’s go grab that Canon R5”
*smacks the shit out of it
🤣🤣🤣
I had the money to spend this year, and thought long and hard between the A7rIV and the R5. I waited until I could try the R5 out at a store demo, and I rented the A7rIV the same week. I went with the R5, and couldn't be happier. Yes, the dynamic range is better with the Sony, but it's good with the Canon, and they fixed the issue with banding in low light. The camera is just so much more usable, and seconds can matter when you're in a live situation. The 20 fps and excellent EVF really make a difference, and it's almost impossible to fill the buffer. I set one of my back buttons to toggle between the different focus modes without taking my eye from the viewfinder. I also eliminated a few of the focus options since there were actually too many. I watched every Tony and Chelsea video on the subject at the time of purchase, and they were all a huge help in my decision. This video cements my belief that i made the right choice. I'm currently using a Sigma150-600mm for wildlife, but I plan on getting the 800mm Canon too. Thanks again.
You have luxury to choose but for us our t3i is everything sports,wildlife,landscape,portrait camera.
I feel ya brother. I've been rocking a T1i until just a few months ago.
@@monkeywizard77 if you get paid for doing photography then full frame is worth to buy if not then any beginner dslr is enough for take photos.
I cant believe how you just drove around with $60k worth of equipment in your trunk that wasnt even stored properly 😂😂😂
You saw only how they were displayed for the video, not how they were stored. This should have been obvious given that every one of those big f/4s comes with a hard shell case.
@@Tinfoilnation no, I think she actually drove around with them unsecured like that. I'd be concerned for my lens mount above all 😂
You can't seriously believe they drove around like that, come on man 🤦♂️
@@venom5809 well, that's what the video showed. Her driving into the garage and then opening the trunk 🤣🤣🤣
this is worse than the verge how to build a computer video
The-Digital-Picture says that the Sony 200-600mm (even with a 1.4TC on a A7RIII) ist way sharper than the Canon 800 f11 on a R5.
Perhaps in a studio setting, but our test was real world, handheld, factoring in focusing accuracy and stabilization.
Chelsea also had the Sony at a lower shutter speed even though a teleconverter was used to expand the range to 800mm. That will influence the sharpness.
@@gordonvanbiljon5517 the 200-600 plus 1.4tc = $3000 usd, vs the 800mm f11 @ $900 usd.
The 800mm f11 is great value for money, and is very light.
@@nordic5490 great lens for candid photos.
@@nordic5490 200-600 is far more versatile (sports, lower light situations) and w/o TC IQ is visibly better.
First you need to know how to use the lens and camera properly if tour investing over 10k worth of gear.
Watch a real pro Sony shooter on both A7IV and A9 - Mark Smith he will show you how to set up the cameras settings properly. Not cowboy style who bashes lens and can't even transport this gear properly.
Check Mark Smith on youtube he's a guru of wildlife photography also his story telling is on point 👌🏿📸
You just took the words out of my mouth. Mark has shown better image quality with the Sony a7IV and 200-600 mm kens then Chelsea did with the 600mm f4. and then she talks about blackouts, the A9 and A9II does NOT blackout....
@@jalilhosseini621 Fully agree
Yes, maybe she should take lessons from Mark Smith. For having 1.44M subscribers, I do not recall seeing any breathtaking photos in any of their videos.
So true. Can't get enough of Mark's Videos. Such a great photographer.
Just watch Mark Smith and his A7RIV for bird photography. All you need to know.
He knows how to use gear! Not really sure what she is trying to proove?!
Whenever I saw she bumped the big lens, my heart sunk.
If a lens cannot handle a small bump, it is junk.
@@nordic5490 I don’t want to bump my $13,000 lens .
@@kennethlui2268 but your 13k lens won't be destroyed by a small bump
@@ramimxss I know that, but I don’t want any dent or scratch. I would put lens coat on it.
@@kennethlui2268 You should be more concerned that she's bumping it into a $100,000 car then :p Much more valuable than the lens
With those lenses people would think your trying to get photos of alien life
Great video, thanks! I'm going to keep riding the 90D and the 100-400 II till the R7 comes out and re-evaluate then. The R is like the Sony. View lag. Not great for moving subjects.
I'm curious what type of cards were giving such a poor burst performance on the A7r IV. Did you try the Sony Tough cards?
True. The Sony cameras showcased here are highly underperforming. Other reviewers have talked highly of Sony A7R4.
I tend to agree, I was disappointed at first with my a7riv then I switched to a faster sd card (sony tough) and it's way better ... but I imagine she knows all that
Budget: Sony RX10 IV
No Budget: Nikon D850 + AF-S NIKKOR 180-400mm f/4E TC1.4 FL ED
Love my RX10 IV! T&C won’t acknowledge it (likely due to small sensor).
@@rogergregston6491 love mine too. Agreed - many underestimate the stunning quality. I don't even see it as a 1" sensor. I just see the beautiful images it takes.
Yeah I've rented both the RX10IV and crop bodies with big lenses for wildlife. The RX10 falls apart with low light, but having a small body and huge zoom range is way more pleasant to carry around.
I'd likely rent it for a vacation with wildlife over a giant lens that would be frustrating to schlep around. Hopefully Sony comes out with an RX10V with the newer AF modes and a fast card slot.
@@rogergregston6491 I shot our Disney vacation with the RX10 iii. At the time, I had a A7rii, and a7ii, a6500 before getting an a7riii, and a7iii. I still would take the RX10 iii or get a RX10iv. The stills and video were amazing even the fireworks over the castle at night.
I also have that big ass 200-600 mm and the 1.4x multiplier. It's sharp and would be cool at AirVenture, but no way several days all day swinging that thing compared to the RX10's.
In the light she was shooting?
That RX10 iii or iv would have only been out done by an a9/a9ii for most people.
If you're shooting for National Geographic, then yeah.
What. could Sony improve for an RX10 V (if they ever make one)? IBIS? Internal ND filter?? Longer lens??? Faster card compatibility????
Not much else comes to mind.
Just sold my 600/4. Sad to see it go but mirrorless bodies allow you to get away with using slower/lighter lenses that make it much easier to "get the shot".
what 600/4 and DSLR were you shooting with?
@@richardmurray1858 Nikon 600 FL E. Still have my D850 but am only using it with the 500PF now for action stills -- much much lighter/smaller and will work @f8 w/1.4TC in a pinch. But more importantly, my experience shooting a Z7 is that mirrorless bodies tolerate TC's much better than DSLR's -- the Z7 allowed me to start using my 2xTC with the 600 once again after having to abandon the TC years ago when high resolution bodies became available. This was most likely due to no fine tuning required and there's no mirror slap to contend with. Going forward I doubt I'll ever buy a 600/4 again...maybe a 600/5.6PF or 4 lb 500/4. Even though the weight of the latest models are lower, they're too big and cumbersome (and expensive) and the quality of the smaller, albeit slower lenses are getting better all the time. And mirrorless bodies AF much better on slower lenses vs. DSLR's too. Changing times. I also shoot video with a Sony a7SIII & 200-600 (400-1200 w/2xTC!) with excellent results.
1 shot of vodka every time Chelsea bumps a lens.
YESSSSSSSSSS No Respect No Respect..Easy Come Easy Go $$$$$
Fans Are Also Their Multi Billion Dollar Customers Just look at the home we Fans Bought Them? LOL
Hits the lens on the way out the trunk lol
Sooo many times. I think it was mostly just the hood, but still. :)
haha yeah with every bump KEH squeezed their buttocks
17:51 no caps on those
Yeah I was cringing everytime she did that!
I thought the same thing.
Sony a6600 with the 70-350mm G, seems like an actual contender here.
That's only 525mm equivalent, doesn't have high resolution to crop in on wildlife, horrible rolling shutter, one card slot, and the buffer clears sooooo slowly.
with a partial-speed UHS-1 port. Source: I tried the 70-350mm on the A6400. It's a nice lens, but Sony really needs to refresh it's APSC lineup.
@@HappyHubris its that BMW car she has! Low ceiling on the trunk. Where do they get all their money?
@@gosman949 RUclips ad money, Affiliate links, sponsorships, books they make. Welcome to the internet :)
@@hiawrj I have a feeling they also do photography on a successful professional footing
@@joelbenford9327 You think so? Maybe they used to, but not any longer I think. There is so much money in ads currently.
Why did you use a portrait camera (a7Riv) with a $13000 600mm/f4 lens? You should campare it with Sony a9.
After watching so many reviews and videos finally I Got Fujifilm xt3😂😂😂
And I went back to shooting film on vintage cameras and lenses.
I built a pin-hole camera out of a shoe box :-D
I got into cave paintings...hands down the best way to document wildlife
@@bakaXY lol!!!
No blackout with a9/a9II. ISO beast, and it works better with extenders. Best choice for me: a9 and 600 f/4 "and" 200-600 with both extenders. Dream package (although I can't wait to see what the a9III will bring to the table).
Ok, for all you non-birder Sony shooter, the a9 and a9ii are both 24Mpixels which is not enough. Heavy cropping is a fact of life when birding, and the a9 and a9ii are not comparable to a 45Mpixel camera.
@@nordic5490 Birds is almost all I do. I guess I have to throw out all my awesome bird photos now, because 24 MP is clearly "not enough". Perhaps you just need to work at getting closer?
Every single time that Chelsea picked a lens, it hit the trunk! Wrong lenses, or wrong car for you?!
That's what happens when Chelsea pretends to be the wildlife photographer! Then she opens her mouth and we hear all Tony's words... come on Chelsea, let the poor guy do his job!
Very glamorous! I often do the budget version of this and remove my Nikon V1 with 30-110mm from the trunk/boot of my car.
Nice video! I'd suggest Mark smith's channel who uses the same combo Sony a7RIV + 600mm f4 and he nails shots like crazy :) He's got his hands on the Canon R5 now.
FYI the a7riv and 200-600mm combo have many known autofocusing issues. A lot of inconsistencies - was horrible in my testing.
The 200-600 is on sale and with a student discount it's only 1600 from BH. Also just purchased an a7riv with the same discount for $2,475. Throw in the BH credit card and you don't even pay taxes :)
Best telezoom on the market.
Looking forward to see what the A9 III brings That will be my deciding factor between the CanonR5 & A9III Hopefully A9III with more MP & fast clearing buffer without disabling camera's functions.. It will also be interesting to see what a Pro R brings to the table in the future.
Who came straight to comments as soon as she bumped the 600 to the trunk !!
Man, you bump those lenses constantly, and that nice BMW! 😁
Isn't there a batt grip for that R5?? Use that!
They were seriously hoping you noticed the BMW. Hey look at our ridiculous car. 🤦♀️
Can you please re-do this test with an A9 or A9II? I’m curious what your reaction will be when using the proper tool. 😛😝😜
Yepp, the A7RIV was never meant to be a wildlife camera, it's more for architecture, portraits and landscape. For my wildlife pics I always use my A9II with my 600mm F4 - Awesome combo! I have both cameras, so I think I am allowed to say that ...
@@wilduntamedphotography1260 yes, A7r4 sadly it’s not an all around camera. Bummer.
It proves how versatile the R5 is tbough 😉
@@justinholding02 yepp, but as wildlife cam I would always prefer the A9ii
@@wilduntamedphotography1260 i wouldn't. Much sharper images on the R5, autofocus is on par and the buffer clears a lot more quickly
I use for wildlife the Sony A7 III & 200-600mm and mine, this combination is nearly perfect. Very good autofocus speed (also with 1,4 TC), image quality... I love it.
11:06 I swear my heart dropped for a solid second.
It just tells you how little they care haha. I really like their content, some more, some less, but this video, she was like, I don't give a single f&&= about these lenses and cameras. It was almost unwatchable. I handle my equipment like if it's plutonium.
Just picked up an A7R3. Happily 3 years behind!
my heart beats out of sync everytime chelsea knocks the lens! lol!
The issue with the camera not responding when the buffer is filled, seems like an unnecessary software limitation. Many other cameras are able to mostly avoid it. Usually the only time you would lock other functions while data is being written, is if you are attempting to edit data that has not been fully written, or if you are using 100% of available memory for buffer, in which case, you wait just long enough to free enough RAM for menus to load. There is no technical reason to lock out menus until the buffer is completely cleared.
I own the sony a7riv and the 200-600 lens and while I do agree the blackout is an issue, as far as the frames per second your only getting 4-5 because your shooting in the compressed raw... if you switch it to uncompressed raw you will be getting the 10 frames per second and you will not see any difference in picture quality ... not only that but it will double the time it takes to fill the buffer , if not more...it will also clear your buffer roughly twice as fast and you’ll be saving massive storage because the photos are half the size ( more room on the sad card and your computer hard drive ) I think you should have also talked about going into apsc crop mode which is like a built in teleconverter.. it will turn the RIV into a 28 megapixel and you will never hit the buffer ( not never but it takes a long time ) and it clears your buffer almost instantly.... So while I agree with what you said about it you made it seem like its not a good wildlife camera.. dynamic range is good but there is also many qualities that it has to make it a great wildlife camera.... fair review just feel that you could have said more to not make it seem so bad i also have the a9ii and i use the RIV just as much depending on situation ... if i need the resolution by the eagle is far i go with RIV , if the birds are flying all around i go with a9ii for auto focus .... all in all thought it was fair just more details !!!
There is a real problem with the Sony a7r4 - 200-600mm combo. I get much sharper photos with the a6400 and 200-600mm. There are loads of people complaining about the problem. The 1.2 firmware update help some but no matter what I try - ibis, no ibis, very high shutter speeds, tried it all and just not that sharp. With the a6400 the 200-600mm is very sharp. My a7r4 works great with all my other lenses though.
@@markrigg6623 The tracking and auto focus is spot on with all my other lenses. Just not the 200-600. Yes, I can get sharp shots of static items, But, Sony pushed the 200-600mm as a great combo with the a7riv for birding when it came out. It is just not good for sports and BIF. I get sharper shots with the mc-11 and Canon-Sigma 100-400mm .f/5-6.3 DG OS HSM with BIF on the a7riv.
My R5's no-blackout thing is great, as is animal-eye AF. I'm very happy with the camera overall. Probably a lot happier than the folks at the place that loaned you those lenses are about you slamming them into your trunk...😳
With the A7Riv I also experienced a reduced frame rate at 5 fps BUT I found a parameter that has a great inflence :
That is Tab1 5/15 Priority Set in AF-C
You have 3 choices : AF , Release, Balanced Emphasis
In you switch to Release or Balanced Emphasis you get your 11 frames/sec
I use Balanced Emphasis to have good enough focus.
17:50
$40 000 worth of lenses and not even a cap on the bajonett...
caps are for losers ;-)
No wonder he always complains about sensor dust (without even changing lenses) when they are sat there filling up with dust
They're buffoons, they making all of these (no cap, bumping, making bold statements, etc) to upset you, to watch more videos, to comment, subscribe, to stir the mess. This brings them views and therefore money. That's all about it. If you want to see professional reviews and comparisons, go to Gerald Undone, Dustin Abbott, and Mark Galer.
@@Justin-ny6un haha yea, I got zero dust issues :)
@@n3cph0en1x mad lol
For Sony it should have been the flagship models like A9, A9II or A1 not A7R4 or A7R3.
Right, a9 with 200-600 is a well known “cheap” combo!
Uh - #7:57 you're getting 4 to 5 frames per second? I don't know what you're doing but... *You're Doing It Wrong* Edit: Ah - at 8:50 we discover what you're doing wrong :p You're shooting uncompressed raw. Turn on compression. There is no hit to quality and you'll immediately see the full ~10fps and increase your buffer depth by about half again (~60 shots)
Correct. I have the a7riv and get 10 FPS and I use compressed raw. However there is some lag due to the EVF which is annoying, so for birds in flights I use the the a9 which is much better for fast action. The a9 has no blackout and how it also acquires and sticks to birds in flight much better is great. Larger birds such as geese are ok with the a7riv and the blackout is minimal so it really depends on what you are shooting.
1) There is no blackout on the Sony A7RIV in HI mode instead of HI+ mode, 2) I get, consistently 8fps in HI mode 3) the number of images you get in the buffer is about doubled (60+) if you use Compressed RAW mode 4) while using front shutter open and with mechanical back shutter you get no read-out tearing and, while the shutter is not silent, it is much quieter than most cameras. That said, I do think the Canon R5 has some advantages over the Sony A7RIV, including the 20 vs 8 usable frames per second, better AI for animal/bird tracking (maybe not compared to the Sony A1), and the 800mm f11 (weight more than price as the difference in body price makes up a large chunk or the price difference between the Sony 200-600). Most of the issues you called out on the Sony seem to be just a lack of familiarity with setup for wildlife.
D500 with a 500pf ✅
I prefer the D850, but you got the right idea!
@@garfieldirwin In some ways the D850 is the better choice but in other ways the D500 is the better one.
Curious as to why you didn't use an a9 instead? I don't think too many people use the rIV for wildlife or action primarily for the reasons that you mentioned.
"Got the last one....", as she bangs it against the trunk body. OUCH!
Great review. Nice to see that the d850 holds up so well. The 800mm with r5 is a nice option for good light. Lots of new stuff coming out in 2021 so mirrorless is definitely the way to go when the battery life and Dr improvements come. The glass is really what's critical as it's so expensive.
Food for thought. She said the Sony has an effective frame rate of 5 fps, but longer battery life than the Canon. Then, she said that the Canon gets 20 fps, but has a shorter battery life.
She also said that Canon frame rate drops at around 50-60% battery life. All Canon cameras do this, both DSLR and mirrorless, because it preserves battery life.
I wonder how long the Sony battery would last if it could keep up at 20 fps.
My other comment on this and I'm hoping that Chelsea or Tony respond - I have the R5 and the battery life is extremely good - HOWEVER - if you leave on the Wi-fi or bluetooth for auto file transfer, it then drops significantly . Please check these settings as well. Thanks ! Waiting for the RF 100-500 that I have on order and am also getting that 600 F11 or the 800 F11 . So light and the results look great on every review.
No offense, but I have a Sony A9 with a 200-600 Lens sitting on a gimbal for BIF pictures. I have an A7R3 for higher resolution image. There are people who don't like handholding large lens while taking fast action wildlife images. Some very top wildlife photographers even use gimbals and tripods to get these kind of shots. Some of Chelsea's critiques on these lens is questionable as it is her way of doing photography.
I just love watching Chelsea hold those big lenses..total pro
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the A7RIV almost 3 yrs old? Why not compare the A9II? I don’t understand.
Ok, for all you non-birder Sony shooter, the a9 and a9ii are both 24Mpixels which is not enough. Heavy cropping is a fact of life when birding, and the a9 and a9ii are not comparable to a 45Mpixel camera.
The a7r4 is the current model. Ok, for all you non-birder Sony shooter, the a9 and a9ii are both 24Mpixels which is not enough. Heavy cropping is a fact of life when birding, and the a9 and a9ii are not comparable to a 45Mpixel camera.
“i don’t really like mirrorless for wildlife”
*5 minutes later*
“one of the reasons why i love shooting mirrorless for wildlife is...”
A9II and 600mm f/4 is a zero lag combo, no blackout at up to 20 fps. Wait until March for the A9III though.
2 weeks from now: I am selling my Sony
10 weeks from now: Sony just released the rumored A9R/ IIII, I am selling my Canon and switching to Sony again
I still think that f11 is simply too slow for anything other than midday shooting unless you want to be at a skyhigh iso.
For that reason alone, I'd choose a 150-600 over the f11
I know you didn't but I just wanna imagine you guys drove around with $60k worth of lens - unpadded - in your trunk over rough roads lol
This is why you shouldn't buy used gear from KEH...only people with too much $$$ to burn who don't take care of their gear would take such a hit in selling their used gear...if you want pennies on the $ for your gear KEH is the place!!
@@markrigg6623 just because they're not that fragile doesn't mean you don't want to or shouldn't protect them.
your phone is rated for drops, impacts, dust, water resistance, etc. but you're still careful with it, right? you put it in your pocket by itself (not with keys), you put a skin (SPONSORED BY DBRAND lol) or case on it, maybe a screen protector, etc. you don't just toss it on the counter or or use it with dirty hands.
small bump... lol. you know perfectly well how roads are, plus it's not like you've got the exact conditions of the road perfectly memorized. and even if you did, potholes and minor inconveniences can occur. your body is hardy, why wear a seatbelt? lol.
Hey there, just a suggestion, but maybe you should go back and blur out your license plate.
Mark Smith shoots (fantastically) 7r4 + 200600. I guess he just isn’t at Chelsea’s level... also, you compared 200600 with a teleextender against the non-extended Canon 800. Sigh. Of course it’s AF speed and accuracy suffer slightly.
I agree with Chelsea. Although mirrorless cameras are already so fast in terms of autofocus, when shooting wildlife, it still lacks and not as quick when you try to shoot something suddenly appears, the dslr still grabs shots faster. That’s why although I have a R5 too, I still keep my D500
And the lens goes... BUMP! 😬
I just want to point out a situation.
When you shown the back of your car your license plate number was in clear view which is a security issue. In the future blurr out the plate number for protection and privacy
When you can afford expensive equipment but can’t take good pictures 😂😂😂
:Perfect Example:
I agree. She could have got amazing shots. But I guess for them birds in flight is all that matters :-)
That’s a cheap comment
You like very much showing your cars each time you going out... do you also have the carmaker as sponsor?
Fu.. off
What kind of car should she drive ? With your permission of course.
Every Time You Bumped the lens had me like 😮😅
Good review Chelsea! In regards to battery life on the R5, I added the Canon grip which holds two batteries. Also, I use Canon's brand new battery that has a larger charge capacity. Using the grip with the new batteries solved the battery life issue for me. My EF 600mm F4 lll snaps into focus.
I have a suggestion for a future review. I have been shooting Canon's C-RAW instead of RAW for wildlife. I can tell little difference in post and the file size is reduced by 50%. The smaller files help with FR and buffer capacity. I wish you and/or Tony would review the pros and cons of C-RAW vs RAW.
Then you can buy some "I shoot RAW" t-shirts from Jared Polin.
@@davidho2977 I was going to post the same comment, why complain about battery life when you don't have the battery grip? I bought the grip with my R5 and have not had any battery issues, shot for hours and still a good deal of battery life left.
"Well they're still in there, so that's a good thing" -
that's exactly what I think whenever coming back to my car having left equipment inside 🤣
The gear was out of sight in the trunk, but still you have to wonder.
@@davidho2977 it's always out of sight. Any smart person would not leave them in sight. But still, there can always be random break ins. I try not to leave thousands of $$$$ of equipment in my trunk unless absolutley necessary.
nice comparison...the only question still unanswered: How many frames can I shoot with the R5 till the battery is empty?
Your seamless transitions to KEH commercials reminded of Gracie Allen's seamless transitions to Carnation Evaporated Milk commercials.
I kept thinking of Truman Show
I would have liked to see how the Sony performed with the 200-600 without the teleconverter and also how the A9 is holding up against the R5. Tony showed us before that cropping in post mostly gives better results than using a teleconverter. So I don't get that choice at all. Besides that, great video and I wish I could test all that gear myself. So jealous hahah
200-600mm is much much sharper without the teleconverter.
Awesome work, but hand holding 600mm.....no way, would of been a much better review if you would of at least used a mono-pod
Monopod for rutting stags maybe, not BIF.
why not use the 100-500 canon lense.
*Gets rear-end.
-$60,000
I mean the repairs on an 8 series BMW are probably gonna total more than that camera gear lol
Some tough comments here. Here's a positive one. Nice tip on reprogramming the AE Lock button on the Canon to single point vs. tracking on the AF-On button. I had similar issue to what you described but hadn't thought about reprogramming the AE Lock. Thanks C.!
Would have given it a thumbs up but too many KEH plugs!
The biggest issue with this review is that Chelsea does not know how to set up a Sony camera for wildlife. In fairness this is just as much a result of Sony’s quirkiness as much as Chelsea’s lack of knowledge about those quirks. 1) set the AF-C to HI, not HI+ to prevent blackout. 2) make sure the EVF quality is set to Standard and refresh rate is set to high to get the best wildlife viewing experience on this camera, 3) For high speed action, don’t shoot in silent mode. You will get image tearing due to Sony’s slow scan-out. 4) if you are shooting still subjects like the squirrel, use expand flexible spot tracking unless the squirrel is the closest thing in the center of the viewport. there is no squirrel Eye AF on Sony. 5) I consistently get 8fps using Uncompressed RAW with my A7RIV, but there are a number of settings that will reduce frame rate on Sony. 6) no question the R5 has faster scan-out and better subject acquisition and tracking than the Sony A7RIV. Most Sony users had hoped they would update the A7RIV firmware to include Bird Eye AF. There was a perfect opportunity to do that with the A7RIVA launch, but it does not look like that will happen.
YIKES! I jumped every time you bumped the lenses on the car.
Choosing the Canon 800mm F11 over the Sony 200-600 F5.6-6.3. Is she joking...?
This video is like when Top Gear compared the holy trinity of Supercars.
If your seriously into flying birds or fast moving animals then you can use a dot sight like the one Olympus make and it works great as long as you set it up right. It won't matter about LAG then..
Crying softly for the Z6ii review...
Battery life is usually a lot more than the makers suggest, then it takes only seconds to slip in a fresh one. I photographed motorsport professionally with Canon for years, sometimes I could getaway without a change. One other thing, it seems excessive having a 60mp camera when the lens will only resolve 20-25. The R3 was going to come out with a 100mp sensor, only light gathering, noise, working with gigantic files shuffled it back to something sensible. You don't really need 50mp when the lower count had better dynamic range.