Man not watching or understanding the video is crazy it clearly states nothing will work goku because he is higher dimensional being then a fucking human with limited ability because of that wonder of you hax won’t work on him🤣🤣
This is how it would go: "Hey its me, goku!" *An asteroid hits an old lady, sending her 2 year old Chihuahua flying, which bites a bird, sending them both into a barbershop, which makes the barber drops his clippers, cutting off his left testicle, which makes his scream, scaring a nearby newspaper boy, who drives into the street, causing a car to swerve and crash, sending the back-left tire flying at mach 20 from southern Canada to japan, killing Goku instantly.*
Isn't that basically how wou's ability works? Even things that literally couldn't kill a person somehow just start obliterating people. Wouldn't it just amplify to Goku?
@@The_Wnder_of_UNgl I was a little confused on the scenario you were saying then it popped head that it was the power of Wonder of U. That's funny!😂 Nice job, bro.👏
One minor thing is that when discussing Pikkon and Goku's feat, Heaven and Hell are both in the afterlife which is a realm separated from the living world. So they would've only passed 2 infinite constructs and not 3. Still very impressive.
"hey U look pretty strong for an old man, I can sense some sort of weird ki, wanna fight?" "U don't know me, I'm warning U not to go after me" "Come on, old ma-FUCK ITS RAINING OUTERVERSAL NEEDLESSSS"
@deathxanamon7211 There's a reason boundless is there. Wonder of U is on that Final Destination timing. If you're pursuing the stand or its users. It's curtains and it takes some real convoluted strategy to get around its abilities. The whole universe is out to kill you and stuff that shouldn't hurt a regular human kills them. Like rain drops being able to put bullet holes in you. Eventually something will injure or kill him. Mundane things get amplified tremendously.
Okay but can we stop bringing Pikkon and Goku's feat as an argument? It was a filler. Something that studio came up. We should take only things that was stated by original author, not bunch of people who write fillers about Goku and Piccolo getting driver license.
@@Gwen090 Si quieres decir "Wonder Of U no puede usar a terceros como calamidades", no hubo tantas ocasiones en que volviera hostil a un tercero pero si que lo hizo, por ejemplo cuando hizo que Joshu atacara a Yasuho. Y tambien hay ocasiones en que hizo que habilidades de Stand de terceros mataran o causaran daño accidentalmente. Tecnicamente para la calamidad ""Eres borrado por Zenoh" nisiquiera necesita volver hostil a Zenoh, podria por ejemplo causar que la persona fuera accidentalmente agregada a un borrado que Zenoh haga en ese momento.
@@manuelmadama1636 Si, pero en ese caso afectó a un sujeto más débil, no va a invocar al rey del todo de la nada y lo obligara a hacer lo que él quiera, el poder de Wou no es reality warping solo causa catástrofes a su alrededor. Además, eso que planteas es improbable, el no puede obligar a el poder de otros a afectar lo que el desee, la propia explicación de la calamidad es que el ambiente estará en tu contra, osea solo accidentes que llagarían a ocurrir en la vida cotidiana, el borrado de Zeno no es un acto del ambiente, es el poder de un ser superior a Wou. Si fuera como dices, hubiera controlado el poder de los demás stands en su obra.
@@Gwen090 Quiero mencionar que lo de "alguien más débil" (supongo que te refieres a físicamente) no creo que sea relevante en lo mas mínimo para Wonder Of U, pienso que si en JoJolion hubiera habido un Stand que creaba explosiones atómicas, uno que no se puede desactivar y hace invulnerable al usuario, y otras cosas por el estilo, ninguno sería inmune a ser parte de la calamidad que sufrieran otros (ni a sufrir calamidades ellos mismos) Estoy de acuerdo, no controla a otros... no intencionalmente. Porque no controla la forma que toman las calamidades, eso es algo que se da "naturalmente". Pero Wonder Of U no vuelve solamente "el ambiente" (supongo que ahí quieres decir el terreno y objetos cercanos?) en contra de los que lo trigereen, sino absolutamente todo lo que existe. No elije ni sabe la forma en que van a ser detenidos quienes lo "persiguen", pero no es un caso de "eso puede ser usado, esto no" (excepto cosas que "no existen", como las Go Beyond) En cuanto a lo de controlar otros Stands, también hubo cosas de ese estilo: la burbuja de Soft & Wet que atraviesa a Mamezuku y la que le atraviesa el tobillo a Josuke. No sabemos si esas cosas ocurrieron porque alguna corriente de aire las movió, o si Josuke en esos instantes usó Soft & Wet inconscientemente para moverlas, pero como sea, hizo que una habilidad de Stand se volviera contra ellos (aunque supongo que la del tobillo también es posible que la calamidad haya sido "Josuke patea en un arco que colisiona con una burbuja estática", está abierto a la interpretación si esa burbuja se movió o no)
Wouldn't misfortune find a way for Goku's ki to overload and give him a heart attack or something, or maybe Goku trips on a pebble and his leg explodes? Since calamity works off of Logic, and physical objects logically can't move faster than light and Goku can, then by pure happenstance wouldn't the molecules in the air just pierce through Goku's body at the molecular level if he tried to "speed blitz" WOU?
This wouldn't work for 3 reasons. 1. As i said in the video the ability in itself has a activation and the activation is based on his perception speed/reaction which is FAR lower than goku is able to move 2. wous ability isn't logic related but rather the chain of event is a logical thing that is going to happen. 3. only thing he has been shown to manipulate that moves fast is planes and faster wrould be an assumption in which would be a NLF.
@@MRForca If you would to actually scale WOU's Hax its at least multiuniversal due to the logic behind calamity being the very concept of fate going against it's opponent. Technically speaking literally anything WOULD try and possibly injured or kill Goku due to how the hax works.
@@shriderrad4123His hax is nowhere near universal or any similar tier. Calaminity is also completely different than fate. Do you even know how his ability works?
I don’t even want to debate about who wins and that, the only thing I want to say is you got 2 things wrong, and that is born this way harming wonder of u that is false information, what actually harm wonder of u was josuke hidden bubbles, so that’s number 1. now on to number 2 you say wonder of u says the act of pursuing me is certain to become a several disaster that is sent back to the attacker, and you said he contradicts himself by saying someone or something is able to harm him, what wonder of u says is right nothing can harm him, which is why josuke bubbles is the only one that can, if you pay attention enough no one in jojolion even harm wonder of u only josuke bubbles, cus josuke bubbles is the only one that can bypass wonder of u defense, since you know the bubbles spin to infinity until it hits zero making it out of this world, and only josuke has this ability and no one else does, so thats number 2. I was going to make a number 3, but I’m to tired for this, so that’s all I have to say.
-Caracters with immeasurable speed can time travel at will (which goku can't do because he relies on the time machine or whiss to do that) - A character with immeasurable speed wouldn't rely on something as basic as teleportation. -Characters with speed immeasurable they can survive without oxygen (since these can be without space or time, which means that there is no oxygen either) and goku cannot breathe in space (it was said again in the Moro saga and in his fight with beerus vegeta says that they are still in the earth's atmosphere since being outside the planet does not mean leaving its atmosphere automatically) -According to vsbattlewiki you cannot scale in that way a character who literally depends on multipliers to increase his power (if you have infinite power how do you multiply it by 50? it doesn't make sense) -Don't take metaphors or superficial things like titles or names of chapters to scale (since in that case goku is officially the son of destiny because this is mentioned in one chapter) -Use scans from the manga , for a reason it is the canon and the only thing that matters.
wrong, literally vegeta and nappa were outside the space pod and destroyed a planet which debunks all ur claims of saiyans not being able to breath in space, also goku has immeasurable speed but not in base form he has to go SSb to have immeasurable speed since against hit and in T.O.P he had proofs of having immeasurable speed
@@fullonrandomgaming start thinking if goku has infinite speed he won't travel with a time machine or universe 7 angel and he should also have infinite power and he doesn't if he has infinite power he won't train and he there would be infinite transformations or he would become ssj infinite
Idek if you're still considering arguments, but the intent to pursue isn't the only cutoff. Calamity also procs on convenience, you kinda neglected to mention how Wonder of U threw a piece of plane at Yasuho BEFORE she ever did anything, which also means he has some direct control over his calamity. Tooru was assured that she would die if he didn't get the plant in this moment so I feel like that backs it up further Also in terms of Speed, Wonder of U can be argued for various things. It can either be just the average walking speed all the way up to outright teleportation. You can see him walk around a corner and next thing you know, he's inside your laptop. We've also seen multiple instances of WoU creating multiple instances of itself which may also mean it can be in multiple places at the same time.
1. point you made im pretty sure i brought it up in this video or another one. im not disagreeing with the fact that tooru can control the calamity itself im pretty sure thats the narrative i push. 2nd point you made is still him simply being able to move around and teleportation is an ability
@@MRForca its seemingly passive nonetheless. It's not like Goku's immediately going to catch that, I don't remember the last time he ever did catch a new move on the first time he saw it.
@@arkkon2740 Which is one of the few stronger calamities. Goku, who survived attacks from moon busters as a kid, is not getting harmed by a falling plane door. 💀
I Disagree! Wonder Of U is like 5D because he could manipulate The Corpse Parts and Tusk Act 4 when he killed Johnny Jostar with the Flow Of Calamity and the Flow Of Calamity was still able to protect Wonder Of U from Go Beyond! Google said Goku is at least 4D....I'm not saying I agree to this but there's enough proof out there to say that The Flow Of Calamity could work because it's Scaling! Now now that The Scaling for Wonder Of U is on the same lv as Goku it should be able to kill Goku!👍🤔
@@Epremte The Flow Of Calamity has a cause and effect on the way it works and attack that follows logic and reason will simply not hit Wonder Of U even if there Scaling is higher theoretically speaking. Only an Attack that doesn't even exist is able to touch Wonder Of U so does Goku have any attacks that literary doesn't exist? The Flow Of Calamity is not only a Fate Manipulation but also Logic Manipulation. I don't think that we have ever seen Goku being literally immune to concepts before so The Flow Of Calamity should work on him in my opinion.👍
Let me break it down to you, No matter how strong goku gets, the calamity defence of Wou is too strong to break through Rules of Calamity is gives worst luck whoever is pursuing him so if goku tries to attack or charge up and aim at Wou or Tooru, Goku will die among millions of way on the spot because Wou's Calamity breaks logic itself so Tooru and Wou is high dimensional character so if goku want to harm goku, he needs to attack with something that breaks logic (which cartoon characters do, like making a wooden hammer humongous with no explanation) so Goku vs Wonder of U is not even a debate, Wou takes the W
U Clearly haven’t watched the vid have u? anyways, ur take is bad. There are better goku scales than this one but this scale alone proves That goku would Demolish WOU
@jajo6646 and u haven't watched jojo and didn't researched about WOU, goku can't even get single inch closer to Wou, get him past Cheap Trick then we will talk💀
@@Songoku-dm4nd calamity breaks logic itself so it can cause millions of different ways of dying, calamity will not go away until the pursuer is dead, wou wipes
Technically since wonder of U would not benefit from attacking Goku first and MUI Goku would be like reacting to wonder of U, wouldn't it just be a stalemate where each of them is waiting for the other to attack first? Cos Goku prob wouldn't try to attack WOU first with his BIQ
Goku isnt the type to immediately pop a transformation so I doubt it would get to this point. Even if he does there's still stamina, and Akefu might just walk away if Goku just stands there waiting for some reason.
@@arkkon2740 calamity/misfortune is something that affects all things. So calamity or misfortune. However you wanna call it. Will throw something at goku that he cannot avoid/block.
Wonder of u is the concept of calamity. Its an omnipresent concept as siad to exist in every univurse. So he would easily outspeed him. Now for power wonder of u also takes it as he was stated to be the strongest villain in jojo. That invludes love train and bohemian rhapsody. Who let me remind you was able to control fiction to and extent maybe even without limit. That aside love train was stated to trancend dimanions and mathemimateical dimenions. And we saw how tusk act 4 no diffed love train. This is importsnt because the curse that killed johnny was comfirmed to be calamity. So wonder of u already scales wayyyyy beyond tusk who already scaled wayyyyyyy beyond love train. Even josukes attack which is quite literaly stronger than hakai because of its concept attacking ability didnt even compelty kill wonder of u as like said before represents a concept of bad luck/calamity that exists in infinite univurses. So imo he would not only kill goku before he could transform because realistically goku would die before that but even at his max he wont be able to block calamity.
Araki said Calamities are the strongest stand ability, it means calamities trascend the fate as calamities are beyond ger (Goku dosent) and calamities are beyond love train wich is multiversal. "But base goku is multiversal" give me base goku multiversal feats and Goku cant be outer since Zeno is low multiversal and he is much stronger than goku. Spoiler: Goku moving in a place whitout time a space is a debunked highball and he havent immesurable speed. And remember that wou is beyond fate while Goku isnt
I don't i want to listen to this the sound bro but im gonna say if you think WoU lose to goku the calamity on WoU really depends on how strong the target is any intention to harm or pursued tooru calamity will activate automatically even after the user death the stand will still exist and for example WoU could just make the target heart stop beating and thats it
I really don't know if they try to explain WoU power here or they just try explain every detail or debunking WoU power so that convince Goku would even have a chance against the stand
@@davidkristian7897 Goku never goes full power until he thinks a fights interesting. And he'd already get one shot by a hairspray can before that could happen.
explaining WOU: *doesn't even say the info right* explaining goku: *gives him feats he never even show, sometimes not even stated* *especially saying jiren speed trancends time, when he should be invisible to goku, since it'll mean he's faster than light. it's how he took the statement from WOU and said he never showed those feats true, and then took stated feats for jiren, that weren't even shown.
Okay but he has no reason to be bloodthirsty so there's no reason to bring that up. I can also add things onto JoJo charcters that would make them win, but that wouldn't be a fair debate cause now I'm changing the characters.
Why are we comparing a higher dimensional being to someone whos not even planetary? No matter what abilities you have you are getting speedblitzed and one shot
@@Yakonsupremacy Funny Valentine is said that transcend the cosmology which is a tegmark type 4 multiverse which can be scaled anywhere from Outer-boundless WoU is canonically stronger then That so tell me again who is transcending who? The complex multiversal fodder or the outer to boundless being that exists across infinite universes?
in a real fight, WOU destroys Goku. Why ? Just because if goku wants to deal with him, he has to use MUI or hakai (even if i think that couldn't work cuz he doesn't master it), whereas in a true battle, Goku fights normally and more the fight continue, more he would add strenght with his transformations. In a fight, Goku is not smart enough to understand calamity laws, so he would die by thinking to defeat him without having the time to use hakai or MUI. Conclusion : He can beat WOU, but in a real fight, he cannot It's my opinion so if you want to argue or just to tell your opinion, you can
Goku would not even be effected by anything WOU throws at him since goku lowballed is complex multiversal with infinite speed and we highball he is outeversal+ with immeasurable speed so yea
@@puppet_master2486 i don't understand what you say. Lowball ? does that mean that his balls are empty and high balls it's when he put all he had in Chichi ? ENglish is not my native langage sorry
People need to understand Giorno is strongest in the whole Jojo Verse... Calamity cant scale up to it... Giorno can literally do the same when he put Diavolo in death loop... diavolo keep dying by random shit just like how calamity feats are
@@fizyfizy9638 Everything is canon due to infinite universes meaning infinite possibilities, even if game dio specifically isn't canon, there IS a canon dio out there with over heaven. Also he wouldent solo goku cause goku would speed blitz him before he could touch goku with his fist, point isnt that he beats goku, but that he beats ger, cause he literally did it.
wonder of u is completely immortal, the only thing you can kill is tooru but its "WOU vs Goku" and not "Tooru VS Goku", WOU is a concept and cannot be killed whatsoever
Goku: "hey you look stro-"
Heart Virus: "Hello old Friend"
Wonder of U
Man not watching or understanding the video is crazy it clearly states nothing will work goku because he is higher dimensional being then a fucking human with limited ability because of that wonder of you hax won’t work on him🤣🤣
This is how it would go:
"Hey its me, goku!"
*An asteroid hits an old lady, sending her 2 year old Chihuahua flying, which bites a bird, sending them both into a barbershop, which makes the barber drops his clippers, cutting off his left testicle, which makes his scream, scaring a nearby newspaper boy, who drives into the street, causing a car to swerve and crash, sending the back-left tire flying at mach 20 from southern Canada to japan, killing Goku instantly.*
Nah this is funny af 😭
Isn't that basically how wou's ability works? Even things that literally couldn't kill a person somehow just start obliterating people. Wouldn't it just amplify to Goku?
if I remember correctly didn't like a pebble almost blow jouske's foot off?
@@bork7817 Nigga an AIRPLANE EMERGENCY DOOR damn near packed up the pink girl
@@The_Wnder_of_UNgl I was a little confused on the scenario you were saying then it popped head that it was the power of Wonder of U. That's funny!😂
Nice job, bro.👏
One minor thing is that when discussing Pikkon and Goku's feat, Heaven and Hell are both in the afterlife which is a realm separated from the living world. So they would've only passed 2 infinite constructs and not 3. Still very impressive.
"hey U look pretty strong for an old man, I can sense some sort of weird ki, wanna fight?"
"U don't know me, I'm warning U not to go after me"
"Come on, old ma-FUCK ITS RAINING OUTERVERSAL NEEDLESSSS"
Goku: thinking a toru looks strong
WOU: Comically boundless piano falls out of plane and on goku
Edit. All of you are nerds who can't take a joke 💀
And the piano breaks on goku's head, with goku barely feeling it
@deathxanamon7211 There's a reason boundless is there. Wonder of U is on that Final Destination timing. If you're pursuing the stand or its users. It's curtains and it takes some real convoluted strategy to get around its abilities. The whole universe is out to kill you and stuff that shouldn't hurt a regular human kills them. Like rain drops being able to put bullet holes in you. Eventually something will injure or kill him. Mundane things get amplified tremendously.
@@THENemesisXX99 Oh boundless, I somehow read it as bounces
@@THENemesisXX99 my bad
@@THENemesisXX99bad argument very debunkable lol. Lets debate
Can you go over star platnium vs Goku as well, I'd like to see how that match up would go
Literally writing the script as we speak
Star Platinum and Goku literally just aren't on the same level of strength it's one sided towards Goku
@@MMMMM-b1t agreed. jojo is my favourite anime but i have to admit goku is stronger
How bout star platinum over heaven?
I am a JoJo fan and I know for a fact that Goku obliterates star platinum
Bro turn your mic up, cant even tell if its a discussion or not
The green jelly bean dude got a shitty mic but this guy isn’t that quiet turn up your volume
Okay but can we stop bringing Pikkon and Goku's feat as an argument? It was a filler. Something that studio came up. We should take only things that was stated by original author, not bunch of people who write fillers about Goku and Piccolo getting driver license.
That’s actually canon…it’s in the manga
It’s canon to the Z anime and GT continuities, not the DBS continuity
@@jocoolshow no. Goku and piccolo driving cars is canon. It’s in the manga. Super is a continuation of the Z story…
Goku: "hey you look stro-"
WoU: *somehow causes Goku to be erased by Zeno*
Asi no funciona el poder de Wou
@@Gwen090 Si quieres decir "Wonder Of U no puede usar a terceros como calamidades", no hubo tantas ocasiones en que volviera hostil a un tercero pero si que lo hizo, por ejemplo cuando hizo que Joshu atacara a Yasuho. Y tambien hay ocasiones en que hizo que habilidades de Stand de terceros mataran o causaran daño accidentalmente.
Tecnicamente para la calamidad ""Eres borrado por Zenoh" nisiquiera necesita volver hostil a Zenoh, podria por ejemplo causar que la persona fuera accidentalmente agregada a un borrado que Zenoh haga en ese momento.
@@manuelmadama1636 Si, pero en ese caso afectó a un sujeto más débil, no va a invocar al rey del todo de la nada y lo obligara a hacer lo que él quiera, el poder de Wou no es reality warping solo causa catástrofes a su alrededor.
Además, eso que planteas es improbable, el no puede obligar a el poder de otros a afectar lo que el desee, la propia explicación de la calamidad es que el ambiente estará en tu contra, osea solo accidentes que llagarían a ocurrir en la vida cotidiana, el borrado de Zeno no es un acto del ambiente, es el poder de un ser superior a Wou.
Si fuera como dices, hubiera controlado el poder de los demás stands en su obra.
@@manuelmadama1636 Incluyendo que con puros hax superiores ya te haces a wou.
@@Gwen090 Quiero mencionar que lo de "alguien más débil" (supongo que te refieres a físicamente) no creo que sea relevante en lo mas mínimo para Wonder Of U, pienso que si en JoJolion hubiera habido un Stand que creaba explosiones atómicas, uno que no se puede desactivar y hace invulnerable al usuario, y otras cosas por el estilo, ninguno sería inmune a ser parte de la calamidad que sufrieran otros (ni a sufrir calamidades ellos mismos)
Estoy de acuerdo, no controla a otros... no intencionalmente. Porque no controla la forma que toman las calamidades, eso es algo que se da "naturalmente". Pero Wonder Of U no vuelve solamente "el ambiente" (supongo que ahí quieres decir el terreno y objetos cercanos?) en contra de los que lo trigereen, sino absolutamente todo lo que existe. No elije ni sabe la forma en que van a ser detenidos quienes lo "persiguen", pero no es un caso de "eso puede ser usado, esto no" (excepto cosas que "no existen", como las Go Beyond)
En cuanto a lo de controlar otros Stands, también hubo cosas de ese estilo: la burbuja de Soft & Wet que atraviesa a Mamezuku y la que le atraviesa el tobillo a Josuke. No sabemos si esas cosas ocurrieron porque alguna corriente de aire las movió, o si Josuke en esos instantes usó Soft & Wet inconscientemente para moverlas, pero como sea, hizo que una habilidad de Stand se volviera contra ellos (aunque supongo que la del tobillo también es posible que la calamidad haya sido "Josuke patea en un arco que colisiona con una burbuja estática", está abierto a la interpretación si esa burbuja se movió o no)
Wonder of U is just gonna give goku testicular torsion
YOOOOO omg 😭
Wouldn't misfortune find a way for Goku's ki to overload and give him a heart attack or something, or maybe Goku trips on a pebble and his leg explodes? Since calamity works off of Logic, and physical objects logically can't move faster than light and Goku can, then by pure happenstance wouldn't the molecules in the air just pierce through Goku's body at the molecular level if he tried to "speed blitz" WOU?
This wouldn't work for 3 reasons.
1. As i said in the video the ability in itself has a activation and the activation is based on his perception speed/reaction which is FAR lower than goku is able to move
2. wous ability isn't logic related but rather the chain of event is a logical thing that is going to happen.
3. only thing he has been shown to manipulate that moves fast is planes and faster wrould be an assumption in which would be a NLF.
@@MRForca If you would to actually scale WOU's Hax its at least multiuniversal due to the logic behind calamity being the very concept of fate going against it's opponent. Technically speaking literally anything WOULD try and possibly injured or kill Goku due to how the hax works.
@@shriderrad4123His hax is nowhere near universal or any similar tier. Calaminity is also completely different than fate. Do you even know how his ability works?
@@BOEGVELD Calamity is literally a concept that excels through universel, so yeah you're right there.
@@shriderrad4123 It doesn't. You clearly have no idea how his ability works.
Staying on the trend
Goku vs Funny Valentine next Worca?
Making it ltaer yes
I don’t even want to debate about who wins and that, the only thing I want to say is you got 2 things wrong, and that is born this way harming wonder of u that is false information, what actually harm wonder of u was josuke hidden bubbles, so that’s number 1. now on to number 2 you say wonder of u says the act of pursuing me is certain to become a several disaster that is sent back to the attacker, and you said he contradicts himself by saying someone or something is able to harm him, what wonder of u says is right nothing can harm him, which is why josuke bubbles is the only one that can, if you pay attention enough no one in jojolion even harm wonder of u only josuke bubbles, cus josuke bubbles is the only one that can bypass wonder of u defense, since you know the bubbles spin to infinity until it hits zero making it out of this world, and only josuke has this ability and no one else does, so thats number 2. I was going to make a number 3, but I’m to tired for this, so that’s all I have to say.
Amazing video I like how consistent you have been
More to come!
how would goku be able to kill wonder of u tho? like hes logic its self and after it dies it like regens back
-Caracters with immeasurable speed can time travel at will (which goku can't do because he relies on the time machine or whiss to do that)
- A character with immeasurable speed wouldn't rely on something as basic as teleportation.
-Characters with speed immeasurable they can survive without oxygen (since these can be without space or time, which means that there is no oxygen either) and goku cannot breathe in space (it was said again in the Moro saga and in his fight with beerus vegeta says that they are still in the earth's atmosphere since being outside the planet does not mean leaving its atmosphere automatically)
-According to vsbattlewiki you cannot scale in that way a character who literally depends on multipliers to increase his power (if you have infinite power how do you multiply it by 50? it doesn't make sense)
-Don't take metaphors or superficial things like titles or names of chapters to scale (since in that case goku is officially the son of destiny because this is mentioned in one chapter)
-Use scans from the manga , for a reason it is the canon and the only thing that matters.
wrong, literally vegeta and nappa were outside the space pod and destroyed a planet which debunks all ur claims of saiyans not being able to breath in space, also goku has immeasurable speed but not in base form he has to go SSb to have immeasurable speed since against hit and in T.O.P he had proofs of having immeasurable speed
@@puppet_master2486 That's literally an inconsistency 💀 that doesn't debunk crap bruh
>vs battles wiki
lmao bro learn to think for yourself site has been getting worse and worse each year
💀
@@fullonrandomgaming start thinking if goku has infinite speed he won't travel with a time machine or universe 7 angel and he should also have infinite power and he doesn't if he has infinite power he won't train and he there would be infinite transformations or he would become ssj infinite
W video. Can you do a video about Esdeath from Akame ga kill vs DIO Brando?
Sure ill try
Idek if you're still considering arguments, but the intent to pursue isn't the only cutoff. Calamity also procs on convenience, you kinda neglected to mention how Wonder of U threw a piece of plane at Yasuho BEFORE she ever did anything, which also means he has some direct control over his calamity. Tooru was assured that she would die if he didn't get the plant in this moment so I feel like that backs it up further
Also in terms of Speed, Wonder of U can be argued for various things. It can either be just the average walking speed all the way up to outright teleportation. You can see him walk around a corner and next thing you know, he's inside your laptop. We've also seen multiple instances of WoU creating multiple instances of itself which may also mean it can be in multiple places at the same time.
1. point you made im pretty sure i brought it up in this video or another one. im not disagreeing with the fact that tooru can control the calamity itself im pretty sure thats the narrative i push. 2nd point you made is still him simply being able to move around and teleportation is an ability
@@MRForca its seemingly passive nonetheless. It's not like Goku's immediately going to catch that, I don't remember the last time he ever did catch a new move on the first time he saw it.
The calamities are garbage though. Pretty much anyone above average human level would be able to resist them.
@@BOEGVELD a dude got clocked by a plane door flying at them at like 90 kilometers per hour, i dont think an above average human is surviving that
@@arkkon2740 Which is one of the few stronger calamities. Goku, who survived attacks from moon busters as a kid, is not getting harmed by a falling plane door. 💀
Bro, did you forget my request
Luz(the owl house) vs anne(amphibia)
Bro. Idek what those are 😭 drop another request and I’ll make that my priority after the 2 new vids I’m editing. I promise
U ride goku soo hard its crazy both giorno and wonder of u solo u didnt prove anything u cant beat their clamaities
W video Forca would do it again (Pls help me, he has a gun)
How it would actually go:
Hey it’s me goku you look awfully strong let’s fi… (dies from heart attack)
WOU no difs
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Bro hasn't read part 8. 💀
So does that mean tanjiro with selfless state could defeat WOU theoredically? 🤔
hell naw
Hmm maybe
yes!
Wdym ?
He still will be approaching WOU or Tooru.
FACTS BRO FACTS I AGREE BRO
I Disagree!
Wonder Of U is like 5D because he could manipulate The Corpse Parts and Tusk Act 4 when he killed Johnny Jostar with the Flow Of Calamity and the Flow Of Calamity was still able to protect Wonder Of U from Go Beyond!
Google said Goku is at least 4D....I'm not saying I agree to this but there's enough proof out there to say that The Flow Of Calamity could work because it's Scaling!
Now now that The Scaling for Wonder Of U is on the same lv as Goku it should be able to kill Goku!👍🤔
It's like as if you didn't even watch the video 💀
@@Epremte
To be honest I haven't yet I'm like caught up with paperwork right now 😅
Wou could just give goku a heart virus lmao.
@@Epremte
The Flow Of Calamity has a cause and effect on the way it works and attack that follows logic and reason will simply not hit Wonder Of U even if there Scaling is higher theoretically speaking.
Only an Attack that doesn't even exist is able to touch Wonder Of U so does Goku have any attacks that literary doesn't exist?
The Flow Of Calamity is not only a Fate Manipulation but also Logic Manipulation.
I don't think that we have ever seen Goku being literally immune to concepts before so The Flow Of Calamity should work on him in my opinion.👍
@@TheProphetLotdies and comes back lmao.
WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT GOKUS FEET
Let me break it down to you,
No matter how strong goku gets, the calamity defence of Wou is too strong to break through
Rules of Calamity is gives worst luck whoever is pursuing him so if goku tries to attack or charge up and aim at Wou or Tooru, Goku will die among millions of way on the spot because Wou's Calamity breaks logic itself so Tooru and Wou is high dimensional character so if goku want to harm goku, he needs to attack with something that breaks logic (which cartoon characters do, like making a wooden hammer humongous with no explanation) so Goku vs Wonder of U is not even a debate, Wou takes the W
U Clearly haven’t watched the vid have u? anyways, ur take is bad. There are better goku scales than this one but this scale alone proves That goku would Demolish WOU
@jajo6646 and u haven't watched jojo and didn't researched about WOU, goku can't even get single inch closer to Wou, get him past Cheap Trick then we will talk💀
@@jajofru have xeno midku pfp lil bro u have no right to comment
i mean its stated calamity is bounded by a universe which means the limit of it is uni which goku can tank without even moving
goku solos@@MaksIsLazyy
@@Songoku-dm4nd calamity breaks logic itself so it can cause millions of different ways of dying, calamity will not go away until the pursuer is dead, wou wipes
why do you only have 649 subs
Unlucky I guess 🤷♂️
Good video but sadly they’re both Author victims.
Technically since wonder of U would not benefit from attacking Goku first and MUI Goku would be like reacting to wonder of U, wouldn't it just be a stalemate where each of them is waiting for the other to attack first? Cos Goku prob wouldn't try to attack WOU first with his BIQ
Goku isnt the type to immediately pop a transformation so I doubt it would get to this point. Even if he does there's still stamina, and Akefu might just walk away if Goku just stands there waiting for some reason.
@@arkkon2740 calamity/misfortune is something that affects all things. So calamity or misfortune. However you wanna call it. Will throw something at goku that he cannot avoid/block.
Wonder of u is the concept of calamity. Its an omnipresent concept as siad to exist in every univurse. So he would easily outspeed him.
Now for power wonder of u also takes it as he was stated to be the strongest villain in jojo. That invludes love train and bohemian rhapsody. Who let me remind you was able to control fiction to and extent maybe even without limit. That aside love train was stated to trancend dimanions and mathemimateical dimenions. And we saw how tusk act 4 no diffed love train. This is importsnt because the curse that killed johnny was comfirmed to be calamity. So wonder of u already scales wayyyyy beyond tusk who already scaled wayyyyyyy beyond love train. Even josukes attack which is quite literaly stronger than hakai because of its concept attacking ability didnt even compelty kill wonder of u as like said before represents a concept of bad luck/calamity that exists in infinite univurses.
So imo he would not only kill goku before he could transform because realistically goku would die before that but even at his max he wont be able to block calamity.
Araki said Calamities are the strongest stand ability, it means calamities trascend the fate as calamities are beyond ger (Goku dosent) and calamities are beyond love train wich is multiversal. "But base goku is multiversal" give me base goku multiversal feats and Goku cant be outer since Zeno is low multiversal and he is much stronger than goku. Spoiler: Goku moving in a place whitout time a space is a debunked highball and he havent immesurable speed. And remember that wou is beyond fate while Goku isnt
Lol when is Zeno low multi 💀💀💀 watch dbs cosmology fight
@@rainvelasquez9905 scale Zeno above low multi then
Him erasing all reality in trunks future timeline
@@buddyswithmesorrynaaaaaaaaaah he ereased a universe. Universal feat and we dont even know if he ereased every universe
And wou is above low multi
Wou hits thru any defence and all but Josuke can’t kill tooru by them selfs bc of calamity influance stops them firm killing him no matter what
*Light particle and anti-matter instantly destroying the Quantum field around goku’s body and energy, immediately killing goku*
Goku pudo resistir un Hakai.
La antimateria no es nada.
Dude you should do soft and wet go beyond vs goku
working on a massive video right now. literally gonna record the audio but after tghatr i will
Bubble slow :(
I ate a cat
I will eat another
@@bDe4d no I actually did eat one this is not a meme
What did it taste like
@@Friendlymemer it was like a mix of chicken and pork I suppose
@@KaquixYou're eating the cats. You're eating the dogs.
I don't i want to listen to this the sound bro but im gonna say if you think WoU lose to goku the calamity on WoU really depends on how strong the target is any intention to harm or pursued tooru calamity will activate automatically even after the user death the stand will still exist and for example WoU could just make the target heart stop beating and thats it
I really don't know if they try to explain WoU power here or they just try explain every detail or debunking WoU power so that convince Goku would even have a chance against the stand
From the void
Overall Goku would just outscale completely, its not even a debate
Goku gets clapped
WOU gives Goku a testicular torsion.
@@ShaquiifaMUI claps
@@davidkristian7897 Goku never goes full power until he thinks a fights interesting. And he'd already get one shot by a hairspray can before that could happen.
You can't out scale bad luck. He'd trip over a pebble and smash his head into the ground.
explaining WOU: *doesn't even say the info right*
explaining goku: *gives him feats he never even show, sometimes not even stated*
*especially saying jiren speed trancends time, when he should be invisible to goku, since it'll mean he's faster than light.
it's how he took the statement from WOU and said he never showed those feats true, and then took stated feats for jiren, that weren't even shown.
watchj my 2nd newset vid. i literally go in-depth
I assume Goku Hakais as usual?
No as Wou Just Redirects it or make it miss
Goku when he tries to attack Wonder of u but dies from severe heart attack because of Goku breathing an extra molecule of Oxygen
He hakai himself because of WoU
@@UncleMerlin accidently hakkais himself*
W video as always man
they nullify, ki when being stronger.
finally someone debunks people saying that wou would beat goku
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@@MRForcaI don't have any jk
he would easily
Respectfully get a new mic I can barely hear you 😭
The most optimistic goku fan
you've not seen a single video of mine have you 😇
Bro is a goku simp wonder of you slams
if goku was bloodthirsty for every jojo character they would be blitzed
Okay but he has no reason to be bloodthirsty so there's no reason to bring that up. I can also add things onto JoJo charcters that would make them win, but that wouldn't be a fair debate cause now I'm changing the characters.
Joe biden solos goku 💀💀💀💀
Fr Biden blast
All Goku would have to do is go up a flight of stairs and Biden is finished
@genericwhitemale9566 yeah but Biden knows Instant transmission (he just forgor💀)
Why are we comparing a higher dimensional being to someone whos not even planetary? No matter what abilities you have you are getting speedblitzed and one shot
Um goku isn’t higher dimensional the funny thing is WoU is the higher dimensional one here
@@Bob-x1r yes goku is and no wou isnt. Otherworld transcends dimensions, goku can destroy otherworld. Pretty simple. And wou has no feats of doing so
@@Yakonsupremacy Funny Valentine is said that transcend the cosmology which is a tegmark type 4 multiverse which can be scaled anywhere from Outer-boundless WoU is canonically stronger then That so tell me again who is transcending who? The complex multiversal fodder or the outer to boundless being that exists across infinite universes?
@@Bob-x1r are you serious 💀 can you give me a scan for anything you have just stated. There is no way you actually think im gonna fall for that 😭
@ I Surprisingly can give you a scan for everything I just said right now
forca, why can't u just admit that goku slaps jojos around like a ragdoll
Because WOU wins.
@@hyrrfthfrhyh goku obliterates fiction
@@indrx1709 Jesus obliterates Goku.
@@hyrrfthfrhyh I said fiction
@@indrx1709Jesus is in JoJo.
Yes it can
in a real fight, WOU destroys Goku.
Why ? Just because if goku wants to deal with him, he has to use MUI or hakai (even if i think that couldn't work cuz he doesn't master it), whereas in a true battle, Goku fights normally and more the fight continue, more he would add strenght with his transformations.
In a fight, Goku is not smart enough to understand calamity laws, so he would die by thinking to defeat him without having the time to use hakai or MUI.
Conclusion : He can beat WOU, but in a real fight, he cannot
It's my opinion so if you want to argue or just to tell your opinion, you can
Maybe there are some things that Jaq said that i didn''t listen or understand, english is not my native langage
Goku would not even be effected by anything WOU throws at him since goku lowballed is complex multiversal with infinite speed and we highball he is outeversal+ with immeasurable speed so yea
@@puppet_master2486 i don't understand what you say. Lowball ? does that mean that his balls are empty and high balls it's when he put all he had in Chichi ?
ENglish is not my native langage sorry
@@puppet_master2486 Goku does not have infinite speed. MFTL yes not infinite.
@@SovereignAbyssalwatch the video imo
Goku is not beyond finite speeds
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People need to understand Giorno is strongest in the whole Jojo Verse...
Calamity cant scale up to it...
Giorno can literally do the same when he put Diavolo in death loop...
diavolo keep dying by random shit just like how calamity feats are
Well there is over heaven dio, and since there are infinite universes in the jojo verse, technically its canon.
@@dattos140 its not canon...
But if you want to say he solos dbs goku then yes
@@fizyfizy9638TWOH is canon, but only due to diavolo dies in EOH. It still takes place in a separate universe from the main series
@@fizyfizy9638 Everything is canon due to infinite universes meaning infinite possibilities, even if game dio specifically isn't canon, there IS a canon dio out there with over heaven.
Also he wouldent solo goku cause goku would speed blitz him before he could touch goku with his fist, point isnt that he beats goku, but that he beats ger, cause he literally did it.
@@bork7817 its not canon even to the manga its a game stop dragging twoh into the manga
Make something other than Jojo content
No.
that's it? just no?
Yes
This guy gets it
Doesn't matter takamura solos both
U can hurt wonder of U but to completely kill him you'd need to be beyond logic right?
Unless ur a stand user... But i mean... You gotta get to him in the first place
wonder of u is completely immortal, the only thing you can kill is tooru but its "WOU vs Goku" and not "Tooru VS Goku", WOU is a concept and cannot be killed whatsoever
I disagree but still nice video
get jjba verse past 5D while Goku is inf dimensional
No he isn't. When has that ever been stated? What does that even mean?
Pucci vs gojo
Why did google translate Pucci to pucci. Bro uncorrected your grammar.
Remember he has a virus that almost killed goku in dragon ball z so wonder of u slams goku+ all dragon ball
Gappy Solos
dragon ball human victim not even a debate 🗿
Base goku one shot the verse
Denial. Drink more copium
saitama negs midball cry
@@ButterdogGodsaitama gets one tapped by yamcha, stop overrating foddertama
I disagree Highway Star claps all of Dbz. Tree on Sugar mountain solo all of Dbz.
both gets blitz by kid goku@@borninaworldofstriveaganis8432
Goku is not beyond finite speeds
yea