As a former police officer I always messured from the tip to the end of the sharp area of the blade. What I would take into consideration is the part of the blade that could do damage or cut not the dull area.
That's cool, and I'm all for officer discretion, but it sucks relying on it. IE: My friend is NYPD, recently retired. I asked him about such stuff...."up state, most cops don't care, and you'll be fine"...well, what if I get the one that does care?..."That's legal in the city, but most of these cops don't know, and they'll arrest you anyway and let the judge figure it out"...sigh
@@robertmoran7024 I don't know how it is in new York but in South Florida is open carry. The length 4 inches is for some one carrying a conceal knife, on the other hand 99 percent of the time you won't be bothered unless you were involved in something.
Hello DCA. I just wanted to give you a little update. A short while ago I asked you for an advice on an upgrade for my douk-douk as a secondary blade on my outdoor adventures. You recommended me a delica or endela, choices i would have never gone for because i don't really like the looks and, i guess, because i like to dislike what everybody likes. Anyways, i followed your advice somewhat unconvinced, and i must tell you that you were so very right ! That delica is just perfect for that intended purpose. So, thank you very much Sir, you are even more knowledgable than i thought ! Also, i told you it'd be great if the knife you adviced for could strike a firesteel and you told me the delica would be easily modified. Well, no need for modifications my friend, the gimping part throws sparks just fine ! Thanks again ! JBD
Well according to the bill of rights, we get to own nukes. Not even joking. The second amendment says "arms", and that is a military word that literally means every offensive and defensive weapon of the military.
And I should point out that the phrase keep and bare arms, has nothing to do with carrying things around with you. It means you can own it, without having to hide it away from the government so they don't know you own it. Carrying is absolutely a state's right.
Yeah, I missed the part in the second amendment where it said keep and bear certain arms only at home. Hopefully the states make their laws clear so that felons can exercise due diligence and measure their knives.
@@cbbyers Fortunately I live in a state that is fairly lenient with gun/knife laws. That said, even when I travel I keep my EDC intact, and can count on 0 fingers how many times I've been asked about the length of the knife clipped to my pocket.
Politician: I'm going to destroy this rifle by cutting it into pieces. BATFE: You cut the barrel first. That's construction of an SBR without a tax stamp. Prison for you!
It's stupid in bolth cases. A knife doesn't get more dangerous with size because surprise attacks are most common with knives. A sbr is a lot less deadly than a full size rifle it's just harder to find.
@@greygoblin9491 I kinda see the point on SBR's, being able to fit one in a backpack kinda changes things...of course pistol braces kinda made that a moot point.
@@arrowheadguys7637 if i wanted to kill someone i could use a stapler. If they had a shotgun on a sling behind them I'd have second, third, and fourth thoughts.
In the UK the legislation defines “sharpened cutting edge”, but we have a common law system that is open to judicial abuse. A lazy judge decided that was too hard so just took tip to start of the handle. It set a precedent and it became the law!
Our law here in Alabama is crazy. You can carry any knife but a Bowie. Which leaves lots of knives to carry. Like autos, flippers , daggers, OTF, gravity,. .....you get the idea.
Where I am in Australia we're lucky in that blade length is not an issue. Our legislation focuses on why you are in possession of the knife (which definitely has its own problems - for example, self defence is NOT a lawful reason for carrying a knife). So carrying a 4 inch blade for work is perfectly legal, but carrying a 1 inch blade for no specific reason is illegal. Thankfully we only have 8 police forces in Australia so compliance is only an issue when you cross a state border.
I've seen this already, just a snippet of a previous KniFAQ. Y'all really gonna make me wait 3 whole weeks for a new FAQ? Someone get Seth on set til DCA's done moving please...
An Ulu is a knife .. how do you determine blade length for that? Length of the cutting edge is obvious, but measuring from the end of the handle to the tip (Which one?) makes no sense!
I live in CT and where i live i cross the boarder into RI all the time,its a 20 minute drive for me..however i have had legal trouble in CT with a spyderco tenacious. CT laws measure from tip to choil . Some cops try to play that tip to handle crap but dont let that fly.
I work as a Sheriff’s Deputy and was looking for a small fixed blade to be carried primarily for self defense and would need to be carried in the cargo pants pocket. Is there any small fixed blades out there that has a deep carry sheath and can be carried securely as well as comfortably?
Then you have the add the variable of un-educated law enforcement. Ive been harassed and questioned more than once for carrying a fixed blade when my state is one of the most lenient states in the country when it comes to carry. I live in a rural area and sometimes I forget about the sensitivities of city dwellers when I have to work there or run errands.
I know you guys have compared the Swiss spirit and the Leatherman wave before but I’d like to see an update with the new spirit with thumbstuds and the Leatherman free. Thanks pal.
I am not totally sure, but I think in Germany the penetration depth is counting. This means where the knife stops if you penetrate something like the handle or the finger, if you don't have a handle. The maximum penetration is counting.
Hey hey DCA. I would love to see you and Seth's picks for best thumbstud, flipper and thumb hole opening action. I've been collecting for years, and I learn a great deal from your videos. Thanks
The “Cutting Edge” thing we used to have in UK was nonsense, the judge who made the change was right. What was to stop some rule exploiter making a knife with a two inch choil and a sub three inch sharpened edge, to give extra reach ?
Remember, it is not the law, it is not the judge, it is the cop standing in front of you. Be nice. I live in s 3 inch limited area and I have gotten out of trouble by showing the cop online where it shows the knife in question was under 3 inches. I also have had discussions with police over button knives, one cop in town insists it is a gravity knife and I don't want to be a test case. Be nice, don't carry anything questionable and good luck.
Hey! I live in RHode island !! And I am one of those people who don’t care about knife laws 😂. I just carry whatever I want. After all it’s in MY pocket and I don’t plan on being searched by the police anytime soon. It’s been 20 years since that’s happened.
Bro youre lucky. i live in RI im brown i have no criminal record but i get pulled over a lot, and everytime they want to know whats in the car. Be careful man its all good until it isnt.
My favorite thing to do is to goto a store and put hands on it. That will make it break a buy. Once I hold a knife I know if i will buy it. I wish we had a bigger store near me. All we have is a Bass Pro
As much as I think the laws are outdated, the intent of them was to limit penetrating depth in stabbings to help avoid hitting vital organs, in which case the entire blade is what would need to be measured. When stabbing, the knife tends to penetrate to the hilt/handle, so thats why the laws were written that way.
So best $10 folder for outside / survival most people think theses knives are too cheap but there has to be some good ones out there to just throw in a pack, what’s your thoughts? Thanks!!!
The problem falls on the people who write the laws. They make laws for things that they know nothing or very little about. And if we're talking laws; why are there even knive laws when we have firearms or more over.. cars.. people die in car wrecks more than shootings or stabbings.. okay I'm done with my soap box. lol
Came for facts, got ambiguity and conjecture. 😕🧐😒 Why not take factory measure specs and use calipers to find wear they're specs layout onto said listing. Then you'll know what part of said manufacturer's blade is measured.
Love the intro. Very 90s Itd b nice if we could follow the spirit of the law rather than the letter. But i guess that gives authorities too much wiggle room if they dont like u. O u were speeding AND that knife looks a littttle to long. Gotcha
This is a great video, to muddy the waters even more convicted felons (even for nonviolent crimes) have to be sure the "blade" is less than 3.5" (or whatever the law is in a specific state)- and that could put many kitchen knives (utensils?) and even butter knives into illegal territory!
Every knive manufacturer should register their blade size to every law enforcement in every states..make it as a official measurement so that next,the law not gonna spin our head out everytime relate to blade length size
@@ohiogarbageman9507 if the added law make all of us can understand and the law cannot spin on us since manufacturer declared officially about blade length and standardize to all the states..why not? Right?
@@Matt-xc6sp at least bereucracy that standadize in blade length to all state so everyone know exactly what length they can buy following the official blade length release by the manufacturer and law enforcement agency record..just my 2 cents..dont mad at me..im not policy maker..just give my opinion so that every state different blade length can refer to official length release by the manufacturer
@@dolguldur4706 No, they just need to get rid of the laws, they are antiquated in the modern era of people being able to legally carry concealed 9mm with 21 rnd capacity. The problem is the knife industry doesn't have the same money as the gun industry to back legislation in their favor. The other problem is that knife crime isn't really a problem, so the laws are barely enforced, so people don't view them as being as big of a problem.
As a former police officer I always messured from the tip to the end of the sharp area of the blade. What I would take into consideration is the part of the blade that could do damage or cut not the dull area.
That's cool, and I'm all for officer discretion, but it sucks relying on it. IE: My friend is NYPD, recently retired. I asked him about such stuff...."up state, most cops don't care, and you'll be fine"...well, what if I get the one that does care?..."That's legal in the city, but most of these cops don't know, and they'll arrest you anyway and let the judge figure it out"...sigh
@@robertmoran7024 I don't know how it is in new York but in South Florida is open carry. The length 4 inches is for some one carrying a conceal knife, on the other hand 99 percent of the time you won't be bothered unless you were involved in something.
"Plus I can defeat that with a pinch grip!" I hereby demand KC issue a series of t-shirts with Thomas quotes. Go nuts with the styles.
I can just imagine the kind of people who come up with these laws. Must be real bundles of joy...
Hello DCA. I just wanted to give you a little update. A short while ago I asked you for an advice on an upgrade for my douk-douk as a secondary blade on my outdoor adventures. You recommended me a delica or endela, choices i would have never gone for because i don't really like the looks and, i guess, because i like to dislike what everybody likes. Anyways, i followed your advice somewhat unconvinced, and i must tell you that you were so very right ! That delica is just perfect for that intended purpose. So, thank you very much Sir, you are even more knowledgable than i thought ! Also, i told you it'd be great if the knife you adviced for could strike a firesteel and you told me the delica would be easily modified. Well, no need for modifications my friend, the gimping part throws sparks just fine ! Thanks again ! JBD
Awesome, thanks for the update JBD - glad the knife has worked out for you! -DCA
Instead of a ruler, Rhode Island should search for a copy of the Constitution and read it.
Well according to the bill of rights, we get to own nukes.
Not even joking.
The second amendment says "arms", and that is a military word that literally means every offensive and defensive weapon of the military.
And I should point out that the phrase keep and bare arms, has nothing to do with carrying things around with you.
It means you can own it, without having to hide it away from the government so they don't know you own it.
Carrying is absolutely a state's right.
@@lordgarion514 the word "bare" suggests the ability to carry, no?
Yeah, I missed the part in the second amendment where it said keep and bear certain arms only at home. Hopefully the states make their laws clear so that felons can exercise due diligence and measure their knives.
@@cbbyers Fortunately I live in a state that is fairly lenient with gun/knife laws. That said, even when I travel I keep my EDC intact, and can count on 0 fingers how many times I've been asked about the length of the knife clipped to my pocket.
Knife people: Its crazy that the arbitrary length of an inanimate object can land you in prison
Gun owners: First time?
Politician: I'm going to destroy this rifle by cutting it into pieces.
BATFE: You cut the barrel first. That's construction of an SBR without a tax stamp. Prison for you!
It's stupid in bolth cases. A knife doesn't get more dangerous with size because surprise attacks are most common with knives. A sbr is a lot less deadly than a full size rifle it's just harder to find.
@@greygoblin9491 I kinda see the point on SBR's, being able to fit one in a backpack kinda changes things...of course pistol braces kinda made that a moot point.
Loved it. So true 🤣
@@arrowheadguys7637 if i wanted to kill someone i could use a stapler. If they had a shotgun on a sling behind them I'd have second, third, and fourth thoughts.
If you include the curve of the blade it will measure longer instead of a straight line
The edge isn't the blade, it's the edge.
And length of edge has nothing to do with length of blade, which is what most states measure.
In the UK the legislation defines “sharpened cutting edge”, but we have a common law system that is open to judicial abuse. A lazy judge decided that was too hard so just took tip to start of the handle. It set a precedent and it became the law!
Our law here in Alabama is crazy. You can carry any knife but a Bowie. Which leaves lots of knives to carry.
Like autos, flippers , daggers, OTF, gravity,. .....you get the idea.
Lucky for us we have these politicians working hard for our protection.......................
Where I am in Australia we're lucky in that blade length is not an issue. Our legislation focuses on why you are in possession of the knife (which definitely has its own problems - for example, self defence is NOT a lawful reason for carrying a knife). So carrying a 4 inch blade for work is perfectly legal, but carrying a 1 inch blade for no specific reason is illegal. Thankfully we only have 8 police forces in Australia so compliance is only an issue when you cross a state border.
Don't they measure it from the bolster on some knives?
The only thing I do know for certain, and it's been the same way since time immemorial: THE LAW IS AN ASS !
Stupid outdated knife laws need to be abolished!!!!
Have you joined knife rights yet?
I've seen this already, just a snippet of a previous KniFAQ. Y'all really gonna make me wait 3 whole weeks for a new FAQ?
Someone get Seth on set til DCA's done moving please...
An Ulu is a knife .. how do you determine blade length for that?
Length of the cutting edge is obvious, but measuring from the end of the handle to the tip (Which one?) makes no sense!
Who would EDC an ulu? But yes you have a point
Two points actually! (ulu joke) -DCA
@@knifecenter 🤣
I asked several police in IL and for everyone I've asked, I got a different answer.
Hey DCA, I'm looking for a slipjoint under 2.5in - was considering the kansept bevy, any suggestions? California student, this would be a campus carry
I live in CT and where i live i cross the boarder into RI all the time,its a 20 minute drive for me..however i have had legal trouble in CT with a spyderco tenacious. CT laws measure from tip to choil . Some cops try to play that tip to handle crap but dont let that fly.
I work as a Sheriff’s Deputy and was looking for a small fixed blade to be carried primarily for self defense and would need to be carried in the cargo pants pocket. Is there any small fixed blades out there that has a deep carry sheath and can be carried securely as well as comfortably?
Then you have the add the variable of un-educated law enforcement. Ive been harassed and questioned more than once for carrying a fixed blade when my state is one of the most lenient states in the country when it comes to carry. I live in a rural area and sometimes I forget about the sensitivities of city dwellers when I have to work there or run errands.
Heck I don't even care, I carry two fixed blades on both sides. City people are a special kind of stupid, even dumber then regular stupid.
I know you guys have compared the Swiss spirit and the Leatherman wave before but I’d like to see an update with the new spirit with thumbstuds and the Leatherman free. Thanks pal.
Most States differeciate between fixed and folders both having a unique standard.
I am not totally sure, but I think in Germany the penetration depth is counting. This means where the knife stops if you penetrate something like the handle or the finger, if you don't have a handle. The maximum penetration is counting.
Maximum penetration always counts.
Love the showm how about a show on big belly , minimum of 3.5” with good toughness for hard use and large hands, thanks, Keep it up
Hey hey DCA. I would love to see you and Seth's picks for best thumbstud, flipper and thumb hole opening action. I've been collecting for years, and I learn a great deal from your videos. Thanks
Benchmade/Hogue, Civivi, and Spyderco...
DCA,
Could you guys please do another blindfolded "guess that knife" video? To make it interesting, you could even switch places with Seth V.
The real question is, "how do police measure blade length?" And the answer is, "whatever way they feel like."
"How do police measure blade length?" And the answer is "whatever the case law (court) says it is to be measured." That was easy.
The “Cutting Edge” thing we used to have in UK was nonsense, the judge who made the change was right. What was to stop some rule exploiter making a knife with a two inch choil and a sub three inch sharpened edge, to give extra reach ?
Do you k'now the UK law on k'nife measurement 3", Where to measure ??????
This is the whole problem of allowing lawyers to make the laws.
In Germany the law says you can carry a fixed blade up to 4.7 inches concerning the blade length. For something bigger you need a reason.
Hey DCA. I’m looking for a folding EDC with a wire clip specifically. In the 3” to 3.4” range, sub $100. Any recommendations? Thanks!
Spyderco UK Pen Knife?
Spyderco
Remember, it is not the law, it is not the judge, it is the cop standing in front of you. Be nice. I live in s 3 inch limited area and I have gotten out of trouble by showing the cop online where it shows the knife in question was under 3 inches. I also have had discussions with police over button knives, one cop in town insists it is a gravity knife and I don't want to be a test case. Be nice, don't carry anything questionable and good luck.
Hey! I live in RHode island !!
And I am one of those people who don’t care about knife laws 😂. I just carry whatever I want. After all it’s in MY pocket and I don’t plan on being searched by the police anytime soon. It’s been 20 years since that’s happened.
I live in CT what part
Bro youre lucky. i live in RI im brown i have no criminal record but i get pulled over a lot, and everytime they want to know whats in the car. Be careful man its all good until it isnt.
My favorite thing to do is to goto a store and put hands on it. That will make it break a buy. Once I hold a knife I know if i will buy it. I wish we had a bigger store near me. All we have is a Bass Pro
You would think legally it would have to come down to the mfg. Specs.
legislators are not very smart they should simply measure the lenght of the sharpened edge.
As much as I think the laws are outdated, the intent of them was to limit penetrating depth in stabbings to help avoid hitting vital organs, in which case the entire blade is what would need to be measured. When stabbing, the knife tends to penetrate to the hilt/handle, so thats why the laws were written that way.
Living in the wrong state. I love in one that has no knife regulations. Also conceal carry for Firearms is state wide.
You might actually be called as an expert witness some day to explain what the blade actually is to a jury!
There shouldn't be a legal limit if there isn't a standard.
So best $10 folder for outside / survival most people think theses knives are too cheap but there has to be some good ones out there to just throw in a pack, what’s your thoughts? Thanks!!!
There are exactly 27 folding knives on their site under $10 and not a one would hold up to typical survival tasks. Maybe in 1994...
The problem falls on the people who write the laws. They make laws for things that they know nothing or very little about. And if we're talking laws; why are there even knive laws when we have firearms or more over.. cars.. people die in car wrecks more than shootings or stabbings.. okay I'm done with my soap box. lol
Which # FAQ is this taken from?
Came for facts, got ambiguity and conjecture.
😕🧐😒
Why not take factory measure specs and use calipers to find wear they're specs layout onto said listing. Then you'll know what part of said manufacturer's blade is measured.
Who else would like a candiru and izula with 20cv
Honestly S35VN is ideal.
Love the intro. Very 90s
Itd b nice if we could follow the spirit of the law rather than the letter. But i guess that gives authorities too much wiggle room if they dont like u. O u were speeding AND that knife looks a littttle to long. Gotcha
Grey space is your area for adult decision making.
Can you imagine old Joe or his Camel trying to sort this topic out and give an explanation.
These single question videos are great, but please give the knife aq # it came from.
This is a great video, to muddy the waters even more convicted felons (even for nonviolent crimes) have to be sure the "blade" is less than 3.5" (or whatever the law is in a specific state)- and that could put many kitchen knives (utensils?) and even butter knives into illegal territory!
Use randy's method. Much bigger
Florida had pocket knife law. Blade has to be under 4” and not double sided
Every knive manufacturer should register their blade size to every law enforcement in every states..make it as a official measurement so that next,the law not gonna spin our head out everytime relate to blade length size
You’re suggesting we solve bureaucratic overreach by adding another layer of bureaucracy. Consider me broken.
Yes! We need more laws!
/s
@@ohiogarbageman9507 if the added law make all of us can understand and the law cannot spin on us since manufacturer declared officially about blade length and standardize to all the states..why not? Right?
@@Matt-xc6sp at least bereucracy that standadize in blade length to all state so everyone know exactly what length they can buy following the official blade length release by the manufacturer and law enforcement agency record..just my 2 cents..dont mad at me..im not policy maker..just give my opinion so that every state different blade length can refer to official length release by the manufacturer
@@dolguldur4706 No, they just need to get rid of the laws, they are antiquated in the modern era of people being able to legally carry concealed 9mm with 21 rnd capacity. The problem is the knife industry doesn't have the same money as the gun industry to back legislation in their favor. The other problem is that knife crime isn't really a problem, so the laws are barely enforced, so people don't view them as being as big of a problem.
Shortest video ever!
Way to end the question: stay out of trouble and don’t wave it around.
I feel like ive seen this guy in a movie 🤔