Was just thinking the same thing. I'd rather have a train that's loud occasionally than a highway that is constantly loud. But I'm also not surprised people are complaining about something new that they will undoubtedly get used to over time.
Train noise is the most disruptive. Freeways have been there for almost a century. If you live close to a highway or airport you're expecting the noise but when you purchase an expensive property and then they build this noisy, old technology train system in this modern day that is frequent then yes it is annoying. I remember the commuter train going through TMR and it was considerably less disruptive.
I think the noise levels are overblown just to try to get attention and monetary compensation. Anyhow, CDPQ should put sweat and tears into reducing the noise level at it's maximum so that the REM can get expanded further and not get blocked by Nimbies that will cherry pick the noise.
Thanks, enfin un peu de vérité. This guy lives in the city with all the advantages of the city and public transport.... but he wants the silence of the countryside around him. Selfish et gentrificateur en plus.
Hol'up a minute, you decided to live in a building that was built in 2020, knowing full well that a metro line is being built, and you complain about the 77 decibels? Oy...
Sounds like the residents should be asking questions to the building constructors/owners instead, if a relatively quiet train like that is really audible from inside.
The rem is not noisy, it is a new sound in a big city .... this is not journalism anymore .... nothing is focus on the positive side of the REM ... humans get used to everything
well i checked yesterday and today and it is not more noisy than train de banlieue and metro of montreal and i live near train de banlieu line, so every night i heard bing bong when the train coming to the station 😅
It does seem louder than what i thought the newest, most advanced rail systems could do. I was down on Ann Street, the trains go by a lot. Sounded like New York subway elevated.
The condo was probably built in part to take advantage of the presence of the REM as a way to access public transportation. Would not surprise me if there was a nearby station. This is always going to be the conundrum of access.
it's a stupid hit piece, guy lives in a condo built in 2020, there's no way in hell his condo isnt super well insonorised. You might be able to feel some vibrations but you wont even notice in a month lol.
The not in my backyard mentality in Montreal is insane. Imagine that being a highway instead. Would you like that instead? Oh wait! You got used to it which is louder than a quiet metro running every 2-5 minutes so that means you can get used to this easily.
You will grow to enjoy the “white noise” of the trains. We who grew up in cities like New York and Chicago have grown up with it for generations. It’s not so bad. Plus unlike those particular cities it appears that the REM doesn’t have many sharp turns on above ground segments which makes a HUGE difference in lowering the screeching noise trains found commonly with above ground metros.
Um, no. Our housing next to the ‘L’ in Chicago is horrendously loud. No one lives there for long unless they have no other choice. In 20 years here, I lasted six months next to the Brown Line.
I rember a train line right in front of my house as well as a intersection of two aves and then we took a vacation to some suburbs and because I became accustom to the noise I couldn’t sleep and I had to put white noise on my phone
Okay? I have diesel buses passing right past my windows, constantly, every hour of the day. You get used to it. At least the trains stop at night. Buses dont. Grow some balls, Drew.
There not greedy, they built it so residents could access to fast reliable transit. Also the REM is basically silent, it’s not loud at all. How about instead of complaining about silent trains passing by every few minutes 20 hours a day, how about complain about cars passing by every second on a highway 24/7
@@BasedMHFan Weird I live a km+ away from one and it's by far the loudest thing I can hear when I step outside. This train would take 10+ highway lanes to replace
I am reading the comments here and I am PROUD of ALL THESE PEOPLE for standing up and defending our worlds future. We should do like a “pro REM” protest, like the opposite of the anti REM stuff.
There is basically no sound from that train, people for some reason get annoyed that a basically silent train is passing by their apartment but don’t care if a loud highway was run through their neighborhood
Ouin ouin 😭 I live in the city on a boulevard with all the advantages of the city, but I want the silence of the countryside. You're going to have to move because it's not going to get any easier.
I live next to the airport .... i get used to it ... normal to hear a new sound ... stop complaining or move to the farm land ... even in small cities with trucks , trains , planes , neighbours cutting his lawn or partying ... life is noisy ... i have a condo in Square victoria and the city workers make noise at 5 am even on weekend , plus emergency vehicules
Via rail trains are 85 to 90 decibels, and most major roads are over 80. This is the quietest major mode of transportation there is, because it only hits 72 db at corners, and it’s usually under 40.
Did the "journalist" research what 70 dB is equivalent to? Because a 20 second Google search yields: A normal conversation: 60-70 dB; Open office noise: 65-75 dB; An alarm clock: 70-80 dB; Washing machine: 70 dB; Dishwasher: 70 dB; Restaurant: 70-80 dB... These people bought property next to a rail line that is likely going to give them access to public transport and they have the nerve to whine and moan in public about this?
NIMBY Fuel. Elevated trains aren't that loud and are quieter than roads. And when you compare the REM (900 people every 90 seconds, that's 36,000 people per hour in 1 direction) to a road with the same capacity (which would require over 20 lanes in one direction) the REM is basically silent. Yes, they could've done more to reduce the noise, but in the grand scheme of things, the REM is quiet.
and when they build condos next to a farmers field you get people complaining about the smell, the farmers doing crops animal noises etc. do your research before you move anywhere, and yes after a little while you wont notice it anymore.
When you bought that condos 5 years ago, they explained to you what the development would be 5 years in the future and it included the REM transit. Now if you were still willing to shed 800k$ for a 2 1/2 appartment and now complain about the noise, that's all what you deserve.
Do they have mandatory train horns at crossings? I don't think so! If we can get used to the train horns in my town, you won't even notice those trains after a few months
Trains that have crossings do that, but the REM has no crossings, it's fully grade separated, large sections of it is elevated so traffic can pass underneath.
If you can’t handle noise get tf out of a big city especially the downtown 😂😂 if you hate noise a downtown of a big city is the last place you want to live 😂
Did he try closing his windows? Did he realise that he bought an overpriced condo built for cheap & fast profit in the middle of downtown montreal by an highway and a train track? And did you, Montreal Gazette, essentially made a news report solely from a single opinion of a random, tad bit selfish resident?
The reporter recorded 75-77 decibels standing next to a section of the REM where there is no sound absorbing wall, whereas the condo is in front of a section that does have a sound absorbing wall and at a greater distance ... although a higher one curved over the tracks could provide still more protection. The reporter should have recorded the sound level from where the guy actually lived, instead of the loudest place he could find.
I live beside the railways (only a 2 lane road is between us). The trucks on the road are much more "invasive" than the freight trains. And this nimby has much better trains than our freight trains. If there would be a S-bahn/RER style train every 3 minutes under my window, i would be thankful, that i am free to go anywhere.
Dont live in an area that has century old railways. Them complain about the new electric train infrastructure that is meant to be good. Time to get a haircut and a real job, so you dont have to sleep at noon.
The REM may end up having to "tunnelize" some sections of their tracks. Stay tuned. Oddly enough, my cursory research has yet to discover similar complaints about these same Alstom Metropolis trains that service other cities around the world. Hard to believe that Montreal would be the ONLY place reporting this situation. One has to wonder then, why condo builders in and around Griffintown did not foresee this eventuality--unless of course, those condo builders either did not predict or perhaps were indifferent to the potential for such noise complaints. Of course, when one considers the historic, noisy reality of inner-city rail networks like the old New York El, their existing, exterior sections of subway lines, Chicago's elevated trackage, etc., that plagued adjacent housing and commercial establishments for generations, people eventually adapted to it or moved away. The truth of the matter is that many people continue to move into housing located near noisy rail lines, airports, etc. IMO, perhaps only people who are ALREADY hard-of-hearing should ever consider living under such conditions.
What funny on this there are Bigger train Via passager ext going to true the track obviously making more noise. That what it is to live in the city or next to a road or rail line
This is where I have said, cities needs to building transit before building neighbourhoods. These condos shouldn't have been built there, now they need to build a sound proof wall to help diffuse the sound not sure what they can do for the vibration. Perhaps slow down when they pass condo buildings.
they were built in 2020, WAY after REM started construction. they were built as transit oriented development. this guy is just mad at anything and wouldnt complain if it was a road
77DbA is really not that loud. City traffic alone is like.. 70, not including when someone in their loud motorcycle or car goes by. If you're that bothered by 77DbA then city living is probably not for you.
"I don't know what else I can do." I mean...noise machine? Music? Sound absorbing panels/ drapes? C'mon, Drew; you seem like a smart enough guy to think of a few options.
Are they going to do a story about how loud the highways are? I’m guessing not.
Was just thinking the same thing. I'd rather have a train that's loud occasionally than a highway that is constantly loud. But I'm also not surprised people are complaining about something new that they will undoubtedly get used to over time.
Of course not. North Americans are in love with their cars to the point of delusion and think the exhaust smells like roses.
used to live right next to a major federal road, city street and port area ... the only noise I actually heard are all the trains ...
Right north of the Griffintown station is a 2x5 stroad blv Robert Bourassa. That one will be 'oh so quiet '...
Train noise is the most disruptive. Freeways have been there for almost a century. If you live close to a highway or airport you're expecting the noise but when you purchase an expensive property and then they build this noisy, old technology train system in this modern day that is frequent then yes it is annoying. I remember the commuter train going through TMR and it was considerably less disruptive.
i live by the rem in griffintown, it’s way quieter than the viarails, also when i have my windows closed, i dont hear it at all
I think the noise levels are overblown just to try to get attention and monetary compensation. Anyhow, CDPQ should put sweat and tears into reducing the noise level at it's maximum so that the REM can get expanded further and not get blocked by Nimbies that will cherry pick the noise.
Thanks, enfin un peu de vérité. This guy lives in the city with all the advantages of the city and public transport.... but he wants the silence of the countryside around him. Selfish et gentrificateur en plus.
That’s what I was thinking… did the guy complaining close his windows? 🙄
Hol'up a minute, you decided to live in a building that was built in 2020, knowing full well that a metro line is being built, and you complain about the 77 decibels?
Oy...
big brain
Not to mention the nearby REM station will probably double the value of his condo within 5 years.
Sounds like the residents should be asking questions to the building constructors/owners instead, if a relatively quiet train like that is really audible from inside.
He said Vibrations.. I would move!
@@AMPProf Good luck trying to sell, I'd say.
The rem is not noisy, it is a new sound in a big city .... this is not journalism anymore .... nothing is focus on the positive side of the REM ... humans get used to everything
highways are far noisier, and last 24/7. The REM is only open 20 hours a day.
well i checked yesterday and today and it is not more noisy than train de banlieue and metro of montreal and i live near train de banlieu line, so every night i heard bing bong when the train coming to the station 😅
It does seem louder than what i thought the newest, most advanced rail systems could do. I was down on Ann Street, the trains go by a lot. Sounded like New York subway elevated.
These people don't know what a highway is.
Move. This is the best thing to happen for Montreal
The condo was probably built in part to take advantage of the presence of the REM as a way to access public transportation. Would not surprise me if there was a nearby station. This is always going to be the conundrum of access.
it's a stupid hit piece, guy lives in a condo built in 2020, there's no way in hell his condo isnt super well insonorised. You might be able to feel some vibrations but you wont even notice in a month lol.
The not in my backyard mentality in Montreal is insane. Imagine that being a highway instead. Would you like that instead? Oh wait! You got used to it which is louder than a quiet metro running every 2-5 minutes so that means you can get used to this easily.
nimbyism is much much worse here in Toronto
The Turcot junction. I want to remind that the metro under the surface is also loud.
But he never felt the vibration of the heavy weight trains that pass like via rail or exo?
You will grow to enjoy the “white noise” of the trains. We who grew up in cities like New York and Chicago have grown up with it for generations. It’s not so bad. Plus unlike those particular cities it appears that the REM doesn’t have many sharp turns on above ground segments which makes a HUGE difference in lowering the screeching noise trains found commonly with above ground metros.
Um, no. Our housing next to the ‘L’ in Chicago is horrendously loud. No one lives there for long unless they have no other choice. In 20 years here, I lasted six months next to the Brown Line.
I rember a train line right in front of my house as well as a intersection of two aves and then we took a vacation to some suburbs and because I became accustom to the noise I couldn’t sleep and I had to put white noise on my phone
'its almost like a plane is approaching'
proceeds to show the quietest noise
Okay? I have diesel buses passing right past my windows, constantly, every hour of the day. You get used to it. At least the trains stop at night. Buses dont. Grow some balls, Drew.
Diesel buses? That means you probably have to deal with fumes, too! I'll take train! Pun intended.❤
Buses in my city stop at the same time as The Metro
Those condos in Griffintown are new,
The REM has been planned beyond that.
Blame the greedy condo debeloppers first
For what? Building condos on prime real estate that included a light-rail line?
Ever heard of TOD?
@@shauncameron8390 They could've used higher quality construction materials.
@@shauncameron8390 Is the REM considered light rail? Thought it would be more like some sort of suburban network, almost an extension of the metro.
There not greedy, they built it so residents could access to fast reliable transit. Also the REM is basically silent, it’s not loud at all. How about instead of complaining about silent trains passing by every few minutes 20 hours a day, how about complain about cars passing by every second on a highway 24/7
Go to Manhattan and Brooklyn, you enjoy the same metropolis treatment, Montreal is not a small village anymore
You know what’s way worse, cars
I used to live near a highway and i almost don't hear cars at all + when i close my window i hear nothing
@@BasedMHFan Weird I live a km+ away from one and it's by far the loudest thing I can hear when I step outside.
This train would take 10+ highway lanes to replace
@@rlwelch there is nothing loud in the building i was before the metro viaduct was atleast 400 meters away and we can hear nothing its just like wind
Please, use the right tool to get the noiss level.
I have an expressway, a rail line and a metro station with several bus lines going up my street to get there. This is nothing.
well i live under the boosters of a nasa space shuttle. hah!
I am reading the comments here and I am PROUD of ALL THESE PEOPLE for standing up and defending our worlds future. We should do like a “pro REM” protest, like the opposite of the anti REM stuff.
Still a lot less annoying than the constant thumping noises from subwoofers.
Did that guy try closing his window? 🙄 Lol
There is basically no sound from that train, people for some reason get annoyed that a basically silent train is passing by their apartment but don’t care if a loud highway was run through their neighborhood
Ouin ouin 😭 I live in the city on a boulevard with all the advantages of the city, but I want the silence of the countryside. You're going to have to move because it's not going to get any easier.
I live next to the airport .... i get used to it ... normal to hear a new sound ... stop complaining or move to the farm land ... even in small cities with trucks , trains , planes , neighbours cutting his lawn or partying ... life is noisy ... i have a condo in Square victoria and the city workers make noise at 5 am even on weekend , plus emergency vehicules
Via rail trains are 85 to 90 decibels, and most major roads are over 80. This is the quietest major mode of transportation there is, because it only hits 72 db at corners, and it’s usually under 40.
so what ? just move on if you do not like it, the REM will be used for thousand of people versus a couple of families in a condo
a couple? there must be hundreds of families along where the train passes
@@rudyzk
Namely childless couples and bachelors.
Did the "journalist" research what 70 dB is equivalent to? Because a 20 second Google search yields: A normal conversation: 60-70 dB; Open office noise: 65-75 dB; An alarm clock: 70-80 dB; Washing machine: 70 dB; Dishwasher: 70 dB; Restaurant: 70-80 dB...
These people bought property next to a rail line that is likely going to give them access to public transport and they have the nerve to whine and moan in public about this?
If you dont like it Move to the Village. Imagine living in a city and crying ahout noise😂😂
Especially Downtown.
Rem is a lot better then cars
NIMBY Fuel. Elevated trains aren't that loud and are quieter than roads. And when you compare the REM (900 people every 90 seconds, that's 36,000 people per hour in 1 direction) to a road with the same capacity (which would require over 20 lanes in one direction) the REM is basically silent. Yes, they could've done more to reduce the noise, but in the grand scheme of things, the REM is quiet.
why didn't you measure it from the inside?? lol Think of it this way, you're shielding eveyrone behind you from hearing it, community service
This is not noisy.
This is too funny, mtl complain about everything 😂
Snowflake
did it is same reason toronto can have their own rem ?
Too many Karens
La Gazette complaining for everything
@@neofils nope la gazette hate quebec
It is less noisy than a plane, so not too bad. The thing is that it runs every 3-8 minutes every day...
I LOVE THE DISLIKE RATIO! Long live REM! Greetings from Poland 🙂
Highway are generally in range of 85 to 90 dB. Also overtime rail tracks will get smoother plus he bought house next to train tracks.
and when they build condos next to a farmers field you get people complaining about the smell, the farmers doing crops animal noises etc. do your research before you move anywhere, and yes after a little while you wont notice it anymore.
Snowflake problem
Welcome to a real city i guess
When you bought that condos 5 years ago, they explained to you what the development would be 5 years in the future and it included the REM transit. Now if you were still willing to shed 800k$ for a 2 1/2 appartment and now complain about the noise, that's all what you deserve.
Do they have mandatory train horns at crossings? I don't think so! If we can get used to the train horns in my town, you won't even notice those trains after a few months
Trains that have crossings do that, but the REM has no crossings, it's fully grade separated, large sections of it is elevated so traffic can pass underneath.
So you chose to live in a heavily urban environment, and you’re complaining about noise? What???
Idiots istg
Zero sympathy for them
Ever heard a highway?
If he closes the door to his deck, he'll notice an improvement.
You’ll get used to it.
If you can’t handle noise get tf out of a big city especially the downtown 😂😂 if you hate noise a downtown of a big city is the last place you want to live 😂
My brother in christ you live next to the CN tracks, shut up about a lightweight four car metro train!
And so the NIMBY whining begins.
Do one on roads.
Did he try closing his windows? Did he realise that he bought an overpriced condo built for cheap & fast profit in the middle of downtown montreal by an highway and a train track?
And did you, Montreal Gazette, essentially made a news report solely from a single opinion of a random, tad bit selfish resident?
The reporter recorded 75-77 decibels standing next to a section of the REM where there is no sound absorbing wall, whereas the condo is in front of a section that does have a sound absorbing wall and at a greater distance ... although a higher one curved over the tracks could provide still more protection. The reporter should have recorded the sound level from where the guy actually lived, instead of the loudest place he could find.
I live beside the railways (only a 2 lane road is between us). The trucks on the road are much more "invasive" than the freight trains. And this nimby has much better trains than our freight trains.
If there would be a S-bahn/RER style train every 3 minutes under my window, i would be thankful, that i am free to go anywhere.
He lives next to via rail and exo train tracks, not electric trains way louder, and he doesn't complain.
Why would you buy a condo right next to train tracks?
You will get used to it and eventually enjoy the white noise.
lol if only in NYC could we complain about train noise
hahaha These guys are classic NIMBY's
Aww honey would you like me us to stop the trains for you so you can get some sleep?
Oh cry about it
paper thin walls is the norm for new construction some actually work as "drums"
Fait dodo avec un buttplug 😂😂
To honestly talk about the noise situation, can you test the indoor noise after closing the windows?
I don't think you can properly measure decibels with a phone. But hopefully they can add sound dampening structures... I really wanna love this train
Poor poor Griffintown. 😉
I live next to the 1 train at 125th st (Elevated section) and it is wayyyy more louder than this yet no one has a problem with it
Dont live in an area that has century old railways. Them complain about the new electric train infrastructure that is meant to be good. Time to get a haircut and a real job, so you dont have to sleep at noon.
The REM may end up having to "tunnelize" some sections of their tracks. Stay tuned.
Oddly enough, my cursory research has yet to discover similar complaints about these same Alstom Metropolis trains that service other cities around the world. Hard to believe that Montreal would be the ONLY place reporting this situation.
One has to wonder then, why condo builders in and around Griffintown did not foresee this eventuality--unless of course, those condo builders either did not predict or perhaps were indifferent to the potential for such noise complaints.
Of course, when one considers the historic, noisy reality of inner-city rail networks like the old New York El, their existing, exterior sections of subway lines, Chicago's elevated trackage, etc., that plagued adjacent housing and commercial establishments for generations, people eventually adapted to it or moved away.
The truth of the matter is that many people continue to move into housing located near noisy rail lines, airports, etc. IMO, perhaps only people who are ALREADY hard-of-hearing should ever consider living under such conditions.
The sounds has been fixed if anybody care
What funny on this there are Bigger train Via passager ext going to true the track obviously making more noise. That what it is to live in the city or next to a road or rail line
This is where I have said, cities needs to building transit before building neighbourhoods. These condos shouldn't have been built there, now they need to build a sound proof wall to help diffuse the sound not sure what they can do for the vibration. Perhaps slow down when they pass condo buildings.
they were built in 2020, WAY after REM started construction. they were built as transit oriented development. this guy is just mad at anything and wouldnt complain if it was a road
If you live next to the trains, yeah it will be loud. But a highway is way louder. I think putting some noise deadening walls will help.
People will always complain 😂 no matter what the issue. It's the Karen complex.
it's this or a highway...
How 3 million Latins live happily next to ingratiating whinging like this is an abiding mystery.
77DbA is really not that loud. City traffic alone is like.. 70, not including when someone in their loud motorcycle or car goes by. If you're that bothered by 77DbA then city living is probably not for you.
Just be a man, it's a train.
"I don't know what else I can do."
I mean...noise machine? Music? Sound absorbing panels/ drapes? C'mon, Drew; you seem like a smart enough guy to think of a few options.
D'abord les vieux et les parents ne vivent très rarement à Griffithtown .
Try living in a large city!! Jesus christ.
As a train fan I'd love to see that from my window!
they should enclose the track where it goes by dwellings.
Angryphones
How loud are the highways? This might be a whataboutism in some ways, but the hypocrisy and disingenuousness is insane.
Guy wants peace and quiet yet lives in a city and then whines and complains. Blah blah blah - grease that hair and sell there fabio.
It’s “loud” to suburbanites who’ve never been near trains lmao
😂😂😂
Wow what a male Karen
Dude talks too much
And somehow it's very quiet inside the train 😂
Noise pollution
Hilarious!
Poor little poosie man can not sleep with the noise of the train Booooh! Whaaaa! why dont you go to yo mama and cry like a little baby poosie man
you should go to Psychiatrist which is clear you have bipolar becose when is trway you see train.
Better get used to it, hevsuse metros are a thing if the past
You are owned by PostMedia. Of course you'd prefer cars over something good for the community and the planet.
Zonek 👌👌👌
boohoo
U buy condo for 1 million to get this 🤣🤣🤣🤣
hahahahah why does the mtl gazette make obvious bashing of Quebec