Fair comment. I included pictures and details in the article on the PB homepage. I'll pass on the feedback when we edit the next Roundtable, though. Thanks!
I suspect the issue with the ibis is that they’ve tried to make 4 bikes with one frame, short travel and long travel in both wheel sizes. There’s no way you can make a frame that versatile and it actually being as good as a dedicated frame.
Honestly…. The IBIS “AF” is the best Ripmo to date. Ride 22-24 Carbon or 25 newest version back to back, and will leave you saying why bother spending the extra money. If you have seen the video from Loam Ranger with the trip to IBIS for interviews you will understand why 25 didn’t review better. The engineering reasons for work arounds on chain stay length and emphasis of forward rearward apt leads me to believe he is influenced too much by road riding and needs to get his ass off his seat. He should learn how to ride BMX before his next bike design.
Very HAPPY Dario mention’s the SC 5010!!! The bike has my interest before this video and the comparison verses the other bikes in review solidifies my interest in giving it serious consideration. I share the same interests Dario expresses in feedback from the 5010. Thank you!
Current 5010 is an awesome bike. I can see why they didn’t include it in this test because it’s not as burley as the rest of the bikes. Probably wouldn’t stand a chance in the rough stuff.
That should be no less capable. Parts setup offered and frame materials are essentially the same. Geometry and travel suits a different riding style and skills set. With 29” front wheel and the bike should suit my riding style I believe it would be capable of rough exaggerated terrain.
5010 owner here. I love this thing to death and am constantly surprised by what it can do. I also own a spire but find myself on the smaller bike for all my local riding, and even ran it in an enduro race this year (ces) and placed top ten. Would love to take it to a bike park like Whistler and really find the limit of it, I barely touch my spire anymore.
Well done guys! This is my favorite category of bike to discuss (Trail). I purchased last years Norco Fluid '23 A1, which your field test (at that time) had largely influenced my decision. I was secretly hoping someone was going to mention the Fluid at the end of this video, but oh well!! Love the Pod. Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for putting together another field test. I know reviews can be highly subjective, but establishing a qualitative measure at the start of the review or creating a simple grading scale for newer and older bikes would be nice, it would be ok to move the scale when newer and better things come out. Its hard to tell if you sh**ing all over new bikes or if hairs are being split or maybe that's the intent. How could one of the best recent trail bikes (Ripmo) be one of the worst on test all of a sudden, how does it compare to the old one, are the newer bikes just the much better now, or did the Ripmo get worse ?
Does Pink Bike not know that this new gen Ibis Ripmo shares the same frame as the Ripley? Uses a different shock size and fork. Might be why it feels like a 130-140mm bike...
People love their Ripmos. I wonder if the average rider really knows what they’re talking about. I’ve been riding the same bike since 2017, it still feels different from day to day, probably down to how I slept, ate, and how much I pet the dog that morning
people convince themselves to love what they spent thousands of dollars and most barely demo more than two bikes. The common rider's appreciation of all the different brands is typically very limited to this Pink Bike group of riders.
This years ripmo seems like a big departure from the past. I think it's just not to the preference of this crew. I really enjoyed the previous version Ripmo but ended up buying a Switchblade. Jeff Kendall Weed rides a Ripmo and probably has a video discussing the new one vs the old one.
@MehYam2112 I'm with you. I own a V1 OG Ripmo and been riding it for about 4 years and love it to death. And it's very true what you said - any one that owns a Ripmo loves it, for that matter an Ibis bike. My theory is that bikes are different now and smaller bikes may be more versatile. I also think they might be biased toward certain brands?
You know what you guys' impression of the Spectral reminded me of? Loic's bike. Your first impressions of the Spectral were that it's stiffer than the Stumpy 15. But it's not because the spring rate's too hard for your sag and weight. It's because its damping was engineered for maximum fun and control, and that's why in spite of its stiffness, it felt fun, and in the descents it was faster than most of the group that felt like they monster trucked over the tech. Wasn't that how Loic's bike felt? Sure, the damping wasn't tuned for trail bike fun, but it wasn't "plush" like a sofa would be. The Öhlins suspension was designed with damping that maximizes control, which inspires confidence. So in this case in 2024, what matters the most in order for a trail bike to be exciting is maximum control.
That Stump Jumper is soooo heavy. It is a short travel Enduro with the same weight. Do a 3000 meter day and come back and tell me it is better trail bike than some of these other bikes. I can't believe you would actually recommend it to a friend over comparably priced bikes with a lower weight.
Great reviews! Revel Rascal V2 would be a cool plug in.. Seems like us in the US that can’t get this Canyon then the Trek Fuel EX would be a good alternative.
You guys chose the bronson for this test and then complain it doesn’t meet the parameters of the test. To most people a 150/160 bike isn’t a trail bike.
Exactly my thoughts. And the Bronson has in fact podiumed at Stone King Rally under Romain Paulhan…something an actual ‘trail bike’(except the Druid V2) probably couldn’t do.
Out of this test, it WOULD be the Spot if set up as a proper MX and therefore reduced that awkward clearance issue. I know Spot does the 29/27+ thing which I think is dead in the water and it seems like a HUGE missed opportunity to 're-design' (probly wouldnt take much) it as a 29/MX bike instead. Would love to hear more talk around the Spot in MX. But if it doesn't work with the BB height and adjustments, then it don't work. Short cranks be damned... And in that case I'd reluctantly choose the Stumpy which of course seems the boring choice but having demo'd it, it is indeed a lovely bike as you'd likely expect from the flagship model of the big S. That said I was on the carbon coil MX ohlins 'park' model so there's a touch of bias there. I likely wouldn't feel the same about the alloy 29er budget model BUT obviously I would just grab the MX linkage and a new wheel and probably swap out for a coil. Just a bomber CR. The only awkward thing is the fact that, dollar for dollar, the Status 170 seems like a better bike in every way if you want a big coil bike... And conversely the Chisel models (or the Epic EVO) are much better bikes if you want an actual trail bike and not an enduro/FR bike. Some big missteps were made making the all around trail bike SO heavy in alloy and then so expensive and wireless only in carbon. Regardless, it will sell like hotcakes. We all know it will. The Stumpy will never not sell...
Great review I like the round table quite a bit you guys are fun. Yep currently I’m about to buy a bike in this category. I’ve rode the new Stump Jumper just in the parking lot. I think I need to try S5, the switchblade and I might be leaning towards the truck fuel EX.
I live in the Midwest, when I hear trail bike I’m thinking 130-140 travel, 150 maybe for the fork. I think this test with a 5010 and Troy ST version may have been more inline? Another controversial statement, I’m retiring my single bike solution in the Patrol in favor of a full blown downhill bike and reuniting with my favourite trail bike of all time…. Specialized status 140, 2022 (fox suspension) version. I think the status 140 would have been nice compliment in this test too.
Their testing bike in whistler not the Midwest. They also mix up the travel range of the bikes for each field test and it rotates each year, they do great with their limited resources.
If you had to pick a bike for riding Vancouver NS and Squamish blues and blacks it sounds like the Bronson is the winner? Would the Stumpy 15 with a 160 fork hold its own on steep consequential moves that scare you?
Simply isn't fair or true. Read the other *professional* reviews online, where they're riding the RipMo with the X2 damper, and they're stoked with the RipMo, still considered amongst the benchmark all rounders. Likewise, the Ripley is getting rave reviews. By their own admission, this RipMo was flawed because of the GRIP X damper, causing the front end to ride low, and pitch. Easily sorted. Let's try to avoid sweeping statements bud, these bikes are still plenty good bikes.
Speaking from a Colorado mechanic perspective; most Canyon bikes that come into the shop have some ridiculous failure(s). IMO Canyon puts together bikes with parts to keep the cost low over longevity.
Like other people are saying in the comments, there needs to be something letting everyone know which bike you're talking about at the time. Chapters would be helpful for sure.
Spot is addressing the tire clearance issue already. They made an announcement in the Facebook group. How would that change the opinion of that bike if tire clearance isn't an issue?
There are 8 bikes being independently ranked by 4 reviewers, from lowest to highest. I *think* the probability of all 4 reviewers independently ranking the same bike to the top rank is 1 out of 512 😜 //with a myriad of other assumptions and whatever. This was fun to watch, thanks.
@Henry-Quinney I thought this whole field test was excellent, Dario was a great addition, and all the content was enjoyable. I was particularly interested in some of the last minute add-on comparisons. How do you and the rest of the reviewers think the Propain Hugene CF 2 holds up against the top few bikes in this test? At 140/150 and a slew of pre-built and custom build options it certainly gives the Spectral and Stumpy a challenge in the value department. Same question with the Jeffsy. Thanks in advance!
Thanks, glad you liked it and totally agree on Dario. I have never ridden the Hugene, but when Alicia rode the 22 version I know she liked it so much that I believe she bought it! Haha. I think on the pb article Dario has compared it to the Jeffsy in the comments, but for me that Canyon was genuinely a strikingly good bike, and the value is there too.
I think these rankings would look a bit different based on the region Mayhem 140 and Ibis ripmo are great for the Rocky Mountain region places like Colorado compared to the Northwest
@@stardustgirl1061 If it's any consolation the new Ripmo looks amazing to me. I'm sure there will be a setup that works for you. Don't be afraid to try anglesets and coil shocks!
Thanks for the great show fellows. Would love to see bike less on the all mountain side and more on the trail bike end. Fact is most riders are not coming close to the dh capabilities of these tested rigs. Riders are not smiling while climbing these bikes. Let’s get realistic and admit most trail riders would be best served on a sub 30# 120/130 or 130/140 travel rig. Like a TB, 5010, or Smuggler. Most riders will barely out-ride bikes in that range on the way down and will have far more smiles when pedaling. Remember, dh makes only a tiny proportion of ride time.
When did you guys fire your editor? An hour long video with no list of the bikes, no pictures of the bikes, no chapters so we can actually find out what bikes you're talking about. I know PB is trying to cut costs, but man, this is WAY TLDW.
Stop ranking bikes by individual preferences. Rank them based on a criteria and score and discuss each bike’s strength and weakness and target rider. And for long videos we need to be able to jump to the bike we are interested in.
Honestly…. The IBIS “AF” is the best Ripmo to date. Ride 22-24 Carbon or 25 newest version back to back, and will leave you saying why bother spending the extra money. If you have seen the video from Loam Ranger with the trip to IBIS for interviews you will understand why 25 didn’t review better. The engineering reasons for work arounds on chain stay length and emphasis of forward rearward apt leads me to believe he is influenced too much by road riding and needs to get his ass off his seat. He should learn how to ride BMX before his next bike design.
Lack of chapter titles for an hour+ long video. Boooo. Shocking that all the all mountain bikes in the “trail” bike field test weren’t trail bike enough. Jesus Christ.
I mean how do you truly differentiate between trail, all mountain, and mini enduro. The categories are pretty subjective. I think it’s cool that they had a spectrum of bikes that may suit different styles and regions but are still under the “trail bike” umbrella
The problem is NONE of these bikes are TRAIL BIKES! A trail bike has 130mm rear, 140mm front no? These 150/160mm bikes are in fact shorter travel Enduro bikes. Tons of pros use them at the hightest level; Marco Osbourne just won the Transierra Norte on the new Sentinel, Romain Paulhan has podiumed the Bronson many times at these multiday enduro races. Dimitri Tordo and Jesse Melamed raced the Spectral at the highest level in EDR. Hence my point, ‘trails bikes’ are bikes like the Smuggler, Following, old Stumpjumper, older Switchblade.
I think your trails are different to mine. I love my pedal oriented 150F 140R trail bike. I do break out the 100mm hard tail when visiting the flat lands.
And that's one of the problems with the whole mountain bike industry, what is a xc bike? what is a trail bike? the mountain bike industry is like the fashion industry, its always changing with basically no standards
After trying to find out which bike was where... After like a solid 15 minutes of scrolling... I'm wondering if they lost track too? lol. I can't fill each slot I am missing something somewhere on one of the bikes. They made an absolute DOGS BREAKFAST of the middle bikes. Seems like Ripmo 8, Instinct 7, Spectral 1, but shit gets wonky because they split apart 2-6 so much and Henry interrupts the outright numbering... They need to do something, anything, to make it easy to find which bike is where. Titling on screen. Time stamps in description? I dunno ANYTHING
These are knobs. Bring back Levy... and where are all the women? This sausage party is really boring. I bet 10% got through thru the 1 hr. of this. Henry is the one person who makes an English accent sound unagreeable.
@@CameronStrandberg For you, you corporate suck up. that is all PB is. They have unlimited access to the industry, yet they get so few views. that speaks for itself. These weirdos do not represent most riders nor the average trails most ride. Why are they testing trail bikes in Whistler? Why not test enduro bikes in FLA?
@@rmhfpv9225 Why bc I think these guys suck? Didn't you get the memo? This is the F your feelings era. I will listen to JKW and many other reviewers not held captive by their sponsors.
Henry is horrible.. instead of keeping group on track he laughs and over talks people . From my perspective they should have 2 females 2 males and a good commentator not Henry .. Matt and Kaz are good Dario is learning Henry is brutal and for some reason the lead
i am ok with henry but he absolutely butchered this video and i cannot for the life of me figure out which place each bike is in because he chopped it up so much and i think one was left out so i have to figure out every single other one to fill the gap...
I know it's more effort but can you include photos of whatever you are talking about at the moment? Great stuff guys, keep it up!
That would be great!
Fair comment. I included pictures and details in the article on the PB homepage. I'll pass on the feedback when we edit the next Roundtable, though. Thanks!
Please add chapters for videos over an hour
I like that you talked about previous bikes you’d score highly in this group!
Now made with no added timestamps
I suspect the issue with the ibis is that they’ve tried to make 4 bikes with one frame, short travel and long travel in both wheel sizes. There’s no way you can make a frame that versatile and it actually being as good as a dedicated frame.
Honestly…. The IBIS “AF” is the best Ripmo to date. Ride 22-24 Carbon or 25 newest version back to back, and will leave you saying why bother spending the extra money.
If you have seen the video from Loam Ranger with the trip to IBIS for interviews you will understand why 25 didn’t review better. The engineering reasons for work arounds on chain stay length and emphasis of forward rearward apt leads me to believe he is influenced too much by road riding and needs to get his ass off his seat. He should learn how to ride BMX before his next bike design.
Kavenz VHP maybe?
Very HAPPY Dario mention’s the SC 5010!!! The bike has my interest before this video and the comparison verses the other bikes in review solidifies my interest in giving it serious consideration. I share the same interests Dario expresses in feedback from the 5010. Thank you!
SC needs to marry the 5010 and TB and keep the 5010’s 130/140 travel and do a flip chip for an MX setup.
Current 5010 is an awesome bike. I can see why they didn’t include it in this test because it’s not as burley as the rest of the bikes. Probably wouldn’t stand a chance in the rough stuff.
That should be no less capable. Parts setup offered and frame materials are essentially the same. Geometry and travel suits a different riding style and skills set. With 29” front wheel and the bike should suit my riding style I believe it would be capable of rough exaggerated terrain.
5010 owner here. I love this thing to death and am constantly surprised by what it can do. I also own a spire but find myself on the smaller bike for all my local riding, and even ran it in an enduro race this year (ces) and placed top ten. Would love to take it to a bike park like Whistler and really find the limit of it, I barely touch my spire anymore.
I'd be curious where the Pivot Switchblade would fit in here too.
Well done guys! This is my favorite category of bike to discuss (Trail). I purchased last years Norco Fluid '23 A1, which your field test (at that time) had largely influenced my decision. I was secretly hoping someone was going to mention the Fluid at the end of this video, but oh well!! Love the Pod. Keep up the good work!!
I love that you've mentioned Druid, 5010 and SCOR 2030, these bikes would fit perfectly in trail bike test
Matt's description beginning at 11:55 is brilliant.
Thanks for putting together another field test. I know reviews can be highly subjective, but establishing a qualitative measure at the start of the review or creating a simple grading scale for newer and older bikes would be nice, it would be ok to move the scale when newer and better things come out. Its hard to tell if you sh**ing all over new bikes or if hairs are being split or maybe that's the intent. How could one of the best recent trail bikes (Ripmo) be one of the worst on test all of a sudden, how does it compare to the old one, are the newer bikes just the much better now, or did the Ripmo get worse ?
Great insight, and so glad I’ve just brought a Druid V2 🙂👍
Does Pink Bike not know that this new gen Ibis Ripmo shares the same frame as the Ripley? Uses a different shock size and fork.
Might be why it feels like a 130-140mm bike...
People love their Ripmos. I wonder if the average rider really knows what they’re talking about.
I’ve been riding the same bike since 2017, it still feels different from day to day, probably down to how I slept, ate, and how much I pet the dog that morning
people convince themselves to love what they spent thousands of dollars and most barely demo more than two bikes. The common rider's appreciation of all the different brands is typically very limited to this Pink Bike group of riders.
This years ripmo seems like a big departure from the past. I think it's just not to the preference of this crew. I really enjoyed the previous version Ripmo but ended up buying a Switchblade. Jeff Kendall Weed rides a Ripmo and probably has a video discussing the new one vs the old one.
Pretty sure it's just this version they have an issue with not the previous version.
Around here I see mostly older guys on a Ripmo for easy green and blue trails that you could almost ride on a gravel bike
@MehYam2112 I'm with you. I own a V1 OG Ripmo and been riding it for about 4 years and love it to death. And it's very true what you said - any one that owns a Ripmo loves it, for that matter an Ibis bike. My theory is that bikes are different now and smaller bikes may be more versatile. I also think they might be biased toward certain brands?
You know what you guys' impression of the Spectral reminded me of? Loic's bike. Your first impressions of the Spectral were that it's stiffer than the Stumpy 15. But it's not because the spring rate's too hard for your sag and weight. It's because its damping was engineered for maximum fun and control, and that's why in spite of its stiffness, it felt fun, and in the descents it was faster than most of the group that felt like they monster trucked over the tech.
Wasn't that how Loic's bike felt? Sure, the damping wasn't tuned for trail bike fun, but it wasn't "plush" like a sofa would be. The Öhlins suspension was designed with damping that maximizes control, which inspires confidence.
So in this case in 2024, what matters the most in order for a trail bike to be exciting is maximum control.
That Stump Jumper is soooo heavy. It is a short travel Enduro with the same weight. Do a 3000 meter day and come back and tell me it is better trail bike than some of these other bikes. I can't believe you would actually recommend it to a friend over comparably priced bikes with a lower weight.
Great reviews! Revel Rascal V2 would be a cool plug in.. Seems like us in the US that can’t get this Canyon then the Trek Fuel EX would be a good alternative.
Should have included yt Jeffsy because it doesn’t change much and is a good trail bike to compare with
They did mention the Jeffsy. Honorable mention from earlier reviews.
You guys chose the bronson for this test and then complain it doesn’t meet the parameters of the test. To most people a 150/160 bike isn’t a trail bike.
Exactly my thoughts. And the Bronson has in fact podiumed at Stone King Rally under Romain Paulhan…something an actual ‘trail bike’(except the Druid V2) probably couldn’t do.
Dario drinking it if the measuring cup... C'mon get these guys some PB glasses...lol
Maybe he’s just big on measuring everything 🧐
I heard about the speed lines on Dario from the podcast and I'm so happy I got to see them here!
Out of this test, it WOULD be the Spot if set up as a proper MX and therefore reduced that awkward clearance issue. I know Spot does the 29/27+ thing which I think is dead in the water and it seems like a HUGE missed opportunity to 're-design' (probly wouldnt take much) it as a 29/MX bike instead. Would love to hear more talk around the Spot in MX. But if it doesn't work with the BB height and adjustments, then it don't work. Short cranks be damned...
And in that case I'd reluctantly choose the Stumpy which of course seems the boring choice but having demo'd it, it is indeed a lovely bike as you'd likely expect from the flagship model of the big S. That said I was on the carbon coil MX ohlins 'park' model so there's a touch of bias there. I likely wouldn't feel the same about the alloy 29er budget model BUT obviously I would just grab the MX linkage and a new wheel and probably swap out for a coil. Just a bomber CR.
The only awkward thing is the fact that, dollar for dollar, the Status 170 seems like a better bike in every way if you want a big coil bike... And conversely the Chisel models (or the Epic EVO) are much better bikes if you want an actual trail bike and not an enduro/FR bike. Some big missteps were made making the all around trail bike SO heavy in alloy and then so expensive and wireless only in carbon. Regardless, it will sell like hotcakes. We all know it will. The Stumpy will never not sell...
Good stuff, PB. I really enjoyed this field test 👍
Great review I like the round table quite a bit you guys are fun. Yep currently I’m about to buy a bike in this category. I’ve rode the new Stump Jumper just in the parking lot. I think I need to try S5, the switchblade and I might be leaning towards the truck fuel EX.
I live in the Midwest, when I hear trail bike I’m thinking 130-140 travel, 150 maybe for the fork. I think this test with a 5010 and Troy ST version may have been more inline? Another controversial statement, I’m retiring my single bike solution in the Patrol in favor of a full blown downhill bike and reuniting with my favourite trail bike of all time…. Specialized status 140, 2022 (fox suspension) version. I think the status 140 would have been nice compliment in this test too.
Their testing bike in whistler not the Midwest. They also mix up the travel range of the bikes for each field test and it rotates each year, they do great with their limited resources.
I know they are testing at whistler, and understand how field tests work.
Trance X. Great, adjustable, not weird
If you had to pick a bike for riding Vancouver NS and Squamish blues and blacks it sounds like the Bronson is the winner? Would the Stumpy 15 with a 160 fork hold its own on steep consequential moves that scare you?
Are you here Ken?
Ibis ruined 2 bikes in the same year by sharing the same frame
Simply isn't fair or true. Read the other *professional* reviews online, where they're riding the RipMo with the X2 damper, and they're stoked with the RipMo, still considered amongst the benchmark all rounders. Likewise, the Ripley is getting rave reviews. By their own admission, this RipMo was flawed because of the GRIP X damper, causing the front end to ride low, and pitch. Easily sorted.
Let's try to avoid sweeping statements bud, these bikes are still plenty good bikes.
Speaking from a Colorado mechanic perspective; most Canyon bikes that come into the shop have some ridiculous failure(s). IMO Canyon puts together bikes with parts to keep the cost low over longevity.
Like other people are saying in the comments, there needs to be something letting everyone know which bike you're talking about at the time.
Chapters would be helpful for sure.
Great fun - thx guys, especially with the new format!
Some visuals of bikes for context would really be great but otherwise very insightful!
do all mountain or enduro field test
Spot is addressing the tire clearance issue already. They made an announcement in the Facebook group. How would that change the opinion of that bike if tire clearance isn't an issue?
It’s crazy that they shipped the bike like that lol. Good on them for listening to feedback though
Surely the 5010 should've been there instaed of the Bronson.
Good job guys!
There are 8 bikes being independently ranked by 4 reviewers, from lowest to highest. I *think* the probability of all 4 reviewers independently ranking the same bike to the top rank is 1 out of 512 😜 //with a myriad of other assumptions and whatever. This was fun to watch, thanks.
@Henry-Quinney I thought this whole field test was excellent, Dario was a great addition, and all the content was enjoyable. I was particularly interested in some of the last minute add-on comparisons. How do you and the rest of the reviewers think the Propain Hugene CF 2 holds up against the top few bikes in this test? At 140/150 and a slew of pre-built and custom build options it certainly gives the Spectral and Stumpy a challenge in the value department. Same question with the Jeffsy. Thanks in advance!
Thanks, glad you liked it and totally agree on Dario. I have never ridden the Hugene, but when Alicia rode the 22 version I know she liked it so much that I believe she bought it! Haha. I think on the pb article Dario has compared it to the Jeffsy in the comments, but for me that Canyon was genuinely a strikingly good bike, and the value is there too.
@ thanks so much for the response and info!
Transition sentinel would be my next bike
Add the Polygon T8 or T9. They are hard to beat and the price is amazing
Naming a bike trojan would be the worst marketing thing ever.
Trojan: ”Shiny on the outside, inside comes things that will kill you!”
I think these rankings would look a bit different based on the region
Mayhem 140 and Ibis ripmo are great for the Rocky Mountain region places like Colorado compared to the Northwest
the Ibis facebook groups are going to go nuts. oh well.
I own a Ripmo. This video triggered me and now I'm trying to get my head together in my safe space. Thanks for ruining Thanksgiving PB!!!
@@stardustgirl1061 If it's any consolation the new Ripmo looks amazing to me. I'm sure there will be a setup that works for you. Don't be afraid to try anglesets and coil shocks!
This has Bible vibes and I’m here for it. My favorite format, thanks guys!
Thanks for the great show fellows. Would love to see bike less on the all mountain side and more on the trail bike end. Fact is most riders are not coming close to the dh capabilities of these tested rigs. Riders are not smiling while climbing these bikes. Let’s get realistic and admit most trail riders would be best served on a sub 30# 120/130 or 130/140 travel rig. Like a TB, 5010, or Smuggler. Most riders will barely out-ride bikes in that range on the way down and will have far more smiles when pedaling. Remember, dh makes only a tiny proportion of ride time.
That haircut looks like Chickenhawk from Warner brothers cartoons
When did you guys fire your editor? An hour long video with no list of the bikes, no pictures of the bikes, no chapters so we can actually find out what bikes you're talking about. I know PB is trying to cut costs, but man, this is WAY TLDW.
Such good voices ❤❤❤❤
Maybe they pop a photo or name of bike when talking about it. i been scrolling back and forth trying to figure what bikes they are talking about .
This is really difficult to try and find the parts I’m looking for.
WHY can’t I open the slow motion bottom out video????????
pinkbike always picks the canyon spectral
Stop ranking bikes by individual preferences. Rank them based on a criteria and score and discuss each bike’s strength and weakness and target rider. And for long videos we need to be able to jump to the bike we are interested in.
TIRES -Please review the tires!!!!!!!!!!!
thos microphone stands are three times bigger than they need to be!
Maybe I'm blind but where are the 5010 and Smuggler reviews?
The haircut is criminal 😂
Honestly…. The IBIS “AF” is the best Ripmo to date. Ride 22-24 Carbon or 25 newest version back to back, and will leave you saying why bother spending the extra money.
If you have seen the video from Loam Ranger with the trip to IBIS for interviews you will understand why 25 didn’t review better. The engineering reasons for work arounds on chain stay length and emphasis of forward rearward apt leads me to believe he is influenced too much by road riding and needs to get his ass off his seat. He should learn how to ride BMX before his next bike design.
Is Dario sipping vodka from a measuring cup 🤔
would love to watch some of this, but not going to watch an entire hour. Needs chapters.
I'm just as annoyed by the bike naming inconsistency as Henry. I don't know what that says about me, but - I have your back, dude.
Lack of chapter titles for an hour+ long video. Boooo. Shocking that all the all mountain bikes in the “trail” bike field test weren’t trail bike enough. Jesus Christ.
I mean how do you truly differentiate between trail, all mountain, and mini enduro. The categories are pretty subjective. I think it’s cool that they had a spectrum of bikes that may suit different styles and regions but are still under the “trail bike” umbrella
I have to skip this video unfortunately and leave it for the way to work 😅
The problem is NONE of these bikes are TRAIL BIKES! A trail bike has 130mm rear, 140mm front no?
These 150/160mm bikes are in fact shorter travel Enduro bikes. Tons of pros use them at the hightest level; Marco Osbourne just won the Transierra Norte on the new Sentinel, Romain Paulhan has podiumed the Bronson many times at these multiday enduro races. Dimitri Tordo and Jesse Melamed raced the Spectral at the highest level in EDR. Hence my point, ‘trails bikes’ are bikes like the Smuggler, Following, old Stumpjumper, older Switchblade.
maybe, but also so what? Overall, they're comparing a group of bikes to each other. call the category whatever you want.
I think your trails are different to mine. I love my pedal oriented 150F 140R trail bike. I do break out the 100mm hard tail when visiting the flat lands.
Depends on where you live and ride. They are up in Whistler territory where 150mm are shorter travel due to gnarly terrain.
There are XC bikes with 120mm travel these days, winning XC races.
And that's one of the problems with the whole mountain bike industry, what is a xc bike? what is a trail bike? the mountain bike industry is like the fashion industry, its always changing with basically no standards
Pretty bad format. Half the time i didn't know which bike you were talking about...I usually love your reviews, but this one is almost unintelligible.
After trying to find out which bike was where... After like a solid 15 minutes of scrolling... I'm wondering if they lost track too? lol. I can't fill each slot I am missing something somewhere on one of the bikes. They made an absolute DOGS BREAKFAST of the middle bikes. Seems like Ripmo 8, Instinct 7, Spectral 1, but shit gets wonky because they split apart 2-6 so much and Henry interrupts the outright numbering... They need to do something, anything, to make it easy to find which bike is where. Titling on screen. Time stamps in description? I dunno ANYTHING
@TeddyParker You got further with it than I did. Lol
I had no problem following along, the format made perfect sense
@@jarnold1789 Good for you. Doesn't change my experience if that's what you are after....
@@terrencemccargish442 No hate, but it might just be a you problem, man
Levy > Henry
Why does every pinbike commentor try to be so clever and snarky? Such a insufferable bunch
His voice 😵💫
Trail bikes? Yeah nah....
These are knobs. Bring back Levy... and where are all the women? This sausage party is really boring. I bet 10% got through thru the 1 hr. of this. Henry is the one person who makes an English accent sound unagreeable.
You sound insufferable.
Man, I wish RUclips had a block function.
have you always posted angry rants or just started today?
@@CameronStrandberg For you, you corporate suck up. that is all PB is. They have unlimited access to the industry, yet they get so few views. that speaks for itself. These weirdos do not represent most riders nor the average trails most ride. Why are they testing trail bikes in Whistler? Why not test enduro bikes in FLA?
@@rmhfpv9225 Why bc I think these guys suck? Didn't you get the memo? This is the F your feelings era. I will listen to JKW and many other reviewers not held captive by their sponsors.
Wearing hats indoors is just stupid! Why would you wear a baseball cap whilst seated at a table having a conversation with other people???
If they went to church I'd agree with you...but they just have a chat about bikes... And Kaz looks better with a hat...actually who cares...
I thought it was just me who thought this. What's the idea behind wearing any hat indoors? No need, no point. Just seems sooooo strange to me.
wtf are you 80 years old or something? You sound like my grandpa. People will complain about anything huh
Wearing anything indoors is stupid, stupid! If your cold, turn up the heating
@@jarnold1789 Something wrong with being 80 years old or being a grandpa?
Henry is horrible.. instead of keeping group on track he laughs and over talks people . From my perspective they should have 2 females 2 males and a good commentator not Henry .. Matt and Kaz are good Dario is learning Henry is brutal and for some reason the lead
i am ok with henry but he absolutely butchered this video and i cannot for the life of me figure out which place each bike is in because he chopped it up so much and i think one was left out so i have to figure out every single other one to fill the gap...
And the females should be hot and wearing two piece bathing suits 👍
Some visuals of bikes for context would really be great but otherwise very insightful!