For those asking about the Schwalbe Albert and it's radial casing... I tested the tires more after this test once all the info on the radial casing was released. I rode with more pressure which did improve lateral support. The issue was anything over 30psi front/32psi rear and the tires became extra responsive-in a bad way. Increasing pressure didn't seem to make the casing much firmer under the tread, so when hitting rocks and bumps, the tire still deformed, but the extra pressure seemed to increase the tire's rebound. I haven’t found anything from Schwalbe that says ‘run more pressure.’ They say you can run higher pressures and still receive a larger contact patch. But from my testing, pressure solved one issue and introduced another with the Albert Gravity. More of my thoughts on the Albert/radial casing here - www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only?page=10
I still personally prefer the Magic Marry in Soft and super soft, would have liked if it was in this test The magic marry and big betty or Tacky chan in the back is currently my favourite combos
@@86309 though I don't think you're entirely off base, if you're ripping fast, high speed, high cornering force trails on repeat that might be what I'd want too. If I'm riding mary/betty super gravity's at 24/26, I'd probably start on that casing at 26/28.
this review would have been more informative if it had listed rider's weight and PSI used in the tires they test because weight and PSI play a major part traction
It has been said they started off of some equal pressure and adjusted for maximum "performance" (don't know if it means grip or whatnot), so the tyres been given their best chance. And what are the actual numbers - why would anyone care since it is sooooo personal. Should you need a reference, use some online calculator.
awesome roundup, i really appreciate the explanations of the scores, especially side by side by side. disappointed in various manufacturers not putting rubber in the ring, like specialized, WTB, goodyear, bontrager, and smaller brands like delium and american classic. Very excited to see less common tire manufacturers like vee, kenda, and e*thirteen pop up in the roundup, to shed more light onto alternatives to the big yellow. though having so many might make testing a nightmare for you guys.
I wonder if the Schwalbe's would've done better if you upped the psi -- I just got a pair & at normal psi's they were noodly, but upped pressures @4psi (which they recommend), & made em feel waaaay better.....!
Exactly my thoughts, the reason it isn't digging into looser terrain might be caused by the pressure being too low and therefore the load is being spread across all the knobs which won't allow them to "dig in".
Min 1:33: "we started at the same pressure in each, we then addjustet pressure to maximize tire performance" sounds like they tried different pressures to me 🤔
I like the Kryptotals more in the Enduro casing. A bit more lively and even tho I was afraid that they'd slash easily they've held up really well. Way stronger than the weight would suggest. They also roll very good in relation to the grip level. And a bonus for someone living in a cold climate: they keep their grippyness when the weather gets colder way better than Maxxis MaxxGrip or MaxxTerra.
I've got a rear in the enduro casing in the parts bin that I just haven't ridden as when I first touched it the sidewall felt like paper. You say yours have held up fine? What kind of terrain are you riding, and at what pressure?
The trick with the Conti DH casings is to run about 2 psi less than Maxxis. I run the exact same combo of Kryptotals you tested on a RM Altitude and they're by far my favorite tires. The front rides a lot like the Assegai but without the vagueness of the Assegai. The rear is hands down the best back tire I've ridden and if you prefer the feel of say a DHF up front I think these would do very well up front too. They also roll a bit faster than the bog standard Assegai/DHR2 combo so if you're pedaling uphill they're certainly the winner of this test. I am now curious to try a HR3 up front, but I've heard it rolls slower than the Assegai so would definitely be a front only affair outside of a park bike or ebike.
I am a lil bit desapointed that I ordered Schwalbe's Radial a fex days back without having seen this video ! Will give them a fair try though. Great content !
The Albert is really a trail tread pattern not DH. I tried them and like the casing feel, n eded more PSI but ultimately the tread patter was an issue. I then tried the shredda Rear on the F/R of my bike, absolutely excellent 👌. These tires HOOK UP.
I've been riding Continental Kryptotal front and Xynotal on the rear in their enduro casing on my enduro bike. I agree about the feedback increase from the squishy Maxxis tires, but the speed increase and predictability of the grip is very appreciated. I don't like tires that feel like a workout to pedal on flat ground like 3C Maxxis tires. I love my Continentals, and they look sick.
I’m running the e13 grappler enduro (mopo) compound front and dh rear in Australia. My conditions are dust and blown out corners and these tyres inspire confidence versus Maxxis assegai dh soft I was using prior. Also the e13 are $45 cheaper per tyre compared to conti, maxxis etc
I was a Maxxis guy for years, mostly Assegai front and Aggressor rear (usually MaxxGrip or 3C and DH casing). I've got 230 miles on a set of Conti Kryptotal front (DH casing super soft) and Xynotal rear (DH casing soft) tires and I'm in love. Not only a huge improvement in grip but also a better "damped" feel and the HUGE different is in how SLOW they wear! 330 miles on these and my Maxxis tires would have been TOAST by this point, but the Conti's are still doing so good! That said, I might have to check out that high roller..
Great test. Keeping as many variables the same as possible is hard. Changing Schwalbe psi makes a huge difference!! But I also run conti Argotal front and kryptotal re. Epic
For bike park laps I would choose a Michelin DH22 over the enduro version. I think Michelin makes a very top tire contender for best all rounder with the Assegai ,Magic Mary and Kryptotal . Maxxis still makes the best tires out there IMO,tons of options. I tested this summer DH22 front DH16 rear in my DH bike,very good combo but the DH16 changes in a few days of ride and lost a ton of grip. Michelin tires had a little more feedback than other tires,easy to ride on the edge. I like the DH Butcher for rear tire in my enduro bike,decent rolling very good grip.
@@mrvwbug4423 I got that combo all summer and is still good to go. The DH 16 is a very fast tire,it changes cos tire knobs wear fast till certain point but the tire is still good. DH 22 on the front could go another full season 100%. Those are not a 1 lap tires IMO,it is true that wear faster than a Schwable or Conti tires,but not far from Maxxis max gripp or Specialized T9 tires. I did more than 20 full days of Loudenville,Luchon (steep AF) and La Pinilla bike park 0 issues,very happy rides. To me the new DH22 is one of the best overall tires out there,it goes well in any terrain and the feedback in corners is impressive. Other good thing to mention is those tires do not catch mud easy and are decent for wet summer laps in muddy trails. For the rear tire a harder compound would be nice, Michelin need offer more options like Maxxis or Conti.
The Vittoria Mostro should have been in the FRONT! I have been running the Mazza in the front for a year and I just switched for the Mostro in 4C compound and it was an absolute game changer! So much more predictable than the Mazza. I like the Mazza in the rear because it doesn’t have the transition nob and follows the front wheel better while cornering atc. Also running the soft 1C compound which is meant for wet conditions was a big error imo. The 4C compound is the way to go for main season riding.
Could you please tell me how the 4C feels in the wet? I'm very curious about Vittoria Mazza and their other tires, but I've never had the opportunity to try those out.
@@KlintonSilvey I’m looking forward for comparing the 4C x 1C compound but unfortunately the 1C compound won’t be available until January where I live 🥲 I can write my findings here after I compare them. But I’m glad to hear that it works better in wet, because that’s the only thing that the 4C is missing. I’ll definitely be running it in the summer season though, it’s really good on dry and loose stuff imo.
@@cunning-stunt Yeah, it was really odd tbh. I had the Mazza in the front and even though I love Vittoria, I wasn’t happy. I just couldn’t tell why exactly, but it didn’t give me much confidence. I realized why after I switched to the Mostro. The Mazza has a really pronounced “dead zone” between the center and side knobs, which made you loose a bit of grip while leaning the bike over, so for example while riding flat corners, you would start the corner, get into the dead zone and lost the line a little bit and then you had to correct it when the side knobs hooked. The Mostro compare to this has absolutely smooth transition without any dead zone. I was even amazed on how much you can carve a turn on asphalt road, the transition is just so confident inspiring. The side knobs protrude a little bit more than the transition nobs and my theory is that is the reason why the transition to side knobs is so smooth. It just works, I really recommend it. I’m interested in the 1C compound though, possibly better grip in wet, but it will definitely loose the magical low rolling resistance of the 4C
Nice test, the schwalbe blind test was interesting, happy to not feel the need to try those out anymore. Continental is king by a country mile right now as far as I'm concerned. I think argotal and high roller III deserves a head-to-head though
I Ride Whistler On My CF Demo8 . The Only Tire I Use Is The Assegai F/B 2.5 DD MaxxGrip F 21psi 2.5 DH Maxxgrip R 21psi. 😎 Stunning Combo 😎 Can't Wait For Opening Day 😎
I use kryptotal rear, WTB vigilante front. And yes, the traction is insane, I don't like continentals on the front, too stiff, bouncy and I tried the Argotal, which only works on loose soil to muddy, whereas the vigilantes work well on all conditions. Can't stand maxxis tires, they either work great for a couple of rides and then slide all over the place, or miss the mark altogether, sure, perfect for racers, but for the average joe, wtb and continental will do better in general
The Argotal is my winter front tire and i love it. We almost never have dry ground and these do very well in it, also doesnt seem to slip much on wet roots. For dry conditions, i am going to try the Kryptotal this year.
@@jaybartlett2561both downhill and ultra soft compound. The tachy chans casing feels thinner/softer than magic mary thought. Both 2.4. Great damping and traction. I run them on my nukeproof giga, and on my e-bike I have magic mary/ eddy current.
Quite a job you guys did here! Try swapping krf to rear and krr to front for more bite. I moved FSX from rear to front too, and kept it there, a bit square like the Conti but so predictable.
i think the choice of a tire mostly depends on the bike type, riding style, rider weight and bike weight, set up, air pressure, weather conditions, riding style, damper setting, personal preferences, - very complicated. for me , the assegai dd front and the new maxxis highroller gen 3 downhll casing rear works best on my yt decoy ebike enduro.
I was expecting a Kenda Hellkat front and Pinner rear. I love both of those tires and was curious to see how they stacked up against the Contis, but I'm a bit disappointed the double black is a dud. What riders and teams did they do development with? The Hellkat was developed with Polygon UR (Tracey Hannah), and the Pinner with the Gwinner. Both of those inspire tons of confidence on the front end. I know Neko did some east coast test rides 3 years ago (posted on his channel), but I can't imagine they'd turn out like that.
They're going some weird direction. That rubber is so grippy, casings literally bulletproof but yes, they feel quite baloony and wear super fast. Also way too soft rubber to pedal it in the rear
Errh... interesting. MM radial gravity front / Albert radial gravity rear, both +0.2 bar pressure on Canyon Torque ON here.. Beats regular MM/Betty setup, especially grip and damping. By far. Can not second your impressions of the radial casings the slightest. Sadly, gives a view on test results in general. Fair one, all the best guys.
Conti should have sent you an Argotal front if they had I bet they would have been number 1. I also prefer the enduro casing with the soft compound. I really wonder how this test would have been if you guys had just used your intuition and feedback from fans to pick the best tires for what you were doing rather than some manufacturer rep trying to sell something. 😊
I'm a big fan of the Michelin DH 22 they're a bit less heavy than they were and the magix compound was really magic but on the Wild Enduro magi x it feels different, less connected.
Maxxis - would you choose HR3 over Assegai up front? HR3 scored better than Assegai last year, but this is front and rear, so it could make a difference. DHR2 out back (or add your thought here for rear)
@vitalmtb you recommended high roller up front and dhr in back? Currently running Kyrpt up front and xyn out back, great fast rolling dh tires. Was wondering if you tried that combo?
the sad thing is that in dry conditions, most tires performs okay. The same thing does not happen in the wet and even worse if your put then in mud condition.
Dry is what people ride in most of the time though, especially those of us who don't live in the PNW. Loose over hardpack and rocky, gravelly conditions is the norm here in Colorado. Our trails are unrideable in the wet as they just turn into horribly sticky peanut butter mud.
@@mrvwbug4423 I can understand that, but in some places, like my city, Joinville, it stays south of south america, this city in particular it rains a lot. So most of our rides are in the wet, and the Assegai works really good on that. But I would Love to try something different.
Some summer days are terrible, way worst than wet IMO depending on the terrain. My local bike park at the end summer,0 rain for weeks and 35º C for more than a month is harder to ride than any wet day. Try a new DH22,for muddy trails works way better than the Assegai and still good for any other condition or trail. Assegai is very good but it packs with mud easy. Anyway the DH 22 or the Magic Mary would work better in muddy trails.
All the non professional riders who’ve tried making the radial schwalbes make them sound like the second coming and have a bigger improvement on the contis than the contis had over the maxxis tires. Guess big schwalbe forgot to cradle the balls when they dropped of their bribe check.
I've been riding Magic Mary radials for over 2 months & can honestly say they ARE the 2nd coming (I've lost count how many times I've...) but they are as big of a step forward as 29ers were to 26" wheels. My buddy bought a set of radial Alberts & hated them, so the different carcasses/tread pattern/compounds may have something to do with it, but radial technology IS the future. I ride in the Northeast so that may be why they work so well for me & not in the Northwest. All I can say, if one negative test closes your mind to the huge improvement in confidence that radials provide, you'll regret it. I don't understand how the opinion of these 2 "professional" tester's can nullify the MANY tests (some also by professionals) raving about them.
Irony the timing of this video. I have been on Maxxis for 10+ years. Assegai and Dissector/DHR2 are my go to. I just mounted Conti in enduro casing soft compound. My first ride impressions are the stiffer sidewall less compliant/comfort than Maxxis. I did feel the front hooked up well. I am still playing with psi and find the stiffer casing is going to lower my psi. Hopefully gain some comfort without sacrificing durability.
I've found that with the Conti's I can run a little less pressure compared to the Maxxis DD I usually run because of the firm side support the continentals offer, to gain more compliance. Also the super soft is the way to go front and rear (I found the soft is a okay in the rear, but not my favorite in the front), it lasts longer that Maxxis Maxgrip and offers great grip although I still feel MG is maybe a bit grippier compound overall.
@@talesfromthetrailz You are more patient than me installing a insert with the DH Conti's. They are so stiff on their own that I cannot imagine trying to squeeze in a insert as well. They are much harder to install compared to DD Maxxis I have installed, which I can install in no time. I run my Continental DH casings without an insert, even on my heavy 160e.
@superawesomefuntimego I have carbon rims so maybe I'm being bougie hahaha but I've got the hang of it. The cushcore helpers help a lot man. Been thinking of taking em out tho. Just scared of busting a carbon rim lol
Only problem I find with Maxxis compared to conti’s is wear rate. Both me and a friend had brand new tyres in Morzine for a week. My DHR 2 is nearly dead, whereas my mates krypotal re will easy do another week or two. I do like Maxxis but they would honestly cost me double a year in tyres especially on the ebike.
For sure. I love the performance of Maxxis tires but they wear too quickly for me, especially in the rear and especially when I'm running the Maxxgrip compound in the wetter half of the year. The wear rate is the number one reason I'm considering Continental tires next dry season.
Yeah, the Dissector is my favorite Maxxis rear tire, but holy hell do they wear out fast. The only Maxxis tire that doesn't wear out fast is the Assegai.
I love Kryptotals but would NEVER run the endurance compound up front. The people who gives Kryptotals bad reviews make the mistake of Trail endurance on both ends.
I haven't ridden any Schwalbe radial tire yet, and I'm undecided if I like the brand. *But* it seems unfair to release a review of a product that you unknowingly used improperly (too low pressure) and claim that this would make it more impartial.
We were given zero information about the tire and rode it before the tire came out. It would have been nice to have been given information from schwalbe but unfortunately we weren’t given the information. Also, our normal pressures are higher than what most people typically run. Jason did put the tire back on his bike recently and will be doing a follow up on the site.
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For those asking about the Schwalbe Albert and it's radial casing...
I tested the tires more after this test once all the info on the radial casing was released. I rode with more pressure which did improve lateral support. The issue was anything over 30psi front/32psi rear and the tires became extra responsive-in a bad way. Increasing pressure didn't seem to make the casing much firmer under the tread, so when hitting rocks and bumps, the tire still deformed, but the extra pressure seemed to increase the tire's rebound.
I haven’t found anything from Schwalbe that says ‘run more pressure.’ They say you can run higher pressures and still receive a larger contact patch. But from my testing, pressure solved one issue and introduced another with the Albert Gravity.
More of my thoughts on the Albert/radial casing here - www.vitalmtb.com/forums/hub/tire-chat-nerds-only?page=10
I still personally prefer the Magic Marry in Soft and super soft, would have liked if it was in this test
The magic marry and big betty or Tacky chan in the back is currently my favourite combos
30 and 32, holy crumunga. too much
@@86309 though I don't think you're entirely off base, if you're ripping fast, high speed, high cornering force trails on repeat that might be what I'd want too. If I'm riding mary/betty super gravity's at 24/26, I'd probably start on that casing at 26/28.
this review would have been more informative if it had listed rider's weight and PSI used in the tires they test because weight and PSI play a major part traction
It has been said they started off of some equal pressure and adjusted for maximum "performance" (don't know if it means grip or whatnot), so the tyres been given their best chance. And what are the actual numbers - why would anyone care since it is sooooo personal.
Should you need a reference, use some online calculator.
awesome roundup, i really appreciate the explanations of the scores, especially side by side by side. disappointed in various manufacturers not putting rubber in the ring, like specialized, WTB, goodyear, bontrager, and smaller brands like delium and american classic. Very excited to see less common tire manufacturers like vee, kenda, and e*thirteen pop up in the roundup, to shed more light onto alternatives to the big yellow.
though having so many might make testing a nightmare for you guys.
I wonder if the Schwalbe's would've done better if you upped the psi -- I just got a pair & at normal psi's they were noodly, but upped pressures @4psi (which they recommend), & made em feel waaaay better.....!
Same! Didn't have grip on my 1st ride i actually removed it. Reinstalled with tannus and upped the psi and we are good!
Exactly my thoughts, the reason it isn't digging into looser terrain might be caused by the pressure being too low and therefore the load is being spread across all the knobs which won't allow them to "dig in".
Yup, I'm running Shredda R F/R of my bike, had to up the psi but they are insanely grippy.
Hilarious how they had no idea they were running it at too low a psi!
Min 1:33: "we started at the same pressure in each, we then addjustet pressure to maximize tire performance" sounds like they tried different pressures to me 🤔
I like the Kryptotals more in the Enduro casing. A bit more lively and even tho I was afraid that they'd slash easily they've held up really well. Way stronger than the weight would suggest. They also roll very good in relation to the grip level. And a bonus for someone living in a cold climate: they keep their grippyness when the weather gets colder way better than Maxxis MaxxGrip or MaxxTerra.
I've got a rear in the enduro casing in the parts bin that I just haven't ridden as when I first touched it the sidewall felt like paper. You say yours have held up fine? What kind of terrain are you riding, and at what pressure?
Gonna get a set of those Vee's for sure. I've been curious for awhile now - great breakdown of performance characteristics!
That was def surprising to me, I always associated Vee with the flow snaps which I never heard great things about. These seem much different!
The trick with the Conti DH casings is to run about 2 psi less than Maxxis. I run the exact same combo of Kryptotals you tested on a RM Altitude and they're by far my favorite tires. The front rides a lot like the Assegai but without the vagueness of the Assegai. The rear is hands down the best back tire I've ridden and if you prefer the feel of say a DHF up front I think these would do very well up front too. They also roll a bit faster than the bog standard Assegai/DHR2 combo so if you're pedaling uphill they're certainly the winner of this test. I am now curious to try a HR3 up front, but I've heard it rolls slower than the Assegai so would definitely be a front only affair outside of a park bike or ebike.
Hi, are not the contis a nightmare to mount on rims? I read it, its true?
Thanks
I am a lil bit desapointed that I ordered Schwalbe's Radial a fex days back without having seen this video ! Will give them a fair try though. Great content !
The Albert is really a trail tread pattern not DH. I tried them and like the casing feel, n eded more PSI but ultimately the tread patter was an issue. I then tried the shredda Rear on the F/R of my bike, absolutely excellent 👌. These tires HOOK UP.
I've been riding Continental Kryptotal front and Xynotal on the rear in their enduro casing on my enduro bike. I agree about the feedback increase from the squishy Maxxis tires, but the speed increase and predictability of the grip is very appreciated. I don't like tires that feel like a workout to pedal on flat ground like 3C Maxxis tires. I love my Continentals, and they look sick.
I’m running the e13 grappler enduro (mopo) compound front and dh rear in Australia. My conditions are dust and blown out corners and these tyres inspire confidence versus Maxxis assegai dh soft I was using prior. Also the e13 are $45 cheaper per tyre compared to conti, maxxis etc
thanks guys! Lots of useful infos!
I was a Maxxis guy for years, mostly Assegai front and Aggressor rear (usually MaxxGrip or 3C and DH casing). I've got 230 miles on a set of Conti Kryptotal front (DH casing super soft) and Xynotal rear (DH casing soft) tires and I'm in love. Not only a huge improvement in grip but also a better "damped" feel and the HUGE different is in how SLOW they wear! 330 miles on these and my Maxxis tires would have been TOAST by this point, but the Conti's are still doing so good! That said, I might have to check out that high roller..
I agree about the conti tyres! The braking in soft terrain is amazing
Its crazy how assegai-inspired a lot of these tyres look. Some variation of 2-3-3-2 or 2-3-2 center knobs, big ole transition knobs, rounder profile
Great test. Keeping as many variables the same as possible is hard. Changing Schwalbe psi makes a huge difference!! But I also run conti Argotal front and kryptotal re. Epic
Me too, because they don’t make a Kryptotal fr in 2.6.
For bike park laps I would choose a Michelin DH22 over the enduro version. I think Michelin makes a very top tire contender for best all rounder with the Assegai ,Magic Mary and Kryptotal . Maxxis still makes the best tires out there IMO,tons of options. I tested this summer DH22 front DH16 rear in my DH bike,very good combo but the DH16 changes in a few days of ride and lost a ton of grip. Michelin tires had a little more feedback than other tires,easy to ride on the edge.
I like the DH Butcher for rear tire in my enduro bike,decent rolling very good grip.
The main issue with Michelin DH tires is they wear out VERY quickly, it's a one lap and done race tire designed for world cups.
@@mrvwbug4423 I got that combo all summer and is still good to go. The DH 16 is a very fast tire,it changes cos tire knobs wear fast till certain point but the tire is still good. DH 22 on the front could go another full season 100%. Those are not a 1 lap tires IMO,it is true that wear faster than a Schwable or Conti tires,but not far from Maxxis max gripp or Specialized T9 tires. I did more than 20 full days of Loudenville,Luchon (steep AF) and La Pinilla bike park 0 issues,very happy rides.
To me the new DH22 is one of the best overall tires out there,it goes well in any terrain and the feedback in corners is impressive. Other good thing to mention is those tires do not catch mud easy and are decent for wet summer laps in muddy trails. For the rear tire a harder compound would be nice, Michelin need offer more options like Maxxis or Conti.
The Vittoria Mostro should have been in the FRONT! I have been running the Mazza in the front for a year and I just switched for the Mostro in 4C compound and it was an absolute game changer! So much more predictable than the Mazza. I like the Mazza in the rear because it doesn’t have the transition nob and follows the front wheel better while cornering atc. Also running the soft 1C compound which is meant for wet conditions was a big error imo. The 4C compound is the way to go for main season riding.
Could you please tell me how the 4C feels in the wet? I'm very curious about Vittoria Mazza and their other tires, but I've never had the opportunity to try those out.
@@WinterGameplays not good. It's a pretty firm compound and when the rocks are wet it's not good. I have the 1c mostro f/r now And I like it a lot
Just looking at the tread pattern whilst he described it had me asking why he wasn't running it in the front.
@@KlintonSilvey I’m looking forward for comparing the 4C x 1C compound but unfortunately the 1C compound won’t be available until January where I live 🥲 I can write my findings here after I compare them. But I’m glad to hear that it works better in wet, because that’s the only thing that the 4C is missing. I’ll definitely be running it in the summer season though, it’s really good on dry and loose stuff imo.
@@cunning-stunt Yeah, it was really odd tbh. I had the Mazza in the front and even though I love Vittoria, I wasn’t happy. I just couldn’t tell why exactly, but it didn’t give me much confidence. I realized why after I switched to the Mostro.
The Mazza has a really pronounced “dead zone” between the center and side knobs, which made you loose a bit of grip while leaning the bike over, so for example while riding flat corners, you would start the corner, get into the dead zone and lost the line a little bit and then you had to correct it when the side knobs hooked.
The Mostro compare to this has absolutely smooth transition without any dead zone. I was even amazed on how much you can carve a turn on asphalt road, the transition is just so confident inspiring.
The side knobs protrude a little bit more than the transition nobs and my theory is that is the reason why the transition to side knobs is so smooth. It just works, I really recommend it. I’m interested in the 1C compound though, possibly better grip in wet, but it will definitely loose the magical low rolling resistance of the 4C
Nice test, the schwalbe blind test was interesting, happy to not feel the need to try those out anymore. Continental is king by a country mile right now as far as I'm concerned. I think argotal and high roller III deserves a head-to-head though
sweet , have some High Rollers on the way!
It's interesting that other reviews raved about the tires, I guess a person just has to ignore tests and go have fun riding
I Ride Whistler On My CF Demo8 . The Only Tire I Use Is The Assegai F/B 2.5 DD MaxxGrip F 21psi 2.5 DH Maxxgrip R 21psi. 😎 Stunning Combo 😎 Can't Wait For Opening Day 😎
You might like the new High Roller 3 then
I use kryptotal rear, WTB vigilante front. And yes, the traction is insane, I don't like continentals on the front, too stiff, bouncy and I tried the Argotal, which only works on loose soil to muddy, whereas the vigilantes work well on all conditions. Can't stand maxxis tires, they either work great for a couple of rides and then slide all over the place, or miss the mark altogether, sure, perfect for racers, but for the average joe, wtb and continental will do better in general
The Argotal is my winter front tire and i love it. We almost never have dry ground and these do very well in it, also doesnt seem to slip much on wet roots. For dry conditions, i am going to try the Kryptotal this year.
What you missed on the Albert you'll get from a Tacky Chan.
That tire front+rear is just amazing👌
That’s the tire. I’m interested in trying.
Tachy rear and mary front is my current setup and love it!
@@sambolo what kind of casing? Also what bike do you have?
@@jaybartlett2561both downhill and ultra soft compound. The tachy chans casing feels thinner/softer than magic mary thought. Both 2.4. Great damping and traction. I run them on my nukeproof giga, and on my e-bike I have magic mary/ eddy current.
Running Tacky Chan front (super soft, trail casing) and rear (soft, gravity casing) and i am massively impressed by their performance.
Quite a job you guys did here!
Try swapping krf to rear and krr to front for more bite. I moved FSX from rear to front too, and kept it there, a bit square like the Conti but so predictable.
I'm using the High Roller 3 in the rear and felt the same as mentioned in the video.
How are you guys finding the Hunt Wheels?
They've done schwalbes tire dirty 😂
I'm trying out the Schwalbe Shreddas next, they seem the perfect fit for my emtb.
Superstars are ignored like the Magic Marry Ultra Soft so I miss a referential here. Care to share how this one would score ?
i think the choice of a tire mostly depends on the bike type, riding style, rider weight and bike weight, set up, air pressure, weather conditions, riding style, damper setting, personal preferences, - very complicated. for me , the assegai dd front and the new maxxis highroller gen 3 downhll casing rear works best on my yt decoy ebike enduro.
I was expecting a Kenda Hellkat front and Pinner rear. I love both of those tires and was curious to see how they stacked up against the Contis, but I'm a bit disappointed the double black is a dud. What riders and teams did they do development with? The Hellkat was developed with Polygon UR (Tracey Hannah), and the Pinner with the Gwinner. Both of those inspire tons of confidence on the front end. I know Neko did some east coast test rides 3 years ago (posted on his channel), but I can't imagine they'd turn out like that.
They're going some weird direction. That rubber is so grippy, casings literally bulletproof but yes, they feel quite baloony and wear super fast. Also way too soft rubber to pedal it in the rear
Errh... interesting. MM radial gravity front / Albert radial gravity rear, both +0.2 bar pressure on Canyon Torque ON here.. Beats regular MM/Betty setup, especially grip and damping. By far. Can not second your impressions of the radial casings the slightest. Sadly, gives a view on test results in general. Fair one, all the best guys.
Conti should have sent you an Argotal front if they had I bet they would have been number 1. I also prefer the enduro casing with the soft compound.
I really wonder how this test would have been if you guys had just used your intuition and feedback from fans to pick the best tires for what you were doing rather than some manufacturer rep trying to sell something. 😊
Onza porcupine or ibex is my go to
I'm a big fan of the Michelin DH 22 they're a bit less heavy than they were and the magix compound was really magic but on the Wild Enduro magi x it feels different, less connected.
I've heard DH22s are an expensive habit though, since they wear out EXTREMELY quickly.
Maxxis - would you choose HR3 over Assegai up front? HR3 scored better than Assegai last year, but this is front and rear, so it could make a difference. DHR2 out back (or add your thought here for rear)
The internal width of the rim on the Hunt wheels is 33mm. Could this have had an impact on this tests results?
Does the high roller roll pretty good as a rear? Thinking of running assgai up front and the roller in the rear
It rolls fine, but not as fast as a DHR II.
@vitalmtb you recommended high roller up front and dhr in back? Currently running Kyrpt up front and xyn out back, great fast rolling dh tires. Was wondering if you tried that combo?
I will go for Michellins to save little bit weight
I ditched Albert Radial in the rear, squirm city.
the sad thing is that in dry conditions, most tires performs okay. The same thing does not happen in the wet and even worse if your put then in mud condition.
Dry is what people ride in most of the time though, especially those of us who don't live in the PNW. Loose over hardpack and rocky, gravelly conditions is the norm here in Colorado. Our trails are unrideable in the wet as they just turn into horribly sticky peanut butter mud.
@@mrvwbug4423 I can understand that, but in some places, like my city, Joinville, it stays south of south america, this city in particular it rains a lot. So most of our rides are in the wet, and the Assegai works really good on that. But I would Love to try something different.
Some summer days are terrible, way worst than wet IMO depending on the terrain. My local bike park at the end summer,0 rain for weeks and 35º C for more than a month is harder to ride than any wet day. Try a new DH22,for muddy trails works way better than the Assegai and still good for any other condition or trail. Assegai is very good but it packs with mud easy. Anyway the DH 22 or the Magic Mary would work better in muddy trails.
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All the non professional riders who’ve tried making the radial schwalbes make them sound like the second coming and have a bigger improvement on the contis than the contis had over the maxxis tires. Guess big schwalbe forgot to cradle the balls when they dropped of their bribe check.
I've been riding Magic Mary radials for over 2 months & can honestly say they ARE the 2nd coming (I've lost count how many times I've...) but they are as big of a step forward as 29ers were to 26" wheels. My buddy bought a set of radial Alberts & hated them, so the different carcasses/tread pattern/compounds may have something to do with it, but radial technology IS the future.
I ride in the Northeast so that may be why they work so well for me & not in the Northwest. All I can say, if one negative test closes your mind to the huge improvement in confidence that radials provide, you'll regret it. I don't understand how the opinion of these 2 "professional" tester's can nullify the MANY tests (some also by professionals) raving about them.
I actually saw jesus in my soup right after fitting them
They didn’t RTFM and check that have to put higher pressure then a normal tyre
@@pbls43 agreed
@@Tumid1what casing, compaund and size did you go for? I can only find gravity soft and 2.5
Would love a ultra soft 2.6 but do they even make them?
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Maxxis, Michelin, Schwalbe not sending front and rear specific tires was……a choice
Irony the timing of this video. I have been on Maxxis for 10+ years. Assegai and Dissector/DHR2 are my go to. I just mounted Conti in enduro casing soft compound. My first ride impressions are the stiffer sidewall less compliant/comfort than Maxxis. I did feel the front hooked up well. I am still playing with psi and find the stiffer casing is going to lower my psi. Hopefully gain some comfort without sacrificing durability.
I've found that with the Conti's I can run a little less pressure compared to the Maxxis DD I usually run because of the firm side support the continentals offer, to gain more compliance. Also the super soft is the way to go front and rear (I found the soft is a okay in the rear, but not my favorite in the front), it lasts longer that Maxxis Maxgrip and offers great grip although I still feel MG is maybe a bit grippier compound overall.
I run DH casing in Conti and run almost 5psi less and it handles just as well as a maxxis
I also run cushcore so maybe that's it too
@@talesfromthetrailz You are more patient than me installing a insert with the DH Conti's. They are so stiff on their own that I cannot imagine trying to squeeze in a insert as well. They are much harder to install compared to DD Maxxis I have installed, which I can install in no time. I run my Continental DH casings without an insert, even on my heavy 160e.
@superawesomefuntimego I have carbon rims so maybe I'm being bougie hahaha but I've got the hang of it. The cushcore helpers help a lot man. Been thinking of taking em out tho. Just scared of busting a carbon rim lol
High roller vs DHR2
Only problem I find with Maxxis compared to conti’s is wear rate. Both me and a friend had brand new tyres in Morzine for a week. My DHR 2 is nearly dead, whereas my mates krypotal re will easy do another week or two. I do like Maxxis but they would honestly cost me double a year in tyres especially on the ebike.
For sure. I love the performance of Maxxis tires but they wear too quickly for me, especially in the rear and especially when I'm running the Maxxgrip compound in the wetter half of the year. The wear rate is the number one reason I'm considering Continental tires next dry season.
Yeah, the Dissector is my favorite Maxxis rear tire, but holy hell do they wear out fast. The only Maxxis tire that doesn't wear out fast is the Assegai.
@@blangeleven I wouldn’t go back tbh the conti’s are really good. Running an Argotal up front for winter and it’s amazing
how could you forget pirelli tires
Love my Kryptotal Trail Endurance front and Xynotal Trail Endurance rear combo for aggressive trail riding
I love Kryptotals but would NEVER run the endurance compound up front. The people who gives Kryptotals bad reviews make the mistake of Trail endurance on both ends.
@@mrvwbug4423 Yea, they should drop that endurance compound for anything other than XC/Marathon. Rock hard & limited grip.
🤦♂ You guys put rear tyres up front and vice versa
I haven't ridden any Schwalbe radial tire yet, and I'm undecided if I like the brand. *But* it seems unfair to release a review of a product that you unknowingly used improperly (too low pressure) and claim that this would make it more impartial.
We were given zero information about the tire and rode it before the tire came out. It would have been nice to have been given information from schwalbe but unfortunately we weren’t given the information. Also, our normal pressures are higher than what most people typically run. Jason did put the tire back on his bike recently and will be doing a follow up on the site.
I been riding Albert Radial, nothing special, seems soft or firm, not just right.
I couldn't disagree more.
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They are from America, so the grammar is correct 😉
Ha ha ha, this review is an absolute joke
Could you elaborate on why you think this?