Does Carry Down on a Bowling Lane Exist? Lane Transition Tutorial.

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  • Опубликовано: 1 дек 2024

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  • @sirvenomik
    @sirvenomik 2 года назад +5

    i have been bowling again after 20 years 3 years back i have improved my average from 167 my first season to this last season averaging 195 thanks to tips from this channel and some serious practice and equipment up grades thankyou so much

  • @snoopy_79
    @snoopy_79 2 года назад +8

    Awesome video! Thanks for showing us the lane and how it’s affected. I’ll keep that all in mind as I head to my next league night

  • @KoolBell4AU
    @KoolBell4AU 2 года назад +16

    Carry down without using urethane. I've been arguing this with folks for 2 years. There is no way 100% of the oil will be absorbed by your ball. Some oil is being redistributed on every shot thrown.

    • @kylemc8851
      @kylemc8851 Год назад

      Why are you arguing with people about bowling?

    • @XenoGuru
      @XenoGuru Год назад +1

      ​@kylemc8851 Because too many bowlers complain or make excuses about one thing or another.
      One of the biggest is that urethane messes up their recovery spot down lane.
      All bowling balls carry down oil. If the spot gets ornery, you have to change zones, angles, or equipment to combat it.
      The primary amount of complainers are normally "one dimensional" bowlers who don't have a full arsenal of different shots.

  • @dieseldood
    @dieseldood 2 года назад +5

    This I a great video. So many people don't know or understand what you just showed. A buddy who bowls was over and we happened to throw the PBA on, where you can see the oil. This was something that was amazing to watch happen in real time. Especially with 2 bowlers using Urethane!
    I hope someday that could be used as a coaching and video tool.
    Keep up the good work!

    • @insidebowling
      @insidebowling  2 года назад

      Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching our videos, we appreciate it!!

  • @cquay3
    @cquay3 2 года назад +3

    Excellent. Best visual ive seen to explain.carry down and transition. Great job.

  • @SirJoelsuf1
    @SirJoelsuf1 2 года назад +13

    Brian: After just 15 minutes of two players practicing, 38 feet can resemble 40 feet.
    Add 6 more players and give em all urethane equipment, and all of a sudden 38 feet turns into 50 feet lol

    • @tonyguerrier2258
      @tonyguerrier2258 2 года назад

      was thinking the same thing. For someone like me who's just an amateur Thursday night league bowler the amount of people throwing all different lines really plays havoc on the oil

    • @jvmiller1995
      @jvmiller1995 2 года назад +1

      @@tonyguerrier2258 yep and you get the guys that don't have the rev rate to throw urethane doing it anyway and just messing up your line. Not to bash low rev guys I kind of a tweener myself so I feel I would be far from making a purple hammer a real weapon for me. But they can erase my line fast too.

  • @scottaustin4015
    @scottaustin4015 2 года назад +2

    Great tip and Shannon love the roto grip shirt congratulations on the switch

  • @loridheath2062
    @loridheath2062 2 года назад +4

    Nice video and great tips as always. Ran into transition on league last week which was drastic. Congratulations on your switch to Roto Grip.

  • @ripvanrevs
    @ripvanrevs 2 года назад +3

    Most house shots I bowled on would dry out as they were just applying more oil on the front before each league and there was already carry down. Before one league where they stripped the lanes before they oiled them, there was no oil on the back end so that caused what you described. As a right hander, I would keep moving right the first game or two as the oil carried down. Eventually some the oil would dry and I would start moving left. Most of the alleys I bowled would strip the lanes once a week. There was always that one day each week where the lanes would score the best. This was 20 years ago so I don't know if this is still common today.

    • @peteg475
      @peteg475 2 года назад

      That's an excellent point that I never considered, and you don't hear talked about much. How often does bowling center management strip off the carrydown oil on the lane between the pattern and the pins?

    • @grillmaster95
      @grillmaster95 2 года назад

      @@peteg475 I bet it's not too often. Always come into league and just feel like the lanes are murky rather than having clean backends even during practice. Along with never wiping any oil off the pin deck, it can lead to some tough time scoring with pins sliding that should probably be falling.

  • @lindawill7343
    @lindawill7343 Месяц назад

    Glad to know. Thank you for explaining and Giorgio it helps my game😊

  • @hammerwde1205
    @hammerwde1205 2 года назад +7

    Can you explain the difference between reactive and urethane effects this transition?
    Also, difference between dull and shinny surfaces?

    • @insidebowling
      @insidebowling  2 года назад +8

      Urethane flares less which will keep more oil where the ball is rolling. This oil will move down lane faster than an oil-absorbent bowling ball coverstock. Same goes for shiny vs dull. Good question!

    • @horseshoe_nc
      @horseshoe_nc 2 года назад +1

      @@insidebowling flair is how much the axis of rotation changes, correct?

    • @Dainslaif
      @Dainslaif 2 года назад

      @@horseshoe_nc Kinda - it's the trail of oil left on your ball from the spin axis changing as the weight block settles into it's preferred spin axis. The more the spin axis changes, the more the ball can turn during this transition because it's essentially using more fresh ball surface (and thus more flare). The less the spin axis changes, the more used ball surface touches the lane again (and thus less flare), which pushes the oil down more.

  • @johnwillock6787
    @johnwillock6787 2 года назад +5

    Been nice if you could do it with coloured oil.

  • @louandkathygower5853
    @louandkathygower5853 2 года назад +1

    Taking a look at the first 6 ft of the lane would be good too. I'd be interested in your opinions on how to deal with it as well. I do realize all of the variables involved makes this a tough one to answer

  • @troywiggins3869
    @troywiggins3869 2 года назад +4

    MORE OF THESE TYPE OF TIPS PLEASE!!! Bowling Mythbusters!!!

  • @rc4361
    @rc4361 2 года назад +4

    I’m a newbie at age 65 lol 😂 and I love your tips

  • @jspur7507
    @jspur7507 2 года назад +1

    Hello. Yes what he is saying is right. And I think of that awesome singer Carol King when I hear him talking about how lanes do change when your bowling, and that's why I don't waste money on bowling because there are no pro bowlers who are better than any other pro bowler, or even non-pro bowlers because it's a game of uncertainty which is called the uncertainty Principle devised by Heisenberg. i think of that song: It's so far-away, doesn't anybody stray in one place anymore. Well that's why I just don't need to prove anything to anybody much less some local-yocal pro-bowler like Pete Weber for instance. But I wouldn't bowl unless the lanes stayed the same all of the time because I don't really need to move continually because I like to know that if I throw a good ball it will be a Strike, and in real life it's not so i'm stuck not ever having to prove myself because it's no contest anymore. I don't need to do it unless i'm having fun. And it's okay to do it for fun so as long as your not spending much money. I haven't bought a ball in 20 years or so, so there you know where I stand.
    Although bowling is a game of Spares and I learned that years ago. And I guess that's because lanes change, and nobody can blame the commission for the facts that the lanes change, and I don't know whether anybody can make a lane3 that doesn't change, and I guess that remains to be seen as of yet. Also I have bowled long enough to know that carry is crucial, but the amount of carry depends upon how much oil is on the lane, or how much room you decide to give the ball based on how much oil and how slow or fast that you throw it. However once one gets that worked out then he must get that hook at the very end right to get a strike, and that's the problem. How much room, how hard to throw it, and make sure that it carries first and then hooks always because it doesn't matter if it hits brooklyn, or even through the nose, and that's because it carries and it hooks right, and thus that cancels where you hit it out because you have enough hook and carry to begin with.
    Well hope this helps you. I agree that carry is everything though he's right.

    • @insidebowling
      @insidebowling  2 года назад

      There will certainly be more two handers in bowling's future. That being said, there are many one handed bowlers that generate as much, and some even more, rev rate than some of the two handers. EJ Tackett is one of those guys. Thanks for watching and thanks for your comments!

  • @michealmaley3566
    @michealmaley3566 2 года назад

    Shannon Great tip Tuesday and Congratulations on signing with Roto Grip....

  • @stevothegreat
    @stevothegreat 2 года назад +1

    Wow , thanks for the explaining the oil changes on the lane , can you give any advices on which ball to use when the oil on lane starting to to move around ? I usually start with my reactive ball , then later change to urethane ball in the third game . Any advices ? I appericate it very much.

    • @insidebowling
      @insidebowling  2 года назад +2

      That's hard to answer very specifically as the ball choice could depend on the oil pattern being used, the lane surface and the individual bowlers ball speed, rev rate and ball roll. Sometimes as the oil moves and the lanes transition a bit the correct adjustment could be using the same ball but making moves laterally with the feet and target. Thanks for watching and thanks for the question!

  • @keeganjacobs5913
    @keeganjacobs5913 10 месяцев назад

    Great video, do some bowling balls pick up more oil than others and are we saying the oil from the front lanes get all the way down to the pins?

  • @jeremywillhoit7923
    @jeremywillhoit7923 2 года назад

    Wow very useful!! Everyone kept telling me this but I had no idea! That's why I'll shoot a 258 then drop to a 209!

  • @jvmiller1995
    @jvmiller1995 2 года назад

    I play that faithful down and in from the 10 board right off. But so does everyone else on my team and half the teams we bowl. Learning to really keep the elbow rotated in and stay behind the ball more and I found I have a powerful roll with little hook but more a snap at the end . For me that is keeping the ball from the 11 to the 20. Anything out side the 10 is going to scream back left because the oil is gone and their is early friction. Stay behind it and it goes longer before turning and mostly the ball is not burning up its energy and not carry. Low rev players need to concentrate their game to play in the oil more I think. You would think the opposite, but you do not always need a huge angle and a forward roll also means a little more speed and that is not always bad. Having multiple attacks angles and even balls to change to with less surface. To me it is a must if you want to really hold anything north or 200 average. Lot of good tips for us to learn from on you tube at the moment. This is just as good and even better than others. You guys have helped my average a bunch. Remember don't be afraid to move or ball placement 5 or 10 boards in.

  • @dennis300cr
    @dennis300cr 2 года назад

    Exactly then multiply this by 2 teams of 5 bowlers on a pair of lanes, say all are right handed and after the first game the carry down is apparent and I end up moving right a few boards but usually add a bit of ball speed or loft the ball out a bit more and still have a nice shot!

  • @colorado_koolaid2625
    @colorado_koolaid2625 2 года назад +1

    So what would guys say if I didn’t have that much rev and the carry down happened, what type of ball(solid, pearl, sym, asym, etc) should I throw? 🙏

  • @acdii
    @acdii 2 года назад +4

    So true. Game one OK, Game Two, Excellent, Game Three, Mediocre. That carry down can make a huge impact at the end, at least for my game, trying to catch a good line when 4 out of 6 bowlers carry the same line can make for an exciting game. For some reason my Black Widow becomes a straight ball by the third game, very difficult to get any hook out of it.

    • @jvmiller1995
      @jvmiller1995 2 года назад

      Would not be a issue at my house. Just get out side of the 10 by the last game and she is gone Brooklyn if not careful. Do you have other balls? Getting at least a 3 ball roller bag filled is a must any more. That's just for league. tournaments the more you have that roll different the better.

    • @acdii
      @acdii 2 года назад

      @@jvmiller1995 I do, I bought a Ghost and it has become my go to ball now. With my low rev rate throws, it has some astounding hook to it, but miss the mark at the arrow and it can REALLY take a left turn at the end! LOL

    • @jvmiller1995
      @jvmiller1995 2 года назад

      @@acdii I love my motiv Jackal ghost too. It is strong for a low rev player too. It is a Amazing a symetric. I have mostly motive and hammer. I would not give up my hammer bad ass or the jackal ghosts for any other ball at the moment.

    • @acdii
      @acdii 2 года назад

      @@jvmiller1995 Oh, sorry, should have been more specific, Black Widow Ghost Pearl. The only thing I don't care for is how quickly it picks up lane dirt.

  • @rogercarlson2330
    @rogercarlson2330 Год назад

    Question, do you start with a weaker control ball on THS , then go to stronger balls as the night progresses, or do you go strong out of the gate, balling down as you run out of room to the left? TIA.

  • @Ftybr57
    @Ftybr57 2 года назад +1

    You guys rock as always!

  • @Ubiiiii22
    @Ubiiiii22 2 года назад

    Fantastic video!

  •  7 месяцев назад

    Would the DNA coil be a good ball to play the carry down?

  • @ryanc9742
    @ryanc9742 2 года назад +2

    But don’t the bigger dry spots on the front have more of an impact than the little bitty lines on the back end?

    • @jakeb_91
      @jakeb_91 2 года назад +1

      They are two parts of the same problem. You can move left and avoid that dry spot entirely, but your breakpoint might be on top of one of those lines coming off the pattern, then your ball doesn’t finish

  • @machinethesun9243
    @machinethesun9243 2 года назад +1

    Would like to know what adjustments to make when bowling with a bunch of urethane bowlers. Suddenly they are everywhere. I've had some success jumping 5 boards left, but then I get trapped.

    • @insidebowling
      @insidebowling  2 года назад +1

      Good question and the answer may be different for different individual bowlers. Some have success moving further inside and then slowing the ball speed down and going more around the shot. This could at some point involve and equipment change as well to help create the correct shot shape. Others may find better success moving a bit further right and playing more of the hold that's been created down lane while keeping the speed up. Thanks for watching and thanks for the question!

  • @mountbara
    @mountbara 2 года назад +1

    Ah my home house. :) Good job you two!

  • @MotoCentric
    @MotoCentric Год назад

    GREAT INFO--THANK YOU

  • @MatthewWatches
    @MatthewWatches 2 месяца назад

    So what do you do when you're bowling on lanes where a lot of push down has already occurred, maybe after open bowling. At a certain point it gets to be that there is no back in reaction at all, because the breakpoint is all oily.

  • @anthonydeloach805
    @anthonydeloach805 2 года назад +1

    great information

  • @TaiNiPoni
    @TaiNiPoni Год назад

    So there’s no doubt carry down exists but what’s a good adjustment to counter it? Last night I had people on my pair throwing plastic and spraying it everywhere. No matter where I played way left or way right I would wrap or flat 10. So I ball up from iq tour to phaze 4 and 4-9 stone 9 etc. didn’t know if there was a good ball for carry down or if there was a move that I didn’t try but I tried everything it felt like and I couldn’t get around it.

  • @bgoggin88
    @bgoggin88 Год назад

    This is pretty eye opening

  • @tigertolliver5199
    @tigertolliver5199 2 года назад +1

    Brilliant!!!

  • @DaMaxchi
    @DaMaxchi 2 года назад +1

    I use a solid reactive asym and I notice that after a couple games on fresh my ball loses some reaction down lane. Is that because of carry down or because my ball is now using up too much energy early where there is less oil and so it runs out of gas at the backend? Although both factors play a role, which condition makes a bigger difference?

    • @the_bait_shop
      @the_bait_shop 2 года назад +2

      it's buring up in the front of the lane. . as you remove head oil , oil at the front of the lane, the ball doesn't skid through the front enough building up rotation. . less oil on the front it starts gripping and slowing down even 10-15 feet down the lane. this is why you have to keep moving into the oil with the front angle , to keep the back half reaction. once the head oil is gone you have to get out of that ball an into something that gets through the fronts on it's own.

    • @DaMaxchi
      @DaMaxchi 2 года назад +1

      @@the_bait_shop Thanks so much for the clarification. I shall try that adjustment in my next practice session. I've learned a lot via this channel!!!

  • @ninety9million928
    @ninety9million928 2 года назад

    Excellent... THank you!!!!

  • @el__2handed
    @el__2handed 2 года назад

    I'm joining a league in June: 4 players per team. I bowl 4-6 games solo on non-league days. Since the center is quieter on weekdays, I am usually able to get 2 lanes for cross play. Should I instead only ask for 1 lane to try to get it to transition?

  • @scrobag1
    @scrobag1 2 года назад +1

    While this is true for the lanes you were bowling on in this video. Am I to assume this holds true for every type of lane? Not every lane is the same brand, surface etc.. It is a big assumption to think this pertains to every lane. What about the type of balls being thrown? I think there are more variables to consider when determining the cause of carry down. Though I agree the effects are likely similar.

  • @bobbyhogan9207
    @bobbyhogan9207 2 года назад +1

    I would like to know what ball I need to be throwing after that transition occurs? The house I bowl in does not oil the lanes often and they are wood. The balls I have over react so much I am constantly on the left side of the pocket and I really struggle getting the ball right. I have moved so far left I am almost having to loft over the left gutter 🤷🏼‍♂️

    • @peteg475
      @peteg475 2 года назад

      Is increasing your ball speed an option?

    • @bobbyhogan9207
      @bobbyhogan9207 2 года назад

      @@peteg475 nope. I am throwing it about as fast as I can. Last time out, I raised the starting position of the ball but I still was high.

    • @peteg475
      @peteg475 2 года назад +1

      @@bobbyhogan9207 All I can say is switch to less aggressive balls that would barely hook? Or flatten your hand more on release? Don't know.

    • @bobbyhogan9207
      @bobbyhogan9207 2 года назад

      @@peteg475 thank you sir. I appreciate the help. I currently am using a Paze II and a C4. What would be a good starting point for a weaker ball?

    • @peteg475
      @peteg475 2 года назад +1

      @@bobbyhogan9207 Well, like a lot of other people I started with entry level stuff like the Rhino or the Twist. Stuff that will hook less. But I'm hardly an expert.

  • @jayveebee1076
    @jayveebee1076 2 года назад +1

    Bowling with a teammate who throws urethane I find it best to move right and go around his track

  • @briguyinsi
    @briguyinsi 2 года назад +3

    Noticed the RotoGrip shirt. Good move.

  • @David-ck9wv
    @David-ck9wv 2 года назад +1

    Welcome to Roto grip

  • @stevenbennett4210
    @stevenbennett4210 2 года назад

    Did I hear your now with Roto Grip?

  • @mreid08
    @mreid08 Год назад

    Of course it does, did it to myself last Tuesday and couldn't figure it out 😡

  • @thebriangroves
    @thebriangroves 2 года назад +4

    So basically Urethane and 2 handers are ruining bowling 😅

  • @travisfaircloth8341
    @travisfaircloth8341 2 года назад +1

    Yes, the left side of the lane is untouched but doesn’t mean it’s easier, even with the right handers having to move. If transition always made the lanes harder then the first game for righties would statistically be the highest. But it’s not and that’s because sometimes (and especially on sport patterns in my opinion) the transition makes the lanes a lot easier giving righties an advantage over lefties.

  • @nordattack
    @nordattack 2 года назад +2

    You showed carrydown with resin balls, now show carrydown on the same pattern with urethane balls.

  • @williamcarlton8257
    @williamcarlton8257 2 года назад +1

    His head is as smooth as a bowling ball....lol

  • @mudismail
    @mudismail Год назад

    👍

  • @chrisfentress13
    @chrisfentress13 2 года назад +1

    I like destroying the lanes with urethane so bowlers get frustrated when they leave single pins off a good pocket hit

  • @derankweert
    @derankweert 2 года назад

    and the tip is.... Move left 2 or 3 boards after 1/2 houre

  • @jeffreycaldwell5874
    @jeffreycaldwell5874 2 года назад

    The tip should be, move left move left move left

  • @jamestaylor5215
    @jamestaylor5215 2 года назад +1

    Bryan O'Keefe looks like he can bust out a few good dad jokes. All joking aside thanks for the vid. Also, boooooooo. Lefties have it so much easier!

    • @tonguetwista1313
      @tonguetwista1313 2 года назад +3

      It's just in your head that we Southpaws have it easier.
      Right handed bowlers can build up a wall much faster and easier than Southpaws, since there are sometimes very few of us bowling.
      I've been in tournaments, and league play, where I didn't have a shot whatsoever, and right handers had a wall, and were putting up scores that I couldn't come close to.

    • @jamestaylor5215
      @jamestaylor5215 2 года назад

      @Jim GarrettI agree with this. Only joking. :-)
      I actually think it is harder to be a lefty because you don't get the benefit of bowling on the burn by the third game in league.
      And then there are the jabbronies like me that throw urathane at the 7 and 10 pins to mess you guys up even more.

    • @bowlingxp8345
      @bowlingxp8345 2 года назад

      @@tonguetwista1313 It seems the stats though do support that left side players score more. Left handed people are 1 in 10. But several times you see 1 or 2 out of the top five in an event, be lefties.

  • @TNJRSFFS
    @TNJRSFFS 2 года назад

    I'll give you a like.... but that face in the end bro... you just about lost the like and sub.... 😆 🤣 😂

  • @ozneroll2132
    @ozneroll2132 2 года назад +3

    Nice video…..lousy tee shirt 😆

  • @angrywally4087
    @angrywally4087 2 года назад

    Richie Lucord (Me) 2 handed Left Handed
    (My Teammate) Nathan Galicia 1 handed Left handed Tweener
    Me and my Teammate has a Hard time dealing with Carry down at league, I start with my Idol Helios at 2000 Grit on the First game I was Striking a lot and scoring High and the Second game it looked Good, at the third last game I lost it at the Bottom left a 3 pin and Flat 7 pin
    My Teammate Nathan
    He starts with his Code X and in the First game he is Striking a lot, Second game Looked OK striking some, third Game He Lost it at the Bottom Left a Bucket 3 pin 9 pin
    We Both Moved a couple boards out and Still Labored down lane or Ran into Early Friction
    Give Both of us some tips on how to deal with carry down or our balls are starting to Burn up and they are Laboring

  • @stonejr74
    @stonejr74 Год назад

    That wasn't much of a tip

  • @Jackal_Blitz
    @Jackal_Blitz 2 года назад +6

    Shannon doing her best to pretend like she has no idea what he's talking about 😂

    • @Ftybr57
      @Ftybr57 2 года назад +1

      Your snideness is just what’s wrong in our world. She and her very talented husband are sharing knowledge (for free), to help others. Sad you have to diminish their intentions by insulting her in anyway.

    • @peteg475
      @peteg475 2 года назад +2

      It's a harmless joke. Everyone knows the way Shannon is asking questions is for the benefit of the viewer. Lighten up.

    • @jakesnussbuster3565
      @jakesnussbuster3565 2 года назад +1

      @@Ftybr57 bruh

    • @Jackal_Blitz
      @Jackal_Blitz 2 года назад +2

      @@Ftybr57 I just thought it was funny that Shannon, a PWBA champion, is pretending like she has to ask Brian about carrydown. If there's anything wrong with our culture, it's people taking harmless jokes, turning them upside down, and getting butthurt about it. Grow up.

    • @insidebowling
      @insidebowling  2 года назад +5

      She is playing best supporting actress and letting her husband have a little camera time. She certainly was capable of explaining, but the head coach of Team USA every once in awhile deserves a bone.

  • @JonnieHollywood
    @JonnieHollywood 2 года назад +1

    Completely obvious to any decent league bowler!

  • @brade4640
    @brade4640 2 года назад

    What a horrible tip