This Custom MicroServer is NUTS [HP Overhaul Pt.2]

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  • Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2024

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  • @volt43k
    @volt43k Месяц назад +88

    I don't normally leave comments, but I just wanted to tell you you did a great job. Projects like this are as much about the journey - including the skills and knowledge you acquire - as the destination. Problem-solving your way through things is also extremely satisfying. Keep it up!

  • @idontatalya242
    @idontatalya242 Месяц назад +90

    LOVE the fact that you used a NUC board for this (even though it wasn't originally intended). Channeling early 2000's case modder culture, if they had access to 3D printers 😁👍

  • @TheInfiniteLegend
    @TheInfiniteLegend Месяц назад +407

    Yo whoever said hopefully he'll replace the HP logo with the HH logo, you may now sleep happily tonight. :)

    • @SHO1989
      @SHO1989 Месяц назад +10

      First thing I noticed too but everyone beat me in the comments. That is excellent.

    • @matt123337
      @matt123337 Месяц назад +2

      😴

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem Месяц назад

      HP is the best, replace it with open market PC parts ?

    • @RazeacBroksnaerOfficial
      @RazeacBroksnaerOfficial Месяц назад +1

      it would've been cool to add it and use the small letter hɥ for hardware haven then stylized it with the new HP logo scheme i wish he could've add it

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Месяц назад +29

      Haha I hope so as well. Granted I think I planned to take out that logo from the point where I realized an ITX board wouldn’t fit lol

  • @BrendonBelle
    @BrendonBelle Месяц назад +120

    @ 1:24 Finally, an ad spot that is actually something I want to buy

    • @SHO1989
      @SHO1989 Месяц назад

      @@BrendonBelle Agreed. I took the used hard drive plunge last year and bought five 8TB drives with a 5 year warranty for the price of 2 new. As long as they honor the warranty, I'm willing to risk it for the cost savings. I've not tried this vendor but I have used goharddrives and can attest to their customer service. I had a drive doa and they replaced it quickly and without a lot of red tape. I have four 12TB drives from them in transit for my 2nd NAS

    • @jonas000111
      @jonas000111 Месяц назад +5

      Just purchased 4x 12TB seagate drives. I found the same refurb drive on Amazon with the same price but decided to buy direct since they had free shipping too.

    • @LichtTempler
      @LichtTempler Месяц назад +2

      Totally agree! That's the ad, what is really useful for watchers of this channel.

    • @willavr
      @willavr Месяц назад +2

      And I waited so patiently for the coupon code, too..

    • @cchalogamer
      @cchalogamer Месяц назад

      @@jonas000111 At least this way you'll get drives packed appropriately, Amazon can be VERY hit or miss for fragile items (seems usually they hit it with a large hammer). I've used Serverpartsdeals several times with GREAT success to the point I've pretty much stopped buying drives anywhere else with the exception of clients that want to buy new.

  • @Marctron
    @Marctron Месяц назад +38

    Been super impressed with your CAD and 3d printing solutions as of late.

    • @zeroturn7091
      @zeroturn7091 Месяц назад +1

      Agreed, I’m still trying to level my bed on a VoxLab Aquila leaving me warped prints and gummed up extruders. I may have to switch to Bamboo labs.

  • @Volgin.
    @Volgin. Месяц назад +31

    Dude you surely didnt disappoint! This project is insanely creative and ingenious.
    Suggestion: follow up this series by recording the whole software part of it, installing stuff and configuring.

    • @mmuller2402
      @mmuller2402 Месяц назад

      Until the pci-e flex adapter takes out the board and gpu. The slot rear side is sharp and pressed against the flex cable 😂

  • @itamar8424
    @itamar8424 Месяц назад +23

    Gotta say this is the first sponsored video that actually convinced me u explained the goal perfectly and explained all the points I made in my head I think u or whoever made the script will have a very successful future

  • @TheQuickSilver101
    @TheQuickSilver101 Месяц назад +10

    I'm sure some folks will say you shouldn't have bothered but it's always fun to learn and try to stretch your skills. If you just buy a new thing every time you need something you never have the chance to grow or learn. I've done intricate soldering work because it was a chance to learn, then later when I did need to know I had those skills. I think you did a great job and you're an inspiration for the hobbyists out there!

  • @BigDom1002
    @BigDom1002 Месяц назад +23

    I just got myself on of these for cheap (19€ + 10€ shipping) without a power supply as it was dead after a power outage.
    I gave it a try with an ATX PSU, and it works like a charm!
    I'm also planning to put some more modern hardware into it, I'm hoping I can somehow fit an M-ITX board in there, but I'll need to do a bit of measuring for that!

    • @necronymnoninveni
      @necronymnoninveni Месяц назад

      you can fit it in there if you drill new holes. the factory mb is bigger than mITX iirc.

    • @BigDom1002
      @BigDom1002 29 дней назад

      @@necronymnoninveni it is. however, the space in between the rails is only 176 mm, ITX is 170 mm, so it's going to be a tight fit.
      Also, the stock standoffs are stamped and not screwed, so I'd have to flatten them and then use normal standoffs, though normal ATX standoffs are 6 mm high, here they are only 4 mm, which I need to replicate if I want perfect positioning with the expansion slots!

  • @L4X1K3
    @L4X1K3 Месяц назад +2

    appreciate that you didn't cut out the parts of the build that did not go as planned, it shows that despite you being perfectly capable to make the HP station great again, you are still a human being and it takes a lot of time and mainly effort to not give up despite so many troubles disappointments along the way
    as always awesome project and a cool sleeper NAS :)

  • @Gluf3r
    @Gluf3r Месяц назад +4

    As someone who has been theorycrafting a similar NAS setup for a long while, this is super inspiring! The finished product looks great and I love that you took the extra steps to paint and update the look of the build.

  • @bradw256
    @bradw256 Месяц назад +16

    Great job. It looks awesome. However, my biggest takeaway is that I should never complain about the price of a Jonsbo (or any other) case again.

  • @michaeldullaway746
    @michaeldullaway746 Месяц назад +11

    I must say this is one of my all-time videos that I have been waiting to be released, since watching part 1 😅. Excellent work and nothing wrong with worrying about cooling later, especially with those current temps.
    Thanks again for such excellent content.

  • @BrendonOHalloran
    @BrendonOHalloran Месяц назад +8

    Man, give yourself more credit. That proto board is pretty good. To make it even better, you could try your hand at kicad and get some pcbs manufactured for cheap 😎👍

  • @DejMills
    @DejMills Месяц назад +4

    This is the kind of stuff that deserves to have videos made about it. Great job pulling through the finish. Perfect or not, I sure as hell could never pull this off!

  • @MarcoGPUtuber
    @MarcoGPUtuber Месяц назад +13

    Hardware Haven is NUTS!
    In a good way.

  • @sherrilltechnology
    @sherrilltechnology 22 дня назад

    This is the reality of doing DIY, I have done many videos and the process was less than perfect but I love the fact that you showed all of these realities, thanks for a wonderful video!!

  • @xPLAYnOfficial
    @xPLAYnOfficial Месяц назад +1

    So just as a small suggestion you can actually get an adapter that converts the header back into the port. Doing so will allow you to plug all four of the USB ports into the motherboard just by using the actual USB ports instead of the headers.

  • @twistacatz
    @twistacatz Месяц назад +3

    Man I really enjoyed this series. The final result is awesome. Well done.

  • @willcarter7079
    @willcarter7079 Месяц назад

    Man I'm glad I'm not the only one that has issues like this throughout my projects. I watch so many RUclips videos that make it seem like they never run into issues

  • @chris_hertford
    @chris_hertford Месяц назад

    Custom build series like this are the best things on RUclips! Anything unique involving tech, spray paint and soldering is just intensely watchable!

  • @wartlme
    @wartlme Месяц назад +2

    Neat project. I like some of the things you are doing. I am going with the M-ATX form factor for my home servers. I personally just build home servers and give them to friends and family. All you have to do is slap Home Assistant on it, and everyone starts to see what they are missing. Combine that network-attached storage with a backup system for their PCs and cellphones, and they are sold.

  • @mrmotofy
    @mrmotofy Месяц назад +1

    Keystone HDMI coupler, a short jumper cable and done. I've even cut a rectangle set the HDMI Keystone in there and hot melt it in place since I can't 3d print anything. Works awesome looks like a regular jack on outside

  • @AudreyRobinel
    @AudreyRobinel Месяц назад

    Hello!
    Two things : This may be the first time in forever long that i was interested by the sponsor. Prices are super low, and they ship to my caribbean island, so super cool!
    Second thing : nice case mod and all! Although at some point, after doing so much modding, you might have been able to make your own case :)
    I do mine out of wood, either with traditional wood working techniques, or even with a laser cutter. The cool thing is that if you design the case, well you decide the form factor, and thus can adapt whatever you want to whatever you have :)
    Currently on my wooden, home made rack, i have 6 servers, all with wooden, home made cases. And with a bit of electronics, they even have rgb, and temp monitoring that is tied to my home assistant setup. I also use aluminium mesh for the fan grills, and it also adds a "pixelated" effect to the RGB.

  • @ewasteredux
    @ewasteredux Месяц назад +1

    LACK-OF-FAN...TASTIC! Great video! I want to see version 2. Seriously though watching seat-of-the-pants engineering is one of my favorite things. I could see you adding a magnetically mountable fan on the back to match your custom I/O shield. Great job!

  • @GinnyGlider
    @GinnyGlider Месяц назад

    This is an amazing little build! The two surprise's for me were: 1) I really wasn't expecting the tiny NUC to do all that much!
    And 2) Glad to finally know you can actually add a PCIE Slot to an Intel NUC!!! I would like to (one day) do a similar ultra low power build (e.g. N100)
    that also packs a punch while, still being just as compact (that way I can also add a compact UPS too). All in all, I really enjoyed part 1 & 2 it's quite different from the usual :D

  • @deechvogt1589
    @deechvogt1589 Месяц назад

    Colton, I love the learning journey you took us on in these videos. Your curiosity and willingness to experiment fail and learn from your mistakes is inspiring. Thanks for sharing with us.

  • @agarmash_
    @agarmash_ Месяц назад +3

    A few tips from personal experience:
    5:09 It's easy to fabricate a nice and reliable cable connector when you have to solder directly to the connector that's intended to be soldered to a PCB, in fact you were already quite close - cover the solder connections with hot glue, put a piece of heatshrinking tube over the hot glue blob, and evenly heat it up with hot air gun at 150 C. The tube will start shrinking, while at the same time the glue will start melting. As a result, it will form a nice connector shell, while squeezing out all the extraneous hot glue, which can be removed with a cotton swab while still hot. It takes a bit of practice, but when you master it, the results are quite pleasant!
    8:38 To remove a hotglue blob, simply soak it in isopropyl alcohol. After that, you'll be able to easily crumble it away
    11:52 There's an option to get a CA glue bundled with an activator spray which cures the glue immediately after applying. Highly recommend to try it out!
    Regardless of the aforementioned, that's a very nice project, congrats with finishing it!

  • @bombdiggity7196
    @bombdiggity7196 Месяц назад

    Everything about this build was satisfying, including the stumbles. Really well done project and pretty inspirational.

  • @aliaghil1
    @aliaghil1 Месяц назад

    Well done, mate. That old server case didn't stand a chance against your creative vision. You've turned waste into something amazing

  • @mt_kegan512
    @mt_kegan512 Месяц назад +1

    Wow. Nice work. Don't think I'd have the patience. Much respect!

  • @Yuriel1981
    @Yuriel1981 Месяц назад

    I do love this project it really is perfectly inline with the spirit of the channel. Take something beat up and outdated and make it not just modern but usably versatile. Great video!

  • @thunder46350
    @thunder46350 Месяц назад

    I love watching you go through the process of solving problems and the clever solutions you come up with. Have you ever thought about vinyl wrapping a case? Like people vinyl wrap there cars?

  • @MenkarX
    @MenkarX Месяц назад

    I hope you were enjoying doing this project as much as I enjoyed watching this video!

  • @Bouipi
    @Bouipi Месяц назад

    i hope you keep the case and make adjustments to make it more compact so can install a fan at the back. This is amazing, I enjoyed watching this project

  • @brianandrews1867
    @brianandrews1867 Месяц назад

    this is the best type of homelab content imo. It's a major challenge to upgrade older things and this showcases a lot of major negatives of having/using proprietary stuff. Wonder how difficult it would be to turn one of these old systems into a DAS that is connected to a NUC.

  • @sherwinm
    @sherwinm Месяц назад

    This is amazing. Thanks for sharing. I have this micro server and it’s been sitting I the floor because i moved in with synology. But when I had this new, it was a great little server. I had freenas running on it back then. I was able to use 6 HDD. 5x 3.5” drives and 1x 2.5” drive. I ran freenas on a USB thumb drive

  • @Bushidounohana
    @Bushidounohana Месяц назад

    Warts and all, this is pretty slick. Love the journey as well, probably more fun to watch than for you to do, but satisfying to see it come together. Great work out of you!

  • @infiniteoracle.
    @infiniteoracle. Месяц назад +1

    Dude this is the best thing you have done yet. This project is crazy cool. Love to see more like this :D

  • @MrZech
    @MrZech Месяц назад

    your videos get better and better each year, each month, each week, and even each day they get better in both quality and production. Keep it up

  • @lelandclayton5462
    @lelandclayton5462 Месяц назад

    I build crazy stuff like this all the time. Currently playing with a Thinkcentre SFF.

  • @peterjantzer4767
    @peterjantzer4767 Месяц назад +7

    At my age (70), When it comes to projects, I follow my 3 "P"s.
    Patience
    Persistence
    Prayer

    • @Romek_S
      @Romek_S Месяц назад +1

      Or 3 "S"? Stress, Swear, Scream? [aaaand, Success, later on]

  • @theWSt
    @theWSt Месяц назад

    Super cool Stormtrooper machine 😎 The only thing, that would bother me a little bit, would be that big bulky hole cover on the back. I know, it's the result of a project that evolved during its making. Everything else is super cool, great job!

  • @lexshizumdot2115
    @lexshizumdot2115 Месяц назад +1

    Great video and awesome project. Learning and having fun is the best.

  • @JamesCromwell2047
    @JamesCromwell2047 Месяц назад

    It came out great! Just a quick tip, someone's probably said it already, but you can use Isopropyl Alcohol to make hot glue release

  • @poorlybuffalo555
    @poorlybuffalo555 Месяц назад +2

    I can see the attraction of using magnets as you did...

  • @Viking8888
    @Viking8888 Месяц назад +1

    Those that ask why, just don't seem to understand the fun of making something new(er) from something old. I personally love this and even though it's not perfect, it's a really cool project and something I've wanted to do for many moons.

  • @Alpejohn
    @Alpejohn Месяц назад

    Really cool project, and an awsome case! Next you should make a video on how to set it up to "backup" bluray discs with special software on the drive! That would be cool! I think LTT made a video about that.

  • @eksquirrel1879
    @eksquirrel1879 Месяц назад

    I love your DIY builds always enjoyable to see what direction you take things. Keep up the good work!

  • @metrotechguru5863
    @metrotechguru5863 Месяц назад

    Wow! You rock! I doubt that I would have gotten half-way through this project without rage quitting. 🤣🤣🤣

  • @AdHdEntertainmentLLC
    @AdHdEntertainmentLLC Месяц назад

    This was great to watch as I'm in the process of making Custom Systems. This was great to see the highs and lows.

  • @ThatRandomDude914
    @ThatRandomDude914 Месяц назад +2

    The first part was jank creation, legit product
    This part is just jank Linus would be proud

  • @SHO1989
    @SHO1989 Месяц назад +2

    May have been frustrating and not perfect but the idea is excellent. I wonder how many of those HP mini proliant machines are out there wasting away in a closet unused. Really a shame HP didn't use industry standards for the parts as I think this case is worthy of living on with modern PC parts.
    I had one of these ten yesrs ago and really liked it except for the performance as time marched on. If I could have easily updated it, I would have. Quality metal cases like this would cost a fortune today so recycling these seems like a good idea to me. I'm glad you did it and hope you decide to being it back in another video with the small issues worked out.

    • @lucasrem
      @lucasrem Месяц назад

      SHO1989
      It's well documented, you can swap all parts for open market PC parts, easy to make all cable compatible.
      Why you need metal ?

    • @SHO1989
      @SHO1989 Месяц назад

      @@lucasrem dont need metal, just appreciate the sturdiness it adds. It's more expensive than plastic so I thought it would be nice to recycle cases like this HP.

  • @fierce134
    @fierce134 Месяц назад

    My man putting the "hardware" in Hardware Haven. Nicely done sir!

  • @nathan_tasker
    @nathan_tasker Месяц назад

    Yet another great video. One thing I would consider doing is adding a HDMI extension cable to the NUC motherboard and adding it to the rear I/O plate with the power and network plug. This way if you need to access the BIOS you can using the NUCs HDMI port. It will still allow you to use the graphics card the rest of the time.

  • @Reza1984_
    @Reza1984_ Месяц назад

    I loved every bit of it-this is basically every real-life project! By the way, we're not doing these because they make sense; we're doing them because it's fun!

  • @isaakvervenne8387
    @isaakvervenne8387 Месяц назад

    nice build! looks like you learned a lot, I love being creative and making your own 3D printed parts and soldering

  • @rszeee
    @rszeee Месяц назад +1

    Bro is the ccleaner of hardware. Respect ++

  • @keithgoldston2859
    @keithgoldston2859 28 дней назад

    I'm a woodworker as well as a computer novice I've had a plan in the back of my head of building a case out of walnut and beach wood nothing is crazy if it's makes you happy and keeps you entertained

  • @kulimeya123
    @kulimeya123 Месяц назад

    This Microserver is pretty awesome, I still have one in my parents basement, sadly the power supply blew up like 10 years ago when I used this and replacements were pretty expensive due to their special size, so I never fixed it. But it was great, 4 HDD bays and the CPU only had around 15W TDP. It was perfect as a home server.

  • @MadAsKiwi
    @MadAsKiwi 23 дня назад

    I'm waiting for Xzibit to pop up and say "Your server has officially been pimped". Nice work!!

  • @markhamlee
    @markhamlee Месяц назад

    This is a great project, congrats on getting it finished

  • @ihearttjeff
    @ihearttjeff Месяц назад +2

    Since the back IO panel isn’t exposed, you might be able to use those USB connections for the top two in the front, and that shouldn’t require any glue to do!

  • @Francois_L_7933
    @Francois_L_7933 Месяц назад

    Ive once mounted a fan externally with a grill on it. Worked just fine 😉

  • @glenblair2631
    @glenblair2631 27 дней назад

    Two things i see. Two usb headers on the board that you could of removed to join the last two front panels to. Also you could put in a hdmi extender to make access to the onboard graphics for management ease. You could cut the grill out and leave the mounting holes for a fan. Or look at 3d printer watercooling.

  • @moogs
    @moogs Месяц назад

    I’m thankful for the Jonsbo n3 but I have a ton of respect for what you did here. Looks really good.

  • @nickwort123
    @nickwort123 Месяц назад

    The lil junction board was such a good idea

  • @lolmos
    @lolmos Месяц назад

    A very satisfying journey. Doing the stuff we all wish we had time to do just because. Chapeu!!

  • @pompshuffle562
    @pompshuffle562 Месяц назад +1

    10:10 I'm not sure who but someone definitely makes USB hubs in a single circuit board that you wire up yourself. The hub board breaks a single USB connection into two so two could be used to get all 4 ports working.

  • @MarcoGPUtuber
    @MarcoGPUtuber Месяц назад +8

    4:00 Waiting for the PCBWay sponsorship

  • @Freedbot
    @Freedbot Месяц назад

    Useful skills like those learned here cost time, money, and a little failure here and there. This was a great little project with a cool style. Imagine how amazing the NAS you'll make next year will be.

  • @dagamore
    @dagamore Месяц назад

    With the external bump out for the 'back plate' I would do the same and add in like a 120mm slim fan as an exhaust just to help a bit on the temps. But I can never leave good enough alone.

  • @christians3441
    @christians3441 Месяц назад

    For the USB ports you could get one of these internal USB hubs that connect to a USB header and give you more USB headers. That should be a fairly easy addition to make the other two ports useable.

  • @JamieStuff
    @JamieStuff Месяц назад +1

    This exemplifies the origin of the term "hacking". Literally hacking (with a Dremel) to get a piece of hardware to do something it wasn't originally intended to do, and I love it.

  • @WhoWatchesVideos
    @WhoWatchesVideos Месяц назад

    Great build! I wonder if you can't sneak a torn-down USB hub somewhere in the chassis and use that to connect to all four front panel USB ports.

  • @GeoffHalsey
    @GeoffHalsey 25 дней назад

    Fun projects is why I homelab. There's no more claiming you're a noob after this, in fact you're getting pretty good at it 🙂

  • @JamieBainbridge
    @JamieBainbridge Месяц назад

    I love the idea of using a NUC board like this. Now hunting for a SATA cable for my NUC8...

  • @PlatinumGamingg
    @PlatinumGamingg Месяц назад

    For the hdmi issue where you can't access the bios without plugging in on the board just add a hdmi extension cable and put one on the back

  • @trimsurgency
    @trimsurgency 10 дней назад

    I love craft computing. The system came up great.

  • @CCross777
    @CCross777 Месяц назад +3

    Instead of a NUC MB, you should have used a SFF MB instead. More things are compatible with those. :)

  • @diabeticnomad
    @diabeticnomad Месяц назад

    This is pretty amazing gj Colton! 💜

  • @antoniom.andersen6704
    @antoniom.andersen6704 Месяц назад

    Very cool project.
    You could power the last 2 USB ports from the motherboards I/O, looks like there's a USB 2 and a USB 3 connector on it.

  • @louchitchat
    @louchitchat Месяц назад

    yes we enjoyed watching you building it, and we learned some on the way

  • @cptwretched
    @cptwretched Месяц назад

    This was a great build. I hope to see more like this.

  • @Miltiadis_Vouzounaras
    @Miltiadis_Vouzounaras 26 дней назад

    Amazing project! Well done! ✊
    Maybe design custom PCB next time?

  • @dominick253
    @dominick253 Месяц назад +6

    Using your advice I'm making a cheap server for our church. Save them for paying for yet another subscription for some software.
    Hopefully I can find a way to automate their RUclips and Facebook streaming as they pay for that now.

    • @HardwareHaven
      @HardwareHaven  Месяц назад

      That’s awesome!

    • @LichtTempler
      @LichtTempler Месяц назад

      Just curious, what's the problem with streaming? What solution do they use now?

  • @therick0996
    @therick0996 Месяц назад

    4:50 the only thing I'd recommend is adding some heat shrink around each pin. I do this all the time

  • @benji_games_
    @benji_games_ 26 дней назад

    I really liked the storytelling and voice over style of this video. You did a really great job of narrating what we were seeing on the screen. Also, molex to SATA, lose all your data. Not sure if that’s still a problem but it used to be.

  • @jordantheman25
    @jordantheman25 Месяц назад

    this channel is such a gift

  • @squidware
    @squidware Месяц назад

    For what it's worth, I think this ProLiant MicroServer is probably the least proprietary and most technician-friendly ProLiant out there 😂compared to my DL320 G6 and ML350 G4p, but those are different beasts altogether

  • @uther10
    @uther10 Месяц назад

    This is a crazy build. Bravo.

  • @superangrybrit
    @superangrybrit Месяц назад

    Good project. You did well. Takes me back to WHS days. 👍

  • @botobeni
    @botobeni Месяц назад

    Bro this sponsor is top notch, I'm gonna buy from them for sure.

  • @jonathanchevallier7046
    @jonathanchevallier7046 Месяц назад

    Thank you for this project.

  • @pinphreek965
    @pinphreek965 Месяц назад

    Ok, first: I would have left it pure black, thatÄs just a personal preference.
    Next: I like the inclusion of the blueray-drive, it just enables that ripping of bluerays without having to setup the external drive.
    I'm not quite happy with the rear and the part that sticks out, but even I can see, that the clearance was just too small.
    I probably would have chosen a different OS, but unraid is fine (again: just my personal preference).
    I over all like the build, it really turned out good. It also gave me the final push I needed to get a soldering iron.

  • @allan80supra
    @allan80supra 12 дней назад

    an ITX mainboard replacement tray and rear IO shield cutting guide would be great for these microservers

  • @brockwilkie6022
    @brockwilkie6022 Месяц назад

    wow, that was an emotional rollercoaster lol, great stuff!

  • @kennethwillis8339
    @kennethwillis8339 Месяц назад

    Awesome job. I think it was a great project.

  • @nickconnor8667
    @nickconnor8667 Месяц назад

    Other than the white led option looks pretty amazing you should give the poor thing a fan though

  • @LucidEnemy
    @LucidEnemy Месяц назад

    I was really hoping you would also cover unlocking that blue ray drive with like a deep dive I’ve heard people doing it and starting to research it and then just end up not knowing where to even start