The Halo Infinite situation is Ridiculous...
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Halo Studios showed off a slew of new content for the upcoming Spring Update to Halo Infinite. New cosmetics, New modes and most importantly... A new gun. The community has been very angry about this announcement and here we will talk about it.
No, I didnt use chatGPT to write this. I'm simply trying to pad out the description in the hopes it gets picked up. Now i will say some more buzzwords. Controversy, Anger, hype, confusion, insanity!!!
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As a hobby game developer -- your take on the effort vs reuse that got us the sPnKr Fuel Rod gun is what likely happened.
The dev team was given a week to get the gun made, tested and out the door and only a few art team hours.
So they HAD to re-use existing assets. It sucks from a consumer standpoint, but as a developer, yup.
Imho, the halo5 fuel rod was LIKELY 90% of the way there -- A lot of PBR and shaders likely needed minor debugging (halo 5 and infinite both were developed for modern shader systems as h5 was on the xbox -- powered by an AMD apu).
The biggest thing was animations -- those require time-consuming tweaks to ensure they look right.
The textures likely would have been not too difficult to make, a few hours for a talented artist who could slap together layers to make the final texture.
But that time all adds up, so they cut out that pipeline entirely.
@@1337GameDev were not going to accept mediocrity any longer.
@@DeftTouch
Ehhh. It's not that easy when 5% of the population are the whales that are being the target of the game.
That's how all live service games work, which sucks for the 95% that just want a great game at a reasonable price.
@@1337GameDev Then 343 can have their dwindling base of whales.
@@1337GameDev Most live service games don't have the community make all the maps, this is what is so insulting and makes this different, we expected more as the community is already giving both money, and time, they put their heart and soul into making these maps to save Halo Studios time, so people expected the weapon to be given the time it deserves and this is the best they could do? That is what's so damn insulting as they clearly have both animators and 3D modelers making death effect animations and 3D cosmetics.
@Spendingryan yeah, I get that. It's not on Halo studios though -- Microsoft didn't give them enough man hour budget for this weapon.
It definitely sucks to feel used and taken advantage of as a community content contributor.
I hope Microsoft gives them more resources to treat Halo like Microsoft's Mario.
I don't mind what the skeleton crew came up with. What I do mind is what the hell management was doing from 2021-2024 when they had the money and resources to actually add legacy weapons and game modes but didn't. What did they tell the staff? Why didn't they put content in the game that fans were begging for and instead dragged their feet for years? All of what we're getting now could have and should have come out no later than 2022, with custom models and such.
Yeah instead the put all of their development to skins and adding late content
So I always heard it was because they were in immense technical debt. The slipspace engine is basically spaghetti code and most of the people that were very familiar with it were contractors who cycled out. I think they did want to add more stuff but the lack of people that actually knew what they were doing in conjunction with terrible mismanagement is why we have crap like them taking 6 months to update the UI of the game. Or why the falcon has been sitting pretty much complete in the game's files for almost 3 years at this point.
@@Auzzymandias and did they learn their lesson and opted for a consistent and constant team of developers that could grow together and develop institutional knowledge? What Larian's CEO actively promotes?
Nope, just change to UE5 and keep cycling developers, cause apparently that worked just fine the last time.
I really don't have faith in future halo games and I don't think anyone should have for that matter. Devs want to make Halo great again but 343 leadership/Microsoft prefer perpetual mediocrity and it's depressing.
Unsurpisingly, they were chasing the money without regard to sustainability. Honestly who thought it was a good idea to make a live service game with a tempoary contract workforce with an old engine which not many people know how to code in. Imagine if Rockstar fired all of their staff after GTA 6 and be suprised that GTA Online was struggling to develop content because none of the new staff understand the game engine as deeply or skillfully as the old workers.
I have massive sympathy and empathy for late 343 staff and the new Halo studio staff, they were doing their best despite terrible management. The profit motive always gets in the way of video game quality these days and I am sick of it, and I am absolutely sick of the fact that there is seemingly little escape from being constantly reminded that the rich get richer off the backs of the people actually doing all of the REAL work.
its a Star Wars Battlefront 2 EA situation.
>Halo has always been held to a higher standard
I was promised couch co-op. I was promised a 10 year journey of improvement. I was promised free-to-play with optional cosmetics.
It's not about us having "higher standards," it's about us wanting the developers to keep their word. To deliver on the bare minimum they promised.
The game still has most armor coatings locked behind a paywall. COLORS.
I understand feeling bad for the 'skeleton crew' working on the game now, but that doesn't make any of the above false or incorrect.
exactly, how the hell is asking for split screen holding Halo to a higher standard? These things were in the FIRST GAME. If anything this is holding Halo to the standard it's always held to.
Don't know why now expecting the bare minimum became the new "High Standard", but I hate that it happened.
This is ridiculous, I don’t feel bad for anyone that’s such a bitch stance to have. They are all responsible for any trash they put out.
343 only makes promises to get your foot in the door. I uninstalled in 2021 after the drought started and never came back. They sent a message and we should too.
My brother and I are huge Halo fans. Starting from Halo CE all the way to Halo 4 and MCC, my brother and I have always played together. Split Screen and experienced the campaign together. And we loved all of it along with playing multiplayer together. We loved customizing our Spartans / Elites. Halo 5 was a bit of a mess, but my brother and I still had fun playing one at a time in addition to customizing our Spartans.
Halo Infinite is the 1st Halo game that broke this streak. The main issues were the lack of content, and the greedy paywall for customization / colors, and ranking. My brother was ready to play and said "how do I change the color for my Spartan." After me explaining to him, he's like "huh." He never touched the game for a long time. When I heard at firs 343 said they were going to add split screen to the campaign, I hyped my brother for us to play together. I refused to play the campaign for that long. When 343 said the promised of a simple Split Screen for Infinite being scrapped really killed any hype at all for both of us. My brother is more of casual / normal gamer, and he questioned why they can't add split screen. He did play the Forge for a bit, but stopped a month later. People think Halo 4, Halo 5, or MCC was the death of Halo. However, I truly believe Infinite is the death of Halo. It feels like the core studio along with leadership and Microsoft is the problem.
Adding FOMO back to the battlepasses as one of the first things they do as ‘Halo Studios’ certainly is a choice
It's kind of ridiculous isn't it? Like, they prided themselves on passes that never expire. Halo Infinite is one of very few games that actually lets you keep them and buy them retroactively, which was a huge positive. But I guess the money heads weren't happy with the revenue so they added, or rather removed, the good shit.
Maybe if they took care of the game like they were supposed to then they'd be happy with the money they make but oh well. As far as I'm concerned Halo died when Reach fell.
They aren't tho? Passes don't expire if you buy them, and if you for example are interested in one of the armours after the pass becomes unavailable for purchase, you can still get it from the shop after.
The only thing you're missing out on is a better price.
@@ZHibiki
So wait, you *literally* explained FOMO
@@jakespencer6781 offers ≠ fomo. FOMO would be having limited time releases. Like, having the armours be only accessible with the pass.
That was the one thing they could brag about.
They absolutely deserve to be ripped to shreds for the battlepass changes and how the digsite team was treated, but the on the ground devs who hacked together this fuelrod SPnKR were not the ones who made those choices.
The improvements to free stuff in the BP is great. They just should have also kept the 30 premium tiers as purchaseable forever. Compared to Season 5, this feels kinda rough. But compared to Operations, this is a net positive. Operations had hardly any premium stuff, so it sucked that the free stuff became paid stuff. But now free stuff is free forever and that's great tbh
Another "10 year lifespan" live service game that has a skeleton crew rehashing existing content after a handful of years. It would be disheartening to see Halo in such a sloppy, dire state, if I wasn't so numb to the franchise already.
my problem is that they treat halo Infinite like a cash cow. the cow is dying but instead of medicine they buy more buckets to keep milking. how can anyone really feel like playing that when you know the next update is just going to be a shop update instead of things like the falcon...
I mean, I just play to keep playing. I don’t really care about what updates come next. I just want to keep playing my go to game modes (infection used to be one of them but they’ve completely ruined that game mode though)
@@paytonallen1027 The Mutilator is a truly unique shotgun that is coming, might help infection but you will have to wait, but we've been waiting for what like 2.5 years so far?
>"Halo has always been held to a higher standard"
God forbid you make a multi-billion dollar backed dev team live up to a standard that was the norm 15 years ago. Imagine promising features that were the stock standard on a DAY 1 release only to delay it (Firefight, Forge) for years or even out right scraping (Pre/Post Game lobbies, Split-Screen Co-op) and relying on the community to make the maps for a dying game and still churn out absolute rubbish.
Im sorry to say it latenightgaming, but if 343i/Halo studios were a restaurant, no one would eat there.
First, what makes a restaurant and a AAA gaming studio comparable? The answer is, they are both businesses.
For a long time Halo Fans have asked for a steak, only being told "hey we dont like making steak, heres a vegan burger, like it, or you're entitled." If any restaurant ever told you that, would you eat there? Probably not.
So why is it that we, not only as fans, but paying loyal customers, getting treated in such a manor by the very people that require us to buy their product to make a living?
As long as a single dime is spent in halo infinite or halo for that matter, Halo studios should be trying their hardest to appese their customers and treat them with dignity and respect. They also need to hire people with true passion for what halo was, rather than being envious of what came before and having a large ego built off a franchise they didnt even create.
Imo their leadership lacks true passion, and thats why halo is failing. As long as they try to make shareholders happy on paper, nothing is gonna change.
Litterally those Modders putting things on steam workshop are doing the things we all would want to see out of a halo game. Like rejectedshotguns mods for example. Why are his mods so good? Its because he loves what he does. He has passion.
Speaking of mods, what happend to the digsite team was inexcusable. They could have paid digsite for working on halo 2 and 3 but chose not to. if you're asking where the money could have come from, why not make digsite content paid DLC for MCC so console and PC players can all enjoy it, that way, the community gets what they crave, MCC can recieve continued support, digsite and Microsoft make money and we are all happy.
If the goal is to make money like any businesses goal is, all they've been doing is the complete opposite and its a real shame.
The whole situation is a mess. And I WANT HALO TO DO WELL, I LOVE HALO. And i do hope the best for Halo studios, but so far, they only have been encouraging doubt.
This is probably my favorite comment on here. Love that restaurant example.
Exactly, you cannot have such contempt for the people that fund your lifestyle that hubris is insane
Yes where could the money come from, biggest tech company in the world hermmm where could we possibly get the money from...
@@beanpeen4163 thing is, corporations are greedy, all the money in the world is never enough, so, unless there is a way to make more money they won't budge or want to use any of their own internal revenue to fund anything. The CEO has to get their fat end of year bonus, ya know.
2:22 yes and no. At some point we have to stop defending a Billion Dollar Company and stop treating them like a small studio with like 3 people. The animations are busted? Well animators are getting paid for that so just fix it.
The thing is, a lot of the animations DO work. Mint Blitz showed that only the grenade throw and equipment usage animations are broken. And using the animations from the rocket launcher for those mostly fixes the issue. It's a sad excuse to not include the fuel rod.
It’s so ridiculous how far halo has fallen… Halo Infinite is such a disaster, how is it that for a franchise like HALO, it is being treated like an indie game 😂. Halo infinite was their last chance to make any sort of comeback, and that chance is now gone. It’s been three years since halo infinite came out, and we only got like one new weapon and one reskin of the assault rifle that they call a diff weapon. And, the next halo game hasn’t even been announced or teased or anything. Halo is dead
Please leave the Billion dollar corporation alone 🙏
Bad content is just as bad as no content, actually
It like being empty handed is better than holding shit. Same idea.
@@Stuntmachine14 On God, it is. On God.
@@eggking7301 I think is actually worse
It's less of a "laziness" issue and more of a "what the fuck are the managers and leads doing" issue. It's frustrating because with how infinite is being treated, I have no faith in any Halo sequel because of how the leads seem to not care about their most recent work, but would rather work on a promise of a sequel; a similar-ish issue with how halo 5 transitioned into infinite, and we've seen how that has developed
The leaders seem to be making the same mistakes Bonnie Ross, KiKi Wolfkill and others made when they were running the franchise. This really doesn’t feel like a new studio because them and Microsoft are making the same terrible decisions that doom halo
Like I still don't give a crap about caring the struggles of the studio when even in the beginning. They had the balls to charge money for COLOR CHANGES and any sort of armor customization. In addition to having ranking be completely ruined at the start. And the excuse of Infinite Multiplayer is free is worthless when the campaign was still $60.00 . To add insult to injury with how disappointed I am when they didn't do any DLC for the campaign.
I was fine at the start with all the Battle Pass crap cause I wanted to support the studio for future content. Now 3 years passed and this is the best they gave us. This feels I payed a horrible investment.
Halo Modders make more content with less resources and don’t even get paid for it. Think about that
Defending a muti million dollar developer studio for their laziness is crazy. Saying Halo fans are toxic for criticism is crazy too because that's the same rethoric we've heard for so llong. This is sad and low bro.
It’s just bizarre that a studio backed by Microsoft isn’t given enough resources to adequately support their flagship franchise. Yes, the next Halo game is being worked on, but Infinite is the one we have playable for the forseeable future and should have more than a skeleton crew that isn’t capable of making “new” weapons without these concessions. This isn’t a small Indie IP. It’s backed by a huge corporation that should be able to get the developers the resources they need to do more. The Fuel Rod SPNKR just isn’t a good look with that context man
It’s definitely not a good look, that’s for sure
Eh. Microsoft has showed time and time again they do not care. They're just as bad as EA and Activision.
What are the odds they haven’t even started work on the next game?
It’s also just wasted potential. People loved Infinite on launch, they loved not having to worry about FOMO, the gameplay and multiplayer was good, the campaign was alright, we had a WIN and yet the live service bullshit ruined it. I’m pissed that there’s still a large coalition of gamers that buy into the idea that live service greed and toxic business practices are just the cost of doing business. They ACTIVELY MAKE GAMES WORSE. They harm Halo in any form. I saw this writing on the wall all the way back in 2021 when they got on the E3 stage to make Halo multiplayer free. Everyone called me crazy. Who’s laughing now? Not me. I’m too busy enjoying games that respect my time and money.
@@ults5504see there's some truth to that, but you're mostly wrong. The big corporations aren't meddling all that much, they just want to make money. The fault lies equally with the incompetent devs that have no clue what they're doing. Why is it Bungie made Halo 1 and 2 with Microsoft money? They had a vision and insane talent.
I can’t defend this fuel rod cannon, it’s just a rocket variant, and I wanted a true fuel rod cannon!
I'm glad the community is fighting back on 343i/HS/MSFT's blatant bullshit. Playing nice with the developers and coddling their horrific practices won't change anything. We as the consumers hold the power to force these companies to make better games and be held to a higher standard.
Oh no, the multi billion dollar company can’t afford an animator. I should feel bad for them.
What's worse is that they could actually rip old animations from Reach / 4 / 5 but it's still too much work for them. I don't care if it's "hard" due to their incompetence and lack of properly maintaining development tools, while modders do it for free across a vast amount of different games and engines.
im glad the community is tearing them apart wtf happen to halo ???
5:12 no..halo CE was a party game. And some people took it more seriously, Halo 2 Sure had MLG but focus was still "chill with the bros and have fun" same with 3 and same with reach.
343 has made it their PRIORITY. To make halo a FULL ON COMPETITIVE game. And it suffers because of it. Almost Every game they talk about how "its been like that since the beginning" and sure a handful of scenarios. But the Priorities bungie had were for making the game fun and entertaining. And their skill based matchmaking was Real. Nowadays its not. Its about how to keep the player addicted. Its disgusting.
Halo was always a social game with a competitive scene. Not the otherway around
Halo being billed as a competitive game is putting the cart before the horse. Plain and simple. No game should promise esports before the game is out, the way esports should work is the way it did in the past, where if a multiplayer game was fun and played well enough competitive players would arise to explore its potential at the next level. Nowadays esports is just a fucking money ploy. It reads as a grift to everyone who isn’t a part of it.
the competitive scene salts the earth of whatever it touches; you have to sand down every unique and interesting buff or ability that each part of the sandbox has, until its all just homogeneous and bland. Halo is better off without a competitive scene.
@@ThomasHendricksonlook at every game that pivots to listening to pro players. They all suck now. Rainbow Six Siege is ass now, Overwatch used to be gas now Halo has lost the plot
@ competitive really is the dystopian harrison bergeron fate of video games. When everything is perfectly equal, nothing is unique. Competitive is not good for a video game, its the worst fate.
Impatient player base? We waited 6 years for infinite and we waited years for shallow abysmal content. That's not including Halo 5s struggles. We've been very patient and halo studios & Microsoft should be thankful we've stuck around
I think the backlash is *completely* deserved
HOWEVER the community should aim this towards 343 higher ups/microsoft (they are the same) and *not* the developers actually doing the work with the resources they are given.
We should be very angry, but lets direct that anger towards the people *actually* responsible.
Just give the team the resources to make ONE gun god damnit. They are not short in money whatsoever, it's just sheer disrespect towards developers and players.
I’ll be real. That’s not good enough anymore. We shouldn’t be targeting developers in our criticism, you’re right, but we shouldn’t force ourselves to reinstall and buy into toxic FOMO and support bad AAA practices infecting Halo just because shitty managers are holding developers hostage. It’s been over a decade. Halo Infinite has a chance to be good, that chance was wasted in favor of trend chasing and storefront fuckery and the ship continues to sink even after new management comes in. We don’t need a new studio name, we need a new studio.
Didn't infinite have over half a billion dollar budget? I seriously wonder where it all went
@@throwawaydetective9080 I don't think you should tho? I'm not sure what you are responding to cause I don't think I disagree with any of your points.
I don't think anybody should support this mess of a game for that matter.
@@beanpeen4163 development hell, spaghetti code, contractors and technical debt.
They cycle people out every 18 months. So after that time people who knew how to work on their customized engine leave, new people come in and now they have to learn how to work on that engine, which takes a lot of time. So in the end nobody knew how the engine worked cause the people who learn leave and you end up with the equivalent of a cluster of cables, extensions, connections and devices that fill an entire room.
I wanna hope with all my heart that this is Microsoft’s doing, but something tells me that halo studies wasn’t completely faultless
The microtransactions and hiring rotating contractors was 100% microsoft, the mediocre game design was 100% 343.
@ But the mediocre game design we got was also due to changing staff and rotating contractors. The original plan for the campaign made way more sense than what we got.
It's not as simple but not as complex either. 343 *is* Microsoft, or more specifically, 343 leadership *is* Microsoft.
In AAA games it's incredibly unlikely that mistakes are from individual developers because of the very nature of AAA, which is a lot of people working together, most of them specialized in one small part of development. Bad AAA games (Halo infinite cough cough) are more often than not a result of weak leadership and management roles.
@@ranzu3138 People just get so caught up in the negativity that they start acting like the game has no positive aspects at all. Don't get me wrong, I know it's disappointing and frustrating, but do people really think the most fun grappling hook in gaming was an accident by literal shit devs? Did they just throw darts at the wall and happen to land on "changing the artstyle and core gameplay to be more in line with the older games?" The problem isn't that the developers are bad, it's that they're being squandered by the shitty management. Like wouldn't you think the flagship series for the Xbox demands a dedicated team to make sure it's done right, cause I doubt the financials turned out how Microsoft wanted with how quickly players left this game.
Honestly? MS is at fault for cutting Infinite resources, but they're obviously not the one managing how what few resources remain are allocated.
The fanbase is entirely right to not accept slop, which the new weapon is. 343 can't get *1* animator to do a half-port half-polish job on the existing Halo 5 Fuel Rod gun's animations that we know work with Slipspace? (Blam IS Slipspace.)
Infinite's skeleton crew *HAS* at least an artist doing modelling and texture work, proven by the fact they're still selling new bundles so those aspects are entirely covered.
Since they're using Fuel Rod projectiles that are already in the game, thanks to the Hunters and Banshee bomb being present, the gameplay technical/balance aspects should be minor work to tweak.
Porting the Fuel Rod gun would be a small amount of work for the victory and good will it'd garner from the community and they can't even do that.
On top of that, they're introducing FOMO with the new BP system. So these scam artists want us to pay more for less than we should've been expecting earlier in the game's life.
Yeah, I don't like when people try to explain that it's hard for devs to implement new weapons... It's their god damn job! I'm not going to accept this slop just because new animations, textures and localisation are hard to do
Honestly I’m not playing a game that expects my constant attention like destiny, like imagine being incredibly invested, but then you some how end up in a coma for a year and instead of being up to play through at your leisure you are told sucks for you, watch the lore video loser those campaigns no longer even exist
@@АнтонМазовецкий on god, it's not like artists and modders in the community who do this stuff for fun/passion during their free time, this is literally these devs full time jobs and they're doing the least amount possible (whether that's the fault of the devs or management idk)
@@StegoAqua as someone who recently quit destiny, at the very least destiny was consistently bringing out new seasons with new stories and lots of new weapons to play with. Halo infinite seasons, sorry "oPeRaTiOnS" are simply just stuffing the shop with more slop and using the community to add maps/modes to the game.
What if I told you that most of the skins and cosmetics you see being brought to the game were made in 2019-2021?
Why should we, the consumers, care if they have a skeleton crew working on Halo Infinite? That's not our problem. That is THEIR problem.
These is the same developers that can model the HELL out of a new set of armor to sell to you for $20+, but they couldn't model a new weapon? Please, get real.
im convinced their skeleton crew doesn't have a dedicated animator
Don't you understand? *_WE_* should feel bad for the multi-billion dollar corporation that is choosing to cheap out on labor. It's actually _our_ faults for not buying every single microtransaction 15 different times. The shilling for 343 has to end. They've been in charge longer than Bungie, and this is the "best" they can do. Anyone who defends this company in any capacity is either incompetent or a grifter. You would not tolerate a mechanic or doctor who treated you like this
Running defense for complete and total slop lmao.
"Not as easy as just porting a model from another game"... yeah... about the DMR... I mean... "Bandit"...
Nah there's no excuse to have a skeleton crew working on the game when they still are monetizing it as aggressively as they are.
Absolutely. Until people stop buying into it the cycle will unfortunately continue
I think the issue with the blatant asset reuse is when its being used to masquerade an Infinite weapon as a legacy gun.
I had no problem with and was infact incredibly happy about the Avenger, but the Fuel Rod SPNKR (lmao) just comes across as being so dire
Agreed
Agreed, the weapon itself is a sick idea with sone cool lord possibly but the fact it’s replacing THE fuel rod is terribly unfortunate
Also I’m spanking my fuel rod if yk what I mean
This. Literally halo 5 reused each gun like 3 times but gave them a different play style or effect with a bit of lore. That was awesome and H5 has the best sandbox in the franchise. But this? This isn't a "new gun" this is an old gun that they refuse to put any effort into thus cobbled together leftover parts and threw it at us with an expectation to be grateful we got anything at all. Did way more harm than good.
@@kaelinbruningful I really don't mean to come off as argumentative here, but why is H5's Sandbox the best? Do you mean from a variety standpoint?
@@thesilentrookie7715 yes Halo 5 had the most unique weapons and vehicles compared to every other halo game in comparison. They also had the most vehicle as well. They also included the most legacy weapons along with new weapons. On top of that they had the most utility weapons.
This video is literally the "Leave the multi-billion dollar company alone" meme itself. 😂😂😂
Part of the problem is Mythic Jaqui made a near exact copy of the Fuel Rod Spnkr the SAME DAY. It is entirely possible for them, a company backed by Microsoft and loaded with the money they keep making off of microtransactions every time they shell out multiple armor sets into the shop to hire SOMEONE to polish and animate the existing Fuel Rod in the files. And on top of that they made the battle pass more expensive and with fomo to try and drive more sales and more revenue, which is insulting because then they continue to give us less in terms of actual content. They beg for investment but then never provide a reason to actually invest. When indie devs pump out more content with smaller teams and less resources and for sometimes cheaper cost, at some point the excuses of AAA developers become almost pathetic and just that, excuses.
Yup. I remember some people defending 343 from people who ask why they can't just add the Fuel Rod from previous games to Infinite? They are like "You know nothing of game development!" Honestly if that's the case, that sounds way too insulting to game developers a whole and more respect to Modders.
@enterusername6953 The mere fact that they're relying near solely on the community for content in Infinite and MCC tells me everything. If the community is able to put together maps, weapons, armor, even datamine and recreate stuff from 20 years ago, tells me the kind of people that run and are employed at 343. These games are almost solely upheld by talent who aren't being paid for work that should be done by those who actually do this for a living.
@@irishspitfireat this point just make Halo an open IP because it’s clear the people who have it don’t want it
@@user-ns4zm8qe9p Thankfully we kind of have that with MCC. At this rate if there were a way to pay modders to try and make console mods, it'd be perfect aside from the hacking that's plaguing it.
@ yeah I’m only on Xbox so seeing all the awesome mods is equal parts joyous and sad lol
Late Night Coping lol. “Guys the billion dollar corporation is trying their hardest, trust”
And rlly don’t care how many devs are working on the game, Microsoft is more than capable of hiring and supporting! Hopefully Nintendo can smack some sense into them (for MCC too) because I don’t think they will accept a low quality presentation!
Says tune out the anger, gaslighting at its finest 🤨
To be fair, most people have. The gaming community isn't mad about this; they don't even know it's happening. That's because they're not playing Halo anymore. Microsoft lost them due to their own incompetence. That's why more people aren't screaming; they just don't care anymore. Anger is a good thing to some degree since it shows people still care about the product. Apathy is how your product dies
@ beautifully said, I haven't even downloaded infinite because I dont care anymore, halo studios is just a rebrand of 343, and will be more of the same crap, at least we lived in the golden years of gaming 🥲
We’re in the Stockholm era of halo infinite. This is wild
How on earth do you expect to say "We have a skeleton crew running things now" and "We now have timed FOMO battle passes for our game that we just said we have a skeleton crew running indicating that the new stuff you're going to unlock is barely going to be in your inventory before we wrap it all up" and have people react positively...
0 FOMO. Stop spreading lies.
@@forsaknmindz9367 2 words: battlepass expiration
@@forsaknmindz9367 you clearly didn't do your research. If you don't buy the newest operation pass during the operation time frame, 3 of the 4 armor sets meaning 30 tiers will be removed from the pass and put into the shop for standard pricing. Meaning if you don't buy the pass during the operation you will have missed out on a significant part of the pass and have to spend 4-5x more money to get what you could have gotten during the operation.
And when they're already making a majority of the pass FOMO what's stopping them from doing this with the entirety of future passes. This compliance is how these companies have gotten away with milking every cent out of their players.
It is scummy and clearly them trying to rake in as much as they can before fully abandoning the game.
I hope the Microsoft reach around was worth licking their boots with your comment.
@@forsaknmindz9367 Brother, they're putting a time limit on the purchase window of battle passes. Even if the items rotate into the exchange the time limit will have certain players scared that they may not get the items from the pass that they want unless they buy it during the allotted window... you could almost say they'll have a fear of missing out on something...
@@forsaknmindz9367 Brother, they're putting a time limit on the purchase window of battle passes. Even if the items rotate into the exchange the time limit will have certain players scared that they may not get the items from the pass that they want unless they buy it then and there... you could almost they'll have a fear of missing out on something...
The problem isn’t the skeleton crew’s effort. The problem is that Halo has been reduced to this. And I do think they made a bad call with trying to bring in the fuel rod gun when they couldn’t even make it look like a proper fuel rod gun. They should have gone with something that actually looked like a weapon. Because this is just embarrassing. I don’t think it’s fair to call people toxic for seeing this. Halo is too big to have content this cheap. Microsoft is asking for way more money from us than they’re willing to put into Halo Infinite.
MCRSFT is huge... all of the skeleton-crew simp arguments about "finding a creative solution to fill a gap in the sandbox" is so far behind the problem at hand. its depressing to see people becoming complacent about all this. the more they get away with this stuff, the more lazy-jank and predatory market models will be pissed right down our backs
shame
Halo is like that girl you fell in love with as a young boy. You always remember her fondly and felt like the world was her canvas
Halo Infinite is like seeing that same girl, years later. You hope life has been good to her, and when she sees you…. she comes up to you and asks if you wanna have a good time for $$
It’s such a sad state Halo Infinite is in. All the potential, but it ended up being a money grubbing sugar baby.
The unique thing about halo is modders actually DO know how easy or hard adding new weapons are, you and Halo Studios may consider their work "not real" or "armchair developers" but they are doing so much better, Slipspace Engine IS Blam! Why would they change how weapons are coded?
As Datto put it recently, it's not the responsibility of the consumer to have sympathy for the plight of the developers. Infinite is a online game where you can spend real money for wildly over priced skins and they are reintroducing fomo. A game that's been carried by community content and they'll happily pay outside developers to create maps that pale in comparison to the communitys work, but will say the community content carrying the game isn't real work. As long as people aren't just straight insulting the devs, it's completely fair to be disappointed when we get these sub par updates for a game still charging players for skins that cost as much as games
I will say this-Dato is in a situation where destiny isn’t getting a sequel so that quality bar destiny 2 is operating under is unacceptable. With halo, we know that a sequel is coming. Infinite only has a few years left
@@LateNightHalo Halo infinite is still charging players and for the amount it is, I feel people can say it's unacceptable. I'm not really jumping on the hate train and I'm trying to not get too hopeful about things. It feels like 90% of the Ws for halo are things that just should have been that way in the first place, and any major W always has some caveat. I think destiny and halo are both equally operating unacceptably and I say this as someone who's too two favorite franchises ARE halo and destiny. With the way halo studios is still treating community work and charging us out the wazoo(ik the prices aren't up to them but it's the unfortunate reality that it opens them to scrutiny). Until we actually see what the next major project is, the current thing they ask us to spend money on is just factually a poor product, as bad as destiny
We cannot keep giving them excuses let's be so fr.
They had my support in the beginning, but every other update has been community made with SOME dev help. The most they've done is overpriced cosmetics and a few of their own maps.
The anger is justified, skeleton crew or not, they would've done the same thing just make the rocket a cosmetic.
I will give them the fact they've turned it into a ' fuel rod ' but why not just tweak the left over files to look like the Halo 3 or Reach one if the details are all that's missing ?
I see no difference from ' major ' updates to now aside the Battlepasses are now FOMO.
Im tired of giving them chances when they only give disappointment. The next halo needs to be IT if they are surviving this next run. Im putting all my hope that's left in it and pray they learned from past mistakes.
This entire Great Journey they talk so much about has been nothing but a lie.
@@LateNightHalo while destiny isn't getting a sequel, marathon is where a majority of Bungie's resources are going so Destiny 2 and halo infinite are in the same boat atm
How is there FOMO? Everything in the pass will go in the shop and exchange later once the op ends, how is that fomo if you can still get it?
my god that new fuel rod looks awful
2:27 ....ok? So then do it. We are talking about a studio with hundreds of employed people and years of working on this game. They had time, money and resources and the community got some lame excuse for new content. If its that difficult to add ONE weapon, then maybe this studio shouldn't be in game development.
LNG just explained how it isn’t that simple. How can you just ignore the video you choose to watch?
@@nicholasshealy9040 half of what LNG suggested as to why its 'not simple' wasnt even relevant to the production of a new weapon. He doesn't know anymore than the average commenter would know.
@ I’d take his word over yours considering only one of you doesn’t have an unnecessarily bad attitude.
@@TMek42I literally asked my developer buddies at halo studios about this. No offense but you’re being an armchair developer
@@LateNightHalodo it right or don’t do it at all, that simple
Look man, i understand your desire to sympathize with the skeleton crew, and of course, this sort of reaction from the community just means Infinite is less likely to get anything at all in the future, but there are so many layers on this shit onion that i can't help but agree with all the criticisim (This is what all the overpriced MTXs been paying for?, Halo Studios can't seriously get a fucking animator, are they still as mismanaged so the rebranding was just for show?, etc), and at this point, if resources are this thin and they just can't do anything more, is it even worth to keep updating Infinite over MCC?
Still shilling to get invited into the next forerunner programm, right?
Im sorry but the fuelrod in the files already had animations and materials, all it was missing was a grenade animation and a grapple animation which they could have ported from the spnkr, I know this because ive done weapon animation porting before in many of the halo games including 4 and h2amp. All it would take is a little polish to finish it, and yes localization sucks but it really wouldn't take that much effort to go into the strings and add the word fuelrod to each language avalable in game. Though i understand this is not the developers fault, for me im more upset with Microsoft for neglecting halo as a whole.
Yknow the fact you argue it isn't as easy as people say yet it's a Triple AAA game just comes to show how shit games are these days that there's difficulty in a "Professional and high level" setting. The term triple AAA is a joke lmao
If they are going to offer me dog 💩, I prefer getting nothing, thank you very much. 👀
Throwing these videos to make “consciousness” and “sympathy with de developers” when 343 had all the chances from like 10 years and still making the same mistakes. It’s a step back.
Changes requiere hard decisions. Stop consuming Halo is the one and only solution it’s left.
What
I find it utterly moronic that 343 (they don't deserve Halo's name as their studio) have the audacity to have a work culture considering members of the community creating new content for MCC as just Forgers and even downplaying Forgers themselves who are the only ones adding legitimate new content to the game, when the devs themselves are so lazy with their "official" content. That is not a Fuel Rod Gun. I realise none of them actually worked on real Halo and not this sloppy seconds 343 have put out, but they shouldn't need the community to tell them that isn't a Fuel Rod Cannon. If it's true that they're just working on a remake of CE, then they are truly lazy and redundant. For anyone accusing me of being toxic - point your attention at the devs who have been behaving like entitled morons since the moment they got Halo from Bungie. If they want respect, they better damn well show their customers respect first and this update proves it hasn't started yet.
Its so funny because its not a new or returning weapon, its just a SPNKr variant that they were going to sell for 1200 V-bucks
> release lame/buggy game
> start making new game and put skeleton crew on the current lame/buggy game
> repeat
How many times are we going to try to excuse 343i/Halo Studios being a competent developer to handle the Halo franchise?
I WANT MERIT-BASED COSMETICS AGAIN! LET ME GARNER 1000 GAMERSCORE TO UNLOCK A SUPER COOL ARMOR PIECE OR PERFORM CHALLENGES FOR MY ARMOR AGAIN! EVEN REACH WITH A RANK-BASED ARMOR SYSTEM WAS BETTER THAN FORCING US TO BUY ARMOR FOR A GAME WE ALREADY BOUGHT THAT MEANS NOTHING BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL JUST THINK "OH THAT GUY HAS MONEY" WHEN THEY SEE MY AWESOME SPARTAN INSTEAD OF "OH WOW HE'S REALLY GOOD BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES HE NEEDED TO DO TO GET THAT ARMOR"!!!
"In a AAA game environment"
"Keeping the cost of development low"
WTF!!!
Yep
"No stop, they are a small skeleton crew. Understand their struggles! Show empathy to the studio."
Me remembering how they broke a promise of split screen, wasted 3 years for drip content, and charged us money for COLOR CHANGES and memes. Yeah no.
@@LateNightHaloNuuupe
Remember when Circle Workshop was still called Number Company and they said that Halo Infinite was supposed to have a “10 Year Journey?” In all seriousness, I haven’t played the game in a while and, I gotta say, I don’t really know if I intend to anytime soon. A Fuel Rod skinned Rocket Launcher unfortunately isn’t really gonna make me be like “Oh, now I gotta play this.”
agreed. halo infinite has a "failed game" aura that i just cant return to
There was never a 10 year journey tho, one dude said "start of the next 10 years" one time in a single interview, and then he left Infinite a month later (before Infinite even came out), and left Microsoft entirely a few months after that. There were no plans, no mentions of plans, no stated goals, nothing. If Joe himself had said "yeah we're cooking up some really cool campaign DLC for y'all" and then canceled it, that's one thing. But that's not at all what happened
Everyone should be held to similar standards. "Next 10 years of halo" heavily implies that there will be some form of DLC in the future, it doesn't matter if it was said by Joe Staten or anyone else and it shouldn't matter if they aren't with the company anymore, they were there when it was said and it wasn't delivered on when infinite launched. I don't recall anyone trying to retract that statement before the game had come out, it seems to me that everybody just went with it. Maybe possibly because they knew it would help sales?
@ even so, Halo infinte nose dived waaaay sooner than it shouldve. The best Ship in a while, only to be sunken by its delirious captain.
I hear a lot of shit eating, you guys are so used to eating shit that this is just ok lmao.
You have to stop with this "skeleton crew" argument as a defense of 343/Halo Studios. If they're going to lean on Infinite until the next game, they need to borrow people from the other current Halo projects to make content like this. For everyone involved (texture artist, 3d modeler, animator) it would realistically take less than a month to fully finish this task. None of the people involved require knowledge of the Slipspace engine so any relevant artists across any HS project could do this. The response to the new spnkr has been pretty universally negative so I hope HS reads that loud and clear that compromised solutions like this aren't appreciated and hurt the already low reputation of Halo and 343/HS
Its not a defense, its an explanation. I completely agree that the bar for quality should be higher but management clearly is not interested in raising it. This is the best we got. Its either this or shut down the game. I enjoy the game so I'm fine with this until the next project releases
No its definitely time to stop being nice to the million dollar company. Im sorry for the individuals who work there but 343/halo studios absolutely deserve what there getting. Since day one they have mismanaged halo and worse. This is unfortunately what they deserve.
People are rabid over what they've done to this franchise. What they showed was a lazy cash grab to try and strangle money out of the few fans still playing their slop. new name, same studio.
Comparison is of course the thief of joy, but at this point in Halo 5’s lifespan it had like 5 more weapons and dozens more weapon variants, along with a good hand-full of vehicles and their variants, the short-comings of Infinite are highlighted because of how Halo 5 succeeded content wise.
I truly can’t believe that Infinite will fade away like this when it only got ONE weapon and three variants, it’s honestly one of the most insane things I’ve ever seen in any video game ever.
5 Is easily better and more fun not sure who's still playing this garbage
Yet modders can overcome such obstacles (skeleton crew/lack of resources) and still add so many weapons….
Bro be honest with us, how much money did 343 aka "Halo Studios" pay you to make this video?
More than than the devs are getting
I'm gonna be totally honest. I think 343 (not calling them Halo Studios, they don't deserve the name 'Halo') is basically done. The community has been dealing with their bullshit for over ten years now, and each new installment into the franchise results in more and more disappointment.
These people have lied to us so many times, overpriced their online stores to sap our wallets, ruined parts of the game lore with terrible rewrites and half-assed plot elements (Halo 5, to name one), and now they can't even be assed to give us a real fuel rod gun?
A FUCKING FUELROD GUN?!!
Do these people honestly believe this is an acceptable standard for Halo? If the developers really think giving us an hour long stream of what essentially amounts to a company emails worth of content is an acceptable commitment for this community, then I really hope they pull their heads out their asses. The 'skeleton crew' is literally HIRED to update the game with content. Its their JOB, how is this so difficult?
I can only give them the benefit of the doubt so many times! Halo 4, Halo 5, the Master Chief Collection (initial release), the FUCKING REQ STORE!! Jesus Christ on a bike, what the hell kind of drug-induced fever dream am I living in!?
Either they give Halo to a new studio who can actually put in the effort (which this studio clearly does NOT do, and any attempts to defend this shitstorm after 10+ years of failure deserves a right hook) or they finally destroy themselves and take this empty shell of a franchise with them.
Holy shit... Twenty four years of halo, and this is how it ends.
I really dont get why you act like its inappropriate for the community to react negatively to anything 343i do.
Yeah this is unacceptable. This is halo and they barely have the resources to add 1 gun. Completely unacceptable
Implementing FOMO ensures I will never play this game again.
They have the gall to add FOMO to battlepasses now? Somehow it sounds like Halo Studios/Microsoft have managed to shove their heads even further into where the sun doesn't shine.
Their incompetency and greed is worthy of study.
LNG, I think you are giving Halo Studios too much credit here. Now I admit the actual people working on the skeleton crew shouldn't get hate, but I feel like 343/Halo Studios just gave up halfway through development. They had like 7 years to develop this game and it was so unfinished that it made me feel like I was playing one of those early access survival crafting games on Steam that are abandoned after a year. The game had no theater mode, no forge, no co-op campaign, no split screen (which they promised), painting your armor a basic color required you buying a battlepass or skin bundle, there were only a handful of maps (half of them I personally didn't find enjoyable), the matchmaking playlists were barren with no variety even though they could have put in fan favorite game modes from past Halos, the campaign felt like a demo of what it should have been compared to the trailer with all of the different biomes and wildlife, Infinite was supposed to be their magnum opus that would last us years and it's a disappointing failure of a game that took 4 years post launch to be in a somewhat acceptable state. They had 20 years of Halo history, maps, weapons, game modes, to draw inspiration from and I feel like they used none of it. How did it end up this bad?
I feel like us fans were robbed of what could have been a game that heralded the start of a new golden age of Halo.
The Halo infinite stream crash was crazy man.😂
I personally thought it was hilarious that even their sales pitch for the expensive battlepass had bugs and glitches
@LateNightHalo yay
Dude, you defending this is crazy. It should not be defendeded, this should be criticised, because criticism is what 343 and Microsoft need. Not defence. We should be ripping Infinite apart because it is such an insult to Halo's memory
I’m sorry but this time I’m not buying it, If their updates are so poor why make them in the first place? If their community is already keeping the game alive add new features to forge to tinker with instead of whatever this is
Halo Studios IS Microsoft. Sorry, but expectations will be in-line with a company worth trillions of dollars. This isn't it.
Keep shilling bro, you’re one of the reasons we keep receiving slop. Stop giving an incompetent developer justification for their laziness and utter destruction of an IP
LNG this is the lowest possible effort addition to the game. Don’t make excuses for them being unwilling to do work. They have plenty of energy to make new MTX but no time to port things into infinite. Proof, in less than a day someone replicated a kitbash into halo reach remaking the same thing
It’s not about “energy” it’s about cost and return,.
Of course the F2P game has resources to make skins-they’re gonna sell them.
A sandbox addition is free though and that’s a tough sell to stingy management who are moving on to the next game
And I already address why the “but a modder did it” stuff just doesn’t hold weight. A modder didn’t need to localize, playtest, work with UI/UX, etc etc
AAA studios have a development pipeline they operate under and all things must be developed through this pipeline. You can’t just go off on your own and “mod it in”
@@LateNightHalo
The only additions to the pipeline a Fuel Rod Gun would add compared to a Fuel Rod SPNKR is getting *1* animator to work on it and there's a lazy way to ensure they have minimal work, too, which I can explain.
The Fuel Rod SPNKR is a separate weapon as opposed to a reskin, so all of the required pipeline work for a new weapon is going to have to be undertaken (Addition to maps/wall weapons, gamemode loadouts like fiesta, etc, etc.)
Modelling is going to be done for it. Texturing/Materials/Shaders, too. New SPNKR is getting that.
Gameplay programming/tweaks/testing is covered as it's a new weapon.
Balance testing/tweaks is covered as it's a new weapon.
UI/UX is covered as it's a new weapon.
All they need to do to make a Fuel Rod gun instead of the SPNKR if they're starved from a resource standpoint is put an animator working on just refining the Halo 5 animations. If they wanna get extra lazy, make it the battery powered Halo 1 version so no reload animation is required, just firing animations (Which you could repurpose from existing ones.)
That's an insanely minor ask for such a BIG win in terms of good will from the community and the fact that nobody sprung for that in the pipeline this Fuel Rod SPNKR had to go through to get to the new update is ridiculous.
Edit: Also, the community has been asking for weapon skins for non-UNSC weapons/vehicles since launch yet whoever is pulling the strings at 343 isn't smart enough to actually spring for that and push the MTX they want to push. It's crazy.
@@peepsbatesFucking tell em Chief. I don't get this feel bad bullshit. They're all incompletent liars, let it die already. We are never getting another Halo because of how much 343 fucked shit up. Oh and I know "halo 7". Just wait, yall didn't believe me about 343 and yet here we are.
@@LateNightHalo Do you even REMEMBER what Infinite was like on launch? Go ahead, call me an armchair developer, but I've seen developers work on AAA projects, 343i (now Halo Studios) doesn't really do proper testing, otherwise the game wouldn't continue to be a buggy and janky mess since launch.
The game has a skeleton crew too, like you said, so it is not like the pipeline should care as much about quality, the testing would be fast-tracked. Localization? Not a big deal, the Fuel Rod has been a staple since CE, you can easily kitbash the older localization in. UI/UX? Simple, does it look close enough to what it was with other fuel rods? Good enough for the devs to add it.
We're used to this bad track record, so why not just have janky animations than a bad re-skin of an existing gun?
@@LateNightHalo I appreciate the reply. I’ll just say this, we both know this is an extremely low effort update on the studios part.
The game is profitable from the skins they sell, and all the stuff you listed that they had to work on to add a new weapon is literally their job description.
Sandbox additions being difficult to ‘sell’ to management is lame logic if a company is making a F2P game (their decision, not the community’s). It’d be like if you had a museum that was free entry but was subsidized by its gift shop. Maybe this could work, but not if they don’t have anything interesting on display or never add anything new.
The majority of the games content is free to the studio because of forgers making new maps and modes.
Effectively, we are in a situation where the studio made the scaffolding of a game (the gameplay is indeed great), they got in over their heads and bit off more than they could chew. Then they decided to scrap the whole thing and make a new game. (Again it was their decision to go live service/F2P) Now, they say “ohh dev is hard, we just don’t have the staff, it’s a skeleton crew”. All the while, they retain a workforce to consistently pump out MTX yet, they rely on forgers to make the bulk of the live service content for free.
My issue is this,
The community keeps going through this cycle with 343 where, they make promises, they fail to deliver on them, they apologize, say wo is me and put in the bare minimum to appear as if they are “hard at work resolving the issues”, meanwhile they probably left one or two people with a mess and told them “have fun”, and we forgive and forget. Then they repeat the process.
This sets and further reinforces a bad precedent which is widely seen throughout the AAA industry.
The community and fans should stop giving in and supporting this. 343 is owned and operated by a company with a market cap of 3.08 Trillion. All excuses about them not having man power are completely irrelevant and self imposed. Especially after all the people they’ve fired and taken off the project. Not enough people realize 343i = halo studios = Microsoft
We all care about the game, we all love Halo as a franchise, and ultimately we all appreciate the people that bring it to life and create it. Unfortunately when the community accepts the bare minimum and makes excuses for the studio’s failures, all it does harm the very thing we all care about.
you continue to make excuses for this sorry game; 20 dollar skins but they can't manage a gun that isn't just a salvaged shop skin.
i mean whatever you have to put up with the result for Halo 6 because i won't be.
its been failure upon failure from the start where they marketed it with lies; then didn't deliver squat. including the FOMO-noFOMO-FOMO shift they keep doing... because the customer can't be gouged enough.
what didn't land was a 30/70 split on the stream between "the game" and "HCS". HCS does not matter; they literally removed the trick jumps outside of it.... so its nothing like it use to be back in the H3 days where you'd see something to try; now its practically worthless...
the days of the devs getting a pass and the company receiving all the blame are over: results or to the airlock.
No way you’re defending the fuel rod. Multi million dollar franchise doesn’t have the resources to add new animations lol then why would I even play that game in the first place
What a joke. You should have higher standards.
I know this just came out, but I just wanna say that the fuel rod spnkr is horrible
To me I feel like it isn't that bad I know it doesn't bounce but the ce one didn't either I know it looks weird but it shoots 6 hunter bullets or whatever they're called to me that seems like a fuel rod cannon. I'd rather have this now and hopefully later on get the OG or a polished version of the h5 model than not get this at all and probably 1-3 years later ge a polished version of the h5 model. Even if it is laziness it's a new weapon and not a weapon skin.
@@RainplayzzNo. This is all you're getting
@@courieroftvs I'll still enjoy it either way maybe later on they add the thing where the bullets bounce like they added emp back to plasma pistols
Agreed, Like the weapon doesn't even make sense Lore wise. It's a Banished Weapon, why would they make something like this? What is the benefit of completely changing the functioning and base of the weapon for a human one? Did they like the human handling of a rocket launcher compared to the Fuel Rod they are trained to use? It looks like it fires the same thing as a Fuel Rod model, except they made it Human? Why would they do that.
And couldn't they make the Fuel Rod red at least? Make it more unique as a Banished Weapon, but I bet that requires too much effort from the studio.
@@enterusername6953
It's not even functionally possible. Where the fuck are the fuel rods being loaded to the barrels stored? Why keep the second, now useless, barrel? Lore wise the Covies barely understood how the fuel rod worked, so how did the Banished combine it and a SPNKR?
I genuinely have reached a point where my care about the skeleton crew doing the best they can is at zero i still absolutely despise the fuel rod thing they did I'd rather they never did anything in that regard at all. I genuinely am that frustrated with halo atm. Im just not able to be compassionate or patient or less harsh on 343 as much anymore. Im just expressing my honest feelings as a halo fan at the current moment
I wouldn't really care about the actual weapon reskin, but it's more frustrating in how they presented it. They had a segment of proudly showing this "weapon" with commentary along with making a trailer for it. They do know they just did a weapon reskin with a few tweaks. Like how oblivious are they that they won't get backlash of this? Look how proud they are XD.
It shows how incompetent's and tone death the studio really is. I refuse to believe they understand anything. Lol do they have a PR team or a quality control team?
A billion-dollar Corporation and they can't be bothered to Shell out a couple million for the specific purpose to improve Halo infinite a flagship IP for the Xbox???
It literally took a modder an hour to create the same weapon in reach
5:06 I have to say that it feels the other way. Our playlists in lots of games used to be tuned for normal and competitive separately but now we're just told "you'll get one tune, it's competitive focused and you will accept it"
Other way around. Stuff like clamber, ads, sprint, etc and the super laser beam-y balancing for weapons like the assault rifle, BR, etc aren’t for competitive play. Those are specifically done to make halo easier for casuals
Infinite is a fairly casual friendly game
The issue is when the game is too easy to get killing sprees in, EVERYONE is stomping each other which makes it feel sweaty
@LateNightHalo I'm talking about weapon balance not gameplay mechanics. Clamber, sprint, etc. aren't an inherently casual mechanics.
We can debate the casualfication of video games all night but the point is this problem was solved over a decade ago when we had split playlists between casual and competitive but now they're all grouped together to fill lobbies
@LateNightHalo Casuals? Then explain the matchmaking.
@LateNightHalo Also its clearly not.
How is more "skill-based" equipment better for casuals...Like the grapple, repulsor, skewer with its huge drop and many other weapons which are harder to use than previous iterations.
Literally everything you said here can be countered. How is sprint and clamber geared to casuals? Sprint slide and clamber is more useful for non casuals....why would a casual prefer to click more button. Then map, all maps are the same 3 lane "competitive" style from other competitive games. They've added ping for more co-ordination, and labelled map zones....as if it was CS. This isn't casual.
Previous Halo games were more party games, more casual, and more fun. Every game of infinite save from BTB feels like competitive and it is because of forced SBMM and game design.
You really sound like you're shilling here.
I dont know what to tell you lol I was part of the early development of Infinite. The goal was to make the game accessible and friendly to non halo players.
Sprint, clamber, ADS, etc were not there for pro players. They hate that stuff and wish halo would just return to the classic moveset.
Another day of being glad I dropped Infinite.
Potential armchair developer here:
Agree with your latter half of the take in that the skeleton crew may simply not have the resources, be it funding, skill, or more, but it's a business that is built to make games- the pipeline to make a weapon, a core component of an ongoing fps project, should be established. Overspecialization in the larger gaming businesses comes at the cost of personnel skill range or adequate compensation to wear more than their own hat, to my interpretation. Presentation is key for Halo Studios & Microsoft, not function, and that's why they'd risk letting you think it was a Fuel Rod.
They should've taken more creative liberties with the SPNKr Fuel Rod. Make it LOOK Banished, give the Fuel Rods a red hue, dress it up a little bit. Make the damn thing not feel like such a wannabe-Fuel-Rod.
Toxic live chat? You mean people aren't happy with the current state of the game and critizise the billion dollar company that it's supposed to be maintaining it? Also, if a weapon in the files has issues before it can be implemented, isn't it the job of the studio to fix it? At what point are we going to stop defending 343 2.0? The Halo community deserves what it has at the moment.
I get why people hate HCS
Infection genuinely is dead and made friends if mine quit. Grifball is dead too. They rely on the community which has to use a broken server browser while 343 pushes their money driven esports for a dead game.
All this update is a slap in our faces and an insult.
The "toxic" chat was well deserved, the community is tired!
When it comes to making cosmetics for the shop, they has ressources, but not for a proper weapons.
Verry bad start for Halo Studios, the rebrand is a colossal failure.
Modern gaming sucks as F.
Next game need to get rid of Microtransactions and live service...
Christ, wtf is that clown-car warthog skin?
A player with no self respect
@@LateNightHalo and any developer that would add it, too
5:54 do you actually call us "thankless and inpatient playerbase"? After all 343i has done to destroy our favourite franchise?
If you took thankless and impatient as an insult then it says something about you because it wasnt intended as an insult.
Stop looking for things to be offended at
@@LateNightHalo oh so calling people false name is not bad now huh i wonder if i call you false thing you would not angry just showing why people are angry plus we wait for 5 years
@@LateNightHalo Not the sharpest knife....
Excuse me, what?
@DeftTouch the expression is “sharpest tool in the shed”
What makes this gun even stupider is that we’ve known they’ve had an almost complete fuel rod in the files for a while, so it really seems like they actively put in more effort to make a worse weapon.
I wonder if all the old devs got filtered out and all the new guys didn’t know it exists.
If only a skeleton crew is working on the game and giving us half assed content they should be lowering the prices.
I can't even be angry, It's just indifference at this point. If they're not willing to put in the resources for a gun they already have a model for, why should I reinstall the game? Am I supposed to get excited for Assault? The shop? Why should I even consider playing the next title if I know they're not going to give it the polish it needs? I only pop up every now and again to see if there is anything that would get me back into playing it, but there isn't and won't be. We have had a total of ONE gun in three years, and that was just a DMR without a scope.
Ooo poor multinational game developing studio that has a multimillionare company behind, they are doing there very best sacratching every last dollar with the fomo battlepasses and adding so much stuff in the store at high prices using nostalgic bait such as the ugly redesigned dutch armor and the halo 3 odst magnum. Stop defending them man, even if it's not the developers fault you can't throw all the blame on a "toxic" community asking for something better
I can’t barely stand to look at what halo has become. Truly sickening. They’ve now introduced TIMED PREMIUM battle passes?? The only weapons they have introduced are reskins?? They still have the gall to sell $30 armour sets in the shop?? Absolutely disgusting.
I have to disagree with the fuel rod situation. The H5 fuel rod cannon has been in the files since the beginning. They’ve had the time and animators to introduce it. Even nowadays it wouldn’t be difficult for them to get a single animator to port this weapon over. They are large development studio backed by a one of the largest companies in the world. No excuses there.
The premium battle passes is an insane thing to introduce into a game which is so dry of content as Halo Infinite. The game is extremely shallow, even after years of development. Adding FOMO back is also a crazy thing to do. It really shows there is no change between 343 and Halo Studio.
I also have to disagree on your take about competitive halo. Competitive halo has been given a massive spotlight over the past two game entries. Far larger spotlight than the one on social game modes. Which shows in that it took 343 years to introduce social game modes like infection into their games. They prioritised competitive halo which has definitely hurt the games.
The battle pass expiring is just gonna give people less of a reason to reinstall. It certainly doesn't make me want to.
"UH OH. LATE NIGHT SHILLING"
leave the multi-billion dollar company alone...
Poor Microsoft
Got to be a forerunner on the next halo game smh....
Fact of the matter is you can’t rebrand your whole company and have this be your first proper content to come out since. Besides a flashy trailer, this is our current view on halo studios. Off to a bad start so hard it’s giving Deja vu
Everyone lost and continues to lose with Halo: Infinite.
As a former halo superfan who hasn’t really played Halo since 2023 what’s the deal? Are you guys enjoying what’s going on?
idk man. Im enjoying the game
Idk what these guys are on. They've been lied to about almost everything and they are STILL willing to gag on 343s schlong. How many more lies and mediocre bullshit must happen for people to stop giving these developers the benefits of a doubt.
i play like once every couple months during up to 2023 i was grinding and got excited for season 5 then all that hype gone but i have so much enjoyment playing other games like arma warframe devil may cry metro ninja gaiden etc it's not worth playing infinite really anymore halo would never get a W without a L i might like play the CE remake but honestly im done😭 playing mcc with the homies sometimes is better than every hour on infinite
I just play the master chief collection if I play at all. I beat infinite’s campaign and played some mp when it first came out, it was kinda fun ig but I just wasn’t feeling it
For me it’s complicated. I really wanna see halo make a huge comeback and get the support it needs but even if infinite has its faults I still play it consistently and not because I want to grind for cosmetics (I’ve been happy with my armor since the first 2 months) but just because I enjoy the gameplay. It’s certainly not perfect but It would feel weird to call it bad if I’m alway having fun with it
Look man. I'm glad you're enjoying infinite for what it is but going into expiring battle passes and other scummy microtransaction bs, rebranding to halo studios or whatever and still having the same problematic people in charge when it was 343i that are still making the same shitty decisions, and switching to unreal engine does not bode well for the future of halo and fans are rightfully pissed off about it. Like you said people want to see Halo get a fat W but the people running it are making that an impossibly. Halo infinite had so much potential just for it to be a cash shop disguised as a video game and to make matters worse they SOMEHOW made a better forge than they made in Halo 5 which was already a phenomenal leap in giving console players a way to make content in their game, just for them to shut off main support for infinite and walk into the next halo title learning absolutely nothing. I feel for the devs that put blood, sweat, and tears into making the forge and designing cool shit like the grapple and skewer for the game but as long as 343i still has the same shitty leaders making decisions its not a good idea to support the company imo. That extends to AAA game studios as a whole but we're talking about halo rn.
Fire 343.
Toxic= trash talking a corporate product.
Ya know if you walk into a McDonald’s and call the food garbage, the employee will shrug and say well it’s a McDonald’s.
If the game is being sabotaged by corporate, why do the game devs take such personal offense when the consumer points out what the devs themselves acknowledge to be a trash product? Why don’t they just shrug and say well duh, it’s a corporate product, just like the McDonald’s employee?
I’m just tired of this “Toxic” narrative. Like okay then stop trying to market and profit off people with your social media presence
I gave up on infinite back on the SoF operation when they clearly and obviously gutted season 6 in favor of selling more armor bundles in the store. At that point I thought "The monetization cannot get ANY worse." And here I am, proven wrong in the worst ways again. The FOMO is practically grabbing us by the groin with these new changes saying "Pay 10 dollars now or pay 80-200 later." Cool. The one justification I had for Infinite's monetization system just went out the window. Great job 343/HS. Along with the complete gutting of the Heatwave and Bulldog, neither weapon needed a nerf. I do not understand what they were expecting with this update. They've gone back on ANOTHER promise made before launch. Split Screen Co Op, Campaign DLC, No FOMO, etc. When they added Mark V for 20 dollars back in season 5 the writing was on the wall for me. "They're gonna keep doing it" And they kept doing it. Helioskrill, Achilles, two armor sets that required skill and prowess to EARN, now just locked behind a 20 dollar paywall, trashing the significance those armors had when you wore them. I saw the MA5K and went "They're gonna end up doing even worse than this" and they did. We already have a weapon that fills the weaker yet faster explosive weapon role that bounces, you wanna know what it's called? The Cindershot. There were a few good changes that would've made me come back to the game, if it wasn't so painfully obvious that they're doing below bare minimum, making the monetization worse and expecting anyone to have any praise for this game. I was let down at launch, I was let down at Season 5, I was let down for the last time at the SoF Operation, now I'm just watching the franchise I still am passionate about be drowned in the toilet. I was always optimistic about Halo....Not anymore.
Whos gonna go Noble Six on Halo's CEO???
Why should I care that Infinite's dev team is a skeleton crew? What happened to all that talk about a decade of support for Infinite? 343/Halo Studios/Microsoft or whatever name they go by now is just trying to squeeze out some pity from people along with squeezing their dollars out for overpriced skins and battlepasses.