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  • Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
  • Perhaps the most extensive video on the Nine Hells in existence.
    Timestamps:
    0:00 Intro
    0:53 A note on pronunciation
    2:13 Law and evil
    4:36 Fiend taxonomy
    10:28 An overview of Baator
    13:13 How to get there
    17:41 How to get out
    19:23 Spell keys
    21:02 The Dark Eight
    21:42 The Lords of the Nine
    25:49 Asmodeus
    30:29 Avernus
    38:46 Dis
    43:38 Minauros
    46:52 Phlegethos
    49:41 Stygia
    54:47 Malbolge
    57:03 Maladomini
    1:01:38 Cania
    1:04:19 Nessus
    1:06:37 End
    Sources:
    Planescape Campaign Setting (1994)
    AD&D Guide to Hell (1999)
    Planescape Monstrous Compendium 1 (1994)
    Planes of Law (1995)
    Dragon Magazine #223 (1995)
    Dragon Magazine #75 (1983)
    AD&D Manual of the Planes (1987)
    Faces of Evil: The Fiends (1997)
    Mordenkainen’s Tome of Foes (2018)
    On Hallowed Ground (1996)
    Well of Worlds (1994)
    The Fires of Dis (1995)
    Hellbound (1996)
    Maztica Alive! (1991)
    Dragon Magazine #91 (1984)
    The Lost City (1982)
    Dragon Magazine #93 (1985)
    AD&D 2nd Edition Player’s Handbook (1989)
    D&D 3.5 Player’s Handbook (2003)
    D&D 3rd Edition Manual of the Planes (2001)
    D&D 3.5 Elder Evils (2007)
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  • @rejvaik00
    @rejvaik00 5 месяцев назад +55

    "Did you ever hear of the tragedy of Asmodeus the fallen? I thought not, it's not a story your gods would tell you. It's a myth of creation.
    Asmodeus once known as Ahriman was an upholder of order, so knowledgeable and so powerful he could influence the chaotic void to create law
    He had such a knowledge of law that he could even keep at bay the demon hordes. Unfortunately he couldn't convince the gods to decide upon the center of creation and without their uplifting wings he fell into the lowest pits of the hells.
    Ironic he could uphold the law, but not himself"

    • @TheH8redd
      @TheH8redd 4 месяца назад +5

      Always remember that Asmodeus is also called the Lord of Lies, so all the stories, myths and legends surrounding Asmodeus are probably all lies. Even what I just wrote here is mostlikely a lie. The only certainty we have about Asmodeus is that we don't truly know who he is, but even that is probably a lie...... Is he the embodiment of this paradox: I always lie? (If this statement is a lie, then I don't always lie and tell the truth sometimes, but if the statement is true, the statement is self defeatiing...)

    • @derpasaurus155
      @derpasaurus155 4 месяца назад

      ​@@TheH8redd are you telling me the archdevil himself would... LIE??!!😵🥴🤯

    • @TheH8redd
      @TheH8redd 4 месяца назад

      @@derpasaurus155How can a paradox LIE? Explain that to me. ( Refering to the I always lie paradox).

    • @truthjustice6454
      @truthjustice6454 2 месяца назад

      Misinformation and Disinformation...😅

  • @alexandermarquardt597
    @alexandermarquardt597 16 дней назад +6

    So I watched most all of this video, and I just wanted to say how much I appreciate this long form content,...wait what now, my SOUL?

  • @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi
    @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi Месяц назад +4

    Why is it comforting to listen to videos about the structure of Hell? Thanks for your hard work in compiling and performing.

  • @professorgrimm4602
    @professorgrimm4602 5 месяцев назад +90

    I love your example of Jeff Bezos as a lawful evil character

    • @TheCoulsonlax
      @TheCoulsonlax 5 месяцев назад

      All billionaires are lawful evil

    • @johnmobley9369
      @johnmobley9369 4 месяца назад +5

      It’s been a favorite of mine.

    • @gabrielrussell5531
      @gabrielrussell5531 4 месяца назад +8

      My preferred examples are Robert Moses and Henry Kissinger.

    • @StonedPriest
      @StonedPriest 4 месяца назад +2

      It's fitting. The Bbeg of the campaign I've been running is a cross of Vandal Savage, and Bezos. He's a long lived hobgoblin general who retired and started a shipping empire in a Spartan-esque society.

    • @truthjustice6454
      @truthjustice6454 2 месяца назад

      I remember an amoral billionaire reference, not anyone specific. Time stamp?

  • @suy21
    @suy21 5 месяцев назад +30

    Holy crap, one hour of Planescape content. Impressive, Wade 🎉👏

  • @sheldorleconcher8870
    @sheldorleconcher8870 4 месяца назад +22

    The satanic panic was really annoying...our group had to change gaming locations a half dozen times because of some sort of outrage and crazy accusations of devil worship and whatnot. As a teenager back then, it always struck me as weird that the "adults" couldn't see it was all made up. It still seems weird. Good content, btw. Even after decades of playing and DMing, it was interesting and gave me ideas for my current infernally influenced campaign. Thanks!

    • @AndyMcGehee
      @AndyMcGehee 3 месяца назад +3

      I still don’t know how my Dungeon Masters Guide survived the “purge of 1984” by my stepmother after I left home for college. I’d love to see the look on her face if she ever saw my copy of the Book of Vile Darkness.

    • @truthjustice6454
      @truthjustice6454 2 месяца назад +1

      You all gettin' Woke now?😅

  • @jaxongolf
    @jaxongolf Месяц назад +2

    Great explanation of evil using the corporate analogy.

  • @danielrowan4716
    @danielrowan4716 5 месяцев назад +18

    Mr Allen - I’m a huge fan of Planar Lore and this was a concise yet wonderfully thorough treatment of The Nine Hells. Well done.
    Asmodeus was listed in the 1e AD&D Monster Manual as the Ruler of Hell. Additional treatments of the hierarchy of Hell was provided in Dragon Magazine #76 from August ‘83.

  • @mattstackhouse6292
    @mattstackhouse6292 5 месяцев назад +8

    Great video. The abyss is the most obvious next choice.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад +3

      Okay I've got one vote for Mount Celestia and one vote for the Abyss.

    • @D--FENS
      @D--FENS 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@WadeAllen001This is the only request you'll receive for the Gray Wastes of Hades, so I'll leave it right here.

    • @goblinbxtch7540
      @goblinbxtch7540 2 месяца назад

      @@WadeAllen001 Adding a Mechanus vote into the mix, I actually have the least amount of notes about it lol

  • @jaxongolf
    @jaxongolf Месяц назад +2

    Hey Wade 🙏 I'm back behind the DM's screen working on a 5e homebrew, blending canon with the idea that Garden in Avernus is a planar convergence with a realm of Mount Celestia, and I've been really inspired by your videos. Thank you very much!

  • @caelinnis
    @caelinnis 5 месяцев назад +12

    I will master the hells. I am The Master Baator

    • @jonstewart2233
      @jonstewart2233 4 месяца назад

      Finally, some one bringing proof of the true pronunciation.

  • @GravSh4rk
    @GravSh4rk 5 месяцев назад +9

    Love me a long form lore video. Currently in a plane hopping DnD game so this info is valuable to not let my party TPK

  • @The_butler_did_it1194
    @The_butler_did_it1194 2 месяца назад +6

    First time seeing your channel, I'm only seven minutes in and already subscribed.
    Awesome work! Super stocked to watch more of your dnd stuff.

  • @shaggyzor
    @shaggyzor Месяц назад +2

    Just found this video in recommendation, subbed after hearing yer narration. Looking forward to more lore videos, love it!

  • @jakubus8906
    @jakubus8906 4 месяца назад +6

    Your planescape videos are really good! Can't wait to see some more

  • @lutandomhlalase4416
    @lutandomhlalase4416 4 месяца назад +3

    3:50-4:10 I just can't with you roasting a certain billionaire, I just fell out 😂😂😂

  • @corporeal5980
    @corporeal5980 4 месяца назад +2

    This was a much better overview than most videos i have seen on the planes. I'd definitely watch more even if im not a Forgotten Realms fan.

  • @chuvarova6052
    @chuvarova6052 2 месяца назад +1

    I loved this video so much. The lore, rules, and history are layed out nearly perfectly and concisely. The only thing I wish was talked about more was Malbolge and what happened to Malagard when Glasya took it over. The whole layer is covered in a bloated and fat Malagard's remains after she imploded. Her bones, hair, skin, blood, etc covers the cliffs and Glasya makes her home out of her huge skull. Other inhabitants carve out dwellings from her bones and skin and stuff. Also, a lot of cool art and new 5e lore for all of the Hells was included in Chains of Asmodeus and from the info provided from this video, I assume you aren't aware or chose to omit what was in that book. Not saying that as a bad thing necessarily since this is mostly following 2nd edition by default but I would have really loved the comprehensiveness of the lore of this video to go from 95% to 100%. Either way, superb video!!

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  2 месяца назад +1

      Thanks for the kind words! I've gotten feedback from a few people that I should include more lore from later editions, so I've started doing that.

  • @charliebee5154
    @charliebee5154 5 месяцев назад +3

    Long form D&D lore that is well narrated? Automatic sub! 😁 Thank you.

  • @mosom_
    @mosom_ 4 месяца назад +3

    Thank you for this incredible video, when the episodes on The Abyss and Hades come out I will die happy

  • @JanSobieski3rdSiegeDefiler
    @JanSobieski3rdSiegeDefiler 4 месяца назад +2

    Amazing videos, loved your take on everything. Hoping to see a video on The Abyss soon!

  • @chronochrome7837
    @chronochrome7837 12 дней назад

    God, the absolute irony of the ad break I got going into the Maladomini section. I feel like Baelzabul just tried to strike a bargain.

  • @steved1135
    @steved1135 5 месяцев назад +3

    Nice work Wade. Takes a lot of research and time to put this all together.

  • @neceon4586
    @neceon4586 4 месяца назад +3

    This is such a comprehensive video. Thank you so much!!!

  • @connorb7234
    @connorb7234 5 месяцев назад +1

    Loved your outer planes video, and this one was awesome too 😊 my personal favorite outer realm is elysium!

  • @Klavinoid
    @Klavinoid 5 месяцев назад +3

    Hell yea! Perfect timing. Your videos are becoming my primary source for Planescape information. Heres to many more.

  • @jppitre
    @jppitre 5 месяцев назад +2

    Hell yeah! Running a Planescape game and your videos have been essential

  • @TurboWulfe
    @TurboWulfe 23 дня назад +1

    Lve these long form vids, keep on keeping on 😎🍻🤘

  • @SpectrumHazard
    @SpectrumHazard 5 месяцев назад +3

    Hell yesssss hype
    I love the Planescape/Great Wheel Cosmology vids, so cool to hear all about it

  • @Dndditches
    @Dndditches 3 месяца назад +1

    Love your Planescape videos. As a DM, I’ve recommended your videos to my players so they’d have some idea of the planes and factions before we start playing.
    I would love to use Garden in my game at some point.
    I also like the lore between Bel and Zariel. In my last session, I had Bel hide inside a PC’s body (when they visited Avernus) and revealed himself when the players arrived on Celestia, citing that was the way he could get into Lunia and survive the holy water bath. He got the idea from Zariel, whom infiltrated Baator so Bel decided to infiltrate Celestia.

  • @Toddobvious
    @Toddobvious Месяц назад +1

    Good call on the “bay-eh-tor” solution, I think that’s the best choice. I think all of these pronunciations should be based on which one sounds best

  • @rickywarren567
    @rickywarren567 Месяц назад +1

    Fantastic video bro. Absolutely brilliant sir!👏👏👏

  • @justin.channels
    @justin.channels 5 месяцев назад +1

    55:50 I like your note on pronouncing Malbolge. Think of the sound in the makeup/color rogue (but the thief) 😆
    Great video, really.

  • @brentwalker9576
    @brentwalker9576 4 месяца назад +3

    My reconciliation of viewing other infinite layers (a quirk not unique to Baator) depends on the plane in question, but can be best described as “weather and planet gazing”. To a mortal, the description should feel uncanny, but the natives talk about it the way we talk about meteor showers, eclipses, and constellations. For some layers, the rest appear almost peacefully in the night sky, for others like rifts and tears in reality, and for other like an overlaid optical illusion, or shimmering like the aurora borealis. Embracing the weirdness and treating it as totes ordinary does a lot to let you keep each plane’s phenomenon feel right

  • @ChrisGrahamkedzuel
    @ChrisGrahamkedzuel 4 месяца назад +3

    Love to see your take on Carceri.

  • @cernunnos_lives
    @cernunnos_lives 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great God's Below.... I'm loving this episode. Thanks for your hard work brother.

  • @nathanaelthomas9243
    @nathanaelthomas9243 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for the video! Very well done 👍🏻

  • @blairshort1098
    @blairshort1098 4 месяца назад +1

    Who would voluntarily become a resident of Dis?
    Vogon - "My Identity papers, Visa, letter of introduction and public enquiry findings, in triplicate."

  • @destonlee2838
    @destonlee2838 3 месяца назад +1

    Well done. And I can't give you what doesn't exist. I'll see you in Cania!

  • @truthjustice6454
    @truthjustice6454 2 месяца назад +1

    Entertaining and informative.
    Its important to establish that the Kytin in Memnos are actually not beholden to Mammon, and have their iwn Independent territory.
    Cenobites...

  • @xgoldies
    @xgoldies 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you so much! You are appreciated🙏🏼

  • @jgraham6267
    @jgraham6267 5 месяцев назад +3

    oh hell yeah, love your other two planescape videos

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад +1

      I've got four other ones. I only correct you in case you missed them and would like to watch them. There's the guide to the outer planes, guide to the inner planes, the factions of sigil and their philosophies, and the sects of the outer planes.

    • @jgraham6267
      @jgraham6267 5 месяцев назад

      @@WadeAllen001 I haven’t seen those yet. Sounds sick, will check them out. Thanks!

  • @sayerslayer1854
    @sayerslayer1854 3 месяца назад +1

    Very nice collage and presentation

  • @JosefDerKaiser
    @JosefDerKaiser 26 дней назад +2

    Let's be honest though, the Satanic Panic creating the Tenari allowed for some of the best DnD deep lore with Tharizdun and the Obiryth.

  • @HoobtheNoob
    @HoobtheNoob 3 месяца назад +1

    This is amazing thank you!

  • @Craig_Tucker48
    @Craig_Tucker48 4 месяца назад +1

    Love your videos on the planes. They are the only ones you make that interest me but damn they are good ❤️
    Though I think you mixed up the layer of Malbulge with the plane of Gehenna.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  4 месяца назад

      Thanks!
      Malbolge and Gehenna do have some similarities, but I was taking most of what I said right out of the Planes of Law: Baator book. And many things were changed about Malbolge in later editions of D&D, so that might be contributing to the seeming mixup as well.

  • @hasde_fo
    @hasde_fo 5 месяцев назад +1

    it just amazing piece of work, thank you Wade!
    though...please return my soul...

  • @oguzhanozgenc7843
    @oguzhanozgenc7843 3 месяца назад +1

    Thank you so much! This is amazing

  • @Hugeandhandsomeman
    @Hugeandhandsomeman 4 месяца назад +1

    This was a great video, definitely make some more dnd content!

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  4 месяца назад +1

      Working on it!

    • @Hugeandhandsomeman
      @Hugeandhandsomeman 4 месяца назад

      @@WadeAllen001 I can’t wait for your abyss video!

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  4 месяца назад +1

      @@Hugeandhandsomeman maybe I'll do that after the next one then, but I'm already pretty far into work on Mount Celestia.

    • @Hugeandhandsomeman
      @Hugeandhandsomeman 4 месяца назад

      @@WadeAllen001 understandable, can’t wait if you do end up making it🙏🏻

  • @100iqgaming
    @100iqgaming 3 месяца назад

    i really like the tenar'ri distinction from the oberyth and the other one, in my game baatezu will refer exclusively to petitioners also

  • @AbstractDuality
    @AbstractDuality 4 месяца назад +1

    Subscribed. I want more.

  • @Sirfinchyyy
    @Sirfinchyyy 4 месяца назад +2

    Its worth mentioning that the larvae in 5e are basically currency and barely considered sentient.

  • @Natsirt666
    @Natsirt666 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great vid. Got a new sub.

  • @yellotoaster9368
    @yellotoaster9368 4 месяца назад

    26:30 So here's why I struggle so much to get into D&D lore. Before coming to this video, I just watched another video about the story of Zariel. In there, it said that at the beginning, there was chaos, and then the gods of law formed and fought chaos. So, in the alignment thing, there was only law and chaos as opposites. Also, there were angels, among which Asmodeus was the best fighter. Then Asmodeus and the bois turned evil and signed a contract with the law gods to make him his own plane, Baator, where he could fight chaos and torture the unlawful mortals without the other angels complaining. Then the gods realised they got screwed over by that contract and tuned Asmodeus in a Devil and yeeted his ass into nessus. And this is when Evil and Good appeared on the alignment. The devils were lawful evil, angels lawful good and demons lawful chaotic.
    Now, here you come and tell me about good and bad serpents, Asmodeus being the bad one, and I have to completely throw out the window all I learned in the previous video. It's a total effin mess

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah there's contradicting lore in each edition of D&D (and sometimes even within one edition). Really it's up to the DM to use which one they like best, or to use them all as stories without telling the players outright which one is the real story. The lore you just described sounds more like the lore of 5e as told in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes. The reason I used the twin serpents story is because that's the one given in second edition of D&D that Planescape existed in (up until very recently because they've now published a 5e Planescape campaign setting set).

  • @tripNine1
    @tripNine1 4 месяца назад +2

    Crap. I was half asleep when I signed that apparently

  • @jasonhopper2130
    @jasonhopper2130 5 месяцев назад +2

    Dude. Malagard is her attempt to acheive Godhood swelled up and burst. Malbolge is a fetis wasteland of exploded hag guts. Her fingers became gigantic towers. Her ribs split and became the 2 mountain ranges that encircle the plane. Her skull swelled to enoumous Godlike portions and is the capitol of the plane and the palace where Glasya resides

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад

      Yeah that's some cool lore. Do you think I should include more lore from later editions in these videos?

    • @alvaro701
      @alvaro701 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@WadeAllen001 I think it would be a very interesting sidenote

  • @Nonamearisto
    @Nonamearisto 4 месяца назад

    49:27 Well, that makes Karlach's "this had better be sexy or violent" comment into new persepective.

  • @DerexWolfheart
    @DerexWolfheart День назад

    There are different intensities of infinity so you don't need to worry about the math in that regard. If there are twice as many infinite demons as devils than that just means in a given battle there will likely be twice as many demons compared to devils

  • @Mr.Fox1213
    @Mr.Fox1213 5 месяцев назад

    Man I really want to learn more about Mephistopheles, probably my favorite Archdevil!

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад +1

      He's definitely got the coolest name of all of them.

  • @gabrielrussell5531
    @gabrielrussell5531 4 месяца назад +1

    I feel like you should acknowledge the non-serpent origin Mo has in every edition but 2E.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  4 месяца назад

      Alright. I've gotten a few comments asking me to include more lore from other editions, so I'll be doing that from now on.

  • @helloidharbl6753
    @helloidharbl6753 20 дней назад

    Glad you mentioned that. A LOT of stuff in the DnD texts is written in a way that suggests a non English speaker decided upon the words. And no, I don't consider ye olden tyme Englesh to be English.

  • @user-of2py3gf3i
    @user-of2py3gf3i 4 месяца назад

    I feel like it may have help clarified in the beginning. How they are corrupted soldiers, the whole good vs evil war going into the order vs chaos that actually led to it. But I get that is a rabbit hole.

  • @marselpanov8801
    @marselpanov8801 5 месяцев назад

    combine opposite planes into one video. I think it will flow nicely

  • @swindler1570
    @swindler1570 2 месяца назад +1

    I love your lore content.
    Any chance we could get an underdark video? Or specific cities, like Menzoberranzan?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  2 месяца назад +1

      That's a good idea. I haven't really done any non-Planescape stuff yet like that, but I should try it out. To be honest covering Faerun lore seems a little daunting because there's like 300 books on it. The Outer Planes have comparatively less source material to read through.

    • @swindler1570
      @swindler1570 2 месяца назад

      @WadeAllen001 I totally get that. If you wanted to cover all lore tie-ins, across all source material, for a given topic, that would seem daunting indeed. But, it's probably okay to miss some niche interactions or historical events here or there.
      No pressure, of course - cover what you're comfortable covering. I'm sure you'd do it justice, though; particularly if you chose a narrowed scope to begin with.

  • @PhoenixFlame321
    @PhoenixFlame321 4 месяца назад +2

    30:05 My take on the limbo vs heresy distinction is that:
    Limbo is for souls that were virtuous but never had the opportunity to learn the gospel and enter the holy covenant with Christ. Christianity has this thing called "The Original Sin", a vague idea that a seed of evil lives within us thanks to the first sin committed on The Garden of Eden and that can only be purged through Jesus' sacrifice. Since the orthodox belief is that one can only enter paradise while completely and utterly free of sin, being a genuinely good person isn't enough, you must be a baptized and faithful Christian to enter heaven (A foul, manipulative tactic to force others to join their cult out of fear of damnation)
    Heresy on the other hand is reserved for those that DID learn of the gospel of the holy church, but had the audacity to disagree and have their own opinions. Anyone that believes in anything that deviates from the teachings of the orthodoxy is damned to suffer even more than those chilling up in the first circle. It is a common trait of cults to persecute and condemn those that were once part of it but dared to leave.
    There's also a third even worse level of punishment in Violence, the Seventh Circle. It is divided into three parts and the third part of ring 7 is for the sin of Blasphemy, for those who not only dared turn their back to the gospel, but also spoke out against it and God himself. Critics get to burn in blistering sand and under a constant rain of fire.

  • @Tromador
    @Tromador 5 месяцев назад +1

    Gentleman cutter, I'm really enjoying this series. Brings back fond memories of a Sensate Githzerai I once played. I hope you might be inspired to make a more in depth video about all the planes and attract some subs for your effort. I have certainly shared this playlist with my group.
    If I had one criticism it is your pronunciation of Sigil. I've always said /ˈsɪdʒɪl/ (soft g). I did look this up and the IPA I quote is what Wikipedia thinks is how one pronounces sigil, in context of magical runes. Still it's not the end of the world and I have learned quite a lot from these videos, so feel free to carry on and ignore my griping. 😅

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад +3

      Glad you've been enjoying my videos!
      I pronounce sigil with a soft g when referring to magical runes, as Wikipedia correctly states it should be pronounced. But Sigil the city is not pronounced like sigil the word.

  • @ElPayasoMalo
    @ElPayasoMalo День назад

    I was surprised you didn't mention God Street in Dis.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  День назад

      Probably because I mostly used 2e source material for this video. I've been using later edition lore a lot more in my more recent videos though.

  • @dagonslayer51
    @dagonslayer51 4 месяца назад

    You should check out the DM's Guild book "Chains of Asmodeus". It is a fascinating outlook into the nine hells

  • @thescandinavian8339
    @thescandinavian8339 2 месяца назад +1

    Great vid
    One question.. what is the breakdown for the celestials... Or don't they have a breakdown like fiends?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  2 месяца назад +1

      They do! I've gone over it in my Guide to the Seven Heavens of Mount Celestia video. But basically it's archons = lawful good, guardinals = neutral good, eladrin = chaotic good, aasimon = any good.

  • @Whichendup
    @Whichendup 26 дней назад +1

    I have observed that you often bounce back and forth between editions and make allusions that all the lore is meant to be static, like during the Lord of the First explanation, but in fact there is a timeline of events that you are missing in your explanations. Zariel was the Lord of the First, then Bel got promoted to Lord of the First and Zariel his advisor, later on Bel lost favor with Asmodeus and he reinstalled Zariel as Lord of the First. All of those things happened in the lore. It's not the books or editions being contradictory, rather they happened at different eras.
    Before Zariel, Tiamat ruled the First layer. There's enough conjecture that we can assume even Graz'zt the Demon Lord, was once Lord of the First before he was corrupted by Chaos while on his mission in the Abyss, and after conquering three layers of the Abyss decided to stay to become a Demon Prince rather than go back to the Nine Hells hierarchy.
    In official D&D books it is stated Graz'zt was once an Archduke of Hell. Also stated: Asmodeus tasked Graz'zt with leading an army into the Abyss to retrieve a fragment of the heart of the Abyss, the shard of ultimate evil.
    Archdukes of Avernus typically are the ones who rule over the Dark Eight and the Devil army who fight in the Blood War. It's reasonable to assume that Graz'zt used to be Lord of the First. Probably even before Tiamat ruled the layer. In the lore Tiamat did not care for rulership of Avernus or being part of the Archdukes' plotting and politicking. So she gave up the title as Lord of the First, wanting to focus more of her energy on the Material Plane.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  26 дней назад

      I will definitely grant that I didn't go into later edition stuff very much at all in this video and mostly talked about the Lords of the Nine as they exist in 2nd edition, but the differences in each edition often are (but not always) contradictions that are later smoothed out (or an attempt is made at smoothing them out) and retconned into a cohesive timeline. 4th edition provides lore about Graz'zt originally being a devil that was tasked with re-finding the Shard of Evil for Asmodeus (and 5th edition also mentions Graz'zt previously being an archduke), but 2nd edition and 3rd edition both have it that Graz'zt is the child of Pale Night, born a demon and not a devil. To accept the edition-spanning timeline is to retcon away the contradictions such as these, but I prefer in these cases to just view each edition as its own thing.

  • @joaoluizcamacho2733
    @joaoluizcamacho2733 4 месяца назад

    Pleaseee make one about Thanatos, the layer of Orcus in the abiss

  • @MadAdamStudio
    @MadAdamStudio 4 месяца назад

    Good video. Shame I'll never finish it.

  • @Safier_Poochy
    @Safier_Poochy 5 месяцев назад +1

    The next video should about the cosmology counterpart. The seven heaven of Mount Celestia.
    First the Hell and than the heaven.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад +1

      I was thinking the same thing.

  • @RevocerGM
    @RevocerGM 5 месяцев назад +1

    here's my soul: with thanks

  • @KevinBoosts
    @KevinBoosts 3 месяца назад

    I didn't find any chapters dedicated to the nine hells in the 5e planescape release..? Did I miss something?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  3 месяца назад

      There aren't any. This video is primarily about original Planescape (2e).

    • @KevinBoosts
      @KevinBoosts 3 месяца назад

      @@WadeAllen001 thanks

  • @mrl9418
    @mrl9418 4 месяца назад +1

    Me, a savage: B'Ah-Ah-tor

  • @Luredreier
    @Luredreier 4 месяца назад

    12:26
    My take on this is math.
    Like how a imaginary number can be tied to a physical number through a equation.
    Actually, think of it like Minecraft.
    You take a portal to the nether, go somewhere and then take another portal out and it's much further away.
    Both dimensions might be infinite, but you could argue that they're different sizes even if both are infinite.
    Does that make sense to you guys?

  • @ElPayasoMalo
    @ElPayasoMalo День назад

    Asmodeus doesn't become a god until Fourth Edition said he absorbed the divine essence of Azuth, from what I remember.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  День назад

      The origin story of Asmodeus being the cosmic serpent god Ahriman is from 2e (Guide to Hell). You're right though that according to other lore he wasn't a god until the Spellplague.

    • @ElPayasoMalo
      @ElPayasoMalo День назад

      @@WadeAllen001 I knew about that origin story. There's like three different origin stories from what I remember. Multiple choice past!

  • @pleasedontmakemefamous8301
    @pleasedontmakemefamous8301 5 месяцев назад

    Is there enough lore to do one of these for every outer plane?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah. Perhaps not an hour for every one, but at least half an hour.

  • @Dndditches
    @Dndditches 5 месяцев назад +1

    Upvote for using the name “Baator”

  • @dkhosh7380
    @dkhosh7380 4 месяца назад

    I pronounce baator the same way you'd pronounce baal like from the bible because it sounds right to me and is usually how youd pronounce a double A

  • @SigfridSWE
    @SigfridSWE 3 месяца назад

    Bg3 comment; Raphaels lord/leige is mephistopheles. He says that in one of the endings, where he notes that even his "father mephistopheles...".
    Does that mean that Raphael probably are a Duke/Arch-Devil under his father Mephistopheles?
    Or... is he one of the Damned 8 or... is he a Combion... most people seam to think he is a Cambion... but it doesn't fit in my opinion... ayway.... any thoughts people?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  3 месяца назад

      I figured he was a duke, just not an archduke like Mephistopheles is.

  • @3X3NTR1K
    @3X3NTR1K 2 месяца назад

    Actually ininities can be different sizes! Some are infinitely bigger than others. Several times over.
    Don't think about it too much though. Or at all.

  • @heru7182
    @heru7182 4 месяца назад +2

    The grief I got as a GM pronouncing Drow like Crow, instead of Cow.

  • @kaptenteo
    @kaptenteo 5 месяцев назад +2

    Yay!

  • @SpitBlossoms
    @SpitBlossoms 20 дней назад

    fey wilds next?

  • @rjungquist1978
    @rjungquist1978 5 месяцев назад

    Pay wall? Do you mean product for sale?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад

      Yes, though I don't see a distinction really.

  • @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi
    @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi Месяц назад

    I think the problem with sigil is that the various planes are infinite in size and then there are an infinite number of material planes but sigil and the outlands are basically finite in size

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  Месяц назад +1

      The Outlands is also an infinite plane. It has a finite boundary but the area contained within that boundary is infinite. Basically the distance between any two places in the Outlands is not constant. Distances are also not constant in Sigil and the city does not have a fixed size, but changes according to the Lady of Pain's whims.

    • @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi
      @NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi Месяц назад

      @@WadeAllen001 I see. I had to watch a few more videos. The Plane of Concordant Opposition is its other name. It is deceptive to think about the gate cities at the edges giving it a finite dimension - but no stranger than the other planes. Sigil is a kind of inverse of a prime material plane

  • @ghostoftanelorn9928
    @ghostoftanelorn9928 4 месяца назад

    I just use a longer aah sound, and I also roll the the r on baah-tor̃

  • @Nonamearisto
    @Nonamearisto 4 месяца назад

    37:01 Now we know where Wulbren Bongle will go after death.

  • @Safier_Poochy
    @Safier_Poochy 5 месяцев назад

    Shouldn't "the garden" be moved to another plane?

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад +4

      Maybe. Clearly though it must be lawful evil for it to stay in Baator. Its beatific nature is just a deception to lure people in and consume them.
      Slightly related, 5e has it that Baator used to be a beautiful place, but was corrupted by the devils once Asmodeus took control. And he kept Avernus beautiful so that essentially the whole layer functioned like Garden, as a trap to lure people into the Hells. But then Avernus turned into a barren hellscape due to Zariel's warmongering and invasions of demons in the Blood War.
      Perhaps I should've covered this in the video, but I was trying to focus mainly on original Planescape rather than 5e changes. But maybe for future videos I'll include more 5e stuff.

    • @Safier_Poochy
      @Safier_Poochy 5 месяцев назад +2

      I like that you use mostly 2e Lore.
      I'm currently reading up on Planescape myself, as I find it very interesting and want to make a campaign for it. Your videos help me a lot.

    • @joethepagan3297
      @joethepagan3297 3 месяца назад

      @@WadeAllen001 There is the old joke about Bill Gates making a deal with the Devil so that Windows becomes a success. He asks the Devil for a glimpse of Hell. The Devil takes him to a beautiful location where everyone is enjoying themselves and is happy. Gates signs the contract. Decades later he dies, and finds himself in a lake of fire. He demands to know what happened to the place he was shown. The Devil tells him that what he saw was a Beta version of Hell. What he is in is the release version of Hell.

  • @Pugiron
    @Pugiron 20 дней назад

    The name is derived from the name "Ba'al" first meaning "lord" and latter bastardized into a demon name. Pronounced "Bah-All"

  • @SonySteals
    @SonySteals 3 месяца назад +1

    Bezos roast 👌👌

  • @fleetcenturion
    @fleetcenturion 4 месяца назад

    32:39 - "Archons" are the petitioners of the Heavens. Zariel was an angel (or aasimon, in 2e).

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  4 месяца назад

      Good catch. Though I believe angels are also petitioners, they just get promoted from archons.

    • @fleetcenturion
      @fleetcenturion 4 месяца назад

      @@WadeAllen001 - No. They were there from the beginning, not promoted from petitioners. Such a thing would only be possible, if a petitioner were to reach the uppermost layer of the Heavens, but that is only a theory.

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  4 месяца назад +1

      @@fleetcenturion there's a poster in the planes of law book that shows that trumpet and tome archons get promoted into aasimon if they perform their duties well.

    • @fleetcenturion
      @fleetcenturion 4 месяца назад

      @@WadeAllen001 - Despite it being a borderline splat book, I suppose it's canon then.

  • @shirak8
    @shirak8 Месяц назад

    Will this video make me a Master of Baator?

  • @theprinceofawesomeness
    @theprinceofawesomeness 5 месяцев назад

    2:30 finaly, someone who understands that Evil and Good are only defined as Selfidh and Selfless, being Evil dosen't mean you can't be moral.
    Edit: feel the same about the Law/chaos part but this point is more understod by players

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад +1

      Unfortunately we might not be completely on the same page. Being evil is defined as selfishness yes, which means that evil creatures don't necessary kill people or enjoy killing people, but how could an evil creature still be moral? How can one not care about others and be a good person? (Keeping in mind of course, that the more you don't care about other people the more you don't mind if they get harmed in the process of you getting what you want)

    • @theprinceofawesomeness
      @theprinceofawesomeness 5 месяцев назад

      @@WadeAllen001 i'm thinking of it as that you can practice moral or ethical ideas for selfish reasons. like Pacifism, you might not care about others getting hurt but you might care about getting blood on your own hands and becoming "impure"

  • @Luissera873
    @Luissera873 5 месяцев назад +1

    You should do a video on mechanus

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад +2

      Mechanus is a cool one, and I will definitely do it at some point. Maybe the next video? I don't know. Right now I've got one vote for the Abyss, one vote for Mount Celestia, one vote for The Gray Waste, and now one vote for Mechanus.

  • @jasonrodarte2681
    @jasonrodarte2681 Месяц назад

    Why use Paizo art?

  • @garymorris7472
    @garymorris7472 5 месяцев назад +2

    Just call it Hell, the only thing I hate about 2e is them getting scared and changing the names of Hell and the devils/demons

    • @WadeAllen001
      @WadeAllen001  5 месяцев назад +3

      I agree, though I suppose the reason I call it Baator more often than I call it The Nine Hells is because D&D itself does. They reverted back to devils and demons, but Baator remains what they call it (or The Nine Hells of Baator).

    • @garymorris7472
      @garymorris7472 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@WadeAllen001 I'm subscribed by the way 😉

  • @thedeaderer8791
    @thedeaderer8791 5 месяцев назад +3

    😂 I always laugh when I think back to the Satanic panic. Imagine thinking something is a dark recruiting tool to fiannly bring the anti christ apocalypse and really it's just 5 nerds in a basement eating snacks making d**k jokes and pretending to blow stuff up