Sibling Rivalry! BMW M2 Vs. Lexus ISF | Drag Race & Sound Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2021
- Sibling Rivalry! BMW M2 Vs. Lexus ISF | Drag Race & Sound Comparison #lexusisf #bmwm2 #bootmod3
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ISF all day 🙌🏻 and no pops which is better
Tough to beat an na V8!
Good God the sound that ISF makes
Hey what's up man. Two nice cars. GSF owner here and yeah you definitely need headers and exhaust on any F car to wake things up. They're geared to be highway monsters so you should start reeling in the m2 after the mods. I'm in Texas and would love to do a friendly run with both of your cars. I only have exhaust but planning for headers and tune
That sounds like a good time. My Instagram is Skrrt.garage , we can plan something out
I’m in Houston myself. Down for a run. I have an ‘18 6spd fbo m2. Same color as op’s!
Love ISF. Its my dream car. Working hard to get one next year hopefully.
Right on! It’s a fantastic car
Same here !
I just got one like 3 weeks ago (2010)
But it may be a bit pricey to maintain it properly. (Need to replace bushings and tires and also potentially valley plate leak) it’s amazing though. And makes up for all that shit with raw performance 😁
@@skrrtgarage3922 how much was the mileage of your car when you bought ? Also do u think 2008 with 150k km too high ?
any suggestion from your experience of owning one.
@@rigoarteaga1038 the Lexus isf is cheaper to maintain than my bmw 325i with 2.5l engine was lol, it's literally only gas that's pricey
The M2 definitely looks like it’s having all the fun in the races with that manual transmission haha.
Definitely cannot wait until you get those long tube headers into the ISF. The exhaust note sounds really good and makes me excited to hear it with the LTH 😁
There is equal length and unequal headers. The F doesn’t have test pipes or anything like that
I’m excited too man, I doubt it’ll be as wild as your baby though!
ISF 🥰
I'd like to see IS-F FBO RR Racing Tune and Tuned intake running E30, then run that race back. You are correct for IS-F on roll 40mph or 60mph with 60mph be better against forced induction cars with similar HP. At 60mph the IS-F is closer to that cross over point, that's when hp and gearing play a bigger role. Looking forward to rerun next time with similar mods. Great job👍
Thanks for the comment, I agree. I’m excited to run them back! Good work on your channel too, love to see a solid ISF build
@@skrrtgarage3922 If you need any help or info let me know. I've owned my IS-F since it was new 10yrs now I'm FBO RR Racing Tune and Tuned intake E30blend. I've tried several different suspension setups from swift lower springs with bilstein shocks, Kwv3 coilovers which I'm selling and Airlift3H 30 way adjustable perfomance suspension. Superpro bushings, skikky sway bars, figs engineers suspension components etc. I'm also moderator on Clublexus Forums. We have threads on every subject for reference points, Great source of information. For suspension components I recommend Figs Engineers they have everything your looking for. For Tune and Supercharger RR Racing ask for Rafi super knowledgeable guy was Aerospace Engineer but his passion is cars and Racing he literally is Rocket Scientist lol. A must have for better steering feel as well as reduce inner tire wear is to change Front LCA RR Racing and FigsEngineers both offer LCA for street and solid mounts for Racing.
Thanks for the tips! I’m a member on the club Lexus and I’m slowly trying to go through all the forum threads lol.
So far my plan is to get the car looking good aesthetically with a new wrap (just got that done), wheels and little cosmetic things.
Then do track prep items like bushings, oil cooler and potentially new suspension. Then I’ll start to do power mods. Although I’m most excited about headers and a tune so that may come first 😂.
What has been your best modification that you’ve done? You car sounds incredible
@@skrrtgarage3922 Glad to help OK, so let's go. For power me one of best and biggest power adders are Headers! Whether standard or longtube.The factory Headers are very restrictive you also do away with primarily cats. You get biggest increase in power with adding Headers second catback exhaust also decent increases in power you do away with secondary cats. The combination of two is significant increase in power and glorious sounding exhaust note. Some people opt to run hi flow secondary race cat. Some add for inspections purposes also to help control smell of exhaust fumes while other to help out environment. Adding hi flow cats you may lose between 5hp to 10hp, it's typical on lower side. Intake really don't do much for Adding power unless you use RR Racing tuned intake which increase MAF Housing from 80mm to 87mm as well as 7in K & N velocity stack air filter cone mounted on 3in pipe. So your moving more air that's why MAF Housing was increase to 87mm. If you choose different intake go with Carbon Fiber or Silicone intakes for heat soak issue typically you'll see at best 5hp gains with decent intake desig. RR Racing intake along with headers and catback gains are around 15hp some higher others bit lower when dynoed. With PPE Headers that I got jet hot coated have performed flawlessly no cracks no leaks no issues for 9yrs with JoeZ catback exhaust and RR Racing Tuned intake with that large K&N velocity stack sounds beastly headers and catback growl along with induction sound of RR Racing Intake. Especially at high speeds if you RR Racing Tune with redline increased to 7200rpm vs 6800rpm. There are myriad of well made catbacks available from $1000 to $5000. You'll have to decide for yourself what tone you like, sound and suspension are so subjective.
So for me my fav mod were Headers catbaback exhaust and RR Racing intake. Remember this is N/A car so you don't get huge power gains from Tune. The Tune from my experience gives you increase redline which does work better midrange low-end power. It's how car now applies power much sharper midrange and more immediate low-end.You can see it in dyno graphs. Tune comes I to its own when Supercharging IS-F. Only RR Racing offers Supercharger or forced induction right now. But they are probably best with most R&D time and proven product that works. Stage I, II or III which is stage III 780hp. The 2UR-GSE is similar to 2JZ-GTE in sense both were over built. Both can handle 800hp on stock block. IS-F engine comes with forged crank forged rods Toyota cast piston just like 2JZ-GTE. The IS-F also has titanium lifters, Not a true dry-sump system, but the additional oil scavenge pumps that work in a similar way. There just isn't an additional oil storage tank. If you Supercharger IS-F the kit comes with dry-sump system. Heads were built and designed by Yamaha F1 racing division. So 2UR-GSE it's pretty strong engine just like it grand father 2JZ-GTE. Interesting fact the designer of Toyota Supra and 2JZ-GTE and Lexus IS-F and 2UR-GSE is Yukihiko Yaguchi.
Dude thank you so much for the detailed write up!! I’ll be referencing this in the future. I was trying to decide between PPE or Sikky for headers. Will definitely be using RR racing for the tune. I love that the same guy who did the supra did the ISF, so killer!
BMW I don’t really care too much about because it’s kind of generic and common but that Lexus is something special congrats on getting it I do like the fact that the BMW is a Manual though
How many miles in the ISF? Are you going to do a cost breakdown once you get some mods on it in the future? I was looking to buy an isf bc they’re going up in value
Mine has 119k now. Yes I will, I have a ton of plans for the ISF and I will document everything.
I think you should man, very reliable car and they definitely are going up in value
Ok. M2 is quicker here no doubt but IS F is bone stock. Sound ISF > M2 and comparing relaibilty which you don't even mention is another animal. There are hardly any 400 hp+ reliable cars but IS F is a great example of one. See if you can get 100K trouble-free hard-driven miles in M2... IS F is proven to do 300K without issues whatsoever.
The n55 engine in the bmw m2 is reliable, probably not as reliable as the ISF but far better than bmw’s in the past. I’m excited to get some more mods to the ISF, I love that car!
Omggg I miss my ISF... thinking about getting one again for daily. Beast of a car hands down most reliable 🙌 exhaust and headers will be a boon for the car def
Agreed man, it’s a fantastic daily. I’m pumped for headers!
Great video love the isf is na beast
Thanks! Same, I’m excited to go FBO for the ISF
would you recommend a lim diff fitted on the older osf models if so whats your recommended brands of diffs?
I would love to get one for the ISF. If I keep my car long term than I definitely would get one!!
Very nice review man, I own a 2010 IS-F and recently installed a sc, once you get the IS-F fbo it will be a completely different beast!
Good to hear from you about how quick the direct shift transmission is, top end on the IS-F is awesome, do headers first would be my advice, you'll be making around 420whp fbo
That’s awesome man! I bet the supercharger on top is amazing. How is the reliability/ drivability after adding a SC? Thanks for advice!
@@skrrtgarage3922 supercharger is so quiet, I had someone tell me if I was running NOS🤣🤣 its the rotrex c38r its been good so far, I've had it for a month now and some people have run into issues, I think is part of the race car life, just gotta do it's needed preventive maintenance.
Agreed man, well that’s dope! I envy you
@@skrrtgarage3922 hey it didn't happen overtime! Takes time and some $ you'll get there man!
Overnight*
Hey bro, have you done to replace your oil cooler for M2?? Don’t see any video how to install the CSF race oil cooler. I might get one.
What’s up man? I haven’t installed the oil cooler, but I’m interested. Have you noticed higher temps?
@@skrrtgarage3922 yeah I did notice, when I was driving too long…. Lol.. That’s why I wanna get one, just to be safe. In my opinion, I think it is a great product because it makes ur oil cool all the time.
I had one on my old F80 m3. My M2 has been on track a couple times and I haven’t noticed a change in oil temp but I’m sure this would help.
Good video. FYI though..all the aftermarket headers for the ISF (PPE, Sikky), are all mid-length headers if we're being precise. There is no long tube headers made for the ISF currently
Hope you do go FBO. I rode in my friends ISF when it was stock & made 350whp. To when he added RRacing tune, intake, headers & exhaust and it was a huge difference, especially up top. It made 430whp after those mods
Right on, thanks for comment. I’m excited to modify the power of the Lexus a bit more
American racing headers makes long tube headers for the RCF, and they fit the ISF.
Surprising results, for some reasons I thought the Lexus would win
Yea I think things may change once the ISF get some headers!
was this sport mode and with the traction off as well?
Yes for both cars.
Id say sibling rivalry is a more apt comparison for the ISF and the M3 rather than the M2. The M2 is a smaller car and in a different class. The M3 and the ISF are in the same class so its a better matchup.
That Lexus is gonna sound nasty with some good exhaust. Id get full exhaust and not just the long tubes. Id also recommend the 3.7 gear ratio out of a GS450H. Keep the ISF diff if it has the torsen rear diff and only swap out the ring and pinion for the 3.7. This will significantly improve acceleration across the board over the stock rear gearing. An RR racing or tune by Loi would round out the mods and dial it in nicely.
Nice runs but I’m not sure why I was pulling for the Lexus. Lol 😂
Lol it’s ok I was too
Because the Lexus is a special car
The m2 would have had a bigger gap on an auto but nothing beats the manual tranny
Agreed, the manual is a must for the m2!
Now start modding the ISF full bolt-ons and tune and then race again and see what happens
That’s the plan!
The ISF only needs headers to give the power needed for the W. Unfortunately they are expensive and damn tough to change for us weekend warrior. Lol
@@rmoore4yris I know I have everything minus the headers and supercharger but I did have the secondary cats deleted and also I have the rr Racing tune and the silicone intake and also resonator and muffler delete x-pipe true dual exhaust
@@nathanlopez5667 Did the RR tune make a difference? Wondering how it compares to delicious tuning.
For some reason I can feel the difference more when using the paddle shifters
Oh man! The isf exhaust note needs to be set free. Right now the m2 sounds better. That might change with an exhaust on the the F.
And the m2 has legs! But a very close race. Stock for stock the F has to be faster.
I think you’re right! Will be cool to see how the ISF does with the supporting mods
There not rivals they are totally different cars, the one thing is you see so many bmw,s they don't get a second glance but my 2011 ISF gets a lot of "what is it looks" enjoy both and take it to the track not the road.
I’m getting the ISF track ready, excited to see how it does out there!
M2 looks better, sounds better, and I think will hold it's value and be worth more in the future.
i would like to race an isf with my stock 2020 bmw m340i
even with catback borla it really wakes up the car . it elemenates 2 of the catalytic converters with catback. But you are correct header and catback the ISF is a mighty good machine. ive owned a ISF last 6 years
Yea I’ve heard it does! I’m excited to get these next few mods done to the car
@@skrrtgarage3922 yes another tip when you first put on the exhaust the car will have to learn for about 100 to 200 miles initially car might not feel snappy. drive spirited at this point so the ecu dials in.
That’s a good tip, thank you. Do you know if it’s the same for the headers? I think I may end up doing those first
@@skrrtgarage3922 yes similar, headers will give you CEL immediately if you dont have RR Tune or CEL eliminator
@@skrrtgarage3922 heres a good roundabout for numbers
for gains
catback alone 15 - 20hp
headers alone 25 - 30hp
catback + headers 30 - 40hp
catback + headers + tune 40 - 50hp
intakes are essentially worthless dont waste money changing
I’m just an m2 fanboy didn’t care if it won or lost they look like they’re going 100 mph stood still 🤣
Haha so true, I have some really cool track videos coming for the m2!
@@skrrtgarage3922 not taking mine to track I’m one of those other owners that’s just happy pottering about and keeping it clean 😂 will be watching for the content that’s for sure 👍 how’s the dentistry going you still enjoying it ?
Right on! I’m sure your car looks far better than mine. The field of dentistry is awesome, it’s nice being able to help people and run a small business. Plus I’ll have the toys to keep me busy on the weekends!
@@skrrtgarage3922 that’s awesome congrats 👍,you should do a vid on your practice good free advertisement for you 😂, I got ppf on the front of mine got it polished and got it ceramic coated, got my self some new cleaning equipment too 😂 I have a mini vid up I was that impressed with my new cleaning stuff it was like painting 😂 had a guy with a strimmer hit the arch of my car wasn’t happy at all to pay all that just for a guy to pepper my car with debris but I got it touched up and now you can’t really tell, I didn’t want a re spray it’s only original once in my eyes
That isf will be a beast if you build it and reliable.
That’s the plan, thanks for the comment!
You appear to mix the power/weight numbers calculation up
How so?
@@skrrtgarage3922 you mentioned "Power to weight" but you did "weight to power"
@@skrrtgarage3922though you were correct in the analysis...all good bro
Oh haha my b
If you had DCT you wouldve won so easy
Yea having an auto is great for drag racing!
@@skrrtgarage3922 I like to think of it as a built in sequential 😉
He also mentioned that the car is far from stock a bone stock M2 would not walk away from an ISF
@@Toyota4Life bone stock m2 dusts an ISF what are you talking about
@@Toyota4Life the guy cant shift for his life cmon now
BMW is fast, Lexis is old
Lexus is more reliable and holds value much better
The Lexus does not need to be the “fastest car” on the track. The F is truly something special given the history of it
Wow 2008 vs 2018 SUBHANALAH
Bmw fan boy What do you expect?
Yoooooooooo its FBO+
2:46
I can't.
Yeah that is an extremely large year gap to be comparing these two vehicles