Note: at some point I mention 5 min penalties after leaving a Battleground, seems like this is half an hour now. Still, it's too easy for people to just sit and wait in spawn for battlegrounds to end, so there is more needed to punish inactivity in the Battleground.
@@jmetts I feel your pain. I mostly played ESO for Cyrodiil but it was clear a long time ago that ZOS was never gonna fix the performance issues for real. Remember how their way of "fixing" Cyrodiil was simply lowering the population cap? They obviously don't care.
In fact they didn't add anything. They deleted all the good Battlegrounds and replaced by this new trash that are most probably the worst PVP arenas ever created.
@@crashlag420 Yes, it's good to have new content when it doesn't mean removing all existing content from the same category. What they did was absolutely disgusting and a total disrespect for the players who always supported them.
As someone who jumped onto ESO for those chaotic fun 4v4v4 casual matches, It has killed pvp to wait in 30 minute casual ques and the Ranked mode is just a combination of one shot builds and unkillable tanks. So boring.
I really dislike that the timer for camping is two minutes - it should be 30 seconds/1 minute at most. There have been so many matches were salty players decide that they'll get their own "win" by simply camping and stalling the match for everyone, including the people spectating and getting warnings about being "inactive". So less time for camping and more penalty time for deserting would be nice. Oh, and fixing the Q bug for 4v4 would be nice too.
Thank you for a relaxed, and detailed video. I appreciate and respect your opinion along with others in the comments. My question to all of you though is why don’t you just go into Cyrodiil if you prefer this type of pvp gameplay over the old system? You state in the video you didn’t enjoy or think it was really pvp as it was more focused on the mini games aspect. Most of the BG players I know, myself included, enjoyed the old BG’s BECAUSE of those mini games and didn’t care to join the straight pvp in Cyro. No hate intended, genuinely curious.
Well for starters I do just go into cyrodiil again (if I pvp at all), but one can play both. When the devs release some big pvp update, it is natural that everyone that is into pvp checks it out. Also, most pvp players I know do not like the objectives in bgs.
Nice honestly, my only gripe for 4v4 is that maybe they should have a separate healer que, it would slow down que times by too much possibly but it would provide a more consistent experience. Considering fake queuing as a healer would damn your team to failure 9/10 times lowering your ranking it would be pretty self policing, also if their daily quest proggers it would probably be faster to Que 8v8 anyway
Also it think it would really draw in healers, they get a guaranteed 3 damage dealers/tank bots that want to win and are at this point being forced to play as a group due to the spawn system
Bombers are part of the reason eso pvp is trash. Same with ball groups. Walk forward and press the same 4 AoE buttons over and over... riveting gameplay
@@techt-125 i think many people that play bombers/gankers or in Ball groups do that bc they know they would lose a real 1v1 but it‘s part of the game and we all have to live with that
Since the new BGs came out i never even got to xperience 8v8! Always 1 member short either on my teams or on opposing team.. u w8 5 min just to b returned to pve-land... pffffffff
All I see in bgs is 40k proc Warden healers or ballgroups. But we already knew this prior release. The game PvP is massively flawed currently. The way group play is designed is so bad. No one kills people properly anymore. People don't fight by outskilling their opponents, especially in group play. The days when u would all be on 1vX builds and you would have to actually fight your opponents properly to win. Now you just pull, and 1 shot an in one instant. It's actually such a bad design. Eso now is 100% hp to 0 %hp. Hardly anything in between. To make it even worse, healers are a huge issue in PvP. No one dies, and it makes the game so boring. No wonder people resorted to one shotting
Literally the only reason I use tarnish... If I stay with my group it's just a stalemate because of heals and if I two bar and brawl, I get wrecked by unkillable dps due to heals so the only way I can break through the shields, buffs and heals is to build for 145 crit... Even then it doesn't work sometimes... I miss being able to be effective with just normal sets... I miss my wretched nightmother build so much... And I'm so sick of hearing shattering glass but what else can you do?
Pvp in cyrodiil was a bit better before they nuked Azure blight to the ground. Now ball groups are truly unchecked and can only be defeated by another stronger ball group. Azure blight was the poor man's counter to mega stack heal and buff sharing ball groups. Will be missed.
ZoS: Here it is folks! The long await pvp update! All you did was change battlegrounds from a 3 way fight to a team vs team format and left Cyrodiil completely unchanged..... ZoS: Yeah.... But we also introduced 2 cash shop companions each with a mental disabilities. BIG PVP UPDATE LIKE YOU WANTED ! Cheer and admire us for it ! That is honestly what it feels like..... ZoS expecting us to give them praise for nothing, again.
This new BGs might be ZoS's biggest slap in the face of those who enjoy PVP. 4 v 4 you farm are you be farmed. Either the other teams doesn't even want to jump down to fight or my team members are afraid to jump down and fight. 8 v 8 is really all over the place with 3 healers in every group. The least they can do is make it 3 teams per BG again. Imagine Cyro with only 2 alliances, it wouldn't work either.
I hope this will be good. I think like BGs are the best small group PvP currently unless we are lucky to run into another small group in GH on a rss. Way too many ball groups and IC is very quiet. And ppl leaving for the other new mmos even though imo the combat is kind of lame in those. I think they should fix IC - that’s the best place for real deathmatch on whatever group size we want so they should make an effort to make it rewarding to go there.
I retired ESO and am working an Indie project with my usual playtime. ZOS doesn't listen to prominent PVPers. The game is a PVE game solo, but online together. Was a fun 7-8 years, but I'm pretty much done.
At least if one team is dominating it makes the match shorter overall, giving you more room to queue into a more balanced match. Not to mention Domination 8v8 with a tank is REALLY fun and chaotic. I don't mind the change personally
So the ques are 30 minutes for casual matches and 15 for ranked and the gamemode is not casual or as fun as 4v4v4. The fact they did not leave the 4v4v4 for casual, the only thing that made ESO fun for casual pvp and unique was a completely brain dead decision.
Absolutely terrible new format, battlegrounds are ruined. Gone is any incentive to get better at PvP or working to improve your build, why bother when you get carried by seven other mediocre players. Winning is practically accidental, there's no team coordination or cooperation, no strategy, no individual contribution. Matches only last 5 minutes why bother with a 15 minute clock. 4v4 is a joke, postage stamp map where one team just scrubs the other then you wait it out. Whoever proposed this change should be fired, it is the worst thing theyve done in the two years I've played. Bring back 4v4v4 as an option at least. I for one won't be spending any more money here, when they ruined my favorite part of the game I started looking for a new game to play. Throne and liberty looking pretty good right now.
I'm really not looking forward to these maps and formats... The server already can't handle 12 players so I don't see it handling 16... Maybe it's different on PC... But more than two healers in a bg already causes lag and if someone uses that stupid red tether, it's almost unplayable... I really hope I'm wrong because I almost only log in for bgs because I love them and if it becomes unplayable, so will the game for me...
The bgs dont even work, spent 1hr 30 mins in queue, found 3 bgs. All 3 of them did not fill. Absolute trash of an update. This was after the "hotfix" btw.
@tonicalvofan is one of the cry babies that cried to the devs that the game was too hard and wanted to Be able to compete with players with 10 yrs pvp experience. I'm sure he runs a bomb set or proc set and thinks he's good
@@techt-125 but why there are no players anymore? Nobody does play this game... U killed a few casuals at the day and u be cool with that but its not my peace.
ESO is an embarrasing bugfest that ZOS doesnt care to fix as long as you keep shoveling money at them. You cant even pvp in cyrodiil cause the lag spikes will eat your inputs. This game is barely more than the failure fallout 76 was, and by the same people. Don't waste your money on this horrible game black desert is better
I strongly disagree with your perception of Capture the Relic or Domination not being PvP. They're PvP game modes. If you want to fight people, you have Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and dueling. Battle grounds is the one place where we can have PvP games. Everything doesn't need to be a death match.
Except deathmatch was and is the most popular game mode and zos being zos said no more fun for pvpers and removed the DM queue. I can guarantee you if we have separate queues for each game mode DM would come out on top while the other 3 will be ghost queue.
@jasonchui111 Are you sure it's the most popular? Cyrodiil always had more players in my experience. Plus, I heard they removed the DM option from BG because there were not enough players queuing. I doubt Zos just wanted to be a spoil sport. Maybe they should make all competitive 4v4 matchs Deathmatch, and let the 8v8 have a bunch of game modes.
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Note: at some point I mention 5 min penalties after leaving a Battleground, seems like this is half an hour now. Still, it's too easy for people to just sit and wait in spawn for battlegrounds to end, so there is more needed to punish inactivity in the Battleground.
I almost can't believe they added anything for PVP at all. I'm gonna have to try this out for myself.
The whole pvp community begged for cyrodiil changes so naturally they completey ignored them
@@jmetts I feel your pain. I mostly played ESO for Cyrodiil but it was clear a long time ago that ZOS was never gonna fix the performance issues for real. Remember how their way of "fixing" Cyrodiil was simply lowering the population cap? They obviously don't care.
In fact they didn't add anything. They deleted all the good Battlegrounds and replaced by this new trash that are most probably the worst PVP arenas ever created.
8v8 domination with a tank is really fun and chaotic. Some of the new maps are kinda odd but it's nice to get some new content.
@@crashlag420 Yes, it's good to have new content when it doesn't mean removing all existing content from the same category. What they did was absolutely disgusting and a total disrespect for the players who always supported them.
This is quite literally the death of battlegrounds pvp
As someone who jumped onto ESO for those chaotic fun 4v4v4 casual matches, It has killed pvp to wait in 30 minute casual ques and the Ranked mode is just a combination of one shot builds and unkillable tanks. So boring.
It's pure trash now. Either your team gets spawn camped or your team spawn camps the enemy team.
Designed by complete idiots.
These videos are easy to listen too. Great voice-over and background music. Great Asethics man!
I really dislike that the timer for camping is two minutes - it should be 30 seconds/1 minute at most. There have been so many matches were salty players decide that they'll get their own "win" by simply camping and stalling the match for everyone, including the people spectating and getting warnings about being "inactive".
So less time for camping and more penalty time for deserting would be nice. Oh, and fixing the Q bug for 4v4 would be nice too.
I think this change is for the better, though I have to give it a try for myself.
Thank you for a relaxed, and detailed video. I appreciate and respect your opinion along with others in the comments. My question to all of you though is why don’t you just go into Cyrodiil if you prefer this type of pvp gameplay over the old system? You state in the video you didn’t enjoy or think it was really pvp as it was more focused on the mini games aspect. Most of the BG players I know, myself included, enjoyed the old BG’s BECAUSE of those mini games and didn’t care to join the straight pvp in Cyro. No hate intended, genuinely curious.
Well for starters I do just go into cyrodiil again (if I pvp at all), but one can play both. When the devs release some big pvp update, it is natural that everyone that is into pvp checks it out. Also, most pvp players I know do not like the objectives in bgs.
Nice honestly, my only gripe for 4v4 is that maybe they should have a separate healer que, it would slow down que times by too much possibly but it would provide a more consistent experience. Considering fake queuing as a healer would damn your team to failure 9/10 times lowering your ranking it would be pretty self policing, also if their daily quest proggers it would probably be faster to Que 8v8 anyway
Also it think it would really draw in healers, they get a guaranteed 3 damage dealers/tank bots that want to win and are at this point being forced to play as a group due to the spawn system
8v8 is a bombers dream, my new favorite way to pvp!
Bombers are part of the reason eso pvp is trash.
Same with ball groups.
Walk forward and press the same 4 AoE buttons over and over... riveting gameplay
@@techt-125 you are right with that
@@techt-125 i think many people that play bombers/gankers or in Ball groups do that bc they know they would lose a real 1v1 but it‘s part of the game and we all have to live with that
Some player was going on about the word Meta. Any idea how this relates to battlegrounds?
Question can you q with a 8 man or isn’t limited party size to q ?
Really? Playing a bg in first person. The devs must be trolling
They don’t normally BG
Yeah when one team absolutely steamrolls the other or people don't leave spawn it gets quite boring, hence why I switched to first person to just look
Since the new BGs came out i never even got to xperience 8v8! Always 1 member short either on my teams or on opposing team.. u w8 5 min just to b returned to pve-land...
pffffffff
Is fixed now.
All I see in bgs is 40k proc Warden healers or ballgroups. But we already knew this prior release. The game PvP is massively flawed currently. The way group play is designed is so bad. No one kills people properly anymore. People don't fight by outskilling their opponents, especially in group play. The days when u would all be on 1vX builds and you would have to actually fight your opponents properly to win. Now you just pull, and 1 shot an in one instant. It's actually such a bad design. Eso now is 100% hp to 0 %hp. Hardly anything in between. To make it even worse, healers are a huge issue in PvP. No one dies, and it makes the game so boring. No wonder people resorted to one shotting
Literally the only reason I use tarnish... If I stay with my group it's just a stalemate because of heals and if I two bar and brawl, I get wrecked by unkillable dps due to heals so the only way I can break through the shields, buffs and heals is to build for 145 crit... Even then it doesn't work sometimes... I miss being able to be effective with just normal sets... I miss my wretched nightmother build so much... And I'm so sick of hearing shattering glass but what else can you do?
I left the game after 9 years playing, I am main templar and PvP focused player so you can understand xd
Pvp in cyrodiil was a bit better before they nuked Azure blight to the ground.
Now ball groups are truly unchecked and can only be defeated by another stronger ball group.
Azure blight was the poor man's counter to mega stack heal and buff sharing ball groups. Will be missed.
ZoS: Here it is folks! The long await pvp update!
All you did was change battlegrounds from a 3 way fight to a team vs team format and left Cyrodiil completely unchanged.....
ZoS: Yeah.... But we also introduced 2 cash shop companions each with a mental disabilities. BIG PVP UPDATE LIKE YOU WANTED ! Cheer and admire us for it !
That is honestly what it feels like..... ZoS expecting us to give them praise for nothing, again.
Companions with mental disabilities? I know one of them is an argonian, but you’re being harsh
So is ESO a good game for PVPers? I havent been able to get into a single match in almost a week. Wondering if I should just look elsewhere
FUCK NO. look elsewhere
Can we just GET RID OF HEAL STACKING?! Why can 8 people all stack the same healing over time spell relentlessly.
This new BGs might be ZoS's biggest slap in the face of those who enjoy PVP. 4 v 4 you farm are you be farmed. Either the other teams doesn't even want to jump down to fight or my team members are afraid to jump down and fight. 8 v 8 is really all over the place with 3 healers in every group. The least they can do is make it 3 teams per BG again. Imagine Cyro with only 2 alliances, it wouldn't work either.
I hope this will be good. I think like BGs are the best small group PvP currently unless we are lucky to run into another small group in GH on a rss. Way too many ball groups and IC is very quiet. And ppl leaving for the other new mmos even though imo the combat is kind of lame in those. I think they should fix IC - that’s the best place for real deathmatch on whatever group size we want so they should make an effort to make it rewarding to go there.
Does this mean 3-team capture the relic is gone? I hope so.
It is gone
It was my favourite:/
I retired ESO and am working an Indie project with my usual playtime. ZOS doesn't listen to prominent PVPers. The game is a PVE game solo, but online together. Was a fun 7-8 years, but I'm pretty much done.
Zos working in extremes as usual. One team completely dominates while the other is smashed. Rubbish game
It's better than 4v4v4. From my experience the games are much closer than before. Where one team never make it pass 100 points.
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How is this a zos issue, when is a player skill issue?
Or were you meaning to say maybe a more visible and crafted out mmr to separate players better?
At least if one team is dominating it makes the match shorter overall, giving you more room to queue into a more balanced match. Not to mention Domination 8v8 with a tank is REALLY fun and chaotic. I don't mind the change personally
Nah 4v4v4 is better.
I died in battlegrounds and then the gane kicked me for inactivity but i ran out of lives i used all 3. Devs clearly never think.
I definitely prefer the 2 team format opposed to the 3 team, and I’m hoping eventually we can get queues for groups and solos seperate
So the ques are 30 minutes for casual matches and 15 for ranked and the gamemode is not casual or as fun as 4v4v4. The fact they did not leave the 4v4v4 for casual, the only thing that made ESO fun for casual pvp and unique was a completely brain dead decision.
Absolutely terrible new format, battlegrounds are ruined. Gone is any
incentive to get better at PvP or working to improve your build, why bother when you get carried by seven other mediocre players. Winning is practically accidental, there's no team coordination or cooperation, no strategy, no individual contribution. Matches only last 5 minutes why bother with a 15 minute clock. 4v4 is a joke, postage stamp map where one team just scrubs the other then you wait it out. Whoever proposed this change should be fired, it is the worst thing theyve done in the two years I've played. Bring back 4v4v4 as an option at least. I for one won't be spending any more money here, when they ruined my favorite part of the game I started looking for a new game to play. Throne and liberty looking pretty good right now.
Its just healing online
they are just a zerg fest stand off for the most part I see 4v4v4 making a comeback.
no way
I'm really not looking forward to these maps and formats... The server already can't handle 12 players so I don't see it handling 16... Maybe it's different on PC... But more than two healers in a bg already causes lag and if someone uses that stupid red tether, it's almost unplayable... I really hope I'm wrong because I almost only log in for bgs because I love them and if it becomes unplayable, so will the game for me...
The maps are alot better. Is the only thing they did right. Mmr is still a mystery and hence very one side matches most of the time.
This completely turned me off the game, the worst pvp update ever
The bgs dont even work, spent 1hr 30 mins in queue, found 3 bgs. All 3 of them did not fill. Absolute trash of an update. This was after the "hotfix" btw.
The problem is all the zos crew testing this are bots jus look at the intro clip for BG's 😂
Too late, game is already death.
All OG's left the game.
Okay Bye Bye
@tonicalvofan you to late man, iam already done with the game.
Played it over 10 years lil boy.
Okay Bye Bye
@tonicalvofan is one of the cry babies that cried to the devs that the game was too hard and wanted to Be able to compete with players with 10 yrs pvp experience.
I'm sure he runs a bomb set or proc set and thinks he's good
@@techt-125 but why there are no players anymore? Nobody does play this game... U killed a few casuals at the day and u be cool with that but its not my peace.
ESO is an embarrasing bugfest that ZOS doesnt care to fix as long as you keep shoveling money at them. You cant even pvp in cyrodiil cause the lag spikes will eat your inputs. This game is barely more than the failure fallout 76 was, and by the same people. Don't waste your money on this horrible game black desert is better
man you could improve Cyrodil so much but you do this crap. I bet there is probably no champion points either.
if you need tips for bgs plz dont join i hate daily ppl going 1 and 8 bums
It is a downgrade in my opinion, they made it a worse paladins.
I strongly disagree with your perception of Capture the Relic or Domination not being PvP. They're PvP game modes. If you want to fight people, you have Cyrodiil, Imperial City, and dueling. Battle grounds is the one place where we can have PvP games. Everything doesn't need to be a death match.
Except deathmatch was and is the most popular game mode and zos being zos said no more fun for pvpers and removed the DM queue.
I can guarantee you if we have separate queues for each game mode DM would come out on top while the other 3 will be ghost queue.
@jasonchui111 Are you sure it's the most popular? Cyrodiil always had more players in my experience. Plus, I heard they removed the DM option from BG because there were not enough players queuing. I doubt Zos just wanted to be a spoil sport.
Maybe they should make all competitive 4v4 matchs Deathmatch, and let the 8v8 have a bunch of game modes.