My Software Engineer Salary Progression
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2023
- I firmly believe salary transparency is important. Here's my compensation progression as a software developer, starting as a university teaching assistant to completing internships and getting promotions as a full time software engineer at Facebook / Meta.
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75k signing bonus is quite the amazing feature. Thanks for sharing the journey this far.
Over here this is a high salary for a complete year wtf
Interesting, thanks for sharing 👍
30% goes to uncle sam
@@jayainba3152should
nice! you started your career in the perfect moment and made the best out of it. congrats
if I had 200K in my bank account here in Syria, I could retire at the age of 20, buy a house, and live like a king for the rest of my life. :)
Keep your head up habibi. don’t stop hustling. - local syrian
Hope you guys are doing good there, sorry we fucked your country up.
@@NotThatSociallythe us didn't start a civil war. But we could have ended it
for real?
Hope ur living well man
75,000 signing bonus. That’s incredible.
As in "not credible"? ;)
How do you go from 16 an hour to nearly $9,000 a month as an INTERN!?!?!
Bro i noticed that the way you sell yourself is really important in this field. I thought that skills and degrees were enough, couldn't be more wrong.
I am doing a MASTER'S DEGREE anf didn't find an internship
@@Uid767 Yeah, which is also why this dude in the video is probably just lying for content/clout. I can put numbers on a doc file and say that in 2020 I got knighted by the queen of England. So what? It ain't making it true :P
@@user-lm6me2tz9tor some people have different experiences and outcomes than you, you have this experience doesn’t mean everyone has the same experience or outcome.
@@user-lm6me2tz9t or some people have different experiences and outcomes than you, you have this experience doesn’t mean everyone has the same experience or outcome.
9000 a month is also 9000/20/8 roughly 50 dollars per hour. Pretty sweet
Bro, you ran that sh!t up, I love to see testimonies like this 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Meanwhile in Germany a certified It-specialist with two years of experience makes about 2000$ a month
we thought it was at least $6000
Woah
Can’t they look for jobs is USA?
A good friend of mine went through all that schooling to get his computer science degree, only to become a pharmacist several years later. Probably very stressful work atmosphere despite the pay. But yeah my friend doing very well as a pharmacist at Walgreens possibly semi-retired by now.
That signing bonus is nice
Getting hired by FB is literally one on a million
Obviously not everyone will get hired by FB, but I wouldn’t call it one in a million, at least not in the US. If you get a CS or related degree, practice for coding interviews, and are willing to live in US tech hubs, the chance is decent. And the chances get a lot higher once you get a few years of experience elsewhere.
That said, it is still hard, but there is a relatively clear path. It’s not some random lottery. The difficulty is probability similar to that of getting into a top university. It is hard, but not impossible.
@@ConnerArdman how would they look on people who have developed single-handedly SaaS businesses? I have a cs degree, software engineer degree but not commercial experience but if they saw my repos for the SaaS they’d see it’s like an actual company because of my SE degree (worked on enterprise projects in a team, our leader was an intern at a bank so taught us all their best practices)
@@ConnerArdmanwhat if not CS degree 😢. Wasn’t accepted this year for university. Start to lose hope
@@yesyes9698 people have said that you don't really need a degree. You will likely need prior experience, getting into a FAANG company as your first job with no degree would be really difficult, not because you don't have a degree, but because they might not even give you an interview. Get some experience, then apply to higher paying jobs. Coding is learnable without college or a bootcamp, but you'll need determination and discipline, it will be hard no matter which route you take. Just don't let that discourage you if this is really what you want to do.
@@yesyes9698find a different school. There are physical limitations for every school. Don't wait on them
$8000 a month as an intern? That’s literally more than a lot of FT senior positions in developed countries. Even as a dev with 8 years’ experience you would struggle to earn that in Europe or Japan
That signing bonus would be amazing, im comfortable with country i live in, but i just wish signing bonuses would be a thing here
lol, you made more than twice as much as an Intern as I do as a senior software developer with 10 years experience
adjust for cost of living dude
In Europe for context the total compensation is around 25% of this (compared to your FB compensation), the largest reason is that we typically don't have signing, relocation, or stock compensation at all. The base pay is 40-50% of your FB one. We pay less for housing and health insurance, however.
@@coreyh9794 yes definitely, I don't pay for any health insurance but my rent is ~$800 in a non-capital city. Typically the rent is much higher in the US cities where these tech companies are based though right?
Also I don't know if this is relevant but I've heard things like this: "The average monthly premium for a Bronze ACA health insurance plan is $928 [per month]"
This is why people move to America. They will gladly take high pay and deal with the cost of living. Even a if you half his total earnings at Facebook, it’s probably worth it for most people.
@Corey H no we make way less and we might or might not pay less depending on what state you are comparing in Hungary we definitely making way less and paying way more most Hungarians now are leaving to Norway or Germany
Now I loved form hungry to Belgium and yeah it’s nicer but still places like Nevada or denvor with 0 tax are interested AF for me and base salary is higher than anything in EU
US in the long run definitely better than EU
But EU is way better for a start we don’t have expensive Uni ( we get paid to study) and life expenses are much cheaper
Taxes become unbearable high (makes sense cuz how the system work .. health and education )
I would say start EU go thru US then retire in EU or Somewere in Asia
These numbers are also bullshit. No intern makes 8k lmfao. Dude j
ust shillin to get thirsters to get his "money making tips"
@@Ryan-cb1ei yes, until you get sick or have a baby, or are handicapped
congrats for all the accomplishments bro🔥
How come software engineer salaries in Australia are so pathetic?! Total compensation is maximum 180k AUD per year (for a tech lead). And house prices and life expenses are the same as in California US 😢😢
If I had to guess, the majority of the difference is just supply and demand. Most of the world's largest tech companies are in the US. There's also more VC funding for tech companies than anywhere else. Both of these create highly capitalized companies who need to hire a ton of software engineers, thus driving prices upward.
There's also some other factors at play. For example, the cost of education to actually become qualified for the job is extremely high here, driving supply down (admittedly I don't know much about the Australian university system, but it is not unusual to spend $200k+ for a bachelors degree here). There are cheaper options, but the vast majority of the highest paid software engineers have degrees from "target" schools, which tend to also be the most expensive schools.
There's also differences between countries around things like the tax system, average working hours, vacation days, parental leave, healthcare, etc. that can have pretty substantial impacts on pay, but I honestly don't know enough about Australia specifically to know if that's the case here.
Yep.. and with the amount of taxes we pay, stocking shelves at Coles looks attractive some days.
I can live comfortably for 20 years with what you got from FB in south africa
Nice! Also just wanted to add that you sound like Michael Cera
And how much are you making now selling courses?
Great job!!!
Jesus, I live in the south. $8000 a month is insane! I’m trying to get in IT now but I need a internship 😅
Yeah but every house there is a million dollars and taxes are outrageous.
@@FighteroftheNightman yep. A house that’s $500k in cali is a mansion in the south
I have a compusci degree, and don't even use it. Web design is a dead industry amd getting hired at FB is one in a million literally
Who really needs a house tho especially if it’s just you
@@jakesnacks1149bruh there’s more things you can do other than web design with a computer science degree lol.
I just got my first job at 65,000 lol, market average in my area is 100-150
Good luck brother ❤
great hope you are making way more now
What’s wrong with $200,000 😢
@@oSpam You can't even buy a home with $200k these days
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur Are you serious? Unless you are living in Manhattan, this is utter BS. You can buy a very nice home with a $200K salary. You must be horrible with money then
@@jettonjets1557 Oh you must live in a small run down town. Goodluck trying to buy a home with $200k in a city.
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur I live in a big city. How much of a home are you talking because most people in the US don’t make anywhere near $200K and are able to buy homes.
75k signing bonus? Are signing bonuses really more than half of your yearly base salary?
The fact that a space engineer (real engineers) with 10 years experience gets about 120k and software engineers gets a starting base salary of 110k is causing the market to be overly saturated and causing these layoffs
Market is adjusting soon, at least in the US due to tax changes (the developer tax), so there may be some big changes coming soon
All engineers are (real engineers), get off your high horse lmao
@@jacemenezes6155 In that case, I'm a real doctor because I study medicines and self prescribe homeopathic options.
Oh an let's ignore the fact that I did not go to an accredited institution to get an accredited degree while proving my understanding through tests that not only tests my abilities but also tests my ethical practices in the field.
It's not about your work bro
It's about business
Tech businesses make shit ton of money and their biggest asset are engineers so they pay them a lot.
Space engineers, very few companies, tight budget and spend billions on projects excluding engineer salaries.
Bro I’m here trying to get my first job with an internship under my belt and a full b.s degree I got REJECT to an INTERNSHIP 2 weeks ago. Bro I have more experience than some ppl where they told me they had nothing after graduation and got hired 3 months later
And by 2024 it all starts crumbling
Well done bro
$15/hr in India, you're RICH
Damn fr?
yap for real in most south asian and sout east asian country you mostly just paid aroud $7 / day for most workers, softenginer get much higher but i think on avarage just $30/day maybe you can get $60 or even $100 if you are work as senior in very bonafide company @@nawfsideplay
@@nawfsideplaynot from India but as a South Asian I can confirm
Even in Zambia
In here you'll get $2.4/hr for farm labour , painting etc. And $1.2/hr for shopkeeper/ cashier etc.
I would already be happy getting 16$ than not getting any
Sad part is his 2019 Lyft payout was my starting right after my degree 2 years ago. Now it’s tripled due to experience and of course asked raises.
so ur making $180/h ?
Where could I find those internships. Im trying to improve my life and apparently I suck at it. I know the basics of python and C++ and years of experience using GDScript(similar to python)
My 2 dreams is soft wear engineer and mechanical engineer and well soft wear engineering seem sad so ya I guess I’ll be an mechanical engineer
Appreciate this thank you!
great job! can only dream of these numbers but on a side note damn you got some haters for no reason LOL keep doing you man
Thanks! And lol, I kind of expect it for this type of video. 99% of my comments on my primary content is all positive though 😀
@@ConnerArdmancongratulations on your achievements!!! 🙌Now let me ask you a question and be honest, is it too late to start a career as a web developer at 45 year old age and be marketable after completing it? 🤔I appreciate any insights.
Pretty good for someone who can’t even accurately say the number to match what salary was displayed 👏🏼
What does $250,000 buy you in America? A typical starting salary for a software engineer in the UK was probably about £35,000 in 2019. In USD, that's not even $50,000 but you could buy a house and have a nice car for that here.
Who cares?
It varies vastly based on where in America you live. Where I live in Seattle, you probably aren't buying a house on that salary, at least not in the first few years.The median home price here is about $800k. That said, you can obviously still live incredibly comfortably. Most of the software engineers I know in Seattle live in luxury apartments, drive nice cars, go on frequent vacations, etc. You would have to try really hard (or have some huge life expense) to not save a significant portion of that income.
It depends on what you desire and, of course, timing. I was making 165k in 2020, but mortgage interest rates were at an all time low. I locked in a 2.5. Instead of buying something at $800k, I looked for something smaller as my first home and purchased at $600k, it’s now worth between $800k - 850k. Buying lower gave me a smaller mortgage and larger margin equity. Nearly 5 years later, putting $120k down gaining $200k in equity and another $100k in payment equity, when I sale I’m looking at making about $350-$400k. My salary has surpassed $200k/yr and I’ll have an amazing down payment. So, if I want to buy that million dollar home, I can do it. Before that, I worked my ass off for nearly a decade to afford a $120k down payment, so my net worth has increased drastically just from owning my home and working hard. So, you also have to consider how much you have for a down payment, interest rates, and timing. Now, I’m on a waiting game and I’m just waiting for dates to drop. I won’t even sell my home, I’m keeping it and using my cash to buy another while I rent my first home out. I’ll do that until I die and pass whatever i own to my son.
I am a psychology major trying to see other opportunities that I will like. I’m not the biggest fan of staring at a computer so idk 😢 but I love math and I feel like coding would be doable for me but please what are the other job opportunities you mentioned
8k a month as an intern is absolute insanity
I’m about to get into Tech bro, I’m jointing course careers bootcamp. Decided to go to with software developer, would love some words of advice
That's seems like a really high total comp for a new grad
Sheesh... I need to follow these footsteps 😂
Nice!
Bro you progressed all the way to the BAG. Good work bro
i need advice, I dont know if i should take an apprenecship or go university
Ur bonus is 75k$ while 22k$ is YEARLY SALARY here while everything is just as expensive if not more than USA except for rent
Still a lot can’t afford rent tho
I was surprised at how much you made as a Lyft intern!! I never thought about internships at Lyft. What did you in your time interning at Lyft?
Yeah pretty much every tech company has an intern program. Many of the "unicorn" companies tend to be the highest paying outside of finance, likely because they need to pay more to compete with FAANG for top talent.
I worked on an internal tool/testing framework they had developed to help make things more consistent across their microservices. Not the most "glamorous" project, but it was fairly interesting technically.
Bro made all the haters silent
Damn $15/hr is already 10x - 11x the minimum salary in indonesia (assuming 8 hrs and 20 working days a month)
wut, thats mcdonalds salary
@ConnerArdma what are the subjects required to be a software engineer
Bro as an intern you made as much as I do as an engineer for 8 years
I think we should learn about salary in HS. People dont know about living stipends and stock payments like that. Congrats bro, Im on my way. I graduate in May and can hopefully land a job ir internship. But I absolutely love that your intern payment was $8000 monthly omg. Insane. What State?
Yeah it’s pretty common in high earning fields for huge portions of compensation to be stock and other non-cash benefits. Definitely falls in the realm of things you’d expect to be taught about but never are.
And this is all in Seattle Washington. At least in tech, these numbers basically only exist in Seattle, NYC, and the San Francisco Bay Area.
This is absolute perfection. I recently read a similar book, and it was absolute perfection. "Mastering AWS: A Software Engineers Guide" by Nathan Vale
For those wondering, this is not normal for a software engineer :D
Wow 75k sign on bonus 🤯
In 2018 you could find $100k internships
In 2024 you could find $50k entry level
The market didn’t just plummet, it’s emaciated.
what about current market for freshers 🤔
Now: $5 an hour.
🔥❤👌🏻
Why would you quit 250K job at Facebook?
May god save you from being caught an evil eye well done brother
Why are sp many software engineers losing their jobs?
What college did you go to? Do you think it affected the jobs you were able to get?
The University of Washington, and absolutely it did. Going to a “target” school, makes it a lot easier. That’s not to say it would have been impossible to have the same results otherwise, but it would have been harder.
What degree did you get? Computer science?
Well, put a feather in your cap
im a html css and js 15 yo programmer and i want to get a job in the future without a Certificate , Can you help Me ?
I’m currently teaching myself to code, from what I’ve seen online the best way to obtain a job without a degree is by creating worthwhile projects that show off your skills
Why would you leave????
can i be a front end engineer and do these jobs remotely?
Why would you leave
Let me ask you this tho man or any1 for that matter with exp.. If you were me trying to slide into the tech world right now which route when you head toward..? I’m looking for freedom and 💰 and I’d go to the extreme for it. I just need help
Bruh thats such an American IT moment omg. 8000/month is more than SWE 2 get in Europe, and probably higher positions too, depending on the company
"Depending on the company" is key here. The pay is less, but when you control for companies it's not that dramatic. Facebook specifically, since that's where I worked, will pay in the range of 150k-220k for SWE 2 jobs in Europe depending on the country/role. Likewise, if you look outside of big tech companies in the US, pay is substantially lower.
Oh, but in Europe we bring regulation. 🙄
Why did you left?
starting from no experience here. would u recommend bootcamps, online classes, and IT related jobs to get started? or bachelors degree? im currently 20 years old finally finding something i actually want to learn and pursue. any advise would help from anyone thank u!
It’s not a one-size fits all answer. There’s no way anyone can really answer that but you. The commitment (time, money, etc) of a bachelors degree is far different from that of a bootcamp which is far different from that of online classes. And ultimately what is best for you just depends on your personal situation and goals.
Generally speaking though, a bachelors in CS will be the easiest way to get a development job, but it will also be the most expensive and time consuming.
A bootcamp will make it a lot harder to get a job, but it’ll also take a quarter of the time and money. It’s definitely less common, but I’ve met a few highly successful bootcamp grads. Just be wary that there are some very bad ones, do your research if you go that route. Bootcamps can also be limiting in terms of the job options compared to traditional degrees (i.e. the vast majority just focus on frontend, but if you’re into that then it’s obviously not an issue).
Self teaching online is great if you just want to learn the skill, but honestly it’s an uphill battle. I’d only really recommend that if its more for learning than a career, if its a supplement to college/bootcamp, or if other options are financially or otherwise infeasible. It just makes getting that first job waaaay harder without the credential on the resume. That said, it can also be a great place to start before committing to a bootcamp or degree program.
Pls can you teach me I want to learn software engineer
Man you Americans are living a different life
Here in Italy I know ppl with 15 y of experience earning 1600€ per month ... U deserve it of course, but life is bit unfair 😅😅
Why quit?
You sound like Michael Shara or whatever his name ks
In 2022 I got layoff with other 12000 people
Yeah well 80% of those people fired in the tech industry had new jobs within a month that paid just as well, that is a fact. Yes, there are shifts in hiring and employment in tech among individual companies but the industry is still strong as ever. Sorry to hear you were fired but I’m sure you’ll be okay since you have a CS degree, RIGHT??
@@Jgleason23hello, may i know which degree is better; software enginnering degree or computer science degree?
I will be graduating in a year with an aerospace eng degree. How can I get this type of money
Fly
How were you an intern if your pay was $8,000?
Software engineering interns at "top" tech companies are paid extremely well. It's mostly just a recruiting tactic to help them get talent from target universities, but they're also not interns in the way you might be thinking about it. Interns at these companies are not getting people coffee, they're writing real production code, similar to a new junior software engineer.
I can be wrong but I think Facebook now Meta it's #1 when comes to salary
Depends on what companies you include and for what level. They’re usually up there, but there’s some smaller companies that pay a bit better in some circumstances. Also a lot hedge funds / trading firms pay absurd amounts.
Can you be a great software engineer if you suck at math? Like struggle with pre calculus ?
Definitely
Can you add the work hour also pls
I've talked about this in a lot of videos. Most of the time I worked around 30 hours per week, with rare exceptions. That said, work life balance is very team, company, and individual dependent.
im programming the wrong shit :(
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My software engineering journey:
Volunteer software engineer
American Red Cross
Salary: free
Software Engineer intern
Startup
Salary: free
AWS Engineer intern
Consulting firm
Salary: 10/hour
Front-end engineer
Current company - less than 2 years
Starting salary: 60k
Current Salary: 72k
Hello, is being a software engineer hard? Can you have good work life balance? Please tell me about your experience.
Obviously it differs by area, but this is a much more realistic salary expectation for anyone watching. FAANG salaries are incredibly unrealistic and are super inflated due to how much money those companies can waste.
Good for this guy in the video who has a FAANG job but, imo, not worth it. It’s too competitive and you are so easily replaceable.
I got my CS degree last year and right now I’m at $75k in the Philly area. Same type of job (not FAANG, but still in tech) in NYC for example would probably be about $120k cause of the cost of living.
Comfortable salary and zero stress, working in a company where I’m actually making a difference. So good!
@@cowslawwhat did you do outside of getting your degree before landing that job? currently a IT junior in college (might switch to cs last minute) trying to land an internship and having a difficult time getting a call back without any relevant experience
@@starskull8587 Personal projects are a big help. Personally, I just tried to stay relevant by keeping in touch with newer tech. Going into an internship, not much is expected experience-wise, but if you can demonstrate that you have the drive to learn new things, I'd say you have a great chance.
Even on my resume, I have "Ready and willing to learn anything" because *I* think it's the most important thing. I'm looking to switch things up in a few months (move to another location and get a beefier job), and so right now I'm just working on some fun side projects that showcase my skills in the technologies I wish to work with professionally.
Regarding languages, just get more and more used to the popular stuff first (js/ts or python), because those are more likely to be used. Then you can try out some of the languages rising in popularity (go, rust, etc.). But focus on one or two things at most, so you can prove that you are able to continue improve your skills in one area/ecosystem.
But again, looking for an internship, it's hard to say what you might be working with. My internship was pretty basic, for a very small company, and wasn't anything too complicated. There are also internships at huge tech companies with much more wholesome and mature ecosystems.
I'm kinda rambling at this point, but it's hard to give one piece of advice to get your foot through the door, cause it's different at every company. Just keep at it and always think of where you want to be and what you want to do. That way, when you begin to get tired of where you're currently at or just start to feel stagnant (my situation right now), you'll know the next step you should take. But for now, focus on proving why you'd be a good intern by proving your drive. Good luck!!
@@cowslawsame question lol
i'm going to school for this now. this is good motivation thanks bro
IT is dead for juniors, don't even try.
@@vnm_8945IT is never dead and will never die
@@vnm_8945 what ? wdf are you talking about to i look like a junior to you ? i can't do what i want. you can't do it is not my problem
@@outforthecount7027 gl
"I identify as a senior developer"🤡☝️@@outforthecount7027
Would you need a bachelors or just associate for a path like this
I have a bachelors degree, although I wouldn’t say you 100% need one.
So i imagine most of your stock didnt vest. Therefore, your total realized compensation was arguably much lower.
The total compensation target showed in the video only counts the stock that actually vested (i.e. the stock grant was $160k but since it was only one year, only $40k vested).
After the promotion, I didn’t make much of that money (salary or stock), because I quit almost immediately after the promotion. But the amount shown as the total comp after promo is just counting how much would have vested in that next year.
In reality the pay was actually higher than this video showed, because my bonuses were above the target level, and the stock appreciated a ton 📈
How much was the rent where you were working?
I live in Seattle. You can get rent as low as $1500 or so in a decent spot, maybe lower if you have roommates. Mine’s usually been in the $2k-$3k range though, which is probably more typical for software engineers in the city.
Also during college when I was a TA my rent ranged from like $750-$1200 most of that time, because I lived in cheap university housing with roommates.
I chose Business Information Technology instead of CS, what can I expect?
That's impossible for me to answer. Your degree is just one of many factors that ultimately influence earning potential (i.e. it also depends on location, type of job pursued, other experience, interview skill, resume, work ethic, connections, risk tolerance, technical skills, non-technical skills, etc.).
Edit: Also FWIW my degree is not in computer science, it's in informatics. I just also took a lot of CS classes and was a CS teaching assistant.
This ain’t gonna age well😂
I have to work 5 years for your bonues without spending 😭
Do you need a degree to do this?
Whats your degree qualification and which university you have been studied and the hell did you get intern in Meta?😢
I have a degree in Informatics from the University of Washington. Also took a ton of CS classes there as well.
Sure you did..
This guy got hired cause he has zuckerbergs mannerisms. Haha😂
Looks like him too
Buddy so t mention how he got taxed 40%
No state income tax in Washington. Taxes were probably around 25-30%.
Hope you held onto that meta stock
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