I owned a DRZ 400 SM in the past and fell in love with SM because of it. Back in the market, I REALLY wanted the KTM 690, but for the same price I got (two) KLXs instead. KLX 300 dual sport for trails and gravel, and a KLX 300 SM for street. Wheelies are not really there without modding sprockets and long tours are not really there either. Otherwise, lots of fun with either KLX or both. Inexpensive, reliable, and long maintenance intervals.
drz rider here. Also respect to the xr650l, since theres a guy I do races and trackdays with who rides one. Our bikes sound way different from all the ktms and huskys out there :D
I am an old school enduro rider probably like your dad. I purchased a new 23 klx300sm and absolutely love the looks and ride of this little single. My softail Deluxe is parked in the garage only to be out with my wife on the back. Nice video and thumbs up for your dad pulling those wheelies.
I have a DRZ400SM with a full Yoshi system and Keihin carb. I love it! I came from 1000cc sports bikes and bikes like the KTM690's etc are appealing but I'm getting older now and don't want to get in any more trouble. By the way, love the Squatch sticker on your dad's bike. We have some massive Yowies here in Australia.
For informative purposes on the 450L, a stage 1 kit = ecu & exhaust, makes it roughly 47hp. Stage 2 kit = upgraded cam and valve springs, makes it around 58ish hp. The stage two kit really opens up the bike, maybe too much. On the dirt I can say it's probably a bit much, but supermoto would make sense. Either way it's a great bike. Anyone reading this don't listen to the haters about the bike. You DO have to throw some money into it, depending what time of riding you do, but the best part of the bike is the versatility and that's why I will never get rid of mine.
owned a husky 701 enduro for a couple years and really only ever road it on road. most fun on a bike ive ever had, super easy to wheelie. hope to try the supermoto with the lower suspension someday!
Thanks for the honesty on the 450L . So refreshing to hear someone say that a bike is maintenance heavy. Usually they say this bike is bullet proof or reliable. But it is a race bike and revs to the moon. And will need a new piston every 2 years
690 SM no question. I had a WR250X - nice bike but slow as hell. I had a DRZ400SM - also a very nice bike but also slow. I had a couple of 690s. The first one, a 2019, had an oil leak problem at the shift shaft and was prone to false neutrals. A couple years later I got another, I believe a 2021, and it was faultless. The amount of power these bikes make with a street legal single cylinder is incredible. Outstanding chassis too. I rode one at a track day on a road course (big track) and it had no problem holding its own against sport bikes in the Intermediate group.
Heck yah! Speed triple is sweet bike too! You wont be disappointed when you get the supermoto to the tail! It’s a weapon down there 😎. They are resurfacing the tail this year so hopefully they will get it fixed early spring and not take all summer! 🤞🏼 thanks for watching my friend 🤘🏼
Dr650 sm > xr650l sm I'm sorry, the dr650 has a bigger tank, softer suspension, better gearing for speed, and is generally more reliable (the xr has a few things that hamper it's reliability) not to mention a larger oil capacity which is much better for long rides so you don't burn the oil
All very nice, of course as they go up in paygrade nicer. Thanks for this breakdown as I’m just breaking back into riding after being sole provider to my kids. Hope they want to ride with me like you and your pops, very cool!🤙 I will start with most affordable so looking at DRZ 400 SM. Im 5’4” 105 lbs so not sure about fit but there’s always aftermarket lowering options so looking forward to it 😃
Right on! Will more than likely need a lower link but being lighter the drz will scoot with you on it! Im Very lucky to have my dad as a riding comrade! Thanks for watching and ride safe! 🤘🏼😎 sumos for the win!
I’ve had an 00 Xr650r sumo for 8 years and 20k miles it’s been great bike. Loads of power after the mods and nice range with the safari tank. But parts are not cheap and they are getting more expensive. So I am in the process of building a heavily modded dr650 sumo that will be set up to tour on as well. We will see how the DR650 takes to being a sumo.
Right on! The xr650r is sweet! Water cooled😎. Half the fun is building and customizing the sumo to be ur own! New build sounds cool too. Thanks for watching!🤘🏼
@@Floatsorrolls1 thanks for posting the vids. You are right getting all the parts together and built is half the fun. Also it helps you get familiar with a bike. Racetech carts and shock going on this weekend as well as wheels, tires, brembo big brake kit with 4 pot caliper in front. It's coming along well. Next weekend I fit the new tank, new fmf exhaust amd tune the new TM40 carb. Last weekend I did the 790 bigbore kit on the old Dr. Ive probably got a month before I'm ready to hit the streets with it yet. But it will be a beast of a bush pig.
Just had my first ride on my 2:25 2004 Yamaha xt 660x , it was my winter project bike, also own a 2012 honda fireblade , think I've got the supermoto bug as I absolutely loved it, what a great fun little bike, thinking of swapping the fireblade for a KTM 690smr
Right on! Supermotos are the bomb! The ktm690smr would be sickk! All the fun of having power but less the risk of excessive speed for the fun to be had! Thanks for watching! 😎🤘🏼and ride safe
I've had a KLX300SM and currently have an SMCR. My use case is commuter/urban play bike. The KLX is very solid and probably a better choice for how I ride. I'm sure it would be very economical to operate over the longer term. The SMCR is scary fun. You have to exercise discipline to avoid trouble with the authorities. The engine is very grumpy when cold. I was watching a video of a guy who had put 100,000 km on an SMCR. He had needed to do periodic top end work such as rocker arms. I've accepted the reality that operating costs for the KTM will be higher than most of the alternatives and I plan on doing the maintenance myself. I think it will be worth it.
Good video was thinking about getting a SM to slow down from crazy sports bike speeds but having good handling and punchy acceleration. Not sure my problem is that KTM, Husky’s and Ducatis have doubtful reliability. Also big single cylinder engines don’t like continual excessive revs which could cause issues or mechanical failure.
Currently own a 15 DRZ...one of, if not my favorite bike Ive ever owned and Ive own over 14 bikes so far...mainly super sports though. But once I tried the sumo goodness, never went back.
Although less maintenance than a KTM, an old KTM rfs engine 2003-2007 are pretty much bulletproof, I'd take a exc 450 or 525 exc over a drz any day, my brother had a drz 400, they're heavy and lacking power. A 525 is much more fun for supermoto. I have a 2004 450 exc with close to 500 engine hours I only changed the top end at 250 for peace of mind with a hi comp piston, no problems with the bike whatsoever in 500 hours. Also have a 2006 525 exc in supermoto trim also no problems at all. Great bikes!
@@gixxer7907 don't get me wrong, there are definitely better sumo options, the DRZ with its price and reliability has just worked for me...that and I haven't tried other sumos lol. One day I want to build an 08 crf 450 sumo, i keep hearing nothing but greatness about those. I bought into the KTM unreliability, but I wouldn't mind a 690 smcr though.
@@gersonjimenez5737 I'd go with an exc over a crf 450... I've had crf 450s road legal they don't last long till they need new top end rebuilds ( lose power ) not sure on the new ktms reliability but the 04-07 4 strokes are really really reliable. They have a good reputation just Google rfs KTM and they're known for being bulletproof for reliability
@@gersonjimenez5737 I'd go with an exc over a crf 450... I've had crf 450s road legal they don't last long till they need new top end rebuilds ( lose power ) not sure on the new ktms reliability but the 04-07 4 strokes are really really reliable. They have a good reputation just Google rfs KTM and they're known for being bulletproof for reliability
lol I’m looking at those Italian husqvarna’s from when bmw owned them, found a clean 3200 mile 2009 SM610 and I’m tempted to buy it as I already had a 2006 KTM 950 SM and had my longest wheelie on that bike 😂
I like the look of the Kawasaki KLX300SM, but I think it would be better with some modifications and tuning, and that pushes the price up to closer to the more capable larger bikes. I want someone to review and tell me about what the Sherco 500SM, SWM500R, TM530SM, and the Ducati 698 are like and if any of these are the best way to go compared to the KLX? I'm not keen on buying a 10k bike and then having to convert the wheels/suspension/brakes, and change the gearing etc. I'd rather buy a ready built factory option with a warranty.
I have a fully modded DRZ400SM and a stock Husky 701 SM and can say the Husky is better in every way. I love both, but I would choose the 701 any day of the week. Clutch ups in second on the 701 are a breeze.
I currently have a crf450 supermoto from 02. Great and fast bike but the maintainance is a thing to keep in mind... i also had a xr600 supermoto but in is a older bike and a lot heavier. I just recently bought a hypermotard 1100 for longer trips. Awesome do everything bike but maybe not a real supermoto.
The hypermotard is freaking sweet! Very jealous. Definitely supermoto big brother. Maintenance is definitely a factor! The crf450l 600mile oil changes compared to a crf300l 8,000miles oil change 😂lol. Thanks for watching! 🤘🏼😎
Due to get my stark varg electric in a month 😂. But i suspect it’ll make one helluva sm. 80hp (more than the ktm/huskie 690/701) and only 20 lb heavier than your cr450. Not to mention instant and massive torque. Can’t wait to try it. Also no maintenance. Probably only 60 miles of range though :(
Super jealous! My exact thoughts when i saw those. That would be insane supermoto! Range would definitely be interesting to find out! Gotta be less juice ⚡️ use than off road? Even if your pushing it
@@Floatsorrolls1 exactly what I’m hoping. I’ve had a zero fxs (another sm that could be there on your list of the best) for a couple years and it’s a blast! (45 hp, 300 lb, ~90lbft torque). The stark hopefully takes it up another level. Range will be the question mark though…
330lbs for the KTM! My vote is for the WR450F or the YZF450FX @ around 250lbs. You’ll add a little weight making them street legal but you’ll gain it back with an FMF titanium exhaust. Plus the oem ecu is tunable from your phone. I think if you have to buy the ecu for the WR but it’s only $200. About the price of a tune and it’s oem.
I would get a 690 over a 450RL any day, (well I already did in October). The outgoing 2023 690 was actually $1000 off for me making it cheaper than the 450RL. I could not be happier with my choice, upgraded from a crf250l.
I have a Drz400 and love it but wish I had more power and six gears. The Husky and Ktms are amazing but pricey. I'm thinking of building a dr650 next for pretty cheap and keep both.
Although less maintenance than a KTM, an old KTM rfs engine 2003-2007 are pretty much bulletproof, I'd take a exc 450 or 525 exc over a drz any day, my brother had a drz 400, they're heavy and lacking power. A 525 is much more fun for supermoto. I have a 2004 450 exc with close to 500 engine hours I only changed the top end at 250 for peace of mind with a hi comp piston, no problems with the bike whatsoever in 500 hours. Also have a 2006 525 exc in supermoto trim also no problems at all. Great bikes!
hey man , good video , i just buyed a crf 250 , but not the L version , i took the m version. Do you think is a good bike for starting ? Do you have any advices
Appreciate it! Looks like the m already has 17” rims so heck yah! Our 250l was great! We put a yoshi pipe and fuel controller on it. Happy with the power tht made. Was awesome and regret selling it. We had to sell to get the 450l but if your not a power junkie the 250 was great! Super reliable fun bike tht will catch people off guard on them twisty roads. Definitely a great supermoto! Thanks for watching!
You would have to somehow fit a rear tank to make space for a proper flat saddle and lower mass centre. Also, why not checking on a Husqvarna Nuda if two cylinder is your thing.
Old ktm rfs bikes ftw! 2004-2007 ktm 525 exc best supermoto in my opinion, light and lots of power, wheelie machine and bulletproof reliable. Only thing that'd leave it behind and is more fun is an aprilia sxv 550 but they aren't very reliable from what I've heard...
8:23 Damn dude that was close. Target fixation? Just lean it in next time and look into the corner. Those tyres will not lose grip! I have sumo. With which I almost killed myself in 2019. I went out in very very similar turn like you managed to stay on road in this clip. I got thrown off the road, into the trees, down the road. Took me 7months to start walking again. :) Bike took it better than I did. My sumo sucks for commuting tho. I am now thinking of replacing it for something more "gentle". xD Always full gear-ON guys! Have fun, take care! ✌
I freaked out cuz i lost traction in rear then chose to come to a stop 😂 definitely could have made it just caught me off guard. Glad you were able to recover and ride again! Thanks for watching and sharing 😎🤘🏼
Now you got the Ducati now that looks like it's going to be on the top. BTW you could have made that corner. I run the Dragon all the time on my KTM990SMT.
The ducati looks insanely cool! Will be interesting to see how people like it. Definitely just lost traction and freaked me out 😂 bet the ktm 990 is a blast on the tail! Thanks for watching! 😎🤘🏼
Bought a 2023 KAWASAKI KLX 300 SM new rode it 350 miles and traded it on used HUSKY 701. KLX is cool little great handling SLOW motorcycle, HUSKY on the other hand is a beast in every aspect . If your an experienced rider just go for the top tier Supermoto and you"ll actually save the few thousand it cost me making the wrong choice.
U leave out the wr450 swap to sumo and the wr250x came stock in supermoto with upgraded brakes and fat tires, and blinkers. I saw them keep up and race KTM 690 on small track. On a 250!?!?!?
I left out the wr450 because its more involved conversion and the wr250x is no longer made. Otherwise i definitely would have. We are big yamaha fans. Absolutely nothing against them but wanted to speak on ones you can buy or easily convert from new or used. If yamaha had a 450sm or even a street legal enduro Id probably have one sitting in the garage now😂
49 tooth rear stock front. Here is the video of all the things we changed to eliminate our issues on the 450. ruclips.net/video/Cv18LU2AgNs/видео.htmlsi=zMqKBHbIwDzTaNg1
Hey I ride a 2022 KTM690 smcr and I love it. It is a true hollagan bike. It has about everything done to it. I also do track days on it , what a hoot, oh did I mention iam 66years old. Live life to its fullest and give God all the glory!
120/70 17 140/70 17 We rock the conti attack sm evo tires they dont last long but man do they get sticky on the street! Super confidence inspiring tire!
I dont get it why you all praise the rfvc engine so much? It is heavy, it needs constant oil changes and has a very low oil capacity anyway so it runs super hot in a super short time, you barely can hold up highway speeds cause it just needs to run on high rpm there, the stock clutch is also weak. So you first need to upgrade cluch, oilcooler etc to get a half decent running engine for supermoto hooliganism it still lacks proper suspension and brakes. And when you just need to spend 3-4k more to get a 701/690 over a stock 650 i think there is no way to recommend a half century old bike anymore cause even if you put 5k upgrade into a rvfc engine, any modern liquid cooled engine just destroys it in any single way possible. I drive a 92´ rfvc nx500 supermoto conversion and compared to my old fantic supermoto i was just shocked that even with 60% less hp i would have destroyed the nx500 with the fantic and i dont want to mention of how much better a 701/690 tops all of that. And if you want to get a decent highway bike with supermoto type of performance there is no way around a 890smt. If you want to do a conversiation nowadays - get a tracer 7 and strip it off the fairings. And before getting a crf450 get a 300 2stroker. But i think here in europe we have much more choice for a "out of the factory" good supermoto like we have the fantics, the betas, the shercos, the tm´s, the husabergs used market, and ofc we have a huge 50cc 2stroke market where every type of geared bike can be easily tuned to at least 30hp/100kg weight. But we dont have the old Honda anymore and also something like the 300klx is complete missing.
I think the new ducati will be insanely cool in terms of power and fun to ride. They mention really good maintenance intervals. But do think it’ll be interesting to see how reliable they are and unforeseen complications or issues they run into being a brand new motoor. I also like how light it is being right in the ball park of all the supermotos mentioned in the video but more power than the ktm/husky. Be interesting to see wht maintance costs are and how complex they are to work on. Tht being said Any brand getting into supermotos especially higher end ones gets some respect in my book 🫡 hope some day i could afford one 🤣
Yah it’s underpowered compared to the other bikes mentioned but still a solid bike! Spoke with a guy tht had one with 10k miles he said its a blast. Had it for a couple years and said he was happy with it. All depends on how power hungry you are. Thanks for watching!
Because i have yamaha wr250x. Its very smooth and i prefer to the beginners who have a desire to enter to the racing and do some wheelies and stunts. Easy to maintain and we cant expect yz250f power from it to be honest. If someone care about better fuel consumption, wr250x is lot more better. Overall its good one for regular use. And thanks a lot for your quick response bro....❤❤
Hell, i had a wr250 and its faster than a drz400. Was $4600, used but very clean. Threw a fmf and power commander on, and rid of the smog crap for another $800. Rode it 30 miles each way on the highway for 2 years till the crank bearing went lol. I was doing upwards of 100 for extended periods lol
Xr650l is the best bike I got 2 I got crf450rl I dont like to much I got crf 300l good bike I got crf250l is ok and I got crf450r I dont like for me Xr650l crf300l
Some guy on a r6 I was chasing at the tail of the dragon. It was crazy to see! Heres the full video of it! ruclips.net/video/ZBKeZogcX4o/видео.htmlsi=RufVFOLpw-_N3cNu Thanks for watching and xr650 for the win! 😎🤘🏼
I owned a DRZ 400 SM in the past and fell in love with SM because of it. Back in the market, I REALLY wanted the KTM 690, but for the same price I got (two) KLXs instead. KLX 300 dual sport for trails and gravel, and a KLX 300 SM for street. Wheelies are not really there without modding sprockets and long tours are not really there either. Otherwise, lots of fun with either KLX or both. Inexpensive, reliable, and long maintenance intervals.
drz rider here. Also respect to the xr650l, since theres a guy I do races and trackdays with who rides one. Our bikes sound way different from all the ktms and huskys out there :D
I am an old school enduro rider probably like your dad. I purchased a new 23 klx300sm and absolutely love the looks and ride of this little single. My softail Deluxe is parked in the garage only to be out with my wife on the back. Nice video and thumbs up for your dad pulling those wheelies.
Right on and appreciate it! Thanks for watching 🤘🏼😎
I have a DRZ400SM with a full Yoshi system and Keihin carb. I love it! I came from 1000cc sports bikes and bikes like the KTM690's etc are appealing but I'm getting older now and don't want to get in any more trouble. By the way, love the Squatch sticker on your dad's bike. We have some massive Yowies here in Australia.
Haha heck yah! Thanks for watching! Them yowies look like nothing to mess with! 😎🤘🏼
For informative purposes on the 450L, a stage 1 kit = ecu & exhaust, makes it roughly 47hp. Stage 2 kit = upgraded cam and valve springs, makes it around 58ish hp. The stage two kit really opens up the bike, maybe too much. On the dirt I can say it's probably a bit much, but supermoto would make sense. Either way it's a great bike. Anyone reading this don't listen to the haters about the bike. You DO have to throw some money into it, depending what time of riding you do, but the best part of the bike is the versatility and that's why I will never get rid of mine.
XR650R🏁 nice vid 👍🏾
owned a husky 701 enduro for a couple years and really only ever road it on road. most fun on a bike ive ever had, super easy to wheelie. hope to try the supermoto with the lower suspension someday!
Thanks for the honesty on the 450L . So refreshing to hear someone say that a bike is maintenance heavy. Usually they say this bike is bullet proof or reliable. But it is a race bike and revs to the moon. And will need a new piston every 2 years
Glad to see the KLX made the list. Wish Kawi made a 450sm 😄
A kawi 450sm would be sweett! Thanks for watching!
Got a 21 Drz400sm did some small power mods, clutches up really easy althought you cant power wheelie its a good sumo
Absolutely! Drz riders do some of the nastiest wheelies lol. It’s definitely a great sumo and bike. Thanks for watching! 😎🤘🏼
690 SM no question. I had a WR250X - nice bike but slow as hell. I had a DRZ400SM - also a very nice bike but also slow. I had a couple of 690s. The first one, a 2019, had an oil leak problem at the shift shaft and was prone to false neutrals. A couple years later I got another, I believe a 2021, and it was faultless. The amount of power these bikes make with a street legal single cylinder is incredible. Outstanding chassis too. I rode one at a track day on a road course (big track) and it had no problem holding its own against sport bikes in the Intermediate group.
45 years riding and just got an smcr , insane fun !!
my speed triples been gathering dust 😂
Heck yah! Speed triple is sweet bike too! You wont be disappointed when you get the supermoto to the tail! It’s a weapon down there 😎. They are resurfacing the tail this year so hopefully they will get it fixed early spring and not take all summer! 🤞🏼 thanks for watching my friend 🤘🏼
Nice vid. Good to see just the average enthusiast video instead of these social media motovlog guys spouting BS. Keep up the good work. 🤙
Appreciate it man! Thanks for watching 😎🤘🏼
Dr650 sm > xr650l sm
I'm sorry, the dr650 has a bigger tank, softer suspension, better gearing for speed, and is generally more reliable (the xr has a few things that hamper it's reliability) not to mention a larger oil capacity which is much better for long rides so you don't burn the oil
KTM EXC 500 was a beast but very pricey and lot of maintenance, that Honda XR looks like the way to go, or a DRZ one of them two be my next SM
All very nice, of course as they go up in paygrade nicer. Thanks for this breakdown as I’m just breaking back into riding after being sole provider to my kids. Hope they want to ride with me like you and your pops, very cool!🤙 I will start with most affordable so looking at DRZ 400 SM. Im 5’4” 105 lbs so not sure about fit but there’s always aftermarket lowering options so looking forward to it 😃
Right on! Will more than likely need a lower link but being lighter the drz will scoot with you on it! Im Very lucky to have my dad as a riding comrade! Thanks for watching and ride safe! 🤘🏼😎 sumos for the win!
I’ve had an 00 Xr650r sumo for 8 years and 20k miles it’s been great bike. Loads of power after the mods and nice range with the safari tank.
But parts are not cheap and they are getting more expensive.
So I am in the process of building a heavily modded dr650 sumo that will be set up to tour on as well. We will see how the DR650 takes to being a sumo.
Right on! The xr650r is sweet! Water cooled😎. Half the fun is building and customizing the sumo to be ur own! New build sounds cool too. Thanks for watching!🤘🏼
@@Floatsorrolls1 thanks for posting the vids. You are right getting all the parts together and built is half the fun. Also it helps you get familiar with a bike. Racetech carts and shock going on this weekend as well as wheels, tires, brembo big brake kit with 4 pot caliper in front. It's coming along well. Next weekend I fit the new tank, new fmf exhaust amd tune the new TM40 carb. Last weekend I did the 790 bigbore kit on the old Dr. Ive probably got a month before I'm ready to hit the streets with it yet. But it will be a beast of a bush pig.
Love my klx 300 . Weekend warrior going to work every day n did 200 miles of single track too best bike owned
no mention of dr650?
I just bought a xr650l and it’s so reliable and fun to ride just need to get a set of wheels, I picked up a 2024 model for $5900 can’t beat that
Sounds like you got a great deal! Sumo conversion changes bike completely!
Just had my first ride on my 2:25 2004 Yamaha xt 660x , it was my winter project bike, also own a 2012 honda fireblade , think I've got the supermoto bug as I absolutely loved it, what a great fun little bike, thinking of swapping the fireblade for a KTM 690smr
Right on! Supermotos are the bomb! The ktm690smr would be sickk! All the fun of having power but less the risk of excessive speed for the fun to be had! Thanks for watching! 😎🤘🏼and ride safe
I've had a KLX300SM and currently have an SMCR. My use case is commuter/urban play bike. The KLX is very solid and probably a better choice for how I ride. I'm sure it would be very economical to operate over the longer term. The SMCR is scary fun. You have to exercise discipline to avoid trouble with the authorities. The engine is very grumpy when cold. I was watching a video of a guy who had put 100,000 km on an SMCR. He had needed to do periodic top end work such as rocker arms. I've accepted the reality that operating costs for the KTM will be higher than most of the alternatives and I plan on doing the maintenance myself. I think it will be worth it.
Appreciate you sharing your experience! Thanks Jim! 🤘🏼😎
Another great and informative video. Sound is perfect.
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Good video was thinking about getting a SM to slow down from crazy sports bike speeds but having good handling and punchy acceleration. Not sure my problem is that KTM, Husky’s and Ducatis have doubtful reliability. Also big single cylinder engines don’t like continual excessive revs which could cause issues or mechanical failure.
Currently own a 15 DRZ...one of, if not my favorite bike Ive ever owned and Ive own over 14 bikes so far...mainly super sports though. But once I tried the sumo goodness, never went back.
Although less maintenance than a KTM, an old KTM rfs engine 2003-2007 are pretty much bulletproof, I'd take a exc 450 or 525 exc over a drz any day, my brother had a drz 400, they're heavy and lacking power. A 525 is much more fun for supermoto. I have a 2004 450 exc with close to 500 engine hours I only changed the top end at 250 for peace of mind with a hi comp piston, no problems with the bike whatsoever in 500 hours. Also have a 2006 525 exc in supermoto trim also no problems at all. Great bikes!
@@gixxer7907 don't get me wrong, there are definitely better sumo options, the DRZ with its price and reliability has just worked for me...that and I haven't tried other sumos lol. One day I want to build an 08 crf 450 sumo, i keep hearing nothing but greatness about those. I bought into the KTM unreliability, but I wouldn't mind a 690 smcr though.
@@gersonjimenez5737 I'd go with an exc over a crf 450... I've had crf 450s road legal they don't last long till they need new top end rebuilds ( lose power ) not sure on the new ktms reliability but the 04-07 4 strokes are really really reliable. They have a good reputation just Google rfs KTM and they're known for being bulletproof for reliability
@@gersonjimenez5737 I'd go with an exc over a crf 450... I've had crf 450s road legal they don't last long till they need new top end rebuilds ( lose power ) not sure on the new ktms reliability but the 04-07 4 strokes are really really reliable. They have a good reputation just Google rfs KTM and they're known for being bulletproof for reliability
I have a 2020 701 supermoto with a rottweiler fuel dongle. The dongle worked well at low and mid rpms.
Husaberg FS 650C --- no question
Big, old, heavy
@@TopRevsonly cool cause of the sound
@@TopRevsgood luck finding parts bud
@@joeyspeer788 For the Husaberg? Yes
lol I’m looking at those Italian husqvarna’s from when bmw owned them, found a clean 3200 mile 2009 SM610 and I’m tempted to buy it as I already had a 2006 KTM 950 SM and had my longest wheelie on that bike 😂
Haha thats awesome 😂 the SM610 would be wicked cool. Thanks for watching😎🤘🏼
Steering damper discussion and reviews please. GPR being my personal favorite (life saver, multiple times)
I like the look of the Kawasaki KLX300SM, but I think it would be better with some modifications and tuning, and that pushes the price up to closer to the more capable larger bikes.
I want someone to review and tell me about what the Sherco 500SM, SWM500R, TM530SM, and the Ducati 698 are like and if any of these are the best way to go compared to the KLX?
I'm not keen on buying a 10k bike and then having to convert the wheels/suspension/brakes, and change the gearing etc. I'd rather buy a ready built factory option with a warranty.
I have a fully modded DRZ400SM and a stock Husky 701 SM and can say the Husky is better in every way. I love both, but I would choose the 701 any day of the week. Clutch ups in second on the 701 are a breeze.
XR 650 r ❤🔥
I currently have a crf450 supermoto from 02. Great and fast bike but the maintainance is a thing to keep in mind... i also had a xr600 supermoto but in is a older bike and a lot heavier. I just recently bought a hypermotard 1100 for longer trips. Awesome do everything bike but maybe not a real supermoto.
The hypermotard is freaking sweet! Very jealous. Definitely supermoto big brother. Maintenance is definitely a factor! The crf450l 600mile oil changes compared to a crf300l 8,000miles oil change 😂lol. Thanks for watching! 🤘🏼😎
Due to get my stark varg electric in a month 😂. But i suspect it’ll make one helluva sm. 80hp (more than the ktm/huskie 690/701) and only 20 lb heavier than your cr450. Not to mention instant and massive torque. Can’t wait to try it. Also no maintenance. Probably only 60 miles of range though :(
Super jealous! My exact thoughts when i saw those. That would be insane supermoto! Range would definitely be interesting to find out! Gotta be less juice ⚡️ use than off road? Even if your pushing it
@@Floatsorrolls1 exactly what I’m hoping. I’ve had a zero fxs (another sm that could be there on your list of the best) for a couple years and it’s a blast! (45 hp, 300 lb, ~90lbft torque). The stark hopefully takes it up another level. Range will be the question mark though…
Now you got me looking at Supermotos!? This channel is to hard on my savings account. lol
we have a problem 😂 but hey cant take the saving account with yah when ur gone! Might as well enjoy it while u can 😎🤘🏼lol
Beautiful Xr,, I drive a Yamaha xtx 660 gen 2, I don’t thing this bike was sold to the Us, double piped akrapovic is music to my ears
Appreciate it! Never heard of the xtx 660 tht bike is sweet! Thanks for watching🤘🏼
330lbs for the KTM! My vote is for the WR450F or the YZF450FX @ around 250lbs. You’ll add a little weight making them street legal but you’ll gain it back with an FMF titanium exhaust. Plus the oem ecu is tunable from your phone. I think if you have to buy the ecu for the WR but it’s only $200. About the price of a tune and it’s oem.
I would get a 690 over a 450RL any day, (well I already did in October). The outgoing 2023 690 was actually $1000 off for me making it cheaper than the 450RL. I could not be happier with my choice, upgraded from a crf250l.
I have a Drz400 and love it but wish I had more power and six gears. The Husky and Ktms are amazing but pricey. I'm thinking of building a dr650 next for pretty cheap and keep both.
I bet the DR would be a fantastic supermoto. Thinking about one myself. Keep me posted.
Cheers!
Although less maintenance than a KTM, an old KTM rfs engine 2003-2007 are pretty much bulletproof, I'd take a exc 450 or 525 exc over a drz any day, my brother had a drz 400, they're heavy and lacking power. A 525 is much more fun for supermoto. I have a 2004 450 exc with close to 500 engine hours I only changed the top end at 250 for peace of mind with a hi comp piston, no problems with the bike whatsoever in 500 hours. Also have a 2006 525 exc in supermoto trim also no problems at all. Great bikes!
hey man , good video , i just buyed a crf 250 , but not the L version , i took the m version. Do you think is a good bike for starting ? Do you have any advices
Appreciate it! Looks like the m already has 17” rims so heck yah! Our 250l was great! We put a yoshi pipe and fuel controller on it. Happy with the power tht made. Was awesome and regret selling it. We had to sell to get the 450l but if your not a power junkie the 250 was great! Super reliable fun bike tht will catch people off guard on them twisty roads. Definitely a great supermoto! Thanks for watching!
The t7 supermoto is what I’m looking at to build
I really like the way you think 😎🤘🏼 that would be sickk!
@@Floatsorrolls1 thanks player! Keep making videos!!!
You would have to somehow fit a rear tank to make space for a proper flat saddle and lower mass centre. Also, why not checking on a Husqvarna Nuda if two cylinder is your thing.
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Appreciate it and Yes 👍🏼 😎
@@Floatsorrolls1 Awesome, thanks!
Old ktm rfs bikes ftw! 2004-2007 ktm 525 exc best supermoto in my opinion, light and lots of power, wheelie machine and bulletproof reliable. Only thing that'd leave it behind and is more fun is an aprilia sxv 550 but they aren't very reliable from what I've heard...
8:23 Damn dude that was close. Target fixation?
Just lean it in next time and look into the corner. Those tyres will not lose grip!
I have sumo. With which I almost killed myself in 2019. I went out in very very similar turn like you managed to stay on road in this clip. I got thrown off the road, into the trees, down the road. Took me 7months to start walking again. :) Bike took it better than I did. My sumo sucks for commuting tho. I am now thinking of replacing it for something more "gentle". xD
Always full gear-ON guys! Have fun, take care! ✌
I freaked out cuz i lost traction in rear then chose to come to a stop 😂 definitely could have made it just caught me off guard. Glad you were able to recover and ride again! Thanks for watching and sharing 😎🤘🏼
Good video and that’s rad you & your dad ride!
Appreciate it! Very lucky we share the same hobbies jetskis,quads and motorcycle! 😎🤘🏼thanks for watching!
Great Video thanks!
Now you got the Ducati now that looks like it's going to be on the top. BTW you could have made that corner. I run the Dragon all the time on my KTM990SMT.
The ducati looks insanely cool! Will be interesting to see how people like it. Definitely just lost traction and freaked me out 😂 bet the ktm 990 is a blast on the tail! Thanks for watching! 😎🤘🏼
Bought a 2023 KAWASAKI KLX 300 SM new rode it 350 miles and traded it on used HUSKY 701. KLX is cool little great handling SLOW motorcycle, HUSKY on the other hand is a beast in every aspect . If your an experienced rider just go for the top tier Supermoto and you"ll actually save the few thousand it cost me making the wrong choice.
The new Ducati "690" supermoto is wicked and I like the Gas Gas 700.
698*
Thanks for the video. It would be more helpful if your voice was louder. Perhaps a better microphone?
Appreciate the feedback will definitely try some different settings or turn up gain more. Thanks for watching!
U leave out the wr450 swap to sumo and the wr250x came stock in supermoto with upgraded brakes and fat tires, and blinkers. I saw them keep up and race KTM 690 on small track. On a 250!?!?!?
I left out the wr450 because its more involved conversion and the wr250x is no longer made. Otherwise i definitely would have. We are big yamaha fans. Absolutely nothing against them but wanted to speak on ones you can buy or easily convert from new or used. If yamaha had a 450sm or even a street legal enduro Id probably have one sitting in the garage now😂
Ktm 660 smc 04. Keihin fcr 41 & kick starter only.
What did you end up for gearing on the 450l. ?????
49 tooth rear stock front. Here is the video of all the things we changed to eliminate our issues on the 450.
ruclips.net/video/Cv18LU2AgNs/видео.htmlsi=zMqKBHbIwDzTaNg1
The best ducati 698 mono ❤
XR650 without a doubt for me.
Aprilia baby
Haha. You love that 450l Wait till you try the 690 uncorked.
I had a husaberg fs570 best bike ever!!
XR650l is the most reliable and a great all around bike!
Hey I ride a 2022 KTM690 smcr and I love it. It is a true hollagan bike. It has about everything done to it. I also do track days on it , what a hoot, oh did I mention iam 66years old. Live life to its fullest and give God all the glory!
Sumos are cool but i would take the dualsport versions of this bikes and this coming from a most road bike user
Best of both worlds if you do a conversion set up 🤷🏼♂️😉
nice video
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching! 😎🤘🏼
What super moto tire sizes on the 450l????
120/70 17
140/70 17
We rock the conti attack sm evo tires they dont last long but man do they get sticky on the street! Super confidence inspiring tire!
I dont get it why you all praise the rfvc engine so much? It is heavy, it needs constant oil changes and has a very low oil capacity anyway so it runs super hot in a super short time, you barely can hold up highway speeds cause it just needs to run on high rpm there, the stock clutch is also weak. So you first need to upgrade cluch, oilcooler etc to get a half decent running engine for supermoto hooliganism it still lacks proper suspension and brakes. And when you just need to spend 3-4k more to get a 701/690 over a stock 650 i think there is no way to recommend a half century old bike anymore cause even if you put 5k upgrade into a rvfc engine, any modern liquid cooled engine just destroys it in any single way possible.
I drive a 92´ rfvc nx500 supermoto conversion and compared to my old fantic supermoto i was just shocked that even with 60% less hp i would have destroyed the nx500 with the fantic and i dont want to mention of how much better a 701/690 tops all of that. And if you want to get a decent highway bike with supermoto type of performance there is no way around a 890smt. If you want to do a conversiation nowadays - get a tracer 7 and strip it off the fairings. And before getting a crf450 get a 300 2stroker. But i think here in europe we have much more choice for a "out of the factory" good supermoto like we have the fantics, the betas, the shercos, the tm´s, the husabergs used market, and ofc we have a huge 50cc 2stroke market where every type of geared bike can be easily tuned to at least 30hp/100kg weight. But we dont have the old Honda anymore and also something like the 300klx is complete missing.
How do you think the new Ducati is gonna compare?
I think the new ducati will be insanely cool in terms of power and fun to ride. They mention really good maintenance intervals. But do think it’ll be interesting to see how reliable they are and unforeseen complications or issues they run into being a brand new motoor. I also like how light it is being right in the ball park of all the supermotos mentioned in the video but more power than the ktm/husky. Be interesting to see wht maintance costs are and how complex they are to work on. Tht being said Any brand getting into supermotos especially higher end ones gets some respect in my book 🫡 hope some day i could afford one 🤣
Husaberg FS570 for sure 💪
Is the Kawasaki is good?
Yah it’s underpowered compared to the other bikes mentioned but still a solid bike! Spoke with a guy tht had one with 10k miles he said its a blast. Had it for a couple years and said he was happy with it. All depends on how power hungry you are. Thanks for watching!
Ktm 950 smr ❤
Ccm 644 dual sport best supermotto😎✌️
Thats the boat ramp at fontana
Top tier spot. Lol looks really sick when fog is on the water
Might as well get the new Ducati
Bro why dont you mention about Yamaha WR250X which is coming as company supermoto. It's EFI. I prefer its more better than kawasaki LX250 🫣🫣
Not available in the united states 😕 otherwise i would have! Yamaha all the way by far best quality brand
Because i have yamaha wr250x. Its very smooth and i prefer to the beginners who have a desire to enter to the racing and do some wheelies and stunts. Easy to maintain and we cant expect yz250f power from it to be honest. If someone care about better fuel consumption, wr250x is lot more better. Overall its good one for regular use. And thanks a lot for your quick response bro....❤❤
XR is a dual sport
A modern EFI 450
7k budget option?🤨
Used crf 450l
Used 690 lol. Theres one for sale by me for 4k
Used wr450
Hell, i had a wr250 and its faster than a drz400.
Was $4600, used but very clean. Threw a fmf and power commander on, and rid of the smog crap for another $800. Rode it 30 miles each way on the highway for 2 years till the crank bearing went lol. I was doing upwards of 100 for extended periods lol
AJP SPR 250 supermoto with factory 280cc kit + racing exhaust comes for around 7k I believe.
I liked your dads bike the best.
No gasgas?.
No one should be racing on the street unless they are auditioning for organ donor.
Xr650l is the best bike I got 2 I got crf450rl I dont like to much I got crf 300l good bike I got crf250l is ok and I got crf450r I dont like for me Xr650l crf300l
Suzuki DR 650 best than XR 650
who fell?
Some guy on a r6 I was chasing at the tail of the dragon. It was crazy to see! Heres the full video of it!
ruclips.net/video/ZBKeZogcX4o/видео.htmlsi=RufVFOLpw-_N3cNu
Thanks for watching and xr650 for the win! 😎🤘🏼
Oh ,a Xr600👍my First Bike❤️