Years later this video is saving those of us who picked the game up for free from Epic Game store. These settings fixed all the weird stutters and frame drops I was getting on my 5700 xt at 1440p. A solid 75-100fps range now, game looks great. Thanks for this.
@@XDaWsOnX2 isn't the stuttering just shader compilation? I see stutters in new areas or when using new guns a few times, but it goes away after like 5 seconds and never comes back.
For anyon using an Ultrawide monitor, and noticing there is cropping in cutscenes and character selection, turn FidelityFX off under Advanced settings. Fixes the issue for some reason!
I just want to say the fact you guys took the time to do this is greatly appreciated! I was surprised the the HUB Performance setting looks damn near as good as the HUB quality. And looks identical to the high preset in game. Thank you so much for bumping up my fps from 80ish to 120 with my Radeon VII.
15:03 is the settings. Extra note: FidelityFX Sharpening causes cropping on 21:9 Ultra wide monitors. On my 1080 Ti using the HUB Quality setting @ 1440p on the main menu saw these framerates with different AA modes: No AA: Locked 160fps FXAA: Locked 157fps TAA: Locked 150fps TAA seems to also reduce a fairly large amount of visual quality, I recommend FXAA for the vest visuals/performance.
Dude how in the world are you hitting over 100 fps. I know this is 4 years later, but I bought the game on sale and I'm on a 3080 on 1440p and can't get above 80 fps on the lowest graphics settings at the main menu where it shows your character upon loading the game
The issue with the title isn't FPS, it's a persistent issue with stutter, especially when you ADS. It will present with stutter even when it's saying it's running at 100fps. Edit: So I followed Shekelstein's advice below and this DEFINITELY helped me obtain a much smoother experience! Not completely perfect, but massively improved. With my 144Hz G-sync monitor I usually always set a max fps of 144 if the option is there, who knew how much this game would not play nice with its own setting there eh. So big thanks to him, and anyone else reading and experiencing this issue I strongly suggest following his advice and giving that a shot.
@@xelasoccer lucky you. I'm running a 7700k and 1080Ti, installed to SSD. The frustrating part is performance routinely IS perfect, but the stutters are prevalent. It's affecting so many folks as well so Gearbox need to get it sorted ASAP.
Thanks so much for these videos Tim. I would've never guessed the fog made such a difference. Saved me a lot of time in getting my fps/quality balance where I want it to be.
@@hitmarkler Because when referring back to the video to implement the changes AFTER watching the video, it is helpful to have a summarized list of changes.
@@The_Noticer. if you are limited by your CPU, then the percentage of gains will be lower, and thats all, the only thing i would like to see is also an ryzen cpu to understand how it behaves since the archtecture is quite different.
@@MarceloTezza No, it will be higher, especially with Geometry/Detail/Draw distance settings. They are testing at 4K, meaning the framerate is low, and the drawcall amount is also low. Scaling on the CPU will be limited in this scenario. It's a different scenario entirely if your CPU isn't a 5ghz 9900K and you're gaming at 1440p or 1080p at double the framerate. Who plays a shooter at 35-40 fps, c'mon.
@@The_Noticer. Nope wrong. I have a 4th Gen I7 and a 1080 and this helped a lot at 1440p Ultrawide. You need to define your "better cpu than gpu" argument better.
Ive discovered a huge FPS boost. The game didnt auto add itself to nvidia control panels 3d settings. Manually add it. I gained 25fps average in the benchmark just from this!
@@sethhinkle3387 right click desktop, Nvidia control panel, manage 3d settings, change to program settings. See if borderlands 3 is in drop down box. If not add manually
Same here ... GTX 1060 3Gb & i5 6300HQ , game's running not bad on pandora ...and just stuck à 15/20 fps during fight in the first city making it unplayable ... Will wait for a patch ... or getting refund and buying it on steam in 6 month ...
God Damn Borderlands 3 is that demanding on systems??? The game does looks good for it's style but for that kind of performance cost HELL NO. This must be one really unoptimized piece of work considering that Zelda Wind Water rendered at 4k looks almost as good and can run on Intel HD graphics. . .
yep, the reason people shit on Unreal Engine 4. It's not the fucking engine, it's clearly the fucking developers. Look at Gears 5, can you spot the difference in optimization?
@@sssesoj To be fair, GOW5 is on rail, 2 minutes levels. While BL3 is not 'open world' as a big maps, the play area and randomness is way bigger. Same for Rage2, Vulkan vs DOOM.. Doom is on rail game, rage2 is more random..
Did you not watch the video? It is not unoptimized. It is very demanding due to the new features and visual effects. Just because you could run wind waker at 4k with intel integrated graphics doesn’t mean you can run borderlands 3.
Wow, I really wish developers were this detailed in their graphics options... Fantastic work! I can't wait to try this out on my system to see some boosts in performance!
Agreed. The last game I can remember where the difference between the highest and 2nd highest had a huge visual difference would be Crysis 1, and that was like 12 years ago.
Tbh you can save so much money on hardware if you just have a gsync/freesync monitor and turn down the settings to medium or high-custom with some extra tweaking. You will barely notice a difference, and will get a much better experience. In 2019 most systems can run 1080p 60fps without issue, so the main bottleneck is having a good monitor to smooth things over imo.
G'day Tim, Thanks for another Awesome Set up guide, It's amazing the FPS performance increase you can get with some of these settings that don't drastically reduce Visual Quality
So all you had to do is lower some of the settings... I had like 60 fps on max settings but by changing it to a mixture of high and medium, I easily doubled that, while also still having the game look great The funny part are people on the r/borderlands subreddit complaining that the port is bad because max settings tanks their performance. After suggesting they lower the settings im the one who gets downvoted.... like fine, the fix is within your grasp, but sit their and be miserable with your poor performance.
Maybe you haven't played far enough yet...some planets absolutely tank your fps. i don't care for graphics im just used to 144hz in shooters but on low with a 2080 i drop below 60 at times and never go above 110 unless im indoors or somethng.
BL2 was the same way. mostly due to physx and the game being a cpu hog. max settings always used to tank performance in games. it was almost a setting for future hardware, like the original crysis. now if you try that, people complain about poor optimization.
@@feelingtardy the thing with borderlands is that it uses cell shaded textures, they dont look nearly as good as photorealistic graphics and shouldnt be as demanding as it is.
i recently played b2 with a 5700xt at 2000mhz an a 3700x 4.25ghz, and still in b2 was getting horrible lows and stuttering, the frame rate had no idea what to do with itself. morale of the story, i dont hink gearbox are very good at what theyre doing.
Thank you for this... I've been following your optimization guides for several years now, always on point, thank you so much for your time and effort..!!!
@@MrMcGreed Yeah you'll cap at 80-90 fps with lows of 55 with a 2600X according to some CPU benchmarks I saw (on Ultra anyway). Though the same benchmarks showed that the 9900K can't break 120 on Ultra with a 2080 Ti, so that Vega must be on LN2 with a CPU to match.
something1random23 yea I got 70fps on ultra with an rtx 2080 super (paired with r7 3700x 16gb ddr4 3600mhz cl17) gonna try out these settings tomorrow.. maybe the dang fog is the issue idk..
It is extremely rare for me to comment and praise a video as usually I just hit the like button but this video brought me from 60 fps to 90 fps without sacrificing much of anything. Thank you for your hard work that you put into this research as a person who does extensive research myself I can appreciate something like this. I am now subbed.
great stuff, was playing on medium in the 105 fps range, increased multiple settings, gained noticeable visual improvements, framerate still 95-100. awesome bang-for-your-gpu-buck testing here!
@@T.V.K. No, it's just that it's redundant. Saying that you get a performance gain, but also saying right after that there's no performance loss is you're saying essentially the same thing twice
@@SgtAwesome97 i understand that it's redundant. but it could have been a slip of the tongue and a change of wording likely would've conveyed a full meaning without redundancy. i.e., that not only do you get a gain on performance, but without the loss of visual fidelity. i can turn my settings to low, and get a great performance gain -- but at the cost of visual fidelity. such a statement is not redundant. so my question is then, what would be proper? clearly he didn't intend to make a redundant statement, but accidentally repeated words. so my question is, what would've been proper?
Thanks for your work on this guys, I got the game for free from epic and played it for the first time yesterday. I was surprised at how well it ran on my aging 1060, and looking forward to trying your recommended settings
Looks like most of this still applies but there are some differences now. There is no Enviroment Detail, only Terrain Detail. No Material Compexity, just Material Quality. There is also a "Clutter" option that is not mentioned. For me, I got much better frames on DX12 then DX11.
if you can't live with a little bit fps dropping. I think people moaning about framedrops are often such pussies. What are you going to handle if you can't even handle framedips in videogames? It's not like games are unplayable at 40 fps or anything. Pathetic dipshits.
i agree ots good to see multicore getting better usage. buttttt most of that is used for the drm. from my understanding this hame runs in a container (a vm) and then pushes out to the system itself. which is a TERRIBLE WASTE of cores in a game...
I love these videos! Keep up the good work! Is it possible to also add a CPU bottleneck video for these? FOr instance, high framerate 1080p gamers where the CPU is usually the limiting factor (ex my rig: 1080ti R7 1700).
Please don't stop doing these kind of videos, they're the best. I really want to know how a new game will run on my PC before buying it and you are doing an excellent job for that!
Ok I don't agree with the test methodology. From my experience with the previous games, most of the framerate drops come from heavy geometry intensive scenes and physics. Running the game in the benchmark mode means the developer can implement a heavy optimized fulcrum and LOD to give the impression the engine is more optimized in terms of drawcalls than it really is. Also keep in mind that whilst the majority of techsavvy HUB viewers run AMD Ryzen 5's, Intel still holds the market with their quadcore i5's. And even running midrange GPU's can leave you CPU bottlenecked if you're not careful with phsyics/geometry/detail settings. Running a 5ghz 9900K will place all the emphasis on the GPU, and some of the scaling that happens on the CPU side is obfuscated, especially when running 4K and you're at a lower framerate (less drawcalls). This test is definitely not conclusive as a result, and means people with weak CPU's will be confused about this video as they're not seeing the scaling presented here.
By the way, i'm not even talking about the fact that this completely goes over the predominant reasons people are experiencing poor framerate. Most of the times it's down to the in-engine framerate limiters and/or v-sync. Turning off V-sync and the framelimiter and using RTSS yourself negates 99% of the problems. This is especially true for people with G-sync/Freesync panels.
I think certain settings had to be shown from in game scenes and not the benchmark, some examples seem to be bad from the benchmark. You can see bigger diff in game, still nothing world moving but a bit.
The Benchmark says i get 125fps avg (i7 8700k and rtx 2070). The lowest Fps that i got in the benchmark was not even close to the 90fps~ avg on prometheus or what the name of the planet was.
@@markodienie 8700K is ofc not a weak CPU. The discepancy will become worse the higher the fps in combination with a weaker cpu. Stutter is also predominantly caused by the cpu being the bottleneck instead of the gpu.
These are my favorite videos for new games. I truly hope the effort to make them pays off for you guys, I really want to see you and the rest your crew stick around.
Thank you so much for doing this guys! I got Borderlands over the weekend and my framerate has been pretty playable on ultra with fog and AO turned down to high. I didn't mess with the settings anymore as I wanted to play. I'm going to be adjusting them though for a much better framerate.
I have a 2080 super running at 1440p. running on ultra in a curtain city in Promethea i was getting around 40 to 50 fps avg... That is INSANELY bad for a game that isn't even THAT visually impressive. Will try these settings once I have the chance. Pretty frustrating that a new, high end gpu can't even play this at 60 fps consistantly at 1440p ultra and mind you, ultra isn't even the highest preset. Thanks for the great guide by the way!
@@bipsi15 it's in Lectra City that my gpu just melts and at 1440p it's demanding, but it shouldn't be THAT demanding. I'm pretty sure AMD cards are better optimized for this game though as the game I think is made on AMD hardware.
Alejandro yeah, i saw somewhere before the release, that amd gpu and CPU would have it much better in bl3. Also amd came out with a new driver the Day before bl3 release, with a 16% fps increase in bl3 😁
@@bipsi15 yea, don't know if it's Nvidia or gearbox, but someone definitely dropped the ball on this one. Still getting around 50 fps, but now it's in the jungle place, even with the settings in the video.
came back to this game after finally getting a rtx 3080, hub quality with ultrawide hitting 110-130fps and fantastic fluid gameplay @dx12 much appreciated videos like this, im sure it takes hours of work trying to find the slight differences , thanks again Tim!!!!
Dude how lol, im on a 3080 at 1440p and with his hub performance settings struggle to get above 70 fps. I can't figure out why its so bad on fps. I switched back and forth between dx11 and dx12 and still can't get it to increase
Thanks for the video! Planning on playing this soon with a friend and I ran the benchmark and was playing around with the settings as well to see if I could spot any changes. By the way in the image comparison for Screen space Reflections I think the water is using a cubemap instead, even on the ultra preset. I'm betting that option effects things like reflective metallic surfaces more.
Value PCs are useless when their users are blindly playing games only on Ultra. Then they buy new parts every year or so and the value perspective is then non existent. More people need to realize that ultra settings generally suck. You guys are prolonging the lives of our PCs by a lot and that is really amazing. Keep it up! Looking forward to Cyberpunk 2077 optimization.
@@solemnmodz Turns out it was just the texture streaming. Obviously I guess it's constantly streaming textures as you scope. So turning that setting down makes it better, but it almost make the game look like butt. Medium is a happy in between.
anyone else in late 2020 with a high end system coming to hardware unboxed's video to try out his recommended settings to try and fix stuttering? lol :(
Great video man Was checking for a specific gpu benchmark of the game and found this which answered my question Very helpful indeed for anyone who isn't experienced with graphic settings 👌
Subscribed, never heard of this channel before, but this is an incredibly useful video. I'll definitely come back for more if you guys keep the format for later games!
Because you probably read some bullshit online written by people who don't know what they are talking about. Has been the case on all claims I've seen this far. If people only would educate themselves instead of copy-pasting arguments. Whatever you're going to say now (if you're going to say something), CHECK up the source, if it is actually TRUE and not just some claim by a whiny gamer.
@@Crow-sj6sf Third Party Exclusives have no business on any Platform. Plus They're buying games off steam. And forcing you to buy it on their store. Yeah i don't support those shady practices. I have a huge back log of games, so waiting an extra year is worth the wait. Stop being a blind sheep !!!
@@DeadPhoenix86DP So by your own standards you shouldn't be supporting steam either then because they have exclusive games also. You're ignorant. Exclusives is done in basically ALL industries in the entire world. Educate yourself. You just wrong. You're COMPLETELY wrong and have NO idea what you're talking about. So now you have to look for another argument, which shows that it is NOT about the facts, but about smearing something because you decided that they're bad. You just can't find any valid reason as to why, because the problem is you, not them.
Dude...what a badass video! Thank you so much! I went from 65fps to over 100 on ultra with my 1080ti ftw3 and playing on a ultra wide monitor! ...Thanks for the great work!
Seriously, these optimization guide videos are the best on the internet, not just youtube. It matches what my eyes tell me is no discernible difference, with great improvements in performance. I wouldn't have been able to play AC Odyssey with decent frame rates without that guide. I'm also enjoying Gears 5 much more from the recent guide. And Now with this video, I wouldn't have known how bad of a hit some of those settings were (Looking at you Volumetric Fogs, no pun intended.) Thanks Tim, keep them coming! (Edit: just noting I play at 4K with a 2080Ti, 8700K, getting to 60FPS with native 4K is my goal)
@Hardware Unboxed Every channel that test 4k does it on Ultra and gets like 30fps with 2080ti. What graphics card would be sufficient for 60fps 4k, if for example you use AMD sharpening 70% res.scale and high/medium settings? Please make a video about the topic, I have searched for hours on YT with no results. Keep up the amasing work you guys do and remember to "put shrimps on the barbie" every once in a while. 😉
anything above a 5700xt, some older pascal cards etc will run at 4k med-highish. what will run ultra settings with 60fps at 4k? some card thatll come ot in 4 years time.
@@seaghan6412 But with the new sharpening tool that scales/sharpens, 1440/1800 to 4k it will give +30% more performance at 4k and look almost as good. That is a video I would like to see, which graphics cards that would work, it feels like atleast 5700 xt would do a very good job.
So fucking irritating. I don't even want to finish the game. I have a 1080ti and get such weird fuckin numbers. I'll be looking in one direction and get 130+, turn around and drop to -55?
It makes my head hurt just thinking how much work it took to capture so many videos with benchmarks where only one setting is changed 4 times...you guys are insane. And I love you for it :D
For real! I see comments like 'I guess Steve is off benchmarking' and I know it's probably in jest, but Tim puts a shitload of time and effort into these too and I appreciate the lengths he goes to.
That sucks. No physx. Tthat was one of my favorite things about borderlands 2. Use Maya's phase lock and watch slag, corrosion, and debris fly every where.
It has physx, physx 3.3 is the physics engine in unreal engine 4. Gpu particles works on any gpu, the old physx is an outdated version that developers only used after 2010 if Nvidia gave them a big check. Seems like you're a fool who fell for Nvidia marketing, every modern game uses more advanced gpu particle effects than the old version 1 of physx did for Nvidia cards back in the day. Locking it away was only a marketing stunt
@@wile123456 IDK. I havnt really seen bl3 game play yet. I didnt see the physx option so i was dissapointed to not see it. But i hope its like or better. Bl2 physx looks quite different from what ive seen in different games. particles, liquids, and cloth interaction. even sparked particles bounce around.
wow... WOW!! Why isn't this sort of thing all over the place? using rx580 here. went from 38fps to 61 fps in the benchmark using the HUB Quality suggestion... and I cant notice any difference in quality! Dear god! Keep'em comming and thanks very much!
Quick note the 980ti was a beast when released but it is now about the same performance as a 1070GTX or a 1660ti. Still good for many games but not at 4k max.
What about Denuvo? Am sure it's eating like 5% and no way to turn it off I think Steam version (2020) with no Denuvo, because they knew people will pirate it just because it's exclusive for Epic Store Still.. optimization is crap considering this graphics like PS3 era, hope they optimize it further with later updates
@@FROEZOEN I looked a lot of videos and all I can see they improved lightnings & added fog, no other things improved overall Am BL fan myself, but am not gonna be a low IQ fan who praise graphics just because it's GearBox
Thank you so much, buddy. I was wondering why my pc was chugging so much with the ultra preset when it usually handles other games fine, and this explained it all. Love these videos.
Borderlands 3 Benchmark here, 60 GPUs tested: ruclips.net/video/znE6vzEa0NU/видео.html
make FFxV pls ,save me and my fps
LOL....so why not just say put everything on High for the safest Performance and best visuals..?
Years later this video is saving those of us who picked the game up for free from Epic Game store. These settings fixed all the weird stutters and frame drops I was getting on my 5700 xt at 1440p. A solid 75-100fps range now, game looks great. Thanks for this.
Lol directx 12 still bugged as well. 6800xt and still get stutter with 12.
@@XDaWsOnX2 isn't the stuttering just shader compilation? I see stutters in new areas or when using new guns a few times, but it goes away after like 5 seconds and never comes back.
dx 12 still sucks in 2022 with med-end gpus
15:02 for the list
god bless you mate
♥
For anyon using an Ultrawide monitor, and noticing there is cropping in cutscenes and character selection, turn FidelityFX off under Advanced settings. Fixes the issue for some reason!
thank you! this should be higher up
My friend says thank you. I sent her this comment the moment I saw this. She stopped playing because of the ultra wide issue
Holy crap, thank you lol! That was bugging me so much!
Man you the real MVP here!
Two of my friends now!
Great video man went from 80fps to 120 on my 2080 and it looks the same as ultra. Keep the content coming my dude.
Ive got a 2080 rig so really helpful.
I can't wait to see what this does for mine. I was floating around 80-90 fps on High.
me too and tbh it's sad we gotta watch this video with a 2080 like ....comn it doesnt look that good and the 2080 is on the end of highend....
clayton morrow i know it should help but there are many reports about dx12 beeing bugged right now Even the devs Said to not use it until fixed
@clayton morrow Dx12 is better on the 20xx cards, the pascal architecture isnt great for dx12
Fun fact
the Borderlands3 exe file around 600MB, only around 50MB is needed, rest is denuvo
They saw it coming...
Oh wait... We dont say these things...
That's not fun.
This game will be memed for decades on Crackwatch if it gets cracked
Atilolzz *when it gets cracked
That's insane.
These videos are the best, please keep them coming!
I second that!
+1
so true
I just want to say the fact you guys took the time to do this is greatly appreciated! I was surprised the the HUB Performance setting looks damn near as good as the HUB quality. And looks identical to the high preset in game. Thank you so much for bumping up my fps from 80ish to 120 with my Radeon VII.
15:03 is the settings.
Extra note: FidelityFX Sharpening causes cropping on 21:9 Ultra wide monitors.
On my 1080 Ti using the HUB Quality setting @ 1440p on the main menu saw these framerates with different AA modes:
No AA: Locked 160fps
FXAA: Locked 157fps
TAA: Locked 150fps
TAA seems to also reduce a fairly large amount of visual quality, I recommend FXAA for the vest visuals/performance.
Thank you
Dude how in the world are you hitting over 100 fps. I know this is 4 years later, but I bought the game on sale and I'm on a 3080 on 1440p and can't get above 80 fps on the lowest graphics settings at the main menu where it shows your character upon loading the game
The issue with the title isn't FPS, it's a persistent issue with stutter, especially when you ADS. It will present with stutter even when it's saying it's running at 100fps.
Edit: So I followed Shekelstein's advice below and this DEFINITELY helped me obtain a much smoother experience! Not completely perfect, but massively improved. With my 144Hz G-sync monitor I usually always set a max fps of 144 if the option is there, who knew how much this game would not play nice with its own setting there eh.
So big thanks to him, and anyone else reading and experiencing this issue I strongly suggest following his advice and giving that a shot.
Yeah we've heard about this, didn't experience it ourselves in the DX11 mode
What I wouldn’t give to have the smooth performance they had in this video
I haven't had any stutter at all at 1440p dx11 but I do have a 2080 and a 3700x.
Denuvo seems to only rape the game at start up, not i game atleast
@@xelasoccer lucky you. I'm running a 7700k and 1080Ti, installed to SSD.
The frustrating part is performance routinely IS perfect, but the stutters are prevalent. It's affecting so many folks as well so Gearbox need to get it sorted ASAP.
Thanks so much for these videos Tim. I would've never guessed the fog made such a difference. Saved me a lot of time in getting my fps/quality balance where I want it to be.
As a small suggestion, why not put a summary of settings in description?
Matthew Surefire extra work
@@hitmarkler Because when referring back to the video to implement the changes AFTER watching the video, it is helpful to have a summarized list of changes.
@@hitmarkler Because it's 17 minutes worth of very basic graphic settings. It should only take a few minutes to explanations.
It's literally at the 16 min mark...
M H wow you’re dumb
Best optimizations guides of all youtube, thanks! Keep them comming
Disagree. Test methodology is pretty bad and this will only help people with a system that have a better CPU than GPU.
@@The_Noticer. if you are limited by your CPU, then the percentage of gains will be lower, and thats all, the only thing i would like to see is also an ryzen cpu to understand how it behaves since the archtecture is quite different.
@@MarceloTezza No, it will be higher, especially with Geometry/Detail/Draw distance settings. They are testing at 4K, meaning the framerate is low, and the drawcall amount is also low. Scaling on the CPU will be limited in this scenario. It's a different scenario entirely if your CPU isn't a 5ghz 9900K and you're gaming at 1440p or 1080p at double the framerate. Who plays a shooter at 35-40 fps, c'mon.
Definitely not the best , but one of the best.
@@The_Noticer. Nope wrong. I have a 4th Gen I7 and a 1080 and this helped a lot at 1440p Ultrawide.
You need to define your "better cpu than gpu" argument better.
These videos really are the best! Thank you and keep doing them! It's really useful
Ive discovered a huge FPS boost. The game didnt auto add itself to nvidia control panels 3d settings. Manually add it. I gained 25fps average in the benchmark just from this!
how do i do this?
@@sethhinkle3387 right click desktop, Nvidia control panel, manage 3d settings, change to program settings. See if borderlands 3 is in drop down box. If not add manually
Nice find.
I confirm this helps a lot on my 2 PCs :D ! Thumb up for you !
Thanks! I'll try this out. I can't keep a locked 60fps at 1440p currently with my 1080ti using the HUB recommended settings.
Damn this video must be so much work to make...over 60 bench runs and still nothing cutted! TY
That moment when I have all my settings on very low and I'm still at an average of 43fps
Same here! I really feel this game shouldn't be so taxing! Things like Hunt even run much faster
same and i have a 1080 bruh this ass
switch to ultra and adjust. low seems to fuck shit up
Same here ... GTX 1060 3Gb & i5 6300HQ , game's running not bad on pandora ...and just stuck à 15/20 fps during fight in the first city making it unplayable ... Will wait for a patch ... or getting refund and buying it on steam in 6 month ...
Watch Dogs waving from the distance.
God Damn Borderlands 3 is that demanding on systems??? The game does looks good for it's style but for that kind of performance cost HELL NO. This must be one really unoptimized piece of work considering that Zelda Wind Water rendered at 4k looks almost as good and can run on Intel HD graphics. . .
probably because of denuvo
yep, the reason people shit on Unreal Engine 4. It's not the fucking engine, it's clearly the fucking developers. Look at Gears 5, can you spot the difference in optimization?
@@sssesoj To be fair, GOW5 is on rail, 2 minutes levels. While BL3 is not 'open world' as a big maps, the play area and randomness is way bigger. Same for Rage2, Vulkan vs DOOM.. Doom is on rail game, rage2 is more random..
@@rdmz135 hahha another denuvo boogeyman idiot.
Did you not watch the video? It is not unoptimized. It is very demanding due to the new features and visual effects. Just because you could run wind waker at 4k with intel integrated graphics doesn’t mean you can run borderlands 3.
thanks for the amazing guide HU. gained significant improvement over preset settings.
Wow, I really wish developers were this detailed in their graphics options... Fantastic work! I can't wait to try this out on my system to see some boosts in performance!
Best monitor reviews AND performance guides? I love you guys
Ultra settings are bs in most games.
Custom Settings > Garbage ripoff presets.
Unless you speak about Microsoft games like Forza or Gears
@@shinobu2177 yeah. Tech deals did a video on it
Agreed. The last game I can remember where the difference between the highest and 2nd highest had a huge visual difference would be Crysis 1, and that was like 12 years ago.
Tbh you can save so much money on hardware if you just have a gsync/freesync monitor and turn down the settings to medium or high-custom with some extra tweaking. You will barely notice a difference, and will get a much better experience. In 2019 most systems can run 1080p 60fps without issue, so the main bottleneck is having a good monitor to smooth things over imo.
G'day Tim,
Thanks for another Awesome Set up guide,
It's amazing the FPS performance increase you can get with some of these settings that don't drastically reduce Visual Quality
This style of reviewing graphics is by far the best i have seen on youtube from "reviewers" keep up the good stuff for all games :)
I think this is by far the best indepth guide regarding settings and its costs.
Thanks a lot!
So all you had to do is lower some of the settings... I had like 60 fps on max settings but by changing it to a mixture of high and medium, I easily doubled that, while also still having the game look great
The funny part are people on the r/borderlands subreddit complaining that the port is bad because max settings tanks their performance. After suggesting they lower the settings im the one who gets downvoted.... like fine, the fix is within your grasp, but sit their and be miserable with your poor performance.
i do this with people who complain that a thing is not in total war warhammer 2 when there are several mods that add that thing.
Maybe you haven't played far enough yet...some planets absolutely tank your fps. i don't care for graphics im just used to 144hz in shooters but on low with a 2080 i drop below 60 at times and never go above 110 unless im indoors or somethng.
BL2 was the same way. mostly due to physx and the game being a cpu hog. max settings always used to tank performance in games. it was almost a setting for future hardware, like the original crysis. now if you try that, people complain about poor optimization.
@@feelingtardy the thing with borderlands is that it uses cell shaded textures, they dont look nearly as good as photorealistic graphics and shouldnt be as demanding as it is.
i recently played b2 with a 5700xt at 2000mhz an a 3700x 4.25ghz, and still in b2 was getting horrible lows and stuttering, the frame rate had no idea what to do with itself. morale of the story, i dont hink gearbox are very good at what theyre doing.
Thank you for this... I've been following your optimization guides for several years now, always on point, thank you so much for your time and effort..!!!
this was VERY useful and in depth, they did a great job, keep it up hardware unboxed. lengendary!
It should be well patched when it finally launches on Steam.
I'm happy that they are beta testing this game on the Epic game store.
@@meerminman Sure seems that way lol
Performance aside the game is complete though, and fantastic.
@@steel5897 yeah, now I only need a new pc, gotta drop the cash😅
Yup
On my Vega 64 i went from ~70 FPS using badass to over 120 with the HUB Quality changes. cheers ;)
1080p?
What CPU? I'm running a 1080ti and a R5 2600x, getting only 80-ish, with the HUB Quality? (@1080p, 75-ish at 1440p which is the native)
@@MrMcGreed Yeah you'll cap at 80-90 fps with lows of 55 with a 2600X according to some CPU benchmarks I saw (on Ultra anyway). Though the same benchmarks showed that the 9900K can't break 120 on Ultra with a 2080 Ti, so that Vega must be on LN2 with a CPU to match.
something1random23 yea I got 70fps on ultra with an rtx 2080 super (paired with r7 3700x 16gb ddr4 3600mhz cl17) gonna try out these settings tomorrow.. maybe the dang fog is the issue idk..
I'm getting stable 60 on i5 8600 k and a 1070 on ultra 1440 . I just turned motion blur off. This 1070 has served me well lol.
This video was sorely needed. Thank you so much.
It is extremely rare for me to comment and praise a video as usually I just hit the like button but this video brought me from 60 fps to 90 fps without sacrificing much of anything. Thank you for your hard work that you put into this research as a person who does extensive research myself I can appreciate something like this. I am now subbed.
great stuff, was playing on medium in the 105 fps range, increased multiple settings, gained noticeable visual improvements, framerate still 95-100. awesome bang-for-your-gpu-buck testing here!
FidelityFX Sharpening = Jacked Cutscenes for 21:9 for whatever reason
These are some of the best videos, thanks so much for doing these! We appreciate it! You literally just brought me to 143 FPS @ 1440p. Thanks !
This isn't just a great video, it's a public service. Thank you so much.
There's also another fix that makes fps even better AND it makes the gameplay less dull.
Just switch the Borderlands setting from 3 to 2.
I must say... This has been set up really nicely.
Great visuals, as well as a nice optimization :)
Good job, Tim 👍
when typing in the searchbar i was hoping to find this, but i did not really think it would be. great success thanks !!
Thank you for the free performance! Went from 75fps at 1440p to 96fps! On a 1080ti and 8700k
Congrats on being too dumb to find it out easily by yourself.
Its not rocket science.
@@bebedor1985 There really is no reason to be so negative. No one is impressed.
Spox bro people have a life outside of video games, not all of us have the time to pay attention to that shit
@@bebedor1985 then why are you on this video
Dude how lol, im on a 3080 at 1440p and with his hub performance settings struggle to get above 70 fps. I can't figure out why its so bad on fps
14:56 “For 5% performance gains, and nearly no performance lost” I laughed extremely hard at this. Perfect video with the perfect blooper. 😂😂😂😂
what would be proper? no visual fidelity lost?
@@T.V.K. No, it's just that it's redundant. Saying that you get a performance gain, but also saying right after that there's no performance loss is you're saying essentially the same thing twice
Didn't he mean 5 percent fps performance gain with no visual performance lost?
@@thewizardoftech5075 yes
@@SgtAwesome97 i understand that it's redundant. but it could have been a slip of the tongue and a change of wording likely would've conveyed a full meaning without redundancy. i.e., that not only do you get a gain on performance, but without the loss of visual fidelity. i can turn my settings to low, and get a great performance gain -- but at the cost of visual fidelity. such a statement is not redundant.
so my question is then, what would be proper? clearly he didn't intend to make a redundant statement, but accidentally repeated words. so my question is, what would've been proper?
this video really explains me everything i wanted to know, im impressed jeez. i destroyed the subscribe button
More videos like these please, simply amazing. Thank you.
Tim your work is endlessly appreciated. Thank you
Thanks for your work on this guys, I got the game for free from epic and played it for the first time yesterday. I was surprised at how well it ran on my aging 1060, and looking forward to trying your recommended settings
Looks like most of this still applies but there are some differences now. There is no Enviroment Detail, only Terrain Detail. No Material Compexity, just Material Quality. There is also a "Clutter" option that is not mentioned. For me, I got much better frames on DX12 then DX11.
This video is 2 years old and they improved dx12.
Great videos man! Very informative, helpful, understandable, and well edited! Keep up the great work!!!
Atleast it's well optimized for multi core. Borderlands 2 you need to turn draw distance down to very low because that game only uses 1 or 2 cores
All the games now are going in that direction. It's good to see. Multi-core processing has been out a long time, it's about time they took advantage.
if you can't live with a little bit fps dropping.
I think people moaning about framedrops are often such pussies.
What are you going to handle if you can't even handle framedips in videogames?
It's not like games are unplayable at 40 fps or anything.
Pathetic dipshits.
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@@oropher1234 games are unplayable below 45 fps for me, i get a massive headache.
i agree ots good to see multicore getting better usage. buttttt most of that is used for the drm. from my understanding this hame runs in a container (a vm) and then pushes out to the system itself. which is a TERRIBLE WASTE of cores in a game...
WHY am I finding out about this until now?? These videos are amazing !
I love these videos! Keep up the good work!
Is it possible to also add a CPU bottleneck video for these? FOr instance, high framerate 1080p gamers where the CPU is usually the limiting factor (ex my rig: 1080ti R7 1700).
Up!
I would love to see this too.
try everything at ultra, less FPS = less work for the CPU
If you stil fell the bottleneck try higher resolutions
@@weeabooslayer2563 And why should we want less fps?
To solve CPU bottleneck
Please don't stop doing these kind of videos, they're the best. I really want to know how a new game will run on my PC before buying it and you are doing an excellent job for that!
Ok I don't agree with the test methodology. From my experience with the previous games, most of the framerate drops come from heavy geometry intensive scenes and physics. Running the game in the benchmark mode means the developer can implement a heavy optimized fulcrum and LOD to give the impression the engine is more optimized in terms of drawcalls than it really is. Also keep in mind that whilst the majority of techsavvy HUB viewers run AMD Ryzen 5's, Intel still holds the market with their quadcore i5's. And even running midrange GPU's can leave you CPU bottlenecked if you're not careful with phsyics/geometry/detail settings. Running a 5ghz 9900K will place all the emphasis on the GPU, and some of the scaling that happens on the CPU side is obfuscated, especially when running 4K and you're at a lower framerate (less drawcalls). This test is definitely not conclusive as a result, and means people with weak CPU's will be confused about this video as they're not seeing the scaling presented here.
By the way, i'm not even talking about the fact that this completely goes over the predominant reasons people are experiencing poor framerate. Most of the times it's down to the in-engine framerate limiters and/or v-sync. Turning off V-sync and the framelimiter and using RTSS yourself negates 99% of the problems. This is especially true for people with G-sync/Freesync panels.
I think certain settings had to be shown from in game scenes and not the benchmark, some examples seem to be bad from the benchmark. You can see bigger diff in game, still nothing world moving but a bit.
The Benchmark says i get 125fps avg (i7 8700k and rtx 2070). The lowest Fps that i got in the benchmark was not even close to the 90fps~ avg on prometheus or what the name of the planet was.
@C Rizzy same, im never buying stuff at launch.
@@markodienie 8700K is ofc not a weak CPU. The discepancy will become worse the higher the fps in combination with a weaker cpu. Stutter is also predominantly caused by the cpu being the bottleneck instead of the gpu.
Good job guys! I rarely take the time to comment under this videos but this time you really deserve it.
these vids must take alot of time, take my like and thank you
These are my favorite videos for new games. I truly hope the effort to make them pays off for you guys, I really want to see you and the rest your crew stick around.
There's only one thing i'll add to the video... Please cap 60fps. That will decrease input lag significantly.
Excellent video!
Yeah if your display caps at 60hz...
Thank you so much for doing this guys! I got Borderlands over the weekend and my framerate has been pretty playable on ultra with fog and AO turned down to high. I didn't mess with the settings anymore as I wanted to play. I'm going to be adjusting them though for a much better framerate.
I have a 2080 super running at 1440p. running on ultra in a curtain city in Promethea i was getting around 40 to 50 fps avg... That is INSANELY bad for a game that isn't even THAT visually impressive. Will try these settings once I have the chance. Pretty frustrating that a new, high end gpu can't even play this at 60 fps consistantly at 1440p ultra and mind you, ultra isn't even the highest preset. Thanks for the great guide by the way!
When i go for ultra, i get 60-70 fps in cities with my 5700 xt, but thats not on 1440p tho, shouldnt 2080s be doing better?
@@bipsi15 it's in Lectra City that my gpu just melts and at 1440p it's demanding, but it shouldn't be THAT demanding. I'm pretty sure AMD cards are better optimized for this game though as the game I think is made on AMD hardware.
Alejandro yeah, i saw somewhere before the release, that amd gpu and CPU would have it much better in bl3. Also amd came out with a new driver the Day before bl3 release, with a 16% fps increase in bl3 😁
@@bipsi15 yea, don't know if it's Nvidia or gearbox, but someone definitely dropped the ball on this one. Still getting around 50 fps, but now it's in the jungle place, even with the settings in the video.
@@NQUSTN what resolution?
This is very good ! thank you
great video! running 3440x1440 with 2080ti getting about 80-95 fps.. gunna turn that fog down to get the 120 my monitor can do!
2080ti and only got a 120hz monitor?. weird.
@@MrOrangeSmash 3440x1440 120hz. Then 1920x1080 240hz. I play the sinlge player games on the ultrawide and the multiplayer on the 240
Im playing on 1440p as well with a rtx2080 ti and get on badass settings about 115-130 average
@@Skater17long 2560x1440 or 3440x1440?
Ultrawide monitors cap at 120 hz overclocked they can't figure out how to do 144hz ultrawide for some reason
came back to this game after finally getting a rtx 3080, hub quality with ultrawide hitting 110-130fps and fantastic fluid gameplay @dx12
much appreciated videos like this, im sure it takes hours of work trying to find the slight differences , thanks again Tim!!!!
Dude how lol, im on a 3080 at 1440p and with his hub performance settings struggle to get above 70 fps. I can't figure out why its so bad on fps. I switched back and forth between dx11 and dx12 and still can't get it to increase
I love these guides, please keep doing them.
Here is my tip for b3 ; wait for the steam release
Thanks for the video! Planning on playing this soon with a friend and I ran the benchmark and was playing around with the settings as well to see if I could spot any changes. By the way in the image comparison for Screen space Reflections I think the water is using a cubemap instead, even on the ultra preset. I'm betting that option effects things like reflective metallic surfaces more.
Value PCs are useless when their users are blindly playing games only on Ultra. Then they buy new parts every year or so and the value perspective is then non existent. More people need to realize that ultra settings generally suck. You guys are prolonging the lives of our PCs by a lot and that is really amazing. Keep it up! Looking forward to Cyberpunk 2077 optimization.
I have waited for this, thank you very much!
I literally can't use sniper rifles. My FPS goes UP but it feels like 5 fps it stutters so bad.
Knights of the Nine same Man, I no scope 99% of the time..
@@solemnmodz
Turns out it was just the texture streaming. Obviously I guess it's constantly streaming textures as you scope. So turning that setting down makes it better, but it almost make the game look like butt. Medium is a happy in between.
So helpful! Thank you for this!
anyone else in late 2020 with a high end system coming to hardware unboxed's video to try out his recommended settings to try and fix stuttering? lol :(
One weird thing is if you join a host that doesn't have stuttering, then your own stutters will magically go away until you go back to single player.
Great video man
Was checking for a specific gpu benchmark of the game and found this which answered my question
Very helpful indeed for anyone who isn't experienced with graphic settings 👌
Thanks for this. Increasingly one of the best tech RUclips channels.
Subscribed, never heard of this channel before, but this is an incredibly useful video. I'll definitely come back for more if you guys keep the format for later games!
I will pick this up when its available on steam Next Year. I refuse to buy anything from the Epic's Games Store.
Because you probably read some bullshit online written by people who don't know what they are talking about. Has been the case on all claims I've seen this far. If people only would educate themselves instead of copy-pasting arguments. Whatever you're going to say now (if you're going to say something), CHECK up the source, if it is actually TRUE and not just some claim by a whiny gamer.
@@Crow-sj6sf man when I hit "launch" I swear it's the same game when you hit "launch" on steam
@@Crow-sj6sf Third Party Exclusives have no business on any Platform. Plus They're buying games off steam. And forcing you to buy it on their store. Yeah i don't support those shady practices. I have a huge back log of games, so waiting an extra year is worth the wait.
Stop being a blind sheep !!!
@@DeadPhoenix86DP So by your own standards you shouldn't be supporting steam either then because they have exclusive games also. You're ignorant. Exclusives is done in basically ALL industries in the entire world. Educate yourself. You just wrong. You're COMPLETELY wrong and have NO idea what you're talking about. So now you have to look for another argument, which shows that it is NOT about the facts, but about smearing something because you decided that they're bad. You just can't find any valid reason as to why, because the problem is you, not them.
@@DeadPhoenix86DP bruh you're being the blind sheep here.
Wow! What a guide! Subbed :)
Thank you so much for the detailed breakdown
I just overclocked the hell out of my gt 730 to the point of self implosion and I get a solid 27 fps at 75% resolution and very low settings.
Dude...what a badass video! Thank you so much! I went from 65fps to over 100 on ultra with my 1080ti ftw3 and playing on a ultra wide monitor! ...Thanks for the great work!
but how do you fix the DRM?
#Soon
What a great video. Went from 65 FPS to 78 with just a couple of your suggested tweaks. Keep up the great work!
don't understand how in some areas I get 35 to 45 fps medium everything and I run 1060 6gb 16gb ram and r26k?
Ive got a 1070 and im running medium to low settings at 60ish
With my 1070 and a 2600x, even playing on Very Low, it still chugs down to 40-50 FPS during combat or walking around dense areas. Terribly optimised.
You should fresh install windows or somethin, i saw 60 fps or more with those gpus on High - Ultrasettings lol
@@Xenoray1 maybe in the start area, not so sure about the other planets. I'm even struggling with a 2070
I have the same but with 1060 :/
Tons of work put into this video. Thank you so much!
The human eye can't even see "Ultra Settings". You would get better FPS by overclocking your keyboard. That's the real secret sauce to performance.
But I don't have tweezers!
LOL this is great.
Could I just download some RGB instead?
Hopefully my swiss army knife has a screwdriver so that I can screw with confidence.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! I love how quickly you got this out and now I can make some mayhem with higher fps AND better visual quality.
Is dx12 fixed?
Seriously, these optimization guide videos are the best on the internet, not just youtube. It matches what my eyes tell me is no discernible difference, with great improvements in performance. I wouldn't have been able to play AC Odyssey with decent frame rates without that guide. I'm also enjoying Gears 5 much more from the recent guide. And Now with this video, I wouldn't have known how bad of a hit some of those settings were (Looking at you Volumetric Fogs, no pun intended.) Thanks Tim, keep them coming!
(Edit: just noting I play at 4K with a 2080Ti, 8700K, getting to 60FPS with native 4K is my goal)
@Hardware Unboxed Every channel that test 4k does it on Ultra and gets like 30fps with 2080ti. What graphics card would be sufficient for 60fps 4k, if for example you use AMD sharpening 70% res.scale and high/medium settings? Please make a video about the topic, I have searched for hours on YT with no results.
Keep up the amasing work you guys do and remember to "put shrimps on the barbie" every once in a while. 😉
anything above a 5700xt, some older pascal cards etc will run at 4k med-highish. what will run ultra settings with 60fps at 4k? some card thatll come ot in 4 years time.
@@seaghan6412 But with the new sharpening tool that scales/sharpens, 1440/1800 to 4k it will give +30% more performance at 4k and look almost as good. That is a video I would like to see, which graphics cards that would work, it feels like atleast 5700 xt would do a very good job.
This is a very well crafted video thank you, I’d be happy to see more of this for later games :)
I am literally on lowest settings possible with GTX 1060 and I struggle to get 60, how
same
Same with a 1080
Same
So fucking irritating. I don't even want to finish the game. I have a 1080ti and get such weird fuckin numbers. I'll be looking in one direction and get 130+, turn around and drop to -55?
And im running medium/high with a 1060 3gb with solid 60 going down to 45 in big fights.. It's a clusterfuck of optimization.
Great video, thanks for the tips. I was able to turn up many of the features I had turned down with practically no FPS loss.
save yourself time 15:14 for best settings, You're welcome :)
It makes my head hurt just thinking how much work it took to capture so many videos with benchmarks where only one setting is changed 4 times...you guys are insane. And I love you for it :D
For real! I see comments like 'I guess Steve is off benchmarking' and I know it's probably in jest, but Tim puts a shitload of time and effort into these too and I appreciate the lengths he goes to.
That sucks. No physx. Tthat was one of my favorite things about borderlands 2. Use Maya's phase lock and watch slag, corrosion, and debris fly every where.
LMAO PHYSX IN 2019 🤡
It has physx, physx 3.3 is the physics engine in unreal engine 4.
Gpu particles works on any gpu, the old physx is an outdated version that developers only used after 2010 if Nvidia gave them a big check.
Seems like you're a fool who fell for Nvidia marketing, every modern game uses more advanced gpu particle effects than the old version 1 of physx did for Nvidia cards back in the day. Locking it away was only a marketing stunt
@@wile123456 IDK. I havnt really seen bl3 game play yet. I didnt see the physx option so i was dissapointed to not see it. But i hope its like or better. Bl2 physx looks quite different from what ive seen in different games. particles, liquids, and cloth interaction. even sparked particles bounce around.
wow... WOW!! Why isn't this sort of thing all over the place? using rx580 here. went from 38fps to 61 fps in the benchmark using the HUB Quality suggestion... and I cant notice any difference in quality! Dear god! Keep'em comming and thanks very much!
Do you use dx 11 or dx 12?I'm using rx 580 too but stuttering is pretty bad
Damn I could max BL2 at 1080p with a GTX 580, so youd think a GTX 980 Ti would be able to do 4k max settings
Guess not
Quick note the 980ti was a beast when released but it is now about the same performance as a 1070GTX or a 1660ti. Still good for many games but not at 4k max.
This has so much value, it's so informative and must be such pain in the ass to do! 3 steps above any Digital Foundry analysis! Thank you so much!
i have a 3700x rtx 2080 and 16gb of ram, dx12 runs better than dx11 for me
Thanks for the breakdown per setting!
What about Denuvo?
Am sure it's eating like 5% and no way to turn it off
I think Steam version (2020) with no Denuvo, because they knew people will pirate it just because it's exclusive for Epic Store
Still.. optimization is crap considering this graphics like PS3 era, hope they optimize it further with later updates
Anyone who has actually played the game will know how wrong you are about the graphics
@@FROEZOEN
I looked a lot of videos and all I can see they improved lightnings & added fog, no other things improved overall
Am BL fan myself, but am not gonna be a low IQ fan who praise graphics just because it's GearBox
aboud alaboud play the game before you form your shitty opinion.
Thank you so much, buddy. I was wondering why my pc was chugging so much with the ultra preset when it usually handles other games fine, and this explained it all. Love these videos.
They need to fix the splitscreen performance in PS4. Kind of lagging esp. accessing inventory & skills.
The Quality setting took my framerate from 42 to a solid 60. You rock man
The performance is so horrible!
WTF were they thinking!
people dont want to wait so company release it early. thats what they get.