What grinds my gears the most about VH's involvement is Amara. She's a siren and literally everyone acts like she isn't there. Sirens were a central point to this game's story, and probably, amara was the strongest among them. But hey, we had to develop Ava
@@declicitous1763 There were three possibilities: 1) having Amara more included in the story, making the other vault hunters useless; 2) having her be an npc, making her more involved but not having a playable siren; or 3) have her be playable but not as involved as she could be
Nah my bl2 game glitched when I first played it so I didn’t realize I wasn’t normal that every time I had reloaded sanctuary all the cutscenes for Marcus Zad and Scooter would all resets and though it was annoying I still didn’t mind too much
Path of exile has this sticker book type thing for legendaries that doubles as a storage. I think that would be a cool solution. Having a sort of rogue-like draft feature for guns/talents would be fun too. I'm not a big fan of min/max optimization. but i like trying out random combinations of things and trying to be as efficient w/ whats in front of me.
I agree with the cut scene even said it to my friend when scenes like Mayas death came around saying things like "what are we doing right now jerking off in the corner why don't we just shot at them or stop them from doing it" like if we are there at least give a reason why we as a character can not intervein like a perfect example of this is when the loader takes Rowland in BL2 we physically could not help him behind the bars lead us to have to chase the loader
Borderlands should really utilize their Vault Hunters more instead of just writing the dialogue of the story solely focusing on Lilith's POV I mean honestly it feels like that.
I agree that mayhem could be done better, the modifiers can be frustrating. But I definitely believe a way to scale the difficulty is so important. During playthrough 1, especially coop, you just wreck too hard and the game length just becomes tedious. Large health pools with bosses just disappear too quickly. What I love about Borderlands 3 is that the bosses do some interesting mechanics, think of Katagawa and Agonizer. But before mayhem mode the game feels to easy, especially for veteran borderlands and FPS fans like myself. Mayhem is a welcomed sight, but it would be great to add it from the start and yeah, maybe be able to disable the modifiers. Modifiers can be fun to muck around with when playing with your friends, especially those who are casual about this game. Gunplay I still think this game nailed it compared to the other entries. Sliding and slamming and snappy aiming, I like it better. Though I am sure people would disagree. I just think anointment detract from skills and skill trees too hard. The power should come from the vault hunter and affinity with the weapons and gear itself, not based on appointments.
On top of the lack of vault hunter impact/involvement, they literally stripped away the involvement of the BL2 vault hunters Instead of Maya, Axton, Salvador and Zero defeating the Warrior and killing Jack, it was Lilith. Considering all she did in that fight was lying on the ground and shouting “The lava’s rising!” its practically insulting to credit her.
I haven't played 3 in a long while, I was watching a video yesterday and it talked about Lilith. I said out loud how I hated that after she died they didn't give Ellie Sanctuary to run, I've never been a fan of Lilith really, and my girlfriend yelled, "THE LAVAS RISING" from the kitchen and said fuck her lol. Man, that story in 3 sucked ass.
Just one thing about that Canonically, she did kill Jack. There's a lot of choices you can make in the games that ultimately aren't canon. It's not really a new thing.
@@wizgi7201 Then they should have played that cutscene the moment you pick the relic inside, not make you get out of the vault, aprocach Maya, and press E to trigger it, it's just dumb.
i could imagine zane actually saying that lol, while amara saying "nope im not a siren i aint part of this lmao", flak "king dragon sends his regards".
Thats why Rolands death worked so well in BL2 because of how fast Jack appeared behind him and shot him, felt like there is nothing anyone could've done. Meanwhile we stand there as Lilith gets her powers choked outta her or as Maya got melted or whatever the hell happened to her , absorbed/leached into Troy i guess
@@zebfirehd9102 Eh, at that point in the game in your first playthrough, Zero isn't that high leveled. So it's passable to say he's not at the point he could do something like that yet.
@@RemedieX if we are going on that than Roland is lv 69 and when you fight jack hes only 32 so Roland's would be way to high for jack to 1 shot him when hes 30+ lvs higher. your assessment only makes sense if the leveling was just a game mechanic since how could roland have lose so many levels from the first game after fighting so many enemy's before 2 even if we were just counting the first playthrough story we are still talking about lv40+ so it still can't be use to say that it matters. Plus at the very start of the game we see zero in action its just so out of character what happens in that room with the VHs with the others to just stand there so idle.
@@zebfirehd9102 My assessment was to suggest that Zero wasn't skilled enough to execute Jack because he wasn't capable of it yet. You as the player, the VH, have them fight throughout the entire game and that's how they learn and become the lethal machines they're known to be in the present. We take them from newbie VH's to killing machines.
Exactly! The cutscenes really make the players feel left out. For instance, making Ava head of Sanctuary? When it was the Vault Hunters that did all the real work, no acknowledgement whatso ever.
I wouldn't use dead island as a bench mark for good character development as it's corny as hell and the acting is garbage. Not only that but the characters supposed arcs if you can even call them that are shallow af and the people they want you to care about have little to no impact to the story aside from one character who literally is just a glorified pack mule
oh you mean the cutscene that could have been a branching off point with so much promise of troy being a twist hero. i agree because that cutscene felt off compared to the rest of the game.
The removal of Maya’s funeral was honestly criminal, that literally has to be the worst thing for me. I realize that it is needed for the story but after that there’s basically nothing
It's so weird. Roland did not have a funeral per say, but you had the option to go around and alert sanctuary and hear a lil about the citizen's relationship with Roland. also the quest was optional. They dropped the ball.
@@blimby2416 maybe its a sign that BL3 staffs themselves dislike the idea that Maya has to die, plus it ruins Krieg progression for the future. I honestly hope that 3 gets a main story retcon
@@pokeyscorpion8224 Yeah but that itself is just bad direction and storytelling. BL3 didn't need a playable siren but because it had been so long since the pre sequel which didn't have a playable siren so really BL2, BL3 had to have a playable siren. Which is worrying because the next BL won't have a siren because of the 6, 3 are known, Lilith is probably still alive so that leaves Tyreens and maybe Steeles powers unaccounted for because there's no way they'll give a player the seventh power. And since we've already seen Tyreens that means Steeles power is really the only one that they can use for a new siren. The entire playable siren and new vault hunters every game system has set up a cycle where a pre established character is pretty much gonna have to die every few games and as BL3 shows they're shit at handling that.
@@bradleyedson8596 People would’ve been even MORE upset if there wasn’t a playable siren in the main series game, so it was better to have one than to not. (I refer to the pre-sequel as a canon spinoff, keeps things simpler)
@@pokeyscorpion8224 That was part of my point. I didn't really make it clear that's my bad. BL3 needed a siren because of how long since the last BL but story wise it would've been better to not have a playable siren. The vault hunters in BL3 already feel disjointed from the story and Amara doubly so due to being a vault hunter siren in a a game where sirens are the most included they've ever been and vault hunters being there while not being there. I'm just saying that when it comes to Amara they really dropped the ball.
What you said about Aurelia made me realize something, despite how much time we spent on Eden 6 it is the least impactful section of the entire game! Tanis did get kidnapped, but that could've happened anywhere. Hell, we only go back there once in any endgame content or dlc!
Tbf there's only like 3 missions on Athenas, we pick up a vault key fragment, kill a minor villain and piss off, what did we actually do there??? Eden 6 at least has places to go to and explore, they didn't even give us that for Maya's home, it's just a straight line to the finish
Eden 6 feels like the longest and most * boring* part of the game. I haven't played through the pre sequel- mostly because I can't figure out how to install the unofficial patch and can't justify using Gibbs save editor to give me legendaries- but I'm going to have to go back and play as each.
I feel so vindicated with your section on Aurelia. I was mortified when I saw they made her into just a plain villain. She was never even a villain in TPS. When Jack kills the scientists on Helios, if you get Aurelia's reaction, even she is put back from it and doesn't like it yet she's all for having a cult for some reason? She was simply a bitch and that was OK. I was so excited to see her involvement...
She was an add on character and not part of the main pre-sequel cast. She was a broken character and the lack of interest in the additional characters at time of release (including gaige, kreig, and timothy) is why GB didn't bother making more hunters this go around. She most definately was a villan. the entire Presequel cast was. Hell, the main villans of the series are Roland and Lilith if I remember correctly. Their betrayal is the reason that Jack's psycho got turned to 11.
@@vaguedreams Krieg isn't part of the main Borderlands 2 cast, and neither was Gaige, but here we are with dlc's surrounding them lmao they weren't all villains either, and Aurelia's reactions to certain events solidify that her being a stone cold bitch isn't her only personality trait, that she does care and doesn't really want to do (all) shit that seems questionable in nature; on top of that, a lot of the cast had no idea what they were in for, and Jack seemed relatively alright until certain events (especially when Lilith shows up at the end and smashes his face as he gets the vision of what is going to happen in BL2) one of her lines is quite literally telling Jack to fuck off when he requests you to shoot some random surrendering soldier
@@BlackWACat I don't understand the points you are trying to make and the wall of text does not help. I get you may be responding on a phone, I do it also, but I know for a fact that you can press enter and put in spaces. Correct, Krieg isn't part of the main cast. I actually said that. I also never said Krieg or Gage were villains either. They most definitely are though. None of the vault hunters are good guys.
@@vaguedreams No but they weren't total asshats either, they had a reason to do the things they did. Lilith and Roland seeing a big laser in any corperate blowhards hands is bad enough so sabotaging the Helios was a good thing to do. As for punching the relic well that was just trying to ensure that Jack didn't get what he wanted and was a bit asshat on Liliths part but to say they made Jack when he was a bit unhinged in the first place is a bit of a longshot. Now what they did with Aurelia was turn a complicated 3d character into a boring 2D, single chapter antagonist as if the whole chapter was written before the Pre-Sequel was even done.
@@vaguedreams are you dyslexic or something like god damn reading isn't hard. Oh sorry my bad. Are You Dyslexic Or something Like god damn Reading isn't hard.
1. The treatment of og vault hunters (including dlc ones) 2. The way they didn't include the vhs in cut scenes like you said, although bl2 was the exact same 3. The sluggish ass story 4. The way they handled Maya's death and Ava as a character 5. Plus the presequel ending being basically thrown to the curb
@@doctorsno906 yeah but still even through we did not see them the characters still acknowledge them being in the room while in three they do not see them at all and still that so called scene about Maya funeral is still a slap to the face because still at the end of the day ava gets her killed.
Borderlands pre-sequel was what they should have done with the writing the characters talk there are some unique lines from characters but not to many to alter which give a reason to play someone else it’s sad that a game by far older the bl3 got it better
Exactly the community shits on TPS but a lot of things especially the writing were the best in TPS hands down, instead they got writers for 3 who felt like they played the games once half paying attention to the dialogue and cutscenes and threw the story together in an afternoon.
@@NinjaTyler I don’t think people really hate on TPS, it is mainly a bunch of self-proclaimed game reviewers who hate it even though they haven’t played a single borderlands game. And even if the fans were saying it’s shit, they’re definitely the loud minority. But what you were saying about TPS is 100% is was a great game, with an excellent storyline that not only connects with the telltale game ( even if it was telltale who connected the two ), but it somehow makes you care for jack, despite how egomaniacal and sadistic he is. To top it all off, it sets up borderlands 3 perfectly with a story, that they completely retconned in favour of some bullshit “ coming-of-age “ self-discovery siren shit, and the two worse villains of the entire franchise, however typhon was an absolute G.O.A.T.
Yeah, it's so much better, you're not just "vault hunter", "killer", or "sup", NPC's actually use your name to adress you on a lot of dialogue, and if you are playing Athena it's even better for imersion, your character is literally the one telling the story, it was amazing. Skill trees (don't confuse with action skills) are the best in the entire series, like holy shit, depending on what you spec with Wilhem you change his entire character model, it's not just stat increses, Aurelia and Jack also get a lot of unique dialogue depending on what you spec. Butt Slam in TPS is miles better, i would constantly try to use it to initiate combat, and during combat, in BL 3 the only times i use it is to get down from a high place faster lol.
The biggest thing for me was turning legendaries from an *event* to an expectation. It's not legendary if I can't go for a walk without tripping over 10 of them.
It's definitely different. Does pave the way for character customization though, which is what I think they were going for since they have anoints crisscrossing with action skills and melee/slam effects. The combinations are a rabbit hole you could be falling down for ages
I agree to a certain extent: I personally don’t enjoy farming for literally days for a legendary to drop just for it to roll with the worst parts available, but I also believe bl3 is too generous with the drops. I think bl1 and pre sequel had the correct balance
@@ZachIdso I think they should lower drop rates but remove anointments. This would make legendaries feel exciting again. They don't have to nerf drop rates too much but it would be nice to actually get excited just seeing a legendary where right now I just assume it sucks and doesn't have the right anointments, taking away from what should be a heart-skipping moment.
I made a reddit post that a lot of people agreed about for the cutscene thing.. it really is one of the most annoying things in BL3.. Anyway, the part where Lilith loses her powers, that cutscene happens *immediately* after the garage door thing shuts on us and she gets ambushed. We are separated from her and frantically moving around the ship's building facility to get to that other side. By the time we get to her, Tyreen already summoned her followers there and left the scene, and Lilith already lost her powers. Lilith even chokes on her last words as a siren calling out to us telepathically while we are running to save her. So that is fairly excusable serious cutscene where we couldn't do much within. (I'm not sure why this scene is one of the biggest arguments, because its really clear we are separated from her during that scene.) *Spoilers* (Even though you really shouldn't be here unless you've finished the game) HOWEVER, My argument for the cutscene thing, is, right after we kill Troy, Tyreen take's his powers and goes power trip mode and lasers us and throws rocks at us. (but very confusingly, the Vault Hunter just doesn't exist in that scene despite literally just killing Troy, Tyreen pays NO MIND to the Vault Hunter who just KILLED her brother. We just, _pop out of existence._ Wouldn't she right then and there just do her absolute best out of rage/just getting us out of the way so we don't ruin her plans? Apparently not, she just forgets we are a thing, and aims for Lilith, Ava, and Patricia. Then when she does her cringy botcam sign off thing and leaves, we just _pop back into existence._ ^^^^ That is what really urged the thought for me, and made me super unimmersed in the storyline.
The vault hunters true abilities aren't their beast/clone/ironbear/siren abilities. Its actually their power to delete themselves from existence whenever something bad is happening then coming back right after its done.
It's funny to because if you play as flak during that cutscene(and many others) your pet can puke up ammo every once and awhile and will continue doing so during the cutscene even though it's invisible the ammo still falls out of nothing in the cutscene, so we should be standing right there but we arent
@@temhunter6341 I do play flak! And I noticed a lot of invisible guns running around during my cutscenes, only to figure out later it's my pet with a gun in his mouth ready to spit it out at me. XD
honestly for your end boss cutscene thing it would have worked a whole lot better if she literally downed you and ava (yes the useless idiot) helps you back up as the two others basically held her off (not draw her attention but hold her off) until you got back up. it could have been an epic fight with the firehawk helping you move around a shattered battle feild while you work on defeating her while ava does her best to revive people (it is really the only way to make her useful without breakingimmersion since she has no combat experience) and tannis sending in troops. i mean it is the fate of whatever left to a suicidal siren, somehow a siren, miss whiny, and the player versus a corrupt youtuber who touched the most powerful vault yet.
The cut scenes definitely pulled me out of the games narrative, especially with the exposition dumps from other characters. You could cut half the dialog in this game and it would still be bloated with nonsensical banter and humorless jokes. Also, I totally agree with the anointment system. It would make more sense if the anointments were cheaper to reroll. Or at least give us the option to buy eridium with the literal mountains of useless money you can accumulate.
@@jnaples6307 You can sort of buy eridium with one of the slot machines. Although if you can buy eridium then I'd say just get rid of it as it is then functionally the same as money and instead of having two interchangeable currencies, just have one. I personally think eridium was a bit of a pointless currency in both BL2 and BL3; seemed like someone thought it was a good idea at some point and have been trying to force it into the game every since.
Though the BL2 writing wasn't always great I replayed thru the game so many times. The sheer relentless amount of awful writing for 3 however makes the game unplayable for me. Less time actually playing than having to sit throughl that garbage. Could just save quit constantly to try and work around it, but who can be bothered
Even if Aurelia was kept a villain they could have ended it with her surrendering to us and then her dropping loot as a bargaining chip So that she could have stayed in the story imo, cos even to me it felt wasted to off her
i think it wouldve been cool to have each character start in their own little tutorial space as a solo playthrough and then each world or tutorial path they come from merge into the real part of the game where each character gets on the bus at the same time (the more people in your party the more you see in the bus cutscene) it would show where each person came from and their goals / reasoning for being where they are now.
@@boxtank5288 hey slow down there you know the rules. you will get it at the end of the tutorial area. thus giving a reason for said tutorials being their origin story.
Aurelia was terrible. Even in the pre sequel she admitted to not being as bad as jack over some things. She still had a conscious, even if limited. In bl3 they took out all her character and personality and just made her rich.
Re. Point 5, I think it's amplified by the fact that in the cutscene after killing Troy Calypso, the game *literally forgets* the Vault Hunters are there. They phase out of existence with no explanation, then phase back into existence once the cutscene ends. Most of the other cutscenes establish a premise where the Vault Hunters are seperated from the scene, eg. Maya's death happens presumably while you were looting the vault, but in that specific case Gearbox genuinely just forgot to establish that kind of excuse.
I mean Mayas cutscenes happens when you leave the vault tho
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I always thought Lilith's and Maya's scenes were excusable (but still shit), with us being trapped while Lilith gets ambushed and us presumably looting the vault like you said or just travelling back through the portal in Maya's case, but yeah there is alot of times the Vault Hunters just literally disappear, when Typhon dies we were at the same place, when Troy dies too, and when Tyreen dies. Its just so mindnumbingly dumb.
I agree with pretty much everything but especially Aurelia. She was my favorite VH in TPS and I was super excited to see her in BL3 as a sort of snobby anti-hero type character especially because we start to see her grow a bit of a conscious by the end of TPS. She could have been someone who deep down we and everyone else knows wants to do good but her upbringing and overall attitude makes it hard for her to do so but those cracks would be there and perhaps Hammerlock or someone else could have been a driving force to help her good side come out. But yeah a big waste. Super disappointed about how that turned out.
Recently replayed TPS and after being reminded about the ending and of Aurelia's character starting to improve by the end, I couldn't agree more. They could've done so much, but it's as if they either threw TPS to the curb or completely forgot about it/never played it.
@@windrider2190 Yeah that’s another thing. It really does suck how it feels like they pretty much retconned most of TPS in BL3. There’s the stuff with Aurelia, the stuff with the watcher and gathering the vault hunters, and there’s zero mention about the people living on Elpis when Troy starts to zap the moon and then Lilith does her thing to it. It’s like they forgot there’s a whole civilization of people living on there. The least they could do was make a comment about “oh my god all those people on there are dead” or “the people of Elpis are evacuating the moon” or something.
@@Kr8zySteve yeah, the new writers for 3 seem to have no experience with the franchise or played through it all once half paying attention to the story, so many characters were absent or used horribly wrong in 3 to the point I just don't accept 3 as canon with the insane amount of plot holes it has and missteps it took. Almost none of the new characters are memorable outside the side villains and the bear.
She was my favorite vh in TPS too. They’ve killed some of my favorite playable characters. Roland, Maya, and now Aurelia. Roland I can understand, but the writing for the other two was terrible in my opinion.
@@Kr8zySteve funny thing, Tales of Borderlands do have relation to TPS (love between Athena and Elpis girl) and BL3 has relation to Tales of Borderlands partially (Rhys, Vaughn, death of Scooter), so it is not like thrown away, but mostly forgotten. And Elpis still is a holder for the Eridian part of the History (big Vault and massive eridium location).
1. The direction of the story. Hoped they would've continued what was set up in TPS, but seems like they're doubling down on this Ava siren plot.. defiantly made clear with the latest DLC 2. Sidestepping literally all the OG characters, even the ones in the game were hollow and tossed aside 3. Playable VH's still not part of the story My big three anyways
maya>ava as they made maya quite dumb to promote ava (as she knew the twins could obsorb people before the boss, but she somehow though it best idea to grab troy who can touch/absorb her within seconds)
I love how they were like, there’s a war coming you’ll need all the vault hunters. Cool Idea gets thrown out the window for a shit story with these empty dumb streamer villains. The Borderlands 2 story wasn’t amazing but handsome Jack was such an amazing villain it made the story good
He was also mostly as great as he was because a lot of his lines were improvised. Notice how he wasn't as interesting in tps? It's because they had more of it written out, less wiggle room
I think the story of bl2 was good because it didn't stop you every fucking second, there's like 4 cutscenes in the entire game, meanwhile in bl3 there's cutscenes when they're not even necessary, not to mention all the problems with them like the character not being there
Maya's death was done so horribly that I played the rest of the game genuinely believing 90% she'd come back to life somehow. I was sure she put herself in that little book or something lmao. I was so disappointed by the end of the game man she's like my first fictional character crush and she's one of the best characters in the series imo 😭
I disagree about Aurelia. While I don't feel the plot was great with Aurelia, she's always been a bitch to everyone and not a true team player. She was a villain even when she was the vault hunter we played as in the Pre-Sequel. Just like Wilhelm and Nisha. I get what you're saying with "need all the vault hunters" but TPS was all about the bad enemies. I agree with everything else 100% though. Oh and the anointments have improved a bit, but like you, I wish they just never existed. That said, I just did every piece of endgame content on my Torgue Amara (Torgue is probably the worst manufacturer in BL3) and used some of the worst anointments.
She might be a bitch, but that doesn't make her stupid. She's supposed to be smart enough to know that the COV are basically blithering idiots and not very good for things living. Considering she's a thing that is living, and considering she likes living, I have my doubts she'd join them if she were a bit more in-character. Hell, that's the whole reason Marcus is in Sanctuary in 2 and 3, he's smart enough to recognize huge threats to him and his business when he sees them and he works accordingly. Also, joining up with the COV would mean being subservient to Tyreen, and Aurelia ain't about that.
@@luca7675 This might sound weird, but I don't see her character as caring about vague goals much at all. She's turborich and never really tried to covet power quite like what the COV could offer her. She's "made it" in life, the stuff she does is mostly for fun, not for power. I don't doubt that's what her motivation is, but I'd also say she wasn't written in-character for the majority of the game.
Remember when the lead writer of BL2 said his biggest regret was killing Nisha. And if nothing has been retconned yet a war where as many vault hunters are needed sounds a lot more interesting when there's ones that are bad and maybe even irredeemable, possibly to sabotage and/or profit off the whole thing. My point is I think Borderlands benefits a lot more have recurring villains than friendly vault hunters since without them all the pressure is on new main antagonists who if aren't "Handsome Jack levels" of good antagonist makes the whole game feel lackluster. Plus judging by the writing of new bad guys, (personally to me with the exceptions of the Truants, Freddy, and Troy if written better), they're gonna want to not kill off the well written ones so soon.
Except Aurelia actually had a turn around in her character towards the end of the claptastic voyage, she was sick of Jack, she didn't stick around to betray claptrap and she was genuinely mortified of their poor treatment towards him, it was also established in a special AMA that Gaige and Axton broke into one of her mansions and abducted her to recruit her for the upcoming "War".
I never thought of Aurelia all that much besides the personality (Which I absolutely fucking adored honestly). But watching this video did actually make me realize and say: "Holy shit. . .this was such a missed/absolutely wasted opportunity. Imagine what more they could've done with her with they didn't FUCKING KILL HER!" One thing I certainly wished was making her a playable character again in future titles outside of the Pre-Sequel. So much potential, thrown away and burned. .
I absolutely agree on the topic of swapping the entirety of Eden-6 for having Aurelia as an ally. 'Going Rouge' was a prolonged side quest that somehow ended up in the main story, thereby ruining my enjoyment of the quest for the fact that I'm forced to trudge through it instead of taking my time with it later. Also... Ava is a brat whose insolence led to Maya's death, and her being rewarded with command of Sanctuary is fucking insulting. The gameplay is stellar, so I'm still playing. If they screw up the story as badly again though, I might be done with the franchise.
I feel like Ava was a good/okay character until you left Athenas, and then the writing turned to shit. Huge amount of potential that they wasted by making her cause Maya’s death, one of the best written characters they had (imo)
@@scythe2534 it's not even just that she fucked up, it's that she doesn't get really punished for any of it. The only punishment she gets, everybody else gets too.
@@scythe2534 They should have just had the moment where reality ensues. Like she sees a chance and goes for it, rushes Tyreen and Troy, only to then get intercepted and JUST as Maya arrives with Vault Hunters in tow, we watch Ava get her fucking neck snapped by Troy while Tyreen mocks her and us VICIOUSLY. Boom! You got your 'These two must fucking die!' moment and Maya gets a little side arc which would make sense as her ward died on HER watch! Blaming herself for enabling Ava's worst habits (which got her killed) on top of this. Then when Lilith does her little sacrifice, she hands the reigns to Maya (who hopefully will have gotten through the grief, in fact taking the failure and using it as fuel for the fire) and we thus avoid the bullshit of Unworthy folk getting command.
Aurelia legit got the best skill tree set (design and theme wise) out of every. Single. Vh. Also her sniping tree and synergies are beyond we ever seen even on zer0, who is already a design masterclass as VHs goes...
Based on the class and opinion in here subjective. For Aurelia I built not sniper but frost queen mostly, where the third tree was just a spare coin. So saying that her tree is most is more like subjective opinion. I don't compare whole trees, but as a character of bl2 and tps, good trees are for next characters: Athena Aurelia Krieg Zero Noticable: Gaige Nysha I didn't play for Axton at all ever, partially played as Timopthy and Claptrap, average played as Salvador, Maya, Wilhelm But that is subjective. Athena and Aurelia in TPS are best for me as well as Krieg and Zero in BL2. But if for the score, then it is hard to choose between three (Athena, Aurelia and Krieg), because that is why we like Borderlands - huge explosions, bullet hell and destroy everything.
She had 2 good trees. I didnt like the co op tree because...it required co op. They shouldve had an option where you could effectively use the tree in single player. Personally all the vhs in the presequel were well made. The trees were fun with good synergie. They allowed the use of off the wall weapons and made you feel powerful with absolutely decimating or dying if stopped shooting for half a sec. The skill trees changed the way your character played and thus your play style. Athena and he elemental tree was hell of fun for me. Dot damage everywhere. Jacks clones and making them ultra powerful tanks or bombs that blow up every second.
@@naturesfinest2408 there is a difference between a tree being bad and situational. Also the tree still worked on single player (you would lose a few points) but that happens to every character in a way or another when building. Her advantage was that they "over synergized" the rest to compensate that's why she is so straight foward and so good at what she does (which also compliments the design of the character, which adds to the point I made) Aurelia is legit a masterclass in design.
I think anointments should have just been character specific, and related to the action skill or some other fundamental part of the character like Fl4k’s pets. Bonuses towards the skill, or buffing your character in an interesting way that isn’t just damage. They also should have had lesser buffs. Like small bonuses not equal in power to the item
That's an interesting thought. I think I agree. It must be so annoying for other Vault Hunters to constantly see Iron Bear active annoints. Though I'm a moze main so I'm good haha.
getting those buffs for characters that arent yours, and even so for the action skill you dont have active, is one annyoing thing to deal with! i pretty much stick with amara's grasp but most of the buffs i get are for the other stuff so i have to scrap using that weapon or painfully pay for a chance to reroll that thing to something useful. also 250 eridium is too high of a price for a reroll, especially for those that only play that game casually and arent set to grind their ass off :/
The fundamental problem is that they created a more impactful version of prefixes, but instead of each weapon having 5-8 possible anointments there are like dozens and most of them are worthless. It’s just another source of damage, except unlike prefixes there’s zero trade off so endgame is balanced heavily around perfect anoints.
Thing is, your talents start to matter less the more guardian ranks you get. The thing I hate the most in BL3 was: 1) The plot from Pre-Sequel with the guardian is never mentioned 2) When the game was announced they confirmed they will NOT be adding new vault hunters as DLC...
I dont mind not having dlc vault hunters Cause what if you dont like them and soent 10 bucks on the chatacter? Thats 10 bucks for someone youll ever use or force yourself to use then and not have a good time with it
Realistically though, what would adding more vault hunters do, besides more gameplay. As stated in the video, the 4 base vault hunters are barely in the game story-wise. In borderlands 2, they at least had dlc where they mentioned the other vault hunters, I.e the Son of Crawmerax and the attempted assassinations, including unique dialogue for each character In response to their respective assassins. And all of this is in a side quest for a 3-5 hour MAX dlc, which in total ( at least as far as I can remember ) is more than what they did for the 4 main vault hunters In borderlands 3. So if they can do that in a headhunter pack, then gearbox have no excuse for what they did in bl3. * sorry I went on a tangent, I tend to do that when writing stuff
I think the Pre-sequel did the whole “make your vaulthunter feel apart of the story” the best despite Jack’s arc being the main focus. I think this is purely because everything that happened in each scene was something that your character wouldn’t have been able to stop no matter which character you took. Or at the very least restrained your character. Additionally, certain story aspects had signature responses to what your character said. While in the grand scheme of things, the responses did not change anything about the story, it did make it feel like your character was actually there rather than you speaking and then the NPC replying with the same lines they would have for every character. Love or hate the Pre-sequel, you have to admit it did a lotta good things with its characters.
Artifact drop rates... Considering they can make a difference with their passives, it makes farming them a pain (the Company Man and White Elephant being the primary examples of this).
@@Sylas6540 9 different Company Man's (Men's?) and 3 random legendary stats and then 3 more random stats. All of them which have to all be good or the artifact itself is trash and you only get 1 or 2 per kill and the chances of you getting a good one let alone a god one is probably around 1 in 1000 and not everyone is able to kill Hemovorous and or Vermivorous easily.
When/if Borderlands 4 comes out, it truly has the potential to be the best borderlands game. If it can keep the great things about bl3 and fix its errors. (Story, anointments, mayhem levels, etc...) Man, it could be perfect
I liked the mayhem levels a lot better than the op levels of bl2. The only realy improvement for all players would be to turn off modifiers at all levels.
@@metallicnole4514 agree OP levels get ridiculously hard to the point you need very specific gear in all characters Mayhem is nice but those modifiers are sometimes annoying instead of challenging
@@brokenbiscuit3609 It has potential, provided the war the watcher talked about in the pre-sequel was not in borderlands 3 (which I doubt it was becaue while big, the watcher had no involvement so even if it was originally bad writing that kept him out, they now have a lore reason for an even bigger and more badass war. I definitely think that the tiny tina's wonderland game (which may be set between 2 and 3 I don't know honestly) has potential and will probably attempt to rectify some lore issues and overall issues in borderlands 3
I imagine the Maya vs twins cutscene was supposed to play while the Vault Hunters were still inside the vault, but Gearbox being Gearbox, screwed that up somehow.
I might speak for a small majority but farming items in this game on PS4 is the primary reason I don’t play anymore. The load times are insane, and it kills any drive I have to play when I spend more time just staring at the screen than actually doing anything. It’s a shame too, the gameplay of BL3 is fantastic but getting there is a chore I can’t be bothered with.
BL3 is one of the most unoptimized games I’ve played in recent years. It’s so horrible. I agree that the gameplay is great and imo the best it’s ever been in the series but holy fuck the load times are atrocious
Tbh Bltps graphics is perfectly fine with me. Fans wanted superior graphics... and tadda!!!! Now we have BL3 but it suffers from lag and very slow loading times (unless u own a powerful new gen hardware). Sometimes fans complain too much
I literally have to find things to do while I farm. Folding clothes has never been so easy haha. Load times can suck my ass They need a respawn mechanic. They can already do it I mean just look at scrap trap
I said it one and I'll say it again, the Aurelia fight should've been like Bloodwing's boss fight, you fight but not kill her and when she's in her critical condition, Hammerlock asks her if she still wants to work with the Calypso's, she'll begrudgingly join you but she'll have some side missions that will make her start liking the Crimson Raiders along with the player
@@dunkindognuts3345 yes she was a bad bitch but she still had limits, like in the Pre -Sequel she didn't like the downwards spiral Jack was going into, and one of her voice lines indicate she does regret the abuse she gave to her brother, but if she didn't have all that, just killing off a character we go to know so much about, so unceremoniously just feels weird
@@FunvoltGunvolt TPS was literally all villains man they may have had voice lines that said hes over the top but they still followed him in the end also the small animal torture in echos indicates sociopath meaning her regrets could have just been interpretations of how she felt she should feel she was a villian and died a villain its fitting
@@dunkindognuts3345 i mean hammerlock says it himself "she's not exactly evil". even in the end of the pre sequel she had the guts to tell jack to off himself. she was even one of the only vh that felt bad for claptrap in claptastic voyage.
You make an excellent point on the anointments, I would also add the lack of DLC Vault Hunters, Bl2 and the pre-sequel had 2, the new skill trees are fine, but essentially its one vault hunter plus a skill tree, instead of two vault hunters with 3 skill trees a piece which encourage two new playthroughs (I played all 5 to max Op level in Bl2 for example) id have those over the Directors Cut missions
@@Ragstag Totally agree, its a good idea on paper but by making multiples it took away from the whole uniqueness of them (Such making Amara the Siren goddess to rule them all)
The main reason why BL2 felt so fluid was the lack of actual cutscenes, many of them were in game and so made us FEEL as a part of the story. You could go refill ammo, buy/sell weapons, eroding upgrades accept side quests all the while the “cutscene” is playing at the same time and doesn’t throw you out of the story. The only times cutscenes that were used was for the crucial moments; rolands death or the end of the game. I wouldn’t count the intro scenes as “crucial” but they are awesome for setting/hyping up the boss fight. The problem with the cutscenes in BL3 is that there are wayy too many of them that it blots the game. You spend so long not actually playing the game, and the few times that they use in game cutscenes it feels worthless there is very little expression going on otherwise. Just to add, I thought a cool way to do mayhem levels would have been to run a gauntlet in order to progress from Mayhem 1 to Mayhem 2. Ie a small wave defence/gauntlet followed by a mini boss and this would get increasingly harder until you get to Mayhem 10 and to complete the Mayhem (get to M11) you had to defeat each of the min bosses in turn to advance and “finish” a character. BL2 may have had a tedious and lengthy end game but atleast it felt SUPER worthwhile finishing it
@@thewanderingartists EXACTLY, BL3 suddenly made the ENTIRE UNIVERSE of borderlands feel so small and contained. They could have explained it by all the sirens feeling a calling to Pandora or something based on the siren logs or something but instead they are using coincidence in order to explain it. Thanks for reminding me about that nonsense :D
The only thing I hate about bl3. I'll keep saying this till the end of my days, I don't like how they killed off Maya just to force Ava to be a siren. I understand it's nature for girls around Ava's age to not listen to adults that much but imagine if she actually stayed up in Sanctuary Maya could have had a chance to fight back but we'll never know. I mean if the cutscenes were real time where were we at? The cutscene started as we exited the vault so surely we would have been there. I would have liked it much better if Maya was still alive and they killed Lilith off and allowed Ava to have just a portion of Lilith's powers since in my opinion Ava looked up more to Lilith than she did Maya. Sure she left and shielded us from Elpis but they said they were only giving her break and that she'll be back, I for one hope that she is gone for good. I like Lilith don't get me wrong but she's kind of annoying. Lilith has been in all the games and I believe it's about time she goes away for good.
Borderlands 3 story is like dancing arround big elephants in the room. Ex: Everybody says there can only be 4 sirens, but since Tyreen and Troy were born, there were 5. And depending on when Tannis got her powers, 6. Nobody points out that Maya dies because of Ava, Ava has no character Arc, yet she becomes the LEADER of the crimson raiders when Lillith sacrifices herself? After killing graveward Tannis get phaselo cked and Teleport out of nowhere, when the Calypso twins were on another fricking planet. Tyreen has the chance of killing Lillith twice, and doesn't do that and etc. The First thing I would do would be going after everyone before going after any vault: Axton, Salvador, Gaige, Krieg, Mordecai, Brick, Tina and so on. On DLC 3, when have the fricking CEO of Jakobs on speed dial cuz we saved his and his husband ass yet we never call to ask about anything? BL3 Story gives me a big headache
One thing I hated about Borderlands 3 was Troy Calypso's wasted potential. When Troy told the player about his plan to overtake his sister with his new Siren powers, I couldve amde him a more of an interesting character and having him betray Tyreen in a cutscene would've been a surprising twist
Funny enough I just returned to BL3 and just started fresh with the Beastmaster class and having fun with the class. And coming back, I remember a few things that still bugged me, and one of those you have listed, the vault hunters not in the main game cutscenes. That is still one thing that still bugs me, we just stay on the sidelines and we just watch what happens. It just seems we were just incapacitated off screen and we just couldn't make it in time, the Tyreen taking Lilith's powers made sense the door closed on us but the death of Maya was the one that just didn't make sense. We just walked up to them talking and then POOF we just disappeared. I think if the cutscene played out where we're there, the death of Maya might of hit more hard for us, the fact we tried to do something, if that makes sense. I can't talk about end game too much, cause I stopped for a while after beating the main game but I remember thinking that the endgame for BL3 was better than the other games but it seems the endgame was a little limited in a way. I don't know I'll have to try and stick to the endgame content to see the flaws I missed. Kinda funny timing how we came back to BL3 at the same time. Good video by the way!
I was literally just talking about this with my friends. We made a list of our own with all the world problems we were able to think of and got to 14. Not even including the gameplay elements that feel off putting. All the points you make are valid, ESPECIALLY Aurelia being teased as an ally only to be made cartoonishly evil. The cutscene thing is also super annoying. The lack of previous vault hunters involving themselves in the story or even CARING about what’s happened to their friends (can’t believe Zer0 had NOTHING to say about Maya), the lack of an explanation of lore in the base game (like what lottery system chooses the next siren, what happened to Rhys & Fiona at the end of Tales, etc.) just tear this game down from being even close to a 10/10. There’s way too many inconsistent aspects both story & gameplay wise for me to turn a blind eye. Also class mods in this game feel so meh compared to the jaw dropping, game changing experiences you’d have when you got the perfect Scream Sickle, Legendary Toast, Chaotic Neutral Monk, etc.
Ummm what do you mean about the class mods not feeling great? Every legendary mod adds a unique bonus to your character that actually changes the way you play. Mind-sweepers micro bombs, Peregrine’s grenade drops, hell the Seein Dead mod was a HUGE game changer when it came out, because it fixed Zane’s one fatal flaw: kill skills will activate while in FFyL! And those are just a few examples. The class mods in BL2 were great don’t get it twisted, but they never emphasized me to play a certain way that was different from what I was previously doing. So I honestly don’t understand what you mean by that.
@@windebiesteultima3317 I agree there are a few things BL3 has right compared to BL2; but generally the whole system feels weird to me. The abilities are amazing don’t get me wrong; but the skills feel like an afterthought instead of a main focus. Only 5 total points which; most of the time go to skills that aren’t as important to your build comparatively. Phasezerker, Nimbus, Dragon, St4ckbot, Red F4ng, De4deye, Critical Mass, Shockerator, Cold Warrior, and Rocketeer all feel lackluster/random with their skill choices/point distribution. Heck even Bounty Hunter could maybe actually boost the kill skills that it promotes (aside from most dangerous game). The amount of points these skills get in a normal roll (1-2) doesn’t feel impactful enough to not invest in the skill anyway if you really cared for the skill in your build unlike BL2. This whole thing low key makes me wish that purple tree wasn’t behind a paywall so that maybe the new skills could be considered to be put onto old COM’s if they’re better suited.
@@Noksnonsense okay now I’m understanding you better. I do agree there’s quite a few mods who’s special effect does almost nothing, (More than half of those belong to Fl4k honestly) but I do wish they put more care into making each legendary mod feel unique and worthwhile instead of just giving Moze all the good ones. Seriously, her class mods are completely busted.
@@windebiesteultima3317 definitely. That little list I just gave only has one Moze mod on it. Rocketeer. And even THAT is still pretty good if you build for it. I don’t know if Zane or Fl4k have the most lopsided balance for class mods. But we can all agree they’re almost all bad. As for your other point. What I meant by different playstyles is that I would find a COM in BL2 and specifically go back to sanctuary to respec so I can try it out. Or at least CONSIDER it. I wouldn’t even have to fully investing in the skills, since one point is more than enough to feel the impact of all the amazing skills since your COM grants them +4 to +6. Which also makes me sad that BL3 is so reliant on legendary loot, and there are only a few exceptions to the rule where you would wanna try out a neat blue/purple weapon, shield, grenade or COM.
I've always felt that way about the vault hunters, that in the games you play them, they're just avatars and not characters, only for the next game to flesh them out, and that's a frustrating way to tell stories especially when YOUR FUCKING MAIN is killed just a few hours into Borderlands 3. At least Roland's death had some meaning, and you got to know him through more than half the game. I have no problem with writers killing off characters, but she barely had time to be one. Maya was shortchanged as a character in favor of shoehorning in some siren lore, and that turned me off on the game. And to the point of playable vault hunters meaning nothing to the stories, I mained Amara (I've always mained the sirens in the series), and I kept waiting for Tyreen to go after her and try to suck out her powers or to at least explain why she doesn't, but (I assume, as I gave up halfway through) she never does. That's bad storytelling--maybe, with the plot focused on sucking out the powers of sirens, we shouldn't have been able to play as one, but then again, why not give Amara some unique sequences where she has to fight off Tyreen while the other vault hunters have to protect her. Would that have been so hard to do?
This is what borderlands the pre sequel did the best each character had unique dialogue and interacted with other npcs and playable characters making them feel alive and the skill trees had more gimmicks
I literally haven't even finished the Krieg DLC and they are both my favorites. I got to Maya and immediately stopped playing. Her death broke my heart. She was my first vault hunter that I ever played and I loved her back story. Maya deserved a better death then what Gearbox gave her. If she died fighting then I would have been more okay then with that little tap from that piece of shit Troy. All the shit characters live like Ava and Tannis but Maya dies...
1. I dont like how we dont have echoes that delves further into to the vualt hunters 2. Vualt hunter dont say anything and dont try to stop what's happening during a cutscenes( could at least have out vh have our gun trained on tyreen and troy) 3. Troy not betraying tyreen. Why not ? Tyreen is nothing but a blather mouth. Troy is the brains, with power he obtained he could figured away to shrink the power gap and overthrew tyreen changing his method of engagement . Troy actually had potential but it was squandered. 4. No new dlc vault hunters . I understand that what gearbox wanted and all , I love 4th skill trees but imagine all of that with 5th or 6th character. Just a waste of potential for more replay value added. 5. Certain weapons types removed from manufacturers. No hyperion pistols and no maliwan rocket launchers. No opportunity taken to introduce gun types into the current manufacturers like a hyperion assault rifles, vladof shotguns, and atlas smgs. 6. The previous vault hunters not having much sway or presence in the story like borderlands 2. Axton, Krieg, salvador, gaige, and athena are completely M.I.A during the main story . Just maya, zero and arielle as an enemy . I still really enjoy the game and new vault hunters ( love moze and zane) besides amara. its just some things about the game just seem disappointing.
On top of everything you mentioned farming is a MAJOR pain in the ass for XB1/PS4 players. I'm hoping that Tiny Tina's Wonderlands improves on these issues, because that game has ridiculous amounts of potential
Also they need to make artifacts or class mods with their own type of double jump or glide. Say what you will about destiny but the varying ways you can maneuver in the battlefield is well executed
They need to bring back Anthony Burch everyone in the community knows that 2 was the best game It had fluid gunplay and a great story he was the one who made borderlands popular no one looks at b1 and says that's what made the series.
I didnt expect a better villain than handsome jack... but I didnt expect a couple of angsty emo teenagers with unexplained super powers. Fun game, disappointing story for the most part
I still am annoyed by how hard they dropped the ball with the Main Story While i do love some of the characters Clay, Wainright, The B-Team, Rhys, Lorelei (Though she could still use some work), and a few others How they handled the main plot ruined a good part of the game for me I still love playing the game, it's fun as hell, but All 4 Main DLCs have better stories then the Main Game's! There was so much they could have done with each planet, with the story, with making the Villains actually likeable and not just annoying dickbags who are overly "Hip & Young" But it feels like that whoever was in charge of the Story, didn't give a shit, while the person in charge of Gameplay did
The nerfing of legendary drop rates, you already mentioned that the anointments need to be either rerolled or refarmed, but the weapon has to drop before you can even consider those options. RNG aside, it's incredibly difficult to get a legendary drop in some cases, particularly in Arms Race. Mayhem 10 , vanilla weapons and powerful enemies, get to a chest and there's no legendary items!
@@luca7675 Not for me, I've run through around 20 or so times in a single run and received not one from a chest, the end boss has dropped at least one though. I'm specifically going after the Plasma Coil, I grabbed pretty much everything before the nerf. It's not only there, I've been refarming instead of rerolling anointments and having to try over 50 times for an item, only to an non anointed version when it does drop, multiple times! I feel that the real reason for lowering the drop rates is because they want us to keep playing until the Tina content drops, I started 3 months ago, but I'd assume most people started last year and have mostly moved on.
I didnt like the online thing in borderlands 3, in borderlands 2 and tps there was match browsing and match making you could also switch your character last second to an insanely over leveled character and just help randoms and shit now u can only do that if your friends with them already its just not as impactful the game feels dead if you cant play with randoms half the time the multiplayer match making sucks and cant connect to a game for like an hour they shouldve implemented match browsing
Honestly the first point, where the vault hunters should be more incorporated would be amazing…cause I really wished each cutscene at least had some dialogue from the vault Hunter or them at least interacting with the characters on screen
The parts I don't like about BL3: - How frequently legendaries drop compared to BL2 - How they handle the story in general. (Maya, Ava, no mention of the guardian from P-S) - A lot of things from BL2 I thought would transition into BL3, haven't yet. (Pearls, UVHM) - (Bit nit-picky but...) I wasn't a big fan of Moze's Green tree.
While pearls I can understand (raid boss unique loot), the UVHM part has no place in BL3. You don't have slag anymore and radioactivity is about spreading and damage ignorance, not damage increase. We have cryo, but it should be for explosions, while in BL3 explosions is not element, but the effect. UVHM will not give anything to the game, really. Unless radiation would just be strong melt point dealing like true damage (counting that enemies can have 3 life levels), UVHM would just have no space.
@@toddhammond1953 there are builds, who can do the same in borderlands 2 on OP10. UVHM does not solve this problem. But even compared to BL2, there are more frequent immune phases for bosses in BL3 (in BL2 I remember like 5-10 bosses with DLCs where immune phase had a place). What made UVHM as a new playground for BL2 and TPS: Increased Slag\Cryo damage. While cryo is useful all over the TPS game, slag in BL2 just good debuff before UVHM. You literally don't need slag until you reach UVHM. Reduce usage of fire weapon. While non-element\explosive still may be useful and didn't receive big changes, fire weapon was substituted by slag in UVHM, because most monster or shielded, or armored or both. More choices for weapons. While pearl weapons can be received in TVHM, not all of them are reachable because of pearl drop rate. So UVHM has a fix for its complexity by proposing annoints. What of this can be used in the term of the BL3: BL3 has literally no element which provides benefits for enemy killing (Cryo is not big one deal, as we are not in space anymore, so not everything is easy freezable and no explosion for mega damage as well) All elements are balanced, as there are no profit to use only one element in general (there are exceptions, but they mostly builds specific). We still need shock, corrosive and fire to kill all staff, as simple guys are mostly flesh, but tough guys have many layers of defense for different elements. Annoints partially solve the issue with pearl-like weapons. So UVHM doesn't give any benefits from the current game perspective.
I was hoping they were going to bring back rainbow rarity from bl2 last dlc. You get a certain set of weapons and they buff each other but theyre very specific weapons and mods. Like a fire weapon flamethrower with a fire grenade and a firmens suit shield that makes fire damage with this set fun and very unique. You would(nt)* be able to kill robots or heavily shielded things with it but flesh burns fast. It is unique, powerful, fun, rare. The possibilities are abound.
I hate also how inferior class mods are in bl3 like why do we have randome bonus's on every class mod. Isn't the point of a class mod in borderlands is to enhance the playstyle u want to play. Like all the non legendary class mods are completely useless for end game and most of the legendary class mods are medicore and require specific anointments to be good. Borderlands 3 is a lot more flawed than people realize.
Having just returned after a long break myself, I have to agree with the majority of what you said. I'm having fun for the moment, with the new talent trees and extra points but yeah so much of the story, character involvement, and very much agree with your completionism and mayhem issues.
Whoever wrote aurelia into this mess of a story didn't have the slightest clue what she was. Wanting to patch things up with her brother held back by pride became just wanting to mess with him. Leaving the luxury of riches for danger and hunting a vault became obsession over money and calling vault hunters whores. "Piss off jack" became allying with the twins. And becoming almost a lackey for them whilst being a "master" before. She doesn't even use a sniper, its almost as if they confused her with nisha. In fact, believing that she took a page out of jacks book and made a doppelganger to dodge the heat of tps events (she is rich enough to afford it) probably yvette from tales, makes much much more sense than this version actually being her. The double got screwed over in the deal or wants out explains the hate towards vault hunters, hammerlocks and many other things. That is my personal head cannon and i don't care what GBX intended.
I still am upset by the way they did her. I remember the reveal they did for the game and they had her like standing near Hammerlock and that gave the impression she was not only back in but also kind of an ally to me. Also I just remember another weak thing they did to her as a character. There was like an echo tape I believe of her negotiating with Troy and basically its implied shes gonna bang him (she says something in regards to doing something sexual with her frost powers to him...sigh) Ultra rich, planet owning, ex vault hunter badass lady with class...and they have her resorting to a sexual favor to a brat like Troy.
She is my leaat favorite character from my least favorite borderlands, but you're 100% right. Tho they also added or subtracted weird shit from....all the male characters in bl1 Mordy never mentioned alcohol in bl1. Roland had an actual personality. Brick was more than just a punchline. That all kinda decayed over time. The writers are basically just tumblr bloggers at this point. The games would honestly be improved by not having a story at this point
My favorite thing about anointments was the ability to crash my game if I wanted. I remember seeing moxsy’s video on ricochet witch and was like I need that in my life I want to crash my game for fun to me crashing the game is the ultimate feeling of power and. I have beat the game.
I quit 3 ages ago mate around level 61 or 53 ish level cap I just have way more fun playing borderlands 2 I like the end game grind I like doing challenge runs and I just like the story more dude these no raid bosses all dlcs suck story sucks vault hunters are okay
I find it a shame we don't got a higher tier then legendary, with BL1 we had pearlescent and with BL2 we had seraph. And the raidbosses, how many had BL2, like 10 or 11 and in BL3 we got 3.
By far the most awful thing about BL3 are the extraordinarily long expositions, listening someone talk so we can advance. The best example is early in the game. You are waiting for Lilith to stop watching TV so she can open the door for you. You have NOTHING else to do but to wait.. for a SIREN to stop watching TV.. That is insane game design decision.. You can't go anywhere, there is nothing to loot.. you just stand there and at 2nd play thru you are running against the door saying "let me out, let me out, let me out!". The unskippable dialogue that prevents you from progressing is by far the worst thing, it is special how much it makes you HATE THE STORY, cause the story is in your way, constantly stopping you. The day i learned how to remove dialogue changed everything. I was ready to move on and stop playing before i had used all the characters. When i removed the dialogue: the game has excellent pacing. It is amazing to play like that, of course, you are not linked to the story at all but at least the game is fun. Some of the dialogue scenes are MINUTES long and if you haven't yet learned the whole game, you can't progress. Several times you have to wait for a long time, only to be told to drive to the other side of the map: bitch, i would already be there if you had just given me the map marker. Really weird that this is not #1 complaint in this list, i seriously was going to give up on the WHOLE FRANCHISE because of it. edit: another example of this is when you navigate to new planet the first time.. and have to wait to say something to Lilith. Why? Why can't i talk to her while the ship is moving? SHE IS RIGHT THERE. You can't run downstairs to the drop pod like you can for the rest of the game... You have to.. wait, then say fucking one word and then are free to progress. Who makes decisions like that? I want to meet that man or woman.
I feel like borderlands has been in decline ever since Bl2 somewhere around the time the DLC's were being released and a new manager or someone up at the head office just poped into power. Ever since that, borderlands just feels off.
I agree but I’d reorder 1 and 2 Auralia was (and still is) my favorite character in the borderlands franchise There were missions where she expressed a love for her younger brother even if she kept her distance and despite his loathing of her. And she expressed moral discomfort with the killing of the scientists So she wasn’t HEARTLESS or EVIL she just didn’t let her feelings influence her business decisions They could have kept everything the same but in the moment of her defeat she could have dropped her loot and ran or given up! It wouldn’t have even been the first time that a boss fight ended with a sliver of health left
havent watched the video yet so im not sure if its included. but honestly one of my biggest problems with this game is how underwhelmingly easy it is for a first playthrough. due to them buffing most of the weapons to be mayhem 10 viable, the first playthrough is easy to the point of it not being fun. basically killing bosses before they can even attack. annointed enemies not feeling special at all anymore. ive been playing through it again recently and my level 13 maggie is still 1 or 2 shotting pretty much every enemy and im level 32
agree. I just did a playthrough where I enabled TVHM from level 1 through mods. Got a level 23 Unkempt Harold that I used until level 62... it would one-shot Hardened Tink Tanks and bosses for about 20 levels.
I think it would also be fun that all the Vaulthunter that the players are not playing right now are doing stuff on the sanctuary even if the only hang in the bar and drink. So that the Player doesn't fell like one man army. The 4 Vaulthunters are on this Adventure not just one.
Well that should be more of a cutscene thing IMO, Bc if they were on sanctuary with u they should also be fighting with u and it would be 3 npcs with u at all times that are like unkillable and can revive u lol, the vh should all just appear in cutscenes with the base skins except for u if u have a customized skin on
I think, if they keep Anointments for BL4, it should be player controlled, Tanis makes some tech that channels eridium into a weapon and can either make a weapon gain extra stats and perks (up to 3-5, 3 for blue to White, purple gets 4, and legendaries get 5) or spend eridium to make a weapon level up to player level if theres one you specifically want to keep relevant to your level because you like it that much, it'd make the system feel better
1. The vault hunter does and doesn’t exist in cutscenes. 2. Everything about non directors cut Ava 3. (maybe all my friends are jerks buuut) There’s no loot protection in co op. I shouldn’t have to race against my team to get to a pile of loot from i dude thatI was responsible for exploding. 4. There’s not enough of the previous characters (not just the previous VHs but like Ellie etc) 5. I get that the bear is tall but, I don’t wanna get out of my bear cus it can’t fit through a corridor
I remember joking about how me and my friends werent in the cutscene for Maya's Death. But as we joked about it more during the scene we realized this was a big problem.
Aurelia's entire character arc in TPS was her realizing that she wasn't as "evil" as she claimed herself to be. Not only is she horrified by Felicity's deletion and the senseless murder of the scientists like the rest of the morally good TPS Vault Hunters, but in the Claptastic Voyage DLC, she's the only one (other than Athena) to actually _apologize_ to Claptrap when he finally snaps back at the group after far too many insults. Some of her lines also indicated that she regrets abusing her brother in the past So its no surprise that fans of the game were deeply disappointed by the writers making her a full-on villain
Or any of the games, the gameplay is so much better, like the sliding mantling, I never thought I’d use mantling as much as I did but u can use it in so many places and then u play another bl game and try to slide or mantle and just get frustrated
So basically things I don't like Borderlands 3: 1. The Story and Dialogue 2. The Story and Dialogue 3. The Story and Dialogue 4. The Story and Dialogue 5. The Story and Dialogue
I don’t like that nearly every character is annoying. With the exception of Fl4k, Zane, Hammerlock, Clay, and Balex no one is fun to listen to and continuously grates on my every nerve. The combat is good, but if I wanted great shooter combat, I’ll play Dusk or DOOM
My 5 things: 1. Troy should have been the last boss as his story is far more intriguing than his sisters, the Destroyer should have corrupted him to be an avatar. The Destroyer should be the end boss for B4. 2. Vault monsters are a push over and are few in numbers. We hunt like 2 vaults out of 4 (im not counting Tyreen). Gythian would have been an amazing vehicle boss fight. With Atlas/Jakobs troops assisting. Something like B2 Bunker boss fight. 3. Where is Vladof and DAHL in this conflict, they are both like the largest corporations in the game. 4. Planet exploration seems hollow, why give us planets to look at if there is nothing to really see. Hell Pandora doesnt have the Helios crash site on it and Helios was 1/5th the size of Elpis. Necrotefao (butchered) has no explanation or shock value that 1/4 of the planet has exploded. 5th. Everything Eruptionfang is aggressively accurate that Gearbox needs to see and listen to.
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What grinds my gears the most about VH's involvement is Amara. She's a siren and literally everyone acts like she isn't there. Sirens were a central point to this game's story, and probably, amara was the strongest among them. But hey, we had to develop Ava
There’s really no way to involve Amara in the story more without cutting content off from the other vault hunters
@@pokeyscorpion8224 could’ve just been an NPC that gives dialogue
@@declicitous1763 Then there wouldn’t be a playable siren which would piss people off even more
@@declicitous1763 There were three possibilities: 1) having Amara more included in the story, making the other vault hunters useless; 2) having her be an npc, making her more involved but not having a playable siren; or 3) have her be playable but not as involved as she could be
@@pokeyscorpion8224 no if she was your vault hunter she could just give the dialogue that NPC Amara would
If BL4 ever comes out, it better take the best story elements from 2, and the best gameplay elements from 3.
"We lost one of the most unique personalities in the entire franchise, for a meh plotline." Borderlands 3 in a nutshell.
Making Tannins a siren should be on the list., she's already important to the story without her needing to be a siren
Nah my bl2 game glitched when I first played it so I didn’t realize I wasn’t normal that every time I had reloaded sanctuary all the cutscenes for Marcus Zad and Scooter would all resets and though it was annoying I still didn’t mind too much
All in all cutscenes won’t dampen my looter shooters spirit
Path of exile has this sticker book type thing for legendaries that doubles as a storage. I think that would be a cool solution. Having a sort of rogue-like draft feature for guns/talents would be fun too. I'm not a big fan of min/max optimization. but i like trying out random combinations of things and trying to be as efficient w/ whats in front of me.
I agree with the cut scene even said it to my friend when scenes like Mayas death came around saying things like "what are we doing right now jerking off in the corner why don't we just shot at them or stop them from doing it" like if we are there at least give a reason why we as a character can not intervein like a perfect example of this is when the loader takes Rowland in BL2 we physically could not help him behind the bars lead us to have to chase the loader
Borderlands should really utilize their Vault Hunters more instead of just writing the dialogue of the story solely focusing on Lilith's POV I mean honestly it feels like that.
I agree that mayhem could be done better, the modifiers can be frustrating. But I definitely believe a way to scale the difficulty is so important. During playthrough 1, especially coop, you just wreck too hard and the game length just becomes tedious. Large health pools with bosses just disappear too quickly. What I love about Borderlands 3 is that the bosses do some interesting mechanics, think of Katagawa and Agonizer. But before mayhem mode the game feels to easy, especially for veteran borderlands and FPS fans like myself. Mayhem is a welcomed sight, but it would be great to add it from the start and yeah, maybe be able to disable the modifiers. Modifiers can be fun to muck around with when playing with your friends, especially those who are casual about this game.
Gunplay I still think this game nailed it compared to the other entries. Sliding and slamming and snappy aiming, I like it better. Though I am sure people would disagree.
I just think anointment detract from skills and skill trees too hard. The power should come from the vault hunter and affinity with the weapons and gear itself, not based on appointments.
On top of the lack of vault hunter impact/involvement, they literally stripped away the involvement of the BL2 vault hunters
Instead of Maya, Axton, Salvador and Zero defeating the Warrior and killing Jack, it was Lilith.
Considering all she did in that fight was lying on the ground and shouting “The lava’s rising!” its practically insulting to credit her.
The only thing she ever does physically is punch jack if you let him monologue long enough
I haven't played 3 in a long while, I was watching a video yesterday and it talked about Lilith. I said out loud how I hated that after she died they didn't give Ellie Sanctuary to run, I've never been a fan of Lilith really, and my girlfriend yelled, "THE LAVAS RISING" from the kitchen and said fuck her lol. Man, that story in 3 sucked ass.
I see wat you saying about the warrior but jack you had a choice to kill him or lillth and guess wat they chose lillth
And she killed Roland. She should not have punched Handsome Jack in Eleseer
Just one thing about that
Canonically, she did kill Jack. There's a lot of choices you can make in the games that ultimately aren't canon. It's not really a new thing.
Maya: *dying*
Vault Hunters in the cutscenes: Aight, I’m out. *disappears*
*RIGHT*
When Maya was there, we weren't being held down or some shit, we just sat there and went "oh no, anyway"
Aurelia and Maya dying pissed me off so bad both times. So much potential with both those characters. Wasted.
@@ghosthound17 all the characters in 3 were wasted this is why you don't hire some random new team of writers from your other games
I think they were supposed to still be in the vault when maya was being killed
@@wizgi7201 Then they should have played that cutscene the moment you pick the relic inside, not make you get out of the vault, aprocach Maya, and press E to trigger it, it's just dumb.
My biggest issue:
Maya: *is literally getting thanosed*
Vault Hunter: "I'm not even here baby, I'm just a hallucination"
i could imagine zane actually saying that lol, while amara saying "nope im not a siren i aint part of this lmao", flak "king dragon sends his regards".
vh was in the vault
@@cosmicklampzy1222 doesn't the cutscene start once you leave the vault though?
@@jionmionskwisgaar1476 yeah but why else do you think vh wasn't there? maybe it was just weird cutscene placement
@@cosmicklampzy1222 I don't think vh wasn't there. I think he was there, like all the other cutscenes that wait until we show up to play.
Thats why Rolands death worked so well in BL2 because of how fast Jack appeared behind him and shot him, felt like there is nothing anyone could've done. Meanwhile we stand there as Lilith gets her powers choked outta her or as Maya got melted or whatever the hell happened to her , absorbed/leached into Troy i guess
I Still think Zero could have kill jack right after I mean he doesn't have points in accuracy for nothing.
@@zebfirehd9102 Eh, at that point in the game in your first playthrough, Zero isn't that high leveled. So it's passable to say he's not at the point he could do something like that yet.
@@RemedieX if we are going on that than Roland is lv 69 and when you fight jack hes only 32 so Roland's would be way to high for jack to 1 shot him when hes 30+ lvs higher. your assessment only makes sense if the leveling was just a game mechanic since how could roland have lose so many levels from the first game after fighting so many enemy's before 2 even if we were just counting the first playthrough story we are still talking about lv40+ so it still can't be use to say that it matters. Plus at the very start of the game we see zero in action its just so out of character what happens in that room with the VHs with the others to just stand there so idle.
@@zebfirehd9102 My assessment was to suggest that Zero wasn't skilled enough to execute Jack because he wasn't capable of it yet. You as the player, the VH, have them fight throughout the entire game and that's how they learn and become the lethal machines they're known to be in the present. We take them from newbie VH's to killing machines.
@@RemedieX Zero was a literal assassin. I think he knew how to kill pretty well if he was considered the best.
Finally someone agrees with the cutscenes, I like dead island for their cutscenes and that’s what borderlands should have done
Exactly! The cutscenes really make the players feel left out. For instance, making Ava head of Sanctuary? When it was the Vault Hunters that did all the real work, no acknowledgement whatso ever.
When he went “quite frankly I DONT WANNA DO THAT” i died
I agree. I can’t believe Dead Island is far and away better at characterizing playable characters more then Borderlands
Seriously, the vault hunters in 3 were given so much extra personality and dialogue already, why make the cutscenes so underwhelming
I wouldn't use dead island as a bench mark for good character development as it's corny as hell and the acting is garbage. Not only that but the characters supposed arcs if you can even call them that are shallow af and the people they want you to care about have little to no impact to the story aside from one character who literally is just a glorified pack mule
The only cutscene i can think of that the vault hunter was actually in in some capacity was when they were phaselocked by troy
oh you mean the cutscene that could have been a branching off point with so much promise of troy being a twist hero. i agree because that cutscene felt off compared to the rest of the game.
Looks like Troy phase locked our lips too 😂
@@brianmeans5965 or maybe Tyreen becoming a Twist hero as her brother stole her powers and drained her of all of her worth.
The removal of Maya’s funeral was honestly criminal, that literally has to be the worst thing for me. I realize that it is needed for the story but after that there’s basically nothing
It's so weird. Roland did not have a funeral per say, but you had the option to go around and alert sanctuary and hear a lil about the citizen's relationship with Roland. also the quest was optional. They dropped the ball.
@@blimby2416 maybe its a sign that BL3 staffs themselves dislike the idea that Maya has to die, plus it ruins Krieg progression for the future. I honestly hope that 3 gets a main story retcon
@@blimby2416 they had one
I hear a rumor that scene was created post-release to quell the outrage. I have no idea if its true.
Facts
One of my dislikes is that in a siren driven game, Amara is just kinda there.
It is kinda weird, but there’s no way to involve her in the story more unless she was the only playable character
@@pokeyscorpion8224 Yeah but that itself is just bad direction and storytelling. BL3 didn't need a playable siren but because it had been so long since the pre sequel which didn't have a playable siren so really BL2, BL3 had to have a playable siren. Which is worrying because the next BL won't have a siren because of the 6, 3 are known, Lilith is probably still alive so that leaves Tyreens and maybe Steeles powers unaccounted for because there's no way they'll give a player the seventh power. And since we've already seen Tyreens that means Steeles power is really the only one that they can use for a new siren. The entire playable siren and new vault hunters every game system has set up a cycle where a pre established character is pretty much gonna have to die every few games and as BL3 shows they're shit at handling that.
@@bradleyedson8596 People would’ve been even MORE upset if there wasn’t a playable siren in the main series game, so it was better to have one than to not. (I refer to the pre-sequel as a canon spinoff, keeps things simpler)
@@pokeyscorpion8224 That was part of my point. I didn't really make it clear that's my bad. BL3 needed a siren because of how long since the last BL but story wise it would've been better to not have a playable siren. The vault hunters in BL3 already feel disjointed from the story and Amara doubly so due to being a vault hunter siren in a a game where sirens are the most included they've ever been and vault hunters being there while not being there. I'm just saying that when it comes to Amara they really dropped the ball.
@@bradleyedson8596 Yeah
What you said about Aurelia made me realize something, despite how much time we spent on Eden 6 it is the least impactful section of the entire game! Tanis did get kidnapped, but that could've happened anywhere. Hell, we only go back there once in any endgame content or dlc!
Tbh eden-6 felt just tedious I liked pandora and typhons planet more
Tbf there's only like 3 missions on Athenas, we pick up a vault key fragment, kill a minor villain and piss off, what did we actually do there??? Eden 6 at least has places to go to and explore, they didn't even give us that for Maya's home, it's just a straight line to the finish
We didn't even go back for the ava murder mysteries
it might’ve had the least impact but it was personally my favorite environment, the others just felt stale
Eden 6 feels like the longest and most * boring* part of the game. I haven't played through the pre sequel- mostly because I can't figure out how to install the unofficial patch and can't justify using Gibbs save editor to give me legendaries- but I'm going to have to go back and play as each.
I feel so vindicated with your section on Aurelia. I was mortified when I saw they made her into just a plain villain. She was never even a villain in TPS. When Jack kills the scientists on Helios, if you get Aurelia's reaction, even she is put back from it and doesn't like it yet she's all for having a cult for some reason? She was simply a bitch and that was OK. I was so excited to see her involvement...
She was an add on character and not part of the main pre-sequel cast. She was a broken character and the lack of interest in the additional characters at time of release (including gaige, kreig, and timothy) is why GB didn't bother making more hunters this go around.
She most definately was a villan. the entire Presequel cast was.
Hell, the main villans of the series are Roland and Lilith if I remember correctly. Their betrayal is the reason that Jack's psycho got turned to 11.
@@vaguedreams Krieg isn't part of the main Borderlands 2 cast, and neither was Gaige, but here we are with dlc's surrounding them lmao
they weren't all villains either, and Aurelia's reactions to certain events solidify that her being a stone cold bitch isn't her only personality trait, that she does care and doesn't really want to do (all) shit that seems questionable in nature; on top of that, a lot of the cast had no idea what they were in for, and Jack seemed relatively alright until certain events (especially when Lilith shows up at the end and smashes his face as he gets the vision of what is going to happen in BL2)
one of her lines is quite literally telling Jack to fuck off when he requests you to shoot some random surrendering soldier
@@BlackWACat I don't understand the points you are trying to make and the wall of text does not help.
I get you may be responding on a phone, I do it also, but I know for a fact that you can press enter and put in spaces.
Correct, Krieg isn't part of the main cast. I actually said that. I also never said Krieg or Gage were villains either. They most definitely are though. None of the vault hunters are good guys.
@@vaguedreams No but they weren't total asshats either, they had a reason to do the things they did. Lilith and Roland seeing a big laser in any corperate blowhards hands is bad enough so sabotaging the Helios was a good thing to do.
As for punching the relic well that was just trying to ensure that Jack didn't get what he wanted and was a bit asshat on Liliths part but to say they made Jack when he was a bit unhinged in the first place is a bit of a longshot.
Now what they did with Aurelia was turn a complicated 3d character into a boring 2D, single chapter antagonist as if the whole chapter was written before the Pre-Sequel was even done.
@@vaguedreams are you dyslexic or something like god damn reading isn't hard. Oh sorry my bad.
Are
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Dyslexic
Or something
Like god damn
Reading isn't hard.
1. The treatment of og vault hunters (including dlc ones)
2. The way they didn't include the vhs in cut scenes like you said, although bl2 was the exact same
3. The sluggish ass story
4. The way they handled Maya's death and Ava as a character
5. Plus the presequel ending being basically thrown to the curb
I mean tbh the BL2 vhs not in Cutscenes thing I think doesn’t really count cuz there’s like 3 cutscenes in the whole game
@@doctorsno906 yeah, I know bro. Bl2 doing it wasn't a huge deal really bc of lack of cut scenes. I was just saying
@@doctorsno906 yeah but still even through we did not see them the characters still acknowledge them being in the room while in three they do not see them at all and still that so called scene about Maya funeral is still a slap to the face because still at the end of the day ava gets her killed.
this is exactly what ive been saying since bl3 came out idk what gearbox was doing when they made this game smh
Yea fair enough
Borderlands pre-sequel was what they should have done with the writing the characters talk there are some unique lines from characters but not to many to alter which give a reason to play someone else it’s sad that a game by far older the bl3 got it better
Exactly the community shits on TPS but a lot of things especially the writing were the best in TPS hands down, instead they got writers for 3 who felt like they played the games once half paying attention to the dialogue and cutscenes and threw the story together in an afternoon.
@@NinjaTyler I don’t think people really hate on TPS, it is mainly a bunch of self-proclaimed game reviewers who hate it even though they haven’t played a single borderlands game. And even if the fans were saying it’s shit, they’re definitely the loud minority. But what you were saying about TPS is 100% is was a great game, with an excellent storyline that not only connects with the telltale game ( even if it was telltale who connected the two ), but it somehow makes you care for jack, despite how egomaniacal and sadistic he is. To top it all off, it sets up borderlands 3 perfectly with a story, that they completely retconned in favour of some bullshit “ coming-of-age “ self-discovery siren shit, and the two worse villains of the entire franchise, however typhon was an absolute G.O.A.T.
Yeah, it's so much better, you're not just "vault hunter", "killer", or "sup", NPC's actually use your name to adress you on a lot of dialogue, and if you are playing Athena it's even better for imersion, your character is literally the one telling the story, it was amazing.
Skill trees (don't confuse with action skills) are the best in the entire series, like holy shit, depending on what you spec with Wilhem you change his entire character model, it's not just stat increses, Aurelia and Jack also get a lot of unique dialogue depending on what you spec.
Butt Slam in TPS is miles better, i would constantly try to use it to initiate combat, and during combat, in BL 3 the only times i use it is to get down from a high place faster lol.
I love how much those characters actually spoke and had some flavor.
God I loved being Wilhelm
@@brandonuzumaki TPS is better than 2. 3 is good at being a game. but both do better than 2 because they’re both actually fun
The biggest thing for me was turning legendaries from an *event* to an expectation. It's not legendary if I can't go for a walk without tripping over 10 of them.
It's definitely different. Does pave the way for character customization though, which is what I think they were going for since they have anoints crisscrossing with action skills and melee/slam effects. The combinations are a rabbit hole you could be falling down for ages
I have a bag full of legendaries and I'm just base game level 41.
I agree to a certain extent: I personally don’t enjoy farming for literally days for a legendary to drop just for it to roll with the worst parts available, but I also believe bl3 is too generous with the drops.
I think bl1 and pre sequel had the correct balance
@@windebiesteultima3317 BL2 had it good as well I felt. You didn't NEED Legendary to actually win but when you got it, you held on tightly to it.
@@ZachIdso I think they should lower drop rates but remove anointments. This would make legendaries feel exciting again. They don't have to nerf drop rates too much but it would be nice to actually get excited just seeing a legendary where right now I just assume it sucks and doesn't have the right anointments, taking away from what should be a heart-skipping moment.
Fang: *says 94% sham*
Joltz: *starts having a ptsd meltdown*
I made a reddit post that a lot of people agreed about for the cutscene thing.. it really is one of the most annoying things in BL3..
Anyway, the part where Lilith loses her powers, that cutscene happens *immediately* after the garage door thing shuts on us and she gets ambushed. We are separated from her and frantically moving around the ship's building facility to get to that other side. By the time we get to her, Tyreen already summoned her followers there and left the scene, and Lilith already lost her powers.
Lilith even chokes on her last words as a siren calling out to us telepathically while we are running to save her.
So that is fairly excusable serious cutscene where we couldn't do much within. (I'm not sure why this scene is one of the biggest arguments, because its really clear we are separated from her during that scene.)
*Spoilers* (Even though you really shouldn't be here unless you've finished the game)
HOWEVER, My argument for the cutscene thing, is, right after we kill Troy, Tyreen take's his powers and goes power trip mode and lasers us and throws rocks at us. (but very confusingly, the Vault Hunter just doesn't exist in that scene despite literally just killing Troy, Tyreen pays NO MIND to the Vault Hunter who just KILLED her brother. We just, _pop out of existence._
Wouldn't she right then and there just do her absolute best out of rage/just getting us out of the way so we don't ruin her plans? Apparently not, she just forgets we are a thing, and aims for Lilith, Ava, and Patricia. Then when she does her cringy botcam sign off thing and leaves, we just _pop back into existence._
^^^^ That is what really urged the thought for me, and made me super unimmersed in the storyline.
The vault hunters true abilities aren't their beast/clone/ironbear/siren abilities. Its actually their power to delete themselves from existence whenever something bad is happening then coming back right after its done.
Thanks for the Spoiler Warning
It's funny to because if you play as flak during that cutscene(and many others) your pet can puke up ammo every once and awhile and will continue doing so during the cutscene even though it's invisible the ammo still falls out of nothing in the cutscene, so we should be standing right there but we arent
@@temhunter6341 I do play flak! And I noticed a lot of invisible guns running around during my cutscenes, only to figure out later it's my pet with a gun in his mouth ready to spit it out at me. XD
honestly for your end boss cutscene thing it would have worked a whole lot better if she literally downed you and ava (yes the useless idiot) helps you back up as the two others basically held her off (not draw her attention but hold her off) until you got back up. it could have been an epic fight with the firehawk helping you move around a shattered battle feild while you work on defeating her while ava does her best to revive people (it is really the only way to make her useful without breakingimmersion since she has no combat experience) and tannis sending in troops. i mean it is the fate of whatever left to a suicidal siren, somehow a siren, miss whiny, and the player versus a corrupt youtuber who touched the most powerful vault yet.
The cut scenes definitely pulled me out of the games narrative, especially with the exposition dumps from other characters. You could cut half the dialog in this game and it would still be bloated with nonsensical banter and humorless jokes. Also, I totally agree with the anointment system. It would make more sense if the anointments were cheaper to reroll. Or at least give us the option to buy eridium with the literal mountains of useless money you can accumulate.
Wow that is a really good idea we could Buy eridium. all my characters are money cap the ability to buy eridium would be perfect.
@@jnaples6307 You can sort of buy eridium with one of the slot machines. Although if you can buy eridium then I'd say just get rid of it as it is then functionally the same as money and instead of having two interchangeable currencies, just have one. I personally think eridium was a bit of a pointless currency in both BL2 and BL3; seemed like someone thought it was a good idea at some point and have been trying to force it into the game every since.
I also don’t like the long driving’s scenes
The writing is pretty bad compared to bl2
Though the BL2 writing wasn't always great I replayed thru the game so many times.
The sheer relentless amount of awful writing for 3 however makes the game unplayable for me. Less time actually playing than having to sit throughl that garbage. Could just save quit constantly to try and work around it, but who can be bothered
Even if Aurelia was kept a villain they could have ended it with her surrendering to us and then her dropping loot as a bargaining chip
So that she could have stayed in the story imo, cos even to me it felt wasted to off her
That would have been hilarious I would have been okay with that...I can hear her know
Aurelia:*drops loot* "There...take it and leave simpletons" 🤣
Should make it an optional objective to finish her off. That way you can smack her for being a bitch while she stays alive in the canon story.
@@Forty2de maybe just a slap tho
@@TheRainman55 llp
I would have LOVED that! We could have taken her prisoner on the ship and she could have been in Hammerlock's room or somthing.
i think it wouldve been cool to have each character start in their own little tutorial space as a solo playthrough and then each world or tutorial path they come from merge into the real part of the game where each character gets on the bus at the same time (the more people in your party the more you see in the bus cutscene) it would show where each person came from and their goals / reasoning for being where they are now.
That would have been a fucking cool way to handle tutorials. Even allowing your characters to reasonably have their action skills by the start.
@@boxtank5288 hey slow down there you know the rules. you will get it at the end of the tutorial area. thus giving a reason for said tutorials being their origin story.
@@brianmeans5965 Yeah I meant to say 'When the game PROPER Begins'
"You watch when Maya dies"
It still hurts to this day.😢
And killing off Aurelia made no sense.
Aurelia was terrible. Even in the pre sequel she admitted to not being as bad as jack over some things. She still had a conscious, even if limited. In bl3 they took out all her character and personality and just made her rich.
My least favorite part of Borderlands 3 is that Tyreens neck is too small
Thank god I’m not the only one who noticed
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Ye
It’s because Troy has enough neck for the both of em
@@massivebees hate that guy.
Re. Point 5, I think it's amplified by the fact that in the cutscene after killing Troy Calypso, the game *literally forgets* the Vault Hunters are there. They phase out of existence with no explanation, then phase back into existence once the cutscene ends.
Most of the other cutscenes establish a premise where the Vault Hunters are seperated from the scene, eg. Maya's death happens presumably while you were looting the vault, but in that specific case Gearbox genuinely just forgot to establish that kind of excuse.
I mean Mayas cutscenes happens when you leave the vault tho
I always thought Lilith's and Maya's scenes were excusable (but still shit), with us being trapped while Lilith gets ambushed and us presumably looting the vault like you said or just travelling back through the portal in Maya's case, but yeah there is alot of times the Vault Hunters just literally disappear, when Typhon dies we were at the same place, when Troy dies too, and when Tyreen dies. Its just so mindnumbingly dumb.
I agree with pretty much everything but especially Aurelia.
She was my favorite VH in TPS and I was super excited to see her in BL3 as a sort of snobby anti-hero type character especially because we start to see her grow a bit of a conscious by the end of TPS. She could have been someone who deep down we and everyone else knows wants to do good but her upbringing and overall attitude makes it hard for her to do so but those cracks would be there and perhaps Hammerlock or someone else could have been a driving force to help her good side come out.
But yeah a big waste. Super disappointed about how that turned out.
Recently replayed TPS and after being reminded about the ending and of Aurelia's character starting to improve by the end, I couldn't agree more. They could've done so much, but it's as if they either threw TPS to the curb or completely forgot about it/never played it.
@@windrider2190 Yeah that’s another thing. It really does suck how it feels like they pretty much retconned most of TPS in BL3. There’s the stuff with Aurelia, the stuff with the watcher and gathering the vault hunters, and there’s zero mention about the people living on Elpis when Troy starts to zap the moon and then Lilith does her thing to it. It’s like they forgot there’s a whole civilization of people living on there. The least they could do was make a comment about “oh my god all those people on there are dead” or “the people of Elpis are evacuating the moon” or something.
@@Kr8zySteve yeah, the new writers for 3 seem to have no experience with the franchise or played through it all once half paying attention to the story, so many characters were absent or used horribly wrong in 3 to the point I just don't accept 3 as canon with the insane amount of plot holes it has and missteps it took. Almost none of the new characters are memorable outside the side villains and the bear.
She was my favorite vh in TPS too. They’ve killed some of my favorite playable characters. Roland, Maya, and now Aurelia. Roland I can understand, but the writing for the other two was terrible in my opinion.
@@Kr8zySteve funny thing, Tales of Borderlands do have relation to TPS (love between Athena and Elpis girl) and BL3 has relation to Tales of Borderlands partially (Rhys, Vaughn, death of Scooter), so it is not like thrown away, but mostly forgotten. And Elpis still is a holder for the Eridian part of the History (big Vault and massive eridium location).
1. The direction of the story. Hoped they would've continued what was set up in TPS, but seems like they're doubling down on this Ava siren plot.. defiantly made clear with the latest DLC
2. Sidestepping literally all the OG characters, even the ones in the game were hollow and tossed aside
3. Playable VH's still not part of the story
My big three anyways
maya>ava as they made maya quite dumb to promote ava (as she knew the twins could obsorb people before the boss, but she somehow though it best idea to grab troy who can touch/absorb her within seconds)
Yeah, I don't have big hopes for borderlands 4 since ava is still alive and they'll probably make her some sort of billie enlist emo character.
@@ravenspurplebeats5412 plus why would Maya EVER physically grab someone when she's a Siren who can PHASELOCK her enemies?!? Like what!?
@@anantrawat2311 I wouldn't be surprised at all if they made Ava one of the playable vault hunters in Borderlands 4.
@@falsetitle6940 i hope she gets turned into a husk by the next borderlands villain and then we shatter her for ammo
I love how they were like, there’s a war coming you’ll need all the vault hunters.
Cool Idea gets thrown out the window for a shit story with these empty dumb streamer villains.
The Borderlands 2 story wasn’t amazing but handsome Jack was such an amazing villain it made the story good
He was also mostly as great as he was because a lot of his lines were improvised.
Notice how he wasn't as interesting in tps? It's because they had more of it written out, less wiggle room
I was expecting at least 8 different usable vault hunters without dlc
I think the story of bl2 was good because it didn't stop you every fucking second, there's like 4 cutscenes in the entire game, meanwhile in bl3 there's cutscenes when they're not even necessary, not to mention all the problems with them like the character not being there
@@skinnysnorlax1876 "huh okay. New plan. initiate plan shoot that chick in the head"
Maya's death was done so horribly that I played the rest of the game genuinely believing 90% she'd come back to life somehow. I was sure she put herself in that little book or something lmao. I was so disappointed by the end of the game man she's like my first fictional character crush and she's one of the best characters in the series imo 😭
I disagree about Aurelia. While I don't feel the plot was great with Aurelia, she's always been a bitch to everyone and not a true team player. She was a villain even when she was the vault hunter we played as in the Pre-Sequel. Just like Wilhelm and Nisha. I get what you're saying with "need all the vault hunters" but TPS was all about the bad enemies.
I agree with everything else 100% though.
Oh and the anointments have improved a bit, but like you, I wish they just never existed. That said, I just did every piece of endgame content on my Torgue Amara (Torgue is probably the worst manufacturer in BL3) and used some of the worst anointments.
She might be a bitch, but that doesn't make her stupid. She's supposed to be smart enough to know that the COV are basically blithering idiots and not very good for things living. Considering she's a thing that is living, and considering she likes living, I have my doubts she'd join them if she were a bit more in-character. Hell, that's the whole reason Marcus is in Sanctuary in 2 and 3, he's smart enough to recognize huge threats to him and his business when he sees them and he works accordingly. Also, joining up with the COV would mean being subservient to Tyreen, and Aurelia ain't about that.
@@Peasham if im not wrong aurelia talked about onöy using the cov for her own goals and then ditching them. Tbh that Sounds completely like her.
@@luca7675 This might sound weird, but I don't see her character as caring about vague goals much at all. She's turborich and never really tried to covet power quite like what the COV could offer her. She's "made it" in life, the stuff she does is mostly for fun, not for power.
I don't doubt that's what her motivation is, but I'd also say she wasn't written in-character for the majority of the game.
Remember when the lead writer of BL2 said his biggest regret was killing Nisha. And if nothing has been retconned yet a war where as many vault hunters are needed sounds a lot more interesting when there's ones that are bad and maybe even irredeemable, possibly to sabotage and/or profit off the whole thing. My point is I think Borderlands benefits a lot more have recurring villains than friendly vault hunters since without them all the pressure is on new main antagonists who if aren't "Handsome Jack levels" of good antagonist makes the whole game feel lackluster. Plus judging by the writing of new bad guys, (personally to me with the exceptions of the Truants, Freddy, and Troy if written better), they're gonna want to not kill off the well written ones so soon.
Except Aurelia actually had a turn around in her character towards the end of the claptastic voyage, she was sick of Jack, she didn't stick around to betray claptrap and she was genuinely mortified of their poor treatment towards him, it was also established in a special AMA that Gaige and Axton broke into one of her mansions and abducted her to recruit her for the upcoming "War".
I never thought of Aurelia all that much besides the personality (Which I absolutely fucking adored honestly). But watching this video did actually make me realize and say:
"Holy shit. . .this was such a missed/absolutely wasted opportunity. Imagine what more they could've done with her with they didn't FUCKING KILL HER!"
One thing I certainly wished was making her a playable character again in future titles outside of the Pre-Sequel. So much potential, thrown away and burned. .
I absolutely agree on the topic of swapping the entirety of Eden-6 for having Aurelia as an ally. 'Going Rouge' was a prolonged side quest that somehow ended up in the main story, thereby ruining my enjoyment of the quest for the fact that I'm forced to trudge through it instead of taking my time with it later.
Also... Ava is a brat whose insolence led to Maya's death, and her being rewarded with command of Sanctuary is fucking insulting.
The gameplay is stellar, so I'm still playing. If they screw up the story as badly again though, I might be done with the franchise.
I feel like Ava was a good/okay character until you left Athenas, and then the writing turned to shit. Huge amount of potential that they wasted by making her cause Maya’s death, one of the best written characters they had (imo)
@@scythe2534 it's not even just that she fucked up, it's that she doesn't get really punished for any of it. The only punishment she gets, everybody else gets too.
@@mostsatisfied1053 So she doesn't get punished? And?
@@mostsatisfied1053 She’s just not a good written character.
@@scythe2534 They should have just had the moment where reality ensues. Like she sees a chance and goes for it, rushes Tyreen and Troy, only to then get intercepted and JUST as Maya arrives with Vault Hunters in tow, we watch Ava get her fucking neck snapped by Troy while Tyreen mocks her and us VICIOUSLY.
Boom! You got your 'These two must fucking die!' moment and Maya gets a little side arc which would make sense as her ward died on HER watch! Blaming herself for enabling Ava's worst habits (which got her killed) on top of this. Then when Lilith does her little sacrifice, she hands the reigns to Maya (who hopefully will have gotten through the grief, in fact taking the failure and using it as fuel for the fire) and we thus avoid the bullshit of Unworthy folk getting command.
Aurelia legit got the best skill tree set (design and theme wise) out of every. Single. Vh.
Also her sniping tree and synergies are beyond we ever seen even on zer0, who is already a design masterclass as VHs goes...
She was very well made
Based on the class and opinion in here subjective. For Aurelia I built not sniper but frost queen mostly, where the third tree was just a spare coin. So saying that her tree is most is more like subjective opinion. I don't compare whole trees, but as a character of bl2 and tps, good trees are for next characters:
Athena
Aurelia
Krieg
Zero
Noticable:
Gaige
Nysha
I didn't play for Axton at all ever, partially played as Timopthy and Claptrap, average played as Salvador, Maya, Wilhelm
But that is subjective. Athena and Aurelia in TPS are best for me as well as Krieg and Zero in BL2. But if for the score, then it is hard to choose between three (Athena, Aurelia and Krieg), because that is why we like Borderlands - huge explosions, bullet hell and destroy everything.
She had 2 good trees. I didnt like the co op tree because...it required co op. They shouldve had an option where you could effectively use the tree in single player. Personally all the vhs in the presequel were well made. The trees were fun with good synergie. They allowed the use of off the wall weapons and made you feel powerful with absolutely decimating or dying if stopped shooting for half a sec. The skill trees changed the way your character played and thus your play style. Athena and he elemental tree was hell of fun for me. Dot damage everywhere. Jacks clones and making them ultra powerful tanks or bombs that blow up every second.
@@naturesfinest2408 there is a difference between a tree being bad and situational. Also the tree still worked on single player (you would lose a few points) but that happens to every character in a way or another when building. Her advantage was that they "over synergized" the rest to compensate that's why she is so straight foward and so good at what she does (which also compliments the design of the character, which adds to the point I made)
Aurelia is legit a masterclass in design.
@@STALKER777LK i disagree. Something being too situational can be bad. Especially if it is an entire tree
I think anointments should have just been character specific, and related to the action skill or some other fundamental part of the character like Fl4k’s pets. Bonuses towards the skill, or buffing your character in an interesting way that isn’t just damage. They also should have had lesser buffs. Like small bonuses not equal in power to the item
That's an interesting thought. I think I agree. It must be so annoying for other Vault Hunters to constantly see Iron Bear active annoints. Though I'm a moze main so I'm good haha.
I like the ones that do things other than direct damage. Like increasing accuracy during fade away or trigger shield fill effect
getting those buffs for characters that arent yours, and even so for the action skill you dont have active, is one annyoing thing to deal with! i pretty much stick with amara's grasp but most of the buffs i get are for the other stuff so i have to scrap using that weapon or painfully pay for a chance to reroll that thing to something useful. also 250 eridium is too high of a price for a reroll, especially for those that only play that game casually and arent set to grind their ass off :/
The fundamental problem is that they created a more impactful version of prefixes, but instead of each weapon having 5-8 possible anointments there are like dozens and most of them are worthless. It’s just another source of damage, except unlike prefixes there’s zero trade off so endgame is balanced heavily around perfect anoints.
Agreed and same with class mods. I don't want Amara coms when I'm playing on Zane. This has been a problem in every borderlands game.
They really did my lady Aurelia dirty.
Still better than what they did to Axton...
@@googleisevil8958 “test, test. Hey vault Hunter! You wanna play fortnite?”
- Axton, unfortunately
Thing is, your talents start to matter less the more guardian ranks you get.
The thing I hate the most in BL3 was:
1) The plot from Pre-Sequel with the guardian is never mentioned
2) When the game was announced they confirmed they will NOT be adding new vault hunters as DLC...
Also being an epic games store exclusive
I dont mind not having dlc vault hunters
Cause what if you dont like them and soent 10 bucks on the chatacter? Thats 10 bucks for someone youll ever use or force yourself to use then and not have a good time with it
Realistically though, what would adding more vault hunters do, besides more gameplay. As stated in the video, the 4 base vault hunters are barely in the game story-wise. In borderlands 2, they at least had dlc where they mentioned the other vault hunters, I.e the Son of Crawmerax and the attempted assassinations, including unique dialogue for each character In response to their respective assassins. And all of this is in a side quest for a 3-5 hour MAX dlc, which in total ( at least as far as I can remember ) is more than what they did for the 4 main vault hunters In borderlands 3. So if they can do that in a headhunter pack, then gearbox have no excuse for what they did in bl3.
* sorry I went on a tangent, I tend to do that when writing stuff
I think the Pre-sequel did the whole “make your vaulthunter feel apart of the story” the best despite Jack’s arc being the main focus. I think this is purely because everything that happened in each scene was something that your character wouldn’t have been able to stop no matter which character you took. Or at the very least restrained your character. Additionally, certain story aspects had signature responses to what your character said. While in the grand scheme of things, the responses did not change anything about the story, it did make it feel like your character was actually there rather than you speaking and then the NPC replying with the same lines they would have for every character. Love or hate the Pre-sequel, you have to admit it did a lotta good things with its characters.
Artifact drop rates... Considering they can make a difference with their passives, it makes farming them a pain (the Company Man and White Elephant being the primary examples of this).
Company man is super easy to get?
@@Sylas6540 9 different Company Man's (Men's?) and 3 random legendary stats and then 3 more random stats. All of them which have to all be good or the artifact itself is trash and you only get 1 or 2 per kill and the chances of you getting a good one let alone a god one is probably around 1 in 1000 and not everyone is able to kill Hemovorous and or Vermivorous easily.
@@ArturoPladeado idk about you bro, but I got every company man with great/perfect rolls within 20 kills.
@@Sylas6540 not everyone is Lucky McLuckinson
@@Sylas6540 it's almost as if....it's luck
When/if Borderlands 4 comes out, it truly has the potential to be the best borderlands game. If it can keep the great things about bl3 and fix its errors. (Story, anointments, mayhem levels, etc...) Man, it could be perfect
I liked the mayhem levels a lot better than the op levels of bl2. The only realy improvement for all players would be to turn off modifiers at all levels.
@@metallicnole4514 agree
OP levels get ridiculously hard to the point you need very specific gear in all characters
Mayhem is nice but those modifiers are sometimes annoying instead of challenging
@@bryancordero6532 Right those modifiers are annoying. At least we don't have to slag everything lol
DUDE
Imagine Borderlands 4 having even better loot, even better gunplay and a kickass story.
Well, I don't know what I'd do.
@@brokenbiscuit3609 It has potential, provided the war the watcher talked about in the pre-sequel was not in borderlands 3 (which I doubt it was becaue while big, the watcher had no involvement so even if it was originally bad writing that kept him out, they now have a lore reason for an even bigger and more badass war. I definitely think that the tiny tina's wonderland game (which may be set between 2 and 3 I don't know honestly) has potential and will probably attempt to rectify some lore issues and overall issues in borderlands 3
I imagine the Maya vs twins cutscene was supposed to play while the Vault Hunters were still inside the vault, but Gearbox being Gearbox, screwed that up somehow.
I might speak for a small majority but farming items in this game on PS4 is the primary reason I don’t play anymore. The load times are insane, and it kills any drive I have to play when I spend more time just staring at the screen than actually doing anything. It’s a shame too, the gameplay of BL3 is fantastic but getting there is a chore I can’t be bothered with.
The only reason I came back to BL3 was because I got a PS5
BL3 is one of the most unoptimized games I’ve played in recent years. It’s so horrible. I agree that the gameplay is great and imo the best it’s ever been in the series but holy fuck the load times are atrocious
So true, redicuous.
Tbh Bltps graphics is perfectly fine with me. Fans wanted superior graphics... and tadda!!!! Now we have BL3 but it suffers from lag and very slow loading times (unless u own a powerful new gen hardware). Sometimes fans complain too much
I literally have to find things to do while I farm. Folding clothes has never been so easy haha. Load times can suck my ass
They need a respawn mechanic. They can already do it I mean just look at scrap trap
I said it one and I'll say it again, the Aurelia fight should've been like Bloodwing's boss fight, you fight but not kill her and when she's in her critical condition, Hammerlock asks her if she still wants to work with the Calypso's, she'll begrudgingly join you but she'll have some side missions that will make her start liking the Crimson Raiders along with the player
That's dumb she's always been a villian
@@dunkindognuts3345 yes she was a bad bitch but she still had limits, like in the Pre -Sequel she didn't like the downwards spiral Jack was going into, and one of her voice lines indicate she does regret the abuse she gave to her brother, but if she didn't have all that, just killing off a character we go to know so much about, so unceremoniously just feels weird
@@FunvoltGunvolt TPS was literally all villains man they may have had voice lines that said hes over the top but they still followed him in the end also the small animal torture in echos indicates sociopath meaning her regrets could have just been interpretations of how she felt she should feel she was a villian and died a villain its fitting
@@dunkindognuts3345 i mean hammerlock says it himself "she's not exactly evil". even in the end of the pre sequel she had the guts to tell jack to off himself. she was even one of the only vh that felt bad for claptrap in claptastic voyage.
@@MrcreeperDXD777 and then teamed up with an evil cult for power and killing... seems pretty villainous
Solution to the problem about the Mayhem mode, just add a button that toggles the modifiers from active to inactive.
Your a genius
um, Mayhem 11?
@@khametrick i take it some loot is not available or lesser loot drop chance, right?
But that kinda defeats the purpose of mayhem levels
You make an excellent point on the anointments, I would also add the lack of DLC Vault Hunters, Bl2 and the pre-sequel had 2, the new skill trees are fine, but essentially its one vault hunter plus a skill tree, instead of two vault hunters with 3 skill trees a piece which encourage two new playthroughs (I played all 5 to max Op level in Bl2 for example) id have those over the Directors Cut missions
I also don’t like how the action skills were handled there’s too many and some should’ve just been skills and melee overrides
@@Ragstag Totally agree, its a good idea on paper but by making multiples it took away from the whole uniqueness of them (Such making Amara the Siren goddess to rule them all)
The main reason why BL2 felt so fluid was the lack of actual cutscenes, many of them were in game and so made us FEEL as a part of the story. You could go refill ammo, buy/sell weapons, eroding upgrades accept side quests all the while the “cutscene” is playing at the same time and doesn’t throw you out of the story. The only times cutscenes that were used was for the crucial moments; rolands death or the end of the game. I wouldn’t count the intro scenes as “crucial” but they are awesome for setting/hyping up the boss fight.
The problem with the cutscenes in BL3 is that there are wayy too many of them that it blots the game. You spend so long not actually playing the game, and the few times that they use in game cutscenes it feels worthless there is very little expression going on otherwise.
Just to add, I thought a cool way to do mayhem levels would have been to run a gauntlet in order to progress from Mayhem 1 to Mayhem 2. Ie a small wave defence/gauntlet followed by a mini boss and this would get increasingly harder until you get to Mayhem 10 and to complete the Mayhem (get to M11) you had to defeat each of the min bosses in turn to advance and “finish” a character. BL2 may have had a tedious and lengthy end game but atleast it felt SUPER worthwhile finishing it
And everyone got Siren powers, like there can be 7 sirens in the UNIVERSE but suddenly there's a bunch of them right here on Pandora. Dafaq ??
@@thewanderingartists EXACTLY, BL3 suddenly made the ENTIRE UNIVERSE of borderlands feel so small and contained. They could have explained it by all the sirens feeling a calling to Pandora or something based on the siren logs or something but instead they are using coincidence in order to explain it. Thanks for reminding me about that nonsense :D
how dare you say fl4k is lonely with "the animals"
he's the only one with real friends
I mean…yeah. And that’s actually kinda ironic, having the robot who doesn’t care about anything human be the only one with friends 😂
Can a robot have friends?
If they can, wouldn't Moze also have a friend?
The only thing I hate about bl3.
I'll keep saying this till the end of my days, I don't like how they killed off Maya just to force Ava to be a siren. I understand it's nature for girls around Ava's age to not listen to adults that much but imagine if she actually stayed up in Sanctuary Maya could have had a chance to fight back but we'll never know. I mean if the cutscenes were real time where were we at? The cutscene started as we exited the vault so surely we would have been there.
I would have liked it much better if Maya was still alive and they killed Lilith off and allowed Ava to have just a portion of Lilith's powers since in my opinion Ava looked up more to Lilith than she did Maya. Sure she left and shielded us from Elpis but they said they were only giving her break and that she'll be back, I for one hope that she is gone for good. I like Lilith don't get me wrong but she's kind of annoying. Lilith has been in all the games and I believe it's about time she goes away for good.
Ava made big mistakes, got somebody important killed, and was rewarded for it in the end. Terrible decision making by the writers, IMO.
Borderlands 3 story is like dancing arround big elephants in the room. Ex: Everybody says there can only be 4 sirens, but since Tyreen and Troy were born, there were 5. And depending on when Tannis got her powers, 6. Nobody points out that Maya dies because of Ava, Ava has no character Arc, yet she becomes the LEADER of the crimson raiders when Lillith sacrifices herself? After killing graveward Tannis get phaselo cked and Teleport out of nowhere, when the Calypso twins were on another fricking planet. Tyreen has the chance of killing Lillith twice, and doesn't do that and etc. The First thing I would do would be going after everyone before going after any vault: Axton, Salvador, Gaige, Krieg, Mordecai, Brick, Tina and so on. On DLC 3, when have the fricking CEO of Jakobs on speed dial cuz we saved his and his husband ass yet we never call to ask about anything? BL3 Story gives me a big headache
One thing I hated about Borderlands 3 was Troy Calypso's wasted potential. When Troy told the player about his plan to overtake his sister with his new Siren powers, I couldve amde him a more of an interesting character and having him betray Tyreen in a cutscene would've been a surprising twist
I was expecting something like that
Funny enough I just returned to BL3 and just started fresh with the Beastmaster class and having fun with the class. And coming back, I remember a few things that still bugged me, and one of those you have listed, the vault hunters not in the main game cutscenes. That is still one thing that still bugs me, we just stay on the sidelines and we just watch what happens. It just seems we were just incapacitated off screen and we just couldn't make it in time, the Tyreen taking Lilith's powers made sense the door closed on us but the death of Maya was the one that just didn't make sense. We just walked up to them talking and then POOF we just disappeared. I think if the cutscene played out where we're there, the death of Maya might of hit more hard for us, the fact we tried to do something, if that makes sense. I can't talk about end game too much, cause I stopped for a while after beating the main game but I remember thinking that the endgame for BL3 was better than the other games but it seems the endgame was a little limited in a way. I don't know I'll have to try and stick to the endgame content to see the flaws I missed. Kinda funny timing how we came back to BL3 at the same time. Good video by the way!
I was literally just talking about this with my friends. We made a list of our own with all the world problems we were able to think of and got to 14. Not even including the gameplay elements that feel off putting.
All the points you make are valid, ESPECIALLY Aurelia being teased as an ally only to be made cartoonishly evil. The cutscene thing is also super annoying.
The lack of previous vault hunters involving themselves in the story or even CARING about what’s happened to their friends (can’t believe Zer0 had NOTHING to say about Maya), the lack of an explanation of lore in the base game (like what lottery system chooses the next siren, what happened to Rhys & Fiona at the end of Tales, etc.) just tear this game down from being even close to a 10/10. There’s way too many inconsistent aspects both story & gameplay wise for me to turn a blind eye.
Also class mods in this game feel so meh compared to the jaw dropping, game changing experiences you’d have when you got the perfect Scream Sickle, Legendary Toast, Chaotic Neutral Monk, etc.
agree
Ummm what do you mean about the class mods not feeling great? Every legendary mod adds a unique bonus to your character that actually changes the way you play. Mind-sweepers micro bombs, Peregrine’s grenade drops, hell the Seein Dead mod was a HUGE game changer when it came out, because it fixed Zane’s one fatal flaw: kill skills will activate while in FFyL! And those are just a few examples.
The class mods in BL2 were great don’t get it twisted, but they never emphasized me to play a certain way that was different from what I was previously doing. So I honestly don’t understand what you mean by that.
@@windebiesteultima3317 I agree there are a few things BL3 has right compared to BL2; but generally the whole system feels weird to me. The abilities are amazing don’t get me wrong; but the skills feel like an afterthought instead of a main focus.
Only 5 total points which; most of the time go to skills that aren’t as important to your build comparatively. Phasezerker, Nimbus, Dragon, St4ckbot, Red F4ng, De4deye, Critical Mass, Shockerator, Cold Warrior, and Rocketeer all feel lackluster/random with their skill choices/point distribution. Heck even Bounty Hunter could maybe actually boost the kill skills that it promotes (aside from most dangerous game). The amount of points these skills get in a normal roll (1-2) doesn’t feel impactful enough to not invest in the skill anyway if you really cared for the skill in your build unlike BL2.
This whole thing low key makes me wish that purple tree wasn’t behind a paywall so that maybe the new skills could be considered to be put onto old COM’s if they’re better suited.
@@Noksnonsense okay now I’m understanding you better. I do agree there’s quite a few mods who’s special effect does almost nothing, (More than half of those belong to Fl4k honestly) but I do wish they put more care into making each legendary mod feel unique and worthwhile instead of just giving Moze all the good ones.
Seriously, her class mods are completely busted.
@@windebiesteultima3317 definitely. That little list I just gave only has one Moze mod on it. Rocketeer. And even THAT is still pretty good if you build for it. I don’t know if Zane or Fl4k have the most lopsided balance for class mods. But we can all agree they’re almost all bad.
As for your other point. What I meant by different playstyles is that I would find a COM in BL2 and specifically go back to sanctuary to respec so I can try it out. Or at least CONSIDER it. I wouldn’t even have to fully investing in the skills, since one point is more than enough to feel the impact of all the amazing skills since your COM grants them +4 to +6. Which also makes me sad that BL3 is so reliant on legendary loot, and there are only a few exceptions to the rule where you would wanna try out a neat blue/purple weapon, shield, grenade or COM.
I've always felt that way about the vault hunters, that in the games you play them, they're just avatars and not characters, only for the next game to flesh them out, and that's a frustrating way to tell stories especially when YOUR FUCKING MAIN is killed just a few hours into Borderlands 3. At least Roland's death had some meaning, and you got to know him through more than half the game. I have no problem with writers killing off characters, but she barely had time to be one. Maya was shortchanged as a character in favor of shoehorning in some siren lore, and that turned me off on the game. And to the point of playable vault hunters meaning nothing to the stories, I mained Amara (I've always mained the sirens in the series), and I kept waiting for Tyreen to go after her and try to suck out her powers or to at least explain why she doesn't, but (I assume, as I gave up halfway through) she never does. That's bad storytelling--maybe, with the plot focused on sucking out the powers of sirens, we shouldn't have been able to play as one, but then again, why not give Amara some unique sequences where she has to fight off Tyreen while the other vault hunters have to protect her. Would that have been so hard to do?
This is what borderlands the pre sequel did the best each character had unique dialogue and interacted with other npcs and playable characters making them feel alive and the skill trees had more gimmicks
I'm calling it now
When wonderlands comes out
Instead of annointments it's gonna be enchantments
Of course
I literally haven't even finished the Krieg DLC and they are both my favorites. I got to Maya and immediately stopped playing. Her death broke my heart. She was my first vault hunter that I ever played and I loved her back story. Maya deserved a better death then what Gearbox gave her. If she died fighting then I would have been more okay then with that little tap from that piece of shit Troy. All the shit characters live like Ava and Tannis but Maya dies...
Although it didn’t change anything, I got great satisfaction out of killing Troy about eight more times than necessary.
For me
#5 Ava
#4 Ava
#3 Ava
#2 The handling of Maya's death
#1 Ava
1. I dont like how we dont have echoes that delves further into to the vualt hunters
2. Vualt hunter dont say anything and dont try to stop what's happening during a cutscenes( could at least have out vh have our gun trained on tyreen and troy)
3. Troy not betraying tyreen. Why not ? Tyreen is nothing but a blather mouth. Troy is the brains, with power he obtained he could figured away to shrink the power gap and overthrew tyreen changing his method of engagement . Troy actually had potential but it was squandered.
4. No new dlc vault hunters . I understand that what gearbox wanted and all , I love 4th skill trees but imagine all of that with 5th or 6th character. Just a waste of potential for more replay value added.
5. Certain weapons types removed from manufacturers. No hyperion pistols and no maliwan rocket launchers. No opportunity taken to introduce gun types into the current manufacturers like a hyperion assault rifles, vladof shotguns, and atlas smgs.
6. The previous vault hunters not having much sway or presence in the story like borderlands 2. Axton, Krieg, salvador, gaige, and athena are completely M.I.A during the main story . Just maya, zero and arielle as an enemy .
I still really enjoy the game and new vault hunters ( love moze and zane) besides amara. its just some things about the game just seem disappointing.
On top of everything you mentioned farming is a MAJOR pain in the ass for XB1/PS4 players. I'm hoping that Tiny Tina's Wonderlands improves on these issues, because that game has ridiculous amounts of potential
We need a “rest” button were ot reloads the map without you going back to menu
Also they need to make artifacts or class mods with their own type of double jump or glide. Say what you will about destiny but the varying ways you can maneuver in the battlefield is well executed
Yeah Destiny did do really good with that
I love the one in which slide speed was is fast.
side missions and echo logs explain peoples stories... it was always like that.... zane is related to captain flynt in bl2.
5 things about Borderlands 3 I didn’t like:
1->5) Ava
They need to bring back Anthony Burch everyone in the community knows that 2 was the best game It had fluid gunplay and a great story he was the one who made borderlands popular no one looks at b1 and says that's what made the series.
I really don't think that's a good idea
I didnt expect a better villain than handsome jack... but I didnt expect a couple of angsty emo teenagers with unexplained super powers. Fun game, disappointing story for the most part
I mean, I liked Troy. I think we can agree Tyreen was the bad part of the Calypso Twins as a whole.
I still am annoyed by how hard they dropped the ball with the Main Story
While i do love some of the characters
Clay, Wainright, The B-Team, Rhys, Lorelei (Though she could still use some work), and a few others
How they handled the main plot ruined a good part of the game for me
I still love playing the game, it's fun as hell, but All 4 Main DLCs have better stories then the Main Game's!
There was so much they could have done with each planet, with the story, with making the Villains actually likeable and not just annoying dickbags who are overly "Hip & Young"
But it feels like that whoever was in charge of the Story, didn't give a shit, while the person in charge of Gameplay did
The nerfing of legendary drop rates, you already mentioned that the anointments need to be either rerolled or refarmed, but the weapon has to drop before you can even consider those options.
RNG aside, it's incredibly difficult to get a legendary drop in some cases, particularly in Arms Race.
Mayhem 10 , vanilla weapons and powerful enemies, get to a chest and there's no legendary items!
Tbh in most cases you get at least 2 legendary out of a Single Arms race
@@luca7675
Not for me, I've run through around 20 or so times in a single run and received not one from a chest, the end boss has dropped at least one though.
I'm specifically going after the Plasma Coil, I grabbed pretty much everything before the nerf.
It's not only there, I've been refarming instead of rerolling anointments and having to try over 50 times for an item, only to an non anointed version when it does drop, multiple times!
I feel that the real reason for lowering the drop rates is because they want us to keep playing until the Tina content drops, I started 3 months ago, but I'd assume most people started last year and have mostly moved on.
@@luca7675 Wouldn't you know it after months of farming and this comment I finally got a Plasma Coil!
@@p4rt_t1me_g0d Nice!
I didnt like the online thing in borderlands 3, in borderlands 2 and tps there was match browsing and match making you could also switch your character last second to an insanely over leveled character and just help randoms and shit now u can only do that if your friends with them already its just not as impactful the game feels dead if you cant play with randoms half the time the multiplayer match making sucks and cant connect to a game for like an hour they shouldve implemented match browsing
Honestly the first point, where the vault hunters should be more incorporated would be amazing…cause I really wished each cutscene at least had some dialogue from the vault Hunter or them at least interacting with the characters on screen
The parts I don't like about BL3:
- How frequently legendaries drop compared to BL2
- How they handle the story in general. (Maya, Ava, no mention of the guardian from P-S)
- A lot of things from BL2 I thought would transition into BL3, haven't yet. (Pearls, UVHM)
- (Bit nit-picky but...) I wasn't a big fan of Moze's Green tree.
While pearls I can understand (raid boss unique loot), the UVHM part has no place in BL3. You don't have slag anymore and radioactivity is about spreading and damage ignorance, not damage increase. We have cryo, but it should be for explosions, while in BL3 explosions is not element, but the effect. UVHM will not give anything to the game, really. Unless radiation would just be strong melt point dealing like true damage (counting that enemies can have 3 life levels), UVHM would just have no space.
@@maksymisaiev1828 There are builds that can actually one shot bosses.
@@toddhammond1953 there are builds, who can do the same in borderlands 2 on OP10. UVHM does not solve this problem. But even compared to BL2, there are more frequent immune phases for bosses in BL3 (in BL2 I remember like 5-10 bosses with DLCs where immune phase had a place). What made UVHM as a new playground for BL2 and TPS:
Increased Slag\Cryo damage. While cryo is useful all over the TPS game, slag in BL2 just good debuff before UVHM. You literally don't need slag until you reach UVHM.
Reduce usage of fire weapon. While non-element\explosive still may be useful and didn't receive big changes, fire weapon was substituted by slag in UVHM, because most monster or shielded, or armored or both.
More choices for weapons. While pearl weapons can be received in TVHM, not all of them are reachable because of pearl drop rate. So UVHM has a fix for its complexity by proposing annoints.
What of this can be used in the term of the BL3:
BL3 has literally no element which provides benefits for enemy killing (Cryo is not big one deal, as we are not in space anymore, so not everything is easy freezable and no explosion for mega damage as well)
All elements are balanced, as there are no profit to use only one element in general (there are exceptions, but they mostly builds specific). We still need shock, corrosive and fire to kill all staff, as simple guys are mostly flesh, but tough guys have many layers of defense for different elements.
Annoints partially solve the issue with pearl-like weapons.
So UVHM doesn't give any benefits from the current game perspective.
@@maksymisaiev1828 Fine... Fair enough. I still don't understand but whatever.
I was hoping they were going to bring back rainbow rarity from bl2 last dlc. You get a certain set of weapons and they buff each other but theyre very specific weapons and mods. Like a fire weapon flamethrower with a fire grenade and a firmens suit shield that makes fire damage with this set fun and very unique. You would(nt)* be able to kill robots or heavily shielded things with it but flesh burns fast. It is unique, powerful, fun, rare. The possibilities are abound.
Anointments have killed the experience from the start for me, and Troy and Tyreen don’t work as main antagonists to me.
I hate also how inferior class mods are in bl3 like why do we have randome bonus's on every class mod. Isn't the point of a class mod in borderlands is to enhance the playstyle u want to play. Like all the non legendary class mods are completely useless for end game and most of the legendary class mods are medicore and require specific anointments to be good. Borderlands 3 is a lot more flawed than people realize.
Having just returned after a long break myself, I have to agree with the majority of what you said. I'm having fun for the moment, with the new talent trees and extra points but yeah so much of the story, character involvement, and very much agree with your completionism and mayhem issues.
Whoever wrote aurelia into this mess of a story didn't have the slightest clue what she was.
Wanting to patch things up with her brother held back by pride became just wanting to mess with him.
Leaving the luxury of riches for danger and hunting a vault became obsession over money and calling vault hunters whores.
"Piss off jack" became allying with the twins. And becoming almost a lackey for them whilst being a "master" before.
She doesn't even use a sniper, its almost as if they confused her with nisha.
In fact, believing that she took a page out of jacks book and made a doppelganger to dodge the heat of tps events (she is rich enough to afford it) probably yvette from tales, makes much much more sense than this version actually being her.
The double got screwed over in the deal or wants out explains the hate towards vault hunters, hammerlocks and many other things. That is my personal head cannon and i don't care what GBX intended.
*this*
I still am upset by the way they did her. I remember the reveal they did for the game and they had her like standing near Hammerlock and that gave the impression she was not only back in but also kind of an ally to me. Also I just remember another weak thing they did to her as a character. There was like an echo tape I believe of her negotiating with Troy and basically its implied shes gonna bang him (she says something in regards to doing something sexual with her frost powers to him...sigh) Ultra rich, planet owning, ex vault hunter badass lady with class...and they have her resorting to a sexual favor to a brat like Troy.
I dont think it was a double in tps or in bl3. Even though i wish it was in bl3
stealing this headcannon, Aurelia was my favorite VH in TPS (fragtrap being close second due to the absolute chaotic gameplay) and 3 did her SO dirty.
She is my leaat favorite character from my least favorite borderlands, but you're 100% right.
Tho they also added or subtracted weird shit from....all the male characters in bl1
Mordy never mentioned alcohol in bl1. Roland had an actual personality. Brick was more than just a punchline. That all kinda decayed over time.
The writers are basically just tumblr bloggers at this point. The games would honestly be improved by not having a story at this point
My favorite thing about anointments was the ability to crash my game if I wanted. I remember seeing moxsy’s video on ricochet witch and was like I need that in my life I want to crash my game for fun to me crashing the game is the ultimate feeling of power and. I have beat the game.
It's always irked me that pianos don't make noise when shot like they did in borderlands 2. It's such a small detail but I loved it in bl2
I quit 3 ages ago mate around level 61 or 53 ish level cap I just have way more fun playing borderlands 2 I like the end game grind I like doing challenge runs and I just like the story more dude these no raid bosses all dlcs suck story sucks vault hunters are okay
I find it a shame we don't got a higher tier then legendary, with BL1 we had pearlescent and with BL2 we had seraph.
And the raidbosses, how many had BL2, like 10 or 11 and in BL3 we got 3.
there was also the efferesent
They could EASILY have made the Mayhem exclusive stuff the Pearlescent rarity.
They could just copy Destiny and add a exotic rarity
By far the most awful thing about BL3 are the extraordinarily long expositions, listening someone talk so we can advance. The best example is early in the game. You are waiting for Lilith to stop watching TV so she can open the door for you. You have NOTHING else to do but to wait.. for a SIREN to stop watching TV.. That is insane game design decision.. You can't go anywhere, there is nothing to loot.. you just stand there and at 2nd play thru you are running against the door saying "let me out, let me out, let me out!".
The unskippable dialogue that prevents you from progressing is by far the worst thing, it is special how much it makes you HATE THE STORY, cause the story is in your way, constantly stopping you. The day i learned how to remove dialogue changed everything. I was ready to move on and stop playing before i had used all the characters. When i removed the dialogue: the game has excellent pacing. It is amazing to play like that, of course, you are not linked to the story at all but at least the game is fun.
Some of the dialogue scenes are MINUTES long and if you haven't yet learned the whole game, you can't progress. Several times you have to wait for a long time, only to be told to drive to the other side of the map: bitch, i would already be there if you had just given me the map marker.
Really weird that this is not #1 complaint in this list, i seriously was going to give up on the WHOLE FRANCHISE because of it.
edit: another example of this is when you navigate to new planet the first time.. and have to wait to say something to Lilith. Why? Why can't i talk to her while the ship is moving? SHE IS RIGHT THERE. You can't run downstairs to the drop pod like you can for the rest of the game... You have to.. wait, then say fucking one word and then are free to progress. Who makes decisions like that? I want to meet that man or woman.
"loot the area while waiting" 💀
I feel like borderlands has been in decline ever since Bl2 somewhere around the time the DLC's were being released and a new manager or someone up at the head office just poped into power. Ever since that, borderlands just feels off.
Troy: Killing Maya
Me: WHERE THE FUCK IS IRON BEAR?
Watching annoying characters suffer while keeping my mouth shut is just good roleplaying.
I agree but I’d reorder 1 and 2
Auralia was (and still is) my favorite character in the borderlands franchise
There were missions where she expressed a love for her younger brother even if she kept her distance and despite his loathing of her. And she expressed moral discomfort with the killing of the scientists
So she wasn’t HEARTLESS or EVIL she just didn’t let her feelings influence her business decisions
They could have kept everything the same but in the moment of her defeat she could have dropped her loot and ran or given up!
It wouldn’t have even been the first time that a boss fight ended with a sliver of health left
havent watched the video yet so im not sure if its included. but honestly one of my biggest problems with this game is how underwhelmingly easy it is for a first playthrough. due to them buffing most of the weapons to be mayhem 10 viable, the first playthrough is easy to the point of it not being fun. basically killing bosses before they can even attack. annointed enemies not feeling special at all anymore. ive been playing through it again recently and my level 13 maggie is still 1 or 2 shotting pretty much every enemy and im level 32
agree. I just did a playthrough where I enabled TVHM from level 1 through mods. Got a level 23 Unkempt Harold that I used until level 62... it would one-shot Hardened Tink Tanks and bosses for about 20 levels.
you're so right, I cant stand the fact that maya just, dies while my god killer character is practically standing there
I think it would also be fun that all the Vaulthunter that the players are not playing right now are doing stuff on the sanctuary even if the only hang in the bar and drink. So that the Player doesn't fell like one man army. The 4 Vaulthunters are on this Adventure not just one.
Well that should be more of a cutscene thing IMO, Bc if they were on sanctuary with u they should also be fighting with u and it would be 3 npcs with u at all times that are like unkillable and can revive u lol, the vh should all just appear in cutscenes with the base skins except for u if u have a customized skin on
I think, if they keep Anointments for BL4, it should be player controlled, Tanis makes some tech that channels eridium into a weapon and can either make a weapon gain extra stats and perks (up to 3-5, 3 for blue to White, purple gets 4, and legendaries get 5) or spend eridium to make a weapon level up to player level if theres one you specifically want to keep relevant to your level because you like it that much, it'd make the system feel better
1. The vault hunter does and doesn’t exist in cutscenes.
2. Everything about non directors cut Ava
3. (maybe all my friends are jerks buuut) There’s no loot protection in co op. I shouldn’t have to race against my team to get to a pile of loot from i dude thatI was responsible for exploding.
4. There’s not enough of the previous characters (not just the previous VHs but like Ellie etc)
5. I get that the bear is tall but, I don’t wanna get out of my bear cus it can’t fit through a corridor
Point 3
Didn't they have a game mode specifically so that loot ninjas won't loot ? You have to select that before game starts.
@@thewanderingartists I think that only covers the base game and not true vault hunter mode or w/e it's called.
I remember joking about how me and my friends werent in the cutscene for Maya's Death. But as we joked about it more during the scene we realized this was a big problem.
I really hated killing my main in TPS. I agree, at least with all the audio from TPS, her death was unnecessary
Aurelia's entire character arc in TPS was her realizing that she wasn't as "evil" as she claimed herself to be. Not only is she horrified by Felicity's deletion and the senseless murder of the scientists like the rest of the morally good TPS Vault Hunters, but in the Claptastic Voyage DLC, she's the only one (other than Athena) to actually _apologize_ to Claptrap when he finally snaps back at the group after far too many insults. Some of her lines also indicated that she regrets abusing her brother in the past
So its no surprise that fans of the game were deeply disappointed by the writers making her a full-on villain
The BL1 comics were the best and I wish we got something like that for the BL3 vault hunters
We probably will at some point
Now talk about good things in BL3, its so hard transitioning from BL3 to BL2 gameplay wise
Or any of the games, the gameplay is so much better, like the sliding mantling, I never thought I’d use mantling as much as I did but u can use it in so many places and then u play another bl game and try to slide or mantle and just get frustrated
@@connorstetts859 Yes! I usually play gaige and maya all the time, now it feels so stiff gameplay wise
Dropping a like for Aurelia
pls made cl4p-tp story
So basically things I don't like Borderlands 3:
1. The Story and Dialogue
2. The Story and Dialogue
3. The Story and Dialogue
4. The Story and Dialogue
5. The Story and Dialogue
I don’t like that nearly every character is annoying. With the exception of Fl4k, Zane, Hammerlock, Clay, and Balex no one is fun to listen to and continuously grates on my every nerve.
The combat is good, but if I wanted great shooter combat, I’ll play Dusk or DOOM
My 5 things: 1. Troy should have been the last boss as his story is far more intriguing than his sisters, the Destroyer should have corrupted him to be an avatar. The Destroyer should be the end boss for B4.
2. Vault monsters are a push over and are few in numbers. We hunt like 2 vaults out of 4 (im not counting Tyreen). Gythian would have been an amazing vehicle boss fight. With Atlas/Jakobs troops assisting. Something like B2 Bunker boss fight.
3. Where is Vladof and DAHL in this conflict, they are both like the largest corporations in the game.
4. Planet exploration seems hollow, why give us planets to look at if there is nothing to really see. Hell Pandora doesnt have the Helios crash site on it and Helios was 1/5th the size of Elpis. Necrotefao (butchered) has no explanation or shock value that 1/4 of the planet has exploded.
5th. Everything Eruptionfang is aggressively accurate that Gearbox needs to see and listen to.