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The legal definition (original definition) of harassment is when someone does or says something to or about you that you deem offensive and you ask or tell them to stop/cease and they don't. There is harassment and then there is criminal harassment. If EA-Ski was saying or doing something that was made clear by other parties to be offensive and they asked him explicitly to stop/cease and he doesn't, it does constitute harassment. However it's not criminal harassment as there is no economic or physical threats involved. It's all kinda childish and stupid. Grown ass men arguing over the sound of a piece of overpriced gear. it was overpriced back then and it's still overpriced. EA just seems to want to justify the older version because its what he likes.
I think it boils down to this, 90% of people are sick of all the corporate bullshit. We’ve been dealing with it for 30+ years. Yes, every company needs to make a profit but if thats your sole purpose than you cant be trusted. This leads to misleading advertising and putting out products that in end, artists dont need. We also find ourselves in a strange time. A company doesn’t need to be a huge system with thousands of employees to be corporate anymore. An individual (content creator) can be corporate simply by not being honest with their followers and focusing only on profits. There’s also the problem of “content creators” being paid by bigger companies while pretending to be independent artists. Theres nothing wrong with making $$, but if thats the sole goal, your no longer an artist. You’re a corporation and people should know that.
What shocked me the most is his apology. He was like oh this guy was big someday I can’t compete lets make a fake apology. Is this what you principles stands for? If he wasn’t known and had experience you wouldn’t even apologize what a great POS. Anyway nobody cares about this nonsense paid actor. Internet is already full with these guys.
The HUGE problem was that this time the one criticizing Akai was an OG, an actual Akai gear user and one of the best hip-hop producers of all time. So what happens? The Matrix crumbles. Even a few of Akai's minions came out against E-A-Ski just for being honest about a product and ended up looking stupid. 🤷♂
I'm used to delusional fanboys, and I get wanting to defend a good product from non-relevant gripes. But I was shocked at the random nonsense Ave was grasping at. I don't care about MPC X/Live/One at all, so it's funny whenever I'm forced to hear about it. A couple years ago, Jade Wii posted a free-wheeling negative review of the latest MPC. I can't tell you which machine, because I can find no evidence of the review's existence. The Akai Army moved in swiftly to _re-educate_ Jade. 😒
@@defcreator187 bro don’t be a moron. Ski is a legend who’s worked with reputable, respected and acknowledged greats of the golden era. Just because you know about some hip-hop you like doesn’t mean you know dick about hip hop or the real vets who’ve acknowledged his worth and his craft. I’m a hip hop fan. That means all that stuff from the early 80’s , to mainstream 90’s stuff, to the backpack stuff like Rawkus and Company Flow, the nerdy kids from Ohio stuff, Def Jux, etc.. just say you don’t know shit instead of acting like your the bookkeeper of this shit. Nerd.
@@crnkmnky akai users are still in shock and denial about the take-over by Maschine. cognitive dissonance, because MPC was supposed to be the King. It's been a long come back. first they convinced themselves that akai was catching up in the mobile game, then in the features game, and now in the stand alone game. hence the drama about convertors.
There's a difference between the quality not being the same as the older products in the same line vs. The quality being bad. The newer MPCs sound quality is NOT bad quality- it's a cleaner sound. Those old converters weren't made with extremely high priced capacitors and parts- they were the cheapest they could find at the time for mass production. People happen( particularly hip hop producers) to like the crunch in the sound. But to say that sound was better is subjective. 95% of the newer producers had no problems with the sound until someone told them they should. To me, that "sound" is 100% associated with 80s,90s boom bap. When you hear it its immediately recognizable. But in today's music- "sound" has moved forward...as it should. When was the last time your mix engineer, collab partner, or mastering engineer told you that they couldn't do their job because your "sound" was produced on a new MPC? Never happened. The whole argument is both valid and it's cap at the same time. Akai isn't ripping anybody off just because they aren't willing to go backwards in time to appease a handful of seasoned producers- when their demographic is the younger crowd. To be clear, I know exactly was SKI is talking about, there is a sound difference, but that difference is not a big deal..to most. Let me add, just because someone has a "resume" doesn't make them correct at whatever they say. Do your own research and ask yourself would that "sound difference" stop you from making money/feeding your family? No...so what's that arguing for.
Sweet summarizing! Owned every MPC but I stay with the live since I don’t have a studio anymore and tracking my 3k got just different. Still this sound talk gets under my eardrum.
I feel like there are so many cheap/free resources to effectively add a vintage quality to your sound. Maybe this is ignorant to say, but I feel like you could just run your MPC X through a Boss SD-1 with the levels way down and achieve this
I think the heart of the matter is "SOUND". I'm 52 years old. I've seen this technology go through a lot of changes. For me personally, I like the sound of the older machines. That's what I grew up on. I always associated the difference in sound with the bit depth of the samplers. To me, 12 bit and 16 bit [and some 8 bit] samplers sound better. The Rossum SP1200 goes for $4k in 2023 because of it's 12 bit sound. Most of the songs that I consider to be "classics" were made on 12 bit and 16 bit samplers. The minute that 24 bit samplers became the norm is when the "magic" in the sound died. On paper 24 bit/96 khz or higher looks impressive. To a sample based hip hop/house producer, those higher spec samplers sound flat, lifeless, and dull. Again, this is just my perspective. In a perfect world, I would love to see an MPC with all of the workflow of a MPC X, but with a true 12 or 16 bit signal path end to end. No need for any sample rates above 44.1khz. An adjustable sample rate would be the best situation. I really feel as if there's something magical about the sound of lower spec samplers. Just my $.02.
I grew up on MPC60,s 3000, 2000xl, SP1200's, Roland W30's and sequencers like the MC500 and Atari Notator/Creator too, it's not just about sound for me, it's also timing. Some of the early machines have very distinct timing.
Do you know how hard it is to get a major placement much less a major placement that's a hit? Take it from someone who's done BOTH on ONE song. Just cause someone doesn't have a "major placement" doesn't make them a "fake producer".🤦
@@MadACeTeeMack So one of these "fake producers" gets a major placement all of a sudden you take them serious NOW?👀 You can be "in the game" for years from studio to studio and NEVER get a MAJOR placement. That doesn't invalidate your knowledge of production. If you don't understand that i can't help you🤷
@@MadACeTeeMack Yes you need help understanding how hard it is to get a "major placement". You made an ignorant statement on a public forum which left your original post open for criticism.🤦This is why there is a reply tab.🤷
Used to be a big fan of Ave (still am a fan), but man he loves starting petty unessecary drama trying to defend Akai when everyone knows he's in the wrong. Started with the benn jordan thing (where Ave was wrong just like he is once again now). 1 of 1.
Plenty of established HipHop producers new and old have been backing EA SKI publicly over social media. I hope in the end Akai sees it, listens to the feedback and comes through with better products for the MPC community. But what do I know? Akai may just block them all, like Andy Mac blocked EA Ski and just give us a MPC Live 3-SE with a couple more gigs of ram as a cash grab.
It’s ridiculous to compare these new digital tools to old school saturation. Like in the early days of pro tools, the saturation isn’t part of the process and it’s up to you to engineer that.
Much appreciated run down! Agreed that MPC people are a little nutty about their gear and go ape whenever people complain about them I know this dynamic well as an Elektron fan.boy. Same dynamic there...
You Had Me Rollin, Especially When You Talked About Calling People Corny...Lol, When You Filled In For SummSummSumm At The NAM Show, I Explained That Making Beatz Is Like Ah High Because It Takes Me Into A Zone... You Said That My Statement Sounded Corny and I Almost Got Mad At You For Not Understanding That's MY TRUTH, That Being Said, I Actually Began To RESPECT You More Because You Were Stating Your TRUTH... However Once I Saw At The Conference Where They Had Some Sound Engineers Speaking At The NAM Show, One Speaker Explained His Motivation And He Basically Said What I Said But It A More Artful Way, So I Felt Vindicated.😁 Sometimes We Nerds Are Pure As GOLD and Our TRUTHS Carry The Most VALUE. So Again I Thank You. MAKING MUSIC IS KING! 👍🏽👍🏽🎶🎶❗
You can add the MPC 60, 3000, SP 1200 emulation on the New MPC. Add in the Transient Shaper plug-in and mix to taste. There is also a stock resampler. You can add all kinds of filters to each individual pad. It’s in the second screen pad effects. Are the producers using the tools available? We don’t know what others don’t know.
Koala sampler is 7 bucks with the expansion and does everything sampling wise in a much more logical manner. Run it in logic on a 256 gb iPad Air m1 with an mpk and a soundcard of your choice,32 tracks in benchmark with a ton of fx on each track. Nah tablet+ controller is the future for me.
@@koalemos1679 I think the big thing is you can’t see the whole track in one view. Everything is very compartmentalized in a way where you cant see the full picture. But also the Force has an arranger view and people want that on the MPC already. But I agree, Maschine was the same way and I never understood why people wanted an arranger view that badly and there were a lot of things in my opinion that should have been a priority with that product… but NI has made it a sinking ship so I abandoned it.
@@ChumpyDumps That’s fair, even in the piano roll you’re stuck with whatever track you have currently selected. That also gives more context to why people want clip mode from the Force. They need a more robust system for recalling presets. It doesn’t save per pattern. You can change favorites manually but I could never get my custom presets to save as a favorite. My MPC Live was a damn mess.
@@crnkmnky JustBlaze the producer. He didn't have issues with the sound, he had issues the the MPC 5K was a buggy mess with missing features. So he put Akai on blast and they addressed most of them by the end. So Weaver is right that putting this out can make a difference. That being said the MPC X sounds fine. If it sounds thin, you are using it wrong imo. There are so many tools inside that box that thin is the last thing you should be hearing.
@@LaidbackSounds Weaver is the Sanjay C of music industry drama. All of the BS that he reports on is fantastic. The transformation would be complete if Weaver’s lady would go around to people and get free absurdities to feature on the channel.
1. MPC Live/One/X etc. Have vintage emulation you can turn on in the settings. It's global, yes, but it's there. 2. I once compared 2000XL, 2500 and 4000. Recording control samples at same volume gave pretty much the same results. There was a clear difference with filters though. Aside converters there are also limiters built into the old MPCs and the fact that a 30 year old beatmachine has pretty worn out capacitors. If you recap it the "analog warmth" would be pretty much gone. 3. I forgot what I was planning to write here. 4. Oh, just remembered. It's interesting that now we want to have all analog dawless setups while not that long ago it was all about sound quality. Seems more like a fashion than preference. Just like everyone now is having a mustache and wearing old sweaters.
What a masterpiece of a documentary. Akai, all eyes on you now. This could either be a really good turn around for them if they take positive feedback from this but seeing their history how they did Roger Linn wrong, not to mention how they stole the limited edition color design of the MPC 4000 from Bruce Forat at Forat Electronics, I doubt it. They’ve had some very questionable business practices on how they go about things & it’s all starting to show. This needed to happen 💯
The Akai brandname has been owned by 3 different companies. Roger Linn hasn't been involved with the MPC line since the 2K (that was like 1995 with the OG Akai). The MPC 4K was another company entirely, then inMusic bought the brand and made the 2.5K, 1K and 5K and current MPCs. Imo inMusic has been a pretty good steward of the brand.
The old converters did a great job of making drums hit harder. It’s not that hard to do that in the new mpc with plugins if you know what plugins you need to make that sound. The bigger issue is the cost. It’s not enough to justify the price. I think it should have introduced linear production. Then roll it out to the other models later in the year.
You're a young guy for sure. I've spent 25 years with old mpcs and 4 years with new one.. mixing using both plugins and hardware. You absolutely cannot use plugins to make a new mpc sound like an old one.
@@MadACeTeeMackude the old one is just louder there's not really a eq difference. Just turn the gain up on the new one. Louder doesn't mean the tone is different. Yall are litterally arguing which plastic drum sample box sounds better, when they are all digital drum samples at the end of the day. Not even a real drum kit.
I read this book about Roger Linn…more so-sp-1200…it explained that each model had its own sound-the mpc 2000 vs mpc 3000 etc. This was due to the algorithm that was used within each machine. It altered the sound and quality of the sample. I’m sure the converters def make an impact also. Converters plus each systems algorithm-give each model a “unique” sound. That’s why mpc 3000(I think that’s the one) go for waaayyyy more money then other models. It has a sound many feel only that machine can produce
There is a difference! The vintage has more compressed sound that has more presence on hi-hats and snare. I think the lows are better on the new MPCs however. Thanks for the audio evidence.
Samples sound better period on those old machines. Somewhere along the line “cleaner” although thinner sounding samples became the rage because everyone was looking for that digital shit. 🤷🏿♂️
It's harder to glue the sounds together. The lows overpower the highs sometimes so the high frequencies chip out. On the older machines the lows might not be as overwhelming but you hear everything clearly. I get it though. Nowadays music doesn't depend on everything sounding clear, it's about the boom. The current audience likes that so the new MPC caters to that. It's mainly people who like the older style productions who are critical.
If all my Live did was sequence and sample then I’d still love it. It’s a hi-fi ADC, it’s not gonna have any innate grit. It does have “vintage modes,” but I still keep an Emax SE in my studio for a reason. If we’re being real, I could get by with just running samples through my Casio SK-5 and get something similar. You don’t need to spend $$$$.
I think Ave wants to be the nice safe goofy black guy content creator that companies trust, and being checked by EA Ski was his reality check. He also only apologized cause Ski gave him 24hrs and he got SHOOK lol. That’s all I have to say about it.
@@palimo3653 yeah it’s like he slapped Ave back into reality like when the big kids pop up on the little kids on the block….Ima steal your bike if you don’t apologize type of vibes 😂. Anyway.. I’m glad this happened cause I use an MPC One and this whole thing just made me realize it’s not that serious for me personally.. like whyyyy am I watching all these influencers and making shopping carts with thousands of dollars worth of gear, like I’m Pharrell in the 2000s 😂 The message I got was everyone stay in your lane. If you’re a producer producer, get the QUALITY gear. If you’re a hobbyist, don’t be rushing out and getting stuff just because. Cause most of it isn’t even worth it anyway. Saved me thousands lol
@@user-mb8rf7qk5q Great point. How many people went out and got the MPC Keys 61 and don’t even know how to play keys lol. All because “influencers” said how great it was. There is even a small MPC RUclips content creator that purchased it from day one without knowing how to play keys and only uses it in controller mode. Smfh.
@@palimo3653 seriously that was exaaaactly me. Thinking I needed a key 61 not even knowing how to play with both hands 😂 My MPC One is gonna be good for a lonnnnng ass time so EA ski if you see this, THANK YOU for real. 😆
@@palimo3653 Just because an influencer says something is good doesn't mean you have to immediately go out and buy it. Right now everybody is going crazy for the Push 3 calling it an MPC/Maschine/Force killer. That doesn't mean I'm going to go out and buy a $2K+ machine on some internet personalities word. You have to remember these people get gear for free, no amount of "they don't influence my review" negates the fact that if you channel services on music gear reviews and you stopped getting free gear early to review, you are most definitely being influenced. We saw this controversy not long ago on the tech tuber side with Nvidia pulling their support from a channel for being honest about their business practices. You are not going to get a free Push 3 before anyone else and not think positively about the company no matter what you say.
I also almost feel like Ave was trying to step more into the house/electronic music niche of RUclips, but when he got negative reactions to his Elektron Syntakt review, he made it partially about race and jumped ship and put all his eggs in the Akai basket. That's when he became ride or die for Akai and took all criticism towards Akai personally. He's been taken L's ever since that since I think he is acting more off emotions instead of logic/critical thinking.
Where did he get negative reaction for his Elektron Syntakt review??? You can do many genres on an Akai MPC, including house and electronic music... are you saying only certain genres of music can be utilized on an Elektron product?
Who is Roger Linn? I guess the fact that he was the pioneer of the sample based drum machines - see Linn Drum, - kinda trumps the fact he "worked with Akai". Yes, he is engineer who understood sound better than many, so decline in MPC sound quality surely correlates to his departure. Since he left, he did a few interesting instruments, mainly, Linnstrument and Tempest, in collaboration with Dave Smith - I am happy to have it in my collection. BTW I love vintage Akai samplers, as these were seminal gear for the tons of great music from the 90s. I have Akai S3200 with storage converted to usb, and none of my contemporary samplers, hardware or software, can come close to the sound of the S line. Also, I am not big follower of the hip hop genre, I don't know who this dude is, but he is right about MPC, and I am sure he doesn't care about a 2 grand box - he has some gear worth way more than that and I don't worry about his financial wellbeing.
Man, you summed everything up perfectly and put a bow on it. I hope this video puts an end to this whole subject and everyone can move on and uplift each other. Thank you.
It's amazing to me that people are still saying there's "no linear sequencing" on the MPC..... when all you have to do is literally just increase the sequence length to its maximum amount. Then you can punch in and out....and edit the SAME way you would in a linear set up.
@@bolttracks moving parts around has ALWAYS been a chore in linear sequencing. That's why people gravitate to pattern sequencing. But you can still cut, copy and paste just like you would on any other device. In fact... It's probably easier in controller mode.
The only real complaint I have is that this is a massive missed opportunity. They already have the beginner through mid-tier sampler devices on lock. They are basically the only option for what the MPC does. But there really is no flagship. There is no real difference between the Keys and the X. The Live II, Keys, and the X are all incredibly similar. The ven diagrams aren’t perfectly overlapped but they are damn close. And they have the intro box with the One. They should have gone up market and made a premium product, not an incremental upgrade. There are now four boxes that only have marginal differences
I just don't think inMusic has the infrastructure to do that right now. They have committed to the SoC they've been using for years for pretty much all their products (HeadRush, MPC, Denon etc all use he same hardware). The only differentiator that makes sense is software and that would piss current user off if the MPC X SE got features not in the current MPCs. The MPC X Se seems like a stopgap product right now until they get their house in order.
I legit cant understand how Ave's following is OK with his shenanigans, with he issue with Jordan he basically accused the user of the bugs + said he basically was a dumbo who didn't know how to use the device followed by "Buy my course" and now this... - Lets not be critical or else we don't get free shit, amazing, totally for the community han?? geez Also, why the fck does it matter if Ave didn't know who Ski was? What difference does that make? If he is famous\accomplished then he apologizes and take his views into account if not then no? lol...
Had to subscribe to you for just explaining all this shit. Sight dropped his fb group behind this, opened up and closed again. Didn’t get invited the 2nd time, but they knew I was in the Ski group too smh, they was acting like little girls in Sight group then too. Putting ppl in fb jail lol.
E A Ski is an accomplished producer who PRODUCES REAL MUSIC... Ave on the other hand is a "GEAR REVIEWER" looking for his next gift.. Hmmm I wounder who could be more honest?
I noticed that E A SKI doesnt seem to like the fact that basically anybody can make music these days... reason why he brought up the professional part and like he actually wants the price to go up so only professionals can buy the gear or some sh*t... Ave on the other hand is pretty fcckn corny tho 😂
@@hostilesavage4299 i agree 100% well guess what its a free world you can do whatever you want with money. I have nothing against ski but respect. But akai will not shift its line and lose money for you. These long hours discussions about sound sound sound man screw this just put a pedal or whatever vintage messed piece sound you want. So having gritty sound is professional in his term. Having a clean signal is what professional mean and that exactly what new MPC does.
@@MS7.7 no, no, no. you are absolutely wrong. you think the old mpc's\samplers were just more lo-fi than the new ones? you wrong. it's dynamics, it's how they transpose sounds, it's how transients are shaped when you sample into them, from vinyl or from other sources, it's how they react when you reach that red line on the meters, both in and out. but if you only use already overproduced library samples, or sample from youtube, and listen to your stuff on half decent studio monitors, if you never plugged your sound machine into a full blown p.a., how should you know, right? man, everybody seems to know everything nowadays. you do yourself a better service if you try to LISTEN for a moment, put aside what you THINK you know and listen to people who's more experienced than yourself. Ski already said that if you process the analog separate outs of a new mpc on a GOOD analog desk, with proper eq's, proper compressors and preamps, of course you can have a good sound. but how many of you do that? be sincere, brother. almost 0%. i have the 6 outs of my mpc live mk1 hooked to my 24 channels old A&H gs3 desk (goes very cheap nowadays, not a trident, or scorpion, or neve or ssl, but surely better than going straight into your cheap focusrite or m-audio or whatever soundcard and call it a day, or even worse, just "export" your mixed sound to wav and you're done). but you have to put way too much effort into it. the same as when you produce in the box in your daw. too much effort to make it sound full. that's where older gear shows its superiority. but if you don't want to LISTEN, then don't.
WeaverDocs! The wardrobe change especially adds a level of professionalism. I must correct you though, you are an international treasure sir! Thanks BeatsWeaver!
LOL @ Ave puttin' on spiritual beads for the apology. Used to enjoy Ave but he's too one dimensional - that dimension being $$$. The apology and admitting he was "wrong" was solely because he cares too much about what people think, and his potential to make money. If his bottom line is threatened I feel like he'd do or say anything to appease the masses and the companies that are throwing him bones. I've seen him get carried away with his emotions too many times, he needs to do some introspection rather than tryin' to grow his wallet.
At this point if you want the old mpc sound then just use an old mpc. Or..sample in the mpc of your choice and dump everything into the mpc -x... All of the old mpcs can be upgraded to use smart media or flash cards so it's not you have to use a floppy or zip drive anymore.
Thank you for remaining objective and neutral...and leaving me out of it the best you could. As bad as this whole situation was, you did a great job of not making it look worse. That, my friend, was a delicate dance. Massive vacation time!
@@krazywabbit I was witnessing what Ave said on E-A Ski's live for the first time. It was at the point that I was done. Had I known he tripled down on the disrespect, I would have never entered into Ave's chat, in the first place. Context is everything
@@osrthejourney That is your narrative, but the truth of the matter is that I made a choice at that moment not to support dude. Pulling my support doesn't make me a snake, it means I am moving on. If you don't like it, fair enough, that is on you
Companies getting drug for not handling warranty issues or charging too much for their products and then changing things is extremely common within the computer gaming RUclips space
Ski is 100% correct! We as producers invest into certain gear for their known sounds and characteristics. We want good sound! Starting out with owning a MPC 2000XL and being fortunate enough to work with on the 3000, 4000 & 5000…. I’m disappointed in Akai with the newer line. I now own a Live 2 and sound wise, doesn’t feel like I’m using a MPC! Converters are everything! Bring Roger Linn back! 😩
Newly subbed, just doing my catch ups. Appreciate you breaking everything down to the science. I own the MPC One plus and the X SE. The point alot of folks are missing in all of this is that the One, The LIVE, the X and the X SE all sound exactly the same. So why would most people buy a $2,600 flagship machine when you can get the exact same sound from a $700 machine?
Also the comparison at the beginning is unfair. The new MPC's have an MPC 3000 mode that adds back the vintage sound so a real comparison would demo that mode alongside the OG 3000.
@@middaymeds I get ya. Just been seeing a lot of posts bringing up the fact that the new MPC’s have a vintage mode. Just want folks to know that those models sound nothing like the real thing. They’re not even close.👍🏿
@@souloshinobi7307 There have been comparisons done before with that mode and in blind tests people preferred the "vintage mode" or didn't really care either way.
Man this is a great video I usually don't watch a lot of your stuff, but this is great I'm glad that you shed a neutral light on the situation I believe Ave was completely wrong and EA-SKI was totally warranted in his actions and everything he said honestly. He really knows his stuff and he's a Jedi when it comes to this music Why would we not listen to him. If DJ premier said the same thing no one would question him and to me he's got just as much credibility. So we will see where it goes from here but at least there's some conversation about this now
The problem with Ave he’s Akai house boy that’s why I don’t watch him anymore. He trashes FL Studio when that fool made years of content using FL studio 😂😂😂. Ave always in his feelings 😂😂😂.
The main reason for MPC X is 10" screen, 16 knobs (with displays) and 16 pads. There is no device on the market with comparable control features. The only reason for MPC X SE is the fact, that MPC X (no SE) is no more on the market.
9:00 the new unit resolves more of the low end. More precisely, theirs a roll off at ~50 hz on the input stage of the classic units, hence the more data visualized on the MPC X in Bolo's comparison.
Thank you for your analysis! It is sad when a free platform becomes subjective to narrow perspectives. I've become disillusion with a few content creators who in time lean too much on their "personal" perspectives. Opinions are welcome, perspectives very much appreciated; "Campaigns" I don't know... Ego, insecurity issues... that calls for a different channel. I thought I was tunning in for tech info...
The 2000xl I used for a short time brought all the instruments into the same room, while other workstations feel like I'm recording every instrument in another country then using bus and fx to try to get direction to the room..the swing ...........
While I grew up using Akai products their problem has always been sound quality. I feel like Akai MPC was first created to compete against EMU SP-12 which had terrible sound, so just tweaking the digital output was enough. But, over the years I noticed the sound has never gotten better. Seems like once the MPC's took off they stopped concentrating on sound quality. Now, there is so much on the market that my MPCs stay in the closet (s**t, I have a Force that is still in the box). Akai's customer service has been terrible since InMusic merger and their market share will continue to struggle, rightfully so.
Ave went from talking about how someone was lowering the ability for all similar content creators to get free gear for reviewing it and changed his tune to showing respect for someone that can lower his ability to get views on his own content. Ave played himself.
Ave is very weird about akia, When Ben Jorden got an mpc keys and didn't like and it wasn't working great for him Ave was all "Ben doesn't know what an MPC is"
I’ve been on the original Mpc 60. Am long with the Mpc 60 mk2 and current own the Mpc 3000 and Mpc 4000. The new MPCs are feature rich but still inferior to most DAWs. I had the X for a while but sold it as the sound just wasn’t there. I think people aren’t looking to have Mpc 3000 act like a Daw they just want the sonics and straight forward bear making. If I want feature and plugins I turn my Daw Logic
Really don't understand what the complaining is about. If I recall, I think my dad paid $5,000 for his MPC 60 when it first launched. That's equivalent to almost 13,000 in today's purchasing power. While the build quality and aesthetically it was superior to what we have today, there's just no comparison with modern MPC's when it comes to features. I also don't understand why modern Akai is focused so heavily on catering to the hip hop crowd. MPCs were used heavily in R&B music, Pop music, and plenty of other genres. My father traded in his s950 Akai sampler, which had a lower bit rate, for an s5000 Akai sampler as soon as they became available. In fact, he stopped sampling with the MPC60 and exclusively triggered the s5000s cleaner samples. Point being not everybody craved the lower bit rate MPC 60 / 3000 sound. If you want your drums to "hit harder" sample them louder and turn them up to 6. If that's still not loud enough for you, use the plethora of emulations and plugins that come with modern day MPCs. There is no excuse. You can make your drums "hit" as hard as you need them to. I started with an MPC 2000 in 98, and upgraded to a 2500. And then took an unfortunate detour into DAW production because I got tired of tracking outboard synthesizers, and fiddling with midi time code / SMPTE etc. With the most modern MPCs, new Akai has perfectly blended the MPC workflow (Sequences, pad drumming etc) with the best DAW features, (exporting stems, plug-ins, softsynths, instant recall etc) there's no going back.
As an owner of a MPC X and other Akai gear/software, I'd like to thank you, Weaver, for showing me that I don't give a single fucking fuck about any of this bullshit.
Converters aside the MPC has multiple ways of making any noise sound vintage. Air plug ins, there's even a vintage mode in the options. A sp1200 ring mode and mpc 3000
That's a big difference in the snare. These differences add up. Especially when you use a lot of tracks, I can understand the users :D It's funny that modern hardware often sounds thinner. Akai should listen to the users and do a poll. Companies should do that in general, listen to the users and then count how many people actually want that. Simply developing something and hoping that it's great can't work out in the long run. Almost everything modern Gear sounds nearly the same at the end of the day, so people probably want old hardware.
It was a big difference, but nothing you couldn't add with all the tools that's in the new MPC's & Force. So find that sound & resample everything thru that & get rocking. The cool thing about it being clean is that you're not stuck with that 1 sound & for many people, that's why it's better than the older MPC's.
Nobody really cares about them old ass converters. I can make a dope track with a tin can and a ball of yarn. It really doesn’t matter. And son was probably butt hurt bout not being in the free mpc click
The problem with doing a poll for something like this is that most people don't really know what they want, buy think they do until they get it & all hell breaks loose!
I don't think the controversy is only about the converters. The way it looks, it's more about the entire sound of an instrument. Sure the converters are part of the story but also the filter and audio engine. To sum it up, it's the argument that legacy MPC instruments provided sound that could be published right out of the machine. The sound was ready and you could hear it immediately. Something that the new MPC has allegedly lost. Sure you can add outboard gear to finish the track but it requires extra time, effort and money. So the community is divided between these who feel that something valuable has been lost and the ones who don't feel that way or feel that the improvements in workflow are compensating the degrading production quality. Add the element of "you ruining it for everybody" and you get the drama.
Old-school producers didn't just record their MPCs and push the tracks out the door without any post-processing. There will always be compressing, EQ'ing, mixing and mastering involved. Heck, the fact that most of the old stuff was recorded on analog tape will influence the sound, not to mention stuff like running the signal slightly hot through a mixing console, which might even have a valve circuit somewhere in its path. The new MPCs sound fine. Great, even. They're a lot less noisy, and if you're concerned about analog grit you could get yourself a second-hand Analog Heat I and record everything through it on its mildest setting. Works fine and doesn't break the bank.
The Force is probably the single best piece of new gear, as far as what it's supposed to do and what it actually does, that i've ever bought. MPC/Force is a platform that continues to be developed, not abandoned like Korg did with Kronos. I don't think this sounds bad at all. If your music out of this thing sounds bad, you're incompetent. HOWEVER I wish they would pay Roger his royalties. He's such a sweet guy. Also i think InMusic's marketing SUCKS.
Yes the Force has been a big hit since they kept updating it and people love the arrangement. Only thing that sucks and I hope the next version has a big improvement on is the screen layout and odd dimensions of the unit.
Kronos been out since 2011. Nautilus replaced it 3 years ago. Move tf on!!!!!!!!!!!! Force been out for how long???? Im pretty sure that bs will be abandon by Akai when they replace it.
I played an MPC3000 (the first MPC I learned on), it did have a phat sound. It was my first sampler I had experience with and I was told you could get the sound of "anything", 16 bit CD quality which was basically considered perfect pristine sound quality. I didn't have the money for a 3000 and in 1997 the 2000 came out, which I could afford. 16 bit CD sound quality. I bought it. I quickly proceeded to sample my Boss DR 660, but I sort of noticed that the drums in the 2000 didn't seem to hit as hard as I remember to the 3000. I thought I was imagining things but one day a producer I worked with brought over his 3000 and gave me some of his drum disks, I remember playing my 2000 next to his 3000 and I noticed that his 3000 sounded waay more powerful than mine. It had a punchier, fatter bass, the high end was present but also clean. I felt almost cheated as I thought 16 bit CD quality meant everything would sound the same. That said I think the biggest differences (and an old magazine hinted at it was that the machines used different filters). As in the early-mid nineties, oversampling wasn't used and very expensive analog filters needed to be used (which inevitability added color to the sound). The MPC3000 went all out to make a high end filter. The 2000 was a stripped down version cost wise so one of the first places they cut costs were the filters which gave the 2000 a harsher/cryspier sound with a thinner low end. But at some point though oversampled converters started being used which negates the need for an expensive analog filter. This makes much more cleaner stuff nowadays, so I think that is a big Reason Akai (or anyone is failing to do this). Maschine attempted the 60 and the 1200 and even mentioned that they thought emulating other 16 bit drum machines wasn't worth it. That said I'm thinking alot of this stuff can be done with proper use of VST saturation, eq, and filters but most people dont want to take the time to do that. And really I'm at the point where I know that software might not sound as phat as some old school digital gear but I know the workflow is often many times better, with a ton more flexibility. But I think if Akai just took a bit of time to create a MPC3000 "mode" and made a good attempt, there would be happy users. I'm thinking we are probably at that point now as people are doing pretty faithful Moog, LA2A, Analog Tape, DX7 emulations, and older samplers such as the Fairlight, SP1200, MPC60, the 3000 would be next at some point. I think though the MPC3000 is somewhat of a niche market where most people just thought of it as a crude sampler and probably went for stuff like the ASR10 or a Rackmounted Sampler like the EMUs.
Needs granular mode and lots more potential FX for sound mangling. Similar to octatrack the. I’d buy one in a heartbeat.. akai combined with electron would be a perfect machine.
I know I’m going to come off as an akai Stan but the price is a lil high but it’s got all the plug-ins packaged in twice the ram and 3x the storage natively
Still $800 is a lot considering that plug-in package has a lot of overlap. You got a buy a whole bunch of expensive keyboard libraries to get that extra RAM.
Im blacker than outer space, playing the race card game is CRAZY. This is the last space I wanna hear that sh!t. We have to deal with that in almost every other facet of life. Please no more of that crap here (the creative space). Let’s just make good music. Tf! 🤦🏾♂️ FYI great video! Sub’d!
The vintage sound is so easy to accomplish, electronically speaking, a single transformer could accomplish this for no more than $80, jist gotta look at old boutiqe gear schematics
One thing I dislike about music production RUclipsrs is they sell a product and say its amazing and use a completely different product in there studio. 2 thing is the how to get placement videos and they have no placements.
EDIT - I FORGOT TO MENTION THE MPC X SE ALSO COMES WITH PLUGINS TOO
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CHAPTERS
00:00 INTRO / WHAT IS THE MPC X SE
01:40 WHAT STARTED THE CONTROVERSY
06:18 WHATS WRONG WITH THE SOUND? (COMPARISONS)
11:09 ROGER LINN
12:16 EA SKI BLOCKED
12:36 IAMSIGHT PODCAST / LIVESTREAM
14:33 EA SKI vs AVE MCREE
19:05 AVE MCREE vs VIRAL BEATS
21:01 EA SKI RESPONSE
22:36 AVE MCREE FIRST APOLOGY
23:16 AVE MCREE SECOND APOLOGY
25:25 OUTRO
The legal definition (original definition) of harassment is when someone does or says something to or about you that you deem offensive and you ask or tell them to stop/cease and they don't. There is harassment and then there is criminal harassment. If EA-Ski was saying or doing something that was made clear by other parties to be offensive and they asked him explicitly to stop/cease and he doesn't, it does constitute harassment. However it's not criminal harassment as there is no economic or physical threats involved. It's all kinda childish and stupid. Grown ass men arguing over the sound of a piece of overpriced gear. it was overpriced back then and it's still overpriced. EA just seems to want to justify the older version because its what he likes.
No maximizer…ran directly through model 12 to UAD X4, level matched directly. Great video as usual 💪🏾
Thank you bolo. I'm not sure what happened because the produce markets comparison preserved the transients. I guess it'll stay a mystery 🤔
I think it boils down to this,
90% of people are sick of all the corporate bullshit. We’ve been dealing with it for 30+ years. Yes, every company needs to make a profit but if thats your sole purpose than you cant be trusted. This leads to misleading advertising and putting out products that in end, artists dont need.
We also find ourselves in a strange time. A company doesn’t need to be a huge system with thousands of employees to be corporate anymore. An individual (content creator) can be corporate simply by not being honest with their followers and focusing only on profits. There’s also the problem of “content creators” being paid by bigger companies while pretending to be independent artists.
Theres nothing wrong with making $$, but if thats the sole goal, your no longer an artist. You’re a corporation and people should know that.
Ski callin' Ave Corny was the realest thing I've heard in the MPC community yet
You're corny yourself 🤣
@@JEFFMAN90 ok Ave
He is corny and yes man
What shocked me the most is his apology. He was like oh this guy was big someday I can’t compete lets make a fake apology. Is this what you principles stands for? If he wasn’t known and had experience you wouldn’t even apologize what a great POS. Anyway nobody cares about this nonsense paid actor. Internet is already full with these guys.
All drama lol... mpc needs to step up their game. Akai that is 🤘
The HUGE problem was that this time the one criticizing Akai was an OG, an actual Akai gear user and one of the best hip-hop producers of all time. So what happens? The Matrix crumbles. Even a few of Akai's minions came out against E-A-Ski just for being honest about a product and ended up looking stupid. 🤷♂
I'm used to delusional fanboys, and I get wanting to defend a good product from non-relevant gripes. But I was shocked at the random nonsense Ave was grasping at.
I don't care about MPC X/Live/One at all, so it's funny whenever I'm forced to hear about it. A couple years ago, Jade Wii posted a free-wheeling negative review of the latest MPC. I can't tell you which machine, because I can find no evidence of the review's existence. The Akai Army moved in swiftly to _re-educate_ Jade. 😒
@@defcreator187 bro don’t be a moron. Ski is a legend who’s worked with reputable, respected and acknowledged greats of the golden era. Just because you know about some hip-hop you like doesn’t mean you know dick about hip hop or the real vets who’ve acknowledged his worth and his craft. I’m a hip hop fan. That means all that stuff from the early 80’s , to mainstream 90’s stuff, to the backpack stuff like Rawkus and Company Flow, the nerdy kids from Ohio stuff, Def Jux, etc.. just say you don’t know shit instead of acting like your the bookkeeper of this shit. Nerd.
Its like if jesus christ himself was to come back and preach again i bet there would still be a bunch of "christian" people bitching about it
@@crnkmnky akai users are still in shock and denial about the take-over by Maschine.
cognitive dissonance, because MPC was supposed to be the King.
It's been a long come back.
first they convinced themselves that akai was catching up in the mobile game, then in the features game, and now in the stand alone game. hence the drama about convertors.
@@crnkmnky It was the original Live. She bought one with a lot of bugs in it and the replacement had bugs too so she got rid.
this whole youtube mpc drama brings my "my not the best one" comparisons and that's drama
Ave Mcree was being childish, EA Ski was being real he doesn't owe Akai positive feedback. Thanks for the video!
There's a difference between the quality not being the same as the older products in the same line vs. The quality being bad. The newer MPCs sound quality is NOT bad quality- it's a cleaner sound. Those old converters weren't made with extremely high priced capacitors and parts- they were the cheapest they could find at the time for mass production. People happen( particularly hip hop producers) to like the crunch in the sound. But to say that sound was better is subjective. 95% of the newer producers had no problems with the sound until someone told them they should. To me, that "sound" is 100% associated with 80s,90s boom bap. When you hear it its immediately recognizable. But in today's music- "sound" has moved forward...as it should. When was the last time your mix engineer, collab partner, or mastering engineer told you that they couldn't do their job because your "sound" was produced on a new MPC? Never happened. The whole argument is both valid and it's cap at the same time. Akai isn't ripping anybody off just because they aren't willing to go backwards in time to appease a handful of seasoned producers- when their demographic is the younger crowd. To be clear, I know exactly was SKI is talking about, there is a sound difference, but that difference is not a big deal..to most. Let me add, just because someone has a "resume" doesn't make them correct at whatever they say. Do your own research and ask yourself would that "sound difference" stop you from making money/feeding your family? No...so what's that arguing for.
LoL?? 😂😂 Fact is that it sounds cheap… but you must be ok with that 😂
Measure the phase as you adjust the pots on the new mpcs, you'll realise how cheap and shit they are.
All true.
Sweet summarizing! Owned every MPC but I stay with the live since I don’t have a studio anymore and tracking my 3k got just different. Still this sound talk gets under my eardrum.
I feel like there are so many cheap/free resources to effectively add a vintage quality to your sound. Maybe this is ignorant to say, but I feel like you could just run your MPC X through a Boss SD-1 with the levels way down and achieve this
I think the heart of the matter is "SOUND". I'm 52 years old. I've seen this technology go through a lot of changes. For me personally, I like the sound of the older machines. That's what I grew up on. I always associated the difference in sound with the bit depth of the samplers. To me, 12 bit and 16 bit [and some 8 bit] samplers sound better. The Rossum SP1200 goes for $4k in 2023 because of it's 12 bit sound. Most of the songs that I consider to be "classics" were made on 12 bit and 16 bit samplers. The minute that 24 bit samplers became the norm is when the "magic" in the sound died. On paper 24 bit/96 khz or higher looks impressive. To a sample based hip hop/house producer, those higher spec samplers sound flat, lifeless, and dull. Again, this is just my perspective.
In a perfect world, I would love to see an MPC with all of the workflow of a MPC X, but with a true 12 or 16 bit signal path end to end. No need for any sample rates above 44.1khz. An adjustable sample rate would be the best situation. I really feel as if there's something magical about the sound of lower spec samplers.
Just my $.02.
I grew up on MPC60,s 3000, 2000xl, SP1200's, Roland W30's and sequencers like the MC500 and Atari Notator/Creator too, it's not just about sound for me, it's also timing. Some of the early machines have very distinct timing.
Ave will never learn...
E-A Ski is a hip hop producer legend. He isnt one of these RUclips fake producers with no major placements.
Do you know how hard it is to get a major placement much less a major placement that's a hit? Take it from someone who's done BOTH on ONE song. Just cause someone doesn't have a "major placement" doesn't make them a "fake producer".🤦
@ApexNYC Stop it dude. Who you rather be tutored by: someone physically in the game or from someone who isn't? The choice is yours....
@@MadACeTeeMack So one of these "fake producers" gets a major placement all of a sudden you take them serious NOW?👀 You can be "in the game" for years from studio to studio and NEVER get a MAJOR placement. That doesn't invalidate your knowledge of production. If you don't understand that i can't help you🤷
@@ApexNYC I never asked for your help
@@MadACeTeeMack Yes you need help understanding how hard it is to get a "major placement". You made an ignorant statement on a public forum which left your original post open for criticism.🤦This is why there is a reply tab.🤷
one thing you can expect with Ave Mcree are wack takes
Used to be a big fan of Ave (still am a fan), but man he loves starting petty unessecary drama trying to defend Akai when everyone knows he's in the wrong. Started with the benn jordan thing (where Ave was wrong just like he is once again now).
1 of 1.
Plenty of established HipHop producers new and old have been backing EA SKI publicly over social media. I hope in the end Akai sees it, listens to the feedback and comes through with better products for the MPC community. But what do I know? Akai may just block them all, like Andy Mac blocked EA Ski and just give us a MPC Live 3-SE with a couple more gigs of ram as a cash grab.
and some bogus vst shit
@@bbqfetus-the_don_grilluminati
There are plenty of people making good music with bogus VST shit.
@@unduloid and i hope they continue to do so
You just need old ears that cut out before 10k then the snares sound the same.
It’s ridiculous to compare these new digital tools to old school saturation. Like in the early days of pro tools, the saturation isn’t part of the process and it’s up to you to engineer that.
I finally got a chance to watch a Weaver Beats video. Watched the whole thing. Good video. Great preparation & presentation. Respect.
Great video. Enjoyed every minute of it. EA-Ski is absolutely right, the sound does matter.
Much appreciated run down! Agreed that MPC people are a little nutty about their gear and go ape whenever people complain about them I know this dynamic well as an Elektron fan.boy. Same dynamic there...
You Had Me Rollin, Especially When You Talked About Calling People Corny...Lol, When You Filled In For SummSummSumm At The NAM Show, I Explained That Making Beatz Is Like Ah High Because It Takes Me Into A Zone... You Said That My Statement Sounded Corny and I Almost Got Mad At You For Not Understanding That's MY TRUTH, That Being Said, I Actually Began To RESPECT You More Because You Were Stating Your TRUTH... However Once I Saw At The Conference Where They Had Some Sound Engineers Speaking At The NAM Show, One Speaker Explained His Motivation And He Basically Said What I Said But It A More Artful Way, So I Felt Vindicated.😁 Sometimes We Nerds Are Pure As GOLD and Our TRUTHS Carry The Most VALUE. So Again I Thank You. MAKING MUSIC IS KING! 👍🏽👍🏽🎶🎶❗
You can add the MPC 60, 3000, SP 1200 emulation on the New MPC. Add in the Transient Shaper plug-in and mix to taste. There is also a stock resampler. You can add all kinds of filters to each individual pad. It’s in the second screen pad effects. Are the producers using the tools available? We don’t know what others don’t know.
I think it's pretty embarrassing that people think-to/do sell-out for something that's like $3000... Have more self worth.
It’s literally a glorified midi🤣
😂
@@don2nd650 agree. iOS apps can do just as much for 1% of the cost and it’s easier to shift over to DAW imo.
Ave lives in a 200 sq ft studio apartment, so every cent counts for him.
Koala sampler is 7 bucks with the expansion and does everything sampling wise in a much more logical manner. Run it in logic on a 256 gb iPad Air m1 with an mpk and a soundcard of your choice,32 tracks in benchmark with a ton of fx on each track. Nah tablet+ controller is the future for me.
Good video. I like how you are not bias on the situation, got a new subcriber.
The problem with the MPC is it’s a great sampling DAW inside of a midi controller duct taped to a 2015 iPad
Also, a pattern in the new MPCs can be up to 999 measures so I don’t see how that isn’t linear arrangement……
@@koalemos1679 they don’t understand what linear even mean.
@@koalemos1679 I think the big thing is you can’t see the whole track in one view. Everything is very compartmentalized in a way where you cant see the full picture. But also the Force has an arranger view and people want that on the MPC already.
But I agree, Maschine was the same way and I never understood why people wanted an arranger view that badly and there were a lot of things in my opinion that should have been a priority with that product… but NI has made it a sinking ship so I abandoned it.
@@ChumpyDumps That’s fair, even in the piano roll you’re stuck with whatever track you have currently selected. That also gives more context to why people want clip mode from the Force. They need a more robust system for recalling presets. It doesn’t save per pattern. You can change favorites manually but I could never get my custom presets to save as a favorite. My MPC Live was a damn mess.
That !!!!
blaze also had beef with akai... didi it help yes,.. the mpc x se sounds thin for that price.. im with e aski on this
Which Blaze? the OG house group, or somebody newer?
@@crnkmnky JustBlaze the producer. He didn't have issues with the sound, he had issues the the MPC 5K was a buggy mess with missing features. So he put Akai on blast and they addressed most of them by the end. So Weaver is right that putting this out can make a difference. That being said the MPC X sounds fine. If it sounds thin, you are using it wrong imo. There are so many tools inside that box that thin is the last thing you should be hearing.
Sanjay Weaver what took you so damn long to ride this pony? Good video. I knew you would stay on the fence.
Why do you call him Sanjay haha, Sanjay is all the contrary, every tools he shows are great lol even krk bottom line speakers are fantastic
@@LaidbackSounds Weaver is the Sanjay C of music industry drama. All of the BS that he reports on is fantastic. The transformation would be complete if Weaver’s lady would go around to people and get free absurdities to feature on the channel.
@@beatjuggernauts3828 haha ya a fool lol im laughin haha, big up
1. MPC Live/One/X etc. Have vintage emulation you can turn on in the settings. It's global, yes, but it's there.
2. I once compared 2000XL, 2500 and 4000. Recording control samples at same volume gave pretty much the same results. There was a clear difference with filters though. Aside converters there are also limiters built into the old MPCs and the fact that a 30 year old beatmachine has pretty worn out capacitors. If you recap it the "analog warmth" would be pretty much gone.
3. I forgot what I was planning to write here.
4. Oh, just remembered. It's interesting that now we want to have all analog dawless setups while not that long ago it was all about sound quality. Seems more like a fashion than preference. Just like everyone now is having a mustache and wearing old sweaters.
What a masterpiece of a documentary. Akai, all eyes on you now. This could either be a really good turn around for them if they take positive feedback from this but seeing their history how they did Roger Linn wrong, not to mention how they stole the limited edition color design of the MPC 4000 from Bruce Forat at Forat Electronics, I doubt it. They’ve had some very questionable business practices on how they go about things & it’s all starting to show. This needed to happen 💯
The Akai brandname has been owned by 3 different companies. Roger Linn hasn't been involved with the MPC line since the 2K (that was like 1995 with the OG Akai). The MPC 4K was another company entirely, then inMusic bought the brand and made the 2.5K, 1K and 5K and current MPCs. Imo inMusic has been a pretty good steward of the brand.
The old converters did a great job of making drums hit harder. It’s not that hard to do that in the new mpc with plugins if you know what plugins you need to make that sound. The bigger issue is the cost. It’s not enough to justify the price. I think it should have introduced linear production. Then roll it out to the other models later in the year.
I dont want plug-ins
You're a young guy for sure. I've spent 25 years with old mpcs and 4 years with new one.. mixing using both plugins and hardware. You absolutely cannot use plugins to make a new mpc sound like an old one.
@@1337murk I agree with this one 😎👍
Plugins won't cut it bruh, you need analog circuitry to make it sound right.
@@MadACeTeeMackude the old one is just louder there's not really a eq difference. Just turn the gain up on the new one. Louder doesn't mean the tone is different. Yall are litterally arguing which plastic drum sample box sounds better, when they are all digital drum samples at the end of the day. Not even a real drum kit.
I read this book about Roger Linn…more so-sp-1200…it explained that each model had its own sound-the mpc 2000 vs mpc 3000 etc. This was due to the algorithm that was used within each machine. It altered the sound and quality of the sample.
I’m sure the converters def make an impact also.
Converters plus each systems algorithm-give each model a “unique” sound.
That’s why mpc 3000(I think that’s the one) go for waaayyyy more money then other models. It has a sound many feel only that machine can produce
There is a difference! The vintage has more compressed sound that has more presence on hi-hats and snare. I think the lows are better on the new MPCs however. Thanks for the audio evidence.
Samples sound better period on those old machines. Somewhere along the line “cleaner” although thinner sounding samples became the rage because everyone was looking for that digital shit. 🤷🏿♂️
It's harder to glue the sounds together. The lows overpower the highs sometimes so the high frequencies chip out. On the older machines the lows might not be as overwhelming but you hear everything clearly. I get it though. Nowadays music doesn't depend on everything sounding clear, it's about the boom. The current audience likes that so the new MPC caters to that. It's mainly people who like the older style productions who are critical.
@@RoomAtTheTopStudio So perhaps the solution is to have an ol MPC and a nu MPC synced via MIDI. Best of both worlds for those with the dough?
If all my Live did was sequence and sample then I’d still love it. It’s a hi-fi ADC, it’s not gonna have any innate grit. It does have “vintage modes,” but I still keep an Emax SE in my studio for a reason. If we’re being real, I could get by with just running samples through my Casio SK-5 and get something similar. You don’t need to spend $$$$.
daddy weaver made the video
tf
Geez, and I was just about to buy an MPC Live!! - glad I stumbled on this video about the MPC Drama. Great video, clears up a lot of the controversy..
I don't think you shouldn't buy it. But it's good to be aware of the sonic differences!
I think Ave wants to be the nice safe goofy black guy content creator that companies trust, and being checked by EA Ski was his reality check. He also only apologized cause Ski gave him 24hrs and he got SHOOK lol. That’s all I have to say about it.
I hate so say it but that was the street element Ski gave to Ave and boy was my dude shook lol
@@palimo3653 yeah it’s like he slapped Ave back into reality like when the big kids pop up on the little kids on the block….Ima steal your bike if you don’t apologize type of vibes 😂. Anyway.. I’m glad this happened cause I use an MPC One and this whole thing just made me realize it’s not that serious for me personally.. like whyyyy am I watching all these influencers and making shopping carts with thousands of dollars worth of gear, like I’m Pharrell in the 2000s 😂 The message I got was everyone stay in your lane. If you’re a producer producer, get the QUALITY gear. If you’re a hobbyist, don’t be rushing out and getting stuff just because. Cause most of it isn’t even worth it anyway. Saved me thousands lol
@@user-mb8rf7qk5q Great point. How many people went out and got the MPC Keys 61 and don’t even know how to play keys lol. All because “influencers” said how great it was. There is even a small MPC RUclips content creator that purchased it from day one without knowing how to play keys and only uses it in controller mode. Smfh.
@@palimo3653 seriously that was exaaaactly me. Thinking I needed a key 61 not even knowing how to play with both hands 😂 My MPC One is gonna be good for a lonnnnng ass time so EA ski if you see this, THANK YOU for real. 😆
@@palimo3653 Just because an influencer says something is good doesn't mean you have to immediately go out and buy it. Right now everybody is going crazy for the Push 3 calling it an MPC/Maschine/Force killer. That doesn't mean I'm going to go out and buy a $2K+ machine on some internet personalities word. You have to remember these people get gear for free, no amount of "they don't influence my review" negates the fact that if you channel services on music gear reviews and you stopped getting free gear early to review, you are most definitely being influenced. We saw this controversy not long ago on the tech tuber side with Nvidia pulling their support from a channel for being honest about their business practices. You are not going to get a free Push 3 before anyone else and not think positively about the company no matter what you say.
I also almost feel like Ave was trying to step more into the house/electronic music niche of RUclips, but when he got negative reactions to his Elektron Syntakt review, he made it partially about race and jumped ship and put all his eggs in the Akai basket. That's when he became ride or die for Akai and took all criticism towards Akai personally. He's been taken L's ever since that since I think he is acting more off emotions instead of logic/critical thinking.
@@analogbanger I mean..... the death of disco did happen. I guess that brings people together too lmao
Where did he get negative reaction for his Elektron Syntakt review??? You can do many genres on an Akai MPC, including house and electronic music... are you saying only certain genres of music can be utilized on an Elektron product?
People literally called me a n****r in my comment section and in forums. Don’t believe me? Go to comments section and Elektron main forums.
@@TranceCore3 the death of disco’s moment in Chicago. Literally featured black artists album getting blown up.
@@AveMcree I was on the Elektron forums when the Syntakt came out… I saw the comments. Straight crazy…
Who is Roger Linn? I guess the fact that he was the pioneer of the sample based drum machines - see Linn Drum, - kinda trumps the fact he "worked with Akai". Yes, he is engineer who understood sound better than many, so decline in MPC sound quality surely correlates to his departure. Since he left, he did a few interesting instruments, mainly, Linnstrument and Tempest, in collaboration with Dave Smith - I am happy to have it in my collection. BTW I love vintage Akai samplers, as these were seminal gear for the tons of great music from the 90s. I have Akai S3200 with storage converted to usb, and none of my contemporary samplers, hardware or software, can come close to the sound of the S line. Also, I am not big follower of the hip hop genre, I don't know who this dude is, but he is right about MPC, and I am sure he doesn't care about a 2 grand box - he has some gear worth way more than that and I don't worry about his financial wellbeing.
Man, you summed everything up perfectly and put a bow on it. I hope this video puts an end to this whole subject and everyone can move on and uplift each other. Thank you.
Agreed 💯
The thing that made all the old school beats that made your career possible
It's amazing to me that people are still saying there's "no linear sequencing" on the MPC..... when all you have to do is literally just increase the sequence length to its maximum amount. Then you can punch in and out....and edit the SAME way you would in a linear set up.
BECAUSE……they don’t….RTFM!!!!😂😂😂🤣🤣
It's because people make music by sight and not sound.
There all well and good… until there’s audio involved or you wanna move parts around
@@bolttracks moving parts around has ALWAYS been a chore in linear sequencing. That's why people gravitate to pattern sequencing. But you can still cut, copy and paste just like you would on any other device. In fact... It's probably easier in controller mode.
@@bolttracks you do it merging smaller sequences into larger ones and then moving that audio around. like it or not, it's the mpc way, and we love it.
The only real complaint I have is that this is a massive missed opportunity. They already have the beginner through mid-tier sampler devices on lock. They are basically the only option for what the MPC does.
But there really is no flagship. There is no real difference between the Keys and the X. The Live II, Keys, and the X are all incredibly similar. The ven diagrams aren’t perfectly overlapped but they are damn close. And they have the intro box with the One.
They should have gone up market and made a premium product, not an incremental upgrade. There are now four boxes that only have marginal differences
I just don't think inMusic has the infrastructure to do that right now. They have committed to the SoC they've been using for years for pretty much all their products (HeadRush, MPC, Denon etc all use he same hardware). The only differentiator that makes sense is software and that would piss current user off if the MPC X SE got features not in the current MPCs. The MPC X Se seems like a stopgap product right now until they get their house in order.
I was wondering when you were going to cover this! Great vid brother! 🔥👊🧡👍🔥
I legit cant understand how Ave's following is OK with his shenanigans, with he issue with Jordan he basically accused the user of the bugs + said he basically was a dumbo who didn't know how to use the device followed by "Buy my course" and now this... - Lets not be critical or else we don't get free shit, amazing, totally for the community han?? geez
Also, why the fck does it matter if Ave didn't know who Ski was? What difference does that make? If he is famous\accomplished then he apologizes and take his views into account if not then no? lol...
A lot of ppl have given some harsh about your videos but bro you proved a point with this one. And thanks for taking your time for proving it
Had to subscribe to you for just explaining all this shit. Sight dropped his fb group behind this, opened up and closed again. Didn’t get invited the 2nd time, but they knew I was in the Ski group too smh, they was acting like little girls in Sight group then too. Putting ppl in fb jail lol.
Classic MPC users know it’s the feel in the swing quantizer that makes the difference.
Weaver you are on point!!! Just subscribed
E A Ski is an accomplished producer who PRODUCES REAL MUSIC... Ave on the other hand is a "GEAR REVIEWER" looking for his next gift.. Hmmm I wounder who could be more honest?
we all know ski is for the culture.
A lot of musicians I know believe a lot of stupid stuff about their trade. Yes, also the good ones.
I noticed that E A SKI doesnt seem to like the fact that basically anybody can make music these days... reason why he brought up the professional part and like he actually wants the price to go up so only professionals can buy the gear or some sh*t... Ave on the other hand is pretty fcckn corny tho 😂
@@hostilesavage4299 i agree 100% well guess what its a free world you can do whatever you want with money. I have nothing against ski but respect. But akai will not shift its line and lose money for you. These long hours discussions about sound sound sound man screw this just put a pedal or whatever vintage messed piece sound you want. So having gritty sound is professional in his term. Having a clean signal is what professional mean and that exactly what new MPC does.
@@MS7.7 no, no, no. you are absolutely wrong. you think the old mpc's\samplers were just more lo-fi than the new ones? you wrong. it's dynamics, it's how they transpose sounds, it's how transients are shaped when you sample into them, from vinyl or from other sources, it's how they react when you reach that red line on the meters, both in and out. but if you only use already overproduced library samples, or sample from youtube, and listen to your stuff on half decent studio monitors, if you never plugged your sound machine into a full blown p.a., how should you know, right? man, everybody seems to know everything nowadays. you do yourself a better service if you try to LISTEN for a moment, put aside what you THINK you know and listen to people who's more experienced than yourself. Ski already said that if you process the analog separate outs of a new mpc on a GOOD analog desk, with proper eq's, proper compressors and preamps, of course you can have a good sound. but how many of you do that? be sincere, brother. almost 0%. i have the 6 outs of my mpc live mk1 hooked to my 24 channels old A&H gs3 desk (goes very cheap nowadays, not a trident, or scorpion, or neve or ssl, but surely better than going straight into your cheap focusrite or m-audio or whatever soundcard and call it a day, or even worse, just "export" your mixed sound to wav and you're done). but you have to put way too much effort into it. the same as when you produce in the box in your daw. too much effort to make it sound full. that's where older gear shows its superiority. but if you don't want to LISTEN, then don't.
I just got my first MPC (the One) and I love it.
WeaverDocs! The wardrobe change especially adds a level of professionalism. I must correct you though, you are an international treasure sir! Thanks BeatsWeaver!
LOL @ Ave puttin' on spiritual beads for the apology. Used to enjoy Ave but he's too one dimensional - that dimension being $$$. The apology and admitting he was "wrong" was solely because he cares too much about what people think, and his potential to make money. If his bottom line is threatened I feel like he'd do or say anything to appease the masses and the companies that are throwing him bones. I've seen him get carried away with his emotions too many times, he needs to do some introspection rather than tryin' to grow his wallet.
At this point if you want the old mpc sound then just use an old mpc. Or..sample in the mpc of your choice and dump everything into the mpc -x...
All of the old mpcs can be upgraded to use smart media or flash cards so it's not you have to use a floppy or zip drive anymore.
This same is gripe we have with apple, Nvidia, madden , 2k , ps5. Profits over innovation & costumer service will always be a problem
Thank you for remaining objective and neutral...and leaving me out of it the best you could. As bad as this whole situation was, you did a great job of not making it look worse. That, my friend, was a delicate dance. Massive vacation time!
Saw it all go down. Shady move on your part.
somehow missed your vid, watching now, great insight, well done, thanks
Straight snake.
@@krazywabbit I was witnessing what Ave said on E-A Ski's live for the first time. It was at the point that I was done. Had I known he tripled down on the disrespect, I would have never entered into Ave's chat, in the first place. Context is everything
@@osrthejourney That is your narrative, but the truth of the matter is that I made a choice at that moment not to support dude. Pulling my support doesn't make me a snake, it means I am moving on. If you don't like it, fair enough, that is on you
Companies getting drug for not handling warranty issues or charging too much for their products and then changing things is extremely common within the computer gaming RUclips space
How Ave didn’t know who Ski was? Ski been posting the fly shit in mpc gang for a good while.
Ski is 100% correct! We as producers invest into certain gear for their known sounds and characteristics. We want good sound! Starting out with owning a MPC 2000XL and being fortunate enough to work with on the 3000, 4000 & 5000…. I’m disappointed in Akai with the newer line. I now own a Live 2 and sound wise, doesn’t feel like I’m using a MPC! Converters are everything! Bring Roger Linn back! 😩
Newly subbed, just doing my catch ups. Appreciate you breaking everything down to the science. I own the MPC One plus and the X SE. The point alot of folks are missing in all of this is that the One, The LIVE, the X and the X SE all sound exactly the same. So why would most people buy a $2,600 flagship machine when you can get the exact same sound from a $700 machine?
Also the comparison at the beginning is unfair. The new MPC's have an MPC 3000 mode that adds back the vintage sound so a real comparison would demo that mode alongside the OG 3000.
Having owned the 3000 and the new Live 2 and Key 61, that mode sounds nothing like the 3000
@@souloshinobi7307 sure I agree they're not identical but at least it would be comparing apples to apples
@@middaymeds I get ya. Just been seeing a lot of posts bringing up the fact that the new MPC’s have a vintage mode. Just want folks to know that those models sound nothing like the real thing. They’re not even close.👍🏿
emulation is not the same thing as the real thing
@@souloshinobi7307 There have been comparisons done before with that mode and in blind tests people preferred the "vintage mode" or didn't really care either way.
Man this is a great video I usually don't watch a lot of your stuff, but this is great I'm glad that you shed a neutral light on the situation I believe Ave was completely wrong and EA-SKI was totally warranted in his actions and everything he said honestly. He really knows his stuff and he's a Jedi when it comes to this music Why would we not listen to him. If DJ premier said the same thing no one would question him and to me he's got just as much credibility. So we will see where it goes from here but at least there's some conversation about this now
Let's goooooooooo Lord Weaver
The problem with Ave he’s Akai house boy that’s why I don’t watch him anymore. He trashes FL Studio when that fool made years of content using FL studio 😂😂😂. Ave always in his feelings 😂😂😂.
Say it to his face lol
@@JEFFMAN90 I would but he has me blocked because I told him he didn’t know how to mix 😂😂😂
I didn’t know the rabbit hole went that deep interesting.
The main reason for MPC X is 10" screen, 16 knobs (with displays) and 16 pads. There is no device on the market with comparable control features. The only reason for MPC X SE is the fact, that MPC X (no SE) is no more on the market.
9:00 the new unit resolves more of the low end. More precisely, theirs a roll off at ~50 hz on the input stage of the classic units, hence the more data visualized on the MPC X in Bolo's comparison.
Linn versions/converters sound considerably better.
There is a reason you see the 3000 in the big studios.
Thank you for your analysis! It is sad when a free platform becomes subjective to narrow perspectives. I've become disillusion with a few content creators who in time lean too much on their "personal" perspectives. Opinions are welcome, perspectives very much appreciated; "Campaigns" I don't know... Ego, insecurity issues... that calls for a different channel. I thought I was tunning in for tech info...
Ave backtracked so fast he probably changed time itself around him.
The 2000xl I used for a short time brought all the instruments into the same room, while other workstations feel like I'm recording every instrument in another country then using bus and fx to try to get direction to the room..the swing ...........
While I grew up using Akai products their problem has always been sound quality. I feel like Akai MPC was first created to compete against EMU SP-12 which had terrible sound, so just tweaking the digital output was enough. But, over the years I noticed the sound has never gotten better. Seems like once the MPC's took off they stopped concentrating on sound quality. Now, there is so much on the market that my MPCs stay in the closet (s**t, I have a Force that is still in the box). Akai's customer service has been terrible since InMusic merger and their market share will continue to struggle, rightfully so.
I can promise you this, I don’t like a lot of videos on RUclips, but this one 👌🏾
Ave went from talking about how someone was lowering the ability for all similar content creators to get free gear for reviewing it and changed his tune to showing respect for someone that can lower his ability to get views on his own content. Ave played himself.
It’s crazy that every almost space/genre for content I watch ends up looking like a Royal rumble😅
I was waiting for yuo to do a video on this lol
Ave is very weird about akia, When Ben Jorden got an mpc keys and didn't like and it wasn't working great for him Ave was all "Ben doesn't know what an MPC is"
4GB of RAM would've been passe 10 years ago... top spec 2013 PCs were already running 16GB (ultra high end systems even more).
the drums on the mpc 3000 gets into your bones you can feel it , it will make your soul dance
It's the timing.
I’ve been on the original Mpc 60. Am long with the Mpc 60 mk2 and current own the Mpc 3000 and Mpc 4000. The new MPCs are feature rich but still inferior to most DAWs. I had the X for a while but sold it as the sound just wasn’t there. I think people aren’t looking to have Mpc 3000 act like a Daw they just want the sonics and straight forward bear making. If I want feature and plugins I turn my Daw Logic
Really don't understand what the complaining is about. If I recall, I think my dad paid $5,000 for his MPC 60 when it first launched. That's equivalent to almost 13,000 in today's purchasing power. While the build quality and aesthetically it was superior to what we have today, there's just no comparison with modern MPC's when it comes to features.
I also don't understand why modern Akai is focused so heavily on catering to the hip hop crowd. MPCs were used heavily in R&B music, Pop music, and plenty of other genres. My father traded in his s950 Akai sampler, which had a lower bit rate, for an s5000 Akai sampler as soon as they became available. In fact, he stopped sampling with the MPC60 and exclusively triggered the s5000s cleaner samples. Point being not everybody craved the lower bit rate MPC 60 / 3000 sound.
If you want your drums to "hit harder" sample them louder and turn them up to 6. If that's still not loud enough for you, use the plethora of emulations and plugins that come with modern day MPCs. There is no excuse. You can make your drums "hit" as hard as you need them to.
I started with an MPC 2000 in 98, and upgraded to a 2500. And then took an unfortunate detour into DAW production because I got tired of tracking outboard synthesizers, and fiddling with midi time code / SMPTE etc.
With the most modern MPCs, new Akai has perfectly blended the MPC workflow (Sequences, pad drumming etc) with the best DAW features, (exporting stems, plug-ins, softsynths, instant recall etc) there's no going back.
Isn’t making a long sequence the same as a linear arrangement??? 🤔🤔🤔
I’ve never needed nor wanted arranger mode , I don’t like DAWs , I don’t like building a song like it’s Lego
As an owner of a MPC X and other Akai gear/software, I'd like to thank you, Weaver, for showing me that I don't give a single fucking fuck about any of this bullshit.
The mpc 4000 is not considered one of the Linn boxes. It has a hifi sound like the 5000 and new the ones
It's better built, though. Anything after the 4000 is built really poorly.
Converters aside the MPC has multiple ways of making any noise sound vintage. Air plug ins, there's even a vintage mode in the options. A sp1200 ring mode and mpc 3000
i HESITANTLY bought an Akai controller recently and had to return it because the pads were busted. and there was no one to blame but myself
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO its made its way here!!!
Run away! Run away!
That's a big difference in the snare. These differences add up. Especially when you use a lot of tracks, I can understand the users :D It's funny that modern hardware often sounds thinner. Akai should listen to the users and do a poll. Companies should do that in general, listen to the users and then count how many people actually want that. Simply developing something and hoping that it's great can't work out in the long run. Almost everything modern Gear sounds nearly the same at the end of the day, so people probably want old hardware.
I’d rather have my own control over the saturation.
It was a big difference, but nothing you couldn't add with all the tools that's in the new MPC's & Force. So find that sound & resample everything thru that & get rocking. The cool thing about it being clean is that you're not stuck with that 1 sound & for many people, that's why it's better than the older MPC's.
Nobody really cares about them old ass converters. I can make a dope track with a tin can and a ball of yarn. It really doesn’t matter. And son was probably butt hurt bout not being in the free mpc click
The problem with doing a poll for something like this is that most people don't really know what they want, buy think they do until they get it & all hell breaks loose!
I don't think the controversy is only about the converters. The way it looks, it's more about the entire sound of an instrument. Sure the converters are part of the story but also the filter and audio engine. To sum it up, it's the argument that legacy MPC instruments provided sound that could be published right out of the machine. The sound was ready and you could hear it immediately. Something that the new MPC has allegedly lost. Sure you can add outboard gear to finish the track but it requires extra time, effort and money. So the community is divided between these who feel that something valuable has been lost and the ones who don't feel that way or feel that the improvements in workflow are compensating the degrading production quality. Add the element of "you ruining it for everybody" and you get the drama.
Old-school producers didn't just record their MPCs and push the tracks out the door without any post-processing. There will always be compressing, EQ'ing, mixing and mastering involved. Heck, the fact that most of the old stuff was recorded on analog tape will influence the sound, not to mention stuff like running the signal slightly hot through a mixing console, which might even have a valve circuit somewhere in its path.
The new MPCs sound fine. Great, even. They're a lot less noisy, and if you're concerned about analog grit you could get yourself a second-hand Analog Heat I and record everything through it on its mildest setting. Works fine and doesn't break the bank.
@@unduloid 💯
The Force is probably the single best piece of new gear, as far as what it's supposed to do and what it actually does, that i've ever bought.
MPC/Force is a platform that continues to be developed, not abandoned like Korg did with Kronos.
I don't think this sounds bad at all. If your music out of this thing sounds bad, you're incompetent.
HOWEVER I wish they would pay Roger his royalties. He's such a sweet guy.
Also i think InMusic's marketing SUCKS.
May The Force be with you
Yes the Force has been a big hit since they kept updating it and people love the arrangement. Only thing that sucks and I hope the next version has a big improvement on is the screen layout and odd dimensions of the unit.
Kronos been out since 2011. Nautilus replaced it 3 years ago. Move tf on!!!!!!!!!!!! Force been out for how long???? Im pretty sure that bs will be abandon by Akai when they replace it.
@@dianevrules you literally don't know what you are talking about.
@@dianevrules What does "No BAMFN's allowed" mean?
I played an MPC3000 (the first MPC I learned on), it did have a phat sound. It was my first sampler I had experience with and I was told you could get the sound of "anything", 16 bit CD quality which was basically considered perfect pristine sound quality. I didn't have the money for a 3000 and in 1997 the 2000 came out, which I could afford. 16 bit CD sound quality. I bought it. I quickly proceeded to sample my Boss DR 660, but I sort of noticed that the drums in the 2000 didn't seem to hit as hard as I remember to the 3000. I thought I was imagining things but one day a producer I worked with brought over his 3000 and gave me some of his drum disks, I remember playing my 2000 next to his 3000 and I noticed that his 3000 sounded waay more powerful than mine. It had a punchier, fatter bass, the high end was present but also clean. I felt almost cheated as I thought 16 bit CD quality meant everything would sound the same.
That said I think the biggest differences (and an old magazine hinted at it was that the machines used different filters). As in the early-mid nineties, oversampling wasn't used and very expensive analog filters needed to be used (which inevitability added color to the sound). The MPC3000 went all out to make a high end filter. The 2000 was a stripped down version cost wise so one of the first places they cut costs were the filters which gave the 2000 a harsher/cryspier sound with a thinner low end.
But at some point though oversampled converters started being used which negates the need for an expensive analog filter. This makes much more cleaner stuff nowadays, so I think that is a big Reason Akai (or anyone is failing to do this). Maschine attempted the 60 and the 1200 and even mentioned that they thought emulating other 16 bit drum machines wasn't worth it. That said I'm thinking alot of this stuff can be done with proper use of VST saturation, eq, and filters but most people dont want to take the time to do that. And really I'm at the point where I know that software might not sound as phat as some old school digital gear but I know the workflow is often many times better, with a ton more flexibility.
But I think if Akai just took a bit of time to create a MPC3000 "mode" and made a good attempt, there would be happy users. I'm thinking we are probably at that point now as people are doing pretty faithful Moog, LA2A, Analog Tape, DX7 emulations, and older samplers such as the Fairlight, SP1200, MPC60, the 3000 would be next at some point.
I think though the MPC3000 is somewhat of a niche market where most people just thought of it as a crude sampler and probably went for stuff like the ASR10 or a Rackmounted Sampler like the EMUs.
The last MPC that had a sound to it was the 4k.
Needs granular mode and lots more potential FX for sound mangling. Similar to octatrack the. I’d buy one in a heartbeat.. akai combined with electron would be a perfect machine.
Welp here we are…lol
I know I’m going to come off as an akai Stan but the price is a lil high but it’s got all the plug-ins packaged in twice the ram and 3x the storage natively
Still $800 is a lot considering that plug-in package has a lot of overlap. You got a buy a whole bunch of expensive keyboard libraries to get that extra RAM.
Yes. I’m never falling for it again. I fell for it once. I would recommend you try out an MPC before you buy
as an old head MPC user i don't know whats going on or what the drama's about still.
it is about Maschine MK4 lo
@@LaidbackSounds how do i make my mpc one make a slim jimmy type beat
@@BLKLTRSH lol haha, put a bando of 100s on your mpc one and bring it to a strip club, the rest will happen by itself lol
"It's not going to make a difference if you have clicking in all of your drums"
DAAAAMMMMN...FACTS!! GOT EM.
i can even hear the difference even with laptop speakers
3000 got that true grit !! great upload
Thank you WEAVER....
Im blacker than outer space, playing the race card game is CRAZY. This is the last space I wanna hear that sh!t. We have to deal with that in almost every other facet of life. Please no more of that crap here (the creative space). Let’s just make good music. Tf! 🤦🏾♂️
FYI great video! Sub’d!
The vintage sound is so easy to accomplish, electronically speaking, a single transformer could accomplish this for no more than $80, jist gotta look at old boutiqe gear schematics
One thing I dislike about music production RUclipsrs is they sell a product and say its amazing and use a completely different product in there studio.
2 thing is the how to get placement videos and they have no placements.