The Real Cost of Cheap Wood | Wood Industry | ENDEVR Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- The Real Cost of Cheap Wood | Wood Industry | Business Documentary from 2017
When 15 - 30% of the timber sold worldwide is thought to be illegal, how sustainable is the wood used in Ikea’s products? The company claims it only uses responsibly-sourced materials but - as this investigation reveals - some of their sub-contractors are pillaging Romania’s ancient forests. In Indonesia, APP plantations have caused widespread pollution. This investigation, filmed in Sweden, France, Romania and Indonesia, investigates the real cost of cheap wood.
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Another excellent documentary. My company and myself will no longer buy anything produced by IKEA, and I have sent your video link to their customer service department notifying them.
But IKEA says we buy from good scourced wood. They also say they don’t buy wood from rainforests
What kind of company do you operate
No more IKEA for me and family.
Its same story even in croatia,they are all corrupted bastards that are lenient to bribing corporation,saying all is well and legit,and they take all the money for them self on expence of nature and people.And when crime get noticed by the investigative journalist,then they all act dumb,oh that is not true,i don't know this,blah,blah,exuses.From croatia i remember about 'trash recycling business',that is in italian ownership,who has make deal with HDZ party member mayor,about dumping trash into old abandoned storages,and other improvised dumps.This kind of news gets on tv shows Istraga,Provjereno,and Potrosacki kod,Istraga =Investigation,Provjereno=Checked out,Potrosacki Kod=Consumers Codex.
And looks that everyone knew what's going on, but not ikea.
I love how big companies like IKEA tell us how they try and get the materials from sustainable way and people really believe that. Of course companies won't tell you "some part of our production is really fishy, sorry".
If the punishment is a fine, then there is no true punishment for violating laws, it is merely a cost of doing business - with the fine being the government's way of participating in and condoning the activity.
Governments allow this to happen. They even make money off of this behavior in the form of fines. If they actually wanted to stop this behavior, there would be actual consequences.
Million dollar fine, but a billion dollar profits. Works out pretty great for them. Don't forget the government people are also getting paid off. And those same government people own stock and such in these companies.
So true if the government allows this because they make big money off of fines. So crazy they allow this to happen luckily Millions of ppl will view this video on RUclips
Suprised ive seen a comment like this under a random video that popped up on my screen lol you must be a trader
When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money.
this should be made known to everyone.
if Ikea really cares about sustainability it should look down to the bottom of its supply chain, not just its direct suppliers.
When a company claims it's "green" ..it means it's "green" like in "dollars' green"....
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I don't know how it pays off to use large solid wood in order to make particle board instead of use it as planks... Here, where I live, in Serbia (just across the boarder), small beach wood, used as a fuel, costs maybe 50-60 EUR a cubic meter, whereas solid wood beach boards cost around 600 EUR. It's like they were supposed to use copper but were using gold instead.
Im a laborer. I work with wood sometimes. All i have to say is dont go to home depot... you pay top price for the lowest quality splintered beat up wood that is still wet amd will warp in 1 month.
Yeah me and my family buy from a local lumber yard where he fells the trees himself with all the proper paperwork.
That Home Depot wood is from farmed trees. That's why it warps. Old growth trees have tightly packed fibers that makes it a better product.
Excellent job! And, this is a huge problem that most people are totally unaware of. I think that you should step up your efforts to boycott sellers whose supply chains are causing deforestation. You are doing a great job. But, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Wood is great and it can be sustainable if we all decide to enforce it. Also, sustainable wood sourcing will create good jobs and prosperity - even for the countries whose forests are currently being violated. Carry on your excellent work!
Those logs looked like they can't be safely milled...some of them look like they have middle rot others are split and narled...others look way to small!
You should have a professional grader look at them and judge not just a reporter!
Are any of these logs cut from fire cuts?
Give us the why's for the cuts also!
Amazon forest also have been lit on fire and trees cut down. At this rate imagine our world 50 years from now
The Amazon has BEEN cut down. Over and over throughout human history. Like global warming.. you realize we dont stay stuck in ice ages right?
Eventually there will be a landscape void of human life...believe that.
Fantastic! I gained yet another one more knowledge today. Thank you, ENDEVR. By the way, the title should read 'BOYCOTT IKEA'
The enthusiasm behind the cadence of the narrator’s monologue exited me.
Great work on this very important documentary! 💖
Also, my heart goes out for all the poor Sumatran Tigers that lost their home because of the endless human greed. 😔🐅
The biggest problem is YOU the bargain hunter, the I don't want to pay mega bucks for furniture people or people on a budget, unfortunately many can't afford solid wood furniture so they go for something like Ikea, that is affordable for the masses. Particle board or chipboard is ok in cheap furniture but it can be weak and is often just thrown away when it breaks. It was originally designed to use up waste from manufacturing which is a brilliant use for it, but It was found that better strength, appearance and resin economy could be achieved by using more uniform manufactured chips. These manufacturers began processing solid birch, beech, alder, pine and spruce into consistent chips and flakes, who according to this film don't care where that wood comes from, at the end of the day they have to feed the monster (manufacturer) and people at the bottom of the food chain just want money to survive.
Thank you for revealing this catastrophe happening in our country.
4:55 - just like on another side of Carpathians, in Ukraine. The government put a ban on export of unprocessed logs to discourage illegal logging + favour domestic furniture-makers. But no lesser person that head of the European Comission, Junker, demanded the ban to be lifted - otherways Ukraine will be sanctioned for the breach of its EU trade association + general WTO treaty commitments. This is HOW the EU actually protects the environment!
Protection. It is a racket, and the E U is the chief gangster !
@@linmal2242Lets not forget the mafia WTO.
Fair play to the Austrians for having integrity not only to accept an interview but also answering questions. Nowadays it is rare as everyone higher up knows that just a wording error can risk their job if it compromises the company dispite not being their intention. A brave man especially if he has kiddies, and shows responsibility of the company to aim for a degree of transparency
On contrary, I think the men were just over-confident that they would be able to outmanoeuvre the interviewer, only to find the otherwise. They really didn't provide any useful information other than canned corporate responses.
@@oldhongkong565 I agree. I don't think here was any moral high ground displayed.
I know who's cutting all the trees for Ikea. It's Marco from Tropoja. I asked him if Ikea would ever start doing what they promised and his reply was "Good luck!" 😄
15:00 I'm just too depressed to finish watching this. Here I was, about to go online to search for a bookshelf from Ikea, and then I saw this. :'( :'( I guess I'll be shopping at my local secondhand & thrift stores, and the Habitat For Humanity Re-Store. Damn!!
Lol sure
I've found some amazing oak furniture there. It lasts forever and if you move it doesn't fall apart.
Now you're talking. Support your local Thrift, like I do. They make a difference in your community and re-use, re purpose already made stuff!
How are companies able to get away with breaking laws in such vast quantities? It is proved that many loggers are cutting down old forests, so why are the loggers not in jail?
When the trust and respect, for each other is no longer,considered very important, we are in real trouble
Sometimes I am really ashamed of being human. Why are we not trying to get out of this greed trap that we all the time fall into....
WHAT! 5 MILLION?! That's a slap on the wrist compared to what they are making. That's like fining me 0.20€ cents for speeding at 240km/h. What a way to end the doc.
Never stepped foot into ikea, and never will. People are wasteful, exchanging furniture every couple year's. I guess if you buy cheap particle board you need new junk after two year's. God bless.
Super, au ajuns știrile și la străini că noi ne vindem codrul nostru frumos.. vai de capul nostru.. alții îl prețuiesc și îl păstrează noi îl vindem cum putem și ne dăm în cap unul la altul..
Bottom line? Corruption!!
⭐ *19:30** The guy did his Job!! Bravo! She showed him the 200-300 old trees and THAT company works with Ikea* .
*1. THAT company can supply the NON problematic material* to IKEA , AND also use these 200-300 year old trees to do business with OTHER companies.
*2. She CAN'T PROVE, that these trees were used in IKEA PRODUCTS* . Did she follow these trees around and WATCH them be made into IKEA furniture?
This looks like some fantastic Journalism work. very interesting. World shouldn't have billionaires, accumulation of wealth is the main cause of all problems.
We get a Biden voter lol
@Vikrant Kulkarni, people like you believe in equality of outcome which is everyone being miserable.
Thanks for sharing the information.
I live in Singapore and the smoke from the Indonesian forest is real.
Sounds similar to what nestle is doing in Cali, I think they pay 100 bucks a year to take billions of gallons of water more than the permit says.
There will come a'rekoning! And then the citizen/taxpayer will be given the bill for reclamation/restoration/renewal.
excelent documentry knowledge is power, thanks .
I'm nominating this documentary for an Oscar in media for the winer position
low grade, those were, those trunks with holes and crooks are not good for making good boards. You say thats not the case but that to me does look like they are sub standard grade of dying trees so does meet IKEA's standards, looks to me you don't understand what you are talking about
Exactly, thank you! Had same thoughts when I saw the truck with what they called "good wood". Lol.
Nah they were fresh trunks
@@Soopy.19618 fresh has nothing to do with anything, fresh cut or last month will still meets the same requirements
@@peterkompter2417 I know but you they are still cutting down new trees atleast the trees can still make oxygen
you pulled off the "happy sarcasm" reporting style pretty well
I will never buy Ikea again and will do all i can to persuade family and friends to do likewise.
All of that wood you got so excited about was third or forth grade wood good only for fire wood or particle board and it was being put to very good use.
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam. "
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment?"
So basically we consume fast fashion, fast furniture or fast food at our own peril..
Well said !
I myself would like to have "cradle to grave" laws imposed upon everything manufactured regardless of whatever the contents. If there's no possibility of reuse, repurpose, or recycle, then the product should have at least a landfill tax applied to the initial purchase price.
These documentary types of shows offer a lot of over dramatized dirt for very little hard solutions. I'll be watching just the same. And by the way, my granny was born and raised in what is called a "dugout" on the open prairie of Kansas. Soddies were the best but required much more effort and time. Poles for the roof were miles away and cost a lot.
Why do people want to live totally above ground on the prairies now is beyond my comprehension.
Keep planting the trees and maybe man's lame morals will eventually catch up.
Where does one find this "Cheap" wood? None around here that's for sure! (And we grow the stuff!)
A lot of Australian forests are grown by logging companies and harvested when mature. And no, I'm not a logger. Just stating fact. I love my pine coffee table that I built 30 years ago. It has a lot of memories for us.. I believe fines should be harsher for all illegal loggers.. And if they can proove it. Companies that buy their goods. the buck stops with Ikea..
Our children, grand children & great grand children will have almost no forest, no clean fresh water & no clean seas when the profiteers are finished with the planet..So Sad..& Most of Us on the Planet are powerless to stop it or intervene in any meaningful way..
Great Documentary Though Guys..Keep Up the Fight for our Planet once U are able...
ROCKMAN😎.
Without a demand there is no supply....that's how you an individual can help combat the problem.
I live in sweden and i can say 98% of sweden is covered in forest . All the wood they buy from baltic countries very cheap
For sure IKEA will not cut down the forests in Sweden 🇸🇪 . The best quality one is just "stolen" from other countries. No one really cares so we take the wood for cheap. :(
now Indonesia, that's clear cutting
The saddest thing is you would think it would be more economical to use recycled wood.
✨🌎 Excellent Field/ Global Reporting on Ecology & Social Impacts on Human~ these type of journalism people are interested in learning about 👍
Very well put together, however, it played more like a movie than a documentary due to the bias. The team seemed more interested in gathering evidence for a predetermined narrative, opposed to understanding an incredibly complex topic. Like furniture.
every piece of media is biased, what matters is whether you are being upfront about it instead of hiding behind the illusion that anything can be truly objective, especially when it concernes moneyed interets and marketing that wants you to see their world with rose tinted glasses.
I don’t have to watch it . Just fast forward and look at the pics and presenters and their target . A quick scan of the comments and you have the whole thing .
I agree with your assessment, but the facts are correct. The paper mill industry is bad as well. Oddly, they never discussed much about it....and it is about lumber
Yup Ikea is off my shopping list.
The interview with IKEA official is nonsense. Talk to the court as directed by IKEA official
Only awareness to consumer can reduce IKEA sales and IKEA will be held responsible.
Petition to stop using IKEA wood.
I took the video seriously all the way until @39:33 so you mean to say making physical paper copes of all that info was better suited for the video that say, digital photos taken by just about any device & can be sent a unlimited amount of people or you can make them all copies, paper of course. None of that printing front & back per page stuff either
The ending though. They were finned a whopping 5 million for the damages. A kick in the 🥜 for sure
imo it is better use wood furnitures than plastic ones...in an environmentally sustainable way.
Sad that it has to go this way. Ikea works hard to make such a small environmental impression as possible. Of course, it is furniture that is sold so natural resources will be used. Do not think it is really fair not to check with Romania and their authorities what is being done to control their wood industry. Then all the papers from the company's audits are correct. Do not think it will be super much more work for that factory if it matches what slm is shown in the report.
I'm a Romanian. The authorities in Romania are the ones that are allowing the deforestation. They are corrupted and getting huge money from the wood mafia.
What he said!!
Not ikea does NOT
Living in middle of forest in Bulgaria and worry every day how to approach this loging the right way. Anyone heard about some quidence from got what locals can do???
The forest if optimal for urban guerrilla tactics.. bang bang then hide in the forest.
The most important thing you need to have. Is COMMUNICATIONS. Not guns not food or shelter but comms. Without communications an army is DEAD ON ARRIVAL
Scientists discovered that a sling can throw a lead projectile with the same stopping power of a .44 magnum. Slings are lethal and dirt cheap and easy to make. 10 men with slings. Thats trouble. Now imagine if you had guns
Og alle disse på denne dokumentarfilmen bygger de da møblene selve? Vorr får de da materialen fra til og da bygge sine møbler og hus?
If you look closer at that tractor trailer of big logs going into kronospan every pc I saw had dry rot or hollow centre's and not very straight 🤔
You worked with them but he does not know.
His minimum requirements is also incompetent.
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Vordan skall dere få lagret mat produkter i kjølerom uten tre industrien?
Hvem betaler for atte mensker runt hele jorkloden får lønning hvem betaler for det?
I own business in wood industry and I can tell you they got couple of things wrong, those logs in first half of the video and those huge ones. Those trees are better cut because they suck all the energy in the forest and covering sunlight for smaller trees. Also you can see black hart in those beech logs especially huge in huge ones that would be use mostly for firewood or one time use pallets. So its low grade wood , very low grade. I don't like that they don't ask for papers of wood. They should ask for FSC wood
Using chipboard intead of real wood is more profitable for Ikea, and othe similar companies, mainly because the furniture lasts only a few years. So they sell other time , this makes deflorestation, and theyr profit, bigger.
Hvor mye energi tar det ver eneste dag for og lagre denne filmen ver eneste dag drives sørverene på denne filmen på kullkraft?
Hvor mye kull må mann brenne ver eneste dag for att dere skall gå lagret slike data filer?
Cardboard furniture? WTH really tho?
Vor mye vill denne filmen bo
Idra til global oppvarming på si 300år frammåver i tid med og lagre dette på Internett?
Hvor mange trer må mann kutte ned for og lagre dette på Internett?
This is the cost of our comfort.
Yet another reason to grow hemp
True, but not enough profits for big business, so they stopped growing it.
I work in forestry and can assure you all that wood on them trucks is junk.
i dont know german language but these SHWEIGHOFER name translated must be like " PIGS of WOOD "
What are the substitute for wood? Need answers
Masonry! Marble! And Granite!
Like plastic? You got it.
Hemp would replace a lot of the manufactured wood products like paper and pressboard furniture.
We should all get into the tree business. Plant trees now!
SAND is way way more shady/expensive
People coveted having huge houses in this country without any true need , except opulence. This was going for decades. Tearing up good farmland to escape crime ridden cities. Until the heart changes, nature suffers no rest. Bad idea. Housing is necessary. But not wasteful consumption. Could have both, but eventually not this way.
the Ikea guy remind me 2014 world cup in Brazil which have law ban sell alcohol because of public safety people were dying in stadiums but the FIFA guy Jerome Valcke has the audacity to say during press conference "we have to sell beer we don't compromise" and Brazil change the law call it Budweiser law that what greed does
19:00 -- Unconcerned about the allegations. Not even offering to have it checked out. Simply implying that he's been presented with lies.
If you have a conscience, you won't rise to this level in a major corporation. You have to be misanthropic and willing to sell your soul.
Vordan bygge hus og bolig blokker uten treverk?
every time they cut trees,they should re plant
That would help.....wouldn't be the answer, but it sure would help.
Hvordan bor de som har laget denne filmen bor de på gata uten klær vordan spiser de mat vordan drikker de vann?
Too much music this's not professional documentary at all.
it wouldnt be as bad if they replanted the trees but they dont. they are all large corporations
Hey, try planting a tree for every one you cut down. Duh.
I'm quitting to buy from IKEA anything
But they got a good ESG score, right...
I'm sorry to say this but the reporter who interviewed the IKEA guy did a terrible job. I understand that it's hard to keep your cool when you interview a guy like this but somebody with a better argumentative logic and better command of the language could do better.
Still a great documentary nevertheless.
Consumerism is driving all this furniture companies or any other companies that cater to consumers demand. If people can reduce the demand for things, then these companies will in turn produce less. People can look for old furniture on internet like Carousell , craiglist, yard sales or stores that sell old recycles. Use cloth instead of paper towel to clean. If only we can reduce ,minimise, recycle, repair.
START FIGHTING F O R REFORESTATION NOT FIGHTING A G A I N S T LOGGING.
SO NOW PACKAGING IS IN PLASTIC CLAM SHELLS- THIS IS FAR WORSE.. DON'T YOU GET IT...
START FIGHTING F O R REFORESTATION NOT FIGHTING A G A I N S T LOGGING.
Goto a PREMIUM wood processor and show the difference...that was all LOWEST grade wood..few logs end up as boards...
Bamboo growth unknown like patriotic 🙂
They know how to cut down trees 🌲 but not how the replant trees!
Just a couple things about trees , many types need to be harvested or they will die , around here I have birch on my land that is that large and I can assure you they are not 200 yrs old . . Anyway I think people should buy used vintage furniture , if a bookcase lasted 100 yrs it will go another 100
Using wood is a lot better than using plastic. Those trees will grow back in 20 years, plastic is forever in a landfill.
All imported from Chyna ! Hows your balance of payments, balance of trade ?
There argument makes no sense. If it’s A plus wood they would ant use it for that. The mill probably makes all kinds of boards if it’s more profitable. If you want to make a argument if there not replanting trees sure then that makes sense. Everyone watching this video has furniture and lives in a house made of wood.
Once its gone, its gone.
They don't care at all about the forest.? It's all about the money. He's LIEING to her face knowing where they buy the wood he's a creep LIEING no good person at all
costumer: can I get a bed made from eco friendly?
IKEA: we have eco friendly wood in furniture
AT HOME
IKEA WOOD AT HOME: 🎄 🌴 🌴 🌴 THOSE LOOK SUSTAINABLE 😂😂
How is it lost forever when trees do infact grow back ??
Do you think a tree grows back to its height in a fkn year
That way petroleum is renewable
An American logger would bust the ikea rep in the mouth!