For everyone who's asking: Charles II's mistresses and illegitimate children are on the schedule for spring next year! Also thanks for the well-wishes, I'm just getting over laryngitis but had to finish the ad read with my frog voice.
“I want to make sure my young son doesn’t grow up to have any sexual hang ups. I know, I’ll get this much older woman to force herself on him. That definitely won’t screw him up at all.”
@@ChibiProwl urg can't stand Maintenon. The fact Maintenon was able to raise Athenais' children when Athenais' was separated from them, then displaced her and married the king. Just dirty and no respect lol.
Maintenon was one hell of a woman for sure. The fact that she treated the queen with respect (enough to be given a ring at her deathbed) and founded a school for impoverished girls to give them the education she never got is just amazing, understandable why the king didn't take any official Mistresses after her.
Normally I wouldn't like mistresses, Maintenon won me over she sounded like a wise pragmatic woman. I think her being allowed to speak and treat King Louisnas a equal is what help her build a relationship with him. And I think the King came to truly respected her and wanted her by his side not in the lusty way. Plus Maintenon shown respect to the Queen made me smile. I felt bad for the Queen having to put up with Louis and his antics.
The one who was super guilty over everything and become a nun was the most attractive from the portraits I saw. I will never get men stay with the hot no they don't.
It seems pretty silly for one mistress to come in and be snarky to the other mistress. Girl, that'll be you one day soon! I'd make friends with everyone so no one wanted me to leave 😆😆
I'd make sure who was there longer and who was there -- to be there-- after me or while there. Then I'd set out to find any guys that were "rediculously close" friends with him. No exactly trust them with a fifty foot pole but keep them close at the sane time. No one would want me around because I knew everything but no one could get rid of me either-- regardless if I was his favorite or not. I'd be the Lady Of Smugness 😂😂😂
From a modern perspective I can't help but feel sorry for all these teenage girls pressured into relationships with the king. Especially with all the Catholic guilt in play :(
Boys and girls, Louis was only 15 when his mom thought it was a great idea to get a 38 year old woman to deflower her son because she worried he might be gay. Just no.
I agree with you but it’s important to remember, this time was very different to today, there was little to no love matches and a lot of the time it was arranged marriages by their parents, most couples within the noble court had affairs, when Louis the 16th didn’t have a mistress it backfired massively and thus Marie Antoinette was hated, all the hate on the mistress that usually happened landed on the monarch and thus the revolution Also everyone in the court had affairs, it’s recorded a husband catches his wife in bed with her lover and he apologises to her for arriving early and catching them in the act and embarrassing her- it’s just how it was
@@Theturtleowl I suspect he developed such an... appetite for intercourse because he was traumatized by being deflowered at a young age, maybe against his will. It's a common reaction to s%xual assault, unfortunately...
Louise did the right thing by leaving, scorning Montespan for her arrogant belief that Louise was so weak as to not want to leave so Montespan could continue to abuse and bully her. If anything, Montespan should have looked to Louise as a warning to what would eventually happen to her, but she didn't. Louise certainly didn't do anything wrong, and she showed it by living her life as best she could even when she was dogged by guilt. She certainly lived a better life then Montespan by not making any enemies in court outside of simply being the mistress. She caused no scandals. All she wanted was Louis' love, but knew well enough to not cause trouble, even showing her regret towards the Queen.
Like I don't know if age of consent was even a thing back then but the idea of a mother asking a 35 year old to "deflower" their 15 year old son is super disturbing to me
Considering people often died around 30, or died very early comparing to now, people married à 13-15 was common, sometimes younger, both for men and women. Comparing it with the modern era standards would be a mistake.
The fact that Maintenon wasn't born into wealth and royalty probably gave her the wit and pragmatism to rise to power. What a cool lady. Even though I hate that the king pitted all these women against each other, I'm glad that she was the one who overcame in the end.
Wow! That's the entire series of "Versailles" condensed into half and hour. I love your excellent use of the portraits to keep us on track (since there were so many). I think I will dream of jewels and huge drop pearls, along with flowing silks and hair. So much beauty for one man. Hardly seems fair...
Not really the case. The House of Bourbon was far from incestuous, all things considered. The Habsburgs model did not apply in France. Obviously, there were a few first and second cousins marriages here and there (before Louis XIV), but plenty of marriages with foreign princesses and princes to help renew the DNA. The Bourbon branch looks pretty healthy, as far as royal trees go.
@@visenyatargaryen9130 Aye and there were 1-2 other Habsburgs who came into the Bourbon line like that, but the line itself (the Bourbons) wasn't incestuous and their family tree doesn't make a circle (which is funny but makes no sense) is what I was replying to. The Bourbons didn't marry between uncles and nieces. I obviously didn't say that their line was a perfectly healthy one; just that as far as royal lines went, they were pretty okay. Things get a bit more iffy as time goes by, but Anne of Austria was the first Habsburg to join the royal Bourbon family at that point. N.B: It is highly amusing to see a Targaryen discussing incestuous family trees, though. It's good to see experts being brought in.
I am currently studying Barroque architecture, and, ofc, we analysed some rooms of Versailles, and some of Louis’s life. I do feel for his wife, though:’)
I don't think theirs was a love match, but you never know. She never seemed to complain unless one of the mistresses was out of pocket. Personally, I'd be super concerned about being transferred pox and syphilis with the revolving door to his bed. Hopefully after she performed her duty, he left her alone lol.
As an Athénaïs I can testify that you finally said her name correctly (unlike that terrible Versailles series). The Montespan was awful but the most famous woman with my name. She was always the antagonist of all those French young adult novels set in Versailles for teenage girls.
Only recently found this channel and I’m absolutely obsessed! This is part of my nighttime routine all nights. Your voice is sooo soothing!! Thank you for the amount of work you put in and I love how you talk about this real tea and women and not about wars or only males. And speaking of voice the last part of the commercial you sounded sick..I hope you feel better if you are or were ill!!!
Established Titles is an iffy sponsorship. They've apparently told RUclipsrs the title Lord/Lady can be used on official documents when it cannot. It's the same as the "buying and naming a star after yourself" thing. No official entity would ever recognize it haha. Not to mention I've heard they're disliked by the locals in Scotland, can't remember why, I'd have to look it back up Some quotes I found interesting after looking up this company and a very similar one named Highland Titles, which works pretty much identically to Established Titles "The environment sector in Scotland generally does not hold a high opinion of the work carried out by Highland Titles,” an anonymous source at a major Scottish NGO tells Euronews Green. “But their reputation for running to court means that people don’t feel comfortable speaking out. “Scots with a wider cultural awareness find the whole proposition of selling titles ludicrous and insulting. As you would find with any brief trawl through social media on the subject.” Director of Highland Titles Douglas Wilson responded to Euronews Green that the company had never been to court about anything. But our off-record conversations with other environmental groups and individuals in Scotland point to the company having a hostile reputation. It’s easy to understand the company’s high profits. Tree-planting schemes tap into our eco-anxiety; combining such promises with a novelty gift pack is well-tailored to UK, US and Australian consumers. But as we’ve previously reported, it’s important to do the homework on these companies.
The chaos between (straight) Louis, his bi sister in law who he was also sleeping with and his gay brother and the many, many, many lovers is just too much to make sense of in ur head
You should do an episode on the Palatine, Chalotte Elisabeth, the sister in law of Louis XIV, she's a very interesting character, especially in her letters ^^
Her letters make me cackle with laugher- such as her comments on her looks during a cold “a shat on carrot” and speaking about marriage and her giving birth
She was amazing and the only woman to have the metaphorical balls to turn her back on Louis XIV when he bribed her son into marrying his youngest daughter with Athenaïs. She slapped Philippe and didn't acknowledge Louis when he bowed to her.
The French court sounds so much more entertaining then the English one around this time, for real 😂😂😂. What really takes the cake is one mistress unleashing her pet BEARS (like ma’am?? 😭) in the other ones room, straight comedy. Such drama!
The English court was very interesting at this time, Charles 11 was the reigning monarch, he had as many if not more mistresses than Louis from The Duke of Buckinghams daughter, Barbara Villiers, to cockney actress Nell Gwynne, he also had several illegitimate children, his sister was Henriette of Orleans, Louis sister in law, wife to his brother " Monsieur" I have read countless books about this period of history, Louis the Sun King , wore heels because it was the fashion, the fashion was for the heels to be red, a status symbol, Much like Cuban heeled boots men wore in the sixties, only heard two lines of this flat voice, monark!! as opposed to monarch, totally clueless.
I think I've binged like 10 videos since finding this channel over the weekend. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge/skill with us, Lindsay! I also love running over to tell my parents things I've learned that make them go, "wait really??"
I can’t imagine the stress of knowing your lover could casually cheat on you at any whim. That there are dozens of young ladies - hundreds including non-nobles - constantly throwing themselves at him. I had a friend who dated a famously attractive athlete and though she trusted him, they couldn’t go out in public without having women come up to them and basically proposition him as though she wasn’t sitting right there. They eventually broke up. 😞 Versailles sounds like it would give me panic attacks.
Had a friend that had a gorgeous husband. She was a genuinely nice lady & handled it better than just about anybody I've ever seen. She would allude to it indirectly & just roll her eyes. I loved that, don't know why.
Françoise de Montespan was born Rochechouart de Mortemart one of a oldest aristocratic family of France. She liked to tease the king saying that her family was older than his. She had the famous Mortemart spirit, madame de Sévigné said of her that: "To the most surprising beauty, she joined the most lively, the finest, the best cultivated spirit, this hereditary spirit in her family".
@@ThomasHarding1990 I don't need Wiki Something to know that this part of the Rochechouart family was called Rochechouart de Mortemart or simply Rochechouart Mortemart (Mortemart is indeed a title) to show the difference with the eldest branch of the Rochechouart family. The members of the house of Rochechouart de Mortemart bore this name as Françoise de Rochechouart de Mortemart...
@@ThomasHarding1990de Mortemart was the junior branch of the family (the main one had died out by Montespan’s day). So yes, the family were the Rochechouarts of Mortemart.
I think when the Queen gave the ring to madame de maintenon it, it symbolize that the Queen was giving her blessing to her to marry Louis which I think is very touching
Bein non apparemment elle savait pas la liaison du roi avec Mme de maintenon... Car figurez vous que le roi gardait à la cour Mme de Montespan après l'affaire des poisons pour faire paravent aux rumeurs de sa liaison secrète avec Mme de Maintenon. J'avais lu dans un livre biographique que MarieTherese n'a du coup apprit que quelques semaines avant sa mort la liaison secrète de Maintenon avec le roi et quand elle lui donne l'anneau c'etait avant de savoir pour juste la remercier de l'avoir réconciliée avec le roi pas pour lui dire OK tu pourras te marier avec dès que...
Well no apparently she didn't know about the king's affair with Mme de maintenon... Because imagine that the king kept Madame de Montespan at court after the poison affair to shield rumors of his secret affair with Madame de Maintenon. So that no one knows that He was really with Maintenon. Only rumors. I had read in a biographical book on Madame de Maintenon that MarieTherese had only learned a few weeks before her death of Maintenon's secret affair with the king and when she gives her the ring it was before to know and just to thank her for it having reconciled with her husband the king! she didn't know their relation. Not to tell her : OK you can get married as soon as... Especially since it was unthinkable and almost impossible for a king to marry a woman below his rank. So the queen can't have just this idea of mariage. Sorry for the traduction it's Google
Through history and around the world, unfaithfulness from Royals is such a consistent topic I can only Imagine how many people actually have royal blood and are totally unaware of being of being somewhat/somehow royals.
I love watching your videos. I have learned a hundred times more from you and your history Channel then I have ever learned in school in any history or class.
Funnily enough, she worried that Louis was gay, but encouraged his brother Philippe to be effeminated and gay. Because she felt that a gay feminine brother will be less of a threat ^^'
I guess he really was either indeed CURED or probably he might not have ever really needed that maybe it’s his younger brother that needed that well maybe🤔
Great video! I think it would be hard to be a royal mistress because you know that your wealth and Status depends on on the favor of the king, but you also know that the king's interest will fade eventually.
20:30 An explanation: Isabelle was from the contested region of Lorraine/Lotringen between France and the German States. My guess is she spoke French with a German accent. But then so did the Princess Palatinate Elizabeth Charlotte, the sister-in-law to Louis XIV.
I was about to ask why some of the illegitimate children were legitimized, while others were not. But it seems you will answer that in the next video. Must have been incredibly frustrating for those who were not.
What I understood from the documentaries is that men back then specially kings had to have mistresses. Having mistresses was a sign of virility and masculinity.
Great vlog as always! I lost Louis 14th and his lovers at the bakery. Mamma Mia! What a jungle of lovers, nannies and drama! That is a town in Greece btw. I can not even get ONE misstress… I am no king. It could be the reason… lol! Keep up your splendid work!
I hope your feeling ok Lindsay, during the ad it sounded like you were struggling to speak. Thank you for the video but get better soon as the weather changes here in Canada!
@@Jason.cbr1000rr what a rude thing to say it's just laryngitis. So rude I think same or commenting something and saying someone is getting old is so fucking rude
Happy to hear that the reforestation idea is going so well, esp since the airport personnel, have all stopped laughing! Great idea esp for those of 'low self-esteem'. Seriously though, glad that more attention is being given to support the health of the planet that supports us all!
Imaging having such a tremulous affair with Louis XIV that you retire to a nunnery to live out the rest of your life contemplating your affair and regretting it
Kings in England used to have a "groom of the stool" (meaning toilet) for.botty-wiping and similar functions. Being allowed to be that intimately close to a person when they are vulnerable like that indicates great trust from the monarch. Grooms.of the Stool were very influential, and well rewarded for their pains, and so the position was very sought after.
@@lilymarinovic1644 yes I heard of the position of groom of the stool. And I can't say no matter how much privilege or anything I would get in the world I would not want to be wiping some guys butt. That's nasty
@@nobodysbaby5048 to be fair, medical science of the he time thought too much raw fruit and veg was bad for.ypur health. After all, it was what peasants ate and they dropped like flies. Not knowing about germ theory, of course they didnt know you had to wash the stuff first. Plus that the dysentery plague and other infections that knocked off most of the peasantry were usually not connected with their fruit and veg consumption.
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@@shostysboo short, smelly potential disease carrier ( not proper condoms and protection this era) hmm how women went all crazy about him OHHH I forgot.. king!!
Fun fact : it might have been possible as Louis XIV is suspected to be the father of "la mauresse de moret" a nun famous for having the favor of the king and for being black :) However seeing as he died some time ago you indeed are not able to be one of his mistress
The French Kings have always been known for their countless mistresses and illegitimate children, especially the Bourbons, Henri IV, his grandson Louis XIV, and Louis XV, the great-grandson of Louis XIV. These were the French Bourbons who had the most affairs with several mistresses. It would be interesting to have videos about Henri IV and Louis XV of France about their various mistresses and illegitimate children
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I’m upset that the TV series “Versailles” portrayed Madame de Maintenon the way they did. If they portrayed her as she historically was (and maybe didn’t go with the “man in the iron mask” narrative the way they did), they could’ve had a fourth season if they wanted to.
Being a wife was not bad either XD Like, there's a lot of talks about Louis's mistresses, but his wife had more power than any of the mistresses while she was alive and helped him a lot with France itself ^^
@@iezzan7034 A count or a duke's mistress was not bad either, if they're not married to another more powerful man. A miller's mistress, yeah that's not a good position XD
@@lilymarinovic1644 I meen Madam de Pompadour could get an episode of her own. Oddly enougth the King who probably had wrong his wife the least Louis XVI, is the the remebered as a tyrant, preatty crazy to think than with a grandfather and a great granfather like that he could not bring himself to consumate his blessed union with Marie Antoniette for whatever reason.
@@nuotatorre8741 Great great grandfather. And apparently, he did tried tp consumate his union, the problem was a malformation of the penis, he had to be operated ^^' But yeah, Louis XVI has a lot less mistresses than his two predecessors XD
That was not what I learnt about Marie Mancini at all from academic papers and books. I never liked medieval portraits (too "fluffy" for my taste) but her portrait was the one and only I ever thought as beautiful. Like real beautiful. Not sure it was just because Ferdinand's (the painter) style, he painted Hortense as well and I was only 'ok' with that one. She was Louis' 1st love and personally I think their separation by the Queen and Cardinal marked his coming of age and realization that great power always followed by great pain. They lived long and die only a few months a part, kinda makes me wanna believe that in the end, these 2 always love each other and Louis died heartbroken after hearing Marie's death. Anyway, that was all just my personal opinion. "Sire, I am leaving and you weep, and yet you are king."
Boom! So that's where "stupid as a basket" comes from -- I've heard historians use that phrase to refer to later mistress Madame du Barry, and here's the genesis of it, from the primary accounts of an earlier relative of the King.
I commented this on an older video then realized you may not read older ones so I apologize this is a duplicate: What program do you use to make these beautiful family trees? I'd love to make one of my own extended family
This is partly unrelated to the video but the portrait of queen Marie Francoise at 26:17 looks a LOT like “Portrait of a Young Woman” by Hans Holbein the younger that’s thought to be Katherine Howard!! am I being stupid or does anyone know why this is?
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For everyone who's asking: Charles II's mistresses and illegitimate children are on the schedule for spring next year! Also thanks for the well-wishes, I'm just getting over laryngitis but had to finish the ad read with my frog voice.
Get well soon dear. I enjoyed the video.
Get better soon!
“I want to make sure my young son doesn’t grow up to have any sexual hang ups. I know, I’ll get this much older woman to force herself on him. That definitely won’t screw him up at all.”
Can you make video about queen consorts of France.
Get well soon Lindsay!
“The king’s affections turned to her sister.”
Ah the old Boleyn girls treatment
And Spencer girls, Charles dated Diana's sister before dating Diana
The Monarch special.
And Austria's emperor, Franz supposed to be married to Elisabeth’s sister before marrying Elisabeth.
I spat my drink at this
sorta twice it seems and then there’s also his great grandson
You know you're a history nerd when you have a favorite mistress of Louis XIV.
Yes.😌Mine is the Madame de Maintenon.
MONTESPAN!!!!
Maria Theresa of Spain as always!❤
Aubigne 😆
@@ChibiProwl urg can't stand Maintenon. The fact Maintenon was able to raise Athenais' children when Athenais' was separated from them, then displaced her and married the king. Just dirty and no respect lol.
Maintenon was one hell of a woman for sure. The fact that she treated the queen with respect (enough to be given a ring at her deathbed) and founded a school for impoverished girls to give them the education she never got is just amazing, understandable why the king didn't take any official Mistresses after her.
She truly was?
Normally I wouldn't like mistresses, Maintenon won me over she sounded like a wise pragmatic woman. I think her being allowed to speak and treat King Louisnas a equal is what help her build a relationship with him. And I think the King came to truly respected her and wanted her by his side not in the lusty way. Plus Maintenon shown respect to the Queen made me smile. I felt bad for the Queen having to put up with Louis and his antics.
Is it just me, or does running off to become a nun sound like a way better option than all this backstabbing?
Poor Louise! I feel for her.
The one who was super guilty over everything and become a nun was the most attractive from the portraits I saw. I will never get men stay with the hot no they don't.
Sure thing, though the abuse of nuns was and still is a severe problem to
That is jumping From the pot to the fire. In the nunnery she would become mistress to a sex crazed priest
Muffled Laughter 😇
It seems pretty silly for one mistress to come in and be snarky to the other mistress. Girl, that'll be you one day soon! I'd make friends with everyone so no one wanted me to leave 😆😆
Omfg Same 🤣
I'd make sure who was there longer and who was there -- to be there-- after me or while there. Then I'd set out to find any guys that were "rediculously close" friends with him. No exactly trust them with a fifty foot pole but keep them close at the sane time. No one would want me around because I knew everything but no one could get rid of me either-- regardless if I was his favorite or not. I'd be the Lady Of Smugness 😂😂😂
A diplomatic approach. Love it
Heck yeah! I'd butter up and get that Dutchy and that allowance for retirement! Pleasure doing business with you, Sire! 😆
😂😂😂
From a modern perspective I can't help but feel sorry for all these teenage girls pressured into relationships with the king. Especially with all the Catholic guilt in play :(
Boys and girls, Louis was only 15 when his mom thought it was a great idea to get a 38 year old woman to deflower her son because she worried he might be gay. Just no.
It backfired on her pretty spectacular- he became a veracious lover
I agree with you but it’s important to remember, this time was very different to today, there was little to no love matches and a lot of the time it was arranged marriages by their parents, most couples within the noble court had affairs, when Louis the 16th didn’t have a mistress it backfired massively and thus Marie Antoinette was hated, all the hate on the mistress that usually happened landed on the monarch and thus the revolution
Also everyone in the court had affairs, it’s recorded a husband catches his wife in bed with her lover and he apologises to her for arriving early and catching them in the act and embarrassing her- it’s just how it was
@@Theturtleowl THIS. it’s so nasty.
@@Theturtleowl I suspect he developed such an... appetite for intercourse because he was traumatized by being deflowered at a young age, maybe against his will. It's a common reaction to s%xual assault, unfortunately...
I could legit never survive Versailles I’m too sensitive 😂
Might as well just join the convent and get it over with.
I'm just going to admit not being smart enough. No matter how beautiful I could make myself it would never be enough.
yea the smell would kill me before the debauchery 😂
I agree with this. I can be pretty mean sometimes, but I’m pretty sure these women would reduce me to tears 😂
@@jialisette5898 not to mentioned all the poisons, the gossips, the sabotages, and insults.
“Elizabeth Charlotte of Orléans described Angélique as as lovely as a angel but stupid as a basket” wow now that’s an insult you don’t hear every day
I feel bad for Louise, she did nothing wrong 😢
Louise did the right thing by leaving, scorning Montespan for her arrogant belief that Louise was so weak as to not want to leave so Montespan could continue to abuse and bully her. If anything, Montespan should have looked to Louise as a warning to what would eventually happen to her, but she didn't.
Louise certainly didn't do anything wrong, and she showed it by living her life as best she could even when she was dogged by guilt. She certainly lived a better life then Montespan by not making any enemies in court outside of simply being the mistress. She caused no scandals. All she wanted was Louis' love, but knew well enough to not cause trouble, even showing her regret towards the Queen.
Like I don't know if age of consent was even a thing back then but the idea of a mother asking a 35 year old to "deflower" their 15 year old son is super disturbing to me
It was completely normal in those times
Same here
That was kinda creepy
Considering people often died around 30, or died very early comparing to now, people married à 13-15 was common, sometimes younger, both for men and women.
Comparing it with the modern era standards would be a mistake.
@@Mindstangleof course you don't, you are literally a child.
The fact that Maintenon wasn't born into wealth and royalty probably gave her the wit and pragmatism to rise to power. What a cool lady. Even though I hate that the king pitted all these women against each other, I'm glad that she was the one who overcame in the end.
Wow! That's the entire series of "Versailles" condensed into half and hour. I love your excellent use of the portraits to keep us on track (since there were so many). I think I will dream of jewels and huge drop pearls, along with flowing silks and hair. So much beauty for one man. Hardly seems fair...
Ironic that his mother was worried about Incest when their family tree is literally a circle 💀
1. Mic drop.
2. Let’s give this individual a round of applause.
Not really the case. The House of Bourbon was far from incestuous, all things considered. The Habsburgs model did not apply in France.
Obviously, there were a few first and second cousins marriages here and there (before Louis XIV), but plenty of marriages with foreign princesses and princes to help renew the DNA.
The Bourbon branch looks pretty healthy, as far as royal trees go.
I’m dead 💀😂😂😂😂😂 though I don’t think it was the case here
@@MrLuchenkov His mother was an Habsburg.
@@visenyatargaryen9130 Aye and there were 1-2 other Habsburgs who came into the Bourbon line like that, but the line itself (the Bourbons) wasn't incestuous and their family tree doesn't make a circle (which is funny but makes no sense) is what I was replying to. The Bourbons didn't marry between uncles and nieces.
I obviously didn't say that their line was a perfectly healthy one; just that as far as royal lines went, they were pretty okay. Things get a bit more iffy as time goes by, but Anne of Austria was the first Habsburg to join the royal Bourbon family at that point.
N.B: It is highly amusing to see a Targaryen discussing incestuous family trees, though. It's good to see experts being brought in.
I am currently studying Barroque architecture, and, ofc, we analysed some rooms of Versailles, and some of Louis’s life. I do feel for his wife, though:’)
Patience of a Saint.
I don't think theirs was a love match, but you never know. She never seemed to complain unless one of the mistresses was out of pocket.
Personally, I'd be super concerned about being transferred pox and syphilis with the revolving door to his bed. Hopefully after she performed her duty, he left her alone lol.
The queen probably had her own affairs, but they probably weren’t recorded, as they were probably kept super secret
Hi queen!❤
@@dacringeyfangirl That's all hearsay because there's no evidence/proof
Kenny Rogers had a saying: " Be nice to the people you meet on the way to the top, for surely you will meet them on your way down from Fame..
I'm absolutely obsessed with late 17th century Versailles, thank you so much for this video!
1:46 I love the way you've integrated this scene from tv series "Versailles" into your narrative ❤️
As an Athénaïs I can testify that you finally said her name correctly (unlike that terrible Versailles series). The Montespan was awful but the most famous woman with my name. She was always the antagonist of all those French young adult novels set in Versailles for teenage girls.
Versailles was an interesting show
@@julianneremley4430 yeah
Terrible? It was good! Sorry it was canceled.
I'd love to see a series on the most celebrated beauties of different centuries/eras!
Same
Only recently found this channel and I’m absolutely obsessed! This is part of my nighttime routine all nights. Your voice is sooo soothing!! Thank you for the amount of work you put in and I love how you talk about this real tea and women and not about wars or only males. And speaking of voice the last part of the commercial you sounded sick..I hope you feel better if you are or were ill!!!
Established Titles is an iffy sponsorship. They've apparently told RUclipsrs the title Lord/Lady can be used on official documents when it cannot. It's the same as the "buying and naming a star after yourself" thing. No official entity would ever recognize it haha. Not to mention I've heard they're disliked by the locals in Scotland, can't remember why, I'd have to look it back up
Some quotes I found interesting after looking up this company and a very similar one named Highland Titles, which works pretty much identically to Established Titles
"The environment sector in Scotland generally does not hold a high opinion of the work carried out by Highland Titles,” an anonymous source at a major Scottish NGO tells Euronews Green. “But their reputation for running to court means that people don’t feel comfortable speaking out.
“Scots with a wider cultural awareness find the whole proposition of selling titles ludicrous and insulting. As you would find with any brief trawl through social media on the subject.”
Director of Highland Titles Douglas Wilson responded to Euronews Green that the company had never been to court about anything. But our off-record conversations with other environmental groups and individuals in Scotland point to the company having a hostile reputation.
It’s easy to understand the company’s high profits. Tree-planting schemes tap into our eco-anxiety; combining such promises with a novelty gift pack is well-tailored to UK, US and Australian consumers. But as we’ve previously reported, it’s important to do the homework on these companies.
Damn so it’s just a trick into buying Scottish land, i already have Scottish blood
It's interesting to hear the history having watched the historical drama Versailles.
The chaos between (straight) Louis, his bi sister in law who he was also sleeping with and his gay brother and the many, many, many lovers is just too much to make sense of in ur head
I bet that 38 yrsold deflowering a 15 yrsold boy thingy played a part….
You should do an episode on the Palatine, Chalotte Elisabeth, the sister in law of Louis XIV, she's a very interesting character, especially in her letters ^^
Her letters make me cackle with laugher- such as her comments on her looks during a cold “a shat on carrot” and speaking about marriage and her giving birth
Is there a particular book you recommend?
She was amazing and the only woman to have the metaphorical balls to turn her back on Louis XIV when he bribed her son into marrying his youngest daughter with Athenaïs. She slapped Philippe and didn't acknowledge Louis when he bowed to her.
Elisabeth Charlotte* not Charlotte Elisabeth.
@@MegCazaletLetters of Princess Palatine !
I am impressed how Louis remembered all mistresses' names.
And the children he had with.
He probably didn’t tho 😂
Thanks for posting Lindsay, I'm so addicted to this 17th century tea!
The French court sounds so much more entertaining then the English one around this time, for real 😂😂😂. What really takes the cake is one mistress unleashing her pet BEARS (like ma’am?? 😭) in the other ones room, straight comedy. Such drama!
French court of Louis XIV must have been wild 😂😂 My poor head wouldn't be able to keep up with the shenanigans of the court
The English court was very interesting at this time, Charles 11 was the reigning monarch, he had as many if not more mistresses than Louis from The Duke of Buckinghams daughter, Barbara Villiers, to cockney actress Nell Gwynne, he also had several illegitimate children, his sister was Henriette of Orleans, Louis sister in law, wife to his brother " Monsieur" I have read countless books about this period of history, Louis the Sun King , wore heels because it was the fashion, the fashion was for the heels to be red, a status symbol,
Much like Cuban heeled boots men wore in the sixties, only heard two lines of this flat voice, monark!! as opposed to monarch, totally clueless.
Thanks!
Could you do a video about the life of madame de pompadour? I always thought she was so fascinating
Me too, especially after watching her doctor who episode
@@laurennicole9169 same here 😀
Its really interesting how she basically ran Versailles for an extended period of times and pushed her enemies aside like dominoes
I really admire Madame La Marquise de Pompadour!!
Perfect timing to enjoy my history moment over a hot cup of tea🍵
I think I've binged like 10 videos since finding this channel over the weekend. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge/skill with us, Lindsay!
I also love running over to tell my parents things I've learned that make them go, "wait really??"
You should do one about the lovers of Charles II of England and Scotland. I believe he got around quite a lot as well
the love of his life was maria mancinis sister, hortense
@@hannahtanski3911 more like "a love of his life"
@@hannahtanski3911 what about Nell
Lindsay! I love your French Accent for the names! 😌
I can’t imagine the stress of knowing your lover could casually cheat on you at any whim. That there are dozens of young ladies - hundreds including non-nobles - constantly throwing themselves at him. I had a friend who dated a famously attractive athlete and though she trusted him, they couldn’t go out in public without having women come up to them and basically proposition him as though she wasn’t sitting right there. They eventually broke up. 😞
Versailles sounds like it would give me panic attacks.
Had a friend that had a gorgeous husband. She was a genuinely nice lady & handled it better than just about anybody I've ever seen. She would allude to it indirectly & just roll her eyes. I loved that, don't know why.
Yesssss I love French history and was hoping you would do some proper videos on it! I just finished rewatching Versailles as well 😇❤️
Have you checked out The Kings of France? 🤔She’s a RUclipsr who goes into detail of the French royal family and other historical figures.😌
Versailles is not historically accurate but it is fun to watch
I want to rewatch it too 😁🙈🫣
@@ChibiProwl I shall take a look! I know a fair bit about Louis XIV, XV and XVI but there’s always more and other figures to learn about!
@@November_892 Some of it is very accurate but definitely not all of it, definitely a brilliant show!
that first mistress story was so fucked up omg
Françoise de Montespan was born Rochechouart de Mortemart one of a oldest aristocratic family of France. She liked to tease the king saying that her family was older than his.
She had the famous Mortemart spirit, madame de Sévigné said of her that:
"To the most surprising beauty, she joined the most lively, the finest, the best cultivated spirit, this hereditary spirit in her family".
Wrong. Montespan's name wss ACTUALLY *Françoise de Rochechouart* "Mortemart" was her father's TITLE. #DONTCopyWikipedia.
@@ThomasHarding1990 I don't need Wiki Something to know that this part of the Rochechouart family was called Rochechouart de Mortemart or simply Rochechouart Mortemart (Mortemart is indeed a title) to show the difference with the eldest branch of the Rochechouart family.
The members of the house of Rochechouart de Mortemart bore this name as Françoise de Rochechouart de Mortemart...
@@ThomasHarding1990de Mortemart was the junior branch of the family (the main one had died out by Montespan’s day). So yes, the family were the Rochechouarts of Mortemart.
I think when the Queen gave the ring to madame de maintenon it, it symbolize that the Queen was giving her blessing to her to marry Louis which I think is very touching
Bein non apparemment elle savait pas la liaison du roi avec Mme de maintenon...
Car figurez vous que le roi gardait à la cour Mme de Montespan après l'affaire des poisons
pour faire paravent aux rumeurs de sa liaison secrète avec Mme de Maintenon.
J'avais lu dans un livre biographique que MarieTherese n'a du coup apprit que quelques semaines avant sa mort la liaison secrète de Maintenon avec le roi et quand elle lui donne l'anneau c'etait avant de savoir
pour juste la remercier de l'avoir réconciliée avec le roi
pas pour lui dire OK tu pourras te marier avec dès que...
Well no apparently she didn't know about the king's affair with Mme de maintenon...
Because imagine that the king kept Madame de Montespan at court after the poison affair
to shield rumors of his secret affair with Madame de Maintenon. So that no one knows that He was really with Maintenon. Only rumors.
I had read in a biographical book on Madame de Maintenon that MarieTherese had only learned a few weeks before her death of Maintenon's secret affair with the king and when she gives her the ring it was before to know and
just to thank her for it
having reconciled with her husband the king!
she didn't know their relation.
Not to tell her : OK you can get married as soon as...
Especially since it was unthinkable and almost impossible for a king to marry a woman below his rank. So the queen can't have just this idea of mariage.
Sorry for the traduction it's Google
Through history and around the world, unfaithfulness from Royals is such a consistent topic I can only Imagine how many people actually have royal blood and are totally unaware of being of being somewhat/somehow royals.
Everyone
I love watching your videos. I have learned a hundred times more from you and your history Channel then I have ever learned in school in any history or class.
He definitely had a type because they all resemble each other
I guess it's the standard way of painting they had back then
Wow...his mother must have felt that she "cured" her son... lol!
Funnily enough, she worried that Louis was gay, but encouraged his brother Philippe to be effeminated and gay. Because she felt that a gay feminine brother will be less of a threat ^^'
I guess he really was either indeed CURED or probably
he might not have ever really needed that maybe it’s his younger brother that needed that well maybe🤔
Honestly I love your videos Lindsey they are educational and entertaining at the same time 🥰🥰🥰
Great video! I think it would be hard to be a royal mistress because you know that your wealth and Status depends on on the favor of the king, but you also know that the king's interest will fade eventually.
I hope you do Charles II and his girls soon. And the genealogical connection between him and William through Diana.
Also Camilla and Sarah Ferguson.
He was a most flamboyant king
20:30 An explanation: Isabelle was from the contested region of Lorraine/Lotringen between France and the German States. My guess is she spoke French with a German accent. But then so did the Princess Palatinate Elizabeth Charlotte, the sister-in-law to Louis XIV.
You mean *EliSabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate, Princess Palatine* #DONTCopyWikipedia.
Didn't Established Titles turn out to be a major scam? Saw it on The Click
I was about to ask why some of the illegitimate children were legitimized, while others were not. But it seems you will answer that in the next video. Must have been incredibly frustrating for those who were not.
"...she enjoyed the privilege of giving the Queen Mother her regular enema's". The dead pan delivery almost made me believe she DID enjoy it. LOL
Idk why people find history boring
Just look at all this TEA 🍵
Did anyone else notice how much the queen of Portugal looks exactly like the portrait of Kathryn Howard?
Oh it does!!
26:16 Wow, virtually identical!
Omg!!! 😱 this needs its own video!
What I understood from the documentaries is that men back then specially kings had to have mistresses. Having mistresses was a sign of virility and masculinity.
Yay I’m so glad you posted! I’ve been rewatching old videos and needed something new to have on repeat every night 😅
Great vlog as always! I lost Louis 14th and his lovers at the bakery. Mamma Mia! What a jungle of lovers, nannies and drama! That is a town in Greece btw. I can not even get ONE misstress… I am no king. It could be the reason… lol! Keep up your splendid work!
Catherine de Gramont's personality and backstory are perfect for nowdays historical shows.
I hope your feeling ok Lindsay, during the ad it sounded like you were struggling to speak. Thank you for the video but get better soon as the weather changes here in Canada!
Thanks! Almost over laryngitis
Shes getting of age sadly.
@@Jason.cbr1000rr what a rude thing to say it's just laryngitis. So rude I think same or commenting something and saying someone is getting old is so fucking rude
What a Viper’s nest Versailles was.
Any place you have money & power there will be drama.
The English court had Henry viii & you know how THAT went.
It was a semi-insult at the time probably but man, The Grand She-Wolf is a GREAT nickname.
Happy to hear that the reforestation idea is going so well, esp since the airport personnel, have all stopped laughing! Great idea esp for those of 'low self-esteem'. Seriously though, glad that more attention is being given to support the health of the planet that supports us all!
Imaging having such a tremulous affair with Louis XIV that you retire to a nunnery to live out the rest of your life contemplating your affair and regretting it
Mm yes, to be so privileged enough to give the queen mother her regular enemas, can’t say I envy that😭
Kings in England used to have a "groom of the stool" (meaning toilet) for.botty-wiping and similar functions.
Being allowed to be that intimately close to a person when they are vulnerable like that indicates great trust from the monarch.
Grooms.of the Stool were very influential, and well rewarded for their pains, and so the position was very sought after.
@@lilymarinovic1644 yes I heard of the position of groom of the stool. And I can't say no matter how much privilege or anything I would get in the world I would not want to be wiping some guys butt. That's nasty
Not my idea of a good time. Repeat after me:For the love of God, eat some fruit!
@@nobodysbaby5048 to be fair, medical science of the he time thought too much raw fruit and veg was bad for.ypur health. After all, it was what peasants ate and they dropped like flies.
Not knowing about germ theory, of course they didnt know you had to wash the stuff first. Plus that the dysentery plague and other infections that knocked off most of the peasantry were usually not connected with their fruit and veg consumption.
Louise's story always make me sad :(
Hey, I really enjoy your content and I think you are a really good creator so I should warn you. Don't work with established titles. These titles aren't really given to anyone and you don't really own anything, it's like buying a star. It doesn't actually give you any right to use the title. There wouldn't be anything wrong with it if they were transparent about it. Plus there is no information about how much money goes to planting trees vs to the pockets of company's owner. I almost bought it for my brother. It's a waste of money...
Yay! Thank you so much for this video, it's something I really wanted to see!
Oh my gosh You make such good videos I have been a fan for 4 years😍
YESSSS I HAVE BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME FOR THIS!!!!
They make Peyton Place look tame. In modern times, Louis XIV would be understood as a predator of Underage girls.
I should think it be hard to be a courtesan in this court since king Louie the 14th seemed more in love with himself than any lady in his service
Luckily, I was not one of his mistress for three reasons.
1. I’m black
2. I was born in the early 2000s
3. I’m American
You are lucky dear, he could infect you with STDs and yuck 🤢 what smelly man he could be they never bathed at Versailles
Me too. And on top of that I’m like a foot taller than him, so that’s a long way to travel for a kiss
@@shostysboo short, smelly potential disease carrier ( not proper condoms and protection this era) hmm how women went all crazy about him OHHH I forgot.. king!!
Fun fact : it might have been possible as Louis XIV is suspected to be the father of "la mauresse de moret" a nun famous for having the favor of the king and for being black :)
However seeing as he died some time ago you indeed are not able to be one of his mistress
Sadly, race/ethnicity wouldn't save Sally Hemmings from such a fate.
The French Kings have always been known for their countless mistresses and illegitimate children, especially the Bourbons, Henri IV, his grandson Louis XIV, and Louis XV, the great-grandson of Louis XIV. These were the French Bourbons who had the most affairs with several mistresses. It would be interesting to have videos about Henri IV and Louis XV of France about their various mistresses and illegitimate children
I saw reports that Established Titles could be a scam...is this true? Love your content
Yes avoid at all costs
Surprisingly historically correct. I'm grateful you've mentioned La Voisin and her involvement in black masses and child sacrifice
I’ve been waiting for this!!!!!! Yessss!!!!!
A perfect Tuesday evening treat!
Hey there! I enjoy your videos and watch them every Tuesday. I wanted to let you know that established titles is actually not a reputable business. I just wanted to let you know about it and let you do research on it. I noticed you rep them a lot as promoters, I just wanted to make sure you were aware of the scam going on with it. There are several videos on RUclips about it lately. I just wanted to let you know! I really do enjoy your videos and hope you continue to make such great content!!!
They should make a tv show on the lives of the Mancini sisters !
I feel like Im watching a very intense reality show but the 17th Century 😵💫
This King seems better then king Henry at least he didn't behead any of his wives or mistresses.
Elizabeth-Charlotte (Lisolette) knew how to throw (German) shade.
its so cool being early! great video as always Lindsey :)
Listening to these videos, I have come to realise that I live a boring and uneventful life. I want to keep it that way.
I have waited a lot for this topic.
Great episode, can't wait for the next one!
I’m upset that the TV series “Versailles” portrayed Madame de Maintenon the way they did. If they portrayed her as she historically was (and maybe didn’t go with the “man in the iron mask” narrative the way they did), they could’ve had a fourth season if they wanted to.
Being a mistress was the greatest position for a woman back then.
Being a wife was not bad either XD
Like, there's a lot of talks about Louis's mistresses, but his wife had more power than any of the mistresses while she was alive and helped him a lot with France itself ^^
Depends on who's mistress they were if they were the king's mistress then it's great if not then not really
@@iezzan7034 A count or a duke's mistress was not bad either, if they're not married to another more powerful man. A miller's mistress, yeah that's not a good position XD
Louis XIV was indeed lucky to have been born before the outbreak of AIDS.
He certainly had syphilis to worry about
They did have syphilis though back then, so definitely not risk free...
@@melaniereine3378 Yes, and no cure, so an early death sentence.
@@melaniereine3378 Agree when I saw that comment I was like there were and still are other std's out their.
There must have been a lot of itchy crotches at Versailles, though.
Now we need a video on Louis XIV brother's (male) lovers.
Or Louis XV's mistresses - he very much carried on in the tradition of this Louis.
@@lilymarinovic1644 I meen Madam de Pompadour could get an episode of her own. Oddly enougth the King who probably had wrong his wife the least Louis XVI, is the the remebered as a tyrant, preatty crazy to think than with a grandfather and a great granfather like that he could not bring himself to consumate his blessed union with Marie Antoniette for whatever reason.
No we don't.
@@algini12 Why not?
@@nuotatorre8741 Great great grandfather. And apparently, he did tried tp consumate his union, the problem was a malformation of the penis, he had to be operated ^^'
But yeah, Louis XVI has a lot less mistresses than his two predecessors XD
Sadly I feel like most men even in contemporary history if given the chance would have many mistresses
many/most I bet would deny it
Louis XIV is my favorite king. Can't wait to watch this!
Not really. He persecuted protestants
That was not what I learnt about Marie Mancini at all from academic papers and books. I never liked medieval portraits (too "fluffy" for my taste) but her portrait was the one and only I ever thought as beautiful. Like real beautiful. Not sure it was just because Ferdinand's (the painter) style, he painted Hortense as well and I was only 'ok' with that one. She was Louis' 1st love and personally I think their separation by the Queen and Cardinal marked his coming of age and realization that great power always followed by great pain. They lived long and die only a few months a part, kinda makes me wanna believe that in the end, these 2 always love each other and Louis died heartbroken after hearing Marie's death. Anyway, that was all just my personal opinion.
"Sire, I am leaving and you weep, and yet you are king."
This is well after the medieval period.
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Boom! So that's where "stupid as a basket" comes from -- I've heard historians use that phrase to refer to later mistress Madame du Barry, and here's the genesis of it, from the primary accounts of an earlier relative of the King.
Now you know you're bad (Marquise de Montespan)when your goons are bears.
I commented this on an older video then realized you may not read older ones so I apologize this is a duplicate:
What program do you use to make these beautiful family trees? I'd love to make one of my own extended family
Adobe Indesign
You may want to check into the company there is a problem with at least on company who promised plots of land and totals with people by you.
Anyone else want to see a mini series about Guy Armand and his polygamous love affair with the Duke and Duchess?
Yes. I'd watch ten seasons. What a fucking legend. How many couples did he pull these shenanigans with that wasn't recorded??
Yes!! Ha ha
Excellent presentation as usual but I still got lost😮 😂
Maintenon (the 2nd wife) won. The rest were just mistresses.
This is partly unrelated to the video but the portrait of queen Marie Francoise at 26:17 looks a LOT like “Portrait of a Young Woman” by Hans Holbein the younger that’s thought to be Katherine Howard!! am I being stupid or does anyone know why this is?