Possible Witness Tampering in Obsessed Ex-Boyfriend Murder Trial?
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2023
- #BREAKING: Did the defendant try to communicate with his daughter as she testified against him in the #ObsessedExBoyfriendMurderTrial? The Prosecution cited a video on #CourtTV that they say shows Zachariah Anderson trying to tamper with a witness on the stand.
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How about the lip sync facial expressions DA Michael Graveley has done this entire trial as if he is trying to influence witness testimony?
Totally disagree with Court TV anchor, Michael A. - this judge is NOT doing a great job!
Where can I watch the defense closing ?
Zach should move on, and Rosalio should date a Single Lady. I just don't know what to say, about some men and some women too.
Poor kid, they should have taken her testimony without parents in the court room
Both parents are there
Yes, that’s why I said without the parents
@@pickleeevee6934 Kat Brown said parents, not parent
Yeah but this way they show proof of what monsters they are .
They can’t do it without him in there! If they did he would have an immediate appeal opportunity because it violates his 6th amendment right to face his accuser and due process! It’s similar to Erika stefanko getting a retrial!! It was telling that he didn’t want to go back with the attorneys to watch the review!
Minors should always be allowed to present their testimony from behind a privacy screen, so that no matter who has called them ( defence/prosecution), they are unseen by the accused.
I agree. I'm sure it adds to the trauma and is frightening. I sat on a jury for a csa case and the little girl victim had to testify in front of her abuser and we had to recess several times because she couldn't even begin to speak without crying. All of us jurors were crying. It was awful seeing her struggle like that. A deputy in the courtroom gave her his badge to hold for comfort while she testified and it worked.
In certain situations, they can testify via CCTV
I was creeped out by his unblinking stare at her when she was testifying.
so you have only observed him other than that one time? look at him throughout the trial. not fast blinking like a stripper wearing false eyelashes does not a murderer make.
...well yeah, along with multipleof us we have been observing him other than that once with his daughter .. not only the non blinking stare but the slight curled lip along with multiple other novice body language ques is pretty unsettling. Im 1000% not saying hes guilty or not bc not all facts are in but being a daddy's girl, myself,If my father stared at my as he did to his daughter it would scare the piss outta me. And this is coming from someone neutral God's honest truth!
I literally thought the screen was frozen until noticing the headlines scrolling at the bottom
I thought the screen was frozen
Yep lip was odd as well
Here in Ireland all children under eighteen give evidence from another room in the court while accompanied by a support court officer, this behavior in this trial is scandalous and the judge is NOT protecting the minor child
Seems like the Judge is somewhat aloof to what's going on his his court 🙄
Totally agree, same in Australia
Here in the states we have some law saying defendants have the right to look their accusers in the eye. It's ridiculous and outdated and should definitely be changed in cases involving minors
@@Kiraiko44 Our Constitution is never outdated.
@@lmcp1038 in Australia you guys put the accused in a box like an animal....
I agree. He’s staring at her so intently that it’s disturbing!!
This gesture is soooo obvious. He intimated the witness. 💯
indicating to her to button up her mouth when she was f bombing the judge 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Maybe it was after we all heard the daughter swearing at the defense attorney ? "I was answering your f**king question"
@@missmariss5037 There you go
he was telling her to be quiet, as she kept looking at him, asking him stuff. he was actually protecting her. but once again, court tv spreads grade a bullcrap.
@terracedweller1 no he wasn't she's a key witness in this case he's trying to get her from talking anything she says can be used against him
She’s trying to blame the daughter for his intimidating behavior in court! Unbelievable. He should be reprimanded for this and he should not have been allowed to sit in room while she was testifying. Defense is disgusting
How about the lip sync facial expressions DA Michael Graveley has done this entire trial as if he is trying to influence witness testimony?
@@robertlawrence9000yeah I find both parties are not acting in good faith. This trial should be a mistrial. It’s a mess.
I saw the DA mouthing exactly what the Daughter was saying, word for word. That Daughter was so coached, it's shameful!
@@cherriefetterly783 okay. I missed a lot today. Thanks for the update!
And not just with the daughter. He’s done it with others.
The father absolutely was telling her not to tell something. Not only does his face tense, then he puts fingers to mouth in motion to closing the lips!!
I grew up that way. Years later, I realize how unhealthy and manipulative it was. It’s not simple, ans she will spend her life trying to work through all the passive trauma
Yes
your not alone
Should a daughter be testifing about the father in the same room, being him the defendent ? I don't think so.
I completely agree!
She did such a fantastic job and she’s so brave
yeah....she should be in like a zoom mode! Video conference!
Defendant has the right to be present to all testimony regardless of who it is.
Well, he has a constitutional right to face accusers, so there is that....
Am I the only one who thinks judge is getting close to being senile? I have not watched much of this trial to be honest. But what I did see was alarming.
He is absolutely inappropriate. This judge is horrific. How dare he make light of anything. His TIE? wtf
Did you watch the Rittenhouse trial??
He has all his faculties and knows Wisconsin law well,
I thought he should have retired back in the Rittenhouse trial.
Whatever look at the president 😊 America is the pit hole of mental health ❤
This is becoming a circus. Problem is there is no authority being taken to control the court room by the person who should be.
Agreed. He just goes into Story Mode and allows the madness to continue.
A very slow circus; no respect for the victim and family😢
This trial is hilarious 😂
He is too old and sounds like he has Covid!
Judge needs to retire asap !
This is why it is important to film inside courtrooms.
I agree!
I think every court proceeding should be video'd. Would cut down on corruption & unfair convictions as well.
the fact that she didnt want to say the bad name her dad called the victim in front of his mother, such a kind trial
Why could they just record a deposition with her and play that in court instead of making her testify, which can be traumatizing for the child. It would accomplish the exact same thing and she wouldn't even have to be in the courtroom.
Ridiculous behaviour here. What a waste of time, no respect for the court
That disgusting excuse for a father was most definitely trying to tell his daughter to stop talking. It’s very evident
It’s unconscionable to blame a child, I can guarantee you this child doesn’t want to be here especially being prodded by the defense attorney. The defense attorney pushed the envelope today and look how the day ended. Smh!
Lol. She's old enough to take blame.
This is a girl that’s been coached by a controlling mother. She’s even snippy like her on the stand.
@@Thebeautiful11 not in these circumstances she is not. Stealing something yes but she is in a deplorable situation. She is stuck between her parents affairs. She is far too young for that. She should be wrapped in love from both parents and be kept out of this murder case because she is still a minor. 😮
@Thebeautiful11 excuse me what??? Do you also blame rape victims?
@@Thebeautiful11 wow you are really a piece of work. Fan of this jail bird?
A loving relationship?!? You must be kidding. The dad controlled her, ask her to lie and threatened her with a gun
In Scotland under 16s are filmed in a separate room.
I was on a child rape case in California. When the 2 victems, who were about 5-7 during the crimes testified, a curtain was put up so they couldnt see the defendant. The jury could see everything though. They were about 15 or 16 during the trial.
As a 9 year old, I testified in person on the stand.
Constitution means that the Defendant in the US has the right to face their accuser.
@@DoncasterLass This child is a witness, not his accuser.
Did anyone else notice the previous video when the daughter while testifying...switched from "my father" or "my dad"...to "The Defendant"...when referring to HIM. The look on "dad's" face was priceless when he heard her call him that noun. He didn't like it. What a horrible human being he IS. He messed with the kids' heads, his wife's head...and murdered the boyfriend. What a despicable being.
Leave her alone. She doesn't have to 'take sides', let her tell the truth. She's very brave
Protect the child and put a screen around her so she doesn’t need to see anyone but the judge!!
Oh yes! Glad you called it out. The defendant is absolutely trying to intimidate his daughter
Time to retire, Judge.
This is unbelievable.
Poor kid has to live through this
She sounds like mouthy brat. Her mom seems the same way by her text messages.
She’s a brat
Leave it to state appointed prosecutors to put her on the stand,to endure this hell
It was very obvious to me the defendent put two fingers up to his lips telling the child to shut up. What the hell is wrong with this judge??
This judge has me wondering about his ability to be impartial.
Something is definitely wrong with the judge
O.A. if you ever read this, please don't feel like YOU did anything wrong. This is a really hard situation for you, with it being your Dad and knowing the world is watching. Don't pay attention to the noise- people online love to judge and they have no idea what you and your Mom have been through. I'm sorry they tried to turn this around on you and your Mom.
No child should have to deal with this!!! You did the best you could. 💜👏
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bull crap. wait until the real story comes out.
The judge has no control over this courtroom. He seems confused and lost.
At one point he didn’t know where his jury was. He forgets if he gave rulings and takes a whole life story to get there. It’s amazing he’s still a Judge 😂
He seems bored, passive and enable-y. I snorted when he said the matter is continuing to be scrutinised. What a joke.
I didn’t like the way he was staring at her. He barely blinked. It was unsettling to me.
It absolutely looked like he was trying to reach her with those eyes.
huh? that is just how he is. look at old videos. he has not done anything different throughout the whole trial. When she first went on the stand he was smiling from ear to ear - until she started to tell great big porky pies, contradicting her mothers testimony and also admitting she herself tracked her mother.
I agree, it was super creepy! It seemed like he was desperately trying to connect with her telepathically.
@@DoncasterLass you writing him jailhouse love letters yet? You are exactly the type.
Yes, he was trying to intimidate/scare her so she doesn’t tell them what he made her do, bc he knows he looks like a bad parent for manipulating her to go with him & doing devious/stalking issues with her mom, that’s just nasty & evil, bc I know someone who’s dad used his 2 girls as pawns or flying monkeys, so that when they were on their days with their mom, they needed to tell him everything she was doing, so he could use it against her in court, it’s sad. The court she is going thru is in WI also, but not where they’re & the court system there wouldn’t do anything to him & she had 5 lawyers & none of them would do their job for her. Her daughter is scared of him & doesn’t want to see him & wants her mom to get full custody & she can’t get it at all, bc no matter if they’re abusive they say that the kids need to have there dad in there lives, but not if the kid doesn’t want to see him & she has expressed it to the GAL & they wouldn’t let her speak or listen to what her mom said she wanted, it is just disgusting how it turned to make her mom look bad & theres been 22 other women or more now that have been thru the same situation & went up together to get something done to this court system but no one will help them so sad,
@@AshMc1970 that’s exactly how I saw it too.
It absolutely was not a good relationship with the dad. I’m guessing you did not watch her testimony to the fullest. He groomed her, controlled her and threaten her with a gun. She kept so much from the cops, lawyers and mom in the beginning because she was scared and traumatized. Sometimes the guests on her blow my mind. 🤯
According to her testimony the dad threatened her with a gun
Yeah. These analysts are such lawyers. Ew. No regard for the psychological piece of all this. Or if they have it, it's all "Oh I love that they showed the grey. It's not all black and white." Meaning what? We don't dare make up our minds about this man's intentions? Please. His mask has been well and truly ripped off.
and she completely lied through her teeth about a lot. did you not hear she stole phones and tracked her own mother. i have the theory she hated junior, she told her dad stories and he decided to investigate him. and she used that buzz word groomed, which implies a lot more than control. and we only have her word about the gun. why did her mother never bring it up? wasn't that the very best excuse for him never to see his kids again? why did mom never report him for that to the cops? because it never happened?
@@DoncasterLass Wow.
@@DoncasterLass exactly
Has the judge addressed this? He said he had been watching everyone and that he would….but he missed this I believe. Anyone know if the judge has done anything yet?
it was brought to judges attention, along with mom using sign language. he issued an order for both the mom and Zach to stay silent (unless zach needs to speak with his lawyers) and not gesture throughout the remainder of the trial.
His attorneys are imbeciles. She’s salty that she was told what up by a child and she’s trying to blame the kid.
The part where r the daughter was answering the defense attorney’s question n the the attorney turned to the dad ignoring her answer cause she didn’t like it n talking over her was so disrespectful. The judge should’ve called her out on that. That woman is nasty n plays fake nice. Her n the dad probably bang on bathroom breaks. She’s a b. Prob insecure too because of her face but she takes it out on everyone. So off putting. I actually didn’t watch this trial after opening cause she was so gross.
@@Ksizzle316 I think she is kind of sexy . Don’t tell my wife .
Creepy guy when I was listening to his daughter testify he was doing his best to intimidate her staring at her
The Judge is waffling all over the place. For goodness sake!
Innocent men and women don’t do that to their children. Especially after he made her stalk, manipulate, and track her own mother and her bf.
"did they (court TV) mention my tie?"🙃😔
there's a time and place for light hearted gibber , i feel like a murder trial isn't the best time
That despicable father has been staring down his daughter the whole time.
It's always a problem when the child is put on to testify about parents when the parents are right there. Possibly the parents should have been removed from the room or maybe the child b e deposed in private with attorneys there and then play the deposition for her testimony, just a suggestion. However really it's a mistrial again but respect to the judge for trying to sort it out
You can't take his constitutional right away.
If I were a child I definitely would feel intimated by my father staring me down. Especially knowing he was able to kill someone. You heard her say When he woke her and boys up in the middle of the night at moms house. She like any child, listened to him because he was the parent. Even at her mother's house in the middle of the night. A child is going to obey parents. Similar to children who are separated from parents and parent shows up at a park etc and says come with me. The child wouldn't know any better even if the parent was removed for being abusive or addict
She did an amazing job on the stand. She’s so brave.
she contradicted her own mothers evidence and also admitted to tracking her. she is not brave. she was a jealous girl who was happy to go along with her dad at not liking him. and for good reason. Junior owes money to his own children and thousands to his business partner. he took drugs and was a player as far as women go. He is probably hiding someone on a Mexico beach, hiding from his troubles.
She was a disrespectful brat!
How dare this father involve his daughter in his spying the children's mother. He's a major CREEP
He made a gesture that implied shut up. Similar to what moms do when their kids are yelling for them when they are on the phone.
Watching from the 🇬🇧, I’m absolutely disgusted this child has not had more protection. This child sounds very intellectual, shes very clear on what went on. It’s completely obvious the father was telling her to keep quite, this judge is on another plant!
Absolutely. Father was putting two fingers up to his lips as to tell the child to shut up.
She should have been giving evidence from another room by video where she can only see lawyer asking questions and judge in most cases it will be done like this in Australia as a child is a vulnerable witness and can be intimidated
I wholeheartedly agree. I am also from Australia and had to testify as a minor. I didn’t have to step one foot in the courtroom. I couldn’t have done it otherwise. This young lady is incredibly brave.
Court TV I wish you we’re filming this trial live.
Law and Crime Network, have watched the trial everyday!
Sorry but I'm not a fan of this judge
I think he has some medical issues and needs to retire I mean honestly how old is he ?? Florida voted to keep him there 😂
Although I do not like the defense attorney, she must have been so upset with this video showing ZA making a sign to his daughter when she was testifying... she is working very hard to get this man "not guilty" (I am personally convinced he is) but he totally disrespected his own attorney and the Judge with such behavior... he is an idiot and a murderer and not to forget a liar
This judge is so poor. It was clear witness intimidation from the defendant to the daughter. The judge couldn’t care less, he never seems to have control of his courtroom.
HE did not have control of his own phone in the rittenhouse trial ...the TRUMPER !
🤣🤣🤣🤣
As her mothers sending cues via sign language from the gallery…..and the slimy DA is mouthing answers as she testifies like he did with the jailhouse snitch ‘die,die,die!
I think the judge has seen his better days . Lol😊
Agree
And to continue to traumatize your child. Poor young girl to be exposed to peoples dysfunction Can’t her parents grow up. Poor girl will never want to date or become an adult. I wish the daughter well and to stay away from her mother and never forgive her father
Still trying to blame it on mom and daughter.....WOW
There’s a simple fix for this. Remove the minor child, allow her to testify from a nearby courtroom via video and be done with it. Darrell Brooks was removed multiple times as he was a disruption and was STILL allowed the opportunity to participate. This borders on abuse and manipulation of that child, only furthering her trauma. If we give these rights to convicted murderers as they did with Brooks, then the law should absolutely allow it for a minor child who is just a victim in all of this. Horrendous.
In most other countries, she would have been in another room or screened off from him.
wow sounds like the defense just opened a can of worms asking about the gun
they didn't. The State did. The Defence was just forced to ask on re-cross more questions about where she saw the gun and then had to ask a further question when the daughter said it was at his home. It was when the Judge and the Defence tried to calm her down when she said it had nothing to do with this case that she decided to throw a strop and shout out that someone threatened her with the gun. She never even said it was her dad or what the threat was. it was then she was removed from the court to speak with an attorney.
Common sense would tell you it was the dad
@@DoncasterLass the defense was not "forced" to ask anything - poor choice by the defense.
@@phildeslip728 if that is what the jury is thinking then they are disregarding the instruction by the judge.
@@DoncasterLass I've read a lot of your comments, you're right on.
This is a mistrial in the making.
Jury is tainted.
That's what the defense want from the start
@@stubut100 Well of course, if you were in that position wouldn't you?
This judge has no control of his courtroom. where’s judge newman ???
Or the pretty one who done the parkland peado murderer
Exactly. Ridiculous judge
Oh please 🙄 That judge was biased towards that state from the get go.
@@gmimi2 bias? he did all he could to keep out stuff but the defense kept opening the doors. The defense was terrible. 😂
This afternoon, they accused mother of sign language to daughter! Crazy trial.
With no proof.
There is no video of mother signing to the daughter.
Just gossip from his family.
This guy is OBVIOUSLY signaling to his poor daughter to “zip/button her lip”. This is the most ridiculously blatant witness tampering. As if he hasn’t manipulated the child enough-taking her out at 3-4 a.m. on her own mother. Talk about coercive control.
I have no use for this judge. He severely screwed up the Rittenhouse trial. Rittenhouse should be in prison.
Whay on earth is the judge doing. He can't string one sentence together. I think there's more than just coffee in his mug. And to make a joke about his tie is so inappropriate.
CourtTV always in the mix!
The juvenile is being abused and traumatized all over again.
What I want to know is where did this judge come from he acts very unprofessional and flippant and very unbecoming.
That much control is demanded of this dude. Had the romantic interest of his ex not turned up missing, eventually this dude would have killed the ex, his own kid and anyone else he deluded himself into thinking was "in the way."
The judge needs to protect the juvenile witness! Good gawd!
She did great. Poor kid.
piss poor, lobbing the f bomb at the judge and snapping back at him. yeh. great role model.
Poor kid! A spoiled brat is what she is with no respect. A preppy teen groomed by her sleezy mother.
Don't need a sign language expert to know what the defendant is trying to convey. It's not like that's a normal gesture especially in court. It's going to be even more traumatic long term having to remember his stares during her testimony let alone on top of what she went through. Though she is a tough girl, that still is not right to put her through this.
This judge is horrendus. He should not be on the bench.
As far as the interaction - the defendant is in court. He needs to grow up.
Twice the defendant made 2 separate attempts to make instructions to his daughter and your cameras caught both I recorded your stream today and I have just watched both attempts I pray the judge asks you or the prosecution asks for your help and the video evidence of the defendant doing this of this that's proof of the 2 separate attempts of intimidating a witness. Thank you Court TV. EDIT if you watch onwards from that time everyone on the defendant's bench Inc the defendant gets very jittery.
hope State DA is also reported to the judge for mouthing answers to his witnesses numerous times. He is as dirty as f**k
What time do you know ?
@@DoncasterLass he also did that with the jailhouse snitch…mouthing die, die, die! Why are people so tunnel visioned against the defence. The DA is a crooked piece of slime…the boss of Binger from the Rittenhouse trial. The rotten apple doesn’t fall far from the tree!
@melodie shimon it was court time between 6.46:24 and 6.48:16 when Nichole Muller was pushing her about the unregistered gun coming back tk Wisconsin from California. I think you might have seen the first time where as he pushed his lips together ask say be quite but his defence team managed to throw her mum in the mix and make it her fault .I'm sorry I don't have a time for that as I was watching via RUclips. Hope that helps but he definitely fell to pieces and was trying to shut up the witness or make eye contact with his attorney. There's another big story surrounding that unregistered gun .
@@Megs108 hi what is the video called and where can i see it? ive just come across this case. that poor child :(
Everyone in this case and courtroom are immature and incompetent.
She’s a 14 year old CHILD and this idiot woman on defence thinks it’s okay to go tit for tat over who or who may not be pulling faces. She’s 14 for God’s sake it’s got to be hard enough giving giving evidence at her age especially against her own father.
"If" the daughter did this, I would think that the defense would have brought the objection at that time and not after the fact when there is clear video of the father intimidating the daughter.
Oh my goodness 🤦🏽♀️.. the Defense is trying to hide the FACT that the Defendant clearly put his hands over his lips signifying to his daughter NOT TO TALK👀..lets get back to business.
probably because she was f bombing and shouting back at the judge. he was just telling her to button it and to calm down, as her mother also admitted she tried to do.
@@DoncasterLass Wait until the proper file with audio is supplied to the court and they can hear the context at the time he made the gesture before you say what it was
@@DoncasterLass
😮 You are lying.
Zach's a very sick individual!!
What’s wrong with the judge? 🤔
This Judge...🤢
Hahaha this aged well. "The daughter is smiling at her dad". "Yeah well we have video of you mouthing testimony to your witness". Checkmate much 🙄
The daughter refers to her dad as the “defendant”. No doubt this frosts daddy-o. Courageous teen.
Just one time. Others was "dad" stop reaching
That's an indication of how much she has been coached ...
she was told to call her dad defendant .
@Light House Psych you're exactly right... She doesn't have to worry about going home to her dad after she testifies but she does have to worry about how her mom feels about her testimony, it's so coached it's sad.
@@delorisjones7729 shortly after the prosecutor said he would be referring to him as the defendant, the daughter called him that a few times. Doesn't mean coached. But, of course they had talked to her prior to testifying. You never throw any witness on the stand without talking to them. And she's 14, of course they would talk to her in advance. Nothing to see here
They r going to fool around and this judge is going to declare a mistrial. The tomfoolery needs to stop!
They should get another judge and jury
Oh my this Judge has a totally different temperament than during Rittenhouse case
Why wouldn’t you guys just give the original footage?
"I'm watching everything" so says the judge and in the same breath he couldn't see the defendant. At that same point he didn't see the lip pinch. I'm tired of this shitty world
Absolutely. She loves her dad, and had been out in a horrible position.
The judge has a great sense of humor….the others….. 🤦🏼♀️
I would imagine the families don’t want laughter over this case. This trial is a circus and should’ve been deemed a mistrial by now.
@@mollycuddle9990May I ask where you obtained your armchair law degree from in order to claim that this should have been “deemed a mistrial by now…”
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@@lottie8970 nope
@@mollycuddle9990 Again.. when did you get your law degree?!
@Sheila Keenan well said
The judges laugh is so annoying! And his joke about his tie is so out of place!! 🙄🙄
This female lawyer is just sooo.....ugh
The defence attorney she is gorgeous 🤔
Omg she is ugh. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The defense attorney is not beholden to beauty based on her condescending entitled attitude. Ugh
yeh, State DAs lawyer is sooooo..... ugh.
Give the judge an opportunity to speak. I would have to put those attorneys in notice! Decorum!
This judge should retire by now he is the worst judge I ever saw on the bench
These 2 lawyers don't sound authentic to me. The daughters experience with her dad is an extremely manipulative and controlling toxic relationship.
How terrible that this loser father touches his lips directly to his young daughter to not say anything more. She is under oath and she is nervous enough.
Just come in on this trial and hadn’t heard anything about it as the Murdaugh trial is what I’ve been watching but after viewing 5 minutes the father stares and can’t seem to take his eyes off of his daughter and it’s really creepy.
So did they ever show what was being said when he told her to zip her lips?
UUgh. THIS JUDGE
"Did they comment on my tie?" lol...
He’s attempting to tamper with her it’s obvious. This judge is a tool
No ! This Jugd is a Joke
We all know he killed that man ......he's guilty
The trial is still ongoing, the defense has not presented their case, so no, we do not know he's guilty.
@Kim Well I know he's guilty... I use "common sense"
@@TheTruth-kh2im LOL use "common sense" all you want, I'll stick to facts, the law and constitutional rights. Have a good day.
@@gmimi2 Well you could stick to that also if you want but we all know he did it
@@TheTruth-kh2im No YOU think, you can NOT speak for ALL like you're trying to do LMAO
What about the prosecutor mouthing die, die , die to the criminal on the stand?????
Yes!! It's so funny how people jump on a bandwagon and completely ignore the coaching on the other side.. it was apparent that the daughter was sticking to the coached testimony and wouldn't have listen to anything her dad was doing.. I swear it seems people aren't even watching the same trial as me lol
A weed grower does not a murderer make...