Max's explanation is simple and clear. Mayweather has accomplished something he's supposed to accomplish given his talent. A true champion. Pacquiao has accomplished something we will never see again. A true legend.
J Smith I understand that point of view. But just think, what’s more impressive, a 200lb man benching 300lbs 50/50 times and never failing, or a 120 lb man benching 300lbs 61/70 times. There’s arguments for both sides 🤷🏽♂️
@@isaacsoto8119 _This is a long one. So I hope that you're capable of reading through it if you want 100% honesty and accuracy._ Here's the thing: Your analysis is based on misinformation. Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are relatively the same size. Floyd is 2 years older and went to the Olympics. Manny Pacquiao did not go to the Olympics and turned pro at a younger age than Floyd did. What does that all mean? It means that Pacquiao appeared smaller because he turned pro at a younger age while his body had not grown to its current size. Floyd is *NOT* a true 147lbs fighter(despite him having the skill to reign as a 154lb lineal champion). Floyd is at best a 130-135lbs fighter who simply had the skills to do what he did. Manny is no different. Manny had the speed and stamina to do what he did. The difference is that Pacquiao *NEEDED* the catchweights and weight rehydration clauses to accomplish what Floyd did *WITHOUT* them. Manny Pacquiao's career has been carefully packaged and sold as some little guy who came up and beat the bigger guys. That's only partially true. Manny definitely came up and won. Just not against guys that were bigger and healthy. What's not reflected is that at the same age, Mayweather was the same size as Pacquiao. As they grew, they were in different places in their careers. Floyd had grown during his amateur career and so when he debuted in his pro career, he was larger than Pacquiao and therefore he did not compete i as many divisions as Pacquiao. But that's simply semantics .. especially when one considers that Pacquiao had been KO'd twice during those years. The entire basis for Kellerman attempting to compare two very different fighters is the *number of divisions that Pacquiao has competed in.* That's literally the ONLY aspect that Kellerman could hope to cite when making his ridiculous argument that quantity trumps quality. The number of divisions that one competes in is hardly the metric by which greatness would be measured .. especially in light of the fact that *Pacquiao wasn't dominant in many of them.* Pacquiao simply won fights against *SPECIFIC BRAND NAME FIGHTERS* to lay claim to being a force in those divisions. *I'm talking about 130, 135, 140, 147, 154lb divisions.* In those divisions, Manny Pacquiao fought specific men and gave great fights, but certainly Pacquiao wasn't fighting the best in those divisions. For instance, Barrera only found fame for beating the overhyped Brit of that day in Naseem Hamed. Before then, Barrera was semi-retired after getting his ass kicked back to back by Junior Jones. Morales had lost twice to Barrera at the point when Pacquiao chose him as an opponent .. but Morales beat Pacquiao as an underdog. Out of nowhere, Morales gets *DOMINATED* by Zahir Raheem .. but Pacquiao refuses to fight Raheem and instead chooses to fight Morales in a division where Morales had little to no experience. Morales never rematched Raheem and no no desire to. *That's the **_REAL_** story of Pacquiao's legacy.* Manny _CHOSE_ to fight the lesser challenges when convenient for himself and even then sometimes he got his ass kicked for his troubles. There's nothing " _great_ " about losing. But a whole generation of kids who grew up watching " _ROCKY_ " movies believes that losing is just as good as winning when the perception of someone that they support is on the line. That was the entire appeal of Arturo Gatti. And it's bullshit. When the "Great Hope" of a group can't seem to get the win that they need to reach the top, then that group changes the criteria of what it means to be " _great_ " .. and that's pathetic. Losing doesn't destroy one's career or legacy .. but it sure doesn't help it either and *MUST* be weighed and factored in when determining just how great a career they had. If Ali hadn't made all the moves that he did concerning social justice, Ali would not be revered today as one of the the best boxers to have ever lived. Why? Ali lost to men that he should never had. There's no denying that Ali was an amazing talent, but talent alone does not accomplish milestones. Consistency and actual winning against the best does. Challenging one's self as one goes up in weight against THEE BEST and WINNING(without tricks like weight manipulation clauses or targeting opponents coming off huge career losses) determines that. The difference between men like Muhammad Ali and Roy Jones Jr. is that Roy Jones was thee most dominant force in the sport before he got old overnight. People can actually look back at Roy Jones' record and determine at what point in his career he diminished as a fighter. It was when he came down from HW and lost 26lbs of muscle in 6 weeks to make a fight with Tarver. It affected Jones for life and he was *NEVER* the same. Ali had lost to men in his prime that should never had a chance against an elite fighter. Sure .. there were circumstances in Ali's life as well as in his career, but because of those circumstances fans had to weigh in the controversy into Ali's legacy .. which is bullshit as it had nothing to do with Ali's milestones or the lack thereof. Its the same with Pacquiao. Manny Pacquiao had a good career, not a great one. Its marred by cherry picking, weight manipulation clauses and towards the end, *Pacquiao had been masquerading as a welterweight but exclusively fighting only lightweights and super lightweights by paying them to move up and pretend to be legitimate WW competition.* Its all verifiable. All one has to do is read Pacquiao's resume. Marquez. Bradley, Rios and Algieri were never factors at WW. They were *NEVER* real welterweights. They were *GIFTED* opportunities so to make Pacquiao look good .. but it backfired a time or two. After having fought Mosley in 2011, those men comprised Pacquiao's opponents until 2015 when Manny finally agreed to fight Floyd. *Who does that?* That would be like Deontay Wilder paying light-heavyweights and cruiserweights to move up and *PRETEND* to be heavyweights fighters just to say he has some recognizable names on his resume. I didn't even get into how Pacquiao faced *EVERY SINGLE WELTERWEIGHT HE FOUGHT ONLY COMING OFF A LOSS* (minor tune-ups don't count) and most of them were bound by catchweight clauses. *DLH* - coming off loss to Mayweather while weighing 170lbs+ .. but made to fight Pacquiao at 145lbs .. a weight DLH hadn't made in 7 years. *Hatton* - Coming off KO loss to Mayweather .. but was admittedly a drug addict and alcoholic when he faced Pacquiao. *Cotto* - Coming off horrendous bloody beating at the hands of Margarito .. but made to cut unnecessary weight to slow him down and sap his stamina against Pacquiao *Clottey* - coming off loss to Cotto *Margarito* - coming off KO loss to Mosley, but was paid to fight while he was banned for cheating because Pacquiao had Arum pay Texas to lift the ban there. *Mosley* - Was dominated in loss to Mayweather. Look weak in his next fight against Mora. Pacquiao smelled blood and swooped in. The thing is .. Pacquiao could have fought nearly everyone of these men(except DLH) *BEFORE* they lost. Manny *CHOSE* to wait until someone else exposed their weakness first *IN EACH INSTANCE* .. and only then did Manny find the heart to sign a contract that almost always contained a weight manipulation clause. I'm sorry .. but with all those manufactured elements needed to make Manny Pacquiao appear formidable, that's not the kind of greatness that anyone could compare to the greatest fighter in boxing history. People should remember .. and I know it gets hard to remember sometimes because there are so many paid, company-mouthpieces like Kellerman spreading propaganda .. that Pacquiao was *NEVER* Mayweather's rival. Pacquiao was Juan Manuel Marquez' rival. The prospect of a Mayweather/Pacquiao fight enticed the masses to speculate about the outcome .. but that never meant that a man who could be outboxed by Morales and put to sleep by Marquez was at the top as an elite boxer. Manny gave great, exciting fights as a gutsy guy darting in and out against men who others thought had a better chance than they did. *But comparing Pacquiao to Mayweather is like comparing Jeremy Lin to Michael Jordan* .. which Asian fans actually did and tried to *claim that Lin had surpassed Jordan after one season with the Knicks.* That's the kind of disingenuous nonsense that real fans deal with when we hear Kellerman say such stupid things on a network that pays him to do so. Unfortunately, because Kellerman is on television, he gets credibility that he doesn't deserve. He's seen, and so he must be correct according to some people. But that's a whole other bag of drowned puppies.
+Mbongo77 I'm salty because Mayweather won convincingly??? I'm salty because Mayweather won more world titles, defeated more world champions, won more world title fights, unified more divisions, defeated more LINEAL Champions???
+Agustin Barajas Lol yep.... Max Kellerman: "De La Hoya was at the end of his career and it was a competitive fight" Max Kellerman after the Mayweather vs De La Hoya fight.... ruclips.net/video/1KhBzF6UX_0/видео.html&t=1h16m55s Hmm.... So Max said Mayweather was a virtuoso and dominated De La Hoya.... Now it was competitive???
+Jesse Sobalvarro It's a generalization... Besides Sugar Ray Robinson the only other fighter p4p I've seen that has similar boxing skill and IQ as Floyd was Ricardo Lopez and you've probably never heard of him.
Michael Hankey Typical pactards, still salty and can't accept that their boy is a shitty boxer and got outclassed by the best BOXER we've seen in 30 plus years. Why? Because they don't know shit about boxing
Max is always an honest commentator. He even bluntly asked Pac why he thought he won the fight because that's what he saw. Now him saying Pac is the greater than floyd, all this dishonest or uneducated fans are coming at him..
its true...he really is honest and credible...coz he clearly said he believed floyd won the fight...but for him manny still is the better boxer for valid reasons he stated that floyd fans refuse to understand
I thought the fight was a draw. I can't give that fight to Floyd when it seemed he didn't want to fight. He did land more punches but Pac landed the harder and more damaging shots. They wanna give Canelo all the credit in the world for slowly coming forward on GGG, meanwhile Pac who was half the size of Floyd, was running forward all night aggressively pushing the action. I don't think either man did enough to win but it's a real shame they gave the guy who didn't want to fight the W that night.
True, at the end of the fight when manny says he thoth he won, max ask him: you think you won? Max belives floyd won but also belive manny is a better pound for pound boxer, i don't know, i don't think floyd won the fight...
Max: Goes on a 4 minute in-depth explanation citing numerous similar cases and fighters throughout boxing history and provides clarification of boxing terms before making a conservative statement. Flomo: "I disagree."
+gsimon123 hahahahahhaha holy shit this is what i see everywhere hahahahaha theyre all narrowminded they cant even defend their hero logically. They just gotta "no pacroid pacquiao on peds i disagree." They cant stop being stupid
the one thing Max didn't mentioned and LIED about is PAC did NOT face the legitimate champion on each of those weight classes. example 154 title was vs Margarito who was NOT RANKED at 154 PERIOD.
Muhammad Ali 5 Losses George Foreman 5 Losses Larry Holmes 6 Losses Mike Tyson 6 Losses Evander Holyfield 10 Losses Lennox Lewis 2 Losses Roy Jones Jr 9 Losses Sugar Ray Leonard 3 Losses Roberto Durán 16 Losses Manny Pacquiao 6 Losses ... Floyd 0 Losses But all This Boxers are Legends and they are greatesr than Floyd So win is not everything , it all about RISK not RUNNING
If they had as many belts in the time of Sugar Ray Robinson as they have now, he would have beaten more "current, former, and future world champions" than Floyd has a total of fights.
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The winner and still undefeated Floyd Mayweather!!
We are in an era where anyone with a good enough promoter can be ONE OF the champions we can find in every division. Being a champion or an ex champion has little weight today
They never answered Max Kellerman's question though, mayweather had size, height and reach advantage, even refused to show his weight fight night. If you shrunk mayweather to pacquiao's size or other way around, if they were playing at even weight and size, pac would win
+Inno Irving Estrera yep...if mayweather was smaller than pac, pac would destroy him or even if same size...not just that but even 5 years earlier pac probably would've beaten mayweather...their best argument is that mayweather is undefeated and he beat a smaller p4p great...what happens if mayweather (who won so many world titles) goes up and fight ggg who people say hasn't fought quality opponents and mayweather ends up getting ko'ed....i guess ggg is the better p4p because he is still "undefeated" n be beat a smaller guy who people praised as "TBE"??
+forest282 LOL GTFOH.... Mayweather was fighting at 105 pounds at age 15 too... Mayweather actually signed the contract to fight Pacquiao in 2009/10... Pacquiao signed to fight Clottey and Margarito in Dallas
+forest282 Mayweather won more World Titles than Pacquiao 13-7, Won more world title fights than Pacquiao 27-15, defeated more world champions than Pacquiao 24-16, defeated more LINEAL Champions 6-3, unified more divisions than Pacquiao 3-0 and defeated Pacquiao in the ring...
Pound For Pound, Pacquiao went up from (titles) 112 to 150, which is 38 pounds. Floyd went from (titles) 130 to 154, which is just 24 pounds. Manny was also an aggressive, athletic freak who was knocking out guys much bigger than him when he was in his prime. Throw in the fact that Pacquiao came from nothing in the streets of the Philippines, whereas Floyd was born and bred to fight (his dad and uncle were both pro fighters) and Manny is definitely better P4P.
+PhillyPhan Except.... Mayweather 13 world titles Pacquiao 7, Mayweather 27-0 in world title fights Pacquiao 15-4-2, Mayweather defeated 24 individual world champions Pacquiao 16, Mayweather unified 3 divisions Pacquiao ZERO, Mayweather retired LINEAL Champion at 147 and 154, Pacquiao only had one unification fight at 147 and never defended his 154 title.... Mayweather won ALL of the welterweight world titles.....
I agree, what Manny has done is incredible, a man his size taking on guys like Cotto, Bradley, Mosley, Margarito, etc is crazy. He not only competed well in that weight but beat all those guys. Floyd vs Manny, Floyd wins, but the best of this generation is Pacquaiao
+Ingo Castilho He was able to take on those guys because he was on steroids. The reason no flyweight has been able to have success at welterweight/junior middleweight is because no one can do it naturally. You take a guy that is probably one of the best small fighters ever, with unreal speed, pump him full of juice, and voila, you have Manny Pacquiao. He's looked average as hell and hasn't knocked out anyone since they started doing olympic testing for his fights.
Ur insane if it was steroids g did he stun Floyd in the 4th and six round and Floyd made sure he was tested manny has always had a lightning left hand hand even at the beginning of his career he was knocking people out with the same punch
@@terrence0258is not a steroids idiot, it's a hardwork in training, don't accuse him without evidence, i just want you to know that Pacquiao is never failed in Nevada drugstest, he always fought clean fight, and never cheat on his opponnents, unlike your Floyd is cheater, his a PEDS user boxer, Floyd caught 3times in PEDS.
When he was on his prime he beat legends. Now that he is a Legend he is now beating primes. The one and only 8 division world champion Manny 'PacMan' Pacquiao.
@Derrick Woods mayweather has no honor as fighter who just keeps running a hugging his opponent and bribing the judges for the decision to be in his favor.
Max Kellerman said he'll try to make it simple for the Floyd fan. Good luck with that shit. Max would need to write it with crayons on a giant piece of paper, in big letters and veeeery slowly...
+noel danseco - As opposed to brain dead Pac fans who refuse to admit the truth. They went hand to hand and Pac lost fair and square. In what fucked up world do you lose a fight to a guy and then some people think you are better than the guy that beat you?
Years from now, when the dust settles, when the two are either dead or very old, Max Kellerman's words will be the truth. Manny Pacquiao's boxing legacy will always be greater than Floyd Mayweather's.
@@tjadams1089 floyds 50 and 0 is not new in boxing history. you know what new? A Boxer who fought an mma fighter a karate kid and a youtuber. Thats new. Maybe floyd will remember in the future for this messed his makin in boxing. Hahhahhshshh
+Greg Falco - That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard in my life!!!!!!!!!!!! He is not a fighter? Have you seen Mayweather's early fights in his career? Do yourself a favor and check them out and then come back and apologize for that asinine comment. NUMNUT!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do people keep saying did you see floyd early career fight? Stop going back to past we talking about now floyd change he scared now. Pacquiao early fights still destroying fighter and still now. See the difference pacquiao is the best.
+Christian Bozwell I couldn't find the other post you responded to me on so I'll respond to you here. YOU'RE BOTH BEING IDIOTIC (about putting down Max just because you don't like his opinion). Btw, Max is NOT being a fanboy. I live in LA and Max on his LA radio show said that he thought Pac was better pound for pound right after the May-Pac fight. He's been saying this for a year now and on his local LA radio show where he would have no reason to promote Pac for HBO. Why can't it just be his honest opinion? And why do you have to put him down?
+Christian Bozwell Facts are facts. He said that that after the May Pac fight. He could have changed his mind, if he actually already assessed their standing in boxing history. Send me the links where he's done that. He could have just changed his mind if he did have different opinions before. Why are you guys over-complicating all this?? Lol!
+Christian Bozwell Well, you said you can give me the links in the past where Max had already assessed Floyds and Pac's place in history pound for pound. Where are the links? You said you'd provide the links!!! It's in FINE PRINT right above. LOL!!
Pacquiao has surpassed Mayweather. They're both greats but Pacquiao put himself in front with taking on every challenge there is and was. He never ducked no one and fought all the best matches out there and won from Mayweather's generation, and now taking on today's generation and winning. That's amazing..
@Derrick Woods Floyd never beat Pacman. If u r honest and respect boxing as a true sport of spirit u wouldn't be speaking so. For ur kind information go check the slomo video of the match and see the strikes landed by Pacman and Floyd and have u ever wondered y Floyd never fought outta VEGAS. BETTAR THINK ABOUT IT
loadfaster you're crazy WADA said it happened so did Nevada's Athtletic Commission. Floyd, even admitted it happened and just claimed it wasn't illegal...but we know that it was because the amount he took was over 50ml. And anything over 50ml needs to be administered as part of a hospital stay, etc. it's not like he took steroids. It was basically salt, water, and vitamin c...but the amount and manner in which he took it was CLEARLY illegal.
Lmao y’all are so pathetic Pacquiao lost to Floyd no matter how you slice it. Whatever a tv personality’s opinion is, when they got in the ring and fought against each other, Pacquiao lost and he, nor his delusional fans, will ever get that back.
@@mattj4362 Of course it matters how you slice it LOL. You have to be a casual to think otherwise. Floyd ducked him in his prime and he was the smaller fighters LOL! This is a fact. Even if it hurts you. Pacquiao was also injured and Floyd used illegal Ivys in that fight. Also FACT.
procioneintubato World Titles Mayweather 13 Pacquiao 7.... Record in World Title fights Mayweather 27-0 Pacquiao 15-4-2, World Champions defeated Mayweather 24 Pacquiao 16... Record vs World Champions Mayweather 26-0 Pacquiao 20-5-2... Divisions unified Mayweather 3 Pacquiao 0.... Record in unification fights Mayweather 6-0 Pacquiao 0-2-2... Lineal Champions defeated Mayweather 6 Pacquiao 3..... Mayweather defeated Pacquiao in the ring.. Mayweather is well above Pacquiao... In Mayweather's last 33 fights 31 were against World Champions, Top 10 divisional opponents and/or P4P Top 20 fighters... Mayweather's resume is better than Pacquiao's as well..
Dro gon You got facts to support your statement?? The reason why he fought in Vegas for the last part of his career is because he was bound by contract to fight at the MGM it had nothing to do with drugs or cheating... Mayweather's exclusive deal allowed him to receive all the $$$ made from the live gate, concessions and memorabilia sold at the MGM during fight week...
Pacquiao and Floyd are both great. It depends on where or what perspective you look at it.. in terms of winning championships from different divisions, KO percentage and number of fights - Pacquiao is Great. in terms of win-lose % (undefeated), punching accuracy and chin - Floyd is great. They are both great. One can argue that since they both fought each other and floyd got a decision win, floyd is greater than Pacman... That's the reason why Max Kellerman said "pacquiao is arguably the greatest in this era"
Seriously. Maywether Jr. doesn't have losses on his record. Pacquiao does have MULTIPLE even when he beat Bradley all 3 times. Mayweather Jr. hasn't been knocked out. Pacquiao has been knocked out COLD. Mayweather Jr. lands more punches in higher percentages and has beat more world champions in a shorter period of time. When the two fought Mayweather Jr. won. Mayweather Jr. is a better fighter than Pacquiao overall even with more weight classes Pacquiao did. He got knocked out and loss against Mayweather Jr.... Ppl are mad that Flo makes mo money too.... Kellerman is a state of delusion. and denial at same time. Pacquiao is NOT a better figher than Mayweather Jr. PEACE OUT.
+wakeupworld100 - Nobody isn't saying Mayweather lost to Pacquiao. Again, you are not listening to what Max Kellerman's actually saying here. Seems like you are the delusional one here. PEACE OUT.
+MOS exactly my point. That's not enough time or far enough back to call him the greatest cause in 7 years of watching boxing wouldn't really say you KNOW boxing
Christian Bozwell oh here we go...it's nothing to do with my name, race, colour, religion etc etc etc. All my idols are black Americans. Just think all Floyd was, was a great risk assessor. He was never unbeatable as a technical boxer. Most of his big fights were timed out to ensure the victory.. He's got a crafted 49-0 resume : majority of his fights were against opponents past their prime. For me he didn't have the heart to be a fight, nor the skills to fight fair in the early rounds. But was great at taking the hype out off a huge event & umph out of a opponent as soon as the bell rang.
Christian Bozwell 2006 to 2011 hence Floyd retiring. Maypac was most demanded by the fans after MayHat. That's another thing with Floyd. One minute He uses his money veil to duck fighters "I can make 80 million fighting someone else" and the next he's using it to cherry pick past their prime over the hill fighters. He claims he's for the fans. He's done nothing but spit in fans faces and rip them off.
+Christian Bozwell Dude u be just nitpicking it's not even funny. Rematch and trilogies are part of boxing tradition. Morales and Barrera are topnotch fights, viewership and sales proved fans wanted those coz they 4 sure will see a real fight, not a Dancing with the Stars when Floyd fought Baldomir. Who wants to see that shit? Give credit to Floyd for rematching Castillio, since everyone with half-a-brain knew Floyd lost the first one SMH.
+Tom Star Gazer Mayweather unified 3 divisions, Pacquiao never unified a division.... Mayweather won 13 world titles, Pacquiao won 7.... Mayweather 49-0 Pacquiao 57-6-2.... Mayweather 26-0 vs world champions Pacquiao 20-3-2..... Mayweather 27-0 in world title fights Pacquiao 15-3-2.... Mayweather defeated 24 individual world champions Pacquiao 16.... Mayweather retired as LINEAL Champion at 147 and 154, Pacquiao only had one unification fight at 147 and he never defended his 154 title.... Mayweather never fought for an interim, minor or VACANT belt, Pacquiao won 8 interim, minor or VACANT belts.... Mayweather won all 4 147 titles without losing them in the ring, Pacquiao only had one unification fight at 147....
The guy who said: "I respectfully disagree with you" without giving any argument vs Max's points basically proved Max's points about Floyd's fanboys. Lol! Max makes a great point. If they were the same size, imagine that, Pacquiao would be scaring people at Welterweight. ANd Pacquiao would be moving up to middleweight to challenge bigger fighters. Lol!
+Adrian Medina More World Titles than Pacquiao, More World Wins and Fights, More Divisions Unified, Defeated More World Champions, Won All The Welterweight Titles while Pacquiao never unified any division, Defeated More LINEAL Champions than Pacquiao, Never fought for a vacant or interim title while most of Pacquiao's titles are vacant or interim titles...
8 division world champion5 division lineal champion3rd boxer in history to win genuine world titles in three of the original eight weight divisions of boxing3 time fighter of the year2 time best fighter ESPY award He is the longest reigning top-ten boxer on The Ring's pound for pound list And lastly the FIGHTER OF THE DECADE for 2000
+Chaitan Reddy, There is no doubt that Floyd Mayweather is a hall of famer. No one is disputing that. If you look at the title it say "Epic explanation by Max Kellerman on why Pacquiao is greater than Mayweather"...... Not whether Floyd is only a good fighter or great fighter, or hall of famer........But whether Pacquiao was greater. You're making massive leaps and then ended with "fucking casuals"....... It is arguable whether Pacquiao was greater than Floyd Mayweather "pound for pound". And Max made a good point, Pacquiao is naturally smaller than Mayweather. We are afterall talking about "pound for pound". Personally I think pound for pound is a bullshit term.
P4P is a bullshit term because people usually don't know what it means. SRR won fights in multiple weight divisions and was dominant despite size and that's why that term was brought. Who is the best fighter REGARDLESS of weight divisions. How does one prove that? Fighting at multiple weight divisions. So many people like Chaitan Reddy above didn't even understand Kellermans argument even though he explained it extremely clearly. If we cloned Floyd and the original had this career his had now and the clones career would be as follows --> Moves up in weight to 160 to fight GGG wins the fight defends belts against Danny Jacobs and loses a close decision, then moves up to light heavyweight and beats Andre Ward then defends the belt against Sregey Kovalev succesfully and then fights Anthony Joshua at heavyweight and get's knocked out in a tough fight. The clone Mayweather has losses in his resume but this clone would be the better P4P fighter than the original.
No, pound for pound is a bullshit term because it's all subjective. It's purely based on opinion and they always look at the smaller boxers simply because they are "multi-weight division champions". But when you consider that there is only 8 pounds difference between a Super-Bantamweight and two divisions up at Super-Featherweight. (Three weight divisions and four recognised world governing bodies). That means there is 12 major world title belts available to a Super Bantamweight boxer who only needs to put on 8 pounds and have the opportunity to become a 3x multi-weight division champion, without even fighting the best in those divisions. Then it's not surprising that Mayweather and Pacquiao are "multi-weight division champions". Meanwhile David Haye won a heavyweight title strap back in 2009 and gave up 100 pounds of weight against Nikolai Valuev and no one bats an eyelid, because it's heavyweight.
+triplenaruto1 Actually it's the opposite, Mayweather unified 3 divisions, Pacquiao never won a unification fight in his career.... Mayweather won all 4 welterweight world titles in his career while Pacquiao never won a unification fight in his career.... Mayweather retired as LINEAL and unified champion in two divisions... Pacquiao only had one unification fight at welterweight.... Pacquiao never defended his world titles at 135 and 154 or his minor belt at 140...
+cmoneyno5 the people he beat to get all his titles at 147 besides a one armed pac weren't that good. plus Pacquiao didn't fight for belts but he did fight p4p fighters a lot more. but u r right he although u could argue that both the draws should have went to pac and even made a case on how he won the Floyd fight
+nexttvmarketing I'm sorry bro, not sure where your getting at since knowing history is the basis of the present and future. So knowing history on any subject is beneficial. Now than again what each individual perceives as truths or facts is purely subjective, but he clearly can back up his rationale regardless if he's wrong or right. Can you say the same? If you can that's great and kudos to you. Have a great night.
I can easily but is it really worth the time? The low class pacquiao fans are not really boxing fans...I get it their supporting there fellow countryman but they have do so in a very low class racist way...not considering that black people are number one in sports, music , dance and sex...everyone knows that...
+Nick Nixon typical response form a mayweather fan when they have nothing logical to say they result to insults lol. Mayweather fans don't know anything about boxing besides mayweather himself lol
I am totally agree with this argument is just simply logic. MORE accomplishment in pacquiao than floyd , and Duran than leonard. they both have more greatness than his rivals because they were not in the advantage position. and they succeed
0 loss 0 guts, i don't know why you guys comparing pacquiao to mayweather... Mayweather is a boring boxer that cant even hurt his opponent,. Pacquiao never duck anybody and he destroys his opponent win or loss... You consider mr cheap shot and hug a best fighter? If you think its all about winning is the best. Then think again.
+the rang Except.... Mayweather fought nearly twice as many world champions, won nearly twice as many world titles, unified 3 divisions while Pacquiao unified ZERO, Mayweather won ALL of the welterweight world titles, retired LINEAL Champion at 147 and 154 while Pacquiao never defended his titles at 135, 140 or 154
+cmoneyno5 it wasnt just me who's saying pacquiao is the G.O.AT , ask the boxing community... Hall of famers, boxing analysts, historians, i hope it will light up your mind brother....
He also said he knew he would beat pacquiao and said he prefers pure boxers like Mayweather . it's not him contradicting himself , he just believes pacmans accolades equal a greater legacy than floyds.
You missed his point. Pacquiao isnt naturally a 147lber. Im not going to articulate the point, if you can't figure it out, you're being dishonest, or you're special.
I bet you 110% that FLOMOS and PACsHATER hated this man now!!! LOL!!! can't blame him for telling the TRUTH! I guess this man got bigger balls than Manny.
These are actually very good analysis by Max and questions by reporters. What is always missing is the boxer’s continued education and their preparation thereof, in terms of the angular growth. Angular growth is uncommon to earth because by and large all boxers are known to having one trainer and never were and are taught by several (educators who bring out and refine talent continuously, as in without a ceiling). These engineers create schematic designs to infuse boxing’s infinite science to develop the pugilist in various angles. An automobile has four sides. The psychology, center of gravity balance and comprehension of a pugilist also have four sides. Floyd is not a great pure boxer because he N E V E R took challenges from his apex rivals on their best day. Missing are Antonio Margarito in 2006. Paul Williams in 2008. Manny Pacquiao From 2009 to 2014. During these periods Mr. Mayweather chose lower risk opposition consistently. He also fought Mr. Mosley late. He had Mr. Alvarez come down in weight. He paid a weight penalty to lighter weight adversary in Mr. Marquez. When one reviews Marvelous Marvin Hagler’s career there are no leaks. As with Sugar Ray Leonard and Mr. Duran. Floyd’s career is full of leaks. No bank honours a portion of a counterfeit check. By Way Of The Christ to Coach Hilario Copyright 2019
The only 8 division world champion in history. The only 5 division "lineal" champion in history. The "oldest" welterweight world champion in history. The only congressman-to-senator and a world champion in history. 3x Fighter of the Year. Fighter of the Decade. Fought 44 Title fights and beat 9 undefeated fighters. (as of July 20, 2019).
if you guys dont understand his argument, ten like he said you either dont know shit about boxin or just mayweaters fan n boys..he made 100% sense in his argument , i actually agree with him
+rootofallevi agreed, Welterweight, Junior welterweight, Lightweight, Super featherweight, Junior lightweight Super-featherweight (Mayweather), Featherweight, Junior featherweight, Super-bantamweight, Bantamweight, Junior bantamweight, Super-flyweight, Flyweight (Pacquiao).... Max does make a good point. Manny started 7 weight classes below floyd. Floyd is great, but Manny is smaller than floyd naturally. Manny was always punching above his weight class. How can anyone deny this?
The fact that Pacquiao was a big name as Floyd, without actually selling his fights by selling his soul just to make controversy to sell fights, is a statement of how of an amazing fighter he is back then. He doesn't need to sell those fights, his fights alone is just enough
It's funny I can hear some of the media ppl questions that do videos on RUclips YTBC, I won't mention names. You had a chance to rebuttal what Max Kellerman said like they try to in videos.And as Soon as they're a few inches away from the man with a mic and a camera. Their only answer is "I degree" GTFOH
***** yup Loool and If he's there i know DBN right there at his hip too, so where was the real questions when it was needed huh? Max must be on the coincidental list Lol
That's why Pacquiao is the greatest of our era, one of the all-time greats. He did what nobody else did, or could do. He's a natural flyweight who has no business fighting against welterweights and yet he was dominating almost everyone. The fact that he lost even a close fight to floyd says enough that Pacquiao's legend is greater. Floyd sits comfortably at a weight class he's always had the advantages in. We don't see floyd taking any risks and challenges and trying to take on bigger stronger guys. As I always said, YOU ARE ONLY AS GREAT AS THE ADVERSITY YOU FACE. Pacquiao's boxing adversity scale is like 10x greater than floyd's. Hence, Pacquiao > Mayweather.
I totally get Max's arguement and its valid. When you look at things from that perspective it's makes sense. This is coming from a guy that believes Floyd defeats Manny 10/10 prime or not.
I'm no Flomo but...the problem is counterpunchers are Pacquiao's nemesis. The old adage is styles make fights. Even if Pacquiao and Mayweather were exactly the same size, Mayweather has the perfect style to beat him. BUT prime vs prime, as a fan, I'd rather watch the aggressive more entertaining Manny over Floyd...any day. So glad that the lighter weights kept Boxing alive...
Max is one of the best personalities in boxing. Is sad how Mayweather fans just threw hate because they disagree, but didnt put an explination as clever as This one.
he never defeat the pacman thats the reason got booooed by the fans who saw the actual fight! and everytime they crossed fhier path his ego is degrading and he cant hide it still bear and linger in his mind that the pacman beat him in deeds!
Don't agree here. Pacquiao wasn't at his best at flyweight he got ko'd twice, then jumped to superbantam. Floyd was fighting at around 130 when he started. Pacquiao was weight drained, at flyweight, so probably should have started at around 125. Not so different. Would Floyd have drawn with Manuel Marquez at Featherweight or lost to Erik Morales at SuperFeather?
+MrWizzleTeets pacquiao couldn't make the minimum weight division when he started boxing he was so poor that he was under 100 pounds, he admitted he had to put coins in his pants to make weight when he started boxing
Don't you think that Duran would be a bit befuddled like he was against Leonard, De Jesus and Laing? He didn't seem to fair very well against these fast spoiler types and Floyd was/is king of the spoilers. The greatest spoiler of all time maybe!
to people who believe that floy is better than pac what is this? Pacquiao made history by being the first boxer ever to win world titles in eight weight divisions, having won twelve major world titles, as well as being the first boxer to win the lineal championship in five different weight classes. if it's true that floyd is better than pac, why does pac have that title? why?
Fanboy asks for analysis of why Max thinks Pacquiao is better overall than Mayweather... Max gives his analysis... Fanboy says that that Max is wrong... Great work.
At 16 years old Mayweather won the golden gloves at LIGHT-FLYWEIGHT At 16 years old Pacquiao turned pro at LIGHT-FLYWEIGHT So the weight is not a argument and Mayweather beat pacquiao because of his superior technique and ring IQ not because he was supposedly the "bigger" man!
+Gaël C it is because he's the bigger man...exactly what max was saying....if mayweather didn't have the reach to control his range then pac would be all over his ass...don't matter the superior technique and ring IQ...you thing mayweather can use those advantages against a much bigger guy like ggg, ward, kovalev or hopkins??? and why not if size didn't matter??
+forest282 reach and size are totally different! Rances barthelemy IBF lightweight champ is taller and 3" longer than GGG but Golovkin is at least twice bigger! The only argument of Kellerman is that Pacman turned pro at lightflyweight and Mayweather at superfeatherweight. But if Mayweather had turned pro at 16 like pacquiao, it would have been at lightflyweight too! so his only argument doesn't work.. when they fought, they weighted both 152 lbs fight night. Mayweather is a taller and longer BUT he is not bigger. And pacquio beat taller and longer fighter like algieri, margarito, de la hoya so Mayweather must have something more, no? like ring IQ and technique?
yes mayweather has ring IQ and technique...you didn't hear max saying it's because he has the size to oppose his skill against the smaller man in manny pacquiao? of course manny beat algieri, margarito and so forth whom were bigger and taller than him but they aren't great fighters like manny and floyd...in the case of manny and floyd...it's the saying of the bigger great man always usually beats the great little man...floyd is naturally and physically bigger, taller and longer than manny despite the same weight of fight night...oscar was about the same weight as manny the night they fought but look who was still the bigger guy that night?...those are floyd's main advantages over manny...there's a limit with ring IQ if the other guy is much bigger than him like for instance if floyd was to fight ggg or ward...and if you look at it the other way around if manny had the same speed and skills as he does right now and is the same size and ggg...floyd would easily get his ass kicked despite his ring IQ
Prime vs prime, Manny would KO Floyd. You gotta remember that Manny's atricion affected his punching power much more than Floyd's affecting his defense. If Floyd fought Manny the same year Manny TKO'ed Miguel Cotto, he's lucky to reach the 8th round.
I respect this man for calling the sport I love so much as honest as it gets. There's no bias or ball dangling in his mind. He keeps it real and most Mayweather fans can't be realistic enough to say he's not the greatest of all time. I'll give him one of the greatest but far from the absolute. Much respect to Mayweather but if anyone knows boxing and clearly max does, then you can't put Mayweather ahead of a lot of fighters from the past even with the undefeated record.
+dan theman I do but the things he's saying are undeniable. I've been a boxing fan and into mix martial arts my whole life and knowledge is knowledge. he's not speaking from a bias place but true facts about the sport. No one's opinion can trump facts my good sir
not at all and your apparently a Mayweather fan and don't really know boxing enough to speak on it cause when all else fails you'll keep repeating the same thing as if that's gonna change any of the facts spoken in normal convo. we're done here move my man. we both know the truth and he's not the greatest ever period!!
+sil8ty01 Zero bc Mayweather fans actually know shit about boxing and know that Max is an HBO guy, this is a HBO aligned analysis. Any true boxing fan knows Floyd is far and away the best of this generation regardless of what a guy who has never stepped in the ring to fight says.
stop making excuses if floyd fought margarito he would make margarito gloves so big and try to run all night long pac stood up against margarito floyd cant even stay few seconds in front ofcoralles
pacman is the greatest "Fighter" - a boxer that looks to KO his opponents.. (8 Division world champion) got 5 losses (3 KOed) Floyd is the greatest "Boxer" - a boxer who looks to win on points without hurting himself. (5 Division world champion) Undefeated in his professional career.
+Roland Tecson - Finally we have a winner!!!!! That is the most intelligent analogy that I have read on this post. Why can't all fans see it the way you described it? Because that is exactly true!!!!!!!!!!
+Tony Stewart do not interact with people who ignore logic. "The problem isn't that Johnny can't read. The problem isn't even that Johnny can't think. The problem is that Johnny doesn't know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling" - Thomas Sowell
Max is absolutely bang on the money. You have to look at their records and see not just who they beat, but when. Pacquiao has better fighters on his resume and at peaks of their career.
Super-featherweight Floyd > Super-featherweight Pac But the Pac who dismantled Cotto *might* have been invincible. Floyd and Pac in 09 would have been the greatest fight of all time.
+Lee SOG True.. If you look at Floyd's performance against Marquez that year (throw the weight advantage out the window since Floyd was off for 21 months), that would've been incredible. The purses wouldn't have been as big though, which is where Floyd's mind was. I think he beats Pacquiao regardless, and I liked Pacquiao at the time (I recently stopped being a fan of his because of the homophobic remarks he made, but that doesn't effect how I feel about him as a fighter). I hope Ward-Kovalev and GGG-Canelo make up for Mayweather-Pacquiao as far as action goes, although as a fan who appreciates pure boxing, and as an amateur fighter, I enjoyed that fight.
Pac win Barrera, Marquiz and Morales when he was a featherweight. Those are 3 legends. Who did Mayweather beat when he was a featherweight? Mayweather beat some good fighters but no legends.
Pacquiao fought at those weights in his teens. When Mayweather was in his teens he was the same weight. It just happens that Mayweather went pro at a later age. Whose to say if Mayweather had have gone pro when he was 15, he would probably have won titles at Bantamweight on up. Max is great in interviews though
So I can make a very detailed explanation as to why Pacquaio is greater and in fact, I think its more sensible to compare him to other truly great fighters, not someone like Floyd who exclusively hand picked fights vs guys past their prime and exclusively fought with a run away style. If you want greatness, you must RISK greatly to profit greatly. Not talking money, talking honor here. What I won't do though, that Max did, is let some guy reply to all that with 'I disagree' and then just say ok. No, every time I will say, ok, let's hear your detailed, fact filled argument, and wait for the entertainment to start. Because that's where you win - the guy trying to make that argument will either show that he 1. doesn't know Floyd 2. Doesn't know boxing or 3. cannot let facts inform his opinion instead of just his feelings that 'Floyd's his guy'. He will pretty much always devolve to namecalling, calling you a hater or racist or whatever(lol, I'm not Pacquaio's race either, dude), because end of the day, there are just very few facts behind defending Floyd's approach to picking his fights, or how he fights. Floyd defenders fall apart really quickly because they know deep down the guy has no courage, in a sport where courage is the most admirable trait of all.
Pac thought he'd win as many others believed bc he throws many punches from various angles however Floyd proved its how you avoid punches and when you throw them. Floyd mastered the Mayweather shoulder roll and the only thing that beats it is speed and IQ if he's got roll the shoulder then fucking hit the shoulder you kill two birds with one stone you're getting contact hits and causing injury. Freddy Roach didn't train him well bc I'd fuck his shoulder up with left hooks then pop an overhand right to the face.
I remember 10 years ago when Floyd tried everything and any kind of excuses to fight the then 30 year old very Prime and distructive Manny Pacquiao. He knows Manny style will caught up on him so when Floyd sees the moment of Pac's dipping performance that's when he ask for the fight
The deference between manny and floyd is manny is epitomy of boxing is all about! Mayweather is not. Because Mayweather is kind of boxer that he pick his opponents and focus to zero and focus to getting much money. That's why many of his fight is very boring to my opinion. I watch old school boxing and i feel Mayweather is not the kind of boxer that willing to die on the ring to fight, manny is deferent cause manny is willing to fight everybody win or lose, cut and bruised. That's for me a meaning of boxing. To fight whatever he takes. Mayweather is good defensive fighter and earn alot of money. But he didn't know the meaning of boxing or what is the purpose to be a boxer. That's my opinion guys don't mad at me. I'm young but i watch boxing alot so i know boxing as a watcher and Listener's.
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Max's explanation is simple and clear.
Mayweather has accomplished something he's supposed to accomplish given his talent. A true champion.
Pacquiao has accomplished something we will never see again. A true legend.
FLOMOS and PACHATERS would never understand this!
Are we going to see a 5 weight undefeated 11 time world champion in Floyd again?
So you're arguing that greatness is predicated upon expectations?
That's ridiculous.
J Smith I understand that point of view. But just think, what’s more impressive, a 200lb man benching 300lbs 50/50 times and never failing, or a 120 lb man benching 300lbs 61/70 times. There’s arguments for both sides 🤷🏽♂️
@@isaacsoto8119 _This is a long one. So I hope that you're capable of reading through it if you want 100% honesty and accuracy._
Here's the thing: Your analysis is based on misinformation.
Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao are relatively the same size.
Floyd is 2 years older and went to the Olympics.
Manny Pacquiao did not go to the Olympics and turned pro at a younger age than Floyd did.
What does that all mean?
It means that Pacquiao appeared smaller because he turned pro at a younger age while his body had not grown to its current size.
Floyd is *NOT* a true 147lbs fighter(despite him having the skill to reign as a 154lb lineal champion).
Floyd is at best a 130-135lbs fighter who simply had the skills to do what he did.
Manny is no different.
Manny had the speed and stamina to do what he did. The difference is that Pacquiao *NEEDED* the catchweights and weight rehydration clauses to accomplish what Floyd did *WITHOUT* them.
Manny Pacquiao's career has been carefully packaged and sold as some little guy who came up and beat the bigger guys. That's only partially true.
Manny definitely came up and won. Just not against guys that were bigger and healthy.
What's not reflected is that at the same age, Mayweather was the same size as Pacquiao.
As they grew, they were in different places in their careers. Floyd had grown during his amateur career and so when he debuted in his pro career, he was larger than Pacquiao and therefore he did not compete i as many divisions as Pacquiao.
But that's simply semantics .. especially when one considers that Pacquiao had been KO'd twice during those years.
The entire basis for Kellerman attempting to compare two very different fighters is the *number of divisions that Pacquiao has competed in.* That's literally the ONLY aspect that Kellerman could hope to cite when making his ridiculous argument that quantity trumps quality.
The number of divisions that one competes in is hardly the metric by which greatness would be measured .. especially in light of the fact that *Pacquiao wasn't dominant in many of them.*
Pacquiao simply won fights against *SPECIFIC BRAND NAME FIGHTERS* to lay claim to being a force in those divisions.
*I'm talking about 130, 135, 140, 147, 154lb divisions.*
In those divisions, Manny Pacquiao fought specific men and gave great fights, but certainly Pacquiao wasn't fighting the best in those divisions.
For instance, Barrera only found fame for beating the overhyped Brit of that day in Naseem Hamed. Before then, Barrera was semi-retired after getting his ass kicked back to back by Junior Jones.
Morales had lost twice to Barrera at the point when Pacquiao chose him as an opponent .. but Morales beat Pacquiao as an underdog.
Out of nowhere, Morales gets *DOMINATED* by Zahir Raheem .. but Pacquiao refuses to fight Raheem and instead chooses to fight Morales in a division where Morales had little to no experience. Morales never rematched Raheem and no no desire to.
*That's the **_REAL_** story of Pacquiao's legacy.*
Manny _CHOSE_ to fight the lesser challenges when convenient for himself and even then sometimes he got his ass kicked for his troubles.
There's nothing " _great_ " about losing.
But a whole generation of kids who grew up watching " _ROCKY_ " movies believes that losing is just as good as winning when the perception of someone that they support is on the line.
That was the entire appeal of Arturo Gatti. And it's bullshit.
When the "Great Hope" of a group can't seem to get the win that they need to reach the top, then that group changes the criteria of what it means to be " _great_ " .. and that's pathetic.
Losing doesn't destroy one's career or legacy .. but it sure doesn't help it either and *MUST* be weighed and factored in when determining just how great a career they had.
If Ali hadn't made all the moves that he did concerning social justice, Ali would not be revered today as one of the the best boxers to have ever lived.
Why?
Ali lost to men that he should never had. There's no denying that Ali was an amazing talent, but talent alone does not accomplish milestones.
Consistency and actual winning against the best does. Challenging one's self as one goes up in weight against THEE BEST and WINNING(without tricks like weight manipulation clauses or targeting opponents coming off huge career losses) determines that.
The difference between men like Muhammad Ali and Roy Jones Jr. is that Roy Jones was thee most dominant force in the sport before he got old overnight.
People can actually look back at Roy Jones' record and determine at what point in his career he diminished as a fighter. It was when he came down from HW and lost 26lbs of muscle in 6 weeks to make a fight with Tarver. It affected Jones for life and he was *NEVER* the same.
Ali had lost to men in his prime that should never had a chance against an elite fighter. Sure .. there were circumstances in Ali's life as well as in his career, but because of those circumstances fans had to weigh in the controversy into Ali's legacy .. which is bullshit as it had nothing to do with Ali's milestones or the lack thereof.
Its the same with Pacquiao.
Manny Pacquiao had a good career, not a great one. Its marred by cherry picking, weight manipulation clauses and towards the end, *Pacquiao had been masquerading as a welterweight but exclusively fighting only lightweights and super lightweights by paying them to move up and pretend to be legitimate WW competition.*
Its all verifiable. All one has to do is read Pacquiao's resume.
Marquez. Bradley, Rios and Algieri were never factors at WW. They were *NEVER* real welterweights. They were *GIFTED* opportunities so to make Pacquiao look good .. but it backfired a time or two.
After having fought Mosley in 2011, those men comprised Pacquiao's opponents until 2015 when Manny finally agreed to fight Floyd.
*Who does that?*
That would be like Deontay Wilder paying light-heavyweights and cruiserweights to move up and *PRETEND* to be heavyweights fighters just to say he has some recognizable names on his resume.
I didn't even get into how Pacquiao faced *EVERY SINGLE WELTERWEIGHT HE FOUGHT ONLY COMING OFF A LOSS* (minor tune-ups don't count) and most of them were bound by catchweight clauses.
*DLH* - coming off loss to Mayweather while weighing 170lbs+ .. but made to fight Pacquiao at 145lbs .. a weight DLH hadn't made in 7 years.
*Hatton* - Coming off KO loss to Mayweather .. but was admittedly a drug addict and alcoholic when he faced Pacquiao.
*Cotto* - Coming off horrendous bloody beating at the hands of Margarito .. but made to cut unnecessary weight to slow him down and sap his stamina against Pacquiao
*Clottey* - coming off loss to Cotto
*Margarito* - coming off KO loss to Mosley, but was paid to fight while he was banned for cheating because Pacquiao had Arum pay Texas to lift the ban there.
*Mosley* - Was dominated in loss to Mayweather. Look weak in his next fight against Mora. Pacquiao smelled blood and swooped in.
The thing is .. Pacquiao could have fought nearly everyone of these men(except DLH) *BEFORE* they lost.
Manny *CHOSE* to wait until someone else exposed their weakness first *IN EACH INSTANCE* .. and only then did Manny find the heart to sign a contract that almost always contained a weight manipulation clause.
I'm sorry .. but with all those manufactured elements needed to make Manny Pacquiao appear formidable, that's not the kind of greatness that anyone could compare to the greatest fighter in boxing history.
People should remember .. and I know it gets hard to remember sometimes because there are so many paid, company-mouthpieces like Kellerman spreading propaganda .. that Pacquiao was *NEVER* Mayweather's rival.
Pacquiao was Juan Manuel Marquez' rival.
The prospect of a Mayweather/Pacquiao fight enticed the masses to speculate about the outcome .. but that never meant that a man who could be outboxed by Morales and put to sleep by Marquez was at the top as an elite boxer.
Manny gave great, exciting fights as a gutsy guy darting in and out against men who others thought had a better chance than they did.
*But comparing Pacquiao to Mayweather is like comparing Jeremy Lin to Michael Jordan* .. which Asian fans actually did and tried to *claim that Lin had surpassed Jordan after one season with the Knicks.*
That's the kind of disingenuous nonsense that real fans deal with when we hear Kellerman say such stupid things on a network that pays him to do so.
Unfortunately, because Kellerman is on television, he gets credibility that he doesn't deserve. He's seen, and so he must be correct according to some people.
But that's a whole other bag of drowned puppies.
Kellerman is a walking boxing encyclopedia
+Christian Bozwell You just got #rekt mate. Your arguments are so weak. You had it coming m8
+Christian Bozwell He's a hbo boxing analyst, who you ?
+Mbongo77 HBO analyst = must be biased
cmoneyno5 yeah like you and those reporters, you too salty.
+Mbongo77 I'm salty because Mayweather won convincingly??? I'm salty because Mayweather won more world titles, defeated more world champions, won more world title fights, unified more divisions, defeated more LINEAL Champions???
Max Kellerman is full of knowledge! Agree with him 100%
+Agustin Barajas Lol yep.... Max Kellerman: "De La Hoya was at the end of his career and it was a competitive fight" Max Kellerman after the Mayweather vs De La Hoya fight.... ruclips.net/video/1KhBzF6UX_0/видео.html&t=1h16m55s Hmm.... So Max said Mayweather was a virtuoso and dominated De La Hoya.... Now it was competitive???
+enrique figueroa LOL no...
for boxing sure....but other sports....*FART*
blunty1 what is the "ultimate measurement" exactly?
blunty1 to me, pound for pound is how much skill per pound. Pacquiao going from 106 to 145 is alot more impressive than Mayweather's 125 to 145.
"floyd fans know very little of what came before floyd " spot on , spot on
+Jesse Sobalvarro It's a generalization... Besides Sugar Ray Robinson the only other fighter p4p I've seen that has similar boxing skill and IQ as Floyd was Ricardo Lopez and you've probably never heard of him.
That right there, what max said sums the typical flomo. I read comments and ppl with a little information end up being experts.
Just ask them.
Michael Hankey Typical pactards, still salty and can't accept that their boy is a shitty boxer and got outclassed by the best BOXER we've seen in 30 plus years. Why? Because they don't know shit about boxing
+brmillgr yup! keep telling yourself that.
+brmillgr it must suck to be as fucken stupid as you are
Max is always an honest commentator. He even bluntly asked Pac why he thought he won the fight because that's what he saw. Now him saying Pac is the greater than floyd, all this dishonest or uneducated fans are coming at him..
its true...he really is honest and credible...coz he clearly said he believed floyd won the fight...but for him manny still is the better boxer for valid reasons he stated that floyd fans refuse to understand
I thought the fight was a draw. I can't give that fight to Floyd when it seemed he didn't want to fight. He did land more punches but Pac landed the harder and more damaging shots. They wanna give Canelo all the credit in the world for slowly coming forward on GGG, meanwhile Pac who was half the size of Floyd, was running forward all night aggressively pushing the action. I don't think either man did enough to win but it's a real shame they gave the guy who didn't want to fight the W that night.
True, at the end of the fight when manny says he thoth he won, max ask him: you think you won? Max belives floyd won but also belive manny is a better pound for pound boxer, i don't know, i don't think floyd won the fight...
@@Flexb123 Facts & Floyd wasnt even countering and Pac always had him on ropes
@@Flexb123 I'm with you, it was an awful matchup of styles,pac couldn't land and Floyd didn't pick him apart or do anything special
"I'm gonna respectfully disagree with you."
Follows up with no counter-argument, just going to disagree because of bias. Every mayweather fan.
@serve and protect really?
@serve and protect oh
You can't argue with idiots. Good job Max.
ruclips.net/video/oFL5NoM9GVE/видео.html
Max: Goes on a 4 minute in-depth explanation citing numerous similar cases and fighters throughout boxing history and provides clarification of boxing terms before making a conservative statement.
Flomo: "I disagree."
+gsimon123 That's all they can say. They don't have the intelligence or boxing knowledge to argue with Max.
+Brian Cheng Unless of course, they bring up that lame excuse of PED. Other than that, they have no facts or knowledge in the history of boxing.
+gsimon123 hahahahahhaha holy shit this is what i see everywhere hahahahaha theyre all narrowminded they cant even defend their hero logically. They just gotta "no pacroid pacquiao on peds i disagree." They cant stop being stupid
***** There is no better way to dismiss casual boxing fans than just letting them open their mouths lol
the one thing Max didn't mentioned and LIED about is PAC did NOT face the legitimate champion on each of those weight classes. example 154 title was vs Margarito who was NOT RANKED at 154 PERIOD.
Muhammad Ali 5 Losses
George Foreman 5 Losses
Larry Holmes 6 Losses
Mike Tyson 6 Losses
Evander Holyfield 10 Losses
Lennox Lewis 2 Losses
Roy Jones Jr 9 Losses
Sugar Ray Leonard 3 Losses
Roberto Durán 16 Losses
Manny Pacquiao 6 Losses
...
Floyd 0 Losses
But all This Boxers are Legends and they are greatesr than Floyd
So win is not everything , it all about RISK not RUNNING
They haven't beat more champions then Floyd
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If they had as many belts in the time of Sugar Ray Robinson as they have now, he would have beaten more "current, former, and future world champions" than Floyd has a total of fights.
The winner and still undefeated Floyd Mayweather!!
We are in an era where anyone with a good enough promoter can be ONE OF the champions we can find in every division. Being a champion or an ex champion has little weight today
He even knew about pancho villa the first filipino world campion who died of tetanus from tooth extraction at a young age
That is not a surprise, he is a sports broadcaster. And panco villa is a famous champion too, so for me it's no surprise
They never answered Max Kellerman's question though, mayweather had size, height and reach advantage, even refused to show his weight fight night. If you shrunk mayweather to pacquiao's size or other way around, if they were playing at even weight and size, pac would win
+Inno Irving Estrera yep...if mayweather was smaller than pac, pac would destroy him or even if same size...not just that but even 5 years earlier pac probably would've beaten mayweather...their best argument is that mayweather is undefeated and he beat a smaller p4p great...what happens if mayweather (who won so many world titles) goes up and fight ggg who people say hasn't fought quality opponents and mayweather ends up getting ko'ed....i guess ggg is the better p4p because he is still "undefeated" n be beat a smaller guy who people praised as "TBE"??
+forest282 LOL GTFOH.... Mayweather was fighting at 105 pounds at age 15 too... Mayweather actually signed the contract to fight Pacquiao in 2009/10... Pacquiao signed to fight Clottey and Margarito in Dallas
+forest282 Mayweather won more World Titles than Pacquiao 13-7, Won more world title fights than Pacquiao 27-15, defeated more world champions than Pacquiao 24-16, defeated more LINEAL Champions 6-3, unified more divisions than Pacquiao 3-0 and defeated Pacquiao in the ring...
He did hide his weight I swear I remember seeing that on fight night smh
cmoneyno5 bruh doesn’t matter if he fought at 105 at age 15 😂 he fucking grew
PACQUAIO is "The REAL GOAT!!!" Enough said!
@Derrick Woods well pacs the goat. mans 40 years old beating a prime thurman so shush
Mayweather goat of chickens lmao
He lost. Jackass
Pound For Pound, Pacquiao went up from (titles) 112 to 150, which is 38 pounds. Floyd went from (titles) 130 to 154, which is just 24 pounds. Manny was also an aggressive, athletic freak who was knocking out guys much bigger than him when he was in his prime. Throw in the fact that Pacquiao came from nothing in the streets of the Philippines, whereas Floyd was born and bred to fight (his dad and uncle were both pro fighters) and Manny is definitely better P4P.
+PhillyPhan Except.... Mayweather 13 world titles Pacquiao 7, Mayweather 27-0 in world title fights Pacquiao 15-4-2, Mayweather defeated 24 individual world champions Pacquiao 16, Mayweather unified 3 divisions Pacquiao ZERO, Mayweather retired LINEAL Champion at 147 and 154, Pacquiao only had one unification fight at 147 and never defended his 154 title.... Mayweather won ALL of the welterweight world titles.....
+cmoneyno5 I agree that you are a flomo
cmoneyno5 Obviously you didn't read my post.
+cmoneyno5
Dude, 750ml IV voided 49-0... Lance "Floyd" Armstrong being TBE is a blasphemy in sports..
+PhillyPhan Obviously your post doesn't matter
I agree, what Manny has done is incredible, a man his size taking on guys like Cotto, Bradley, Mosley, Margarito, etc is crazy. He not only competed well in that weight but beat all those guys. Floyd vs Manny, Floyd wins, but the best of this generation is Pacquaiao
still don't even see that Floyd won that tbh and he won't rematch as usual even with the shoulder question
+Ingo Castilho He was able to take on those guys because he was on steroids. The reason no flyweight has been able to have success at welterweight/junior middleweight is because no one can do it naturally. You take a guy that is probably one of the best small fighters ever, with unreal speed, pump him full of juice, and voila, you have Manny Pacquiao. He's looked average as hell and hasn't knocked out anyone since they started doing olympic testing for his fights.
terrence0258 k pacs the only boxer in the big leagues on peds? Lol
Ur insane if it was steroids g did he stun Floyd in the 4th and six round and Floyd made sure he was tested manny has always had a lightning left hand hand even at the beginning of his career he was knocking people out with the same punch
@@terrence0258is not a steroids idiot, it's a hardwork in training, don't accuse him without evidence, i just want you to know that Pacquiao is never failed in Nevada drugstest, he always fought clean fight, and never cheat on his opponnents, unlike your Floyd is cheater, his a PEDS user boxer, Floyd caught 3times in PEDS.
When he was on his prime he beat legends. Now that he is a Legend he is now beating primes.
The one and only 8 division world champion Manny 'PacMan' Pacquiao.
Manny won the fight Maywether is a cheat
Absolutely
@Derrick Woods mayweather has no honor as fighter who just keeps running a hugging his opponent and bribing the judges for the decision to be in his favor.
@Derrick Woods Mayweather is the undefeated champion who dodged Pacquiao in his prime and gave us a lot of boring fights. so 50-0 don't mean shit
@@patrickwinn9700 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 floyd beat that fool 10rds to 2. Give up
Mayweather is better in putting the audience to sleep
+KC A Pacquiao is better in getting put to sleep
+cmoneyno5 W
+cmoneyno5 😂😂😂😂
+KC A HAHAHAHA
+KC A Can't stop laughing man. you made my day...
Max Kellerman said he'll try to make it simple for the Floyd fan. Good luck with that shit. Max would need to write it with crayons on a giant piece of paper, in big letters and veeeery slowly...
Lmao!
+noel danseco - As opposed to brain dead Pac fans who refuse to admit the truth. They went hand to hand and Pac lost fair and square. In what fucked up world do you lose a fight to a guy and then some people think you are better than the guy that beat you?
+Tony Stewart Did you even watch the fucking video you idiot? Do you understand what P4P means?
+DLMiralles boxrec.com/records P4P Ratings
Verrewwyy swowwwwy! Lol
Max: Gives intelligent, insightful, and accurate reasons to back up his statements.
Camera guy: I disagree...
Lol. Cool story bro.
Flomos in a nutshell.
Bobo eh
@Derrick Woods them tell that to mr Bert Sugar that knows everything about boxing but never box.
Years from now, when the dust settles, when the two are either dead or very old, Max Kellerman's words will be the truth.
Manny Pacquiao's boxing legacy will always be greater than Floyd Mayweather's.
Highly doubt it.
Definitely not wtf lmaooo
@@tjadams1089 his still around and STILL makin history and here you are cant accept it. Lmaooo
@@tjadams1089 floyds 50 and 0 is not new in boxing history. you know what new? A Boxer who fought an mma fighter a karate kid and a youtuber. Thats new. Maybe floyd will remember in the future for this messed his makin in boxing. Hahhahhshshh
100%
Now that's what I call knowing your boxing!
Well said Max
@Derrick Woods You don't need to box to know about the sport lol
Pacquiao was a destroyer. Floyd is a guy who figured out how to win on points without him or his opponent getting hurt.
+Greg Falco So Mayweather's the better boxer is what you're saying
royhatts1
Well you certainly couldn't call him a fighter.
+Greg Falco - That is the dumbest shit I have ever heard in my life!!!!!!!!!!!! He is not a fighter? Have you seen Mayweather's early fights in his career? Do yourself a favor and check them out and then come back and apologize for that asinine comment. NUMNUT!!!!!!!!!!!
I've watched his career from the beginning (I'm old}......the only guy he's ever buzzsawed through was Angel Manfredy, and that was IN THE NINETIES.
Why do people keep saying did you see floyd early career fight? Stop going back to past we talking about now floyd change he scared now. Pacquiao early fights still destroying fighter and still now. See the difference pacquiao is the best.
I thought he was a wack job when I first heard this but he really convinced me with this argument. Pac really is better p4p
+Christian Bozwell
I couldn't find the other post you responded to me on so I'll respond to you here. YOU'RE BOTH BEING IDIOTIC (about putting down Max just because you don't like his opinion).
Btw, Max is NOT being a fanboy. I live in LA and Max on his LA radio show said that he thought Pac was better pound for pound right after the May-Pac fight. He's been saying this for a year now and on his local LA radio show where he would have no reason to promote Pac for HBO. Why can't it just be his honest opinion? And why do you have to put him down?
+Christian Bozwell
Facts are facts.
+Christian Bozwell
Facts are facts. He said that that after the May Pac fight. He could have changed his mind, if he actually already assessed their standing in boxing history. Send me the links where he's done that. He could have just changed his mind if he did have different opinions before. Why are you guys over-complicating all this?? Lol!
+Christian Bozwell
I accidentally pressed send after "facts are facts".
+Christian Bozwell
Well, you said you can give me the links in the past where Max had already assessed Floyds and Pac's place in history pound for pound. Where are the links? You said you'd provide the links!!! It's in FINE PRINT right above. LOL!!
Pacquiao has surpassed Mayweather. They're both greats but Pacquiao put himself in front with taking on every challenge there is and was. He never ducked no one and fought all the best matches out there and won from Mayweather's generation, and now taking on today's generation and winning. That's amazing..
no he didnt stop trolling
@Derrick Woods Floyd never beat Pacman. If u r honest and respect boxing as a true sport of spirit u wouldn't be speaking so. For ur kind information go check the slomo video of the match and see the strikes landed by Pacman and Floyd and have u ever wondered y Floyd never fought outta VEGAS. BETTAR THINK ABOUT IT
Dontae: I have to disagree with you on that Max.
Max: Who asked you? I'm sorry who're you again?
Is that the same Dontae from Dontae's Haters Nation? lmao
Floyd is confirmed to have done something illegal 750ml IV.. Thus, Lance "Floyd" Armstrong being TBE is a blasphemy in sports..
+loadfaster
You should get out of your cave sometimes.,.
loadfaster you're crazy WADA said it happened so did Nevada's Athtletic Commission. Floyd, even admitted it happened and just claimed it wasn't illegal...but we know that it was because the amount he took was over 50ml. And anything over 50ml needs to be administered as part of a hospital stay, etc. it's not like he took steroids. It was basically salt, water, and vitamin c...but the amount and manner in which he took it was CLEARLY illegal.
This was brutally honest lol. Flomos on suicide watch now LOL!
+Achilles Caezar Flomos on suicide watch ; I pee my self a little...Lol!
Lmao y’all are so pathetic Pacquiao lost to Floyd no matter how you slice it. Whatever a tv personality’s opinion is, when they got in the ring and fought against each other, Pacquiao lost and he, nor his delusional fans, will ever get that back.
@@mattj4362 Of course it matters how you slice it LOL. You have to be a casual to think otherwise. Floyd ducked him in his prime and he was the smaller fighters LOL! This is a fact. Even if it hurts you. Pacquiao was also injured and Floyd used illegal Ivys in that fight. Also FACT.
@@la-do-ra-ch6810 only casual is you who is so broken by your favorite fighter losing that you can’t give the man who beat him credit.
@@mattj4362 He's not my favorite fighter, casual. He's never been. I'm just stating facts, casual. Sorry to hurt your feelings.
can't really argue against what Kellerman's saying
+Ezra Newsome for sure, hes just saying its a much more impressive resume than floyds, dont know how interviewer couldnt get that,
+Patrick Tenorio beacuse pactard, 49-0, TBE, money. That's all the boxing knowledge of the average Mayweather fan.
procioneintubato World Titles Mayweather 13 Pacquiao 7.... Record in World Title fights Mayweather 27-0 Pacquiao 15-4-2, World Champions defeated Mayweather 24 Pacquiao 16... Record vs World Champions Mayweather 26-0 Pacquiao 20-5-2... Divisions unified Mayweather 3 Pacquiao 0.... Record in unification fights Mayweather 6-0 Pacquiao 0-2-2... Lineal Champions defeated Mayweather 6 Pacquiao 3..... Mayweather defeated Pacquiao in the ring.. Mayweather is well above Pacquiao... In Mayweather's last 33 fights 31 were against World Champions, Top 10 divisional opponents and/or P4P Top 20 fighters... Mayweather's resume is better than Pacquiao's as well..
+cmoneyno5 fighting in Vegas all the time and being juiced up. Mayweather's numbers mean nothing. He's another Lance Armstrong
Dro gon You got facts to support your statement?? The reason why he fought in Vegas for the last part of his career is because he was bound by contract to fight at the MGM it had nothing to do with drugs or cheating... Mayweather's exclusive deal allowed him to receive all the $$$ made from the live gate, concessions and memorabilia sold at the MGM during fight week...
Max is the best boxing analyst in the world today.
totaly agree.
Nah Paulie is a lot better
+loadfaster Paulie is bitter.
+Brian Cheng Teddy Atlas has forgotten more about boxing than Max ever knew.
+Brian Cheng Larry merchant is for me. But max is distinctive too
Perfectly stated Max. These Flomos can't seem to understand.
Pacquiao and Floyd are both great. It depends on where or what perspective you look at it.. in terms of winning championships from different divisions, KO percentage and number of fights - Pacquiao is Great. in terms of win-lose % (undefeated), punching accuracy and chin - Floyd is great.
They are both great. One can argue that since they both fought each other and floyd got a decision win, floyd is greater than Pacman...
That's the reason why Max Kellerman said "pacquiao is arguably the greatest in this era"
Everything he said is 100% true especially the Floyd mayweather fans part
People that think his hating on Floyd, aren't listening to what his actually saying.
Seriously. Maywether Jr. doesn't have losses on his record. Pacquiao does have MULTIPLE even when he beat Bradley all 3 times. Mayweather Jr. hasn't been knocked out. Pacquiao has been knocked out COLD. Mayweather Jr. lands more punches in higher percentages and has beat more world champions in a shorter period of time. When the two fought Mayweather Jr. won. Mayweather Jr. is a better fighter than Pacquiao overall even with more weight classes Pacquiao did. He got knocked out and loss against Mayweather Jr.... Ppl are mad that Flo makes mo money too.... Kellerman is a state of delusion. and denial at same time. Pacquiao is NOT a better figher than Mayweather Jr. PEACE OUT.
+wakeupworld100 - Nobody isn't saying Mayweather lost to Pacquiao. Again, you are not listening to what Max Kellerman's actually saying here. Seems like you are the delusional one here. PEACE OUT.
+wakeupworld100 didn't he lose in the Olympics
+John Mallqui He got robbed in the Olympics in the same fashion as Roy Jones Jr.
+cmoneyno5 doesn't matter a loss is a loss
How Floyd fans talk shit "49-0, TBE, your a casual and you don't know boxing"
undefeated or not there's no way you can say you've never seen a better fighter than Mayweather if you know boxing
+steve davis If you've only watched boxing for the past 7 years
+MOS exactly my point. That's not enough time or far enough back to call him the greatest cause in 7 years of watching boxing wouldn't really say you KNOW boxing
steve davis i've seen better fighters than mayweather like pac lol mayweather is a better boxer not fighter
+trenton downe record means nothing, when you fight fighter either before their prime or after their prime, especially if your specialty is defense.
I agree with Max 100% !
Christian Bozwell oh here we go...it's nothing to do with my name, race, colour, religion etc etc etc.
All my idols are black Americans.
Just think all Floyd was, was a great risk assessor. He was never unbeatable as a technical boxer.
Most of his big fights were timed out to ensure the victory.. He's got a crafted 49-0 resume : majority of his fights were against opponents past their prime. For me he didn't have the heart to be a fight, nor the skills to fight fair in the early rounds.
But was great at taking the hype out off a huge event & umph out of a opponent as soon as the bell rang.
Christian Bozwell 2006 to 2011 hence Floyd retiring. Maypac was most demanded by the fans after MayHat.
That's another thing with Floyd. One minute He uses his money veil to duck fighters "I can make 80 million fighting someone else" and the next he's using it to cherry pick past their prime over the hill fighters.
He claims he's for the fans. He's done nothing but spit in fans faces and rip them off.
+Christian Bozwell Dude u be just nitpicking it's not even funny. Rematch and trilogies are part of boxing tradition. Morales and Barrera are topnotch fights, viewership and sales proved fans wanted those coz they 4 sure will see a real fight, not a Dancing with the Stars when Floyd fought Baldomir. Who wants to see that shit? Give credit to Floyd for rematching Castillio, since everyone with half-a-brain knew Floyd lost the first one SMH.
+Tom Star Gazer Pacquiao fought Morales twice after Morales lost....
+Tom Star Gazer Mayweather unified 3 divisions, Pacquiao never unified a division.... Mayweather won 13 world titles, Pacquiao won 7.... Mayweather 49-0 Pacquiao 57-6-2.... Mayweather 26-0 vs world champions Pacquiao 20-3-2..... Mayweather 27-0 in world title fights Pacquiao 15-3-2.... Mayweather defeated 24 individual world champions Pacquiao 16.... Mayweather retired as LINEAL Champion at 147 and 154, Pacquiao only had one unification fight at 147 and he never defended his 154 title.... Mayweather never fought for an interim, minor or VACANT belt, Pacquiao won 8 interim, minor or VACANT belts.... Mayweather won all 4 147 titles without losing them in the ring, Pacquiao only had one unification fight at 147....
Max is gonna get physically attacked by that dontae guy.
+Torrente Murrieta The last 20 sec. of the video sums it up, for all the flomos out there....
Dontaes Flomonation
Right, donate one racist ass fucker, he only like black fighters and talks down on any superstar that isn't black
+Torrente Murrieta lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The guy who said: "I respectfully disagree with you" without giving any argument vs Max's points basically proved Max's points about Floyd's fanboys. Lol! Max makes a great point. If they were the same size, imagine that, Pacquiao would be scaring people at Welterweight. ANd Pacquiao would be moving up to middleweight to challenge bigger fighters. Lol!
Flomos be like "but he got more money tho"
+Adrian Medina Nice example. But really, anything that doesn't address any of the points are options for flomos.
+Adrian Medina More World Titles than Pacquiao, More World Wins and Fights, More Divisions Unified, Defeated More World Champions, Won All The Welterweight Titles while Pacquiao never unified any division, Defeated More LINEAL Champions than Pacquiao, Never fought for a vacant or interim title while most of Pacquiao's titles are vacant or interim titles...
cmoneyno5 yet all his fights are boring and only Flomos consider him the best
+Adrian Medina You're definitely an idiot.... Blaming Mayweather for being better than the top champions in the sport of boxing....
+Adrian Medina Getting KOed = better fighter??
Max has a bachelors degree in boxing, with honours in boxing history and finite details...
+Spiro Orfanos Max has a master's in contradiction with a BA in Fanboyism....
summa cum laude you mean
but flomos has all mayweather tapes up in there shelves, 0 knowledge in boxing history whatsoever
8 division world champion5 division lineal champion3rd boxer in history to win genuine world titles in three of the original eight weight divisions of boxing3 time fighter of the year2 time best fighter ESPY award He is the longest reigning top-ten boxer on The Ring's pound for pound list
And lastly the FIGHTER OF THE DECADE for 2000
leeaaron villapez been knocked out 3 times
+The giant Troll - And your point is?
+Chaitan Reddy, There is no doubt that Floyd Mayweather is a hall of famer. No one is disputing that. If you look at the title it say "Epic explanation by Max Kellerman on why Pacquiao is greater than Mayweather"...... Not whether Floyd is only a good fighter or great fighter, or hall of famer........But whether Pacquiao was greater. You're making massive leaps and then ended with "fucking casuals"....... It is arguable whether Pacquiao was greater than Floyd Mayweather "pound for pound". And Max made a good point, Pacquiao is naturally smaller than Mayweather. We are afterall talking about "pound for pound".
Personally I think pound for pound is a bullshit term.
P4P is a bullshit term because people usually don't know what it means. SRR won fights in multiple weight divisions and was dominant despite size and that's why that term was brought. Who is the best fighter REGARDLESS of weight divisions. How does one prove that? Fighting at multiple weight divisions. So many people like Chaitan Reddy above didn't even understand Kellermans argument even though he explained it extremely clearly.
If we cloned Floyd and the original had this career his had now and the clones career would be as follows --> Moves up in weight to 160 to fight GGG wins the fight defends belts against Danny Jacobs and loses a close decision, then moves up to light heavyweight and beats Andre Ward then defends the belt against Sregey Kovalev succesfully and then fights Anthony Joshua at heavyweight and get's knocked out in a tough fight. The clone Mayweather has losses in his resume but this clone would be the better P4P fighter than the original.
No, pound for pound is a bullshit term because it's all subjective. It's purely based on opinion and they always look at the smaller boxers simply because they are "multi-weight division champions". But when you consider that there is only 8 pounds difference between a Super-Bantamweight and two divisions up at Super-Featherweight. (Three weight divisions and four recognised world governing bodies).
That means there is 12 major world title belts available to a Super Bantamweight boxer who only needs to put on 8 pounds and have the opportunity to become a 3x multi-weight division champion, without even fighting the best in those divisions. Then it's not surprising that Mayweather and Pacquiao are "multi-weight division champions". Meanwhile David Haye won a heavyweight title strap back in 2009 and gave up 100 pounds of weight against Nikolai Valuev and no one bats an eyelid, because it's heavyweight.
floyd never unified the belts while Manny did it multiple times. floyd was loafing
+triplenaruto1 Actually it's the opposite, Mayweather unified 3 divisions, Pacquiao never won a unification fight in his career.... Mayweather won all 4 welterweight world titles in his career while Pacquiao never won a unification fight in his career.... Mayweather retired as LINEAL and unified champion in two divisions... Pacquiao only had one unification fight at welterweight.... Pacquiao never defended his world titles at 135 and 154 or his minor belt at 140...
+triplenaruto1 Pacquiao is 0-2-2 in unification fights...
+cmoneyno5 the people he beat to get all his titles at 147 besides a one armed pac weren't that good. plus Pacquiao didn't fight for belts but he did fight p4p fighters a lot more. but u r right he although u could argue that both the draws should have went to pac and even made a case on how he won the Floyd fight
+Daniel B. Are you serious??? Please tell me you're joking???
If most people all around the world think Pacquiao won, not just casuals either so don't say that then you DEFINITELY can.
he's talking about pound-for-pound not who's best head to head we all saw that fight Mayweather clearly won he makes a good argument!
Nice to see some people know about boxing
He mention Pancho Villa! Im crying.. I search about him years ago. One of the greatest Filipino Boxer. Thank you.
Dude knows his shit. Got to give money his dues though for what he achieved.
+chanhuor A history major knows his shit?? Right
+nexttvmarketing I'm sorry bro, not sure where your getting at since knowing history is the basis of the present and future. So knowing history on any subject is beneficial. Now than again what each individual perceives as truths or facts is purely subjective, but he clearly can back up his rationale regardless if he's wrong or right. Can you say the same? If you can that's great and kudos to you. Have a great night.
This is how you shut someone up without cussing. Kudos man.
I can easily but is it really worth the time? The low class pacquiao fans are not really boxing fans...I get it their supporting there fellow countryman but they have do so in a very low class racist way...not considering that black people are number one in sports, music , dance and sex...everyone knows that...
Flomo's getting butt hurt LMAO
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+jukijunk people disagreeing with kellerman's position obviously do not understand the term P4P.
+Nick Nixon typical response form a mayweather fan when they have nothing logical to say they result to insults lol. Mayweather fans don't know anything about boxing besides mayweather himself lol
+Nick Nixon First they hate Max for the interview after the MayPac fight and now they ready to gobble up all his kids.
+drumslanga352 do u have a legitimate argument about his point??? Lol
Max is the best commentator of all time. He is not racist and only speaks the truth
I am totally agree with this argument is just simply logic. MORE accomplishment in pacquiao than floyd , and Duran than leonard. they both have more greatness than his rivals because they were not in the advantage position. and they succeed
62 people killed themselves RIP
Lmfao.
+John Derman 210 now
lol
257 now and counting...
258 now
Much love Max. Respectfully dismissing them after spending his valuable time and masterfully answering questions for willfully ignorant people.
0 loss 0 guts, i don't know why you guys comparing pacquiao to mayweather... Mayweather is a boring boxer that cant even hurt his opponent,. Pacquiao never duck anybody and he destroys his opponent win or loss... You consider mr cheap shot and hug a best fighter? If you think its all about winning is the best. Then think again.
+the rang Except.... Mayweather fought nearly twice as many world champions, won nearly twice as many world titles, unified 3 divisions while Pacquiao unified ZERO, Mayweather won ALL of the welterweight world titles, retired LINEAL Champion at 147 and 154 while Pacquiao never defended his titles at 135, 140 or 154
+cmoneyno5 it wasnt just me who's saying pacquiao is the G.O.AT , ask the boxing community... Hall of famers, boxing analysts, historians, i hope it will light up your mind brother....
+the rang Lol keep believing a lie
+cmoneyno5 says who? The keyboard genius?
+the rang Not using a keyboard.... But you got the genius part correct
MAX KELLERMAN said Mayweather is the best fighter from 147 division down in another video.
Kellerman contradict his statements all the time.... Not too many people catch it because he's clever with his words
He also said he knew he would beat pacquiao and said he prefers pure boxers like Mayweather . it's not him contradicting himself , he just believes pacmans accolades equal a greater legacy than floyds.
Its because of HBO payshis bills and they hate Floyd
You missed his point. Pacquiao isnt naturally a 147lber. Im not going to articulate the point, if you can't figure it out, you're being dishonest, or you're special.
+Ginger Jaguar floyd and pacquiao are both small
This is an example of an intelligent person, never loosing cool in spite of disagreement
I bet you 110% that FLOMOS and PACsHATER hated this man now!!! LOL!!! can't blame him for telling the TRUTH! I guess this man got bigger balls than Manny.
I enjoy hearing Max speak. I think he is a solid brotha
Check out the rack at 1:15. Much better than watching Max's rambling, but he is right :)
This argument is even more valid now that the Pacman is facing Thurman, Flomos!
These are actually very good analysis by Max and questions by reporters. What is always missing is the boxer’s continued education and their preparation thereof, in terms of the angular growth. Angular growth is uncommon to earth because by and large all boxers are known to having one trainer and never were and are taught by several (educators who bring out and refine talent continuously, as in without a ceiling). These engineers create schematic designs to infuse boxing’s infinite science to develop the pugilist in various angles. An automobile has four sides. The psychology, center of gravity balance and comprehension of a pugilist also have four sides. Floyd is not a great pure boxer because he N E V E R took challenges from his apex rivals on their best day. Missing are Antonio Margarito in 2006. Paul Williams in 2008. Manny Pacquiao From 2009 to 2014. During these periods Mr. Mayweather chose lower risk opposition consistently. He also fought Mr. Mosley late. He had Mr. Alvarez come down in weight. He paid a weight penalty to lighter weight adversary in Mr. Marquez. When one reviews Marvelous Marvin Hagler’s career there are no leaks. As with Sugar Ray Leonard and Mr. Duran. Floyd’s career is full of leaks. No bank honours a portion of a counterfeit check. By Way Of The Christ to Coach Hilario Copyright 2019
The only 8 division world champion in history.
The only 5 division "lineal" champion in history.
The "oldest" welterweight world champion in history.
The only congressman-to-senator and a world champion in history.
3x Fighter of the Year.
Fighter of the Decade.
Fought 44 Title fights and beat 9 undefeated fighters. (as of July 20, 2019).
Fitness Fanatic lol he only was in 25 world titles fights... but everything else is good 😅
@@Kevin-zj9rn Brothe, what's your reaction of last night fight between Mayweather Jr vs a Pokemon RUclipsr Logan Paul?
"Well I disagree max"
Damn, you told him!!
if you guys dont understand his argument, ten like he said you either dont know shit about boxin or just mayweaters fan n boys..he made 100% sense in his argument , i actually agree with him
+rootofallevi got love the logic, max has a very valid point.
+rootofallevi agreed, Welterweight, Junior welterweight, Lightweight, Super featherweight, Junior lightweight Super-featherweight (Mayweather), Featherweight, Junior featherweight, Super-bantamweight, Bantamweight, Junior bantamweight, Super-flyweight, Flyweight (Pacquiao).... Max does make a good point. Manny started 7 weight classes below floyd. Floyd is great, but Manny is smaller than floyd naturally. Manny was always punching above his weight class. How can anyone deny this?
+Stealth Sounds
Cos Mayweather is undefeated (sigh) or if you say manny is the greatest you assume floyd isn't great or you are a hater
The fact that Pacquiao was a big name as Floyd, without actually selling his fights by selling his soul just to make controversy to sell fights, is a statement of how of an amazing fighter he is back then. He doesn't need to sell those fights, his fights alone is just enough
It's funny I can hear some of the media ppl questions that do videos on RUclips YTBC, I won't mention names. You had a chance to rebuttal what Max Kellerman said like they try to in videos.And as Soon as they're a few inches away from the man with a mic and a camera. Their only answer is "I degree" GTFOH
***** yup Loool and If he's there i know DBN right there at his hip too, so where was the real questions when it was needed huh? Max must be on the coincidental list Lol
max has forgotten more about boxing than most people will ever know about it
That's why Pacquiao is the greatest of our era, one of the all-time greats. He did what nobody else did, or could do. He's a natural flyweight who has no business fighting against welterweights and yet he was dominating almost everyone. The fact that he lost even a close fight to floyd says enough that Pacquiao's legend is greater. Floyd sits comfortably at a weight class he's always had the advantages in. We don't see floyd taking any risks and challenges and trying to take on bigger stronger guys. As I always said, YOU ARE ONLY AS GREAT AS THE ADVERSITY YOU FACE. Pacquiao's boxing adversity scale is like 10x greater than floyd's. Hence, Pacquiao > Mayweather.
he's not a natural flyweight you git
You obviously don't know boxing.
i'm a national champion in the amateurs, eat that shitface
more embarassment to you then that you didn't know pacquiao was a natural flyweight.
ask him to go down to flyweight today he'd die of hunger stupid
I totally get Max's arguement and its valid. When you look at things from that perspective it's makes sense. This is coming from a guy that believes Floyd defeats Manny 10/10 prime or not.
I'm no Flomo but...the problem is counterpunchers are Pacquiao's nemesis. The old adage is styles make fights. Even if Pacquiao and Mayweather were exactly the same size, Mayweather has the perfect style to beat him. BUT prime vs prime, as a fan, I'd rather watch the aggressive more entertaining Manny over Floyd...any day. So glad that the lighter weights kept Boxing alive...
Max is one of the best personalities in boxing. Is sad how Mayweather fans just threw hate because they disagree, but didnt put an explination as clever as This one.
he never defeat the pacman thats the reason got booooed by the fans who saw the actual fight! and everytime they crossed fhier path his ego is degrading and he cant hide it still bear and linger in his mind that the pacman beat him in deeds!
These interviewers swears by Floyd.
8 division world title is a lot harder to accomplish than being undefeated.
That’s crazy, this video is from 7 years ago and pacquiao is still an active boxer beating down the new generation, the greatest boxer of this era.
Max Kellerman keeping it real and not on Floyd's junk. Thanks Max!
Don't agree here. Pacquiao wasn't at his best at flyweight he got ko'd twice, then jumped to superbantam. Floyd was fighting at around 130 when he started. Pacquiao was weight drained, at flyweight, so probably should have started at around 125. Not so different. Would Floyd have drawn with Manuel Marquez at Featherweight or lost to Erik Morales at SuperFeather?
+MrWizzleTeets pacquiao couldn't make the minimum weight division when he started boxing he was so poor that he was under 100 pounds, he admitted he had to put coins in his pants to make weight when he started boxing
Absolute crap.
Duran obliterates floyd at any weight, i know you can agree with that
Don't you think that Duran would be a bit befuddled like he was against Leonard, De Jesus and Laing? He didn't seem to fair very well against these fast spoiler types and Floyd was/is king of the spoilers. The greatest spoiler of all time maybe!
This was the second match.
Did you forget how finished the first Duran Leonard?
Both better than money maker.
to people who believe that floy is better than pac what is this?
Pacquiao made history by being the first boxer ever to win world titles in eight weight divisions, having won twelve major world titles, as well as being the first boxer to win the lineal championship in five different weight classes.
if it's true that floyd is better than pac, why does pac have that title? why?
Max Kellerman is an awesome guy! He does make sense!
Pacquiao > IV'ayweather
+SuperBoxing999 Pacroid
+drumslanga352 yeah pacroid is greater than gayweather
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+drumslanga352 Fluid Pedweather Jr
Someone You wish lol
Max's explanation is so clean and clear,, i dont think there will be another 8 division champion ever..
Flomo be like. Max hate Mayweather
great video. agree with max totally.
Fanboy asks for analysis of why Max thinks Pacquiao is better overall than Mayweather... Max gives his analysis... Fanboy says that that Max is wrong... Great work.
At 16 years old Mayweather won the golden gloves at LIGHT-FLYWEIGHT
At 16 years old Pacquiao turned pro at LIGHT-FLYWEIGHT
So the weight is not a argument and Mayweather beat pacquiao because of his superior technique and ring IQ not because he was supposedly the "bigger" man!
+Gaël C it is because he's the bigger man...exactly what max was saying....if mayweather didn't have the reach to control his range then pac would be all over his ass...don't matter the superior technique and ring IQ...you thing mayweather can use those advantages against a much bigger guy like ggg, ward, kovalev or hopkins??? and why not if size didn't matter??
+forest282 reach and size are totally different! Rances barthelemy IBF lightweight champ is taller and 3" longer than GGG but Golovkin is at least twice bigger!
The only argument of Kellerman is that Pacman turned pro at lightflyweight and Mayweather at superfeatherweight. But if Mayweather had turned pro at 16 like pacquiao, it would have been at lightflyweight too! so his only argument doesn't work..
when they fought, they weighted both 152 lbs fight night. Mayweather is a taller and longer BUT he is not bigger. And pacquio beat taller and longer fighter like algieri, margarito, de la hoya so Mayweather must have something more, no? like ring IQ and technique?
yes mayweather has ring IQ and technique...you didn't hear max saying it's because he has the size to oppose his skill against the smaller man in manny pacquiao? of course manny beat algieri, margarito and so forth whom were bigger and taller than him but they aren't great fighters like manny and floyd...in the case of manny and floyd...it's the saying of the bigger great man always usually beats the great little man...floyd is naturally and physically bigger, taller and longer than manny despite the same weight of fight night...oscar was about the same weight as manny the night they fought but look who was still the bigger guy that night?...those are floyd's main advantages over manny...there's a limit with ring IQ if the other guy is much bigger than him like for instance if floyd was to fight ggg or ward...and if you look at it the other way around if manny had the same speed and skills as he does right now and is the same size and ggg...floyd would easily get his ass kicked despite his ring IQ
He related to Aaron Rodgers by any chance?
When Max speak, everyone listen
Prime vs prime, Manny would KO Floyd. You gotta remember that Manny's atricion affected his punching power much more than Floyd's affecting his defense. If Floyd fought Manny the same year Manny TKO'ed Miguel Cotto, he's lucky to reach the 8th round.
yall said that years ago and with canelo and others didnt happen
I respect this man for calling the sport I love so much as honest as it gets. There's no bias or ball dangling in his mind. He keeps it real and most Mayweather fans can't be realistic enough to say he's not the greatest of all time. I'll give him one of the greatest but far from the absolute. Much respect to Mayweather but if anyone knows boxing and clearly max does, then you can't put Mayweather ahead of a lot of fighters from the past even with the undefeated record.
+steve davis As as honest as it gets? You do realise he's a HBO boxing commentator, right?,,lol.
+dan theman I do but the things he's saying are undeniable. I've been a boxing fan and into mix martial arts my whole life and knowledge is knowledge. he's not speaking from a bias place but true facts about the sport. No one's opinion can trump facts my good sir
steve davis He's a HBO commentator, so he's biased towards HBO fighters, my good sir.
not at all and your apparently a Mayweather fan and don't really know boxing enough to speak on it cause when all else fails you'll keep repeating the same thing as if that's gonna change any of the facts spoken in normal convo. we're done here move my man. we both know the truth and he's not the greatest ever period!!
steve davis But Pacquiao is the greatest ever though, right, but I'm sure you're not biased though...lol.
One of the guy said, I disagree with you and no words to back it up...
Does anyone know how many Mayweather fans have committed suicide since this video came out?
+sil8ty01 Zero bc Mayweather fans actually know shit about boxing and know that Max is an HBO guy, this is a HBO aligned analysis. Any true boxing fan knows Floyd is far and away the best of this generation regardless of what a guy who has never stepped in the ring to fight says.
Haha Floyd Fans Only Care About What Happens In The Ring Where Floyd Dominated Pacman!! End Of Story u could cry all day.. it won't change 49-0 ;)
+Spinal Erectors GTFOH
@@brmillgr yes right PAC is the greatest
He forgot that those titles PacMan won were at catchweights
stop making excuses if floyd fought margarito he would make margarito gloves so big and try to run all night long pac stood up against margarito floyd cant even stay few seconds in front ofcoralles
pacman is the greatest "Fighter" - a boxer that looks to KO his opponents.. (8 Division world champion) got 5 losses (3 KOed)
Floyd is the greatest "Boxer" - a boxer who looks to win on points without hurting himself. (5 Division world champion) Undefeated in his professional career.
+Roland Tecson - Finally we have a winner!!!!! That is the most intelligent analogy that I have read on this post. Why can't all fans see it the way you described it? Because that is exactly true!!!!!!!!!!
+Tony Stewart do not interact with people who ignore logic. "The problem isn't that Johnny can't read. The problem isn't even that Johnny can't think. The problem is that Johnny doesn't know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling"
- Thomas Sowell
+Roland Tecson this is a good point, ignoring the fact that pac is smaller.
+Brnki S the ref cheated when pac rocked floyd; I have no idea how they got away with it. it is on video =o
+Roland Tecson AND HE HAS DONE EXACTLY NOTHING SINCE THE STEROID ISSUE BECAME PUBLIC...
The people who say that floyd is the greatest p4p ever don't know SHIT about boxing period.
Max is absolutely bang on the money. You have to look at their records and see not just who they beat, but when. Pacquiao has better fighters on his resume and at peaks of their career.
Super-featherweight Floyd > Super-featherweight Pac
But the Pac who dismantled Cotto *might* have been invincible.
Floyd and Pac in 09 would have been the greatest fight of all time.
+Lee SOG True.. If you look at Floyd's performance against Marquez that year (throw the weight advantage out the window since Floyd was off for 21 months), that would've been incredible. The purses wouldn't have been as big though, which is where Floyd's mind was. I think he beats Pacquiao regardless, and I liked Pacquiao at the time (I recently stopped being a fan of his because of the homophobic remarks he made, but that doesn't effect how I feel about him as a fighter). I hope Ward-Kovalev and GGG-Canelo make up for Mayweather-Pacquiao as far as action goes, although as a fan who appreciates pure boxing, and as an amateur fighter, I enjoyed that fight.
Pac win Barrera, Marquiz and Morales when he was a featherweight. Those are 3 legends. Who did Mayweather beat when he was a featherweight? Mayweather beat some good fighters but no legends.
+Dizo4Shizo 209 Mayweather fought at super featherweight (130 pounds) not featherweight (126 pounds)
+cmoneyno5 PAC fight Barrera, morale and Marquiz super featherweight in the rematch with all of them. That 3 future Hall of Famers.
+Dizo4Shizo 209 Mayweather has defeated more future and current Hall of Famers
Bring Paulie M into this convo lol
+xxx22mike22xxx Kellerman will DESTROY Malignagi.
at the end of the day when it's all said and done people will always talk about a throwback fighter in pacquiao
Pacquiao fought at those weights in his teens. When Mayweather was in his teens he was the same weight. It just happens that Mayweather went pro at a later age. Whose to say if Mayweather had have gone pro when he was 15, he would probably have won titles at Bantamweight on up. Max is great in interviews though
+TheIrishny We are dealing with facts. Mayweather has never done it at age 15...and it's not at bantamweight..it's even smaller..at flyweight.
So I can make a very detailed explanation as to why Pacquaio is greater and in fact, I think its more sensible to compare him to other truly great fighters, not someone like Floyd who exclusively hand picked fights vs guys past their prime and exclusively fought with a run away style. If you want greatness, you must RISK greatly to profit greatly. Not talking money, talking honor here.
What I won't do though, that Max did, is let some guy reply to all that with 'I disagree' and then just say ok. No, every time I will say, ok, let's hear your detailed, fact filled argument, and wait for the entertainment to start. Because that's where you win - the guy trying to make that argument will either show that he 1. doesn't know Floyd 2. Doesn't know boxing or 3. cannot let facts inform his opinion instead of just his feelings that 'Floyd's his guy'. He will pretty much always devolve to namecalling, calling you a hater or racist or whatever(lol, I'm not Pacquaio's race either, dude), because end of the day, there are just very few facts behind defending Floyd's approach to picking his fights, or how he fights.
Floyd defenders fall apart really quickly because they know deep down the guy has no courage, in a sport where courage is the most admirable trait of all.
Freight Train Floyd is the better pure fighter 🤷🏽♂️ manny is great yes🦶🏾
@@Kevin-zj9rn accomplishment-wise and being the better P4P Fighter Pacquiao wins
Pac thought he'd win as many others believed bc he throws many punches from various angles however Floyd proved its how you avoid punches and when you throw them. Floyd mastered the Mayweather shoulder roll and the only thing that beats it is speed and IQ if he's got roll the shoulder then fucking hit the shoulder you kill two birds with one stone you're getting contact hits and causing injury. Freddy Roach didn't train him well bc I'd fuck his shoulder up with left hooks then pop an overhand right to the face.
I remember 10 years ago when Floyd tried everything and any kind of excuses to fight the then 30 year old very Prime and distructive Manny Pacquiao. He knows Manny style will caught up on him so when Floyd sees the moment of Pac's dipping performance that's when he ask for the fight
Thats his opinion dawg !
The deference between manny and floyd is manny is epitomy of boxing is all about! Mayweather is not. Because Mayweather is kind of boxer that he pick his opponents and focus to zero and focus to getting much money. That's why many of his fight is very boring to my opinion. I watch old school boxing and i feel Mayweather is not the kind of boxer that willing to die on the ring to fight, manny is deferent cause manny is willing to fight everybody win or lose, cut and bruised. That's for me a meaning of boxing. To fight whatever he takes. Mayweather is good defensive fighter and earn alot of money. But he didn't know the meaning of boxing or what is the purpose to be a boxer. That's my opinion guys don't mad at me. I'm young but i watch boxing alot so i know boxing as a watcher and Listener's.
"WAAAAAH, MAX KELLERMAN DUN LIKE FLOYD! HE RACIST! WAAAAAAAHHHHH!" - All Flomos
Being dishonest is believing PacMan moved from Flyweight to Jr Middleweight naturally.
maybe. but if you throw that accusation, all the other fighters maybe
guilty as well. frm who did this steroid abuse accusation came frm? right...