How Much Does Plastic Change Stability? 9 Disc Comparison!
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
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Trash Panda has a cool video showing how variations in the molding parameters can change the shape of a disc. The final shape is the result of complex interactions between mold speed, hold time, injection pressure, temperature, hold times, the plastic, and others. My hypothesis is that sometimes changing the plastic without altering the molding parameters can result in a different final shape and thus alter the flight characteristics.
Yup, I'm a QA for injection molding. Things like temperature variations while stored and humidity can change plastic characteristics also.
Out of nowhere but, I would love to see more videos about Westside Discs! ✌🏼
The more the variation in discs, the more money the disc maker makes. Managing the variation chaos is the key to stay in business but still have enough to keep the consumer searching for that one. Hero's like you arent their friend.
Yes more Clash please! I would also say to try a 175g+ Champ Metal Flake Teebird for your forehand.
I think a really cool video is to choose one mold from every (or as many as you wanted) manufacturer and get 5 of the same mold in the same plastic and check for stablity differences. Maybe make sure they are all different runs but same plastic.
I learned this early in my disc golf journey when I switched some of my DX Innova starter discs to Champion or Star plastic when upgrading or replacing a disc. In almost all cases the premium plastics were noticeably more over stable. I can get a S turn out of a DX Destroyer but a Star one is a meat hook.
You should try Wraith in premium plastic and also lighter weight. 160g-ish Wraith and Destroyer are completely different discs. I recommend to pick ones with huge dome.
The out takes are so relatable.
I had heard that plastic affect flight but I figured it was something to do with the drag from the plastic against the air or something, I hadn't considered they could have completely different shapes. I had no idea plastic was so finicky, I thought the whole point of the mold was to make everything the same!
Another aspect to think about when it comes to different plastics is also human error. Innova is a solid example. I bag Destroyers in a few different plastics. The champion one is more overstable than the star Destroyers that I bag, but I've found that if I use a good grip chalk, the champion flies a lot more like the star ones. I attribute that to the champion plastic being less grippy, therefore, gets less RPMs than the star plastic.
Drag in air has no effect but as different plastics it wears out at different pace it kinda has effect. Plastic affects the weight distribution (not necessarily uniform across flight plate and rim), flexibility (more flap = more drag), shape as process (molding, cooling) is harder to control with some plastics leading to more variability in shape. Some plastics shrink more when they cool which twists the disc, and that is really hard to control. Check trash panda and smarter every day for newly videos about the process.
@@Gynan I've heard from another manufacturer that the was just no attention to detail at all to the process some 10+ years ago. Nowadays proper manufacturers buy plastics that are certified to have exact properties but in the old days they just bought some plastic that fits huge tolerance gap. As Innova is one of the older manufacturers it's obvious the manufacturer who said that meant Innova. European manufacturers have been in that sense good from the very beginning but of course there has been some experiments on plastics before getting it right.
Trash Panda disc golf just put out a really interesting video on the mold processing changing flight! It's pretty wild how different the same mold with the same plastic can turn out.
You should try a metal flake roadrunner I got one that was crazy beefy. Not even remotely close to any other roadrunners. ...And I have thrown a few roadrunners 😅.
Good video with good info! and I always enjoy the bloopers at the end...haha
Love the vids and how indepth your videos go. Only suggestion is Timestamps so we can go back and review discs we're interested in. Much Love
lol love the purple "ad" bar timer @2:09
Sometimes its the little things that matter haha
Try the Sunny Cookie, board flat an MUCH more OS than the other Cookies . . .the best FH disc i have ever thrown
My seasoned Steady Cookie flies like a 7/5/-0.5/1.5 on my forehand. Perfect since my natural release is slight hyzer.
My goal this year was to build an Innova PFN bag to get an idea how their stuff used to fly because a lot of people say their discs dont fly like they used to.
Currently in my bag is big stamp PFN champ Sidewinder and a idye champ tour series Kat Mertsch Sidewinder. For me, they dont fly any different. Tons of glide, reliable fade. Neither fly under stable like the numbers suggest but its champ plastic and they dont have a ton of throws just yet.
Also highly suggest the Clash discs TONE line, it is amazing and has interesting gyro and flight
I have all three of the ocean waste blends as well. You’re spot on with the base plastic. However I think the other two are opposite. The swirly Atlantic in my hands is more stable and the ocean waste pacific was straighter. Interesting.
The sea turtle premium throws were at very different heights. It would be great if you guys did a few throws each time and take the two that are the most similar.
Missed PS Tempo, grabbed eclipse tempo, and was wondering if i needed to get a PS as a different flight. Thanks for clearing that up. lol
I need a sea 🐢!!
Yes you do 🌊🐢🥏
I have a JK Halo Roadrunner in the bag for my go-to forehand laser beam disc because it is so unbelievably beefy that I couldn't call it understable - it's a straight disc. Hardly any flip on it with my forehand, even with a backhand it's more like a -2 at it's worst. I throw about 400 feet tops for reference.
My proton (non-soft) Hex flies more like a 5/5/0/1
I have two Elite Z FLX Nukes (and a Ti Nuke, 2 OS:es and a soft SS). The other one is beefier than a (worn) OS, the other one flies great for a distance shot.
The problem: Both are almost identical in color being Neon Yellow! Ok, the other one is a shade greener...alas I never remember which one is which 😅
Proton and eclipse plastic is the same plastic. eclipse just has glow additive. Makes sense they fly very similarly
Get the James Proctor Sunny Cookie for your forehand.
Check out the resistor for that forehand fairway driver, Greg!
Was gonna suggest the same, definitely seconding this. Tho specifically a neutron one. Everyone seems to be forming their opinion on the resistor by the beefcake that is the eclipse resistor. Neutron resistor is the straight to stable version of crave/servo. The numbers of the resistor are just a little too intimidating but the slow speed makes it very controllable.
edit: and if the resistor by chance is not enough, you might want to check the volt instead!
I actually tried the Resistor and it was too shallow for me, I kept early releasing it
@@SixSidedDiscs The Volt is notably deeper and thicker in my hand, it's a little faster but more stable in comparison to the resistor so they go about the same distance for me
But is the sea turtle a pathfinder mold?!
This is a sad video to watch later today... when will I ever get to buy a "Stock" Tempo or just a run sold as "the plastic we sell it in"?! I am not partaking in pre-booking special releases or non-mystery-boxes, I want to buy a disc I can buy again and again only affected with the inconsistency of the actual runs, not seeing myself throwing an special disc with zero replacement-ability, unless its extremely cheap ofc.
It's harder for me living in Sweden ofc. when it's about MVP/Gateway as for americans with L64°/Kastaplast for some discs never imported to the US.
Glad you're still watching it because you might hear a comment with similar sentiment...
I agree with this whole heartedly. I love the tempo and I'll throw mine until I loose it and never replace it because I'm tired of searching for them. Why they slow roll certain discs drives me insane.
If there is an explanation aside from making it "special" (and thereby holding out to cash in more) I am ok, like the Electron variant of the Entropy took long time due to some issues with the shape, or that the L64° Sinus were extremely low succesrate doing in Premium-plastic with the thumbtracks and the older "process", but the Neutron Entropy and Baseplastic Sinus have been available aside from special runs and such. Will watch in a few, just gotta feed and put the kids to sleep ;)
I throw my total eclipse Hex farther than my driver's 😭
That M4 sure looks like 500 plastic