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The Batman Game That Became Shadow of Mordor - Game History Secrets
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Today on Game History Secrets we talk about the cancelled Batman game that became Shadow of Mordor. The project was worked on by Monolith Productions, and was intended to be based in the world of Christopher Nolan's Batman. Although cancelled, concepts from the game found there way into Shadow of Mordor, and Batman was even a placeholder main character during the game's development.
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"No one will want to play as a dwarf or elf" may be the most out of touch thing ever said by an executive.
@ for me it's only because of shit weapon selection for elves and dwarves in a lot of games.
kudisgod
It was probably due to focus testing. The exec probably noticed elf and dwarf leads doing worse for sales than humans
@@derwanker1090
What games care what race you're playing as when it comes to weapon selection?
They've certainly never played D&D before, that's for sure.
I mean, I personally don't play as elves or dwarfs because I like to approach fantasy settings with the context we're all familiar with of being humans and experiencing/interacting with fantastical races from the point of view as the outsider. But I would never think to deny anyone else that option, that's stupid.
That's funny, because Shadow of Mordor already played a lot like Arkham City (Albeit crossed with a bit of Assassin's Creed)
When Shadow of Mordor was introduced, Monolith was accused by former Ubisoft employee Charles Randall of using assets (such as the protagonist-animation code) from Assassin's Creed 2. Monolith responded that all their project's assets were developed from scratch, they had confidence in their originality, and the game was based upon the Nemesis system.
That's exactly what I thought. Its funny that they claim the combat for Shadow of Mordor evolved from their Nolan Batman prototype, because it implies that their Nolan Batman game basically had the same combat as the Arkham series. Things probably worked out for the best with them translating that to a different IP.
@@icantthinkofaname1009 Honestly, I'd love to see the Nemesis system introduced into a super hero title.
It makes a lot of sense honestly.
Thats probably why Shadow of Mordor made me feel like Batman
I mean, “Shadow of Mordor” doesn’t sound too far off from Batman’s personality
One does not simply walk into Gotham.
Nope. You have to initiate an elaborate scheme that establishes your gimmick and unique personality compulsions that require professional help.
There is evil there and it does not sleep.
That’s honestly a really cool quote.
One runs out so they can live on a farm in Missouri and not get their ass gassed by a clown scarecrow double team.
Batman is the best Lord of the Rings character
Sauron: "Do you know how I got these scars?"
Lion King
I remember the disappointment when I asked my local game store about a dark knight game after recently getting the batman begins game for my birthday. He promptly showed me the game Informer that revealed Arkham asylum.
I hope the disappointment vanished when you first started playing the Arkham games
A batman game with Nemesis system, that would be perfect
imagine encountering the villains as warchiefs.
Panohiro
Would probably be weird if Batman kept losing to them and they kept mentioning it
@@FraserSouris not at all batman also looses fights
Fraser Souris what if instead of particularly "losing a fight" it would ne handled as a villan encounter but not the "final" encounter. It would be like how you fight a villian multiple times before they are defeated
This could really make sense. Classic crime families like the Falcones could provide lower tier leaders and the costumed villains could hold the elite chief spots. Batman isn’t always facing marquee baddies, anyway.
@@akram591
Yeah, but if Batman were to go down to a normal thug....
I seriously wish the enemy AI gameplay from Shadow of Mordor had been implemented into the Mad Max game we got, as I feel it would've fit really well into that world, probably more so than Batman. Monolith was rumored to be working on a Mad Max game at one point too, before it was developed by Avalanche.
Mad max is a very good game flawed but good.
I would have spent 90$ on it if they did.
That is a sweet idea
I purchased Mad Max on Steam for $5 cause I heard it was similar to the Batman games. I love the Arkham and Mordor games, and Mad Max felt just as good
F.E.A.R.: The Scarecrow Rises
That's actually pretty good idea for a game focused on Scarecrow. From when he's just a normal guy up until his first encounter with Batman
I kinda want to live in the alternate reality where an Aquaman game becomes Cyberpunk 2077
With a cyberpunk atlantis expansion
There actually was a Dark Knight Rises game, on mobile, so Nolan clearly gave his approval for that
Or they did it without him knowing.
@@BlazeHeartPanther lol that would be illegal
@@AndyGilleand you sure? I thought Batman belong to Warner Bros. They can do whatever they want with the character.
@@Ono_Michio batman does, but the specific dark knight version is owned in part by Nolan as well, and as the video states, anything using that version requires his permission
@@AndyGilleand I see. Thanks for the precision.
10:30 oh for the love of God, I rather play as a different race rather than humans all the time in FANTASY games.
But HOW would you be able to empathize with an elf and a dwarf tell me that. No one wants to play that
@@Bhalforii why you can't empathize elfs and dwarfs? did they hurt you when you were young? or maybe you're just racist?
@@jesfest5634 /woooosh
I don't really see the problem playing as a human in a fantasy game.
@@jesfest5634 Humans empathize for animals all the damn time I think we can do so for other fully sentient creatures just as easily.
WB is closed minded.
That dwarf and elf LOTR game sounds a bit like LOTR: War in the north
I really wish Monolith would make Batman Arkham Beyond
yes
snakefish18
and bring back the original actor of Batman Beyond
@@stevenmattrell3448 Will Friedle?
leoncrazyman07
Yes, thank-you. I couldn’t remember his name
Remember when the first gameplay footage of Shadow of Mordor dropped and everyone complained that it looked too much like Assassin's Creed and Arkham City merged together? Well now the latter comparison makes a lot of sense.
Wow, I had no idea Torvin had a backstory of his brother getting his own game. That's amazing.
Personally, i liked the Batman Begins game, i think with a little more developing time, it could have been an instant classic
I hate movie games but it was legit good
Well, the shadow part is kinda related to Batman, there's that much...
So we could've had a LotR game where we could play as an elf and dwarf but instead we have to play as a guy with the personality of dirt?
I like to pretend Talion is just Celebrimbor but with amnesia... it makes Talion a lot more bearable. In fact: I highly suspect that was the original plan(to just play as Celebrimbor with amnesia) but for whatever reason they backed out and decided you should just be some lowly ranger somehow possessed by a wraith with amnesia... which makes less sense.
XD you know what kind of people would be making articles on that XD
talions cool
"Monolith Productions is a studio based in Kirkland, Washington, which initially became known in the early 2000s for such titles as *_Tron 2.0_* ..."
and thus a collective anyeurism was held by Blood fans
Yeah, Monolith had released quite a few awesome games at that point. 🤷♂️
Never heard of tron 2.0 but I love blood.
0:35 Wow was that duel MP5's in FEAR?? Only lets me duel wield pistols
So we will ignore that the Dark Knight Rises mobile game which had a full open world, usable batmobile and random events. Cool
Oh man I remember someone sending in a letter to the Giant Bomb podcast years ago talking about this. Crazy to see it confirmed.
Lucinice This was actually what prompted me to do this video and look into it.
Why didn't anyone pick up that first Lord of the Rings game? That looked awesome too... :(
remember played batman begins for the batmobile bit, think criterion might had something to do with that part and for a tumbler fan it was kinda cool.
I loved the Batmobile levels. They were awesome
Well, the Tumbler sections are pretty much Burnout.
Tumbler?
@@deviantartguy0 The Batmobile is called "Tumbler" in the Nolan films.
That elf and dwarf game concept sounded pretty cool. Too bad they scrapped the idea.
John O ́neil True but LOTR War of the North is really similar.
@@Crimsonstar23 I was thinking about it as well. That game is pretty good
@Ratko Mladic why
I genuinely hope Monolith will continue with LOTR games. I loved Shadow of Mordor, and once the microtransactions were taken out of Shadow of War and it was rebalanced, i also loved SOW. I really hope they get to continue in the world of Tolkien.
I’d love to see a ‘Shadow of Morder-Shadow of War’-type game where criminals fight among themselves and rise up in different criminal factions while Batman gets involved, interspersed with Batman villains.
The way he says batman. *chuckles
The Batman game that became a Batman game.
I was really bummed there was never a "The Dark Knight" video game adaptation.
Where did all the concept art in the video come from? Specifically concepts for the LOTR materials, especially the UI elements. Is it from some artbook I can't find?
3:07 "Bathman"
Man this makes me wish we got that Batman game. I love the Arkham games but man I would’ve loved this.
Taterslam057
Nah. I’m more skeptical on it.
Firstly, Gameloft made a tie in game on the TDKR with the open world and the like on iOS. It didn’t seem all that impressive
Secondly, Verticality is something that would have been tough for 7th gen to implement and make special. Spider-Man games have been trying for years and aside from Web of Shadows, haven’t made much effort on that front. Rocksteady were able to avoid that problem through their locations.
Thirdly, Nolan is someone who demands realism. His world and approach would have limited Monolith compared to what Rocksteady could do by taking from comics.
@@FraserSouris Wtf man the TDKR game on Android and iOS was amazing.
@@legoyoda3546
It was decent but even if that was used as the baisis for a 7th gen game, I doubt it would have been better than the Arkham games
wow this explains a lot like why there wasn't another tie in game after Batman Begins or why Shadow of Mordor feels like a batman game almost
That and the fact having 2 Batman games out might confuse people and cannibalize their market.
Project Hydra kinda reminds me of Hunted: The Demon's Forge.
okay but a batman game with the nemesis system sounds sick
I just want an Aragorn game with the same amount of love that was put into the Witcher 3.
That coop Lotr game sounds way better than the ok-ish Shadow of Mordor we got. The protagonist of that game was so bland, safe and uninspired , it make sense this was suggested by pencil-pushers.
Co-protagonist. Celebrimbor was just as much the main character as Talion was. Either way, the sequel was much better in both respects.
iReiGN xx this is true
I now wanna see a sword wielding batman killing orcs.
6:15 Batman performing heists? Like, robbing the villains?
I would not be surprised if Monolith ends up making a DC game in the next gen. They've done open world, Batman-esque stuff here and fantasy based stuff with Middle-Earth - if you're WB and you're setting up your DC Gaming Universe (Superman or Justice League? at Rocksteady, Suicide Squad? at WB Montreal), it seems like Monolith would be a great fit for a third studio to work on a DC property - an open world Wonder Woman game. Have 'em go from Tolkien fantasy to Greek myths, Middle-Earth to Themyscira; you're still a badass warrior skilled with all sorts of swords, shields and bows & arrows, etc. fighting monsters and other warriors in a magical world... just add superpowers!
The only thing wrong with this pitch for "Apollo" was that it was Batman and that was redundant since Rocksteady had him on lock. Give _WW her first video game,_ and have Monolith make it, WB. Unless there's gonna be a Middle-Earth 3, of course, but considering Amazon has the LotR license now and Shadow of War didn't do super great (thanks a lot, microtransactions), it's easy to see Monolith end up making a AAA DC game next. And dammit, we need to see a new DC game already - WB Montreal and Rocksteady have been skipping too many E3's!
This was a killer story. Thanks for the excellent media, interviews and research as usual, Liam :)
Actually, Dark Knight Rises had an officially license ISO/Android game for the price of $7... Plays like the console Arkham games and only had 7 or 9 levels.
.....So only The Dark Knight (the most popular film in the series), didn't get a tie in game.
RamsTheNameCom I’m assuming you meant iOS
@@JasonZakrajsek IOS....ISO....AOC... STD... All the same thing really.
Glad it worked out in the end. Shadow of Morder + War are damn good games.
They're putting the Nemesis System in Gotham Knights I hear
Videos like these are the best.
"Butmun" "hund to hund" "plunned"
You guys couldn't find someone who doesn't pronounce Batman as Bathmahn?
But whatever happened to gotham by gaslight?
Would've loved to have gotten this Batman game but I'm glad we got Shadow of Mordor
Please cover True Crime Hong Kong and sleeping dogs 🙏🏽
GVMERS video is for you.
This honestly gets me hyped for Monolith's new Wonder Woman game tbh
Drink every time he says bot mon.
And only now the footage has surfaced?
How was that DKR mobile game made then?
So this was the previously unknown cancelled Batman game Liam bee I bought teasing ages ago
I have yet to play shadow of mordor but that co-op game looked fun. I have yet to have a proper hack n slash game that implements co-op into the main story . Only as a side option like Ninja Gaiden 2 or Devil May Cry 3 on the switch
Monolith needs to remake Gotham City Impostors
I just finished Shadow of War and while playing I thought the Nemesis System would be great for a super hero game. I never knew! Thanks for the info.
I dont see how it would work for batman. If a bad guy beats up batman then he will then know who batman is. It makes no since for batman to lose a fight, go back, and that person go "remember when I kicked your ass??" And batman would just say "yep" and they fight. It just doesn't fit the character. And I know batman loses fights sometimes. But in a way where he can still get out of it. It worked for shadow of mordor/war but only because he was a being who at the time could not die.
@@logananderson6684 Maybe running away leads to the enemy ranking up, where a death is a game over screen? I could see it working.
@@wild360 hmmm. I guess it would. But that would mean no more death screens where the main antagonists shit talks to you. But yea I could see that working out
Shadow of Mordor makes you FEEL like Batman.
That explains the similarities in combat...
What is with the Mobile Game "The Dark Knight Rises: The Mobile Game"? Does this not had anything to do with Monolith?
I´m not sure but it seems that it vanished from any store.
@You Tube .....I still have it on my Kindle.... The only game I've lost from the app store was X-Men arcade..... Pretty sure you can still buy Dark Knight Rises at the Amazon App store.
Monolith did develop Gotham City Imposters, one of the best Batman games of all time
First thing i noticed playing
Shadow of Mordor.
Was how it reminded me
of playing Batman.
Do you think you guys could do a video on the xeno series? ( xenosaga, xenoblade xenogears)
I remember seeing test footage for a legacy of kane game that was damn close to shadows of mordor.
The protagonist was a human bitten by a vampire and something went wrong so the vampires soul ends up inside the human and you can traverse between the human world and the soul world and unlock vampiric abilities as you go..
I always did wonder if this was a scrapped game that went onto be reused in shadows of mordor
R.I.P Gorven
Batman Begins was actually really good. I played it on PS2 at an age when I was smart enough to recognize shitty games and still liked it.
I have, in the past, said I wanted the nemesis system for other games, batman was by far on the top of the list. Since the arkham series is resting for a few more years, could we possibly get that now? Call it like batman: Nemesis, have the "clans" be different villains of batman's rogue's gallery, keep the combat similar, maybe have coop with robin... or catwoman. just a thought, unfortunately.
"Chris-Ti-An Bale" hahahaha!
Elmerstudd Those Aussies with their accents
Jin Jusuke racist
I knew shadow of Mordor was like Batman the first few minutes I've played it.
Thank God we got shadow of mordor instead of a nolan batman game. Really dodged a bullet there.
I mean, I'm glad we eventually got the game we did, but fuck WB going, "The main characters have to be human". That gets really boring after playing it in every other game.
Good to know that the only reason there's so much Torvin in both games is the devs were missing their dwarf protagonist though.
Man, I think I would have enjoyed Shadow of Mordor even more if I was able to play it coop with a friend.
I'd love to see footage of batman with a sword fighting orcs
Love hearing about my town in videos! There are so many cool game companies around here
As a fan of the Arkham games and the Lord of the Rings, youve accidentally and shadily sold me.
Why are you saying BUTTman instead of batman?
An accent
he's welsh
Why would they make a Batman game while Arkham City was already half way through development? And from scratch, who had this amazing idea?
You were right with this project Apollo game
Ahh yes the elimination of co-op in gaming these days.
Single player > co op any day
@@silversmoke8398 depends on the game and genre.
I want to play those other two Lord of the Rings games that weren't made
"bAtmAn"
I always called this game "Middle Earth's Batman"
Imagine how crazy Shadow of Mordor would have been if you played Batman instead of Talion, and Joker took the place of the Celery Bimbo...
Come to think of it, the Nemesis system would work VERY well for a superhero game. It would be pretty similar to "Mankind Has Yet To Recognize My Brilliance".
Especially "you didnt finished me last time!" EVERY time :)
@@TheDrQuake It would admittedly be very fitting for a game that's basically a season of the 60's Batman show. After all, Batman doesn't usually cut people's heads off or dominate them with mind control powers, so if anything a villain in "Mankind Has Yet To Recognize My Brilliance" would be VERY likely to run and fight another day. And even if you lock them away in jail or Arkham Asylum, they'll probably get busted out after enough time has passed.
Bro the last two minutes gave me goosebumps
puff they should have made FEAR 3 instead of the disappointed fear3 we got, plus the fact that there arent big companies making horrror games make a lot more sense to make them now a days
"...Fearing that fantasy races would hinder [the game's] chances of success." Yes, because NOTHING fantasy related has EVER been successful! *cough* World of Warcraft *cough*
Dragon Age
I love Shadow of Mordor. I still play it from time to time
Wasn't there a 3 player Co-op LOTR game released in 2012? War in the North was it?
A person asks you about who you are playing as and you answer that you are playing as a dwarf. Sad...
The reason Batman Begins got a proper tie in video game was because it was actually good without Heath Ledger and the memeable Tom Hardy😏
...Batman holding a sword... Wish I could see that...
Arkham City had that.
i love the dog knight
So basically it’s "Shadow of Batman"
I find it funny that Batman turned into The Lord of the Rings! 😂😄😁👍
Oh man, imagine the Nemesis system in Gotham city with crime families and mobsters instead of uruks. I can't remember who said this, but I heard someone say that the Nemesis system should be lifted into a game better suited for it. Shadow of Gotham is that game.
Shadow of war is bad ass though
I remember i waited for the dark knight video game but it never comem to pass, turns out there is one,
I thought this vid was gonna be talking About thé cancelled Damian Wayne game since that was gonna have thé nemisis system from thé Mordor