As you may remember from my past comments I've been working on my own cars since the 70's. I have no need to be ASE certified (although I did get certified in L1 and L8 in the 80's as part of an automotive school I attended). However, there are times I have to go to a professional shop and I do appreciate seeing techs who have applied themselves by getting certified. Would not having a "Master Tech" patch on my shoulder when looking for that higher pay, or when looking for a new job come in handy? I appreciate the video.
I started doing my automotive repair side work two years ago, but only part time. I'm fulltime in another line of work. I inquired from ASE about signing up for taking certification tests. I was informed I need to be employed at a shop or dealership, oh well. I remember one Feller on You Tube telling me I'll only get people who expect the work to be done for free. My response was not everyone prioritizes their tobacco or alcohol purchases over their car repair needs. I've had automotive repair training going back to High School and been a DIYer all my adult life. I have channels like this one to get the tips and techniques I need to ensure I get someone else's car repaired correctly. I've watched other DIYers on You Tube do repairs on their own cars I wouldn't dare do on my own, much more, on anyone else's car!
We have some service writer who are in their sixties and they said how they can be technicians. One walked out while i had a thirty pound undercover for a fuel tank held up by one arm and a socket extension and bolt with and impact on my hip and asked if he thinks he can do this. Plus yes, cars are more complicated due to emissions standards.
In school to get my diploma I'm auto tech..trying to learn as much as I can... regardless I have the will and motivation which I think boils down to core of being successful... because a piece of paper doesn't necessarily mean you are highly skilled
The only reasons dealerships really care is because they get more per hour from warranty with the more certified techs you have. They couldn’t care less about any other reason. I’d wager to bet most customers do not care either. They just want their car fixed for as little as possible and as quickly as possible
Well said there are people with good test taking skills and no hands on experience. So theoretically they have the master title and little actual repair skills. Interesting that with the ever increasing tech in cars we see much more techs specializing in certain aspects of auto repair like electrical/diagnostics, similar to doctors.
Thanks for this...I think a lot of entry level techs will appreciate the straight talk. Everybody is different. My first real paycheck came from entry level tech work at a dealership. Damn...I did everything from run the billy goat (gas powered vacuum for cigarette butts on the lot) to mop the whole dang shop (about 14 stalls). I washed out after six months. Saw the old guys complaining about their backs even though they got the decent jobs. Took my ass to junior college and I'm fine now but everybody has to make it work for themselves.
I work in a state that has laws that you have to certified by the state to work on cars. If I'm not certified in an area I can't do the work legally. So I am a state(ASE and FCA) master, if theres slow times I can work on whatever rolls into my stall. That said, when I train new hires/apprentices I try to focus them on 1 area, train/educate in one area until they are proficient then move on to the next area. Way too many under trained/skilled techs in the workforce that struggle. That may be the fault of the industry, employers, trade schools, or society.
That is very helpful. In my industry also there is a huge emphasis on certification and I can tell you it’s because the certification schools spend ton of money and effort selling managers, mostly HR people with no real world experience, these fantastic ideas that getting the staff certified will increase productivity, get more contracts, smarter workers, better teams, and all that junk. It only empties the staff pockets of few thousands of dollars and adds no value to the work.
Do thank you help me to become a mater technician. That was my whole life goal to be a master technician. I am crying right because I am a master technician and I want to thank and you you are very cool. I want to be like when I grow up. And I am 5 years. Thank master technician. 😭😭😭
I started my career in new car dealerships that pushed the ASE program. Didn’t matter how many you got they never compensated the technician substantially for doing it on his own time. Toyota required (back then) that a percentage of the technicians had to obtain “Master” status in order for the dealership to achieve the President’s Award every year. Again, it was rare to see pay increases based on getting the paper to hang on the shop wall. The sharpest technicians I’ve ever met went independent and put little stock in a piece of paper. Personally, I think ASE is a joke and it’s just eyewash to put customers at ease . There’s far more valuable information available to an aspiring young technician to learn his/her craft. Many of those guys share their knowledge for free too. You don’t have to pay some guy to attend his seminars. I’ve met a lot of young bucks that left a 2 year technical school that should’ve been in the lube bay. Probably 80% washed out within 5 years and their tools are on eBay now. You either have it in you or you don’t. If it’s in you learning your craft will come to you as you apply yourself to it. When I started there were no computers in the shop. We had old paper shop manuals with thousands of greasy fingerprints on them. I took one home with me every night for the first few years that I worked on cars. I just couldn’t get enough of the business. If it’s in you like that you’re going to get proficient at what you do.
Wayne Swicegood I agree with you. Pumping out certifications just For bragging rights is not helping the industry. I think those shirts need to be earned. By taking a class and taking the exam at the end is a more rounded experience I believe. Right now you can Buy a study guide and study for a week at two and go take a test and come home with a certification with no real hands on experience. That’s where I had a problem with the system.
There are valid issues that tech's cite with ASE. But for an industry that constantly cries about hacks and piss and moan about wanting to be treated and paid like professionals there sure is a lot of hate towards ASE. It is far from perfect but it's about as good as we have to rally around to try and raise the collective image of everyone in the industry. Will hacks and crooks still make it through? Sure but that's a part of any title. Do you know what you call the guy who graduated dead last in medical school? Doctor 😄
Joseph Toohey there’s definitely lots of issues in this industry and with ASE. My biggest gripe about ASE if you can just go take a test and become certified. I believe some type of class or course with each individual certification should be Required. That way you have some backing of schooling along with the passing of the test. What do you think?
It’s crazy nowadays I work at a dealership as a lube tech and we need to have a ASE by next year or we get the boot so my boss is hiring people fresh out of school with ASE’s but the sad thing is that they have no clue to how work, I had a new guy not knowing how to take off a tire.... it kinda sucks how jobs are forcing ASE certifications but won’t actually hire people who have a passion for the job
Frijolito I understand them wanting to hire certified technicians but I think they need to put a little more meaning behind the certification. The weather set up now anybody can register for certification test take it and you become certified. If you were required to take a certification class with an instructor teaching you and then after that have a hands-on and written test the certifications would mean more.
Though I do want to be a CERTIFIED MECHANIC. It’s extremely difficult with an apprenticeship.(its a joke) employers wants certified employees but hell if they want to have apprentices further their career. Ive worked at 4 shops. Same BS “we don’t sponsor people “ should have been a electrician
Shops don’t sponsor young bucks because the washout rate is about 80%. The other 20% will leave if a shop down the road offers them $1 more on the hour. I started back in 1989. I was mechanically inclined from an early age though. After about 3 years of being out of high school and working in a cotton mill I knew there had to be something better. I walked into my local Ford dealer and told the manager that I wanted to learn how to work on cars and I didn’t care what he paid me. He put me to work doing whatever the experienced mechanics told me too. I watched and learned and started buying my own tools. They never helped me get anything and didn’t pay me squat but I was looking way ahead of that place. Within a year I had my first MAC toolbox, my own bay, and was trusted to do things like brakes, tuneups, oil changes. They sent me to Hunter Alignment School which really worth more than all ASE certifications combined. It’s 2020 now and I’m about done with my career. Been a lot of ups and downs and the industry is nothing like the one I loved. Things change and that’s the only constant. If it’s in you to the point that you refuse to do anything else with your life you’re going to find a way. If it isn’t id run as far away from it as possible. The costs both financially and physically are too high if you’re not 100 percent committed to it.
There is a lot to know about fixing cars. Master work ethic is what's needed and success will follow. Enjoyed the vid!
Ozzstar's Cars I like that master work ethic. That’s good stuff👍
@Coen Kaden yea, I've been watching on kaldrostream for years myself :)
@Coen Kaden definitely, I have been using Kaldrostream for months myself :)
As you may remember from my past comments I've been working on my own cars since the 70's. I have no need to be ASE certified (although I did get certified in L1 and L8 in the 80's as part of an automotive school I attended). However, there are times I have to go to a professional shop and I do appreciate seeing techs who have applied themselves by getting certified. Would not having a "Master Tech" patch on my shoulder when looking for that higher pay, or when looking for a new job come in handy? I appreciate the video.
I started doing my automotive repair side work two years ago, but only part time. I'm fulltime in another line of work. I inquired from ASE about signing up for taking certification tests. I was informed I need to be employed at a shop or dealership, oh well. I remember one Feller on You Tube telling me I'll only get people who expect the work to be done for free. My response was not everyone prioritizes their tobacco or alcohol purchases over their car repair needs. I've had automotive repair training going back to High School and been a DIYer all my adult life. I have channels like this one to get the tips and techniques I need to ensure I get someone else's car repaired correctly. I've watched other DIYers on You Tube do repairs on their own cars I wouldn't dare do on my own, much more, on anyone else's car!
We have some service writer who are in their sixties and they said how they can be technicians. One walked out while i had a thirty pound undercover for a fuel tank held up by one arm and a socket extension and bolt with and impact on my hip and asked if he thinks he can do this. Plus yes, cars are more complicated due to emissions standards.
Thank you sir. You're right that no single human could master every single vehicle that's been released. There are too many and too much technology.
In school to get my diploma I'm auto tech..trying to learn as much as I can... regardless I have the will and motivation which I think boils down to core of being successful... because a piece of paper doesn't necessarily mean you are highly skilled
The only reasons dealerships really care is because they get more per hour from warranty with the more certified techs you have. They couldn’t care less about any other reason. I’d wager to bet most customers do not care either. They just want their car fixed for as little as possible and as quickly as possible
100% correct.
Well said there are people with good test taking skills and no hands on experience. So theoretically they have the master title and little actual repair skills. Interesting that with the ever increasing tech in cars we see much more techs specializing in certain aspects of auto repair like electrical/diagnostics, similar to doctors.
Thanks for this...I think a lot of entry level techs will appreciate the straight talk. Everybody is different. My first real paycheck came from entry level tech work at a dealership. Damn...I did everything from run the billy goat (gas powered vacuum for cigarette butts on the lot) to mop the whole dang shop (about 14 stalls). I washed out after six months. Saw the old guys complaining about their backs even though they got the decent jobs. Took my ass to junior college and I'm fine now but everybody has to make it work for themselves.
Great advice for new techs 👍🏼
Great video and very good pointers for anyone that is thinking about being In Automotive industry
I work in a state that has laws that you have to certified by the state to work on cars. If I'm not certified in an area I can't do the work legally. So I am a state(ASE and FCA) master, if theres slow times I can work on whatever rolls into my stall. That said, when I train new hires/apprentices I try to focus them on 1 area, train/educate in one area until they are proficient then move on to the next area. Way too many under trained/skilled techs in the workforce that struggle. That may be the fault of the industry, employers, trade schools, or society.
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That is very helpful. In my industry also there is a huge emphasis on certification and I can tell you it’s because the certification schools spend ton of money and effort selling managers, mostly HR people with no real world experience, these fantastic ideas that getting the staff certified will increase productivity, get more contracts, smarter workers, better teams, and all that junk. It only empties the staff pockets of few thousands of dollars and adds no value to the work.
Ahmad Ghosheh It could definitely play out that way. And a few cases it does work out but more often than not I see it your way.
Great teacher,that is the whole truth nothing else but the truth itself
Do thank you help me to become a mater technician. That was my whole life goal to be a master technician. I am crying right because I am a master technician and I want to thank and you you are very cool. I want to be like when I grow up. And I am 5 years. Thank master technician. 😭😭😭
I started my career in new car dealerships that pushed the ASE program. Didn’t matter how many you got they never compensated the technician substantially for doing it on his own time. Toyota required (back then) that a percentage of the technicians had to obtain “Master” status in order for the dealership to achieve the President’s Award every year. Again, it was rare to see pay increases based on getting the paper to hang on the shop wall.
The sharpest technicians I’ve ever met went independent and put little stock in a piece of paper. Personally, I think ASE is a joke and it’s just eyewash to put customers at ease . There’s far more valuable information available to an aspiring young technician to learn his/her craft. Many of those guys share their knowledge for free too. You don’t have to pay some guy to attend his seminars. I’ve met a lot of young bucks that left a 2 year technical school that should’ve been in the lube bay. Probably 80% washed out within 5 years and their tools are on eBay now.
You either have it in you or you don’t. If it’s in you learning your craft will come to you as you apply yourself to it. When I started there were no computers in the shop. We had old paper shop manuals with thousands of greasy fingerprints on them. I took one home with me every night for the first few years that I worked on cars. I just couldn’t get enough of the business. If it’s in you like that you’re going to get proficient at what you do.
Wayne Swicegood I agree with you. Pumping out certifications just For bragging rights is not helping the industry. I think those shirts need to be earned. By taking a class and taking the exam at the end is a more rounded experience I believe. Right now you can Buy a study guide and study for a week at two and go take a test and come home with a certification with no real hands on experience. That’s where I had a problem with the system.
Very good video Brian. Thanks
Advise my Daddy gave. Be the best in your field!
There are valid issues that tech's cite with ASE. But for an industry that constantly cries about hacks and piss and moan about wanting to be treated and paid like professionals there sure is a lot of hate towards ASE. It is far from perfect but it's about as good as we have to rally around to try and raise the collective image of everyone in the industry. Will hacks and crooks still make it through? Sure but that's a part of any title. Do you know what you call the guy who graduated dead last in medical school? Doctor 😄
Joseph Toohey there’s definitely lots of issues in this industry and with ASE. My biggest gripe about ASE if you can just go take a test and become certified. I believe some type of class or course with each individual certification should be Required. That way you have some backing of schooling along with the passing of the test. What do you think?
Awesome Brian
Becoming Master Certified on paper gives the tech better options
Omar Ali until they have to do the master work and they can’t do it.
Only if the tech can do the master mechanic duties being on paper doesn't mean anything if you can diag and repair vehicles properly
It’s crazy nowadays I work at a dealership as a lube tech and we need to have a ASE by next year or we get the boot so my boss is hiring people fresh out of school with ASE’s but the sad thing is that they have no clue to how work, I had a new guy not knowing how to take off a tire.... it kinda sucks how jobs are forcing ASE certifications but won’t actually hire people who have a passion for the job
Frijolito I understand them wanting to hire certified technicians but I think they need to put a little more meaning behind the certification. The weather set up now anybody can register for certification test take it and you become certified. If you were required to take a certification class with an instructor teaching you and then after that have a hands-on and written test the certifications would mean more.
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Though I do want to be a CERTIFIED MECHANIC. It’s extremely difficult with an apprenticeship.(its a joke) employers wants certified employees but hell if they want to have apprentices further their career. Ive worked at 4 shops. Same BS “we don’t sponsor people “ should have been a electrician
Shops don’t sponsor young bucks because the washout rate is about 80%. The other 20% will leave if a shop down the road offers them $1 more on the hour. I started back in 1989. I was mechanically inclined from an early age though. After about 3 years of being out of high school and working in a cotton mill I knew there had to be something better. I walked into my local Ford dealer and told the manager that I wanted to learn how to work on cars and I didn’t care what he paid me. He put me to work doing whatever the experienced mechanics told me too. I watched and learned and started buying my own tools. They never helped me get anything and didn’t pay me squat but I was looking way ahead of that place. Within a year I had my first MAC toolbox, my own bay, and was trusted to do things like brakes, tuneups, oil changes. They sent me to Hunter Alignment School which really worth more than all ASE certifications combined.
It’s 2020 now and I’m about done with my career. Been a lot of ups and downs and the industry is nothing like the one I loved. Things change and that’s the only constant. If it’s in you to the point that you refuse to do anything else with your life you’re going to find a way. If it isn’t id run as far away from it as possible. The costs both financially and physically are too high if you’re not 100 percent committed to it.
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So Helpful🔧🛻