I don't understand the impetus of liberals to pin the popularity of liberation movements on the "naive university student" when like, these students are always right. The anti-Vietnam war movement was largely a student movement, early BLM was largely a student movement, and so on. Like, when someone says "it's popular with students" you shouldn't think "oh it's a fashion statement." You should think "oh, the people whose job it is to grapple with and study the world, one of the few groups of people who have the time and energy to do so thoroughly, are very upset about something. maybe i should listen"
that article is like a booster pack in a trading card game (for, uh, genocide denial talking points): most of the cards don't work together, but they're not meant to work as a deck, they're meant as an offer for you to change your preexisting one
The main, horrifying slop was so vile. In a weird way it reminds me of the slop stream you did of Ben Shapiro's Barbie video. The author is saying to his readers, "Hey, there's this big cultural Event happening, and you'll hear a lot of people saying stuff that seems to make sense! You might even start to feel something! But be vigilant: here is how you should view each of these common talking points. And here are some reasons to immediately mistrust anyone who takes those positions." And then he goes on to... teach people to cover their ears and close their eyes to injustice. God. It was sinister enough when Ben used this tactic to combat very basic pop feminism, and now this guy is using it to promote genocide. I feel like I need a shower after listening to him. I applaud your stamina and your ability to stare this awful shit in the face, Sophie. I hope you got a good long rest afterward. - On a much lighter note: I too love thinking about Rome! I think studying it helps me understand not just a lot of our modern world (and its politics and legal structures, since most of the imperial core has systems directly descended from Roman ones), but also like... the nature of empire? And a slave state? And it's far enough back in history that it doesn't produce the same rage and queasiness as more recent imperial history. (I'm also reading about the history of the CIA, for example, and I have to take a LOT of breaks.) Anyway, for other Rome nerds in the audience: I just finished a book called "A Fatal Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum," it was great! I'd love some other recommendations if anyone has them. Thank you for the slop, Sophie ♥
Just a heads up. I have never ever gotten video recommendations from the Cato institute or the carnegie endowment before, but I am being recommended like 3 of their videos each on this page.
Highlighting the article's structure (a series of arguments positioned around an absence / not building on each other) was SO helpful for me. Everything clicked into place. It's exhausting to unpick each argument and trace it to its ideological roots, and there's this trompe l'oeil that if the writer has such proliferative arguments, you can relax your eyes and accept that at least some of them must be strong (is there a name for this?)
I would call it a Gish gallop(aka fire hosing aka spaghetti shotgun), but that's more what you would call it from a position where you're attempting to respond; I'm not sure there's a term that covers being convinced by it.
At the risk of over-explaining my metaphor, I'd also point out that at first glance the layers of any gratin seem to be building on themselves. However, when it comes time to eat, it becomes clear that this is merely an illusion, there is no structural integrity and the layers will slide apart, only to serve as a medium that soaks up the slop to allow people to consume it while thinking it is something other than slop.
Found this channel through Thought Slime, so I tentatively watched some...and I've been more than impressed with your takes. If anyone tries to tell you that something nonsensical is "Marxist," ask them to explain why it is Marxist and what Marxism is. Then laugh as they stumble over themselves because they have no clue and are just regurgitating talking points. 1:52:45 The fact that they call it "the Holy Land" says a LOT about who they think it belongs to. Even though Muslims and Christians also consider it the sacred, and the implication is that it is the "Holy Land" because it was given by God...to the Jews. 2:31:45 Where's the link? It's not in the description.
What the fuck in Britain your account runs out of money and your power just goes out? That's fucked up, even in the hellscape that is the us, you have to miss payments for a few months before they send someone out to turn off your power afaik
Some homes (particularly in poorer areas) have "pre-payment"' meters. These shut off when there is no money on the account - I'm not sure if there are any that still require going into a shop to buy special cards, I know Sophie has mentioned she tops hers up by phone. If you don't have a meter and you go into extended debt with your energy company one of the ways they will punish you is installing one of these meters. They are very difficult to get removed from a property and get put onto the "regular" system, even if say you move into a property that has one but you have never had credit issues. At least that's my understanding as someone who has never lived with one, but who's grandma was still using and getting her pension in LITERAL COAL in the last 10 years before going into a home.
@@RebeccaCatandefinitely still get them. The house i lived in a few years back had one and most corner shops still have paypoints to top up your meters. Pain in the arse and more expensive 😡
Do men really think about the Roman Empire that much??? Even my historian friend is as likely to mention Renaissance Italy or such with reverence. I never fucking think about it tbh
When I heard that for the first time, I payed attention to what think about all the time and it's anti-capitalism. So, basically, any time my day goes poorly and not how I would like, I think about why that is and how it could be better and end at anti-capitalism. I think maybe other guys do the same, but they end up fantasizing about a prelapsarian area where "all was well" and women where sub-human cattle without any rights.
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I don't understand the impetus of liberals to pin the popularity of liberation movements on the "naive university student" when like, these students are always right. The anti-Vietnam war movement was largely a student movement, early BLM was largely a student movement, and so on. Like, when someone says "it's popular with students" you shouldn't think "oh it's a fashion statement." You should think "oh, the people whose job it is to grapple with and study the world, one of the few groups of people who have the time and energy to do so thoroughly, are very upset about something. maybe i should listen"
Stream starts at 16:10
Sophie gets back 2:07:03
that article is like a booster pack in a trading card game (for, uh, genocide denial talking points): most of the cards don't work together, but they're not meant to work as a deck, they're meant as an offer for you to change your preexisting one
16:06 if anyone's wondering
The main, horrifying slop was so vile. In a weird way it reminds me of the slop stream you did of Ben Shapiro's Barbie video. The author is saying to his readers, "Hey, there's this big cultural Event happening, and you'll hear a lot of people saying stuff that seems to make sense! You might even start to feel something! But be vigilant: here is how you should view each of these common talking points. And here are some reasons to immediately mistrust anyone who takes those positions." And then he goes on to... teach people to cover their ears and close their eyes to injustice.
God. It was sinister enough when Ben used this tactic to combat very basic pop feminism, and now this guy is using it to promote genocide. I feel like I need a shower after listening to him. I applaud your stamina and your ability to stare this awful shit in the face, Sophie. I hope you got a good long rest afterward.
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On a much lighter note: I too love thinking about Rome! I think studying it helps me understand not just a lot of our modern world (and its politics and legal structures, since most of the imperial core has systems directly descended from Roman ones), but also like... the nature of empire? And a slave state? And it's far enough back in history that it doesn't produce the same rage and queasiness as more recent imperial history. (I'm also reading about the history of the CIA, for example, and I have to take a LOT of breaks.)
Anyway, for other Rome nerds in the audience: I just finished a book called "A Fatal Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum," it was great! I'd love some other recommendations if anyone has them.
Thank you for the slop, Sophie ♥
Just a heads up. I have never ever gotten video recommendations from the Cato institute or the carnegie endowment before, but I am being recommended like 3 of their videos each on this page.
I'm a woman who thinks about Rome constantly because I'm writing a screenplay about it. Is that better or worse?
Maybe both??
It depends, what are your thoughts on pillars? What about columns? Aqueducts? PLINTHS?
@@johnjessop9456 All cool, but aqueducts are running away with it. No contest.
@@theanarchistcookYeah they really wash away the competition.
Yooo! Same!!
Highlighting the article's structure (a series of arguments positioned around an absence / not building on each other) was SO helpful for me. Everything clicked into place. It's exhausting to unpick each argument and trace it to its ideological roots, and there's this trompe l'oeil that if the writer has such proliferative arguments, you can relax your eyes and accept that at least some of them must be strong (is there a name for this?)
I would call it a Gish gallop(aka fire hosing aka spaghetti shotgun), but that's more what you would call it from a position where you're attempting to respond; I'm not sure there's a term that covers being convinced by it.
JFC, this main article is just an ombré gratin of slop; lotta layers that will look fancy, but it's still slop to its very core
What an analogy 😙👌🏻
At the risk of over-explaining my metaphor, I'd also point out that at first glance the layers of any gratin seem to be building on themselves. However, when it comes time to eat, it becomes clear that this is merely an illusion, there is no structural integrity and the layers will slide apart, only to serve as a medium that soaks up the slop to allow people to consume it while thinking it is something other than slop.
@@ryanphillips7064 the ombré gratin is a metaphor that just keeps giving (slop)
I am now forever going to refer to conservative opinions as a "skill issue".
Found this channel through Thought Slime, so I tentatively watched some...and I've been more than impressed with your takes.
If anyone tries to tell you that something nonsensical is "Marxist," ask them to explain why it is Marxist and what Marxism is. Then laugh as they stumble over themselves because they have no clue and are just regurgitating talking points.
1:52:45 The fact that they call it "the Holy Land" says a LOT about who they think it belongs to. Even though Muslims and Christians also consider it the sacred, and the implication is that it is the "Holy Land" because it was given by God...to the Jews.
2:31:45 Where's the link? It's not in the description.
What the fuck in Britain your account runs out of money and your power just goes out? That's fucked up, even in the hellscape that is the us, you have to miss payments for a few months before they send someone out to turn off your power afaik
Some homes (particularly in poorer areas) have "pre-payment"' meters. These shut off when there is no money on the account - I'm not sure if there are any that still require going into a shop to buy special cards, I know Sophie has mentioned she tops hers up by phone. If you don't have a meter and you go into extended debt with your energy company one of the ways they will punish you is installing one of these meters.
They are very difficult to get removed from a property and get put onto the "regular" system, even if say you move into a property that has one but you have never had credit issues. At least that's my understanding as someone who has never lived with one, but who's grandma was still using and getting her pension in LITERAL COAL in the last 10 years before going into a home.
@@RebeccaCatandefinitely still get them. The house i lived in a few years back had one and most corner shops still have paypoints to top up your meters. Pain in the arse and more expensive 😡
wait is his name Simon Seabag?
More like Simon 'C-bag' amirite?
Do men really think about the Roman Empire that much??? Even my historian friend is as likely to mention Renaissance Italy or such with reverence. I never fucking think about it tbh
I think about a United Ireland more honestly
When I heard that for the first time, I payed attention to what think about all the time and it's anti-capitalism.
So, basically, any time my day goes poorly and not how I would like, I think about why that is and how it could be better and end at anti-capitalism. I think maybe other guys do the same, but they end up fantasizing about a prelapsarian area where "all was well" and women where sub-human cattle without any rights.
I think about how vile it was quite frequently.
That one guy (I don't remember his name and I'm NOT looking it up) is really just fire-hosing apologia, uh.
slorpity sloppity slop!!
the whole roman empire thing is so fucking stupid yet so many people see it as men just being nerds when it kinds smells fashy to me but idk