The Audience Will Forget Your Plot But Not Your Characters - Jack Grapes
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Jack Grapes is an award-winning poet, playwright, actor, teacher, and the editor and publisher of ONTHEBUS, one of the top literary journals in the country. He has won several publishing grants and Fellowships in Literature from the National Endowment for the Arts. He's also received nine Artist-in- Residence Grants from the California Arts Council to teach writing in various schools throughout Los Angeles. He is the author of 13 books of poetry, including TREES, COFFEE, AND THE EYES OF DEER, and BREAKING DOWN THE SURFACE OF THE WORLD. A spoken-word CD, Pretend, was recently issued by DePaul University. He is also author of a chapbook of poems and paintings titled AND THE RUNNING FORM, NAKED, BLAKE. His most recent publication is LUCKY FINDS, a boxed set of 50 cards that extend and parody the dynamic artistic productions of high-modernist poets such as Ezra Pound and Charles Olson. For more information on Jack's classes, please visit: jackgrapes.com/classesgeneral...
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"Oh interesting" she said realizing he invades the privacy of all his friends 😂
He comes into your house to judge you, and you'll only realize years later when a certain character is too relatable for comfort 😭
@@glanni I'm not sure the person would recognize that the medicine cabinet or fridge was their inspiration unless it was very specific
@@deborahrose8621 I agree, but I also think that being sorta specific is the point of his excersise.
If I read a book by an author I knew personally well enough to invite them into my house, and there was a character that had half a dozen of half-full bottles of bodywash collecting dust on the rim of their bath tub, I'd know what took them so long when they "used the bathroom".
Lool
I'm guilty also🤫
It resonates with what he's saying because I remember the movie Captain America Civil War, where Tony Stark says, "Who's leaving seeds in the sink?" something like that... and he said, "I feel like I'm living with a biker gang." To paraphrase.. It was a small line of dialogue, but for me, I remember it and it always stood out. I thought it was powerful. Because it informed me that they're people. They live with each other. Their living arrangement is casual, and they get on each other's nerves. It made me feel like this is like a family. or roommates. It was powerful. It made me think of the Avengers in a different way. This is a lot like what Jack Grapes is talking about!
I remember the arguments the Avengers have more than any other part of the movie. Not because the movie was uninteresting or anything, but because you see them more when they are expressing themselves. The scene with the staff in the first Avengers, that scene in Civil War and also when Tony is trying to get Steve to sign, frail Tony berating Steve at the beginning of Endgame, and my personal favorite, Strange yelling at Christine after his accident
@@JustKrin the age of ultron party scene?
I think you're over analyzing a stupid capeshit movie made for manchilds, buddy.
@@cuentaparadeciridioteces3648 While the movies have their flaws, this is a good example he's pointed out. It adds a tiny bit of depth to the movies when they do that, even if they're not to your personal taste. I hate Big Bang Theory for example, but the Christmas episode they did where they had to "save Santa from the dungeon" really twisted my perception of Sheldon's character when he gave his speech to Santa (I won't spoil it, bc I'd suggest you watch it if you haven't.) Despite the fact that I hate that show at the best of times, it was a nice moment that I still remember.
@@cuentaparadeciridioteces3648 "They have a cave troll."
Remind me never to let Jack into my kitchen.
my fridge is boring...put away all the stuff: only a little bear a mini violin and a Venecian mask for Vivaldi
Seriously though
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"Ask any writer on the street and ask them what's most important, they'll say character."
Unless you work for Hollywood, Disney, mainstream comics, or Netflix.
Yeah. To a lot of people, the three most important elements are loud noises, property damage, and loss of life. Very few car chases offer anything you've never seen before, so, to me, three minutes of car chases is the most boring part of the movie.
@@AmericanActionReport As a corollary to that -- the best car chase scenes, to my mind, are ones where the camera focuses on the actors in the cars, and their reactions to events, or even better, to other passengers in the car. Dialog does a lot to help to make chase scenes more memorable. IMO
@@eraz0rhead Great point. A frantic scene is especially engaging if the characters are as confused and frantic as the action. "No, your other left," is cliché, but we can all identify with it. That's what it's all about; the audience BECOMES the characters.
They are literally character movies. 🤣
If it's Netflix the most important thing is that the characters are gay.
This is why internet fandoms love fanfiction so much. We have more of the characters by people who also mainly care about the characters.
I'm at a point in my life where I don't want to read anything but fanfiction.
i'll be sure to tell tolstoy.
I have to agree. I read fanfic more than consume the main materials cause fanfic has plot that actually cares about the characters
@@arcaean155 Depends how well they're written.
@@arcaean155 the problem begins when they only care about a specific group of characters and start ignoring/bashing on the rest
@@quivygm I agree with this but could you maybe give an example. I’m having trouble visualising one
As a writer, being observative about thing around you is your greatest tool.
Facts facts facts. I’m an artiste in Jamaica
There must be balance, Character Plot and Story are equally important. Fail at any of these and you get Rise of the Skywalker.
I would say the new trilogy as a whole. The characters had potential but were wasted and the story/plot was just a rehash of the originals.
This needs more likes.
Usual suspects is kind of a good example
Aren't plot and story the same?
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My dad was watching some movie when I was a kid. No idea what it was about, I was probably too busy playing my Gameboy. I just remember a few people walking around in the forest. But something that had stuck with me for my whole life was a scene where one guy was complaining that his back hurt. Another guy told him an old cure is find a round rock and spit on it, so off he goes. A third person in the scene was incredulous about the trick, and the guy replies something to the effect of "looking for the rock will distract him from his back pain, then by the time he leans over to spit on it, he'll have forgotten completely." This one scene might have even planted the seeds of my interest in human psychology today. Just goes to show how effective and memorable these little scenes of characterization are.
This helps me think of every scene as a chance to build character
The Edge (1997). I think Anthony Hopkins may have lied and said it is a Native American cure to add some faith to the placebo.
When he was talking about how everyone eats a particular way, I started thinking about how I eat my meals one thing at a time. I won't take a bite of peas, and then a bite of steak, I've gotta finish one before I get to the other, and I always seem to choose the vegetables first. There's no real reason or intention for it, I just do it.
Meanwhile I'm shoveling a massive load of food into my mouth with no care whatsoever before I proceed to smack it around like an ungodly loud jackhammer.
I used to do this until I realized that flavor comes from combing things. Now I notice that my Kung pao chicken tastes better when it’s mixed with fried rice. They combine beautifully. Or another simple example: breakfast plate with eggs and strips of bacon. Eating both at the same time makes both more delicious.
You also start to notice that some foods don’t combine as well together and it’s better to eat them separately. But it’s good to try and discover new flavors. I’m a very picky person but since I’m combining my favorite foods, I’m not afraid that I will hate the flavor.
for me it's not about the order, the way I do it is that all of the different types of food in my plate must be finished at the same time.
I'm kinda the opposite of this, I make sure to keep the same ratio of every component of the meal until I finish it, so I always have maximum variety throughout the whole meal.
I usually do it the exact same way
You could also argue that plot creates the character because it forces them to take a stand and reveal their true character. Isn't it usually an outside force that sets the movie in motion? The character is usually forced into circumstances that they need to battle and change. Even this century's most plotless movie Nomadland is set into motion by an outside force - the tiniest fraction of a plot that this movie has.
Stephen King says something like, "take interesting people and put them in difficult situations then see what happens."
I think that the point he is making is that the character makes the plot happen.
He actually uses "plot" as "the presentation of the story"
It is the story that forces characters to take a stand and reveal their true character, not the plot
@@jerryjellyshow8193Story is what happens to the character not the other way around. I would argue that plot is what forces characters to take a stand. It's the situation they find themselves in that affects their character. A plot is constructed in such a way that it presents itself with the optimal scenarios/scenes/curcumstances for the filmmakers to reveal the character and show what kind of person they are.
Story: What happens to yours characters, and the themes, meanings and feelings we experience from this.
Plot: How your story is told. The pacing, the structure, the choices regarding its presentation that keep people engaged with your tale.
That's how I see it anyway.
Characters with goals/motivation are what drives the story.
this is what fanfiction is all about!! fanfic authors and readers are those who stayed for the characters and wish to see more of them beyond what the canon showed
This is funny
Because I read the fanfictions for the different events and stories not necessarily the characters themselves. I take interest in the world building aspect of a story turned fanfic more than reading about how someone eats their eggs.
Honestly I dislike fan fiction but to each their own.
Or for people who loved the characters but disliked what the writers did with them. Several times I've been invested in a character only to have them ruined by bad writing. Fanfiction can be a great way for fans to 'fix' this and tell the kind of story they wanted to see.
@@katemara667 yesss, somehow show writers manage to forget the personalities and developments of the characters they themselves wrote like HOW
Fanfiction is just every unnecessary sequel / re-make but with lower budget. Change my mind.
Does anyone remember flipping someone a quarter and saying go call somebody who gives a damn?! We can’t do that anymore.
I remember Scrooge McDuck in the 1987 DuckTales series answering a phone and saying, “It’s your dime. SPEAK.” He can’t do that in the 2017 series…
I knew a person who had such a messy car that I would always think "If we get into and accident, I wonder what random object in the car would hit me first". Funny how their quirks quickly become a story in your own mind.
"If your story doesn’t have a character that people can relate to, your story isn’t going to be enough. And the way that you get people to relate to your character is through the AUTHENTIC VOICE." Boom! That's all we need to know. Spot on Jack!
This channel has actually got me started writing after thinking about it for a few years. I'll be sure to mention you in my acceptance speech after my first book get turned into a billion dollar movie.
Nice quoxifiable goal! I wish you the best man, no sarcasm, only way to succeed is to shoot for the fucking stars.
I feel what he is talking about is true most of the time. I can think of a few media’s (gaming, film, books) where I remember the stories and love the stories more than the characters.
He did say that story is different than plot right at the start of the interview.
That said, I always thought story and plot were the same thing. But it seems plot is how the story is executed?
Personally, I think story is the most important element. You can tell the same story differently if you inject different characters.
@@maxwellsmartarse2916 think of the plot as the ingredients while the story is the finished dish. In a plot you have a general idea of what goes on while in a story those elements mix together and are used to form the narrative. Don’t worry it’s pretty easy to be confused, I was confused for years until i myself started taking writing classes.
@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT Sounds like he describes it in the opposite manner. The story is the chronological events, the ingredients. The plot is the arrangement of those 'ingredients' into something emotionally impactful to the characters
Final destination is one of these movies I liked for its concept and story, but I couldn't care less about the characters.
@@TheNonstopTry yeah I can see that. I think it can also be applied to other movies like The Thing. Not that the characters are bad (they are great) I just found myself loving the plot and premise more than the characters themselves.
I agree. I write character driven stories, film, series, books. I am not motivated by the idea of plot driven or theme driven stories. As in ANYONE/any character could've walked that path. Instead, I love writing storylines where we see it was THAT particular character's path. Regardless to whether others could've made the decision to walk a certain path.
And that is why details are important~you need to vicariously reside in that character and details matter even if the character is unaware of them when they are revealed ~ sometimes it explains previous or current behaviour and sometimes those details are forshadowing
@@deborahrose8621 Great point
This is absolutely fantastic instruction; incredibly clear. More and more, from these "lectures" from all these Professors, I get clarity about an almost mystical process of creating and generating STORY. Thank you so for making these talks available. It's like having a personal graduate seminar.
I have to add: the subject of the roller skate key made me think of Melanie's song "Brand New Key" about the same. Just saying.
@@danieljackson654 Exactly because the character rode her skates to stalk some guy! Would we be interested in some random chick stalking a guy but a cutesy chick with roller skates and a keen sense of adventure was another story
@@danieljackson654 I had this playing in my head as he was leading up to the skate key image. 🎶Oh I've got a brand new pair of roller skate you've got a brand new key 🎶 🛼
The eight deadliest words any storyteller can hear:
"I don't care what happens to these people".
When no personable writers focus too much on plot and themes and function of stuff details like powers or mechanics rather than interesting relatable character dynamics feelings and bonds...that stuff matters more than the plot....
I love when my characters tell me what they want and who they are and write themselves.
It's not the story that makes the characters memorable it's strong characters that make the story memorable and leave the audience with the emotional impact!
Not true although attack on titan has good characters I would argue it's plot outshines it's characters and it has the best plot I've seen in fiction.
I have said this for years. In both movies and books if I can find a way to connect to the main character, the I can't connect with the book or movie. And he's right, the rest doesn't matter as much.
The book for Forrest Gump doesn't have the Jenny character in it. Just try to imagine that movie without the Forrest and Jenny dynamic.
My favorite "adaptation" movies are the one that change so much but are so good you basically have like two universes for the price of one. Forrest Gump, Apocalypse Now, Fight Club, Scarface, A History of Violence and many superhero movies
You know, funny because I was thi king about Forrest Gump. Basically the whole point is the character. Without Forrest being like he is, the plot wouldn't even be able to move forward because of he being so transported (don't want to use the word passive because is not what he is) by it.
The book was WAY better than the movie. Nonstop laughs!
In some films the characters and the plot are so interwoven that they both become equally memorable. Like beauty and the beast.
Coincidentally I just recently saw "Tenet" which is a really tightly written story with tons of action and complex concepts
BUT
the main character is literally credited as "protagonist" and is rather bland.
In another analysis someone theorized that Nolan is such a great director, you can safely assume he does everything on purpose. Which led to the conclusion that he might have experimented with the question: Can you compensate for missing "character" with hyper polished writing and really compact storyprogression etc?
turns out, not really
The movie is very watchable but in the end it feels predictably...distanced, because of the lack of character in it.
the protagonist ordered his hot sauce an hour ago
yes, nolan, everything is deliberate
It goes both ways for only focusing on character.
@@BrandonNinja Not really. Coming of age stories still a thing, and most of this type of this story doesnt have a plot.
Great characters will write the script themselves.
It's interesting listening to him talking about eating eggs. I am one of those people who cut around the yoke and eat it last in one bite. The reason I do this is actually the same reason he mixes the egg all together... because I find the yoke gross, so I don't want it spilling on my plate or touching anything else
I love his detail on how people eat their eggs sunny side up. He's so right the way a character organize their space tells you alot.
sounds like bro just goes thru peoples shit every time he pull up somewhere 😂
This is exactly why Tenet fell flat for me. Couldn't care about any one character presented
me too
I think, and others have said it too, Tenet almost qualifies as an experimental film in the sense it's completely technical, it's filled with non-characters.
Agreed.
2001 A Space Oddessy throws all this out of the window
Exactly my feelings on it too! My brother said I simply wasn't paying attention, but honestly I couldn't pay attention to it if I wanted to. It was in complete contrast with my experience with Inception, which had my glued to the screen.
He's correct about this and if we all think about it we know it.
Very few people can ever remember the plots in a Seinfeld episode (which, arguably didn't even exist) but they can still envision the petty walk of George, Seinfeld's straight face, Elaine swatting at him, Kramer swishing in.
Few can remember the plot to Star Wars (77) but everyone remembers boyish Luke, swashbuckling smartass Han Solo, feisty Leia and weirdly they remember a 'robot cyborg' Darth Vader. What was the plot? (film nerds probably do, actually the massive broad public could never recall the plot in any detail).
The most important thing isn't character. It is the font you use when typing. Comic sans will keep them reading to the end!
This guy is why I hate movies. So many movies have so many awful plot holes. I know I am an anomaly, and that he is right about most people. But I am one of those people who care only about the plot.
I care about plot as well as characters
Viewers remember characters the same way when a studio promotes a movie, it's the actors who interview with the media, appear on the late night talk shows, Comic-Con panels, etc. They get all the attention even though there's a whole team of creative talent working behind the camera including the screenwriter who you shouldn't ignore. The mind just thinks in terms of people, so that's what viewers gravitate to, not realizing that everything else is just as important.
When I hear that the Next film is a scorcese I'm interested but when I hear that it's Starring DiCaprio and Deniro I'm definitely going to watch it.
I remember reading the novel House of Sand and Fog (which was made into a great movie) and the book mentioned that one of the characters always toasted his glass lower than everyone else's because it was a sign of respect, and toasting higher than everyone means you value yourself over others. Not only do I remember that to this day, but I _do that_ now.
This is true in Korean society
I loved the skate key example. I think the skate key itself becomes a kind of character, an elemental force.
What if one of your character's parents suddenly decide to go to Del Boca Vista?
Very good interview with Jack. I agree. I have seen movies where I didn't care about the characters. Nothing interesting about them. No development. No character arcs. Just station to station writing or film making which was more like an amusement ride and you want to get off before it is over.
When I was young, I would go to pay phones and other coin operated machines and check the coin return. Found a few coins that way. Bought Wacky Packages, model airplanes and ships. We also collected the glass pop bottles and turned them in for money. Built a navy and an air force that way. We also bought a lot of Comic Books. What dies this tell people about my character?
This channel is awesome.
That payphone anecdote at the end reminds me of something else. When AIDS became a big scare in the mid-80s, an urban legend crept up that people were sticking infected needles in the payphone change slots just to be mean and infect people deliberately. The practice of digging one's finger into that slot was so ingrained into our lives that it sounded perfectly feasible (at least to me, as a dumb kid).
THIS WAS SO GOOD. I feel like I was just in a masters-level class for characterization and storytelling, holy smokes. High quality content!
This is the problem with modern writing. The obsession with characters development they loose the plot. The plot of progressions stalles because of this. Character interactions become convoluted and mundane.
Your 100% correct. Western writers have completely lost sight of what makes a great story because of their obsession with character. Most stories in the west now might as well all just be called the crazy life of "characters name". Because there is almost never anything in the plot that is worth a second thought.
One of the biggest example's that flies in the face of this over emphasis on character and their "development". Is in the manga/comic One Piece that I believe not too long ago became the #1 selling comic of all time.
This manga has gone on for decades and the main character besides becoming "stronger" has almost not changed at all. And has only had a handful of times where he "grew as character." And it's very minuscule. Like the usual, "oh someone I cared about passed away and I had to learn to move on." And that's like it... otherwise he is the same super positive, never give up, every one relies on character. He's been since the beginning
And if u look into the community at all u will actually see almost ALL discussion has nothing to do with character development at all.
You will see nothing but endless videos and threads about theories and about the direction of the story, the sub plots, the world, foreshadowing, and the history of the world.
And the reason people still follow this story to this day has almost entirely to do with the fact that people want to know about the history of the world and how all the elements of the story that have been introduced play out.
@@liberatedspirit3554 I think its the opposite. I mean look at the recent decade of marvel shit fest. All plot and oneliners no character. Same with star wars.
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What are you talking about?
Do you know what a character is versus a personality?
Do you know the difference between persona and personality?
English Lit education is garbage today. Readers have to be spoon fed.
If a character is not Melodramatic or Bombastic they say the character does not have a personality.
Heroes can neither villains nor antihero.
The Protagonist can be the for mentioned 3 and more.
A story is meant to tell you What happened to How it happened why it happened Where and When it gets, and sometimes Which one did it.
If your story answers those questions it is complete.
@@jeremysnead9233 Are you an avengers fan or not?
The guy he says ate the egg white without ever touching the yolk till the very end, when he scooped it with the fork, intact, into his mouth?
If I'd known he was looking at me I would have said, 'hello.'
I always find it fun when I let my characters lose on a situation just to see where they take the story. I can certainly relate to the advice of watching people for developing characters.
I like what Hemingway said about creating a novel. "It's like an iceberg. Nine tenths if it is underwater."
You don't see it but you feel it. All those little details the writer should know about a character aren't necessarily going to be used in the prose but the perspicacious reader will feel those tiny details in his soul. People try to imitate Hemingway but it's not authentic because they don't do the editing it takes to get it perfect, he said as he stroked the top of the cat's head gently palming her face.
When I was a kid, I would take a hard shell taco and dump the contents onto the paper wrap, then scoop it up with broken bits of shell (and eat) until it was completely gone. I can remember doing that when I was 6, and a friend's mom was completely shocked, almost appalled, but I cleaned it up by eating it so quickly that she dropped her concern altogether. I ate the second taco the same way.
Lmao bro eating it like nachos 😭
It depends on what drives the narrative. If it is character-driven, then we should remember the characters more. If it is story-driven, we remember the conflict more. An example of the latter is the film Volcano. For the life of me, I don't remember the characters, but I remember most of the major events which are the various stages of the volcano about to erupt. Another example is Scott Sigler's story Earthcore.
We should still, however, try to make interesting characters that fit into the setting and aesthetics of the story. We don't have to know every single thing about these characters, but they should make sense for the world in which they live. Let a soldier be disciplined. Let a rogue be a rogue. Let a princess fit with the political circumstances of their family. Their actions should fit what we know about their background.
Everyone has their thing, and what they do, and how they do it. I can really relate to Jack Grapes methods. Film Courage gives you so many perspectives for you to choose your lane. Keep them coming!!!!
Another thing that is also important about characters (especially the protagonist) is to make them relatable for people.
Love the women who post these questions, it’s soo soothing to hear her…!!!!
Its a great conversation, very structured, like most hollywood films that care about the content and not so much about the how is presented.. Characters can be developed by how the film is shot and edited without necessarily dialogue, like a character from a book, which is their base.
On the other hand, without plot, the audience will forget your characters and probably not be able to make it through your script. In a well written story, character and plot are indistinguishable because every major plot point is determined by the action that the protagonist chooses to take and the action that the protagonist chooses to take is what determines their character
In the early 1990s, to maybe the 2000s---I gotta check, we actually had pay phones still here in New Mexico. I was a young kid still checking that stupid little coin return slot for money. Even if I wasn't using the phone. Vending machines too.
It was easier to care about a measly $0.25 cents, back in the day.
This makes me think of the Matt Damon movie called The informant. I don't remember anything else that happened in that movie but what I do remember is his monologue about polar bears. That was such a really cool insight to the character and how he thinks and it had no bearing to anything that was going on in the movie.
Jack has a cute smile. I love his description of how people live. I recently started sharing again and forgot how weird people live. In the old days, I used to check people's record collection that's all I needed to know.
He’s my favourite professional of all you’ve interviewed. I build characters like that as an actor and as a writer.
Characters are like people, believe it or not.
like boa hancock from one piece stampede and indiana jones. :)
The little things. I like that. Very true. The smallest, tiniest little thing can say so much about a person, and be remembered more than anything
Some of the best advice for writers I have ever seen. Been people watching at cafes and bus stops and malls and on trains, etc for years.
Fantastic, used to hang out in cafes and bars watching people whilst writing and do the same, made two features so far and another working its way through my head.
Oooohhh i like this guy! how on earth is this the first time i'm seeing him? he's good, in fact a memory search of all the great films i.e Shawshank, had that voice tying you directly to the character
It's the little things that reflect on the character's persona
One of my favorite examples of this is RaCF: A Crack in Time. The actual story? A unfinished clusterfuck of jumbled lore and plotholes. The chracters? Some of the most memorable chracters I in any videogame I have ever played.
What are the best ways to develop a character?
Base them off people that you have known before in your life....or base them off certain actors that you have seen in movies before and try to put it together like that.
Adversity
@@Unknown90010 Historical figures also serve as a good basis for a character.
@@uriahl2331 I agree with you 💯 very good point
Using real life situations.
I have always scanned people's bookshelves when visiting them for the first time! Now, I'm going to start poking around in their fridges and medicine cabinets. ;)
"Honey, can we not invite your weird uncle over to the house anymore? He talked to me for 30 minutes about egg yolks, then I found him later rummaging through our medicine cabinet."
Your The Best, JACK GRAPES, YOUR THE BEST!!! I'm Going To Find One Of Your Classes, Too Learn. More. of The Great Things You Know !!!
Yes, this is so helpful! Of course, all these videos are all gems!
This was amazing. Learned a lot in 15 mins. Thank you
I feel like this guy could be a writer *and* a psychologist lol! I hadnt truly noticed how the little things are a mirror on how the characters are :0
Awesome video!
GENIUS !!! Thank you !! 😘❤
Wow! This just reminded me of how I used to check the coin drop in every pay phone I passed when I was a kid. I found coins all the time. One time I found a wallet with $100 inside in the phone booth. My mom contacted the owner and we returned it. He gave me $10 as a reward. I haven’t thought about that in years. Thanks for mentioning it. I might use it now sometime.
jacks demeanor when he talked bout the eggs hahahahha....he really knew he was giving some important info to us
What is important! the force drives the character to take action in specific situations. Sometimes circumstance force him to not take the action as well as take the action too. That will reveal his characteristics. But first and foremost, authenticity of the drive is vital.
This is fascinating. Feel like I could talk all day long about writing with Mr. Grapes.
EXCELLENT information! Thank you!
I think in some instances, the opposite can also hold true. If the characters are more a vehicle to take the reader/watcher/listener through the journey, the plot is what will be remembered and the characters not as much.
What made me think of this specifically is the anime/manga "Made in Abyss". The setting and plot are the most interesting aspects of the story, and the main characters are fairly straight forward, which leaves the setting and plot to make more of an impact than the characters themselves.
I thought he was going to say "You don't make the characters, the characters make YOU."
This is awesome! I actually feel like I was in a film class with one of the student's favourite professors
Story over character. The story is the sun, characters are the flowers. The story allows your characters to bloom.
Definitely something I needed to watch. I've been meaning to write something again, but haven't because I don't know what the plot is. I think going about it this way and just delving into the character's life and see where that takes me is the way to go. And while I'm all for small character details in how they enrich the character and story, I do think it's important not too add too much. T÷ last thing you want is to get attached to these small details and let them dictate the story whenever you decide to go another directions which might contradict almost superfluous detail. In any case. Great video!
That was a really good one. Thanks!!
I love that last comment about checking the coin return dish in a payphone.
Wow, it all makes sense. Every inspiring writer should listen to this.
I am a film writer and I can assure you what Jack said is absolutely correct!
Great interview about noticing the small stuff to create more interesting characters.
Even if I don't remember the suggestions he made, I'll always remember the fact that he goes in his friends medicine cabinets.
This is very true. Usually, the story is mostly a one and done thing, so it’s important that you have great characters so that there’s an opportunity to carry them onto the sequel story you have, kinda like what the MCU is doing and/or especially a TV show you’re making. The plot is there to make you like or hate the characters more, depending on the role. It’s a way to follow the characters and make them stick with you more.
I outline my story and plot, chapter by chapter, act by act, scene by scene (depending on what I'm doing), and then when I'm writing, I let the characters come alive and soon show me where they are going, what they're story and this journey is really about. And it's never a plot problem, or a story problem, that slows my writing, or that causes me to throw away a story. It's universally, and consistently, a character problem.
A character is authentic, they aren't as confident as I portrayed them in the beginning. They fail more than the plot and outline initially suggests. They aren't growing and the story isn't difficult enough for them. My characters teaches me everything that the story is. But they can only come to life in a world and in front of events that I first crafted. But I'm finding Jack Grapes amazing.
Love this. Very interesting
Happy! nailed this
Shout out to the interviwer. too. Very good questions and great listener.
"Jaws, I remember The Chief, Quint, and Hooper but what was the movie about again?"
"Star Wars, I vaguely remember that movie but only because of Han, Luke, and Leia, I have no memory of what it was about."
"The Sixth Sense, had Bruce Willis and Haley Osment, I don't remember their characters names but I also don't remember the plot."
Sorry for being a bit sarcastic but movies are good because the characters, the plot, the imagery, and the music are good. If any of those are lacking the movie is lacking. Good characters are needed? Yes absolutely but that isn't a holy grail. I'd argue that a movie is great because the story is great first. All the other elements finish the puzzle.
Yes of course, but you keep watching the movie because of the characters, their purposes, which are compelling enough, otherwise you would stop.
Star Wars is the world, but it's the story about Skywalkers. Without Luke purposes and inspirations, without Luke/Darth Vader dynamics or Luke/Leila dynamics are you really sure you would keep watching the first trilogy? Think if Han Solo was the real protagonist there, you think it would have the same Impact?
Idem for the Second trilogy with Anakin/Obi-Wan dynamics... But also Anakin core purposes and wishes, they literally changed that world.
And if you would be invested in the psychiatric/little boy dynamics for how they were, you wouldn't keep going watching the sixth sense.
Of course is not THE ONLY thing, but it's the FIRST think you need to have in a good story.
If you watch the old TV series, they lack the cgi, the graphics, sometimes even the music of today, but they are still good thank you to the characters first, because you cared about them or fascinated by them etc., then also for the story.
@@concettasorvillo3719 Personally I don't think there are a lot of compelling details about Luke or Darth Vader in the first movie. By the third one the most interesting detail about Luke is probably that he kissed his sister. In fact that detail, which has caused many to speculate that Lucas is lying when he says he planned Darth Vader's arc ahead of time is not the only detail that calls this claim into question. Vader acts very bizarrely for someone who knows that Leia is his daughter, especially for someone who supposedly has the capacity for redemption. Lucas is also not someone highly regarded for his grasp on character. So I think it's true that the first movie, at least, flies in the face of this rule to an extent, considering how insanely universally popular those movies are.
Wow.. So interesting and informative. Thank you
I love this series!
another Brilliant Video he always makes great points in an interesting way
I am now dying to hear this guy tell me a story
they dont make them like Jack Grapes anymore...you sir are the real deal....!!!
I LEARNED A LOT! THANK YOU!
This guy is a fascinating interview.
I read books and I realize I like the ones that are character based the most. I now know, thanks to this video that is the way it should be.
Somebody send this video to Nolan.