Great video new subscriber here. So what happened with the coolant on the side of the motor? Asking because I'm thinking about Aprilia for my next bike
The velocity stacks from carbonsmith are bit snake oil to me. The dude had small gains mostly at the VERY top of the rev range. Gabro has dozens of different velocity stacks he is only just now testing because he has an ecu flash now (public release coming soon). It's very difficult to justify air or fuel mods from a vendor who just slapped them on without the ability to tune AFR and actually test them properly.
I prefer to do simple maintenance myself. Don't trust dealer much. I have mechanics forgot to reinstall some bolts, good thing I checked, else I could die if the thing fell off while I am riding.
Hey Bill not fully done yet on the video but I just wanted to let you know I'm one of the guys who's talked to you about the restriction in power. I too don't have full details so, take my words with a grain of salt. The bike does not require him to remap or anything like that, the bike kind of already has 3 maps of power in memory, they all do because it's easier to manufacture at scale: one is 48bhp (A2 restricted licence as well as LAMS in UK and Aussieland I believe) then those bikes per law cannot go when unrestricted above 95hp to be homologated. And then, the normal full power 100hp map. What the bike will do is simply wait for that reset of the wrench thing to change from the A2 unrestricted 95hp map to the normal 100hp. No other involvement on it. So, I didn't get it fully clear in the video though: Have you also experienced the power gain? or know of others that aren't me? Because the few people who have denied this is a thing to me seemed very sure about it, while not working for Aprilia mostly just having asked. As you might expect by now... I have my own theory of what happened with the velocity stacks and is related to all of this topic of power restricted before service, but then... I think he mentioned he hasn't had his done. So conflictive information. Now... the ECU on this bike is extremely smart and new. And Aprilia is not a stranger to racing, and so probably expected some people to not go by the book of service and who knows really the chances of it realizing it's being used as a track bike and suddenly go into full power mode without any further input. The chances are decent enough to not rule it out immediately. Then I have to admit I'm a bit of a conspirationist lover so, again, always a grain of salt hehe Thanks in advance! Cheers.
So many bugs on that jacket haha. The RS 660 is just wow man, good information on this video man, let people know what to expect. Oh that effect is real, hell after I clean my bikes or cars they seem faster, and after an oil change it's like they're just super happy for taking care of them haha.
Manufacturers do a lot of things hidden to customers... mostly for the benefit of the customer but sometimes also safeguarding their back. If you go past the scheduled maintenance by a given amount, there might be a bit of software in the ECU to limit a bit of the top power for example and reseting after commanded in a visit to the dealer. This is not exactly a secret no one knows of, but they also won't often be clear or super loud about it.
@@HormigaZ also, with break in, some bikes limit the power anyways. There's a rev limit that after the break in period, it gets removed and the ecu is unlocked (not flashed).
@@oneonlyxram hahaha conveniently you can read my comment above and in previous videos of Cali, I'm one of the guys that knows well of this. And warned him on the first hand. Why? I have a bike that's restricted on power on the street for license reasons, but I run it on the track too. I'm having to go to many extents to have the bike be full power at the track while keeping it legal on the street. I basically need 2 ECUs. But we only arrived to that conclusion after not being able to by any means get the bike to map for full performance untill guess what? yeah, the service. Then I found my self having bought an expensive new ECU that was not needed. FML
@@oneonlyxram no, I'm in south Spain :) To be fair I do need the second ECU. One is for street and one is for track. I cannot be going to the guys who flash it before every trackday. This ends up being convenient, it's just been frustrating.
The small gain in horsepower is probably the different oil. Breaking oil tends to have a little bit more to it so it's a little more restrictive not to mention you got all these metal flakes floating around in your filter. Clean out the crud and put in some good oil that flows better and you have less restriction you're going to pick up that horsepower. It usually isn't much but four horsepower on a motorcycle I feel like you would probably feel that. My KTM 390 Adventure had the same 600 MI shift light and it automatically changed over as programmed by the ECU. Most of that power that you see is just the ECU basically unlocking itself and you being able to go higher in the reverse without the big old flashy light at you lol. That's just my opinion for my experience.
My nearest Aprilia dealer is 3 hours away. Do I really need to bring it in for the 600 mile oil change and torque check just to get the service light reset?
You mentioned exhaust a few time but can't see it in the playlist. What are you going for? Always had a love for Aprilias ever since my Aprilia AF1 Replica in the 80's ('88)
I just want to know if i can do the service reset without taking it to the dealer my aprilia is now over 600 miles and there is no aprilia dealer in my area i have to ship it to oahu to take it to the dealer
My traction was set at 5 bars, I lowered to 1. Wheelie control was at 3 bars, I turned it off entirely. It only does a slight lift of the front end at high rpm in 1st gear, anyway. Looking forward to ECU flash and exhaust when available.
I have the MIA, what would you like to know? Mind you I'm not yet ridding my bike because I'm waiting on additional parts, then I'll take it out of the dealer. I can tell you its supper easy to install you just need to buy the dongle, it comes with 2 screws that mount under the rear side fearing. I also have the USB mount and for that you need to take the windshield off and a small plate on top of the dashboard, that looks a bit more complicated...
@@MikeMaxin oh I see, I will let you know in this comment thread at the end of the month if I experience any issues ... normally the GPS spec is international so its probably the same hardware/soft everywhere ... my guess is if you live in cities with tall buildings, skyrises, the GPS signal will have issues acquiring ... usually phones get around that using the signals from the cell towers.
After watching the video again I like how the Mr tech dude puts his own foot in his mouth and tries to save it. He says yes and no and first says no because he just has to go in and make sure there isn't anything else to insinuate there's no trouble code or something but that turns around and says yes like he's unlocking something but he's not I don't think because I talked to another dealership and Aprilia directly and the customer care person I talk to said they haven't heard about anything like that. If it's anything like the KTM it is simply a pre-programmed shift light and maybe some timing adjustment and some fuel adjustment that is automatically unlocked after 600 miles but we shall see on my Tuareg
Mine went from 10,500 rpm shift light to 11,300 right after I hit 600 miles, on it's own. Biggest difference by seat of the pants was when I changed the mode settings. I thought " Dynamic " would be the strongest mode, like my BMW F 900 r, but turns out " Individual " gives you the least restrictive options.
Hello there! This week I am also going to my dealer for the first 600 mile service. I would like to know if you made the calls in order to figure out what does the ECU unlock actually do. Thanks!
Recall on valve shims for RS660. I have to take mine in tomorrow.
You’re right about this bike for Moto America kosher, now this gets me thinking 🤔, great video quality as always!
Great video new subscriber here. So what happened with the coolant on the side of the motor? Asking because I'm thinking about Aprilia for my next bike
Great video as always, appreciate the time & effort you put in to your channel! Will always do what I can to support, smash that like.......
The velocity stacks from carbonsmith are bit snake oil to me. The dude had small gains mostly at the VERY top of the rev range. Gabro has dozens of different velocity stacks he is only just now testing because he has an ecu flash now (public release coming soon). It's very difficult to justify air or fuel mods from a vendor who just slapped them on without the ability to tune AFR and actually test them properly.
I prefer to do simple maintenance myself. Don't trust dealer much. I have mechanics forgot to reinstall some bolts, good thing I checked, else I could die if the thing fell off while I am riding.
Hey Bill not fully done yet on the video but I just wanted to let you know I'm one of the guys who's talked to you about the restriction in power.
I too don't have full details so, take my words with a grain of salt.
The bike does not require him to remap or anything like that, the bike kind of already has 3 maps of power in memory, they all do because it's easier to manufacture at scale: one is 48bhp (A2 restricted licence as well as LAMS in UK and Aussieland I believe) then those bikes per law cannot go when unrestricted above 95hp to be homologated. And then, the normal full power 100hp map.
What the bike will do is simply wait for that reset of the wrench thing to change from the A2 unrestricted 95hp map to the normal 100hp.
No other involvement on it.
So, I didn't get it fully clear in the video though:
Have you also experienced the power gain? or know of others that aren't me? Because the few people who have denied this is a thing to me seemed very sure about it, while not working for Aprilia mostly just having asked.
As you might expect by now... I have my own theory of what happened with the velocity stacks and is related to all of this topic of power restricted before service, but then... I think he mentioned he hasn't had his done. So conflictive information.
Now... the ECU on this bike is extremely smart and new. And Aprilia is not a stranger to racing, and so probably expected some people to not go by the book of service and who knows really the chances of it realizing it's being used as a track bike and suddenly go into full power mode without any further input. The chances are decent enough to not rule it out immediately.
Then I have to admit I'm a bit of a conspirationist lover so, again, always a grain of salt hehe
Thanks in advance! Cheers.
Any issues with going in for service if I have my ECU flashed via upmap already? Should I flash it back to stock first?
So many bugs on that jacket haha. The RS 660 is just wow man, good information on this video man, let people know what to expect. Oh that effect is real, hell after I clean my bikes or cars they seem faster, and after an oil change it's like they're just super happy for taking care of them haha.
Manufacturers do a lot of things hidden to customers... mostly for the benefit of the customer but sometimes also safeguarding their back. If you go past the scheduled maintenance by a given amount, there might be a bit of software in the ECU to limit a bit of the top power for example and reseting after commanded in a visit to the dealer.
This is not exactly a secret no one knows of, but they also won't often be clear or super loud about it.
@@HormigaZ also, with break in, some bikes limit the power anyways. There's a rev limit that after the break in period, it gets removed and the ecu is unlocked (not flashed).
@@oneonlyxram hahaha conveniently you can read my comment above and in previous videos of Cali, I'm one of the guys that knows well of this. And warned him on the first hand.
Why? I have a bike that's restricted on power on the street for license reasons, but I run it on the track too. I'm having to go to many extents to have the bike be full power at the track while keeping it legal on the street. I basically need 2 ECUs. But we only arrived to that conclusion after not being able to by any means get the bike to map for full performance untill guess what? yeah, the service. Then I found my self having bought an expensive new ECU that was not needed.
FML
@@HormigaZ oh damn, are you in the US??
@@oneonlyxram no, I'm in south Spain :) To be fair I do need the second ECU. One is for street and one is for track. I cannot be going to the guys who flash it before every trackday. This ends up being convenient, it's just been frustrating.
I want one of these bikes so bad!!! Yeah the yellow one!!!! 😁
The small gain in horsepower is probably the different oil. Breaking oil tends to have a little bit more to it so it's a little more restrictive not to mention you got all these metal flakes floating around in your filter. Clean out the crud and put in some good oil that flows better and you have less restriction you're going to pick up that horsepower. It usually isn't much but four horsepower on a motorcycle I feel like you would probably feel that. My KTM 390 Adventure had the same 600 MI shift light and it automatically changed over as programmed by the ECU. Most of that power that you see is just the ECU basically unlocking itself and you being able to go higher in the reverse without the big old flashy light at you lol. That's just my opinion for my experience.
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My nearest Aprilia dealer is 3 hours away. Do I really need to bring it in for the 600 mile oil change and torque check just to get the service light reset?
any idea on how to reset the maintenance wrench? Or will we have to take it to the dealer after every maintenance intervals?
You mentioned exhaust a few time but can't see it in the playlist. What are you going for?
Always had a love for Aprilias ever since my Aprilia AF1 Replica in the 80's ('88)
I just want to know if i can do the service reset without taking it to the dealer my aprilia is now over 600 miles and there is no aprilia dealer in my area i have to ship it to oahu to take it to the dealer
You can do the service, but the light will stick around.
I want to get this bike but i stay in Illinois my closest dealer is 350miles , i dont want to ride 350 miles every service 🤦♂️
My traction was set at 5 bars, I lowered to 1.
Wheelie control was at 3 bars, I turned it off entirely.
It only does a slight lift of the front end at high rpm in 1st gear, anyway.
Looking forward to ECU flash and exhaust when available.
@@CaliMotoTV Have been wrenching for over 50 years. I AM the suspension person. 😎
weird, i thought wheelie control was on/off on the RS 660... how could it have been at "3 bars"? did you mean traction control?
where are you located always see riding around napa my stomping grounds maybe wanna see what i have done to a aprilia dorsoduro not stock at all.
Nice see you around then
I’m really trying to convince myself to get one of these. Unfortunately the eurocycle service dept in my area is completely incompetent.
👀 If you don't mind asking, what's your area?
@@CaliMotoTV Las Vegas
Every videos are very funny thank you for your efforts
Hey Bill, Did you ask them about the MIA connection? Also what did they say about that coolant you mentioned.
I have the MIA, what would you like to know? Mind you I'm not yet ridding my bike because I'm waiting on additional parts, then I'll take it out of the dealer.
I can tell you its supper easy to install you just need to buy the dongle, it comes with 2 screws that mount under the rear side fearing.
I also have the USB mount and for that you need to take the windshield off and a small plate on top of the dashboard, that looks a bit more complicated...
@@DarkInovator yeah I know he has it installed but a lot of users were having issues connecting the GPS to the dash at least here in the states.
@@MikeMaxin oh I see, I will let you know in this comment thread at the end of the month if I experience any issues ... normally the GPS spec is international so its probably the same hardware/soft everywhere ... my guess is if you live in cities with tall buildings, skyrises, the GPS signal will have issues acquiring ... usually phones get around that using the signals from the cell towers.
@@DarkInovator sounds good thanks!
After watching the video again I like how the Mr tech dude puts his own foot in his mouth and tries to save it. He says yes and no and first says no because he just has to go in and make sure there isn't anything else to insinuate there's no trouble code or something but that turns around and says yes like he's unlocking something but he's not I don't think because I talked to another dealership and Aprilia directly and the customer care person I talk to said they haven't heard about anything like that. If it's anything like the KTM it is simply a pre-programmed shift light and maybe some timing adjustment and some fuel adjustment that is automatically unlocked after 600 miles but we shall see on my Tuareg
Mine went from 10,500 rpm shift light to 11,300 right after I hit 600 miles, on it's own.
Biggest difference by seat of the pants was when I changed the mode settings.
I thought " Dynamic " would be the strongest mode, like my BMW F 900 r, but turns out " Individual " gives you the least restrictive options.
@Rude Dog The shift light rpm can be changed in the settings.
PD.
All bikers know what you did with that pickup truck at the end ... :P
Is it like a ducati where the dealer have to reset the service light everytime you do oil change yourself?
Yes.
Wait, the power delivery is restricted until a dealership unlocks it?
There's supposedly a couple horsepower 🤷♂️
@@CaliMotoTV where you able to verify that anywhere?
I love when the service tech tries to explain an overpriced oil change disguised as a 600 service 😂😂😂
Hello there! This week I am also going to my dealer for the first 600 mile service.
I would like to know if you made the calls in order to figure out what does the ECU unlock actually do.
Thanks!
@@CaliMotoTV Okay! No problem 😉
Powder coat the front wheel black already lol... anyways great video💪
Red rim tape on rear and black rim tape on front will fix it lol
@@bbguardsp 😂😂😂😂
red looks waaay better imo
you spelled "paint the rear rim red" wrong
Hey Bill, My RS660 has 10Miles. Already got a check engine light :-(
That happens to me too the throttle position sensor was my problem
@@motozest7856 my friend has changed his r6's engine completely, he bought Yamaha, soooo.... Don't worry aprilia is a very good brand
How much is the first service?
Nevermind...i asked before you mentioned it in the video.
@@CaliMotoTV hahaha