We desperately need to go back to Sorna at some point. It holds so much potential, I know I say this a lot but I think a prequel focusing on site b is one of the best options for this franchise right now.
When we were teased the sorna crate, I was hoping for, maybe at very least, the intro be the evacuation of sorna in 95(?). What a waste of a tease and potential
I would like that I would also like possibly a movie with some undercover work because another Group/company doing genetic work illegally on an island but not the best scientist or equipment so they can make smaller dinosaurs accurate but the bigger they go like trying to make a T Rex most of them die off and the only one that lives is the two headed T-Rex that they were thinking about using at one point and they have a guy on the inside like Nick Vanowen going undercover to help Barry in Franklin Maybe the head bad guy that footing this research is the lady who trains the atrciraptors And we find out that that’s not what we need to worry about and just like the old Dino crisis games or the old science fiction dark tension and horror that we had from the original two Jurassic parks the UltraSaurus plus a TV/Netflix show that goes through all different times before during and after and in between the films that’s an anthology series hour long episodes five+ seasons and being an anthology series some episodes could be tension suspense some could be fast and furious action some could be straight up horror and some could be somewhat child friendly Uno baby dinosaurs but it would all tied together and tie to the movies maybe even some of the characters that were sidekicks from the movies could show up in certain episodes during certain timelines like Billy or Lex and Tim or the Kirbys maybe possibly even the Kirbys when the dinosaurs got loose on the mainland with an anthology series different styles characters and time is all possible that’s why I think it’s the best fit for the future of the Franchise Edit spelling
i think it should have been before the evac just focusing on the island as a whole. Like helena walkers dossiers from ark survival evolved the video game. Following some new character whos zoologist working for in-gen studying the dinosaurs on the island. Then everything slowly goes to shit when they find out about the spino for example and other shit like that
This theory kind of validates the Locust. BioSyn created the Locust to fund their other ventures like housing the dinosaurs and research of those creatures. By monopolizing the food/farming industry, the company could bring in the capital to continue doing research and make BioSyn look like the good guys by providing sanctuaries for the dinosaurs now loose all over the world.
What I wanted to see in JWD is Lewis Dodgson and his men traveling to Isla Sorna to retrieve Dinosaur eggs and bring them back to Biosyn, that would've been a cool reference from The Lost World novel by Michael Crichton. Sadly, it didn't happened.
Perhaps it could happen in a prequel just as the same events that happened in the book with the story focusing on Dodgson's Expedition in Isla Sorna with only Dodgson surviving it.
I think Nedry was selling DNA a lot longer than we commonly think. His relationship with Dodson seemed way too familiar and we caught his last attempted transaction in JP.
Yes, such as when he says "Don't get cheap on me dodgson". Plus he would have had to scout out a disgruntled employee and build some type of relationship with them. The theft Nerdy died attempting was in actuality a really huge deal. Years of research in a few minutes.
@@MattMoseley-po6bo BioSyn might of used Nedry on their facilities in the past. Nedry could of been on the run from government agencies for hacking software. Which is why he preferred cash and no paper trails.
@@MattMoseley-po6bo i wouldn't at all be surprised if Biosyn had hired multiple people to be working on the park. Such as construction workers or security. Blue collar jobs that don't have access to classified information but would also have less thorough background checks. They could relay back to Biosyn, not only what they are working on or see. But also rumours they hear
Fun fact: In the original book (the very first one), the dinosaurs are already on the mainland at the very start before the main plot has even begun. The first 2 or 3 chapters are about "unkown creatures" that were attacking a young girl at the beach (The opening of 2nd film on the island orriginally took place on the mainland at the start of the first book) and a baby in a nursery that was killed. The comps and later the velocoraptors escaped the island on the supplyboats.
It's nice to see you making videos about Jurassic lore again. Back to the video, they say in Dominion that Biosyn has been mining their own amber since the 90s so technically Biosyn could have had their own species of dinosaurs on the mainland even back then.
This highlights *one* issue I have with “Dominion,” and it’s this; I feel BioSyn wasn’t fully reintegrated well back into the wider saga story of the franchise in this film. This is _the_ rival genetics company (🧬) of INGEN that was introduced all the way back in 1993, and NOW they’re rearing their head and rising as the dominant genetics company of the world post-Lockwood Manor incident? The *casual* viewer might not really understand what it is about BioSyn that makes them such a threat due to the fact that they’ve been absent from the franchise for the longest time (until recently, that is).
The biggest issue for me is how the RIVAL company that was the ultimate threat in the books was napalmed in the films by giving them crappy intentions of having Locusts eats other crops to promote their own brand. Like, seriously…that’s it? No cloning dinosaurs for important reasons, no virus, no unique developments, just locusts to promote your own crops?
@@jeremyrodriguez9763 I can understand why you feel like that’s an issue. You would expect a mega corporation that’s established as the primary antagonists to do something that generates much _higher_ stakes for the world and for the protagonists.
Came right when I got notified Klayton! Left a like too! I’m so glad that Site B is now getting answers in the new lore with! I remember all the speculation videos you and others made about what happened to the dinosaurs on site B! It was great tho seeing the Buck and Doe Rex in Dominion, the Buck being my favorite dinosaur in the franchise wish we could’ve saw it more!
Funnily enough, I recently watched Jack Ewins' timeline video on the progression of the dinosaurs between the islands up until Dominion. Basically Dodgson was doing this kind of dinosaur movement to his site in secret LONGER than InGen was out of action and the Nublar dinosaurs were in peril and moved off the island. Dang it, Colin, it's like unintentional five dimensional chess here... That being said, megacorporations committing enormous corporate fraud while keeping things quiet isn't unheard of in our world. But it usually not this complicated.
In an interview during Dominion's release, Trevorrow said that when Biosyn was given rights to round up all dinosaurs worldwide, this meant ALL dinosaurs - whether escaped from Nublar, newly resurrected species on the black market, and those on Isla Sorna, which is why Ramsey mentions Sorna and why the buck and doe rex are there. Canonically, there were still dinosaurs on Sorna up until Dominion. I can't find the exact tweet, but I know the talk about Sorna being destroyed was essentially 'de-canonized' and said to be propaganda created by the DPG. My theory is that Trevorrow originally wanted Sorna destroyed (explaining the flippant attitudes toward it in JW and FK) but saw how the fans reacted poorly to this and so retconned Sorna into actually still being around. And thanks to Camp Cretaceous it's canonical that Mantah Corp was plucking species off the island as recently as 2016. So yeah, current canon according to Trevorrow himself is there were dinosaurs on Sorna at LEAST until 2018. After FK Biosyn was granted rights to all the dinos, including those on Sorna, and then began transferring them off. Edit: I found the original quote: 'As for Biosyn itself, while Dominion doesn’t explain exactly what the company was up to during the rise and fall of Jurassic World, Trevorrow did offer up his own thoughts on how Biosyn likely got back in the dinosaur game: “This is just how I see it, we don’t define it as clearly in the movies, but I always saw it as the fall of Jurassic World was an opportunity for them and the combination of being able to secure the rights to get the animals from Sorna, which we mention that they do, to [being] able to take the animals that are now not only being created at various points across the globe, but have escaped and all of those embryos, everything that got out that they’ve been able to come up with, in a lot of ways, a really justifiable reason, an excuse to lay out to all these different governments, ‘Hey, are these dinosaurs a problem for you? Bring them over here. We’re gonna give them a safe space and we’re gonna give them shelter, and we don’t have to talk about any other kind of experiments we may be running because no one has to know about that.’”
"This is just how I see it, we don’t define it as clearly in the movies," Motherfucker, you're the director, how incompetent do you have to be? If YOU see it that way, YOU can put it in the movie! God, this just pisses me off.
@@KlaytonFioriti Yeah :( I wish the movies were just upfront about what happened with Sorna rather than just giving hints and implications through interviews. Even Camp Cretaceous never really explained Sorna, even though they specifically said the rexes and the spino were taken from the island. I guess it just continued as a dinosaur preserve, or was sometimes used to stock exhibits at Jurassic World.
One thing that always bugged me is In the last movie Dodgson has the The SHAVING CREAM can from the first movie on his office, that means at sometime they went to Isla Nublar after the first movie but before the can was lost forever
Those Sorna dinosaurs are DIFFERENT! I love the idea of us returning to Site B..I think I would want a more horror movie based on people going there believing the island is empty…then the spinosaurus appears 😂😂🏃🏾♂️💨
Isla sorna is honestly one of my favorite things in the Jurassic franchise it has so much potential and it feels like ever since fans asked for more info about sorna the writers of the Jurassic world movies were just like “do we really have to?”
It would have been more interesting if they had gone into more detail of biosyn's plan of how they got the dinosaurs off of site b without the public's knowledge.
That is a very good question, and it's something that I have no idea how to answer. The idea of taking Sorna's dinosaurs into the BioSyn Valley had to have had some people discovering, or at least hearing rumors about, before the events of "Fallen Kingdom", but the fact that it was so secretive just boggles my mind. Maybe because the events of "Jurassic World" were such a global story on the news that it distracted people from BioSyn, or something, I'm not sure.
I've always loved these movies but only recently got caught up into the lore with Dominion and Camp Cretaceaus. I just always thought I just "missed something" when it came to "site B" but now I know it wasn't just me. Great channel! SUBSCRIBED!
Pretty Interesting and somewhat impressive and I pretty much agree with you on this and it could work perfectly for the Jurassic World franchise in my opinion. Great work and as always, Take It Easy.
Hello Klayton! My name is Jacob and I'm a huge jurassic fan and decided to make a novel that takes place on sorna during hurricane clarissa. The characters are a paleontologist, genetic engineer, and security guard that get caught up in the evacuation and are let stranded with all of the newly released dinosaurs. I was wondering, if you would know, if any of the dinosaurs that were released would have been close to full size or somewhere in the ball park of being sub-adult? The reason I ask this is because it would be nice for the characters to be able to encounter larger specimens and not just juveniles and chicks.
For those who want to know according to Jurassic pedia it said that biosyn been taking dinosaurs off of isla sorna in the late 2010s so? They been doing these for a while.
This!! I’m so glad you made this video bringing all this up! I’ve been thinking about it since dominion came out. When I knew Dodgson was coming back I figured that basically the events of TLW in the book happened but worked out in his favor and that it was going to be explored in the movie. My idea was that Dodgson was successful in taking dinos from Sorna at the same time as TLW and that Biosyn was creating their own dinos in secret and releasing them into the real world when they found out that the dinos were set loose in FK. I had the idea that the main cast noticed the different versions and amounts of dinosaurs was more than what was set loose in FK and that they would discover Biosyn and all the while Biosyn and Dodgson would get background and character development to tie it in with JP and TLW. I hoped that Dodgson on Sorna in the 90’s taking baby dinos would be a good opening sequence. Anyways that was just what I really wanted from dominion but unfortunately we didn’t lol
Ok, Sorna was never mentioned in any of the Jurassic World movies. Not once. Colin Trevarrow even said he didn't consider 2 or 3 canon anymore, probably because they completely obliterate FK's plot. Even if they moved all the dinos from site B to A, the island erupted and all but like 50 of them died. And that wouldn't have stopped them from being able to move them all back to site B before the eruption. I know at the end of the first JP novel they bombed Nublar, but that didn't happen in the films and they went back to that island for JW1.
It’s actually mentioned by name in both Fallen Kingdom and Dominion. Colin never said 2 and 3 weren’t canon either. That was fake tabloid news that he even stated wasn’t true. In Fallen Kingdom Eli Mills says “Before the island, Sorna, Jurassic Park, Hammond and Lockwood built a lab” and in Dominion Ramsey Cole states “The first generation were taken from Sorna” while Dr. Wu later states “She was with us on Site B”. I’m paraphrasing but that info is spoken on screen more than once. I’m not happy about how they handled Site B much at all when it comes to actually showing stuff but it’s definitely there in the movies
I've always found it funny they consistently moving the dinosaurs like cattle. The T-Rex among other species have been moved from Isla Nublar and Sorna, to the main land and then to the spot in the Alps during Dominion... That's a lot for an extincted species
In dominion, there are the underground dino sellers. I always presumed since the tech is out there multiple underground companies, including Biosin, have been growing dinos without the press, the public, or Ingen knowing.
@@LeoTheYuty I understand it a joke but I really don’t see the similarities to transformers with the brads at all But yeah the robot were pretty dumb I mean we not that far into the future that Jurassic has to use robot
I actually never thought about this and now that you have brought it up it completely changes things and makes the canon lore so much more complicated. If Biosyn had their own amber supply since the 90s and had some control over InGen as far back as the early as 1999 then why in the hell would they have wanted to steal from InGen? was it just for revenge? If so InGen always had extra viable embryos at their disposal, it’s not like Dennis Nedry took Jurassic Park’s whole supply. On the hand, while I still hate JWD main plot revolving around locusts they do make some sense now given that the context you created explains how Biosyn should have been loosing money if they had to maintain the Dino’s from Sorna; the locusts and their seeds would have made a great source of income in order to keep funding their projects and research on dinosaurs. Here’s the problem with that, they could have done so before JP3. I’m pretty sure Dr. Wu was still part of InGen back when the amalgam testing was going on and supposedly Biosyn was secretly controlling that operation, who’s to say they couldn’t have gotten him to make those locusts during that period. Why wait now? I’m still super confused by it all and don’t grasp it fully but that’s what I’ve gotten from all this
Anyone else think Ingen was stupid for cloning/breeding dinosaurs for money when the real money would have been in bringing back plant species to exploit for pharmaceutical purposes? I mean in the first movie we see Sattler looking at a plant species that supposedly had been extinct since the cretaceous, so we know they can bring back plants.
First off, great video once again. Second: I keep seeing this awesome JP franchise animation you keep using, like at the start of this video. Where can I see the thing?! And what was it made for?!
A cool story would be that the main characters get word that somebody from Hammond’s team snuck Dinos into isla sorna after isla nublar erupted, so they go to take inventory of the population
What I really want to know is how the press got SO much information on Maisie. It was initially such a closely guarded secret and it's in the best interests of everyone involved, good or bad, even the GOVERNMENT to keep that secret, but they just casually chuck that into the information dump report at the beginning of Dominion.
Yeah... Michael Crichton's second Jurassic Park book, 'Lost World', was set on Isla Sorna, Where Hammond has a second, secret facility. This was where all the real work of genetic modification, and rearing the dinosaurs were done, not the showcase lab that was part of the tour round Jurassic Park. Whilst on Isla Sorna, the protagonists discover that the dinosaurs they encounter are very young: they are breeding and dying far earlier than anyone expected. Eventually, they learn that due to the way the first generation was raised, and then to both the overpopulation of the island, and the fact it was easily transmitted and was highly contagious, all the dinosaurs are infected with a prion disease known only as DX. This disease will ultimately lead to the re-extinction of dinosaurs, since. Another story thread that got mentioned in the very first film, almost in passing, was again, a far bigger plot line in the book, leading to some dinsaurs escaping off the islands onto mainland South America. This was the Lysine Contingency. It's mentioned just once in the Jurassic Park film as a failsafe to ensure escaped dinosaurs didn't survive. In the book, it's explained that all the dinosaurs were genetically engineered so they couldn't make the amino acid Lysine in their own bodies. Their only supply of the chemical came in the specially designed food they were fed at the park, and without this supply they would quickly die off. However, at the end of the book that some strange bird like creatures have been seen heading into the forested mountains at the back of the mainland close. As they've migrated they've attacked small farms and eaten a very limmited range of foodstuffs, specificalluy, Chickens and Agama beans... both rich in Lysine. It's implied the animals have overcome their built in deficiency by learning to eat stuff full of it.
My guess is that Ramsey said that so casually to call the attention about the irregularities and crimes Biosyn has been committing from the start. The story of the sanctuary would be an interesting prequel movie, or a series.
It was mentioned on the site that some of the dinos were evacuated from Sorna after the catastrophe and sent to Jurassic World, it's possible that some of the transports delivering the Animals "mysteriously disappeared" (were bribed by biosyn). Also it was speculated in JP3 that Spiny was the result of meddling by Ingeen after the park was turned into a sanctuary. Not only does the destruction by Spiny reenforce the idea that it brought ecological collapse on Sorna, but if they can so easily have brought Animals onto the Island (as well as all the tourism that apparently happens which is how Erik got stranded) then it wouldn't be too difficult to take them off either.
I wonder what the 3rd Jurassic park novel would be about if Micheal lived longer! I would of wished for him to introduce a sort of water Dino.Not a mosasaur something scarier.
Actually, the idea that BioSyn was selling DNA on the back market before Jurassic World: Dominion would explain why there are so many different species that were not only not in the Lockwood Manor but also not even officially on Ingen's list
The Costa Rican and/or US government(s) could have secretly decided to move some of the dinos off of Site B for safety reasons and turned to Biosyn to do it. The governments could then have been secretly paying Biosyn all this time to house and take care of those dinos. Its not outside the realm of possibility.
Finally got to see Dominion and holy shit was it fantastic. I grew up with the privilege of viewing the og trilogy in theatre and I actually think Dominion is a close tie for second best in the whole franchise..
In production it's kind of sobering the remember that a lot of executives and higher-ups working on the projects of the film's probably thought fans didn't give a damn about the initial two sequels. After all the sort of reference was only thrown into Fallen Kingdom last minute and because of the viral marketing. The 2010s were very weird when it came to the nostalgia boom because there was a lot of assumptions that certain franchise has had a lot of nostalgic fans but the fans were only nostalgic about the first iteration and installment. I think my the latter part of the 2010s and then especially by the 2020s, studios and creators had wised-up.
the 1998 game "jurassic park: tresspasser" took place in site b as well. not sure how much the game is considered canon these days, but it was cool to walk through such an important place in the jurassic park universe even though the game was pretty experimental and buggy.
Biosyn Seed is how they off set the cost. If you get multiple Nation to just buy from you as well as Independent Farmers, then release a Locust that only eat competition, wham you control the market. You don't need to hit every crop just the 10 Major in everything like Corn, Wheat, Rice, Soy, Potato, etc.
Yeah I really want to see Sorna back and maybe the other sister islands. That be very cool to see. And yeah now that you mention it how did they get the rexes of the island without anyone knowing ?
I really think that the last three movies created problems where there shouldn't have been. I also think they made plot holes that changed the way we look at the franchise. I really didn't like the way it all ended. I don't think Crichton would have been pleased with how it finished itself off.
Bro take the island from dominion & set it after the events of JW3, have it as a dark horror type movie. Private military trying to get some sort of secret from the main building, they crash land before getting to their destination and have to get past a bunch of dinosaurs. Use similar events like the T-Rex scene from the lost world or the Denis nerdy death from the books. Instant money maker
The idea of moving Dino’s from island to island is super annoying! Especially for the Dino’s just leave them and let them get used to their environment as long as they live ! They could always extract dna and steal eggs to continue a new island or whatever
Because The Lost World movie was so different from the novel, they could literally remake it and keep it very similar to the book without it impacting much on the continuity of the franchise.
Honestly, it's writer incompetence and not knowing their damn lore. I'll be honest here Klayton, the more I look at the Jurassic World movies, the more comparisons I can make between it and the sequel trilogy of Star Wars: - Jurassic World is basically The Force Awakens because it kind of rethreads the very first movie (Jurassic Park and A New Hope). People liked it enough and it made a shitton of money. - Fallen Kingdom is basically The Last Jedi. Convoluted mess of a story with too many plot threads, too many characters and a bunch of things that don't make a lick of sense, least liked movie in the trilogy. -Dominion is basically The Rise of Skywalker. Tries to tie up the messy plotlines from the movies that came before, give a shitton of fanservice yet drops the ball so hard that it makes a damn crater, however it's at least mildly more enjoyable than the movie that came before it. EDIT: I almost forgot to add here that it retcons shit from the previous movie! JWFK/TLJ -> "You're a clone of Lockwood's daughter, Charlotte, he lost her and he couldn't live without her"/"You're a nobody" to JWD/TRoS -> "Charlotte Lockwood is actually your mother and she basically cloned herself and cured her uncurable disease because she da best!"/"You're Palpatine's granddaughter." Hell, even who directed it mirrors the sequel trilogy! JW/TFA -> Trevorrow/Abrams, JWFK/TLJ -> Bayona/Johnson, JWD/TRoS -> Trevorrow/Abrams. But the throughline here is that the people behind both of these series of movies don't know what the fuck they were doing and didn't THINK about the lore and how it all fits together. They just threw things together without care.
5:00 Was it ever confirmed that those were the exact same buck and die from TLW? The other male T. rexes in the series (the infant and the JP3 Rex) are green. We also see that Rexy, a female is brown, just like the doe. I always figured that all male T. rexes were green, and all females were brown.
My question is, we saw things like the chaos effect toy line. While not cannon, Ingen by the whole island chain. So, they could technically make it cannon. While Site B is the “factory floor”, it’s been said that it was mostly for show, and very little actual research was done there. They just raise the animals and then ferry them over to Site A. So naturally, the actual R&D happened on one of the other islands. Which leaves a lot of possibilities for some freaky stuff.
Learning more about BioSyn gathering the Sorna dinosaurs would've been great to see in "Dominion." I still can't get over that film for focusing on those stupid locusts instead of DINOSAURS in a "Jurassic Park/World" movie, let alone the supposed conclusion that's meant to tie everything together.
How is it possible that Biosyn did this when the islands that belonged to Ingen, and later Masrani? It has been established that the in-between of the Lost World and Jurassic Park 3 that Henry Wu came back and continued in his research. How could they have taken the animals and not get noticed?
I think biosyn made a lot of money under the table with research. Because people have known about ingen and the dinosaurs for years. They could make tons of money with selling to the world of paleontology/paleobiology or even the field of genetics. We know how many people want dinosaurs so if they can’t have them then the next best thing is the ability to make their own or getting them second hand from biosyn
I have to ask, then, what happened to the Spino? Heard rumors that it was in the Dolomites too, but don't know if there is any cannon confirmation to it
You need to look at the original books to understand who Biosyn really is, specifically Crichton’s The Lost World. Dominion does a terrible job at explaining the corruption, reverse engineering, and corporate espionage that Dodgson was responsible for. He is NOT the Steve Jobs archetype figure as he is portrayed. In the books (which should always be canon) he is a cold-hearted, menace. To your point, if Biosyn somehow succeeded in kidnapping dinosaurs or embryos off of the island, their end game wasn’t for entertainment, it was to exploit an animal species and experiment their pharmaceuticals on them without governmental regulation. Therefore, they could still make turn a profit while continuing their shady and unethical business practices. The Biosyn in dominion is a far cry from what Crichton described.
We really needed more sense in all of this if you look at all of this as a fan, you can kind of connect the dots and twist and bend the story so it fits. But as a casual movie goer.. none of my friends enjoy JP as a franchise and they don‘t care. That is the sad part
Honestly it makes sense that Biosyn wanted to keep the dinosaurs for so long on the DL even if it costed money. They were just waiting for the right time to use them to make them profitable. If word got out about the failure of OG Jurassic Park, then the public's perception of dinosaurs wouldn't be so great. Maybe they were waiting for the Jurassic World to be a success before being like "hey we have dinos too"
I’m not a content creator, at least yet, so I have no home base to share with, but damn. I’d love to sit and talk Jurassic, or a specific topic on Jurassic. We are on the same page with so much, differ in random areas (mainly TLW). You’d be a blast to just nerd out with. If you ever do videos with you and fans commentating or just chatting- I’ll gladly toss my hat in the ring.
Hi klayton you do amazing content. I am a big fan of TLW and it always make me curious how the set of the operation center looked like. There is really no data how the OC loked like inside and what was in the right side of the the building a long with the back.before they change it for embryonic admistrration I would really dig a episode dedicated the set of the workers village. I know that it is your favorite movie and a lot of people like me dig JP2 mire then anything else . Thanks regards 👍👍
If they capture the male and female tyrannosaurus from site being then what happened to the baby T-Rex in the lost world junior where is he wearing his whereabouts is he alive or is he ok or did they capture him as well
Hey Klayton i think this video idea might be outdated. But back in jurassic park 3 when we first see the t rex eating a corpse of a unknown dinosaur and i was wondering if u would like to do a video talking about this unknown dinosaur that has been eaten. Prob could be a spinosaurus or some other creature.
This exact premise for a video. Dude I noticed that and have been looking on the deep lore vids for an explanation but thanks, now I know, the producers of the movie didn’t give a shit about lore and I’m thinking about it “too much”
What is also crazy is that Isla Siena is even bigger compared to Nublar, and it isn’t your theme park designed island. Like before it’s the experimenting ground, and a lot more wild. I think it’s considerably lazy writing that they just wrote off that they all just died, and just left it at that. I mean is it the Lysine contingency or something, because I thought the dinosaurs had firmly established their own ecosystem on their own. I don’t know these newer movies are not as good as the originals, but it’s good to hear about this universe and hear the old music he uses in explains this stuff again. 😀👍😎
The Lost World Novel definitly goes more into the details of Sorna. In the book, they focus on the infrastructure, dinosaur behavior on the island and what was going on behind. I recommend both novels very much.
Id like to think that Biosyn probably bought and sold dinos from sorna on the black market for many years while Jurassic World was running. I think dinos have been loose on the mainland for a lot longer than people have known. Even before Fallen Kingdom I bey
In the second book, at Site B they couldn't figure out how to keep the dinosaurs alive for very long, unless they released them out into the wilds. Even then they had a high death rate. They weren't really counting or able to count survivors. And that is a prime opportunity for some group to get to site B and steal baby dinos, all they really need is to observe when they get released and snatch them up shortly after.
We desperately need to go back to Sorna at some point. It holds so much potential, I know I say this a lot but I think a prequel focusing on site b is one of the best options for this franchise right now.
When we were teased the sorna crate, I was hoping for, maybe at very least, the intro be the evacuation of sorna in 95(?). What a waste of a tease and potential
Oooh a prequel of Site B sounds fricken awesome!!
@@christopherboyd7177 I forgot about that tease. Yeah that would've been great.
I would like that I would also like possibly a movie with some undercover work because another Group/company doing genetic work illegally on an island but not the best scientist or equipment so they can make smaller dinosaurs accurate but the bigger they go like trying to make a T Rex most of them die off and the only one that lives is the two headed T-Rex that they were thinking about using at one point and they have a guy on the inside like Nick Vanowen going undercover to help Barry in Franklin Maybe the head bad guy that footing this research is the lady who trains the atrciraptors And we find out that that’s not what we need to worry about and just like the old Dino crisis games or the old science fiction dark tension and horror that we had from the original two Jurassic parks the UltraSaurus plus a TV/Netflix show that goes through all different times before during and after and in between the films that’s an anthology series hour long episodes five+ seasons and being an anthology series some episodes could be tension suspense some could be fast and furious action some could be straight up horror and some could be somewhat child friendly Uno baby dinosaurs but it would all tied together and tie to the movies maybe even some of the characters that were sidekicks from the movies could show up in certain episodes during certain timelines like Billy or Lex and Tim or the Kirbys maybe possibly even the Kirbys when the dinosaurs got loose on the mainland with an anthology series different styles characters and time is all possible that’s why I think it’s the best fit for the future of the Franchise
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i think it should have been before the evac just focusing on the island as a whole. Like helena walkers dossiers from ark survival evolved the video game. Following some new character whos zoologist working for in-gen studying the dinosaurs on the island. Then everything slowly goes to shit when they find out about the spino for example and other shit like that
This theory kind of validates the Locust. BioSyn created the Locust to fund their other ventures like housing the dinosaurs and research of those creatures. By monopolizing the food/farming industry, the company could bring in the capital to continue doing research and make BioSyn look like the good guys by providing sanctuaries for the dinosaurs now loose all over the world.
What I wanted to see in JWD is Lewis Dodgson and his men traveling to Isla Sorna to retrieve Dinosaur eggs and bring them back to Biosyn, that would've been a cool reference from The Lost World novel by Michael Crichton. Sadly, it didn't happened.
Perhaps it could happen in a prequel just as the same events that happened in the book with the story focusing on Dodgson's Expedition in Isla Sorna with only Dodgson surviving it.
That’s not a reference. But a straight up retelling.
At least Dodgson showed up in camp cretaceous.
I think Nedry was selling DNA a lot longer than we commonly think. His relationship with Dodson seemed way too familiar and we caught his last attempted transaction in JP.
Yes, such as when he says "Don't get cheap on me dodgson". Plus he would have had to scout out a disgruntled employee and build some type of relationship with them. The theft Nerdy died attempting was in actuality a really huge deal. Years of research in a few minutes.
@@MattMoseley-po6bo BioSyn might of used Nedry on their facilities in the past. Nedry could of been on the run from government agencies for hacking software. Which is why he preferred cash and no paper trails.
@@bladenrexroth2555 that would definitely add more context to their relationship. Makes sense too
What about Billy? In The Lost World book ByoSin goes to Sorna just to steal eggs from InGen dinosaurs and Billy did exactly that in JP3
@@MattMoseley-po6bo i wouldn't at all be surprised if Biosyn had hired multiple people to be working on the park. Such as construction workers or security. Blue collar jobs that don't have access to classified information but would also have less thorough background checks. They could relay back to Biosyn, not only what they are working on or see. But also rumours they hear
Fun fact:
In the original book (the very first one), the dinosaurs are already on the mainland at the very start before the main plot has even begun. The first 2 or 3 chapters are about "unkown creatures" that were attacking a young girl at the beach (The opening of 2nd film on the island orriginally took place on the mainland at the start of the first book) and a baby in a nursery that was killed. The comps and later the velocoraptors escaped the island on the supplyboats.
It's nice to see you making videos about Jurassic lore again.
Back to the video, they say in Dominion that Biosyn has been mining their own amber since the 90s so technically Biosyn could have had their own species of dinosaurs on the mainland even back then.
This highlights *one* issue I have with “Dominion,” and it’s this; I feel BioSyn wasn’t fully reintegrated well back into the wider saga story of the franchise in this film. This is _the_ rival genetics company (🧬) of INGEN that was introduced all the way back in 1993, and NOW they’re rearing their head and rising as the dominant genetics company of the world post-Lockwood Manor incident? The *casual* viewer might not really understand what it is about BioSyn that makes them such a threat due to the fact that they’ve been absent from the franchise for the longest time (until recently, that is).
I had so many issues with dominion I totally forgot Biosyn was from the books lol. its really good point though
@@19DESERTFOX91 Really? Well, now you know where BioSyn came from (😉).
The biggest issue for me is how the RIVAL company that was the ultimate threat in the books was napalmed in the films by giving them crappy intentions of having Locusts eats other crops to promote their own brand.
Like, seriously…that’s it?
No cloning dinosaurs for important reasons, no virus, no unique developments, just locusts to promote your own crops?
@@jeremyrodriguez9763 I can understand why you feel like that’s an issue. You would expect a mega corporation that’s established as the primary antagonists to do something that generates much _higher_ stakes for the world and for the protagonists.
@@velociraptor4you3291 Casually destroying the world's agriculture is quite the high stake.
We really needed more info about Isla Sorna in Jurassic World dominion, what a waste of potential!
It would've been so cool if BioSyn Sanctuary was actually on Isla Sorna
@@WhyTho525 that would have been great!
Whole movie was wasted potential tbh
What a waste of a f*cking movie!
Agree dominion was trash.
Came right when I got notified Klayton! Left a like too! I’m so glad that Site B is now getting answers in the new lore with! I remember all the speculation videos you and others made about what happened to the dinosaurs on site B! It was great tho seeing the Buck and Doe Rex in Dominion, the Buck being my favorite dinosaur in the franchise wish we could’ve saw it more!
They don't even look like the Buck and Doe, they're just yet another hollow reference to be like "REMEMBER THAT? HUH? REMEMBER THAT?"
Funnily enough, I recently watched Jack Ewins' timeline video on the progression of the dinosaurs between the islands up until Dominion. Basically Dodgson was doing this kind of dinosaur movement to his site in secret LONGER than InGen was out of action and the Nublar dinosaurs were in peril and moved off the island.
Dang it, Colin, it's like unintentional five dimensional chess here... That being said, megacorporations committing enormous corporate fraud while keeping things quiet isn't unheard of in our world. But it usually not this complicated.
In an interview during Dominion's release, Trevorrow said that when Biosyn was given rights to round up all dinosaurs worldwide, this meant ALL dinosaurs - whether escaped from Nublar, newly resurrected species on the black market, and those on Isla Sorna, which is why Ramsey mentions Sorna and why the buck and doe rex are there. Canonically, there were still dinosaurs on Sorna up until Dominion.
I can't find the exact tweet, but I know the talk about Sorna being destroyed was essentially 'de-canonized' and said to be propaganda created by the DPG. My theory is that Trevorrow originally wanted Sorna destroyed (explaining the flippant attitudes toward it in JW and FK) but saw how the fans reacted poorly to this and so retconned Sorna into actually still being around. And thanks to Camp Cretaceous it's canonical that Mantah Corp was plucking species off the island as recently as 2016.
So yeah, current canon according to Trevorrow himself is there were dinosaurs on Sorna at LEAST until 2018. After FK Biosyn was granted rights to all the dinos, including those on Sorna, and then began transferring them off.
Edit: I found the original quote:
'As for Biosyn itself, while Dominion doesn’t explain exactly what the company was up to during the rise and fall of Jurassic World, Trevorrow did offer up his own thoughts on how Biosyn likely got back in the dinosaur game:
“This is just how I see it, we don’t define it as clearly in the movies, but I always saw it as the fall of Jurassic World was an opportunity for them and the combination of being able to secure the rights to get the animals from Sorna, which we mention that they do, to [being] able to take the animals that are now not only being created at various points across the globe, but have escaped and all of those embryos, everything that got out that they’ve been able to come up with, in a lot of ways, a really justifiable reason, an excuse to lay out to all these different governments, ‘Hey, are these dinosaurs a problem for you? Bring them over here. We’re gonna give them a safe space and we’re gonna give them shelter, and we don’t have to talk about any other kind of experiments we may be running because no one has to know about that.’”
"This is just how I see it, we don’t define it as clearly in the movies,"
Motherfucker, you're the director, how incompetent do you have to be? If YOU see it that way, YOU can put it in the movie! God, this just pisses me off.
That’s kind of wild and weird in my opinion.
@@KlaytonFioriti Yeah :( I wish the movies were just upfront about what happened with Sorna rather than just giving hints and implications through interviews.
Even Camp Cretaceous never really explained Sorna, even though they specifically said the rexes and the spino were taken from the island. I guess it just continued as a dinosaur preserve, or was sometimes used to stock exhibits at Jurassic World.
@@KlaytonFioriti they are making a new Jurassic world tv show this year.
@@steveirwin3594 they are making a new Jurassic world tv show this year.
One thing that always bugged me is In the last movie Dodgson has the The SHAVING CREAM can from the first movie on his office, that means at sometime they went to Isla Nublar after the first movie but before the can was lost forever
Those Sorna dinosaurs are DIFFERENT! I love the idea of us returning to Site B..I think I would want a more horror movie based on people going there believing the island is empty…then the spinosaurus appears 😂😂🏃🏾♂️💨
Isla sorna is honestly one of my favorite things in the Jurassic franchise it has so much potential and it feels like ever since fans asked for more info about sorna the writers of the Jurassic world movies were just like “do we really have to?”
It would have been more interesting if they had gone into more detail of biosyn's plan of how they got the dinosaurs off of site b without the public's knowledge.
Showing LOVE for the channel Thank You for sharing this amazing video Mr Klayton, like seriously thank you again and have a blessed day everyone
That is a very good question, and it's something that I have no idea how to answer. The idea of taking Sorna's dinosaurs into the BioSyn Valley had to have had some people discovering, or at least hearing rumors about, before the events of "Fallen Kingdom", but the fact that it was so secretive just boggles my mind. Maybe because the events of "Jurassic World" were such a global story on the news that it distracted people from BioSyn, or something, I'm not sure.
I've always loved these movies but only recently got caught up into the lore with Dominion and Camp Cretaceaus. I just always thought I just "missed something" when it came to "site B" but now I know it wasn't just me. Great channel! SUBSCRIBED!
Man we need more of biosyn and ingen plots in the movies, scenes like the hunters from tlw need to be made more often.
Pretty Interesting and somewhat impressive and I pretty much agree with you on this and it could work perfectly for the Jurassic World franchise in my opinion.
Great work and as always, Take It Easy.
Hello Klayton! My name is Jacob and I'm a huge jurassic fan and decided to make a novel that takes place on sorna during hurricane clarissa. The characters are a paleontologist, genetic engineer, and security guard that get caught up in the evacuation and are let stranded with all of the newly released dinosaurs. I was wondering, if you would know, if any of the dinosaurs that were released would have been close to full size or somewhere in the ball park of being sub-adult? The reason I ask this is because it would be nice for the characters to be able to encounter larger specimens and not just juveniles and chicks.
Good luck with your novel 👍👍
All those secrets need to be explained in future Jurassic stories.
For those who want to know according to Jurassic pedia it said that biosyn been taking dinosaurs off of isla sorna in the late 2010s so? They been doing these for a while.
God, I love the subtle lore of this franchise.
Down the the details of hints to the dinosaurs not being genuine dinosaurs in the first film.
I don’t need to watch anything beyond JP3 thank the Maker for channels like this.
You said it.
It's mentioned in the books, that side B was the place where the dinosaurs were made
This!! I’m so glad you made this video bringing all this up! I’ve been thinking about it since dominion came out. When I knew Dodgson was coming back I figured that basically the events of TLW in the book happened but worked out in his favor and that it was going to be explored in the movie.
My idea was that Dodgson was successful in taking dinos from Sorna at the same time as TLW and that Biosyn was creating their own dinos in secret and releasing them into the real world when they found out that the dinos were set loose in FK. I had the idea that the main cast noticed the different versions and amounts of dinosaurs was more than what was set loose in FK and that they would discover Biosyn and all the while Biosyn and Dodgson would get background and character development to tie it in with JP and TLW. I hoped that Dodgson on Sorna in the 90’s taking baby dinos would be a good opening sequence. Anyways that was just what I really wanted from dominion but unfortunately we didn’t lol
Banger thanks for the info
Love how this is filling in the Gaps of DNA of the Isla Sorna Story Sequence hopefully will get a pure Gentic extraction to this series.
Damn bro stepping up the video quality 👍🏼
We need a spin-off in between JPIII & Jurassic World to explore what’s been going on Sorna.
This is one of your best. Nice job.
Ok, Sorna was never mentioned in any of the Jurassic World movies. Not once. Colin Trevarrow even said he didn't consider 2 or 3 canon anymore, probably because they completely obliterate FK's plot. Even if they moved all the dinos from site B to A, the island erupted and all but like 50 of them died. And that wouldn't have stopped them from being able to move them all back to site B before the eruption. I know at the end of the first JP novel they bombed Nublar, but that didn't happen in the films and they went back to that island for JW1.
It’s actually mentioned by name in both Fallen Kingdom and Dominion. Colin never said 2 and 3 weren’t canon either. That was fake tabloid news that he even stated wasn’t true. In Fallen Kingdom Eli Mills says “Before the island, Sorna, Jurassic Park, Hammond and Lockwood built a lab” and in Dominion Ramsey Cole states “The first generation were taken from Sorna” while Dr. Wu later states “She was with us on Site B”. I’m paraphrasing but that info is spoken on screen more than once. I’m not happy about how they handled Site B much at all when it comes to actually showing stuff but it’s definitely there in the movies
I've always found it funny they consistently moving the dinosaurs like cattle. The T-Rex among other species have been moved from Isla Nublar and Sorna, to the main land and then to the spot in the Alps during Dominion... That's a lot for an extincted species
That's one heck of a cattle drive
Good to have you back making jp vids
I think it's easier to just say Universal and the film makers had no idea nor cared about the lore continuity
In dominion, there are the underground dino sellers. I always presumed since the tech is out there multiple underground companies, including Biosin, have been growing dinos without the press, the public, or Ingen knowing.
I hope they will make a prequel movie focusing on Sorna
It be cool to go back to site b and explore more lore of it like maybe new dinosaur species that ingen clone
Perfect opportunity to do that in Camp Cretaceous until they turned it into an awful transformer rip off
@@LeoTheYuty I understand it a joke but I really don’t see the similarities to transformers with the brads at all
But yeah the robot were pretty dumb I mean we not that far into the future that Jurassic has to use robot
@Joshua 1992 it be cool to see if I camp Cretaceous if this franchise taught us anything boi we get ton of toxic fanboy arguing again
@@Mefilas._intrepidus7 It'd be cool if Camp Cretaceous was good after season 3 imo.
@@LeoTheYuty mhm
I actually never thought about this and now that you have brought it up it completely changes things and makes the canon lore so much more complicated. If Biosyn had their own amber supply since the 90s and had some control over InGen as far back as the early as 1999 then why in the hell would they have wanted to steal from InGen? was it just for revenge? If so InGen always had extra viable embryos at their disposal, it’s not like Dennis Nedry took Jurassic Park’s whole supply. On the hand, while I still hate JWD main plot revolving around locusts they do make some sense now given that the context you created explains how Biosyn should have been loosing money if they had to maintain the Dino’s from Sorna; the locusts and their seeds would have made a great source of income in order to keep funding their projects and research on dinosaurs. Here’s the problem with that, they could have done so before JP3. I’m pretty sure Dr. Wu was still part of InGen back when the amalgam testing was going on and supposedly Biosyn was secretly controlling that operation, who’s to say they couldn’t have gotten him to make those locusts during that period. Why wait now? I’m still super confused by it all and don’t grasp it fully but that’s what I’ve gotten from all this
cost alot to make a fucking dinosaur.
Nice video man!👍
Anyone else think Ingen was stupid for cloning/breeding dinosaurs for money when the real money would have been in bringing back plant species to exploit for pharmaceutical purposes? I mean in the first movie we see Sattler looking at a plant species that supposedly had been extinct since the cretaceous, so we know they can bring back plants.
First off, great video once again.
Second: I keep seeing this awesome JP franchise animation you keep using, like at the start of this video. Where can I see the thing?! And what was it made for?!
A cool story would be that the main characters get word that somebody from Hammond’s team snuck Dinos into isla sorna after isla nublar erupted, so they go to take inventory of the population
What I really want to know is how the press got SO much information on Maisie. It was initially such a closely guarded secret and it's in the best interests of everyone involved, good or bad, even the GOVERNMENT to keep that secret, but they just casually chuck that into the information dump report at the beginning of Dominion.
Man, the lore for this series is ridiculously convoluted at this point. It's really overcomplicated itself since Fallen Kingdom.
Yeah... Michael Crichton's second Jurassic Park book, 'Lost World', was set on Isla Sorna, Where Hammond has a second, secret facility. This was where all the real work of genetic modification, and rearing the dinosaurs were done, not the showcase lab that was part of the tour round Jurassic Park. Whilst on Isla Sorna, the protagonists discover that the dinosaurs they encounter are very young: they are breeding and dying far earlier than anyone expected. Eventually, they learn that due to the way the first generation was raised, and then to both the overpopulation of the island, and the fact it was easily transmitted and was highly contagious, all the dinosaurs are infected with a prion disease known only as DX. This disease will ultimately lead to the re-extinction of dinosaurs, since.
Another story thread that got mentioned in the very first film, almost in passing, was again, a far bigger plot line in the book, leading to some dinsaurs escaping off the islands onto mainland South America. This was the Lysine Contingency. It's mentioned just once in the Jurassic Park film as a failsafe to ensure escaped dinosaurs didn't survive. In the book, it's explained that all the dinosaurs were genetically engineered so they couldn't make the amino acid Lysine in their own bodies. Their only supply of the chemical came in the specially designed food they were fed at the park, and without this supply they would quickly die off. However, at the end of the book that some strange bird like creatures have been seen heading into the forested mountains at the back of the mainland close. As they've migrated they've attacked small farms and eaten a very limmited range of foodstuffs, specificalluy, Chickens and Agama beans... both rich in Lysine. It's implied the animals have overcome their built in deficiency by learning to eat stuff full of it.
Cool! This looks interesting!
My guess is that Ramsey said that so casually to call the attention about the irregularities and crimes Biosyn has been committing from the start. The story of the sanctuary would be an interesting prequel movie, or a series.
It was mentioned on the site that some of the dinos were evacuated from Sorna after the catastrophe and sent to Jurassic World, it's possible that some of the transports delivering the Animals "mysteriously disappeared" (were bribed by biosyn).
Also it was speculated in JP3 that Spiny was the result of meddling by Ingeen after the park was turned into a sanctuary. Not only does the destruction by Spiny reenforce the idea that it brought ecological collapse on Sorna, but if they can so easily have brought Animals onto the Island (as well as all the tourism that apparently happens which is how Erik got stranded) then it wouldn't be too difficult to take them off either.
I wonder what the 3rd Jurassic park novel would be about if Micheal lived longer!
I would of wished for him to introduce a sort of water Dino.Not a mosasaur something scarier.
Very interesting! 🌟
1:31 Roland is probably the only one who would pick a fight with a T-Rex and that what makes him so great.
And he's the only one the won
Actually, the idea that BioSyn was selling DNA on the back market before Jurassic World: Dominion would explain why there are so many different species that were not only not in the Lockwood Manor but also not even officially on Ingen's list
As a fan of your videos, I appreciate the heart. Thank you, Mr. Fiorti
As a fan of your videos, I appreciate the heart. Thank you
4:23 🤣 nothing is thought out in this trilogy really hahah. but I guess is fun to try to find a way to justify the absurd events
The Costa Rican and/or US government(s) could have secretly decided to move some of the dinos off of Site B for safety reasons and turned to Biosyn to do it. The governments could then have been secretly paying Biosyn all this time to house and take care of those dinos. Its not outside the realm of possibility.
What about other governments like Russia, China or Europe? Cloning tach is a hot commodity 😄
yeah i always wondered...i just kinda checked out after having seen fallen kingdom
Lore Team: As per usual, we'll bei discussing continuity
Klayton: Hold my Beer
Finally got to see Dominion and holy shit was it fantastic. I grew up with the privilege of viewing the og trilogy in theatre and I actually think Dominion is a close tie for second best in the whole franchise..
"The voice you're now hearing is Klayton Fioriti, spared no expense." 🦖
How do you make these slow-mo sequences? They look sick! ❤
In production it's kind of sobering the remember that a lot of executives and higher-ups working on the projects of the film's probably thought fans didn't give a damn about the initial two sequels. After all the sort of reference was only thrown into Fallen Kingdom last minute and because of the viral marketing. The 2010s were very weird when it came to the nostalgia boom because there was a lot of assumptions that certain franchise has had a lot of nostalgic fans but the fans were only nostalgic about the first iteration and installment. I think my the latter part of the 2010s and then especially by the 2020s, studios and creators had wised-up.
the 1998 game "jurassic park: tresspasser" took place in site b as well. not sure how much the game is considered canon these days, but it was cool to walk through such an important place in the jurassic park universe even though the game was pretty experimental and buggy.
Biosyn Seed is how they off set the cost. If you get multiple Nation to just buy from you as well as Independent Farmers, then release a Locust that only eat competition, wham you control the market. You don't need to hit every crop just the 10 Major in everything like Corn, Wheat, Rice, Soy, Potato, etc.
All they had to do was silence the UN. In 2023 in the last 30 years silencing the UN is not a difficult thing to do
Yeah I really want to see Sorna back and maybe the other sister islands. That be very cool to see. And yeah now that you mention it how did they get the rexes of the island without anyone knowing ?
It makes more sense when you take the Netflix show as cannon too. Dobson working with Wu, and a camper's dad taking dinosaurs off the island.
I really think that the last three movies created problems where there shouldn't have been. I also think they made plot holes that changed the way we look at the franchise. I really didn't like the way it all ended. I don't think Crichton would have been pleased with how it finished itself off.
Bro take the island from dominion & set it after the events of JW3, have it as a dark horror type movie. Private military trying to get some sort of secret from the main building, they crash land before getting to their destination and have to get past a bunch of dinosaurs. Use similar events like the T-Rex scene from the lost world or the Denis nerdy death from the books. Instant money maker
The one dinosaur from site b I really want to see again besides the spinosaurus is the Tiger Stripe velociraptor
The idea of moving Dino’s from island to island is super annoying! Especially for the Dino’s just leave them and let them get used to their environment as long as they live ! They could always extract dna and steal eggs to continue a new island or whatever
Thanks for the video!! See you later!! Stay safe.😊
Because The Lost World movie was so different from the novel, they could literally remake it and keep it very similar to the book without it impacting much on the continuity of the franchise.
4:24 "...that probably wasn't properly thought out before writing it." You could pretty much say this about the entire Jurassic World series.
but then biosyn has the shaving cream can too so they had the dinos from sorna AND the blueprints to make them too.
Honestly, it's writer incompetence and not knowing their damn lore.
I'll be honest here Klayton, the more I look at the Jurassic World movies, the more comparisons I can make between it and the sequel trilogy of Star Wars:
- Jurassic World is basically The Force Awakens because it kind of rethreads the very first movie (Jurassic Park and A New Hope). People liked it enough and it made a shitton of money.
- Fallen Kingdom is basically The Last Jedi. Convoluted mess of a story with too many plot threads, too many characters and a bunch of things that don't make a lick of sense, least liked movie in the trilogy.
-Dominion is basically The Rise of Skywalker. Tries to tie up the messy plotlines from the movies that came before, give a shitton of fanservice yet drops the ball so hard that it makes a damn crater, however it's at least mildly more enjoyable than the movie that came before it.
EDIT: I almost forgot to add here that it retcons shit from the previous movie!
JWFK/TLJ -> "You're a clone of Lockwood's daughter, Charlotte, he lost her and he couldn't live without her"/"You're a nobody"
to
JWD/TRoS -> "Charlotte Lockwood is actually your mother and she basically cloned herself and cured her uncurable disease because she da best!"/"You're Palpatine's granddaughter."
Hell, even who directed it mirrors the sequel trilogy! JW/TFA -> Trevorrow/Abrams, JWFK/TLJ -> Bayona/Johnson, JWD/TRoS -> Trevorrow/Abrams.
But the throughline here is that the people behind both of these series of movies don't know what the fuck they were doing and didn't THINK about the lore and how it all fits together. They just threw things together without care.
5:00 Was it ever confirmed that those were the exact same buck and die from TLW?
The other male T. rexes in the series (the infant and the JP3 Rex) are green.
We also see that Rexy, a female is brown, just like the doe.
I always figured that all male T. rexes were green, and all females were brown.
Colin confirmed it on Twitter that it’s the buck and doe and the one that die in jp3 was the bull rex
My question is, we saw things like the chaos effect toy line. While not cannon, Ingen by the whole island chain. So, they could technically make it cannon. While Site B is the “factory floor”, it’s been said that it was mostly for show, and very little actual research was done there. They just raise the animals and then ferry them over to Site A. So naturally, the actual R&D happened on one of the other islands. Which leaves a lot of possibilities for some freaky stuff.
Learning more about BioSyn gathering the Sorna dinosaurs would've been great to see in "Dominion." I still can't get over that film for focusing on those stupid locusts instead of DINOSAURS in a "Jurassic Park/World" movie, let alone the supposed conclusion that's meant to tie everything together.
How is it possible that Biosyn did this when the islands that belonged to Ingen, and later Masrani? It has been established that the in-between of the Lost World and Jurassic Park 3 that Henry Wu came back and continued in his research. How could they have taken the animals and not get noticed?
Perhaps after the park fell the second time they bought the rights, patents, to all dino tech?
I know I keep asking you this but will you ever review season five of camp cretaceous I need to know
Can't wait to see the other islands
imagine actually being a park worker... "that's one hell of a job!" XD
I think biosyn made a lot of money under the table with research. Because people have known about ingen and the dinosaurs for years. They could make tons of money with selling to the world of paleontology/paleobiology or even the field of genetics. We know how many people want dinosaurs so if they can’t have them then the next best thing is the ability to make their own or getting them second hand from biosyn
I totally forgot about that picture and the story lol Jurassic World Dominion went into an area I never thought it would
I have to ask, then, what happened to the Spino? Heard rumors that it was in the Dolomites too, but don't know if there is any cannon confirmation to it
It's on Manta Corp island in Camp Cretaceous.
You need to look at the original books to understand who Biosyn really is, specifically Crichton’s The Lost World. Dominion does a terrible job at explaining the corruption, reverse engineering, and corporate espionage that Dodgson was responsible for. He is NOT the Steve Jobs archetype figure as he is portrayed. In the books (which should always be canon) he is a cold-hearted, menace.
To your point, if Biosyn somehow succeeded in kidnapping dinosaurs or embryos off of the island, their end game wasn’t for entertainment, it was to exploit an animal species and experiment their pharmaceuticals on them without governmental regulation. Therefore, they could still make turn a profit while continuing their shady and unethical business practices. The Biosyn in dominion is a far cry from what Crichton described.
We really needed more sense in all of this if you look at all of this as a fan, you can kind of connect the dots and twist and bend the story so it fits. But as a casual movie goer.. none of my friends enjoy JP as a franchise and they don‘t care. That is the sad part
Honestly it makes sense that Biosyn wanted to keep the dinosaurs for so long on the DL even if it costed money. They were just waiting for the right time to use them to make them profitable. If word got out about the failure of OG Jurassic Park, then the public's perception of dinosaurs wouldn't be so great. Maybe they were waiting for the Jurassic World to be a success before being like "hey we have dinos too"
I’m not a content creator, at least yet, so I have no home base to share with, but damn. I’d love to sit and talk Jurassic, or a specific topic on Jurassic.
We are on the same page with so much, differ in random areas (mainly TLW). You’d be a blast to just nerd out with.
If you ever do videos with you and fans commentating or just chatting- I’ll gladly toss my hat in the ring.
Hi klayton you do amazing content.
I am a big fan of TLW and it always make me curious how the set of the operation center looked like. There is really no data how the OC loked like inside and what was in the right side of the the building a long with the back.before they change it for embryonic admistrration I would really dig a episode dedicated the set of the workers village. I know that it is your favorite movie and a lot of people like me dig JP2 mire then anything else . Thanks regards 👍👍
Locusts: the main villain all along
If they capture the male and female tyrannosaurus from site being then what happened to the baby T-Rex in the lost world junior where is he wearing his whereabouts is he alive or is he ok or did they capture him as well
Hey Klayton i think this video idea might be outdated. But back in jurassic park 3 when we first see the t rex eating a corpse of a unknown dinosaur and i was wondering if u would like to do a video talking about this unknown dinosaur that has been eaten. Prob could be a spinosaurus or some other creature.
We need a live action show showing them moving the dinosaurs
This exact premise for a video. Dude I noticed that and have been looking on the deep lore vids for an explanation but thanks, now I know, the producers of the movie didn’t give a shit about lore and I’m thinking about it “too much”
What is also crazy is that Isla Siena is even bigger compared to Nublar, and it isn’t your theme park designed island. Like before it’s the experimenting ground, and a lot more wild. I think it’s considerably lazy writing that they just wrote off that they all just died, and just left it at that. I mean is it the Lysine contingency or something, because I thought the dinosaurs had firmly established their own ecosystem on their own. I don’t know these newer movies are not as good as the originals, but it’s good to hear about this universe and hear the old music he uses in explains this stuff again. 😀👍😎
Question for Klayton, did any of the JP novels go into more lore of site B? I haven't read them yet just wondering if I missed something?
The Lost World Novel definitly goes more into the details of Sorna. In the book, they focus on the infrastructure, dinosaur behavior on the island and what was going on behind. I recommend both novels very much.
Id like to think that Biosyn probably bought and sold dinos from sorna on the black market for many years while Jurassic World was running. I think dinos have been loose on the mainland for a lot longer than people have known. Even before Fallen Kingdom I bey
In the second book, at Site B they couldn't figure out how to keep the dinosaurs alive for very long, unless they released them out into the wilds. Even then they had a high death rate. They weren't really counting or able to count survivors. And that is a prime opportunity for some group to get to site B and steal baby dinos, all they really need is to observe when they get released and snatch them up shortly after.
Wasn't this covered when Dodgson came to the island in camp Cretaceous?