yeah dude. it’s no fun to be against it, and it’s no fun to be it. i really have no idea how it could be fixed but it is definitely no good and the new battlegrounds need to be scrapped. 4v4v4 had a lot of the same issues but was better in this case
They should remove heal stacking all together. Make it the same as a buff, once you have one echoing vigor on you, you can't have a second or third. This goes for ball groups in cyrodiil also.
Yes i agree. Just one group buff and thats it. Its ridiculous how the stack healing make ball groups neglect other more impt aespects of gaming like positioning, spell rotation, resource management and dodging
They should have done this instead of coming with so many gamemodes that PvPers are not really interested in. I would trade capture the flag for competitive and casual PvP differentiations. Zos should also consider FFA and random spawning.
@SaltyNaughtySorcerer FFA would be a cool game mode. Changing the standing still behind a barrier waiting for players/game to start with some type of combat/FFA would also be nice
Wait a minute killer machine: If noobs can't get into REAL COMBAT, DIE SEVERAL TIMES AND GET FUN ABOUT IT, they never ever will be interested in get better on pvp. That's the TESO pvp issue now. All old pvp dogs licking each others asses and ranting about "why so much noobs". The noobs today can be the pros tomorrow. You were lame noobs years ago. Keep that on mind or TESO pvp will finally die.
PvP is always going to be competitive it's just the nature of the game mode. If you don't want to compete against others you can just join a PvE group and run a dungeon together and you all get a medal(achievement)..
long time pvp'er here. it''s immediately obvious when your team is going to get an absolute flogging with this new system. apart from that i've been enjoying some really good matches so far. def needs a bit of work tho.
Same. I have my fair share of dominant matches, but slowly and surely, these will also dry up because more and more of the players on the losing team just give up after 1 minute of gameplay. Likewise, if Im on the losing side, I find myself getting increasingly isolated as teammates AFK. Zos should consider bringing back the 4v4v4
They give up so easily too because they bring a basic build with no healing, Game should tell them how to prepare better for it. @SaltyNaughtySorcerer
I love BG weekends. In a few hours I can level up my alts's Assault/Support skill lines to 7 and not go back 🙃.. Even in one-sided fights they're fast so not a big deal.
The point you made about while waiting, we should be able to do a little free for all. That's actually one of the better suggestions I've ever heard when it comes to PvP. As for the bots, if its TDM, the other players would just target the bot as it is a free kill.
Bots would just be a stand in until a real player joins. The idea is to get rid of the 5 min wait just because one slot is empty. Im just baffled as to why zos feels that a 5 min wait is acceptable.
I only play 4v4 and my biggest gripe is the teams are so unmatched. Either you get completely demolished or you totally slaughter the other team. It's very seldom you really get a proper fight.
I am saying it for a nice battlefield. It will not be a very big map, there will be a center consisting of 3 bases and everyone can come and fight as a group or solo. And there may be various monsters in the forest areas. But rare bosses will appear in the battlefield, there will be buffs that can be picked up from the ground in difficult places. This battlefield will always be open. There may be adventures such as jumping and climbing on flying land pieces in the air. Land pieces changing places. A battle map that everyone can enter whenever they want. and icons according to the score are 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. These icons will appear monthly according to the score. There will be a dungeon room in the middle of the battle map, after destroying a tower at a certain time, there will be an entrance from the door below. Thus, the sides of the base that wins as groups will be able to enter. A dungeon that gives special gifts. A special item seller according to the points received in this battlefield. The name of this area can be an island that cannot be shared. :D
1:28 Yes, pvp was always fun, but now im finding i lose interest because of the one-sided fights. It's not about how good you are. it's how good your overall team is. Seems like im rolling the dice every time i q. Before i could play bg for hours at a time, even willing to wait in a 20 minute q
i think the long wait times stink as well, especially for the 8v8 domination game. you might spend 20 minutes in queue, wait for players, wait for start, and then the game lasts 1 minute and 30 seconds. the other points you make dont matter too much to me. if its obvious that we are not going to with the objective i just try to get kills. If i am getting stomped on both objective and actual pvp then I just keep trying for 4 minutes or whatever because i am not a crybaby.
I don't think we should be thankful for this pvp update. The pvp community probably spends the most in The Crown store outside of the housing community. And yet all we got, after all this time of performance issues and being neglected by the developers is them changing our last bastion of functional player versus player combat They should have updated Cyrodiil. Battlegrounds was fine, the way it was, and was our only escape from the plague hellhole of ball groups and forty thousand health wardens tower humping. I'm not saying we should be ungrateful. I'm just saying we need to hold them to a higher standard. This was bare minimum, and it didn't even feel good at that
Wow have solution for it. In non rated arenas/not bgs, there are rounds/similar to present eso bgs/ and during that rounds, players switch sides. This way it helps to avoid one sided scenario/outcome. Best of 3 wins. Can be harder with 8vs8 battlegrounds, but instead of one, they can mix teams of 4 players after each round. If the team you are in win 2 of 3, you get bonus reward. Dont think ZoS will ever bother, but so far this is the only solution. Hope they bring back team vs team vs team soon. What we have now is a farce
With 3 teams there is more interaction, even if one team eliminates the others, the other two can continue playing each other for second place or for fun. With 2 teams, that disappears and it becomes boring. And it is a serious design problem. The other more technical problem is the endless waiting. Many minutes go by and sometimes the teams are not even completed and all the time is lost, that cannot happen. I understand that they tried to do something different but it was not a good idea, as it is it does not work and it is getting worse. They should go back to the work board. Maybe they should have worked much longer on an alpha version with the community until they polished some new system that works and is also fun, no matter how long it takes, before launching it like that.
I would absolutely love it if they allowed us to have free for all while waiting to fill the slot. There is nothing worse than sitting there unable to do literally anything but stare at your inventory. You cant even challenge your teammates to a duel during the wait time. Anything to make it feel like less of a waste of time would be amazing but I love your idea the best.
When they released wrath, stone is when it all started to suffer because of all the changes they made. And then that just continued through throughout the last few years.
Mmr is monthly at the beginning so two weeks in isn't going to be balanced. I still find 8v8 to be great though. In fact i haven't heard anything negative about 8v8
I knew 8v8 would kill the BG community. I tried a few matches. So polar and predictable. How do the devs lack basic intuition about this? They are so out of touch. I agree that 4v4v4 is much more dynamic. You always have an underdog that can upset or disrupt the match by staying in the fight. Now, it seems all or nothing. I’ve been doing PVE things which are far more developed and loved by the devs and it shows.
The problem is real 4 man comp grp are coming from cyro to have competative fight's without being zerged lol. Probably not fair for new players but this is pvp after all 😂😂
It sucks, It's terrible lmao it's like when you turn in an assignment after having a month to do it but you don't work on it until the last minute before due date and by the end of it you don't even care anymore about the substance.
oh, and at the very end of you video i realized I might be part of the problem.haha! because i love dark convergence, vicious death, plaguebreak & oakensoul. probably because my actual playing skills are pretty low; but l like those on at least 1 of my toons.
I've never liked how lobbies are organised. Let's say you're a new player... you get your first character into champion points then suddenly you're grouped into the same lobby as veteran players. This is why the teams feel so unbalanced, it's because they simply are.
I played alot of bgs the other day i was winning alot of them but 2 times only was very 1 sided, never actually stumbled apon the game start bug(sounds annoying) the times i lost was the times players with 18k hp joined my team and just complaining i mean what are they even doing here? 😂 I think many people need to look in to their own builds aswell! For example here a one bar build in pvp for bg wont stretch you as far as a 2 bar build with deathdealers fete markyn and suducer would. Not even close! Oakensoul build like yours is not made for long lasting fights! Something you may had chance to use in a 4v4v4 is not gonna work now like example open world gankers with 18k hp. 😊
ESO is an embarrasing bugfest that ZOS doesnt care to fix as long as you keep shoveling money at them. You cant even pvp in cyrodiil cause the lag spikes will eat your inputs. This game is barely more than the failure fallout 76 was, and by the same people. Don't waste your money on this horrible game black desert is better
Health cap is needed if yer putting more than 32pts into health. You suck. Learn yer class and skills and get good. But skill doesn’t seem to be the meta anymore 😂
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It's true, the first 20-30 seconds of the battle you can tell exactly how this is going to end...
I even have people on my team telling me: -"dude there's no use bothering". And they just stand in the spawn point through the whole game.
yeah dude. it’s no fun to be against it, and it’s no fun to be it. i really have no idea how it could be fixed but it is definitely no good and the new battlegrounds need to be scrapped. 4v4v4 had a lot of the same issues but was better in this case
This might be the final nail in the coffin for ESO
ESO PvP died a long time ago...
@@samuraichicken2315 you people have been saying this for 6 years🤣 your montra will become true eventually
They should remove heal stacking all together. Make it the same as a buff, once you have one echoing vigor on you, you can't have a second or third.
This goes for ball groups in cyrodiil also.
Yes i agree. Just one group buff and thats it. Its ridiculous how the stack healing make ball groups neglect other more impt aespects of gaming like positioning, spell rotation, resource management and dodging
ballers and pvers are their biggest source of income, so they will never hurth their feelings
Players have been asking for that for literal YEARS now. It’s not gonna happen.
I could not agree more
People have been saying this for years... it's not happening.
They need to seperate the competetive and fun/casual side of PvP. Battlegrounds should be fun/casual and there should be an arena for competetive
They should have done this instead of coming with so many gamemodes that PvPers are not really interested in. I would trade capture the flag for competitive and casual PvP differentiations. Zos should also consider FFA and random spawning.
@SaltyNaughtySorcerer FFA would be a cool game mode. Changing the standing still behind a barrier waiting for players/game to start with some type of combat/FFA would also be nice
Wait a minute killer machine: If noobs can't get into REAL COMBAT, DIE SEVERAL TIMES AND GET FUN ABOUT IT, they never ever will be interested in get better on pvp. That's the TESO pvp issue now. All old pvp dogs licking each others asses and ranting about "why so much noobs". The noobs today can be the pros tomorrow. You were lame noobs years ago. Keep that on mind or TESO pvp will finally die.
I guess they tried doing that with the 4v4 "competitive" mode vs 8v8 "not so casual" mode.
PvP is always going to be competitive it's just the nature of the game mode. If you don't want to compete against others you can just join a PvE group and run a dungeon together and you all get a medal(achievement)..
i think the life system is horrible in deathmatch. and the waiting time is abominable
long time pvp'er here. it''s immediately obvious when your team is going to get an absolute flogging with this new system. apart from that i've been enjoying some really good matches so far. def needs a bit of work tho.
Same. I have my fair share of dominant matches, but slowly and surely, these will also dry up because more and more of the players on the losing team just give up after 1 minute of gameplay. Likewise, if Im on the losing side, I find myself getting increasingly isolated as teammates AFK. Zos should consider bringing back the 4v4v4
They give up so easily too because they bring a basic build with no healing, Game should tell them how to prepare better for it. @SaltyNaughtySorcerer
@@SaltyNaughtySorcerernew battlegrounds should just be called little cyrodil. The 4v4 should be called gankers paradise
I love BG weekends. In a few hours I can level up my alts's Assault/Support skill lines to 7 and not go back 🙃.. Even in one-sided fights they're fast so not a big deal.
I agree bring back old battlegrounds
The point you made about while waiting, we should be able to do a little free for all. That's actually one of the better suggestions I've ever heard when it comes to PvP. As for the bots, if its TDM, the other players would just target the bot as it is a free kill.
Bots would just be a stand in until a real player joins. The idea is to get rid of the 5 min wait just because one slot is empty. Im just baffled as to why zos feels that a 5 min wait is acceptable.
I only play 4v4 and my biggest gripe is the teams are so unmatched. Either you get completely demolished or you totally slaughter the other team. It's very seldom you really get a proper fight.
I am saying it for a nice battlefield.
It will not be a very big map, there will be a center consisting of 3 bases and everyone can come and fight as a group or solo. And there may be various monsters in the forest areas. But rare bosses will appear in the battlefield, there will be buffs that can be picked up from the ground in difficult places. This battlefield will always be open. There may be adventures such as jumping and climbing on flying land pieces in the air. Land pieces changing places.
A battle map that everyone can enter whenever they want.
and icons according to the score are 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. These icons will appear monthly according to the score.
There will be a dungeon room in the middle of the battle map, after destroying a tower at a certain time, there will be an entrance from the door below.
Thus, the sides of the base that wins as groups will be able to enter. A dungeon that gives special gifts.
A special item seller according to the points received in this battlefield.
The name of this area can be an island that cannot be shared. :D
Please send this article to the developers. 🌹
Let Cyrodiil begin as a weekly war. The side that obtains the scrolls wins the war.
I dig this idea. It has potential
1:28 Yes, pvp was always fun, but now im finding i lose interest because of the one-sided fights. It's not about how good you are. it's how good your overall team is. Seems like im rolling the dice every time i q. Before i could play bg for hours at a time, even willing to wait in a 20 minute q
i think the long wait times stink as well, especially for the 8v8 domination game. you might spend 20 minutes in queue, wait for players, wait for start, and then the game lasts 1 minute and 30 seconds. the other points you make dont matter too much to me. if its obvious that we are not going to with the objective i just try to get kills. If i am getting stomped on both objective and actual pvp then I just keep trying for 4 minutes or whatever because i am not a crybaby.
I don't think we should be thankful for this pvp update.
The pvp community probably spends the most in The Crown store outside of the housing community. And yet all we got, after all this time of performance issues and being neglected by the developers is them changing our last bastion of functional player versus player combat
They should have updated Cyrodiil. Battlegrounds was fine, the way it was, and was our only escape from the plague hellhole of ball groups and forty thousand health wardens tower humping.
I'm not saying we should be ungrateful. I'm just saying we need to hold them to a higher standard. This was bare minimum, and it didn't even feel good at that
100%
Wow have solution for it. In non rated arenas/not bgs, there are rounds/similar to present eso bgs/ and during that rounds, players switch sides. This way it helps to avoid one sided scenario/outcome. Best of 3 wins. Can be harder with 8vs8 battlegrounds, but instead of one, they can mix teams of 4 players after each round. If the team you are in win 2 of 3, you get bonus reward. Dont think ZoS will ever bother, but so far this is the only solution. Hope they bring back team vs team vs team soon. What we have now is a farce
The waiting for players thing is a bug and will hopefully get fixed soon..
With 3 teams there is more interaction, even if one team eliminates the others, the other two can continue playing each other for second place or for fun. With 2 teams, that disappears and it becomes boring. And it is a serious design problem. The other more technical problem is the endless waiting. Many minutes go by and sometimes the teams are not even completed and all the time is lost, that cannot happen. I understand that they tried to do something different but it was not a good idea, as it is it does not work and it is getting worse. They should go back to the work board. Maybe they should have worked much longer on an alpha version with the community until they polished some new system that works and is also fun, no matter how long it takes, before launching it like that.
I dun know how this pssed the PTS
They should have listened to the community during the pts
I would absolutely love it if they allowed us to have free for all while waiting to fill the slot. There is nothing worse than sitting there unable to do literally anything but stare at your inventory. You cant even challenge your teammates to a duel during the wait time. Anything to make it feel like less of a waste of time would be amazing but I love your idea the best.
Ffa plus random spawn all over the map. It will be more fun than the bg itself
When they released wrath, stone is when it all started to suffer because of all the changes they made. And then that just continued through throughout the last few years.
Mmr is monthly at the beginning so two weeks in isn't going to be balanced. I still find 8v8 to be great though. In fact i haven't heard anything negative about 8v8
I wanted to try 8v8 more. I couldnt find its option this morning tho...
I knew 8v8 would kill the BG community. I tried a few matches. So polar and predictable. How do the devs lack basic intuition about this? They are so out of touch. I agree that 4v4v4 is much more dynamic. You always have an underdog that can upset or disrupt the match by staying in the fight. Now, it seems all or nothing. I’ve been doing PVE things which are far more developed and loved by the devs and it shows.
i miss lava arena battleground
we have one with water and slaighterfish
The problem is real 4 man comp grp are coming from cyro to have competative fight's without being zerged lol. Probably not fair for new players but this is pvp after all 😂😂
It sucks, It's terrible lmao it's like when you turn in an assignment after having a month to do it but you don't work on it until the last minute before due date and by the end of it you don't even care anymore about the substance.
oh, and at the very end of you video i realized I might be part of the problem.haha! because i love dark convergence, vicious death, plaguebreak & oakensoul. probably because my actual playing skills are pretty low; but l like those on at least 1 of my toons.
You'r not the prob for using those sets that ZOS provide, bro. Its on the devs to at least try to make sure their spaghetti code holds together...
I've never liked how lobbies are organised. Let's say you're a new player... you get your first character into champion points then suddenly you're grouped into the same lobby as veteran players. This is why the teams feel so unbalanced, it's because they simply are.
Just make 1v1 and 2v2 modes
I played alot of bgs the other day i was winning alot of them but 2 times only was very 1 sided, never actually stumbled apon the game start bug(sounds annoying) the times i lost was the times players with 18k hp joined my team and just complaining i mean what are they even doing here? 😂 I think many people need to look in to their own builds aswell! For example here a one bar build in pvp for bg wont stretch you as far as a 2 bar build with deathdealers fete markyn and suducer would. Not even close! Oakensoul build like yours is not made for long lasting fights! Something you may had chance to use in a 4v4v4 is not gonna work now like example open world gankers with 18k hp. 😊
Wait.. you guys can get into battlegrounds?
Not been able to in a month without a queuing for 30 minutes.
Peak hours are generally ok for me. Pc eu
ESO is an embarrasing bugfest that ZOS doesnt care to fix as long as you keep shoveling money at them. You cant even pvp in cyrodiil cause the lag spikes will eat your inputs. This game is barely more than the failure fallout 76 was, and by the same people. Don't waste your money on this horrible game black desert is better
Health cap is needed if yer putting more than 32pts into health. You suck. Learn yer class and skills and get good. But skill doesn’t seem to be the meta anymore 😂
Who cares about BG go cyro.