"North could be south, left could be right, up could be down, etc" That's not even beginning to describe the madness of Warp. There up could be purple, right could be salty and up could be loud.
Custodes Report: Day Lemon, brother Corbec was slain by a creature resembling a mass of humans fused with various toilets the size of a warhound titan... We will inform his cohort he died fighting a daemon of Nurgle and leave it at that.
Nurgle like around a quarter of GW customers (who coincidently also smell like plague bearers) wanted himself an Eldar Waifu. That's why he launched such a massive attack on slannesh's realm risking his own existence to do so. You cant say Nurgle isn't a relatable guy.
If the Eldar sent some seers to try to free Isha it means that there was possibility of success, they would've seen a future in wich that happened. Despite GWs constant attempt to Worf the eldar into the dirt they're not stupid by any means.
Well they ARE Eldar. Its likely the wanted to join the endless orgy pits. Too bad they are so tasty. What happens when Eldar souls are gobbled up? Do they then exist as a collective pile of dung whose dimensions are simply impossible to actually exist yet does?
"When Horus arrived in Warp, Chaos Gods took turns..." Thank you Arch, now I cannot take that gangbang scene from my head. Slaanesh must have been very happy.
Horus: "what no I totally defeated them, so much better than dad." In Reality: "Ooooh Nurgle sempai please be gentle, I still can't walk right after Khorne."
Spoiler alert: that's not dribble coming out of Horus the whole Siege. SOH leave Argonis to deal with it while they go on with the whole 'fighting the war' thing.
"... even when the mighty Legions of Chaos meet in conflict, the daemon gods cannot stay their interfering hands... Like skillful and pedantic advocates in a court of law, the Dark Lords argue the smallest point, the most obscure procedures and least significant of details, vying with one another for even the slightest advantage... The Gods agree the rituals of combat and once agreed they are binding, even unto the least creature on the field" :)
As much as I hate what they do to the Emperor in Master of Mankind, the War in the Webway was one of my favorite parts of the Horus Heresy. The Imperium's finest trying desperately to hold the line against the tsunami of unreality represented by the fighting strength of all 4 gods plus however many other warp creatures getting drawn into the "mostly peaceful protest"/all you can eat buffet. It's amazing there were enough Custodes left to actually fight in the Siege. As for the gods of chaos getting into their glorified reality breaking sparring sessions, I wonder if Khorne gives a special delivery of the Orks from around his citadel as the occasional "screw you" to Slaanesh and Tzeentch.
That’s a very brief “screw you” considering one CG just waves a hand and turns the Orkz into green chickens, while the other grinds them up to make fungal cocain.
Thing is, even Dorn thought there weren't "Enough Custodes left to actually fight in the Siege." And that's from the siege expert Primarch who spent some of the most time around Custode, being the Praetorian. That's how brutal the War in the Webway was.
@@crypto1223 yes but these are boiz who are constantly krumpin big demon gitz, and perhaps with papa khorneflakes power, unless their lust for foightin rendered them incorruptible even while in the warp
Your reference to mostly peaceful protests taking place in the war in the webway is more apt than you might realize. Carl Benjamin has a great podcast going over how each of the chaos gods in 40k can be mapped directly on to the modern neo marxist post modern leftist movements of today, BLM is Khorne, Fat Pride is Nurgle, Pride and LGBTQAAIP2+ is Slaneesh and Tzeentch is Academic post modernism and CRT. The podcast is truly brilliant and definitely worth your time.
@@AlphariusandOmegon It was mildly interesting when he was saying it 10 years ago anyway. That framing of the modern social paradigm is old and tired at this point. The whole neo marxism take while possessing some degree of truth is overly simplistic and ultimately only still being pushed by people like Sargon because it's the only borderline socially acceptable way to approach these topics. Kinda funny though I guess. I would add the whole anti abelism crowd to the Nurgle camp. Nurgle loves his sick and crippled just as much as he loves his fatties.
Slaanesh may be a piece of Khorne given independence by Eldar perversion: "But as is ever the case, Khorne was there to stem the flow of Delight... He sought to give all mortals time to bring an end to their corrupting decadence... Decay stood there beside war: "Give up" sighed Father Nurgle, "Give in to what must be. It is the nature of things that all cultures must rot"... and Tzeentch gazed upon the War God with amusement and disdain: "End this", he hissed, "For it must come to pass. Change is the constant that cannot be changed"... Then with a scream of release that ripped through the Warp, Slaanesh threw off his eldest brother and burst into being." - Liber Chaotica
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 that hole is connected to the eye of terror, and slannesh has tried to put its dick in it. What do you think the black crusades were?
I still say one of my favorite 40K stories is Tuska Daemon-Killa because we know that there's no way Khorne could keep him if Gork/Mork wasn't okay with it. So I'm picturing in my head Khorne calling Gork/Mork like some parent asking another if their kid can come over. "Is it okay with you guys if Tuska stays the night? I know him and Skarbrand are just having so much fun playing together."😂
Lets just be realistic, we all know Gork & Mork will win the Great Game in the end, because in the grim darkness of the future, there is only WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH !!!!
I think that nurgle claiming isha was possible because slaanesh was weak from fighting the eldar gods. Killing gods isnt easy. My personal believe is that slaanesh was at her strongest at his birth. But without millions of eldar to feed on and fighting several gods at birth slaanesh is now on par with the other gods. Remember that for millions of years eldar gods kept the chaos god down. Chaos rise to power is a recent thing in galatic history.
Imo the best way to invade the Warp is with memes, it being dimension of thought and all. Deface the realms of Chaos with stupid sh*t untill they are made into a universe's biggest and most tired joke.
Lol 😆! This However you see, Malal is the Chaos God of Memes so he will grow more powerful Though he will be busy fighting Gork and Mork (who themselves are the Ork and Krork Gods of Memes) due to the insane power boost so… the meme strategy will still work.
There's one thing I still don't get. Why are Khorne and Slaanesh such bitter enemies? I mean, while pleasure and rage are certainly in conflict I don't see why they would put them at greater odds compared to say Khorne vs Nurgle. Meanwhile Tzeentch isn't given nearly as much attention despite practically being Khorne's antithesis by favoring subterfuge and magic. If anything you'd think Slaanesh's beef would be with Nurgle, what with how one is all about heightening the senses and striving for greater excess while the other prefers to dull the senses and languishes in rot, and also the whole Isha event.
Slaanesh being about excess feelings, acts and sensations means that while khorne gets power from act of bloodshed and murder the very act of people murdering another is an act of excess itself, so is the excess emotion of hate, survival instinct, satisfaction from a kill or pure relief of staying alive after a fight. It all feeds slaanesh too, each act of worhip khorne followers follow also inadvertently feds slaanesh herself.
@@irontemplar6222 Why not both? After all Khorne is both rage and bloodshed, Tzeentch change and magic, Nurgle stagnation and death, and plenty more less well known aspects.
I see it as external and internal. Khorne is about the self, all about blood and attack. All sensations, pain, humor, comfort etc go away and you get that blood, you feel strong and enter a fugue state. Slannesh is all about what can you do, variation. Newer, different pleasure. More and more sensations, mar your beauty, grow new organs. Your slaves and enemies are obsessions, playthings. You still go insane, but due to spreading and drinking in so much stimuli. Slannesshi never do just one thing, and if they just concentrated within they'd probably die. Look at the Bile books; EC are always carving and mutating their cause, but when looking at their bodies they become despondent and bitter and part of their corruption is finding a way to keep feeling/distill drugs/survive the Blight. Each disgusts the other because of the sensations they manipulate; with Khorne you're robbed of simplicity, psychotic tranquility and the central idea of skulls is worthless because any tally or counting of something too long is meaningless. With Slannesh all the torture, playing and psychotic pleasure come to an end. No fun, no excess in what you want. No more feeding the pride and superiority and your enemy gives you literally nothing to gain or appreciate or surprise you. Imho
@@vadandrumist1670 You also forget that the gods are also people, and the first thing Slannesh did was piss off Khorn. There is also no reason for any of them to get along save for mutual self-interest. They are competitors otherwise.
I heard of the weird and bizarre things within the warp like Rod Sterling Cthulhu and the Florida recounts votes and the whole cast of Friends some say in the warp they're still replaying the episodes over and over
If arch reads this comment I thoroughly love your videos. I tend to go back to your older ones and listen to the titan video you did and the unification wars ect. Absolutely love your content thank you so much for the amount of hours I’ve spent listening to your work.
Always thought it was so wild when Horus went into the realm of Chaos and spent centuries fighting wars with the chaos gods to get their favour and when he came back only seconds minutes had passed.
The logistics of screaming daemons in the warp, all created with the snap of a god’s finger and thrown away in pointless battles just for fun. I love you Arch!
@@Niskirin honestly, despite being God of plagues, Papa Nurgle is probably the closest to a "good guy" in the setting. He really does like his followers, by and large, and they make it clear his daemons really like working with him too
@@esukgfjyijlgul5335 have you read the Rogue Trader era stuff for Nurgle? They throw parties all the time and most units are described as over excited puppies
@@aaronbasham6554 nurgle loves his followers like a abusive boyfriend if you just sit down and let him do shit to you he will love you, the moment you don't he will hurt you and say "I'm sorry" remember nurgle is the god of bitterness and despair I'm really sick and tired of people saying nurgle is a "good guy"
See in Micheal Moorcock the gods are related like Brother and sister. And each keeps to their own plane while it's fun to have battles just to amuse the gods. There is actually a bond between them. Even if each keeps to their realm and you see after 1 is defeated although caring more about themselves.
Yeah and Moorcock had Lords of Order, something that Warhammer 40k seemingly lacks. They have the same symbols for Chaos and Order though, just that the latter is confined to the 'Troop' symbol.
@@iona2225 Well didn't arch not say there was other gods of order and stuff maybe in the fantasy version he meant. Or could the emperor be that order to Choas? Or perhaps order did exist however defeated. There are a lot of theories that could go around.
@@JamieZero7 Indeed, I theorized that Emps was this universe's incarnation of Moorcock'a Eternal Champion back in the late 2000s but I was also under the theory that the dude in the Golden Throne wasn't actually emps so lol I somewhat doubt it, this was bound in my initial conclusion to the setting that Emps effectively had to do parallel to Elric of Melnibone, and find ways to kill the gods of chaos. I haven't been making a lot theories since then haha but yes, you are correct :) be a weird molding of cultures if more and more WH fantasy elements were starting to emerge in 40k, but with how the Squats are getting portrayed at least initially I would absolutely love to see with what they do. Maybe they can make an excuse in that the gods of law are trying to get the hell away from AoS.
@@iona2225 Man, I missed something really important. The Story Elric "While the gods laugh". Says something really important that must be true of 40k if you think about it. Chaos likes to do war. But it can't win. As winning means the destruction of them. If there is nobody around to give life to the chaos gods or let the gods feed off them. Then they will disappear.
If Isha was ever freed she would likely return of her own free will as her part in being the ultimate test subject is her learning and passing on the eventual cures to all of Nurgel's works. If she leaves he's free to make as many plagues as he wants with no known cure and Isha just get's the prize of now being at the top of Slannesh's Dinner menu.
What would a necron monolith do if it was inside the warp? It would blow up because it doesn't have an invul save -.- Though because of the new dataslate a chronomancer could give it one because all vehicles have CORE now.
I remember reading somewhere that Tzeench was in position to win the whole game but let himself be beaten cause if he did win it would be fucking boring.
@@The_Keeper weaponized boredom... sounds like church sermons to me and I grew up going to church so should we trap him on a cardinal world and have him forced to listen every hour of every day to the priests preaching he might just kill himself to get out of it.
My Theory on how Horus got his Powers from the Warp Gods: He Enters, Got Bullied by Khorne to Test new Weapons on him and Resurrects Horus everytime until Khorne got Bored and Kicked him out. After that he was Forced to play Hide and seek with Tzeentch until he changed his Plans but never told horus that they dont play anymore for a Century. Popped into Slaaneshes Realm and got the spiked strapn tester until Papa Nurgle fetched him from Slaneesh and prepped him back up to health by making him Taste all the meals Nurgle cooked. After that out of Pity the Chaos goods gave him a Cookie and a Goodbye. Then he came out and got asked: "How was it?" Horus: " Well umm you see , i invaded all their Realms and, ah, wrestled the Power from them. Yeah thats how it was Totally. Ill stay with this Story."
I actually think it's deeper than that, Isha lives by different rules than the chaos gods, so maybe Nurgle is using that fact to bypass some rules that he otherwise couldn't? I mean, she is immune to all disease and in fact defies Nurgle by whispering secrets of healing to the few mortals that can hear her, but what if in doing so she allows Nurgle a greater degree of freedom on the material side? One of the rules binding him could easily be that he cannot create plagues for which there is no conceivable cure for example, since the last thing the chaos gods would want is for there to be no mortals to feed them, and in this case, Isha knows the cures to all diseases, so Nurgle can whip up whatever crazy pestilence he wants, because SOME mortal will always get the information and therefore the rule has been upheld.
Oooooooh, spicy topic! Come come everyone, grab your khorne Flakes. Snuggle up with your Slanesshi Doll. Laugh with grandpapa nurg-nurg. And remember never challenge tzeentch to Paradox billiards hyper dimension chess strip poker .. Unless you're a silvery doorstep.
"And remember never challenge tzeentch to Paradox billiards hyper dimension chess strip poker .. Unless you're a silvery doorstep." Or a little girl...
What would happen if a Tyranid hive fleet somehow ended up in the realms of chaos? Their presence in the warp is the equivalent of white noise, so would they just cause the area they inhabit to become blurry and indistinct?
Not sure if it could handle the warp itself from the inside but hive fleet kronus specifically fights chaos stuff. Not that it matters because Gork n Mork are far too killy
Its depends on how long they are there. In a war of attrition they would lose due to having no biomass to replenish numbers. There is also hive fleet kronus, supposebly an anti chaos fleet which has done well. Mostly cause they didnt let themselves be bogged down and just blitzed through.
Arch, did you ever address what would actually happen if a chaos god succeeds at killing another chaos god? Would the victor inherit the portfolio a la D&D rules or would the victor just become more powerful and the loser's portfolio would disappear?
How would you kill excess or anger? If somehow a Chaos God was killed, the fundamental drivers of that warp parasite which still exist in the real world (e.g. people still want to be the best in their field) will feed the same warp power base that created the god in the first place. At best, the victorious chaos god might be able to assimilate the loser into himself and become a halfway point between the orginal two gods in question, convince all the other god's worshippers to worship him, and controls both domains. At worst, the god is dead for precisely one nanosecond and then bitch slaps the victorious one in return for 'killing' him.
The victor would have to destroy all the loser's daemons as the daemons are individualised pieces of their god. If they do not, the defeated god would come back in the form of his most powerful demon, who'd become the new god. If all the daemons of the defeated god were destroyed, the energies they're sustained of would become an abundant "food" source for other warp entities. Those entities who feed on this new "food" would grow more and more powerful in this aspect, until eventually the fastest growing/biggest/strongest would absorb/kill/eat the others like him in competition for more of that "food". Eventually he would become the new chaos god of the aspect left behind by the defeated chaos god, ultimately replacing him. I like to think something along these lines is happening to Malal/Malice, and that's why he's presently absent from the setting.
@@astrovarius543 that makes sense. Essentially the D&D version of when the Spider Queen rebirthed herself and then had her multiple personalities compete for supremacy. That was in the War of the Spider Queen and Lady Penitent series. Great reads.
What about Be'lakor then? He does not belong to any specific god, does he have a small base somewhere or is he forced to bow to the strongest god at the time?
Perhaps Nurgal keeps Isha as a way to maintain the Stagnation of the universe. Without a goddess of healing countering his efforts his plagues would wipe out all life in the galaxy.
I somehow see this like the chaos gods playing this war like it is a game of warhammer, till Gork and Mork come in the room and the gods hide the table
Please do Chaos realm videos! I recently learned that was more than just worlds? Universes? It’s something I didn’t think about until it was put in front of me and now I got to know more. Great video, it’s really easy to forget that the warp can simply be masses of energy biting at each other.
In short chaos gods are incompetent at anything. Also lots of chaos gods have died. These guys are the natural consequence of chaos. Things started out with alot of small entity's battling it out and overtime they start to gather more and more powers and a smaller number of power players. Until eventally only one person remains. In short it's a galaxy scale game of monopoly... well not quite because the board can expand and the property tiles have an effect on those seeking to own them.
My headcannon for Nurgle's invasion of Slanesh's realm: Newborn god of lust and fornication catches and STD and passes it around until there's enough disease present to create a portal directly to Nurgle's realm.
I don't think the Necrons could invade the warp. They're purely physical in nature, no souls no presence in the warp, same for blanks. My thought would be that humans and other races with souls can exist there because they are of both worlds in some respect. The soul allows the body to exist in and influence the immaterium, just as the body allows the soul to exist in and influence the material. Though having said that, the Necrons might be able to do to the Realms of Chaos they to the material world with warp storms and rifts. Turn it into something more like their own realm. The Necrons were just trying to wall off reality, but maybe the technology can be applied offensively.
Using a scaled up pylon system to make a gellar field that empties out large chunks of the warp maybe? Necrons were able to create Dolmen gates and invade/utilize the webway, so it's not totally implausible that they might be able to do something similar with the warp.
This actually makes me think of something, what happens to a blank (I mean a proper sister of silence level pariah) if gellar fields fail during warp transit?
@@childofslaanesh1251 well yes i suppose, but if the gellar fields fail in the warp itself they will still get butchered same as everyone else the only difference is they will kill/send to respawn alot more than anyone else before they go down. Being a blank just makes them semi-invisible to daemons and causes them pain when close. (in saturnine anyway)
the concept of a Necron monolith in the warp intrigued me. The logical part of my brain says when a partical and an antipartical collide their they decimate causing a massive release of energy same here right? But equally a Monolith "blocks" warp energy so maybe not. Would it create a pocket of real space inside the warp? would it fail to function? I don't know exactly how they work but if they are constantly on would you need to force a hole into the warp leaving a pocket or would the warp energy encircle the monolith would it leaving a corridor of real space similar to the eye of terror had? Would it be similar to the home of the Dark Elves warp like but not the warp? why do you ask these question Arch im going to be thinking about this all week now!
Have the Monolith transported within a gellar protected warp vessel, turn it on and then slowly turn off the gellar field or push the monolith out of the vessel and gellar field while it's running.
Honestly this makes me interested as to what do chaos entities see the emperor on The golden throne because I haven’t really seen any videos that give detail as to how do they respond to this giant light in the middle of The physical universe because to me it would be interesting to see
@@robertnelson9599 I'm no lore master, but the question that always arises in my mind is what chaos actually fears in the Emperor...if he is human, his emotions should therefore be part of the chaos gods. I'd think they'd see him as a kind of nuclear reactor for chaos, a great plaything like Horus. (Big E's actions did cause a fair amount of chaos in his attempt to create order) Unless he is something like the Zen concept of Mushin. A state of "No mind" where, rather than relying on emotion, one disconnects and just does as the material world dictates...Big E's not really written that way, but who knows his innermost beliefs or what he's thinking as he passes time sitting on the golden throne... In this way I can see why chaos would hate the Necron. Cold logical machines without emotion...and that brings up the issue, are the chaos gods on a lower tier than the C'tan? It would seem so as the C'tan are physical manifestations of the universe of which the warp is the reflection. Seems the C'tan could "Shatter the mirror" as it were and destroy chaos utterly, but that would entail destroying all sentient life in the universe. Which seems what at least the destroyers want to do. So would they be the pure C'tanic manifestation of the Necron race? The influence of the C'tan seeping into what's left of what the Necrontyr used to be?
@@42Mrgreenman Emperor knows what warp is and that chaos gods are no different than any other animal, and he's got the force of will to kill and undo them all should opportunity arise. Big E's very proximity to any of them robs them of their divnity.
I think a pariah in the warp, would simply find the space of the warp seamlessly warp around the pariah as if it was not even there. And it seems the only way to fight and win against the gods in the warp is simply, to have them feel you should win, but good luck having selfish, spoiled gods think you should win.
I'd like to know what happens when a blank enters the chaos realms. Obviously they can enter the warp since they travel on ships but what effect if any would they have on the chaos gods realms or even if they made it to one of the gods themselves.
I'm convinced that the Chaos Gods are simply tabletop players building whatever they want and making rules of whatever they want, and The Game is the table and rules agreed upon amongst them.
God now I have to imagine nurgle being "that guy" type of player while tzeench trucks in with several proxies and OCs and khorne being the classic player who's a WW2 fan
@@pifilixxiv3192 Malal (Known as Malice in Warhammer 40K) is the Chaos God of Chaos, Anarchy, and Contention. He also may be the chaos god of injustice and unjustice.
It takes something as threatening to them as the Emperor for them to put aside their differences just long enough to have a united front against that. 3:50 - Mortals are self-destructive, the Chaos Gods aren't. 8:33 - Ah yes, we know who has her. 15:40 - Ah yes, you've covered him, here's how I see this arrangement: Khorne: Tuska Daemon-Killa, you fought well, test your might against my strongest forces in the Brass Citadel! Tuska Daemon-Killa: You want a fight, do ya? Well, we'll give you one! Let's ger 'em boyz! WAAAGH!!! 16:16 - I prefer to call them psychotic green fungus monsters that are having the time of their lives. 18:50 - As in "Skulls for the..." 31:45 - No, that's more a Slaanesh thing.
Arch have you read or heard Micheal moorcock's stuff? about chaos where 40k got the idea. Wondering if you could do a video of the connection. I mean in Corum you got Choas, symbol, the fact it's been 10k years since Corums race has been stuck in the chaos lands. And the different realms. It is described in Corum that thought is what gives chaos power. Choas god even changes his appearance to suit Corums taste rather than human taste. I think a video on the connection and what we can learn from the Micheal Moorcock stories of Choas and that of 40k would be good.
@@sneedclave7867 Yea I think Arch would do it justice. I mean the talk of plagiarism and reference is a story for another time. But I feel just focus on Choas and how it works. And I think this could back up how the emperor could ascend to god. As it's described that thought creates gods. But this person was tricked in Corum. But it may be a theme in the other stories I've only heard Corum. And was like man this is 40k. This is clearly where they got the entire idea. I mean I'm not sure how much of Choas has been retconned either Arch is more familiar. He is one of the few I think that could do a great video on it at least.
@@sneedclave7867 Arch also said in a livestream there was other gods of order. Or something along them lines when sargon and him were talking about 40k lore. Other gods. But they might be in warhammer fantasy. So not sure. He's actually the only youtuber I know that has talked about other gods existence.
While I know that Chaos is ALWAYS at war with each other, and that most likely; Chaos probably has worse record-keeping then the Imperium, as I doubt history is of any real consequence to them. But, to the best of anyone's knowledge; have there ever been any battles between the traitor legions, that for what ever reason, they saw fit to remember.... One Night Lord speaking to another: "7,658 years later, and the Death Guard STILL won't shut up about how they managed to ambush us at the battle of Altair!.... they are nearing Word Bearer levels of insufferable!!" Thank you in advance for any info. ✌🏻👹🤘🏻
No. Khorne has the monoply on violance. Just like execive disease is still nurgle. Slaanesh is the prince of depravity. That feeling of doing something forbidden. Something exciting. And like all chaos gods they make you feel good as you want more and more. Slaanesh is all about that desire for more. The lust, the greed, the need for more. Satifaction is the enemy of lust and thus the enemy of slaanesh.
Q: "What would happen if you placed a Necon Monolith direcly in the warp" A: That amount of Blackstone in the warp would probably wipe both from reality. Both the part of reality where the monolith made entry and the corresponding part of the warp. 💥
I've always seen the chaos gods as a bunch of squabling sibling. They are pains in the butt to eachother, but don't outright go killing eachother off, just smashing their toys.
21:50 and that is why I love the 40k community, on one side we have nurgle feeding isha the worst plauge he has concocted and on the other isha is nurgle wife in which they have healthy relationship.
"How the hell do you invade... Russia? Except Russia was one enormous swamp filled with Malaria and pestilence carrying bugs(zah)" Communist Florida A horrifying thought
Great video Arch. Love how you describe the Great Game. It's like 4 master chess masters locked in game until one can find away to subjugate the others without destroying themself or universe as the result. Because what's the point of winning if there isn't a prize at the conclusion of the game.
Small correction, Arch. Slaanesh knows all about Commoragh; it owns the Eldar and leaves the city alone due to it's billions of citizens providing a drip feed of nectar (Eldar souls). It's the other gods that try to screw the city up. (See path of the Dark Eldar series).
The Chaos Gods are simply playing a very large scale of wargame. Thats why they never manage to kill each other. Very much a massive game of Risk, you want to defeat your opponent but if you get too successful the other players gang up on you.
Ok question: How do other chaos gods play into this? I'm primarily talking about Gork and Mork here. Because my headcanon is that gork and mork are simply too preoccupied beating the living shit out of each other to care about that stupid little game the other gods are playing. In my mind it's also that sometimes gork and mork may roll around straight through the realms of chaos and the other gods essentially just get out of their way, sigh and when gork and mork have rolled past they pick up their game pieces that were thrown off the table of destroyed by stray blows. Kind of a "the cat jumped on the table" situation. Also, what about the emperor? Could the emperor create his own land and faction within that war? The existance of the legion of the damned strongly suggests that the emperor (or a warp entity formed by the collective believe in the emperor) does have it's own demons. Does the emperor have some kind of chaos domain somewhere but just not within the chaotic realm of the four primary gods? Also, wasn't there once a chaos god of order? Wouldn't such a chaos god be the biggest cheat faction in this war? Because such a god could theoretically force the other gods to play by the rules at least within his own domain. "You are trying to send a two hundred km tall titan against me? Sry, the rules of physics clearly say that a construct this size will collapse under his own weight. Try again."
I agree with the gork and mork idea. I believe in Arch theory that the worship of the god emperor created a warp entity that believes itself to be the corpse emperor. And created a heaven for his worshiper. A heaven he protects from chaos with his loyal subjects help. The warp is shaped by real space believe's, emotions, etc. The whole emperor hurts chaos is because it is believed to be so. The human emperor is just a psyker.
One more interesting question: Could a pariah enter the realms of chaos? If i remember correctly the realms of chaos are supposed to lie behind the eye of terror. So, could a pariah walk into the eye of terror and exit into the realms of chaos? Would the eye of terror even exist for the pariah/would the eye of terror even affect a pariah? The chaos gods can essentially just pick a random human from the material universe and transport him to the realms of chaos. But could they do the same to a pariah (assuming the chaos gods could even perceive the pariah)? And assuming a pariah could enter the realms of chaos, how would that affect them? Both the pariah and the realms of chaos. I imagine that the pariah would essentially enforce a degree of reality onto his surroundings. So for example if he walks on solid rock that solid rock cannot spontanously turn into liquid nitrogen or some other bullshit. So in theory, could you wage conventional war in the realms of chaos by bringing a shitload of pariahs and center your battle formations around them?
I hypothesize that in the case of Isha, and to an extent Khaine and Cegorach, it was like attracts like, that is, the goddess of life was subsumed into the greater deity of life and death. Khorne and Khaine, gods of killing, Cegorach and Tzeentch, gods of cunning, this seems more like the Three chaos gods preserving aspects of themselves in the Eldar Pantheon from the new Goddess’ depredations. Also, it would be cool to have a miniseries about Horus’ crusades in the Warp
Are WE the Chaos Gods? Playing at war, calling it a Game, playing by gentlemanly rules to increase the enjoyment of the conflict of the lesser beings that we control.
@@orrorsaness5942 Because, just like to the Chaos Gods, it doesn't matter which side wins. Imperium, Chaos, Ork, Tyranid. All that matters is that the game has been played and we have had a good time. If that means enjoying playing Imperium forces, so be it, just have fun!
"North could be south, left could be right, up could be down, etc"
That's not even beginning to describe the madness of Warp. There up could be purple, right could be salty and up could be loud.
it is a land where goldfish eat sharks and every critters movie after 3 was a masterpiece
@@conan2096 ok that last part is impossible even in Chaos
Custodes Report: Day Lemon, brother Corbec was slain by a creature resembling a mass of humans fused with various toilets the size of a warhound titan... We will inform his cohort he died fighting a daemon of Nurgle and leave it at that.
@@lordfrostwind3151 that was a shitty way to go
Up is blue and blue is spaghetti and spaghetti is a high pitched tone around D major
Nurgle like around a quarter of GW customers (who coincidently also smell like plague bearers) wanted himself an Eldar Waifu. That's why he launched such a massive attack on slannesh's realm risking his own existence to do so. You cant say Nurgle isn't a relatable guy.
In Age Of Sigmar Nurgle wanted to take the goddess ruler Of the realm of life as his waifu.
Nurgle went above and beyond with going for getting himself the literal mother of all Eldar booty.
Nurgal is a simp confirmed
@@dylanmontgomery5450elder goddes is peach is probably the furthest you can get from mediocre
If the Eldar sent some seers to try to free Isha it means that there was possibility of success, they would've seen a future in wich that happened. Despite GWs constant attempt to Worf the eldar into the dirt they're not stupid by any means.
Good point. If they were seers, they must indeed have seen something,
Silly that I didn't think of that. Unironicly.
Or they failing would result in a better trajectory or they felt honour-bound to try or... Tzeentch manipulated their prognostications.
Well they ARE Eldar. Its likely the wanted to join the endless orgy pits. Too bad they are so tasty. What happens when Eldar souls are gobbled up? Do they then exist as a collective pile of dung whose dimensions are simply impossible to actually exist yet does?
@@doxasticdraco9990 Maybe all three?
Tuska demon killer is the greatest lore video ever made. it's how I discovered 40K. Thank you again for that arch.
The one that gets a good fight that never ends?
@@NetMoverSitan yes
"When Horus arrived in Warp, Chaos Gods took turns..."
Thank you Arch, now I cannot take that gangbang scene from my head. Slaanesh must have been very happy.
@trueblue23 Humpus Lunapar.
Horus: "what no I totally defeated them, so much better than dad."
In Reality: "Ooooh Nurgle sempai please be gentle, I still can't walk right after Khorne."
Nurgle: "O you think pain will be you biggest problem, I thought up a new STD just for you"
I really want to see a meme image of Horus sitting timidly on a couch with the four Chaos Gods looming behind him (you know that meme…) 😏😂
Spoiler alert: that's not dribble coming out of Horus the whole Siege.
SOH leave Argonis to deal with it while they go on with the whole 'fighting the war' thing.
"... even when the mighty Legions of Chaos meet in conflict, the daemon gods cannot stay their interfering hands... Like skillful and pedantic advocates in a court of law, the Dark Lords argue the smallest point, the most obscure procedures and least significant of details, vying with one another for even the slightest advantage... The Gods agree the rituals of combat and once agreed they are binding, even unto the least creature on the field" :)
Arch: Theorises about Nurgles motivation to snatch Isha.
Nurgle: Eternal guinea pig ahead! FOR SCIENCE!!!
Lol 😆
Isha (uses Eldar technology to shoot Nurgle)
Nurgle: harder Isha (hits Isha) harder
Isha: what
Nurgle: what
@@orrorsaness5942Slaneesh: yessss
@@trajanfidelis1532 Tzeentch: oh, that surprising :o
As much as I hate what they do to the Emperor in Master of Mankind, the War in the Webway was one of my favorite parts of the Horus Heresy. The Imperium's finest trying desperately to hold the line against the tsunami of unreality represented by the fighting strength of all 4 gods plus however many other warp creatures getting drawn into the "mostly peaceful protest"/all you can eat buffet. It's amazing there were enough Custodes left to actually fight in the Siege.
As for the gods of chaos getting into their glorified reality breaking sparring sessions, I wonder if Khorne gives a special delivery of the Orks from around his citadel as the occasional "screw you" to Slaanesh and Tzeentch.
That’s a very brief “screw you” considering one CG just waves a hand and turns the Orkz into green chickens, while the other grinds them up to make fungal cocain.
Thing is, even Dorn thought there weren't "Enough Custodes left to actually fight in the Siege." And that's from the siege expert Primarch who spent some of the most time around Custode, being the Praetorian. That's how brutal the War in the Webway was.
@@crypto1223 yes but these are boiz who are constantly krumpin big demon gitz, and perhaps with papa khorneflakes power, unless their lust for foightin rendered them incorruptible even while in the warp
Your reference to mostly peaceful protests taking place in the war in the webway is more apt than you might realize. Carl Benjamin has a great podcast going over how each of the chaos gods in 40k can be mapped directly on to the modern neo marxist post modern leftist movements of today, BLM is Khorne, Fat Pride is Nurgle, Pride and LGBTQAAIP2+ is Slaneesh and Tzeentch is Academic post modernism and CRT. The podcast is truly brilliant and definitely worth your time.
@@AlphariusandOmegon It was mildly interesting when he was saying it 10 years ago anyway. That framing of the modern social paradigm is old and tired at this point. The whole neo marxism take while possessing some degree of truth is overly simplistic and ultimately only still being pushed by people like Sargon because it's the only borderline socially acceptable way to approach these topics. Kinda funny though I guess. I would add the whole anti abelism crowd to the Nurgle camp. Nurgle loves his sick and crippled just as much as he loves his fatties.
are we going to hear how Slaneesh stole Khorn's "chainsword" ?
I see you are a man of culture.
Stop that
“WHERE IN THE COCK-BUNGLING FUCK IS MY CHAIN-AXE?”
@@QixTheDS chainsword goes brrrrrrr
@@captainpuffinpuffinson4769 theres a reason khorne doesnt want it back :P
So basically, fighting in the realm of chaos is like playing against someone who's dice always conveniently fall off the table when its a bad outcome.
Slaanesh may be a piece of Khorne given independence by Eldar perversion: "But as is ever the case, Khorne was there to stem the flow of Delight... He sought to give all mortals time to bring an end to their corrupting decadence... Decay stood there beside war: "Give up" sighed Father Nurgle, "Give in to what must be. It is the nature of things that all cultures must rot"... and Tzeentch gazed upon the War God with amusement and disdain: "End this", he hissed, "For it must come to pass. Change is the constant that cannot be changed"... Then with a scream of release that ripped through the Warp, Slaanesh threw off his eldest brother and burst into being." - Liber Chaotica
Nice map... but it's missing the tiny hole from where Khorne steel-tip booted Skarbrand through the warp
If Khorne had a tiny hole, Slaanesh would do everything in his/hers/its power to fill it with all sorts of things...
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 that hole is connected to the eye of terror, and slannesh has tried to put its dick in it. What do you think the black crusades were?
Holy….yooo I didn’t know you watched arch?
I still say one of my favorite 40K stories is Tuska Daemon-Killa because we know that there's no way Khorne could keep him if Gork/Mork wasn't okay with it. So I'm picturing in my head Khorne calling Gork/Mork like some parent asking another if their kid can come over. "Is it okay with you guys if Tuska stays the night? I know him and Skarbrand are just having so much fun playing together."😂
Lets just be realistic, we all know Gork & Mork will win the Great Game in the end, because in the grim darkness of the future, there is only WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH !!!!
They dont want to tho.
Victory is boring as there is nobody left to fight.
@@malaficus Don’t think they’d ‘care’ to think that far ahead 😂
I think that nurgle claiming isha was possible because slaanesh was weak from fighting the eldar gods.
Killing gods isnt easy.
My personal believe is that slaanesh was at her strongest at his birth.
But without millions of eldar to feed on and fighting several gods at birth slaanesh is now on par with the other gods.
Remember that for millions of years eldar gods kept the chaos god down.
Chaos rise to power is a recent thing in galatic history.
Imo the best way to invade the Warp is with memes, it being dimension of thought and all. Deface the realms of Chaos with stupid sh*t untill they are made into a universe's biggest and most tired joke.
Lol 😆! This
However you see, Malal is the Chaos God of Memes so he will grow more powerful
Though he will be busy fighting Gork and Mork (who themselves are the Ork and Krork Gods of Memes) due to the insane power boost so… the meme strategy will still work.
There's one thing I still don't get. Why are Khorne and Slaanesh such bitter enemies? I mean, while pleasure and rage are certainly in conflict I don't see why they would put them at greater odds compared to say Khorne vs Nurgle. Meanwhile Tzeentch isn't given nearly as much attention despite practically being Khorne's antithesis by favoring subterfuge and magic. If anything you'd think Slaanesh's beef would be with Nurgle, what with how one is all about heightening the senses and striving for greater excess while the other prefers to dull the senses and languishes in rot, and also the whole Isha event.
Slaanesh being about excess feelings, acts and sensations means that while khorne gets power from act of bloodshed and murder the very act of people murdering another is an act of excess itself, so is the excess emotion of hate, survival instinct, satisfaction from a kill or pure relief of staying alive after a fight. It all feeds slaanesh too, each act of worhip khorne followers follow also inadvertently feds slaanesh herself.
Slannesh isn't really the God of pleasure they are the God of excess. Not pleasure
@@irontemplar6222 Why not both? After all Khorne is both rage and bloodshed, Tzeentch change and magic, Nurgle stagnation and death, and plenty more less well known aspects.
I see it as external and internal. Khorne is about the self, all about blood and attack. All sensations, pain, humor, comfort etc go away and you get that blood, you feel strong and enter a fugue state.
Slannesh is all about what can you do, variation. Newer, different pleasure. More and more sensations, mar your beauty, grow new organs. Your slaves and enemies are obsessions, playthings. You still go insane, but due to spreading and drinking in so much stimuli. Slannesshi never do just one thing, and if they just concentrated within they'd probably die. Look at the Bile books; EC are always carving and mutating their cause, but when looking at their bodies they become despondent and bitter and part of their corruption is finding a way to keep feeling/distill drugs/survive the Blight.
Each disgusts the other because of the sensations they manipulate; with Khorne you're robbed of simplicity, psychotic tranquility and the central idea of skulls is worthless because any tally or counting of something too long is meaningless. With Slannesh all the torture, playing and psychotic pleasure come to an end. No fun, no excess in what you want. No more feeding the pride and superiority and your enemy gives you literally nothing to gain or appreciate or surprise you. Imho
@@vadandrumist1670 You also forget that the gods are also people, and the first thing Slannesh did was piss off Khorn.
There is also no reason for any of them to get along save for mutual self-interest. They are competitors otherwise.
I heard of the weird and bizarre things within the warp like Rod Sterling Cthulhu and the Florida recounts votes and the whole cast of Friends some say in the warp they're still replaying the episodes over and over
Considering what the Wood Elves were able to do with Orion and Ariel, hypothetical avatars of Isha aren't as far out there as you might think.
If arch reads this comment I thoroughly love your videos. I tend to go back to your older ones and listen to the titan video you did and the unification wars ect. Absolutely love your content thank you so much for the amount of hours I’ve spent listening to your work.
Always thought it was so wild when Horus went into the realm of Chaos and spent centuries fighting wars with the chaos gods to get their favour and when he came back only seconds minutes had passed.
warhammer total war 3 campaign is all about humans invading god's realms. pretty successfully.
You're correct, that story about the eldar trying to save Isha from Nurgle's garden is in the 8th edition Daemons codex.
Great video Arch. I loved the part about Horus being used in a game of 40k with each of the 4 chaos gods. Very meta
The logistics of screaming daemons in the warp, all created with the snap of a god’s finger and thrown away in pointless battles just for fun. I love you Arch!
To me this is the most interesting part of the lore. It embodies the whole 40K idea of “there are no good guys”.
Honestly tho, this video made Nurgle seem like quite a symphatetic fellow.
@@Niskirin honestly, despite being God of plagues, Papa Nurgle is probably the closest to a "good guy" in the setting.
He really does like his followers, by and large, and they make it clear his daemons really like working with him too
@@aaronbasham6554 no
@@esukgfjyijlgul5335 have you read the Rogue Trader era stuff for Nurgle?
They throw parties all the time and most units are described as over excited puppies
@@aaronbasham6554 nurgle loves his followers like a abusive boyfriend if you just sit down and let him do shit to you he will love you, the moment you don't he will hurt you and say "I'm sorry" remember nurgle is the god of bitterness and despair I'm really sick and tired of people saying nurgle is a "good guy"
dammit now I feel bad for the knife ears. Getting their pure-girl-next-door-fertility waifu NTRd by Kaos. F.
See in Micheal Moorcock the gods are related like Brother and sister. And each keeps to their own plane while it's fun to have battles just to amuse the gods. There is actually a bond between them. Even if each keeps to their realm and you see after 1 is defeated although caring more about themselves.
Yeah and Moorcock had Lords of Order, something that Warhammer 40k seemingly lacks. They have the same symbols for Chaos and Order though, just that the latter is confined to the 'Troop' symbol.
@@iona2225 Well didn't arch not say there was other gods of order and stuff maybe in the fantasy version he meant. Or could the emperor be that order to Choas? Or perhaps order did exist however defeated. There are a lot of theories that could go around.
@@JamieZero7 Indeed, I theorized that Emps was this universe's incarnation of Moorcock'a Eternal Champion back in the late 2000s but I was also under the theory that the dude in the Golden Throne wasn't actually emps so lol I somewhat doubt it, this was bound in my initial conclusion to the setting that Emps effectively had to do parallel to Elric of Melnibone, and find ways to kill the gods of chaos.
I haven't been making a lot theories since then haha but yes, you are correct :) be a weird molding of cultures if more and more WH fantasy elements were starting to emerge in 40k, but with how the Squats are getting portrayed at least initially I would absolutely love to see with what they do. Maybe they can make an excuse in that the gods of law are trying to get the hell away from AoS.
@@iona2225 You know I felt the same way every time I experience these champions. Malcador the side companion too.
@@iona2225 Man, I missed something really important. The Story Elric "While the gods laugh". Says something really important that must be true of 40k if you think about it. Chaos likes to do war. But it can't win. As winning means the destruction of them. If there is nobody around to give life to the chaos gods or let the gods feed off them. Then they will disappear.
If Isha was ever freed she would likely return of her own free will as her part in being the ultimate test subject is her learning and passing on the eventual cures to all of Nurgel's works. If she leaves he's free to make as many plagues as he wants with no known cure and Isha just get's the prize of now being at the top of Slannesh's Dinner menu.
What would a necron monolith do if it was inside the warp? It would blow up because it doesn't have an invul save -.- Though because of the new dataslate a chronomancer could give it one because all vehicles have CORE now.
"how did Horus invade the Warp alone?" *Furious doom guy noises..
Doomguy would probably force his own way into the warp out of sheer rage.
In the warp there could theoretically be female space marines.
That's how insane the warp is. (Apparently)
Let that sink in.
Emperor's children.
Nurgle reacts with the double barreled plague gun whenever a home invader threatens his waifu
I remember reading somewhere that Tzeench was in position to win the whole game but let himself be beaten cause if he did win it would be fucking boring.
Makes sense.
The ultimate weapon against Tzeench, *would* be boredom and predictability.
@@The_Keeper weaponized boredom... sounds like church sermons to me and I grew up going to church so should we trap him on a cardinal world and have him forced to listen every hour of every day to the priests preaching he might just kill himself to get out of it.
@@The_Keeper Hmmmm... this may be the case
My Theory on how Horus got his Powers from the Warp Gods:
He Enters, Got Bullied by Khorne to Test new Weapons on him and Resurrects Horus everytime until Khorne got Bored and Kicked him out.
After that he was Forced to play Hide and seek with Tzeentch until he changed his Plans but never told horus that they dont play anymore for a Century.
Popped into Slaaneshes Realm and got the spiked strapn tester until Papa Nurgle fetched him from Slaneesh and prepped him back up to health by making him Taste all the meals Nurgle cooked.
After that out of Pity the Chaos goods gave him a Cookie and a Goodbye.
Then he came out and got asked: "How was it?"
Horus: " Well umm you see , i invaded all their Realms and, ah, wrestled the Power from them. Yeah thats how it was Totally. Ill stay with this Story."
I actually think it's deeper than that, Isha lives by different rules than the chaos gods, so maybe Nurgle is using that fact to bypass some rules that he otherwise couldn't?
I mean, she is immune to all disease and in fact defies Nurgle by whispering secrets of healing to the few mortals that can hear her, but what if in doing so she allows Nurgle a greater degree of freedom on the material side?
One of the rules binding him could easily be that he cannot create plagues for which there is no conceivable cure for example, since the last thing the chaos gods would want is for there to be no mortals to feed them, and in this case, Isha knows the cures to all diseases, so Nurgle can whip up whatever crazy pestilence he wants, because SOME mortal will always get the information and therefore the rule has been upheld.
Yes
Oooooooh, spicy topic!
Come come everyone, grab your khorne Flakes.
Snuggle up with your Slanesshi Doll.
Laugh with grandpapa nurg-nurg.
And remember never challenge tzeentch to Paradox billiards hyper dimension chess strip poker ..
Unless you're a silvery doorstep.
Also just never challenge that last one with any card game we're not sure but he might be a psyker but like we said we're not 100% certain
"And remember never challenge tzeentch to Paradox billiards hyper dimension chess strip poker ..
Unless you're a silvery doorstep."
Or a little girl...
Ah yes. Malal's true sphere - logistics.
Lol I can see it now, Malal, chaos god of Logistics 😝
I guess Good Old Malal revels at the centre of all this annihilation, never starving, always well fed.
What would happen if a Tyranid hive fleet somehow ended up in the realms of chaos? Their presence in the warp is the equivalent of white noise, so would they just cause the area they inhabit to become blurry and indistinct?
Not sure if it could handle the warp itself from the inside but hive fleet kronus specifically fights chaos stuff. Not that it matters because Gork n Mork are far too killy
I remember some fluff saying there was a Hive Fleet splinter that was thrust into the warp, and emerged completely unharmed
Its depends on how long they are there.
In a war of attrition they would lose due to having no biomass to replenish numbers.
There is also hive fleet kronus, supposebly an anti chaos fleet which has done well.
Mostly cause they didnt let themselves be bogged down and just blitzed through.
Nice one. I'm gonna rewatch the lore video of that insane ork who had is happy end
Arch, did you ever address what would actually happen if a chaos god succeeds at killing another chaos god? Would the victor inherit the portfolio a la D&D rules or would the victor just become more powerful and the loser's portfolio would disappear?
How would you kill excess or anger? If somehow a Chaos God was killed, the fundamental drivers of that warp parasite which still exist in the real world (e.g. people still want to be the best in their field) will feed the same warp power base that created the god in the first place. At best, the victorious chaos god might be able to assimilate the loser into himself and become a halfway point between the orginal two gods in question, convince all the other god's worshippers to worship him, and controls both domains. At worst, the god is dead for precisely one nanosecond and then bitch slaps the victorious one in return for 'killing' him.
The victor would have to destroy all the loser's daemons as the daemons are individualised pieces of their god. If they do not, the defeated god would come back in the form of his most powerful demon, who'd become the new god.
If all the daemons of the defeated god were destroyed, the energies they're sustained of would become an abundant "food" source for other warp entities. Those entities who feed on this new "food" would grow more and more powerful in this aspect, until eventually the fastest growing/biggest/strongest would absorb/kill/eat the others like him in competition for more of that "food". Eventually he would become the new chaos god of the aspect left behind by the defeated chaos god, ultimately replacing him.
I like to think something along these lines is happening to Malal/Malice, and that's why he's presently absent from the setting.
@@astrovarius543 that makes sense. Essentially the D&D version of when the Spider Queen rebirthed herself and then had her multiple personalities compete for supremacy. That was in the War of the Spider Queen and Lady Penitent series. Great reads.
Another fantastic video, good to see something other than the imperium getting some love.
What about Be'lakor then? He does not belong to any specific god, does he have a small base somewhere or is he forced to bow to the strongest god at the time?
He belongs to them. ... It's just that he doesn't belong outright to any single god. He is still influenced by each god
Perhaps Nurgal keeps Isha as a way to maintain the Stagnation of the universe. Without a goddess of healing countering his efforts his plagues would wipe out all life in the galaxy.
I somehow see this like the chaos gods playing this war like it is a game of warhammer, till Gork and Mork come in the room and the gods hide the table
DATZ ROIGHT!
Please do Chaos realm videos! I recently learned that was more than just worlds? Universes? It’s something I didn’t think about until it was put in front of me and now I got to know more.
Great video, it’s really easy to forget that the warp can simply be masses of energy biting at each other.
In short chaos gods are incompetent at anything.
Also lots of chaos gods have died. These guys are the natural consequence of chaos. Things started out with alot of small entity's battling it out and overtime they start to gather more and more powers and a smaller number of power players. Until eventally only one person remains.
In short it's a galaxy scale game of monopoly... well not quite because the board can expand and the property tiles have an effect on those seeking to own them.
So happy to see you watch making Warhammer videos again
My headcannon for Nurgle's invasion of Slanesh's realm: Newborn god of lust and fornication catches and STD and passes it around until there's enough disease present to create a portal directly to Nurgle's realm.
I don't think the Necrons could invade the warp. They're purely physical in nature, no souls no presence in the warp, same for blanks. My thought would be that humans and other races with souls can exist there because they are of both worlds in some respect. The soul allows the body to exist in and influence the immaterium, just as the body allows the soul to exist in and influence the material.
Though having said that, the Necrons might be able to do to the Realms of Chaos they to the material world with warp storms and rifts. Turn it into something more like their own realm. The Necrons were just trying to wall off reality, but maybe the technology can be applied offensively.
Using a scaled up pylon system to make a gellar field that empties out large chunks of the warp maybe? Necrons were able to create Dolmen gates and invade/utilize the webway, so it's not totally implausible that they might be able to do something similar with the warp.
This actually makes me think of something, what happens to a blank (I mean a proper sister of silence level pariah) if gellar fields fail during warp transit?
@@childofslaanesh1251 They still repulse warp entities. Nothing changes for them
@@banneduser5187 but unlike normal they repulse the very universe they are in now
@@childofslaanesh1251 well yes i suppose, but if the gellar fields fail in the warp itself they will still get butchered same as everyone else the only difference is they will kill/send to respawn alot more than anyone else before they go down. Being a blank just makes them semi-invisible to daemons and causes them pain when close. (in saturnine anyway)
the concept of a Necron monolith in the warp intrigued me.
The logical part of my brain says when a partical and an antipartical collide their they decimate causing a massive release of energy same here right?
But equally a Monolith "blocks" warp energy so maybe not.
Would it create a pocket of real space inside the warp?
would it fail to function?
I don't know exactly how they work but if they are constantly on would you need to force a hole into the warp leaving a pocket or would the warp energy encircle the monolith would it leaving a corridor of real space similar to the eye of terror had?
Would it be similar to the home of the Dark Elves warp like but not the warp?
why do you ask these question Arch im going to be thinking about this all week now!
Have the Monolith transported within a gellar protected warp vessel, turn it on and then slowly turn off the gellar field or push the monolith out of the vessel and gellar field while it's running.
@@doomguy9049 would a Geller field work around a monolith?
@@Niggins96 only one way to find out! 🤖👾👹
Honestly this makes me interested as to what do chaos entities see the emperor on The golden throne because I haven’t really seen any videos that give detail as to how do they respond to this giant light in the middle of The physical universe because to me it would be interesting to see
they avoid it. It literally burns their ethereal flesh.
Big E is called the Anathema for a reason.
@@robertnelson9599 I'm no lore master, but the question that always arises in my mind is what chaos actually fears in the Emperor...if he is human, his emotions should therefore be part of the chaos gods. I'd think they'd see him as a kind of nuclear reactor for chaos, a great plaything like Horus. (Big E's actions did cause a fair amount of chaos in his attempt to create order) Unless he is something like the Zen concept of Mushin. A state of "No mind" where, rather than relying on emotion, one disconnects and just does as the material world dictates...Big E's not really written that way, but who knows his innermost beliefs or what he's thinking as he passes time sitting on the golden throne...
In this way I can see why chaos would hate the Necron. Cold logical machines without emotion...and that brings up the issue, are the chaos gods on a lower tier than the C'tan? It would seem so as the C'tan are physical manifestations of the universe of which the warp is the reflection. Seems the C'tan could "Shatter the mirror" as it were and destroy chaos utterly, but that would entail destroying all sentient life in the universe. Which seems what at least the destroyers want to do. So would they be the pure C'tanic manifestation of the Necron race? The influence of the C'tan seeping into what's left of what the Necrontyr used to be?
@@42Mrgreenman Emperor knows what warp is and that chaos gods are no different than any other animal, and he's got the force of will to kill and undo them all should opportunity arise. Big E's very proximity to any of them robs them of their divnity.
Did not one Master of the Grey Knights also basically invade the Warp alone on his own?
Kaldor Draigo?
HE BRINGS THE HAMS!!!
A TANGERINE
Imagine if was Gork and Mork seducing Horus. Big E woulda been krumped.
I think a pariah in the warp, would simply find the space of the warp seamlessly warp around the pariah as if it was not even there.
And it seems the only way to fight and win against the gods in the warp is simply, to have them feel you should win, but good luck having selfish, spoiled gods think you should win.
I'd like to know what happens when a blank enters the chaos realms. Obviously they can enter the warp since they travel on ships but what effect if any would they have on the chaos gods realms or even if they made it to one of the gods themselves.
I'm aware of that but even in a gellar field they still exert a effect on the warp nevermind the rather common occurence of when a gellar field fails.
I'm convinced that the Chaos Gods are simply tabletop players building whatever they want and making rules of whatever they want, and The Game is the table and rules agreed upon amongst them.
God now I have to imagine nurgle being "that guy" type of player while tzeench trucks in with several proxies and OCs and khorne being the classic player who's a WW2 fan
@@pifilixxiv3192 Malal is the average Rome, Imperium, Ork, and Germania enjoyer.
@@pifilixxiv3192 as well as an America enjoyer.
@@orrorsaness5942 sorry but who's malal?
@@pifilixxiv3192 Malal (Known as Malice in Warhammer 40K) is the Chaos God of Chaos, Anarchy, and Contention.
He also may be the chaos god of injustice and unjustice.
It takes something as threatening to them as the Emperor for them to put aside their differences just long enough to have a united front against that.
3:50 - Mortals are self-destructive, the Chaos Gods aren't.
8:33 - Ah yes, we know who has her.
15:40 - Ah yes, you've covered him, here's how I see this arrangement:
Khorne: Tuska Daemon-Killa, you fought well, test your might against my strongest forces in the Brass Citadel!
Tuska Daemon-Killa: You want a fight, do ya? Well, we'll give you one! Let's ger 'em boyz! WAAAGH!!!
16:16 - I prefer to call them psychotic green fungus monsters that are having the time of their lives.
18:50 - As in "Skulls for the..."
31:45 - No, that's more a Slaanesh thing.
Arch have you read or heard Micheal moorcock's stuff? about chaos where 40k got the idea. Wondering if you could do a video of the connection. I mean in Corum you got Choas, symbol, the fact it's been 10k years since Corums race has been stuck in the chaos lands. And the different realms. It is described in Corum that thought is what gives chaos power. Choas god even changes his appearance to suit Corums taste rather than human taste. I think a video on the connection and what we can learn from the Micheal Moorcock stories of Choas and that of 40k would be good.
In Corum law was overtaken by chaos. There are different planes of existence.
I second this. The origins of Chaos in 40k from Moorcocks works could be a really interesting video from Arch
@@sneedclave7867 Yea I think Arch would do it justice. I mean the talk of plagiarism and reference is a story for another time. But I feel just focus on Choas and how it works. And I think this could back up how the emperor could ascend to god. As it's described that thought creates gods. But this person was tricked in Corum. But it may be a theme in the other stories I've only heard Corum. And was like man this is 40k. This is clearly where they got the entire idea. I mean I'm not sure how much of Choas has been retconned either Arch is more familiar. He is one of the few I think that could do a great video on it at least.
@@sneedclave7867 Arch also said in a livestream there was other gods of order. Or something along them lines when sargon and him were talking about 40k lore. Other gods. But they might be in warhammer fantasy. So not sure. He's actually the only youtuber I know that has talked about other gods existence.
Last time I was this early Big E was still making his sons
Surely if mortals believe that the chaos realms can be conquered means that it can, doesn't make it easy but possible
This
To be honest it sounds like the chaos gods are having a blast of a time.
While I know that Chaos is ALWAYS at war with each other, and that most likely; Chaos probably has worse record-keeping then the Imperium, as I doubt history is of any real consequence to them.
But, to the best of anyone's knowledge; have there ever been any battles between the traitor legions, that for what ever reason, they saw fit to remember....
One Night Lord speaking to another: "7,658 years later, and the Death Guard STILL won't shut up about how they managed to ambush us at the battle of Altair!.... they are nearing Word Bearer levels of insufferable!!"
Thank you in advance for any info. ✌🏻👹🤘🏻
I'm imagining chaos spare marines all holding hands while going through a portal, in order to end up in the same place at the same time
I've just realized something: If Slaanesh is a god of excess, does excess violence also empower him/her/them/whatever?
No.
Khorne has the monoply on violance.
Just like execive disease is still nurgle.
Slaanesh is the prince of depravity.
That feeling of doing something forbidden.
Something exciting.
And like all chaos gods they make you feel good as you want more and more.
Slaanesh is all about that desire for more.
The lust, the greed, the need for more.
Satifaction is the enemy of lust and thus the enemy of slaanesh.
Q: "What would happen if you placed a Necon Monolith direcly in the warp"
A: That amount of Blackstone in the warp would probably wipe both from reality. Both the part of reality where the monolith made entry and the corresponding part of the warp.
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"Voll of walcanoes" at the end got me a bit of chuckle
Warp gods sit down to play the great game. Korn says: "Ok Big E, your turn to deal. What's the game?" Emps: "Risk."
I've always seen the chaos gods as a bunch of squabling sibling. They are pains in the butt to eachother, but don't outright go killing eachother off, just smashing their toys.
Realm of Chaos is a board game. The gods play with themselves as long as they follow the rules
21:50 and that is why I love the 40k community, on one side we have nurgle feeding isha the worst plauge he has concocted and on the other isha is nurgle wife in which they have healthy relationship.
Plot twist: The Great Game is actually just a game of Calvin Ball that got way out of hand.
"How the hell do you invade... Russia? Except Russia was one enormous swamp filled with Malaria and pestilence carrying bugs(zah)"
Communist Florida
A horrifying thought
That’s just Russia in the spring and summer, as well as Russia in fall.
If I recall correctly, Tzeench sent Horus into the mirror maze.
Great video Arch. Love how you describe the Great Game. It's like 4 master chess masters locked in game until one can find away to subjugate the others without destroying themself or universe as the result. Because what's the point of winning if there isn't a prize at the conclusion of the game.
WOO-HOO! Story time with Arch!
>Isha
>eat the bowl of 40 eggs
>or back to Slaanesh
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>ok
Small correction, Arch. Slaanesh knows all about Commoragh; it owns the Eldar and leaves the city alone due to it's billions of citizens providing a drip feed of nectar (Eldar souls).
It's the other gods that try to screw the city up. (See path of the Dark Eldar series).
The Chaos Gods are simply playing a very large scale of wargame. Thats why they never manage to kill each other. Very much a massive game of Risk, you want to defeat your opponent but if you get too successful the other players gang up on you.
Orks: Appearing everywhere, including the realm of Chaos.
Maybe Necron tech will turn immaterium into materium and introduce permanence better to it.
'0:49 Eye of....Terra?
I need to make a monolith with two arms and a vacuum hoovering up demons now
Yes, thank you arch
Good leaders take to war. Great leaders take to logistics.
I wonder what effect the burning of nurgle's garden in the book Godblight will have. If the emperor is the anathema, wouldn't the damage be permanent?
Ok question: How do other chaos gods play into this? I'm primarily talking about Gork and Mork here. Because my headcanon is that gork and mork are simply too preoccupied beating the living shit out of each other to care about that stupid little game the other gods are playing. In my mind it's also that sometimes gork and mork may roll around straight through the realms of chaos and the other gods essentially just get out of their way, sigh and when gork and mork have rolled past they pick up their game pieces that were thrown off the table of destroyed by stray blows. Kind of a "the cat jumped on the table" situation.
Also, what about the emperor? Could the emperor create his own land and faction within that war? The existance of the legion of the damned strongly suggests that the emperor (or a warp entity formed by the collective believe in the emperor) does have it's own demons. Does the emperor have some kind of chaos domain somewhere but just not within the chaotic realm of the four primary gods?
Also, wasn't there once a chaos god of order? Wouldn't such a chaos god be the biggest cheat faction in this war? Because such a god could theoretically force the other gods to play by the rules at least within his own domain. "You are trying to send a two hundred km tall titan against me? Sry, the rules of physics clearly say that a construct this size will collapse under his own weight. Try again."
I agree with the gork and mork idea.
I believe in Arch theory that the worship of the god emperor created a warp entity that believes itself to be the corpse emperor.
And created a heaven for his worshiper.
A heaven he protects from chaos with his loyal subjects help.
The warp is shaped by real space believe's, emotions, etc.
The whole emperor hurts chaos is because it is believed to be so.
The human emperor is just a psyker.
One more interesting question: Could a pariah enter the realms of chaos? If i remember correctly the realms of chaos are supposed to lie behind the eye of terror. So, could a pariah walk into the eye of terror and exit into the realms of chaos? Would the eye of terror even exist for the pariah/would the eye of terror even affect a pariah? The chaos gods can essentially just pick a random human from the material universe and transport him to the realms of chaos. But could they do the same to a pariah (assuming the chaos gods could even perceive the pariah)? And assuming a pariah could enter the realms of chaos, how would that affect them? Both the pariah and the realms of chaos. I imagine that the pariah would essentially enforce a degree of reality onto his surroundings. So for example if he walks on solid rock that solid rock cannot spontanously turn into liquid nitrogen or some other bullshit. So in theory, could you wage conventional war in the realms of chaos by bringing a shitload of pariahs and center your battle formations around them?
Honestly must of been a real challenge for the chaos gods to keep a straight face when "submitting to Horus." 🤭
I hypothesize that in the case of Isha, and to an extent Khaine and Cegorach, it was like attracts like, that is, the goddess of life was subsumed into the greater deity of life and death. Khorne and Khaine, gods of killing, Cegorach and Tzeentch, gods of cunning, this seems more like the Three chaos gods preserving aspects of themselves in the Eldar Pantheon from the new Goddess’ depredations.
Also, it would be cool to have a miniseries about Horus’ crusades in the Warp
Thank you.
Ah yes, sweet sweet Arch-infused lore. Hook it into my bloody veins👌
Are WE the Chaos Gods? Playing at war, calling it a Game, playing by gentlemanly rules to increase the enjoyment of the conflict of the lesser beings that we control.
If that’s the case, then why are most of the players pro Imperium?
@@orrorsaness5942 Because, just like to the Chaos Gods, it doesn't matter which side wins. Imperium, Chaos, Ork, Tyranid. All that matters is that the game has been played and we have had a good time. If that means enjoying playing Imperium forces, so be it, just have fun!
@@TonklinFallen I see
Fighting the Warp? Yeah, punch that mirror, that'll fix the reflection-
Ahh, 5 minute no rush gentleman's agreement. Good times
Love the vids!!! Thank you
I have always imagined you narrating the old Warhammer gameslike shadow of the horned rat or dark Omen.
Just send the Sue Knights, all of them.
Tuska sounds like a hoot.
If you haven't seen the Arch Tuska video try and find time to do so mate it's brilliant
What I want to know is how a mortal like Kaldor Draigo can exist in the warp for more than like 30 seconds.