Ahmad ibn Hanbal figuratively interpreted the word of Allah Most High, "And your Lord shall come . . ." (Qur'an 89:22), as meaning "His recompense (thawab) shall come." Al-Bayhaqi said, "This chain of narrators has absolutely nothing wrong in it" (al-Bidaya wa al-nihaya,10.342). In other words, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, like the Companions (Sahaba) and other early Muslims mentioned above, sometimes also gave figurative interpretations (ta’wil) to scriptural expressions that might otherwise have been misinterpreted anthropomorphically. This was also the way of Abul Hasan al-Ash‘ari, founder of the Ash‘ari school of Islamic belief, who had two views about the mutashabihat, the first being tafwid, or ‘consigning the knowledge of what is meant to Allah,’ and the second being ta’wil or ‘figurative interpretation’ when needed to avoid the suggestion of the anthropomorphism that is explicitly rejected by the Qur'an.
The hadith master (hafiz) Ibn Kathir reports that Imam al-Bayhaqi related from al-Hakim from Abu ‘Amr ibn al-Sammak, from Hanbal, the son of the brother of Ahmad ibn Hanbal’s father, that
It's normal because Ahmed Ibn Hanbal HAD to do this because of the misunderstanding of the Mu'tazila, so he had to refute them and explain to them the meaning of the verses, it was only in case of necessity that he had done this, that's what say the Athâri, now I am Ash'âri, and the ta'wil is possible but the best is to make tafweedh obviously.
@@jzk4279 Those Mu'tazilite applied Jahmiyya's methode on negation in positive and negative attributes of ALLAH S.W.T. Due complexity of words, both school Jahmiyyah dan Musyabihah tried to push their methodes influenced later school like Athari, Asharis and Maturidis. 1. Jahmiyya said ALLAH is exalted above words, names, definition, limits and attributes, in order for Pure Tawheed and avoid anthromorphism, so they applied Ta'theel. 2. Musyabihah said ALLAH has positive attributes and even bodily attributes, but He's in Uniqueness not same of the creation, in order for Pure Tawheed and avoid anthromorphism, so they applied Isbat. 3. The schools of Jahmiyya' methode influenced the Mu'tazilah to be among negater what has written to be in physical but in reality it's not. 4. The schools of Musyabihah methodes influenced the Ahli Hadith to be among affirmer what has written to be in physical sense. 5. Asharis learn both methodes the Ahli Hadith and Mu'tazilah to compromise relevation to reason. There were affirmer of positive attributes but negater of bodily attributes.
@@muslim-g1x Quran 89 :22 - "And thy Lord shall come with angels, rank on rank, Ibn abass said that it means His orders and His decisions." - Again there is More to the tafsir... View Quran 2 :210, 6 :158... very Beautiful.
@@sarimsakliyogurtlumantikli1212 Brother gazali like Ashari repented from Kalam, Ashari became Athari, see book usul Dayana authenticated like Dhahabi. I do agree its best to keep it simple though.
Ayat an Nur is also one instance that can be interpreted in both ways and indeed has been right interpreted in both ways according to tafsir ibn kathir for example with ibn abbas' ra interpretation.
This is false! تفويض is in the كيفية not in the wording of the sifa and this is the mathab of Imam Ahmad and the Athari Hanabila. Of course I’m not a rejector of tawassul and tasawwuf because these are clearly accepted in the Hanbali school just like the other 3 however the Hanbali Aqeedah is إثبات معانى الصفات affirming the meanings of the sifaat linguistically whilst doing تنزيه of being anything like the sifaat of creation and doing تفويض of the modality because it’s part of the ghaib and we do not have any access to this information and this is explained by Ibn Qudamah and Safaareeni and Ibn Balban Al-Ba’li and sheikhul Islam Ibn taymiya and Ibn Al-Qayyim. I’m glad that this Egyptian Brother is an Azhari mutasawwif Hanbali because by Allah I feel completely alone here in the uk and I’d walk on my face to Egypt if I knew I could get a chance to study in-depth with his like but unfortunately like is difficult and such chances are rare though a Muslim is always hopeful. There’s no conflict between Atharis and Asharis as both are Ahlus Sunnah as Safaareeni clearly states in his works.
Sunnah Tawassul is allowed (Quran 5 :35), calling Allah through: 1. His 99 or more names (Quran 7 :180) 2. One's own Good deeds (Quran 34 :37, ex: Bukhari 2215, Dealership) 3. Ask a reachable living one to make dua for you. (S. Bukhari 1010, Invoking for Rain) 4. One's Hardship. (Quran 28 :25 & Quran 19 :4) ----- Haram/Bid'ah 1. Call Allah by rank of the Prophet Messengers or righteous. (Quran 2 :141) ------ Shirk 1. Calling creation or intercessors to Allah! (Quran 17 :56, refuted by verse 57, see top of this list & 72 :18 - 22) ------ ------ Sunna Intercession 1. To ask Allah for intercession. (Quran 39 :44, ex: Bukhari 614, Book Call to prayer) ------ Polytheistic Intercession. 1. Calling creation as intercessors of Allah (Quran 10 :18 & 35 :14 refuted by 40 :60 & 6 :56 etc.)
Doubt : The pious who passed hear du'a [due to living in barzakh (Quran 2:154)] Answer : The pious who passed can only hear Taslim. (Abi Dawud 2041, Hajj) Abu Hurairah reports The Prophet (ﷺ peace & blessings be upon him) said: *If you greet me Allah returns my soul to me* and I reply. Answer 2 : Abu Marthad al-Ghanawi reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ peace and blessings be upon him) as saying: *Do not pray facing to the graves,* and do not sit on them. - Sahih Muslim 972, Janazah Jundub reported I heard from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) five days before his death and he said: I stand acquitted before Allah that I took any one of you as friend, for Allah has taken me as His friend, as he took Ibrahim as His friend. Had I taken any one of my Ummah as a friend, I would have taken Abu Bakr as a friend. *Beware of who preceded you and used graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.* - Sahih Muslim 532, Book of Masjids.
أسلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته محمد If you haven’t found it already, sheikh Yusuf has an online madrasa where you can learn quite a bit from. He even has mueideen in the UK that you can get in contact with, just look up al madrasa al hanbaliyya, enroll in bidayat al abid for fiqh then hit up one of his senior students in the UK, you will know who’s who insha Allah
@@W67w when hanbalis say God spoke with a sound it means just that, but here sound is understood as a creation. To understand it, bila tashbih, it's like if a man were to communicate with somebody far away and he typed his statements in a computer and later sent it as a sound clip: here the man is communicating with a sound, but that sound is not from within him.
Allah's Tawhid Asma wa Siffat Derived from Qur'an : Tawhid of Knowing Allah's Names & Attributes have 4 Subcategories. Belief without : A) Tatil or Denial - Qur'an 7 : 180 - And (all) the Most Beautiful Names belong to Allah , so call on Him by them, and leave the company of those who belie or deny (or utter impious speech against) His Names. They will be requited for what they used to do. ( See also Qur'an 16 :60 ) B) Tasbih or comparison - Qur'an 16 : 74 - So put not forward similitudes for Allah (as there is nothing similar to Him). Truly! Allah knows and you know not. C) Takyif or Inquiry - Qur'an 17 : 36 - And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not) that of which you have no knowledge. Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those one will be questioned D) Tahrif or distortion - Qur'an 7 : 33 - Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "(But) the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are Al-Fawahish (great evil sins and every kind of lewdness) whether committed openly or secretly, sins, unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge." --- Even during the Hadith Imam's Era's time, Imam Tirmidhi says : Imaam at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) said, “It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (resemblance) to the Attributes of Allaah, and our Lord, the Blessed and Most High, descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say, ‘Affirm these narrations, have eernaan (faith) in them, do not deny them, nor ask how.’ The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn ‘Uyainah and ‘Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth, ‘Leave them as they are, without asking how.’ Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from the Ahlus-Sunnah walJamaa’ah. However, the Jahmiyyah oppose these narrations and say, ‘This is tashbeeh!’ However, Allaah the Most High, has mentioned in various places in His Book, the Attribute of al-Yad (Hand), as-Sam’ (Hearing), and al-Basr (Seeing), but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these aayaat, explaining them in a way other than how they are explained by the People of Knowledge. They (the Jahmiyyah) say, ‘Indeed, Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand,’ they say that Hand means the Power of Allaah.” 138 - Sunan at-Tirmidhee, 3/24 Abul-Hasan al-Ash’aree (d. 324H) said, “If it is said, ‘Why do you deny that His saying: “Do they not see that We have created for them what Our Own Hands have created.” 164 And His saying: “Whom I have created with My Own (Two) Hands.” - 165 are rnajaaz (metaphorical)?’ To him it is said, ‘ The ruling concerning the Speech of Allah, the Mighty and Majestic, is that it is taken upon its dhaahir (apparent) and haqeeqah (real) meaning. Nothing is removed from its dhaahir (apparent) meaning to majaaz (a metaphorical) one, except with a proof ... It is obligatory to affirm two Hands for Allaah, the Most High, in its haqeeqah (real) meaning, not with the meaning of ni’matayn (two bounties of Allaah).” - 168 Al-Ibaanah ‘an Usoolid-Diyaanah, p. 133.
@@snakejuce This is Quran and sunnah and the sayings of the salaf. You are only showing you oppose the Quran, sunna & salaf. Islam is an open & clear religion, only you are spamming.
Back in the day of the righteous khulafa, those with deviant beliefs were detained and sometimes beaten. That is what happened to Ibn Taymiyyah, among others
Just like shia are wrong to say I follow Quran but reject sahaba though some also reject Quran, sufi maturidis are wrong to say I take fiqh & hadith from but ignore all 4 Mathhab & 6 Hadith Imams were Athari / Salafi, Allah is above the Throne by ijma'a in Aqida. As were Sahaba in Tafsir Quran 6 :82. Hope this helps. "Tafwid is safe" - No, it denies Quran 65 :12 - To know Allah! Allah is Ever Living, His Great Name, tafwid here denies Allah or atheism running from idols, 2 extremes! Islam is balance - affirm attributes & don't liken, Quran 42 :11! Where's proof to differ Sifat 'Qabriya" from others? Answer if sincere - Quran 7 :33 & 67 :12! Until then you do bida & maybe shirk speaking on Allah w/o knowledge.
All 4 mathhabs and 6 hadith imams were Athari, including tafsir imams like Tabari and Qurtubi. All said Allah is above the Throne. Edit : maybe not qurtubi, but his salaf tabari did.
Qadriya deny Allah's Siffat of knowledge of the future in Name of purifying Allah, Jabriya said opposite that Allah forces the creation & they were Jahmiya who negated Allah's Attributes & Mutazilah did similar, Asharis/Maturids follow this pattern of not affirming Allah's Siffat in the name of purifying Allah! If they start denying Allah's Attribute as true, they'll deny any part of Quran is true! Its why many Asharis repented... like Ghazali who mixed with Sufism bida on Prophecy! This is why Asharis divided to secular more they got in bida & left salafi way & Saudis/Bani Tamim (Bani Tamim is hard on Duejal in hadith) built sunni nation unity sticking to Athar! Athari Salafi - Affirm Attributes is real like Allah is Ever Living! Jahmi/ Mutazilah - Deny Allah's Attributes or Names! Ashari (repented) & Maturidi - Combine 2, replace meaning w/ tafwid & tawil. Quran 49 :11 - Do not give nick names, What's Wahabi & how do they differ from Islam using their sources as proof? --- Whats the difference? "We (Ibn Abd. Wahab) believe & practice as Salaf like the 4 good imam's way, believe in Allah's verses & hadith on His attributes w/o likening (tasbih), examples (tamthil) or negation (Tatil). - Book by Md. Aman al Jami : Islamic Aqida & its history, pg 172! & : lmaam Ahmad (d. 241 ] said, “These ahaadeeth should he left as they are ... ‘We affirm them and we do not make any similitude for them. This is what has been agreed upon by the scholars.” - As Sunnah by His son, Page 25. - 136 Reported by Ibn al-Jawzee in Manaaqib lmaam Ahmad, pp. 155-156.
The distinction at the end of the video was great! Loved it
Ahmad ibn Hanbal figuratively interpreted the word of Allah Most High,
"And your Lord shall come . . ." (Qur'an 89:22),
as meaning "His recompense (thawab) shall come."
Al-Bayhaqi said, "This chain of narrators has absolutely nothing wrong in it" (al-Bidaya wa al-nihaya,10.342).
In other words, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, like the Companions (Sahaba) and other early Muslims mentioned above, sometimes also gave figurative interpretations (ta’wil) to scriptural expressions that might otherwise have been misinterpreted anthropomorphically. This was also the way of Abul Hasan al-Ash‘ari, founder of the Ash‘ari school of Islamic belief, who had two views about the mutashabihat, the first being tafwid, or ‘consigning the knowledge of what is meant to Allah,’ and the second being ta’wil or ‘figurative interpretation’ when needed to avoid the suggestion of the anthropomorphism that is explicitly rejected by the Qur'an.
The hadith master (hafiz) Ibn Kathir reports that Imam al-Bayhaqi related from al-Hakim from Abu ‘Amr ibn al-Sammak, from Hanbal, the son of the brother of Ahmad ibn Hanbal’s father, that
It's normal because Ahmed Ibn Hanbal HAD to do this because of the misunderstanding of the Mu'tazila, so he had to refute them and explain to them the meaning of the verses, it was only in case of necessity that he had done this, that's what say the Athâri, now I am Ash'âri, and the ta'wil is possible but the best is to make tafweedh obviously.
@@jzk4279
Those Mu'tazilite applied Jahmiyya's methode on negation in positive and negative attributes of ALLAH S.W.T.
Due complexity of words, both school Jahmiyyah dan Musyabihah tried to push their methodes influenced later school like Athari, Asharis and Maturidis.
1. Jahmiyya said ALLAH is exalted above words, names, definition, limits and attributes, in order for Pure Tawheed and avoid anthromorphism, so they applied Ta'theel.
2. Musyabihah said ALLAH has positive attributes and even bodily attributes, but He's in Uniqueness not same of the creation, in order for Pure Tawheed and avoid anthromorphism, so they applied Isbat.
3. The schools of Jahmiyya' methode influenced the Mu'tazilah to be among negater what has written to be in physical but in reality it's not.
4. The schools of Musyabihah methodes influenced the Ahli Hadith to be among affirmer what has written to be in physical sense.
5. Asharis learn both methodes the Ahli Hadith and Mu'tazilah to compromise relevation to reason. There were affirmer of positive attributes but negater of bodily attributes.
@@muslim-g1x Quran 89 :22 - "And thy Lord shall come with angels, rank on rank, Ibn abass said that it means His orders and His decisions."
- Again there is More to the tafsir... View Quran 2 :210, 6 :158... very Beautiful.
@@sarimsakliyogurtlumantikli1212 Brother gazali like Ashari repented from Kalam, Ashari became Athari, see book usul Dayana authenticated like Dhahabi. I do agree its best to keep it simple though.
Ayat an Nur is also one instance that can be interpreted in both ways and indeed has been right interpreted in both ways according to tafsir ibn kathir for example with ibn abbas' ra interpretation.
I'm curious as to how you can consider the results of an entire methodology _haram_ while preserving its roots' validity.
Are you ameen on discord? :D
@@ish8891 Maybe.
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“Results of an entire methodology” - ???
@@-Ahmed8592 For example, ta'wil being haram, which is ascertained through the methodology of the Asha'ira.
BarakAllahu Fīkum 🌹
This is false! تفويض is in the كيفية not in the wording of the sifa and this is the mathab of Imam Ahmad and the Athari Hanabila. Of course I’m not a rejector of tawassul and tasawwuf because these are clearly accepted in the Hanbali school just like the other 3 however the Hanbali Aqeedah is إثبات معانى الصفات affirming the meanings of the sifaat linguistically whilst doing تنزيه of being anything like the sifaat of creation and doing تفويض of the modality because it’s part of the ghaib and we do not have any access to this information and this is explained by Ibn Qudamah and Safaareeni and Ibn Balban Al-Ba’li and sheikhul Islam Ibn taymiya and Ibn Al-Qayyim. I’m glad that this Egyptian Brother is an Azhari mutasawwif Hanbali because by Allah I feel completely alone here in the uk and I’d walk on my face to Egypt if I knew I could get a chance to study in-depth with his like but unfortunately like is difficult and such chances are rare though a Muslim is always hopeful. There’s no conflict between Atharis and Asharis as both are Ahlus Sunnah as Safaareeni clearly states in his works.
Sunnah Tawassul is allowed (Quran 5 :35), calling Allah through:
1. His 99 or more names (Quran 7 :180)
2. One's own Good deeds (Quran 34 :37, ex: Bukhari 2215, Dealership)
3. Ask a reachable living one to make dua for you. (S. Bukhari 1010, Invoking for Rain)
4. One's Hardship. (Quran 28 :25 & Quran 19 :4)
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Haram/Bid'ah
1. Call Allah by rank of the Prophet Messengers or righteous. (Quran 2 :141)
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Shirk
1. Calling creation or intercessors to Allah! (Quran 17 :56, refuted by verse 57, see top of this list & 72 :18 - 22)
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Sunna Intercession
1. To ask Allah for intercession. (Quran 39 :44, ex: Bukhari 614, Book Call to prayer)
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Polytheistic Intercession.
1. Calling creation as intercessors of Allah (Quran 10 :18 & 35 :14 refuted by 40 :60 & 6 :56 etc.)
Doubt : The pious who passed hear du'a [due to living in barzakh (Quran 2:154)]
Answer : The pious who passed can only hear Taslim. (Abi Dawud 2041, Hajj)
Abu Hurairah reports The Prophet (ﷺ peace & blessings be upon him) said: *If you greet me Allah returns my soul to me* and I reply.
Answer 2 :
Abu Marthad al-Ghanawi reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ peace and blessings be upon him) as saying:
*Do not pray facing to the graves,* and do not sit on them.
- Sahih Muslim 972, Janazah
Jundub reported I heard from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) five days before his death and he said: I stand acquitted before Allah that I took any one of you as friend, for Allah has taken me as His friend, as he took Ibrahim as His friend. Had I taken any one of my Ummah as a friend, I would have taken Abu Bakr as a friend. *Beware of who preceded you and used graves of their prophets and righteous men as places of worship, but you must not take graves as mosques; I forbid you to do that.*
- Sahih Muslim 532, Book of Masjids.
Imam Ashari left Kulabiya and joined Athari Ahlul sunnah!
Asalamu'alaykum brother Muhammad are you still in the uk? I am also in the uk. I could perhaps be of aid?
أسلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته محمد
If you haven’t found it already, sheikh Yusuf has an online madrasa where you can learn quite a bit from. He even has mueideen in the UK that you can get in contact with, just look up al madrasa al hanbaliyya, enroll in bidayat al abid for fiqh then hit up one of his senior students in the UK, you will know who’s who insha Allah
I believe they differ regarding the quran as well. Asharis say Allah does not speak with sound and letters and hanbalis believe Allah does.
Sound and letters are creation. Creation are not attributes of the most high.
@@W67w when hanbalis say God spoke with a sound it means just that, but here sound is understood as a creation. To understand it, bila tashbih, it's like if a man were to communicate with somebody far away and he typed his statements in a computer and later sent it as a sound clip: here the man is communicating with a sound, but that sound is not from within him.
Allah's Tawhid Asma wa Siffat Derived from Qur'an :
Tawhid of Knowing Allah's Names & Attributes have 4 Subcategories. Belief without :
A) Tatil or Denial - Qur'an 7 : 180 - And (all) the Most Beautiful Names belong to Allah , so call on Him by them, and leave the company of those who belie or deny (or utter impious speech against) His Names. They will be requited for what they used to do. ( See also Qur'an 16 :60 )
B) Tasbih or comparison - Qur'an 16 : 74 - So put not forward similitudes for Allah (as there is nothing similar to Him). Truly! Allah knows and you know not.
C) Takyif or Inquiry - Qur'an 17 : 36 - And follow not (O man i.e., say not, or do not or witness not) that of which you have no knowledge. Verily! The hearing, and the sight, and the heart, of each of those one will be questioned
D) Tahrif or distortion - Qur'an 7 : 33 - Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "(But) the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are Al-Fawahish (great evil sins and every kind of lewdness) whether committed openly or secretly, sins, unrighteous oppression, joining partners (in worship) with Allah for which He has given no authority, and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge."
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Even during the Hadith Imam's Era's time, Imam Tirmidhi says :
Imaam at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) said, “It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (resemblance) to the Attributes of Allaah, and our Lord, the Blessed and Most High, descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say, ‘Affirm these narrations, have eernaan (faith) in them, do not deny them, nor ask how.’
The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn ‘Uyainah and ‘Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth, ‘Leave them as they are, without asking how.’ Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from the Ahlus-Sunnah walJamaa’ah.
However, the Jahmiyyah oppose these narrations and say, ‘This is tashbeeh!’ However, Allaah the Most High, has mentioned in various places in His Book, the Attribute of al-Yad (Hand), as-Sam’ (Hearing), and al-Basr (Seeing), but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these aayaat, explaining them in a way other than how they are explained by the People of Knowledge. They (the Jahmiyyah) say, ‘Indeed, Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand,’ they say that Hand means the Power of Allaah.” 138 - Sunan at-Tirmidhee, 3/24
Abul-Hasan al-Ash’aree (d. 324H) said,
“If it is said, ‘Why do you deny that His saying: “Do they not see that We have created for them what Our Own Hands have created.” 164 And His saying: “Whom I have created with My Own (Two) Hands.” - 165 are rnajaaz (metaphorical)?’ To him it is said, ‘
The ruling concerning the Speech of Allah, the Mighty and Majestic, is that it is taken upon its dhaahir (apparent) and haqeeqah (real) meaning. Nothing is removed from its dhaahir (apparent) meaning to majaaz (a metaphorical) one, except with a proof ...
It is obligatory to affirm two Hands for Allaah, the Most High, in its haqeeqah (real) meaning, not with the meaning of ni’matayn (two bounties of Allaah).” - 168 Al-Ibaanah ‘an Usoolid-Diyaanah, p. 133.
Stop spamming your juhul everywhere young pseudosalafi jahil.
@@snakejuce This is Quran and sunnah and the sayings of the salaf.
You are only showing you oppose the Quran, sunna & salaf. Islam is an open & clear religion, only you are spamming.
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Stop spamming you literal clown jahil. Cope and seethe harder.
Great echo chamber you've created. Allāhul-Musta'ān.
By echo chamber you mean you are coming to the realisation that true Atharis today don't obsess over the Asharis day and night like the Salafis do?
@@-Ahmed8592 Are you sure, yes of course they have criticised them, but not everyday
Back in the day of the righteous khulafa, those with deviant beliefs were detained and sometimes beaten. That is what happened to Ibn Taymiyyah, among others
Just like shia are wrong to say I follow Quran but reject sahaba though some also reject Quran, sufi maturidis are wrong to say I take fiqh & hadith from but ignore all 4 Mathhab & 6 Hadith Imams were Athari / Salafi, Allah is above the Throne by ijma'a in Aqida. As were Sahaba in Tafsir Quran 6 :82. Hope this helps.
"Tafwid is safe" - No, it denies Quran 65 :12 - To know Allah! Allah is Ever Living, His Great Name, tafwid here denies Allah or atheism running from idols, 2 extremes! Islam is balance - affirm attributes & don't liken, Quran 42 :11! Where's proof to differ Sifat 'Qabriya" from others? Answer if sincere - Quran 7 :33 & 67 :12! Until then you do bida & maybe shirk speaking on Allah w/o knowledge.
Stop spamming you pseudosalafi jahil
Are the hanbali ashari or athari?
Athari
They can be either. Ibn al-Jawzi, Ibn 'Aqil and Al-Bahuti were all Hanbali Asharis
All 4 mathhabs and 6 hadith imams were Athari, including tafsir imams like Tabari and Qurtubi.
All said Allah is above the Throne.
Edit : maybe not qurtubi, but his salaf tabari did.
@@danishanwar6757 Yes imam ibn Hanbal himself was Athari.
Imam Ashari repented to Athari as well.
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 May the Most High curse you for lying you pseudosalafi jahil.
Qadriya deny Allah's Siffat of knowledge of the future in Name of purifying Allah, Jabriya said opposite that Allah forces the creation & they were Jahmiya who negated Allah's Attributes & Mutazilah did similar, Asharis/Maturids follow this pattern of not affirming Allah's Siffat in the name of purifying Allah! If they start denying Allah's Attribute as true, they'll deny any part of Quran is true!
Its why many Asharis repented... like Ghazali who mixed with Sufism bida on Prophecy! This is why Asharis divided to secular more they got in bida & left salafi way & Saudis/Bani Tamim (Bani Tamim is hard on Duejal in hadith) built sunni nation unity sticking to Athar!
Athari Salafi - Affirm Attributes is real like Allah is Ever Living!
Jahmi/ Mutazilah - Deny Allah's Attributes or Names!
Ashari (repented) & Maturidi - Combine 2, replace meaning w/ tafwid & tawil.
Quran 49 :11 - Do not give nick names, What's Wahabi & how do they differ from Islam using their sources as proof?
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Whats the difference? "We (Ibn Abd. Wahab) believe & practice as Salaf like the 4 good imam's way, believe in Allah's verses & hadith on His attributes w/o likening (tasbih), examples (tamthil) or negation (Tatil).
- Book by Md. Aman al Jami : Islamic Aqida & its history, pg 172! & :
lmaam Ahmad (d. 241 ] said, “These ahaadeeth should he left as they are ... ‘We affirm them and we do not make any similitude for them. This is what has been agreed upon by the scholars.”
- As Sunnah by His son, Page 25.
- 136 Reported by Ibn al-Jawzee in Manaaqib lmaam Ahmad, pp. 155-156.
Stop spamming you literal clown.
where is this guy's eard?
Keeping a beard in Isla is mandatory. It's a sin if you don't keep one. Please stop following people blindly.
His beard is there. Open your eyes
He didn't shave it , he has it
And asha'ris believe the Qur'an is created.
Quit the nonsens.
@@AsharietenNederland what nonsense
@@sarimsakliyogurtlumantikli1212 Read their books.
@@maxmudxareed1345 The Speech of Allah is not created, but letters are created therefore the one you have on the shelf is created (of course)
@@Bot-gy9gx There you're confirming my claim. Now it's save to say the asha'aris are jahmiyya.