ARB Air Locker vs Yukon Zip Locker
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- See how the ARB Air Locker stacks up against the Yukon Zip Locker on ARB's purpose built 30 tonne destructive test rig.
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Thanks for the comment. Out of interest, the Arctic Truck teams run Air Lockers front and rear in their vehicles and have used them in temps down to -40C with no problem.
i have seen the same thing happen to an arb air diff locker
the arb locker case cracked and the hole diff destroyed itself
In answer to your testing, maybe your viewers should watch this and also consider Yukons warranty (2yrs) compared to yours (None)
The real question after watching this video should be who backs up their product!
I for one do and will always run Yukon products!
Google Yukon zip locker testing!
Absolutely! That scenario would be one of the most common for snapping axle shafts. Most four wheelers would be aware of people who've experienced this on the trail. Axle shafts are relatively cheap to replace compared to other drivetrain components and can usually be changed on the trail. Having an axle shaft break can end your day, though, and for this reason most four wheelers consider installing upgraded shafts. It's safe to assume that the ARB was subjected to real world conditions here.
Hi Rob, no of course not. New axles of the same specification were used in both tests.
I would rather see this testing done by an outside company that has nothing to do with arb or yukon. I would trust the results better
No doubt!
@ARB4WD: I'm curious about a couple of things.... The actual TQ values in the two tests really aren't that far apart: (Yukon failed at 6271 Lb/Ft.... ARB test stopped at 6545 Lb/Ft) a difference of only 274 Lb/Ft... which sort of implies that if identical axleshafts were used, the Yukon was VERY close to successfully reaching the end of the test also...??? Was the axle shaft in the Yukon test also twisted at 80-degrees prior to failure? It looks like only the splines were twisted.
Second: Do you have any concerns that this test isn't 100% valid due to the fact that only 1 axle shaft is installed? It would seem that you are only applying a TQ load to one side of the case (which would not happen in a real-life "locked differential" situation) and perhaps that large gaping hole created by the missing axleshaft on the opposite side allowed for some initial deformation of the housing which may have led to the cracking of the case???
It was a very interesting test to watch, and I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts when you get a chance. (I'd also like 2 "evaluation" units for my Ford 9" housings if you are so inclined!) ;) That way I could independently review your claims.... Cheers!
Every axle is different. For whatever differential this video is for an ARB is noticeably stronger. Some, like the AMC20, have a large 8.8inch ring gear but tiny axle shafts and a flimsy case so no matter how hard you try you will break your shafts or strip your ring and pinion long before you come close to breaking the carrier. All this video shows is that for this particular application ARB is better.
Hi there, the Air Locker that was used in the video was an RD104 - a 30 spline Dana 30 diff.
Hi Tcorris, these tests were performed to demonstrate real world situations. We used brand new, identical, commonly available axle shafts to show the breaking point of common shafts vs. the failure point of the differentials. Air Lockers are designed to withstand considerably more torque than the best axle shafts available, so we can’t actually show you an Air Locker breakage.
Hi there, just for clarification, the Zip Locker actually failed at 6271 lb.ft, not 6700 lb.ft.
Yes, it's a pretty extreme test and a huge amount of torque being applied to the components but it does illustrate the strength of the ARB...When I get my KK set up I'd prefer to save for a few extra weeks and have the confidence I'll get home.
Did you even watch the video?
1) @ 28sec in it states 2 brand new axles shafts were used for both tests.
2) @ 3:40min it again states with an identical brand new shaft was used.
3) @ 6:27min it shows BOTH AXLE SHAFTS!
I have an ARB 30 spline for my front dana 30 with chromally axle shafts, 35" tires, and 4.56 gears and I broke the teeth off my ring gear and chipped the pinion teeth before the locker or shafts came close to breaking or twisting, I'm sure the yukon zip would have outlasted the ring gear too....
lol anyone who thinks this is unbiased is kidding themselves.
Who's to say they didn't weaken the Yukon locker over and over testing it multiple times then start recording lol Or that the ARB one didn't break and then they just put new parts on the bench lol
This test is biased and unreliable!
7,000lb.+ K30 trail rig/log skidder/work truck with 38.5" SXs, a built 406, and a 203/Lomax doubler making for a 6:1 combined low range - I can build enough torque to break shit and I'll be going ARB when I build the front axle. You get what you pay for, and cheap knockoffs based on someone else's hard work and quality product are not really something I want to buy into. Breaking a D60 shaft sucks, but blowing a diff. sucks a lot more...
Are the torque levels reached with either locker something that could be experienced in real world situations, such as a heavy, big-block truck having wheel hop?
Hi Scott, not sure where that info has come from? ARB provide a comprehensive 2 year warranty on Air Lockers.
Hi Gabriel, have a look at the videos in our Air Locker Playlist for some examples of how Air Lockers can transform your vehicle off road. ruclips.net/p/PL2569AF298D0E97BA
If you email our Exports Department, exports@arb.com.au, they'll be able to put you in touch with your closest dealer.
is this yukon Zip Locker is the same as the G80 locker??
***** no
There is no question in my mind that ARB makes good stuff. but man I just cant foot the bill its just to much. I would love to have one for my 14 bolt and dana 60. But I don't want to take out a second mortgage on my house to get one. so for now I will be running a Detroit in the 14 bolt and a Yukon zip in the dana 60.
@MentalChainsawDude Well, you should think about gear-reduction, since, with it, you also have a TQ ratio to deal with. Say an engine puts out 270lb/ft of TQ; a 3.4:1 1st gear; 2.72:1 low range; and a 4.10:1 RP in the diff: this equates to to over 10,000lbs of force. Now, if that was distributed equally, then you would have 2500lbs of force going to each axle. Considering you have about 60%/2 going to the rear that would be 3000lbs per axle; 40%/2 to the front or 2000lbs per axle.
Can u guys do a comparison of the ARB Air locker V's The TJM Pro Locker?
thanks ARB, yall make some GREAT products!!!
D30 front D44 rear 4:56 Air Locked on chromos. Hard to beat OEM differential upgrade.
What vehicle is going to put that much torque through it anyways? seriously, id say the yukon one is good enough for most 4x4's
6500lbs to break the axle. put another axle in and do it again ? the zip went to 6700lbs before it broke . so whats up ??
I don't quite understand the disagreement over the validity of this test. Given that the shafts were identical and the test samples were random, I'd say this was valid enough proof of the failure limits of each design. Of course the testers' credibility can be called to question but so far nobody from the other camp has come up with counter evidence yet.
Quality products, only thing is... It's pretty difficult to actually put 6500 ft lbs to your axle shaft
good day arb, im from philippines, got 4x4 project suzuki long bed sammy, with all stock diff, can u give me idea about the advantage of having air lockers? i used to go with the trails with my friends ang got always trouble stiff climbs,> and do u have anu dealers here in ph? tnx
I'd like to see this test done with 2 axle shafts. Almost all the time, 1 shaft breaks and there is a lot of shockload on everything
SEND ME FREE ARBS I WILL TEST THEM!!!
cool
@magicandmischief182 well dude there's your problem... YOU DRIVE A TOYOTA!
I have an ARB locker on the front of my rig, and I totally love it!
I know you guys make quality products, but to me this video would be more credible if you did a few things. If you tested 10 of each, we could have a some more reliable #'rs. Also if you would show the ultimate yield strength of the second shaft that sheared. Who knows maybe the second shaft broke before the zip locker. One last thing, If an independent unbiased tester posted this, it would also have more credibility.
this test would have been believable if it had shown say the cross shaft breaking but not with complete failure of the shaft, side gears, pinion gears and the case. Hell you should have had it just blow up completely. Like a grenade.
I have an Air locker in my Dana 70 on my 2001 Dodge Ram with a Cummins that has plenty of modifications. Zero problems so far after 3 years.
Is the failure point of the ARB really unknown? Have you really not measured it? It seems obvious that you would try a custom axle and find out. If ended up being a massive amount more, you could advertise that. So why havent you? Or have you and are they not that far apart?
@MentalChainsawDude Also, the lower the gears in the diff or with a 4:1 T-case, then the more the TQ ratio exacerbates the problem.
I've got three of the ARB's on ex-military M35A2 with 2.5rockwell axles-- I cannot wait to put them into that big beast.
El video esta truqueado, el CASE de mi ARB "original" trono peor que el chino, y el vendedor me dijo que eso no tenia garantia por eso cambie a yukon que por lo menos me dan una buena garantia y responden por lo que le pueda pasar al locker
Either locker seems pretty strong. If you are putting that much force onto your parts, you are probably doing something wrong or stupid.
Thanks for elaborating on this even further. People are really amazed when they find out how much power is actually going to the axles.
When taking into account shock loading, from bouncing on a rock or similar, a spike load of 6500 ft.lb. is actually a realistic possibility.
Nice ...
my question is, was the axel used on the 2nd test on the arb, was it the same (twisted) axle used on the first test ? if it was, no wonder it broke, it was already twisted and weaker