I blew my wad on Sept 11th 2001. I told the people I was with who were practically chanting "We are going to war" that a war against ideas on the other side of the world would be a disaster. Literally 0% of the adults remembered the attacks against the building in the 90's when I was 10... good times
...I gotta admit, the more I hear about him, the more I'm coming to respect Lawrence. He wasn't perfect, but he was *trying*. He genuinely gave a shit.
12:16 here's the full poem: “I loved you, so I drew these tides of Men into my hands And wrote my will across the Sky and stars To earn you freedom, the seven Pillared worthy house, That your eyes might be Shining for me When we came Death seemed my servant on the Road, 'til we were near And saw you waiting: When you smiled and in sorrowful Envy he outran me And took you apart: Into his quietness Love, the way-weary, groped to your body, Our brief wage Ours for the moment Before Earth's soft hand explored your shape And the blind Worms grew fat upon Your substance Men prayed me that I set our work, The inviolate house, As a memory of you But for fit monument I shattered it, Unfinished: and now The little things creep out to patch Themselves hovels In the marred shadow Of your gift.” ― T. E. Lawrence, The Seven Pillars of Wisdom These episodes have been my first time hearing of Lawrence of Arabia, let alone his story, so reading the full poem absolutely _wrecked_ me
Wow, what a gorgeous poem... I never truly understood the appeal of poetry until today. This is so tragically sad, yet it also expresses a very profound and genuine love.
I would recommend watching the movie. It is so good at capturing the vastness of the desert. It's also cool knowing that everything on screen has to be done in real life of trickery. Not to hate on CGI but it hits differently.
Man. I do not know enough about Lawrence to come to any hard conclusions on his moralcharacter, I have a feeling he's going to get up to at least some truly awful stuff to land him a spot on this pod, but I really like the guy so far. He seems uniquely cool for a dude of his era.
I don't know they did whole piece on Beua Brummel and it was mostly about the unintended consequences of his actions. Even they qualified that he was mostly pretty cool.
@@adamantiiispencespence4012 Oh, I actually haven't gotten around to those episodes. I think I started them and got distacted and never came back around. Thanks for the recc, though I will point out When I said "of his era" I mean specifically around ww1 times. Beau Brummel is a bit before what I had in mind. I'm a lot more interested in listening to them talk about him though, I kinda was expecting those ones to be a pretty big bummer in that he intentionally used his platform to create some horrid aspect of modern society. If it was mostly unintentional he certainly sounds like a more interesting figure than I initially gave him credit for.
Robert seems to have started recently covering more people who are "bastards?" Rager than bastards. Like, people that when you look at their lives, they don't really strike you as bastards. Brummell was decreed as a bastard by the fashion community, apparently, and his episode really went to show that he was probably one of the better people of English society back then, and this episode on Lawrence seems to give a lot of context for a person who was involved in the fucking of the middle east. I love this new format, of the "bastards?", and hope they do more of it.
@@Ezekiel_Allium I get a feeling, without looking forwards, that he's more a bastard of circumstance, from the company he keeps than of what he himself does. In the heat of passion and idealism, he made friends with some of the worst fucking people and fought for causes that would, to him, unknowingly leave the world he loved in ruin. Like if he was given the ability to see what our world is like now because of his actions, he'd immediately 180 or some shit, kinda like how Einstein regrets being the progenitor of the atom bomb.
Maybe the closest i can think of 11:47 is like, capital R Romance, the chivalric kinda vibe of "my emotions are heightened and heartened by this person, whether by a brotherly or marriage shaped bond"
5:59 "Northwest China? Not Turkish!" Actually, Uyghurs ARE Turkic, Turkic people make up nearly a fifth of Iran's population, and Central Asia is basically all Turkic (for example, the nation of Turkmenistan). If nationalism is legitimate as a concept, then a pan-Turkish nationalism is as legitimate as any other. What makes Turanism absurd is the extension of pan-Turkism to also encompass broad swathes of northern Europe, most of China as well as Mongolia, Japan and Korea, and so on.
Genuinely every time I think of the Young Turks, I picture a late era Kubrick film where Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian are committing random war crimes in the Caucasus in the 1920's whilst arguing like Vladimir and Estragon from Waiting for Godot
Times like Robert coming up with the profound "engineer of war" analogy while his hair sticks up from his headphones like some sort of mad historian are why I will never stop listening to/watching this show.
Two things - first, I'm always amazed how much British history I learn here (as a Brit) - second, the hints as to why (the 'our men love dying in a ditch' but). Like the Irish famine episodes (where the same reasons were being given why not to help hungry people during COVID), the upper class who still rule the UK in practice, have not and do not give a damn, and if more people realised this the politics of the UK would be very different
Thanks to whoever reminded me about Margaret’s band Feminazgûl in the Episode 1 comments. I probably wouldn’t have checked it out if it weren’t her. But i’m glad i did-it’s really good! (Geez, i sound like Warren Beatty backstage at a Madonna show… 🙄😆)
The Viet Cong used to build bridges just do Americans had something to blow up and make them think they were accomplishing something. Then, they just crossed at other points. Time is, indeed, a flat circle.
I’m rewatching these episodes for I think the third time and I’m finding them strangely inspirational. Not in my capacity to lead a guerrilla war as a chemistry PhD student, but something else about his drive and especially his writing about his partner(?)
Fascinating how timely this is. Spend much time in engineering RUclips and some videos will show up on NEOM, Saudi Arabia's attempt at a next generation city. What only comes up sometimes is how the Saud project is really screwing over the Howeitat. Old grudges made worse in the time of Lawrence.
Being from Louisiana, and knowing some of the history of local politics, I get taken out every time you say Young Turks. Here in the boot, that phrase has a very specific history
@TheOneTrueAnthemis the Young Turks were a conservative movement in the 60's, when the Republican party needed to split it's image from Barry Goldwater. A few young upstarts, like Donald Goddamned Rumsfeld and Gerald Ford were part of that movement, and, mark my words, we're gonna see "reasonable" republicans try this shit again in the post trump years
If you mean the modern political commentators and media network... it's almost as if it's a famous concept which has been adopted by MANY political groups over the century and that the CEO of the company has Turkish heritage :D But in the podcast is dealing with the original group led by Kamail Ataturk, the father of modern Turkey (as opposed to the Ottoman Empire, the so-called 'poor man of Europe'). Nationalism in the region was key to bringing down the Ottomans.
@ he does, he’s just talking off axis into it ¯\_(ツ)_/ I don’t care. I’m a photographer. Maybe he’s trying really really hard to avoid plosives, despite using a pop filter and the least plosive inducing mic out there haha.
As sound tech with OCD, it haunts my dreams. Even worse, I didn't know about it until I read a comment spotting it out and checked the screen. Now retrospectively I know all the old episodes also had the anti-pop sideways and there it goes that facial tick in my eye along with a little bit of respect towards Robert Evans.
Prior to WWI, there were two Balkan Wars that set the stage. The First Balkan War was from late 1912-early 1913; the Second Balkan War was for a few months later in 1913. WWI began the following year. Surprised you didn’t mention these in your comments about Turkey and its relations in the neighborhood.
Being impervious to logical explanation and ignoring hard evidence, how irrational! Imagine if such people were the government! The chaos and mayhem they would create. Luckily such a outlandish event will never occur!
For some reason, whenever I hear about the film Lawrence of Arabia, my first thought is "That's the one set in a desert that people say might be the worst movie of all time. I think Dustin Hoffman was in it?" Then I have to go look it up, and realize I'm thinking of Ishtar. I have no idea why the two get mixed up in my brain. I haven't seen either one, but maybe I should watch Lawrence of Arabia some time just to stop my brain from making this weird connection!
Yep, you're thinking of Ishtar, a big part of Lawrence of Arabia's age is the fact (a lot like Citizen Kane and Gone With the Wind) that people often overlauded the film to the degree that you had to punish yourself with it's length of time to watch and develop an opinion of. It's legitimately an exercise of hyperimpressive cinematography and film photography, but David Lean wasn't trying to condense Sever Pillars of Wisdom so much as illustrate it from the third person, which is just as tedious of an exercise, and I say all of this as a big dork for Lawrence of Arabia
I got to see Lawrence of Arabia in theaters a few months ago and it was indeed a very pretty movie. I can recommend it! I went into it knowing basically nothing except it influenced Frank Herbert to write Dune, and boy howdy is that the least surprising thing after watching it.
I've been lucky enough to see both in the theater. 1. Lawrence of Arabia is one of those films that needs the big screen. If you get the chance, see it there. 2. Ishtar is silly, but not the worst film of all time. Not by a long shot. Ever see Zardoz?
@@rebeccaharvey7001, the modern "Jazz Singer" with Neil Diamond gets my vote for worst movie. Roadhouse, Roadie, Footloose, Dirty Dancing, and Flashdance aren't far behind....
5:51 Uh, Northwest Iran, Central Asia, and Northwest China may not be TurkISH, but they are absolutely TurkIC. Azerbaijanis, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Turkmens, Uzbeks, Uyghurs, etc. All of those languages and peoples are Turkic and share a common ancestry with the Turks of Turkey. They call it the "Turco-Mongol tradition" for a reason. In fact, there still exists a pan-Turkic movement to unite all these regions (including Xinjiang/East Turkestan) into a single nation. While the notion that Hungarians, Estonians, Finns, Manchus, Koreans, Japanese, etc., are also part of this ancestral tradition has been debunked, it was a very popular idea for a time. People called this grouping the "Altaic race".
You have to remember that these are Americans and they only know nationalities that either a) they have warred against or b) they have immigrant-run restaurants prominently advertising their cuisine.
PS I have met Estonians, Finns, Hungarians, Koreans and Japanese. I may have met a Manchu or two. I've even met Finns in Japan. They different. Altaic language hypotheses are rubbish.
@johnmckiernan2176 ...that's what I said? Also, I'm an American (of Korean descent) myself. Don't assume it's all or only Americans who're ignorant. Most humans in general care very little for what happens outside their own small communities and limited experiences.
@@sirhenrymorgan1187you’re right but I think they were pointing out that these groups weren’t Turkish not that they weren’t in the wider Turkic family. I think the problem with that Turkish pan nationalism is the fact that Kazakhs etc identify as Kazakh not Turkish and that Turkish culture is quite different now due to its blending with Anatolian and Greek culture
It seems entirely reasonable to assume that Lawrence, who grew up with three brothers and went to gender-segregated schools, could form a close attachment to a male teenager that was brotherly, rather than sexual, assuming that he was either asexual or hetero but unexpressed.
The Altaic language family is no longer considered likely by most linguists. Similarities between Mongolic, Tungusic, and Turkic families are more often explained by some commination of linguistic cross pollination and coincidence. As far as I'm aware, even fewer people include Japanese and Korean languages in the alleged Altaic family. Many people in Central Asia speak Turkic languages, but that doesn't necessarily make them part of one Turkish people. Many people speak Indo-european languages like English, but it does not follow that they share a single culture or should be part of a single nation.
I'm fairly certain Lawrence was in a romantic relationship with the Daum kid, just not sexually. There are plenty of folks out there who love their spouse platonically.
I would describe Sam and Frodo as having a QPP. A close relationship that is not romantic but is more than just friendship. Like I am biromantic ace, and seperate from my romantic relationship with my partner, I also had a QPP with an AroAce person for years (we are still friends, but a QPP is hard to maintain long distance, and they moved to a different state)
50:00 Interesting. The vietcong and mihn certainly do not seem to have been casualty averse. I have enough cheek to both provide evidence for Lawrence's theoery and to disagee with it. Russia currently has a whole separate arm of service devoted to defending their railway, a significant diversion of resources. On the other hand, that railway and several others of note in the world did allow their builders to dominate their regions. Both the Ottoman's general decline and the sheer size of their empire and its multiple internal conflicts and Britain's conventional force made Lawrence's strategy possible. Having no such luxuries, both, say, the Commanche and Vietnamese had to resort to costlier versions of this strategy. There is also the problem that unconventional war creates, that currently serving US Lt. Colonel Nicolas Moran once pointed out. He said something like, it might not be best to consider winning to be letting an enemy run all over your territory and people. I this points to the fact that an unconventional strategy only succeeds on the sufferance of the greater power and the suffering of the average civilian. When faced with an unconventional enemy, unscrupulous powers will just kill everybody. At a certain point, you, the guerrilla, have to find a way to prevent that. 1:00:00 These are the kinds of personal "facts" that normally figure in your accounts of bastards.
I love how there's this idea that someone will not be of use in a war ecause they've never fired a rifle. Something that 90% of military recruits have in common with whatever "rabble" is the focus of the comment. Takes 4-6 months to become a marksman. Seems like it's not that big a deal.
Asexuality is a spectrum! Lawerence very well could have been emotionally in love with his partner but never experienced a physical need for sex. For those who don’t know, asexuals can still have romantic relationships, as well as enjoy sex without a physical “craving” for it. Source - I am an asexual person.
Bovine excrement: Lawrence's guerrilla war ( supported by British, Australian aircraft and Allied special units including armoured cars ) was nothing new. The Spanish did the same against the French in 1808-1813 ) and the Boers against the British beween 1900 and 1902.
Sorry, guys, but as far as the origin of the Turkic peoples is concerned, the Young Turks were more correct than you are. Modern Turks - that is, those who live or have recent ancestry in the modern country of Turkey - likely have mixed genetic heritages; but Turkish is part of an Asian language group called Altaic. Google “Turkic peoples” to get a map. Current thinking is that they did, indeed, originate in Mongolia and nearby regions, and migrated west over millennia. From linguistics to genetics, the evidence for the Young Turks’ claims has strengthened over time.
My toxic masculine trait is the unfounded belief that if another world war broke out I'd be a strategic genius
I blew my wad on Sept 11th 2001. I told the people I was with who were practically chanting "We are going to war" that a war against ideas on the other side of the world would be a disaster.
Literally 0% of the adults remembered the attacks against the building in the 90's when I was 10... good times
...I gotta admit, the more I hear about him, the more I'm coming to respect Lawrence. He wasn't perfect, but he was *trying*. He genuinely gave a shit.
Margaret has to be among the most well informed guests on the show
Very true! I notice this on many of her guest spots. She's great!
"I've killed 75 men in hand to hand combat."
"How many of them were Turks?"
"I said I killed 75 *men."*
Absolutely stealing that for my next dnd character
12:16 here's the full poem:
“I loved you, so I drew these tides of
Men into my hands
And wrote my will across the
Sky and stars
To earn you freedom, the seven
Pillared worthy house,
That your eyes might be
Shining for me
When we came
Death seemed my servant on the
Road, 'til we were near
And saw you waiting:
When you smiled and in sorrowful
Envy he outran me
And took you apart:
Into his quietness
Love, the way-weary, groped to your body,
Our brief wage
Ours for the moment
Before Earth's soft hand explored your shape
And the blind
Worms grew fat upon
Your substance
Men prayed me that I set our work,
The inviolate house,
As a memory of you
But for fit monument I shattered it,
Unfinished: and now
The little things creep out to patch
Themselves hovels
In the marred shadow
Of your gift.”
― T. E. Lawrence, The Seven Pillars of Wisdom
These episodes have been my first time hearing of Lawrence of Arabia, let alone his story, so reading the full poem absolutely _wrecked_ me
God that got me a bit choked up, Robert is write he is beyond a good writer
He really loved him 😢
Wow, what a gorgeous poem... I never truly understood the appeal of poetry until today. This is so tragically sad, yet it also expresses a very profound and genuine love.
“Before Earth’s soft hand explored your shape, and the blind worms grew fat upon your substance”
RIP Lawrence you would’ve loved The Microphones
I would recommend watching the movie. It is so good at capturing the vastness of the desert. It's also cool knowing that everything on screen has to be done in real life of trickery. Not to hate on CGI but it hits differently.
Sad trombones at 2:00 got an actual lol
Same
Man. I do not know enough about Lawrence to come to any hard conclusions on his moralcharacter, I have a feeling he's going to get up to at least some truly awful stuff to land him a spot on this pod, but I really like the guy so far. He seems uniquely cool for a dude of his era.
I don't know they did whole piece on Beua Brummel and it was mostly about the unintended consequences of his actions. Even they qualified that he was mostly pretty cool.
@@adamantiiispencespence4012 Oh, I actually haven't gotten around to those episodes. I think I started them and got distacted and never came back around. Thanks for the recc, though I will point out When I said "of his era" I mean specifically around ww1 times. Beau Brummel is a bit before what I had in mind. I'm a lot more interested in listening to them talk about him though, I kinda was expecting those ones to be a pretty big bummer in that he intentionally used his platform to create some horrid aspect of modern society. If it was mostly unintentional he certainly sounds like a more interesting figure than I initially gave him credit for.
Robert seems to have started recently covering more people who are "bastards?" Rager than bastards.
Like, people that when you look at their lives, they don't really strike you as bastards.
Brummell was decreed as a bastard by the fashion community, apparently, and his episode really went to show that he was probably one of the better people of English society back then, and this episode on Lawrence seems to give a lot of context for a person who was involved in the fucking of the middle east.
I love this new format, of the "bastards?", and hope they do more of it.
@@Ezekiel_Allium I get a feeling, without looking forwards, that he's more a bastard of circumstance, from the company he keeps than of what he himself does. In the heat of passion and idealism, he made friends with some of the worst fucking people and fought for causes that would, to him, unknowingly leave the world he loved in ruin. Like if he was given the ability to see what our world is like now because of his actions, he'd immediately 180 or some shit, kinda like how Einstein regrets being the progenitor of the atom bomb.
Finally seeing Anderson is the best part of these video episodes.
Anyone who's got a problem with the "Dub-Dub Dos, Dub-Dub Uno" shtick has got a problem with me.
Quit yer chirpin.
These. These are my people.
Maybe the closest i can think of 11:47 is like, capital R Romance, the chivalric kinda vibe of "my emotions are heightened and heartened by this person, whether by a brotherly or marriage shaped bond"
5:59 "Northwest China? Not Turkish!" Actually, Uyghurs ARE Turkic, Turkic people make up nearly a fifth of Iran's population, and Central Asia is basically all Turkic (for example, the nation of Turkmenistan). If nationalism is legitimate as a concept, then a pan-Turkish nationalism is as legitimate as any other. What makes Turanism absurd is the extension of pan-Turkism to also encompass broad swathes of northern Europe, most of China as well as Mongolia, Japan and Korea, and so on.
But Ghengis Khan! Imperial legacy!
Hope you guys are doing well after the bad thing
Which one? 😩
@@cringlator the one where they discover they live in a delusional social media bubble and the majority decided to vote for a second season.
@@sighssssssyou mean when the horde of morons opted to kill the world?
@@sighsssssswhat an absolute @$$hat thing to say.
@@sighssssssthinking better of our fellow Americans is/was delusional?
45:15 I love Robert’s British accent here. “They’re scared of artillery!”
Just over two minutes in, and already sad trombones.
Genuinely every time I think of the Young Turks, I picture a late era Kubrick film where Cenk Uygur and Ana Kasparian are committing random war crimes in the Caucasus in the 1920's whilst arguing like Vladimir and Estragon from Waiting for Godot
I’d watch that
Times like Robert coming up with the profound "engineer of war" analogy while his hair sticks up from his headphones like some sort of mad historian are why I will never stop listening to/watching this show.
All Im saying is, the yt btb community is the best one
only if we exclude the discord. the discord is peak
Two things
- first, I'm always amazed how much British history I learn here (as a Brit)
- second, the hints as to why (the 'our men love dying in a ditch' but). Like the Irish famine episodes (where the same reasons were being given why not to help hungry people during COVID), the upper class who still rule the UK in practice, have not and do not give a damn, and if more people realised this the politics of the UK would be very different
Today, Amanda Carpenter on The Bulwark said she'd do an episode with you Robert, and I think that would be dope.
So, when does the being of light take office?
Thanks to whoever reminded me about Margaret’s band Feminazgûl in the Episode 1 comments.
I probably wouldn’t have checked it out if it weren’t her. But i’m glad i did-it’s really good!
(Geez, i sound like Warren Beatty backstage at a Madonna show… 🙄😆)
I love the name. Will have to check it out.
@@mxpants4884 Agreed, that name kicks SERIOUS ass. Also going to have to check them out on the basis of the name alone.
Why did chumba casino abandon us in our time of need
What's Chumba Casino?
@@MaterialMenteNo one of the products and services that supports this podcast 😅
The Viet Cong used to build bridges just do Americans had something to blow up and make them think they were accomplishing something. Then, they just crossed at other points. Time is, indeed, a flat circle.
Finally we get the Dune episode our funny Sardaukar doggies were alluding to all along!
I’m rewatching these episodes for I think the third time and I’m finding them strangely inspirational. Not in my capacity to lead a guerrilla war as a chemistry PhD student, but something else about his drive and especially his writing about his partner(?)
11:10 some folk I know use queerplatonic in this way
Lawrence is one of my namesakes, thanks for the second episode so quickly. Its kinda funny to see whats in a name.
Fascinating how timely this is. Spend much time in engineering RUclips and some videos will show up on NEOM, Saudi Arabia's attempt at a next generation city. What only comes up sometimes is how the Saud project is really screwing over the Howeitat. Old grudges made worse in the time of Lawrence.
Cool story, needed more Dune references.
Being from Louisiana, and knowing some of the history of local politics, I get taken out every time you say Young Turks. Here in the boot, that phrase has a very specific history
Pls elaborate
@TheOneTrueAnthemis the Young Turks were a conservative movement in the 60's, when the Republican party needed to split it's image from Barry Goldwater. A few young upstarts, like Donald Goddamned Rumsfeld and Gerald Ford were part of that movement, and, mark my words, we're gonna see "reasonable" republicans try this shit again in the post trump years
If you mean the modern political commentators and media network... it's almost as if it's a famous concept which has been adopted by MANY political groups over the century and that the CEO of the company has Turkish heritage :D
But in the podcast is dealing with the original group led by Kamail Ataturk, the father of modern Turkey (as opposed to the Ottoman Empire, the so-called 'poor man of Europe'). Nationalism in the region was key to bringing down the Ottomans.
Which unfortunately has nothing to do with the Turkish students studying petroleum geology at UNO
does Robert have his mic like that just to mess with audio people? I feel like the answer must be yes
What do you mean?
He sounds great what are you talking about?
@ he does, he’s just talking off axis into it ¯\_(ツ)_/ I don’t care. I’m a photographer. Maybe he’s trying really really hard to avoid plosives, despite using a pop filter and the least plosive inducing mic out there haha.
@@benjhaisch The pop filter ain't doing much being positioned like that.
As sound tech with OCD, it haunts my dreams.
Even worse, I didn't know about it until I read a comment spotting it out and checked the screen. Now retrospectively I know all the old episodes also had the anti-pop sideways and there it goes that facial tick in my eye along with a little bit of respect towards Robert Evans.
Prior to WWI, there were two Balkan Wars that set the stage. The First Balkan War was from late 1912-early 1913; the Second Balkan War was for a few months later in 1913. WWI began the following year. Surprised you didn’t mention these in your comments about Turkey and its relations in the neighborhood.
Needed This!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Being impervious to logical explanation and ignoring hard evidence, how irrational! Imagine if such people were the government! The chaos and mayhem they would create. Luckily such a outlandish event will never occur!
For some reason, whenever I hear about the film Lawrence of Arabia, my first thought is "That's the one set in a desert that people say might be the worst movie of all time. I think Dustin Hoffman was in it?" Then I have to go look it up, and realize I'm thinking of Ishtar. I have no idea why the two get mixed up in my brain. I haven't seen either one, but maybe I should watch Lawrence of Arabia some time just to stop my brain from making this weird connection!
Yep, you're thinking of Ishtar, a big part of Lawrence of Arabia's age is the fact (a lot like Citizen Kane and Gone With the Wind) that people often overlauded the film to the degree that you had to punish yourself with it's length of time to watch and develop an opinion of. It's legitimately an exercise of hyperimpressive cinematography and film photography, but David Lean wasn't trying to condense Sever Pillars of Wisdom so much as illustrate it from the third person, which is just as tedious of an exercise, and I say all of this as a big dork for Lawrence of Arabia
I got to see Lawrence of Arabia in theaters a few months ago and it was indeed a very pretty movie. I can recommend it! I went into it knowing basically nothing except it influenced Frank Herbert to write Dune, and boy howdy is that the least surprising thing after watching it.
I've been lucky enough to see both in the theater.
1. Lawrence of Arabia is one of those films that needs the big screen. If you get the chance, see it there.
2. Ishtar is silly, but not the worst film of all time. Not by a long shot. Ever see Zardoz?
@@rebeccaharvey7001, the modern "Jazz Singer" with Neil Diamond gets my vote for worst movie. Roadhouse, Roadie, Footloose, Dirty Dancing, and Flashdance aren't far behind....
Aye aye. Seven Pillars of Wisdom. Gotcha. Seems like a useful read to prepare for the next 4+ years.
Seven Pillars of Wisdom, not islam lol
5:51 Uh, Northwest Iran, Central Asia, and Northwest China may not be TurkISH, but they are absolutely TurkIC. Azerbaijanis, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Turkmens, Uzbeks, Uyghurs, etc. All of those languages and peoples are Turkic and share a common ancestry with the Turks of Turkey. They call it the "Turco-Mongol tradition" for a reason. In fact, there still exists a pan-Turkic movement to unite all these regions (including Xinjiang/East Turkestan) into a single nation.
While the notion that Hungarians, Estonians, Finns, Manchus, Koreans, Japanese, etc., are also part of this ancestral tradition has been debunked, it was a very popular idea for a time. People called this grouping the "Altaic race".
You have to remember that these are Americans and they only know nationalities that either a) they have warred against or b) they have immigrant-run restaurants prominently advertising their cuisine.
PS I have met Estonians, Finns, Hungarians, Koreans and Japanese. I may have met a Manchu or two. I've even met Finns in Japan. They different. Altaic language hypotheses are rubbish.
@johnmckiernan2176 ...that's what I said? Also, I'm an American (of Korean descent) myself. Don't assume it's all or only Americans who're ignorant. Most humans in general care very little for what happens outside their own small communities and limited experiences.
@@sirhenrymorgan1187you’re right but I think they were pointing out that these groups weren’t Turkish not that they weren’t in the wider Turkic family. I think the problem with that Turkish pan nationalism is the fact that Kazakhs etc identify as Kazakh not Turkish and that Turkish culture is quite different now due to its blending with Anatolian and Greek culture
tldr; 🤓
What an incredible episode
11:14 "the modern world has no way of understanding..."
you're describing ride or die homies
Oof. The next 4 years are not gonna be chill 😅
I'm so scared for part 3...
It seems entirely reasonable to assume that Lawrence, who grew up with three brothers and went to gender-segregated schools, could form a close attachment to a male teenager that was brotherly, rather than sexual, assuming that he was either asexual or hetero but unexpressed.
And he *is* British... you know what *they're* like, lol.
Americans love to assume everyone in history had a cocktail in their mouth.
This guest is a lot better than the guest you had for the RFK Jr episodes. She's informed and asking good questions.
One thing I have to know as we're dealing with dub dub uno imperialist history: are there any mountains to climb in the region?
Anderson looks tired from all her campaigning to be president 🥺
The Altaic language family is no longer considered likely by most linguists. Similarities between Mongolic, Tungusic, and Turkic families are more often explained by some commination of linguistic cross pollination and coincidence. As far as I'm aware, even fewer people include Japanese and Korean languages in the alleged Altaic family. Many people in Central Asia speak Turkic languages, but that doesn't necessarily make them part of one Turkish people. Many people speak Indo-european languages like English, but it does not follow that they share a single culture or should be part of a single nation.
Weird. This was supposed to be a reply to another comment misunderstanding the linguistic situation.
Lawrence played a significant role in establishing Jordan 🇯🇴
Lawrence was doing so well until the *Insert Name Here* Imperial War Machine got involved.
Robert's French laugh belongs in a BtB out of context compilation.
Sun Tzu be like "hmmmm you should deceive your enemies 🧠 "
I'm fairly certain Lawrence was in a romantic relationship with the Daum kid, just not sexually. There are plenty of folks out there who love their spouse platonically.
I would describe Sam and Frodo as having a QPP. A close relationship that is not romantic but is more than just friendship. Like I am biromantic ace, and seperate from my romantic relationship with my partner, I also had a QPP with an AroAce person for years (we are still friends, but a QPP is hard to maintain long distance, and they moved to a different state)
50:00 Interesting. The vietcong and mihn certainly do not seem to have been casualty averse.
I have enough cheek to both provide evidence for Lawrence's theoery and to disagee with it. Russia currently has a whole separate arm of service devoted to defending their railway, a significant diversion of resources.
On the other hand, that railway and several others of note in the world did allow their builders to dominate their regions.
Both the Ottoman's general decline and the sheer size of their empire and its multiple internal conflicts and Britain's conventional force made Lawrence's strategy possible.
Having no such luxuries, both, say, the Commanche and Vietnamese had to resort to costlier versions of this strategy.
There is also the problem that unconventional war creates, that currently serving US Lt. Colonel Nicolas Moran once pointed out.
He said something like, it might not be best to consider winning to be letting an enemy run all over your territory and people.
I this points to the fact that an unconventional strategy only succeeds on the sufferance of the greater power and the suffering of the average civilian.
When faced with an unconventional enemy, unscrupulous powers will just kill everybody.
At a certain point, you, the guerrilla, have to find a way to prevent that.
1:00:00 These are the kinds of personal "facts" that normally figure in your accounts of bastards.
Tbf a lot of Central Asia is made up of Turkic peoples. But they’re certainly not a cultural monolith that includes the Turks in Anatolia.
”Elämme turaniassa!” - a Finnish political scholar
1:00:15 This guy sounds fucking awesome
I love how there's this idea that someone will not be of use in a war ecause they've never fired a rifle. Something that 90% of military recruits have in common with whatever "rabble" is the focus of the comment. Takes 4-6 months to become a marksman. Seems like it's not that big a deal.
Main speaker spunds like Jimmy Doee
"All flanks, no front." Just how I like my women.
1:04:20 🎉
Let's gooo
President Anderson would be the bestest president
Insurance companies! Great for your heart
For my 40K fans, classic MSU strategy
Asexuality is a spectrum! Lawerence very well could have been emotionally in love with his partner but never experienced a physical need for sex. For those who don’t know, asexuals can still have romantic relationships, as well as enjoy sex without a physical “craving” for it. Source - I am an asexual person.
No Fear™
I thought Ulysses Grant did this according to Robert?
Probably a difference between modern industrial war and modern guerilla war
Grant did the opposite, he just fed tons of men to gunfire.
35:07 caucasity
Bovine excrement: Lawrence's guerrilla war ( supported by British, Australian aircraft and Allied special units including armoured cars ) was nothing new. The Spanish did the same against the French in 1808-1813 ) and the Boers against the British beween 1900 and 1902.
As upvote #667, I wonder if their's a plateau in the likes over time at... certain numbers.
I usually just listen to the podcast but I figure if I watch some of these youtube will stop recommending me right wing grifters
All flanks, no fronts
"The front can't fall off if there is no front." - T.E. Lawrence, probably (not really)
Turkles All The Way Down
Sorry, guys, but as far as the origin of the Turkic peoples is concerned, the Young Turks were more correct than you are. Modern Turks - that is, those who live or have recent ancestry in the modern country of Turkey - likely have mixed genetic heritages; but Turkish is part of an Asian language group called Altaic. Google “Turkic peoples” to get a map. Current thinking is that they did, indeed, originate in Mongolia and nearby regions, and migrated west over millennia. From linguistics to genetics, the evidence for the Young Turks’ claims has strengthened over time.