ruclips.net/video/P-W42tk-fWc/видео.html Excellent video on the subject, skip to 5:40 if TLDR. Because of how homes are wired, in a non-isolated device like this, AC current could find a path through ground to neutral. This could happen if you plugged this lantern into something with a ground chassis (like a PC) or if you touch something grounded (like a faucet or gas pipe)
Big Clive warned us of this. The worst part is if the cord has a non polarized plug then the shield would be referenced to live if plugged in the wrong way.
Never ceases to amaze me as people will wrap their $1000.00 phone in near bullet proof cases and just willy nilly jab the charge cable into any old hole. That print of the processor just giving a shout out to CuriousMarc and his visit to Antoine's Home Lab. Not quite the same but similar as he decaps chips and images them.
So miners used to have the Davy safety lamp so they didn’t explode. Is this the Heck safety lamp, a sort of modern version. I think Big Clive took a pink one apart and was equally horrified by its innards. It didn’t go back together again after.
My in-laws got the same crap as a present. I took out the mains charging and replaced it with a usb charger and single Li-Ion 18650 cell. Works great now. Mine has a disco ball rotating light thing on top instead of the solar panel.
Saw the title thought that's a Big Clive reference, was disappointed it wasn't 😟 Ben check out Big Clive, you could add another accent to your repertoire 😁
Houses in Australia tend to have an earth rod driven into the ground. But I found that in the UK, at least in my house, and according to an elecchicken, earth is bonded to neutral before the fuse box, and then earthed externally to the property.
Here earth is bonded to neutral in the fuse box, then goes to ground rod/pipes. Normally the electricity will return to neutral (easier path) but if something shorts that's why there's an earth path.
Could you have used the switch in the light and make it so when the light is closed it charges stuff but when the light is open it doesn't? That way you don't need any external facing switches?
I have two lights that were built this way, a flashlight and a light bar as seen on TV. Both lights had the same shoddy wiring on the AC side. I made them "safe" by rewiring them and removing all the AC mains stuff and just using USB to charge them. For the light bar I replaced the two 4 volt SLA batteries with a small two cell power bank like the ones with removable covers so you can add your own 18650 cells and wired them so the light takes the power right from the batteries and not go through the USB step up circuit. I had to replace the SLA cell in the flashlight with three NiMH AAA cells and so far it works. Light bar is as bright as the day I bought it.
High voltage + high series impedance is similar to current source. The cap does that with no heat dissipation. I kinda like those power supplies, just keep them away from triac-dimmered loads.
I bought a few of those for $10 each at a convenience store. They didn’t have the solar or the USB, but they’ve come in handy when the power goes out. Has a strong magnet on the bottom so you can stick high up in your fridge and light the room.
this was an excellent opportunity to add a speaker and that echo input, into the lamp. I’ve got a similarly-looking one (black), but it lacks all the inputs and solar and it takes button-cell batteries and has magnets on the bottom.
FUN FACT: The outer casing on USB ports, by default (aka not in a circuit) are *_NOT_* always connected to ground in every part. They end up being so, only thanks to the circuit design. In all the salvaged USB-A ports I have, even the remote cable connected ones from computer cases, do *not* have continuity between their Ground Pin and said outer case/frame. I don't know if micro ports share this trait but I'd imagine so, purely from an isolation standpoint, where the chassis may be grounded to the literal earth, whereas the USB ground is only a floating "common 0V" connection.
Why are you driving the LEDs from the voltage booster? Can't the bare cell power them directly? And thereby both, the USB and the light? If that's not how the original circuit did it, why couldn't you do it now? Greetz from an old rgvc poster back in the day!
They make super cheap AA only versions of these. I got a couple for donating blood. The LEDs are that sickly cold blue and have no diffusion so they're better at blinding people than illuminating. The sliding mechanism is satisfying though.
I would love to see a Ben Heck store where we could buy things like kits you make for the conventions those of us like myself cannot go to can order one and assemble it and pretend we got to attend a class you did, personally I would love to make the z80 badge.
i dont know which is worse, the fact you used mains without thinking about it or the fact i heard it and didnt think twice about it because most of the good electronics channels are across the pond or are somewhere upside down full of kangaroos and dingos?
@@BenHeckHacks Ah, a Focus on stilts. You gotta do the senior citizen trick and tie a ribbon onto your antenna so you can find it in the sea of Crossover. Tbh the new Escapes are pretty fair for the money.
So, as soon as we get the lantern down, I wonder i it's going to be as bad as several Big Clive has found, which have case pats that are live at main voltage when using the mains charging connector.
Recently flogged my 2003 Peugeot coupe cabriolet for £200 to the guy I bought it from for £1700 back in 2016 and got a 2015 shitbox for over £7000. Feel you, Ben. It was coming up anyway and after all the corrosion showed up on the mandatory annual inspection I thought, nope!
You should have connected D+ and D- (data) between USB A and the board. Quick Charge uses these lines to negotiate voltage. I believe USB Battery Charge informs about available amperage by resistor between data lines and the charged device detects it.
I have a lantern identical to that except it is just AA battery powered, No solar, USB, or AC. It also has a magnetic base so you can stick it to things.
I got a similar one for Christmas one year but the led inside is the full length of the housing. If you've ever watched the Transformers animated movie, you will know that we call that lantern, the matrix lol
Some of these lamps have a warning that says not to charge with A.C. and charge a phone with a usb at the same time. If your phone has a metal case it will be referenced to A.C.
I'm confused how you would get shocked from the ground. There should never be current on the ground, unless something is wrong, in which case it will trip the breaker in the panel.
What ground? There is no ground here, only live and neutral, and I highly doubt the plug is polarized for this thing. There's a ground in the PC, but not in the lamp so you could connect live directly to ground through the lamp.
Don't confuse the USB ground with the AC neutral (which it's directly connected to in the lamp). Maybe the AC power cord that should come with the light is polarized, maybe not. Even if it is, those of us who live in areas where many buildings still have cloth-covered wires in the walls from the 1920s-40s often find they've been wired backwards when a 3 prong outlet was replaced at a later date. Or worse it's still the original 2 prong unpolarized outlet. Also, there are 240V plugs that can be inserted backwards in some outlets. It's more common than you might think.
“Zoe: You paid money for this, sir? On purpose? Mal: She won't be winning any beauty contests anytime soon, but she is solid. Ship like this, be with you 'til the day you die. Zoe: Cause it's a death trap. Mal: That's not- You are very much lacking in imagination.”
After watching multiple times and watching the video linked by Ben I still don't follow how connecting it to ground via an audio cable would open up for a shock risk as opposed to immediately tripping the GFCI.
I have one of those! Well, not really, it looks the same, but it runs off of AAA batteries, is far better at lighting, and has a flame glow effect that activates on the second slide. Probably cheaper.
1:20 how to lose your lantern in the woods one if by LAN, two if by xBee 8:20 wow what an interesting design, thought it would be a single big bulb 11:04 late caption? oh nvm 17:20 what is this foreshadowing 21:20 quality 22:00 that's hilarious bunch of garbage
you should sing other 80's movie themes and not just Jurassic Park. maybe Back To The Future? Maybe Robocop? Personally, i sing the theme to Terminator when i'm soldering
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ruclips.net/video/P-W42tk-fWc/видео.html Excellent video on the subject, skip to 5:40 if TLDR. Because of how homes are wired, in a non-isolated device like this, AC current could find a path through ground to neutral. This could happen if you plugged this lantern into something with a ground chassis (like a PC) or if you touch something grounded (like a faucet or gas pipe)
Nice - Big Clive's death-Dalek camping light
Big Clive warned us of this. The worst part is if the cord has a non polarized plug then the shield would be referenced to live if plugged in the wrong way.
Big Clive did a video on a similar "UK version" on one of these ("Death Dalek")
big clive did a teardown of one of those lamps, he called it the "Dalek Death Lamp" glad to see someone render one inert (safe)
The capacitive dropper is OK in products that have no exposed metal and is sealed from the consumer. Some led light bulbs use them.
BigClive has covered a few of these. He calls 'em "dalek death lamps" or something.
Gay Death Dalek lamps
Big Clive made a video about that lamp type a few years ago.
Yeap! He called it the Death Dalek. :D
Simpsons already did it!
Genius making it photovoltaic-powered, since it is a lamp. It can power itself!
I got Big Clive Dalek death lamp flashbacks.
Indeed! First thing that popped into my head.
Oh, that's quite DANGEROUS...okay...carry on...keep killing humans...
I had a Focus wagon for about 9 years, it was great. I moved houses 2 times with that thing... had more storage capacity than most pickup beds.
Wagons are awesome. I'm gonna be big sad when my Outback bites the dust.
Ten reg. Focus blows cock. They rust out like a hog and something breaks daily.
The usb port is an output not an input. Big Clive did a video on this device
This channel has a distinct lack of big clive impressions
Gotta love the death-daleks.
Never ceases to amaze me as people will wrap their $1000.00 phone in near bullet proof cases and just willy nilly jab the charge cable into any old hole.
That print of the processor just giving a shout out to CuriousMarc and his visit to Antoine's Home Lab. Not quite the same but similar as he decaps chips and images them.
So miners used to have the Davy safety lamp so they didn’t explode. Is this the Heck safety lamp, a sort of modern version.
I think Big Clive took a pink one apart and was equally horrified by its innards. It didn’t go back together again after.
My in-laws got the same crap as a present. I took out the mains charging and replaced it with a usb charger and single Li-Ion 18650 cell. Works great now. Mine has a disco ball rotating light thing on top instead of the solar panel.
Oh this is just like lamp Big Clive took apart, “live at mains”
Big Clive did a video on those lights, I toll Clive about your boom box video and sent him the link to it. Clive has his Will It Kill You videos
That lantern light tour of Ben’s house… easily the worst production quality of any youtube video I’ve seen in a long time. I loved every second of it!
"Define bad Egon" 😂 Loved that reference!
You might safely charge this lantern without opening it. Just use lower voltage higher frequency AC to get through the "dropper capacitor".
Saw the title thought that's a Big Clive reference, was disappointed it wasn't 😟
Ben check out Big Clive, you could add another accent to your repertoire 😁
Houses in Australia tend to have an earth rod driven into the ground.
But I found that in the UK, at least in my house, and according to an elecchicken, earth is bonded to neutral before the fuse box, and then earthed externally to the property.
Here earth is bonded to neutral in the fuse box, then goes to ground rod/pipes. Normally the electricity will return to neutral (easier path) but if something shorts that's why there's an earth path.
@@BenHeckHacks how much $$$ would a handheld GameCube with actual disc-drive in Bud the Cat Orange , properly cost me BEN ? ? ?😸 ?
Could you have used the switch in the light and make it so when the light is closed it charges stuff but when the light is open it doesn't? That way you don't need any external facing switches?
Yeah, you could have, but that would mean having to take the whole thing apart again, and that's just too much work.
I have two lights that were built this way, a flashlight and a light bar as seen on TV. Both lights had the same shoddy wiring on the AC side. I made them "safe" by rewiring them and removing all the AC mains stuff and just using USB to charge them. For the light bar I replaced the two 4 volt SLA batteries with a small two cell power bank like the ones with removable covers so you can add your own 18650 cells and wired them so the light takes the power right from the batteries and not go through the USB step up circuit. I had to replace the SLA cell in the flashlight with three NiMH AAA cells and so far it works. Light bar is as bright as the day I bought it.
Bud: "I'm trying to sleep human. When it's time for you to serve me I will let you know."
Oh cool, an American variant of the Dalek Death Lantern.
The best part was the after-dark home tour. lmao
High voltage + high series impedance is similar to current source. The cap does that with no heat dissipation. I kinda like those power supplies, just keep them away from triac-dimmered loads.
the "mains" comes from watching too much Big Clive i think
I bought a few of those for $10 each at a convenience store. They didn’t have the solar or the USB, but they’ve come in handy when the power goes out. Has a strong magnet on the bottom so you can stick high up in your fridge and light the room.
Wouldn't just fill up the AC plug with hot glue making it useless also make this safe and keep all the features you got in the end of this video?
Wow..I didn't realize how crappy those lights are! I'm intrigued to start checking the crap I see out there...Thanks Ben!
That's pretty funny you giving up your adafruit gear. I'm a big fan of the random tour in the dark at the end hahaha
this was an excellent opportunity to add a speaker and that echo input, into the lamp. I’ve got a similarly-looking one (black), but it lacks all the inputs and solar and it takes button-cell batteries and has magnets on the bottom.
in hindsight, adding the echo would’ve been impractical, as you need the system to be powered down, while not being operated.
I didn’t skip the awful multi-minute ads to contribute to the video paying for your power boost, haha!
Oh good. I can afford to eat this week :)
@@BenHeckHacks so....ramen again? ;) @adsense jokes
A fun USB device. The ground is at least 70vac above earth. Plugging anything in is a shocking experience.
I thought I'd seen the last of the BigCliveDotCom death-Dalek lamp.
LOL I loved the poorly lit death lantern house tour! Bud looked at you like "WTH.. Im trying to sleep" Great video as usual.
"Holy crap, 1 amp?!?" That _does_ seem like an appropriate reaction to an amp for a lantern...
FUN FACT: The outer casing on USB ports, by default (aka not in a circuit) are *_NOT_* always connected to ground in every part. They end up being so, only thanks to the circuit design.
In all the salvaged USB-A ports I have, even the remote cable connected ones from computer cases, do *not* have continuity between their Ground Pin and said outer case/frame.
I don't know if micro ports share this trait but I'd imagine so, purely from an isolation standpoint, where the chassis may be grounded to the literal earth, whereas the USB ground is only a floating "common 0V" connection.
Thanks for the awesome video.
Why are you driving the LEDs from the voltage booster? Can't the bare cell power them directly? And thereby both, the USB and the light? If that's not how the original circuit did it, why couldn't you do it now?
Greetz from an old rgvc poster back in the day!
They make super cheap AA only versions of these. I got a couple for donating blood. The LEDs are that sickly cold blue and have no diffusion so they're better at blinding people than illuminating. The sliding mechanism is satisfying though.
should have done a musty restore video on the snow blower
The Office and Parks N Rec were the best NBC shows of their time lol
I would love to see a Ben Heck store where we could buy things like kits you make for the conventions those of us like myself cannot go to can order one and assemble it and pretend we got to attend a class you did, personally I would love to make the z80 badge.
i dont know which is worse, the fact you used mains without thinking about it or the fact i heard it and didnt think twice about it because most of the good electronics channels are across the pond or are somewhere upside down full of kangaroos and dingos?
DaFuq did you just do at 15:19?
I have one of those lamps with AA battery power only definitely gonna try this it always seemed like a good idea it's not a bad lamp
But WHAT did you replace your war wagon with?
Ford Pinto
A boring Ford Escape. Now I have an even harder time finding where I parked.
@@BenHeckHacks Ah, a Focus on stilts. You gotta do the senior citizen trick and tie a ribbon onto your antenna so you can find it in the sea of Crossover. Tbh the new Escapes are pretty fair for the money.
So, as soon as we get the lantern down, I wonder i it's going to be as bad as several Big Clive has found, which have case pats that are live at main voltage when using the mains charging connector.
I'm a little sad you didn't re add the solar to the lamp, but happy to see Bud.
What did you replace the Focus with? Small wagons are hard to find anymore.
Hello Ben. Greetings from Brazil!
Recently flogged my 2003 Peugeot coupe cabriolet for £200 to the guy I bought it from for £1700 back in 2016 and got a 2015 shitbox for over £7000. Feel you, Ben. It was coming up anyway and after all the corrosion showed up on the mandatory annual inspection I thought, nope!
You should have connected D+ and D- (data) between USB A and the board. Quick Charge uses these lines to negotiate voltage. I believe USB Battery Charge informs about available amperage by resistor between data lines and the charged device detects it.
BigCliveDotCom did a vid on this a while back. Yeah... Deathlight!
A video? More like five.
It's the death derlek, bigclive named it so.
I have a lantern identical to that except it is just AA battery powered, No solar, USB, or AC. It also has a magnetic base so you can stick it to things.
I got a similar one for Christmas one year but the led inside is the full length of the housing.
If you've ever watched the Transformers animated movie, you will know that we call that lantern, the matrix lol
The voice of an angel!!
I wonder what replaced Sir B. Heck’s station wagon 🤔😀
Oh. The first car that flashed into my mind was a replica batmobile. 🤔
@@Torontodude20000 nah I’m sure man the legend got himself a late model Toyota Corolla hybrid with manual seats.
I'm thinking a golf hatchback
@@theJohnnyPinball I can see that totally but something tells me Sir Heck is looking for 35 mpg or better the golf gets below that number. Heh
Some of these lamps have a warning that says not to charge with A.C. and charge a phone with a usb at the same time. If your phone has a metal case it will be referenced to A.C.
Great video, A first I thought you had forced air filter size written on the back of your left hand, but 4" is a really thick filter, lol.
you should have connected the usb to the microswitch instead
It should play the opening bars of The Touch when you open it.
It takes a bad neutral connection for the whole grounds computer chassis passing mains voltage scenario.
Unfortunately, miswired houses ARE a thing known to exist.
Ahh Birchwood I go there every year, have family up there. Should check out the Bluegill Bar if you havent
Dude I've been there many, MANY times! Now it's "Mary's Bluegill Bar"
@@BenHeckHacks An awesome bar for sure!
In a UK home, I think this might trip the RCD/GFCI by letting current that should go back on Neutral go into Ground instead.
ooh bigclive had a look at the exact same lamp model (tho he did a funny gay dalek skid as well)
„big clive gay dalek“ probably finds you the video
Oh nice i have one of those, glad to know its a death machine
Is that Avagadro's number on the back of your hand? You should probably get a mole that big checked out!
I actually prefer your lack of schedule! You do what you want when you can! Before I could tell that the schedule just stifled your creativity!
16:14 "AHH My PuK Cell" lol
reminds me of V.I.N.Cent from "The Black Hole"
it seems more like the USB is for charging a phone so if you have one of those fancy metal body phones you could get electrocuted
Good thing they are running a "unix" system!
I'm confused how you would get shocked from the ground. There should never be current on the ground, unless something is wrong, in which case it will trip the breaker in the panel.
What ground? There is no ground here, only live and neutral, and I highly doubt the plug is polarized for this thing. There's a ground in the PC, but not in the lamp so you could connect live directly to ground through the lamp.
Don't confuse the USB ground with the AC neutral (which it's directly connected to in the lamp). Maybe the AC power cord that should come with the light is polarized, maybe not. Even if it is, those of us who live in areas where many buildings still have cloth-covered wires in the walls from the 1920s-40s often find they've been wired backwards when a 3 prong outlet was replaced at a later date. Or worse it's still the original 2 prong unpolarized outlet. Also, there are 240V plugs that can be inserted backwards in some outlets. It's more common than you might think.
You don't get shocked from ground alone, you get shocked when you touch something live (the lamp) and something grounded (ground).
“Zoe: You paid money for this, sir? On purpose?
Mal: She won't be winning any beauty contests anytime soon, but she is solid. Ship like this, be with you 'til the day you die.
Zoe: Cause it's a death trap.
Mal: That's not- You are very much lacking in imagination.”
After watching multiple times and watching the video linked by Ben I still don't follow how connecting it to ground via an audio cable would open up for a shock risk as opposed to immediately tripping the GFCI.
“If it COULD happen, you have to assume that it WILL happen.”
Just about the only time where assuming something WON’T get you into trouble.
Saw some of these at harbor freight the other day.
USB-C is all I want! I have been either converting or trashing all my old micro / mini usb devices.
I have one of those! Well, not really, it looks the same, but it runs off of AAA batteries, is far better at lighting, and has a flame glow effect that activates on the second slide. Probably cheaper.
Ben has to be Daves biggest fan
We have a cabin in Birchwood. It's nice up there.
Oh sweet. Where is it?
@@BenHeckHacks not far from hemlock lack. Mile away from Murphy damn flowage on highway f
oh man, i just made some cnc feet for my bed and your cutout looked similar. kismet or something
you shold put mains on the solarpanel wires. That will shock em.
"Why am I speaking like english". I love ya Ben, however, I don't know what that accent is, but its not English! 😂
1:20 how to lose your lantern in the woods
one if by LAN, two if by xBee
8:20 wow what an interesting design, thought it would be a single big bulb
11:04 late caption? oh nvm
17:20 what is this foreshadowing
21:20 quality
22:00 that's hilarious bunch of garbage
Making America safe one lamp at a time! lol XD
you should sing other 80's movie themes and not just Jurassic Park. maybe Back To The Future? Maybe Robocop? Personally, i sing the theme to Terminator when i'm soldering
This video is like something from big clive only you turned it into safe chinese crap, good job ben 👍🏼
Idk you set a pretty high bar with that boom box video. I watched it 3 or more times for the LOLs
The plastic reminds me of hardened foam.
If you have plastic water pipes they can not be grounded but I know not every state uses plastic.
Ben takes a cheap Chinese product and modifies it so it works the way it should in the first place. Nice!
Great vid. Laughing at the end.
? two battery options at the same time and three charging option no crank dyno handle!
like Peter, use a sledghammer
Just be careful to avoid causing your thumb to shoot out some red rain in your eyes.