LS Swap/T5 82 Camaro Z28 - Engine Install!!
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- We finally got the 5.3 LS mated to our T5 5 speed transmission in the 82 camaro Z28!
We used camaro T5 with stock LS1 clutch, BBC bell housing and Ram clutches adjustable slave cylinder.
No more videos on the Camaro?
We've been working on it slowly, my brother has put it on the back burner over the last year as other cars took priority. It's hard to stay motivated on a car you've never driven.
Currently he's in the middle of filming a video wiring in the holley terminator x, when we have enough to put a video together I will upload. We will finish it! We have not forgotten about it.
following up on the trans mount/crossmember issue, how did it go together? what about the shifter did it sit to the passenger side now or still centered?
We had to make a plate to extend the mount back to the umi subframe but it worked out great, the shifter is centered in the hole but it's a little to far forward so we're making our own shifter arm so it's osee closer to the driver.
If only it wasn't an 82 we wouldn't have these issues.
Why wouldn't you choose a 5.7L engine?
Price, we got this complete 100k mile lm7 5.3 with harness and everything for $800. Ls1s are expensive and hard to find where we live.
@@HackSquadGarage
Got it. Where do you live by the way?
Nice job, I changed along the way with my build and went through 3 bodies. I have an 87 Iroc body now, went from a 327 to SBC ZZ4 to a GM ls3 crate engine, just got a BTR ls3 stage 2 v2 for it, I went with Holley’s terminator x max Holley crossmember and Holley black heart headers/exhaust..went from a 94 t56 to a Tremec Magnum F t56. Also when I bought my body it had all UMI stuff and a new QP 9” in it. Probably been 3-4 yrs just collecting parts and I’m about ready to start building! Keep your eye out for parts on market place and upgrade as you can 🤙 thanks for the video and motivation! I always love seeing people building thirdgens. I always wanted to LS swap one before it was popular in my 20’s I’m just now doing it at 38. Lol.
That's awesome! Someday this one will be going to a t56, and hopefully a turbo setup, but for now money is tight with the other pressing projects we have so it has to wait for its holley terminator x, too many projects atm and not enough funds to go around lol
@@HackSquadGarage I hear that, I had a few then sold them all and focused on one. Even then it’s slow moving. Good luck with it and I will keep checking back to see how it all works out. 🤙
whats the part NO on the T5 transmission mount.
ENS-3-1108R
no more updates? :(
Im doing the same swap but in a 1990 Fbird with a T5 as well, only difference Im using an LQ4 6.0L.
My brother ended up getting married and had a lot of associated expenses with all that and hasn't had the funds to get the terminator x. Hes also trying to balance other project cars. It will make a come back here soon. His other car is basically done and then he will get started on the camaro again. As far as the drivetrain it's all done, the swap is all done it just needs the computer, harness and injectors.
@@HackSquadGarage Why not using the OEM harness and computer? Its pretty easy to wire up. Let me know if I can help!
@@robertk.4958 We have one that we already cut down for the swap, but he really wants to use the terminator x, mainly for the software since we mostly tune ourselves. Hp tuners has some limitations nowadays.
How has this 5.3 t5 come alone did it work out well looking to do the same
We should see the car make a comeback to the channel here soon. The t5 swap works just fine but the car is still waiting on its holley terminator and wiring harness. So we have not driven it yet obviously. Getting the shims right for the slave was the only hard part.
@@HackSquadGarage do u have a video on shimming the slave or on any other part of the t5 swap on it
@@hd_sportster_man4773 we actually need to reshim the t5 because it's overextended atm. When the holley terminator we ordered a month ago finally arrives we will make more videos.
Hey what slave cylinder did u go with
It's an adjustable internal slave from Ram clutches. I don't have the part number.
What size is the fly wheel and clutch?
It's just a stock ls1 camaro flywheel and clutch
Did you have to use a spacer behind the flywheel?
No just a stock ls1 flywheel
You shim the throw out bearing
What are you using for a starter?
If I remember right it's just a ls1 camaro starter, just like the clutch kit.
go with the TKX 5 speed 600 lb/ft torque its a bolt in T5 replacement that T5 is only good for 300
The reason the crossmembers are advertised as 83-92 or 84-92 is because the 82 F-bodies were factory equipped with either a 200C or a Saginaw or T10 in stick cars. The crossmember is further forward than in an 83-92 car, which is why the crossmember is a different width than your factory 82 crossmember.
We figured that out the hard way haha, luckily we got a umi one that worked. This was a T10 car originally
Maybe you've figured this out since its been 3 1/2 months, but I have an 82 that I'm in the midst of planning for my swap and the transmission cross member hole/bolt locations are further forward on the frame rails in the 82 (and some 83's) due to the shorter transmissions used (82/83 came w/ the 4spd manual or 3spd auto). All the information i've gathered tells me to just drill the holes in the frame rails where the cross member lands. Also, this means the 82/83 drive shaft is longer and may not work with your T5. Same w/ the torque arm. I'd love to see the test fitting and detailed installation of these when you get to it!
Yes! Actually we showed it in a video but I believe it was UMI that makes a crossmember for 82-83s that also relocates the torque arm. It has bolt holes for both versions. So no drilling the car. We used that and welded on an extension piece of steel to reach the mount, we shaved that mount so the t5 is straight instead of slanted. Used a 4th gen camaro t56 driveshaft fit perfectly. The holley terminator has been on back order for 2 months but it's on the way! We'll show all that again for sure when we get the stuff we need to finish it.
What pilot bearing was used in this build ls7? Ls1?
Pretty sure it was a stock LS7 pilot
@@HackSquadGarage thank you for that. What slave cylinder did you use as well brand and etc. I’m doing this exact thing rn and these parts would be so great. Thanks I’m advance. Message me if need any of my info to hit me up
I've got a whole play list on my channel I had some different approaches but its all pretty easy. we did 2 3rd gen Camaro's
was there ever another update for this build? this is sweet. Im running a 6.0 and a t5 in my 78 malibu wagon and currently figuring out the crossmember/trans angle issue haha
The project is just waiting for its ecu and wiring harness, money has been a little tight and we're trying to get a holley system. We ended up having the wrong cross member for the 82, we got a umi brace made for the early f body. We did have to make a plate to extend the mount forward, we were going to make another video when we had some progress to share other than that small change.
What flywheel clutch kit, bell housing did you use?
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Can you reply to me with a trans to 5.3 parts list?? Cheers!
Camaro v8 t5, BBC bell housing, ls1 camaro clutch/flywheel, umi torque arm relocation crossmember, ram adjustable t5 internal slave 798-78137, hawks swap pedals with a holley adjustable master cylinder. Had to extend the mount for the trans thats about it.
lovin this build. Cant wait to see it done!
Its not if, its when the t5 blows up. The case is the problem, it flexes under power and thats what causes the carnage in the transmission. It will stay togeather if your not being to rough with it but thats hard to do lol
Yeah this is very true, when it does blow up we'll swap in a t56
@@HackSquadGarage im looking forward to seeing the rest of the build.
Nice job. Do you have slave cylinder part number please?
It's a ram clutch internal slave, I think the pn was 789-78137
Awesome project you got going on there. I’ll be at that point soon. But I have one question. Why didn’t you guy clean up the engine bay first? I still have my 305 in the can and I’m cleaning and painting what I can with the engine in until I get around to pulling it. Right now I’m trying to keep the car mobile til I do the swap.
Really hoping for a reply regarding your 3rd gen camaro.
What did you do for a master clutch cylinder? After changing to a hydraulic throw out bearing.
We used a hawks motorsports t56 conversion pedal assembly and their adjustable master, that tied right into the internal slave which we may need to reshim.
Trans blow up yet? I love T5s but they can't take much abuse behind big power. 305ft pounds of torque was the max power rating for a stock T5. I've rebuilt a few with billet steel counter bearing retainers and they'll handle a about 50-75 more ft pounds. GM never put a T5 behind a V8 larger than the 305tpi engine. LS engines put down a lot more power that's for sure lol
I was gonna say I went though 2 with a 350 with a good cam and heads
I’ve gone 12.50s on DRs with a WC T5 in an 84 15th Anniversary, mild ZZ4, 3.73 posi car. Ran it for years. Centerforce DF clutch, and a Pro 5.0 shifter. Left at 4 grand and powershifted every gear at 6k. Didn’t let off the gas until the stripe. The T5 never missed a beat.
@@Joesmusclecargarage if they're built right with preload on the input shaft and counter shaft, they'll hold together pretty good. If left in factory stock built condition, they're ticking time bombs.
Does is have to be a big block chevy bell housing? I've heard the stock bell housing will work, but that 1 bolt hole won't get used.
Nope from everything I've read and the pictures I've seen on the write ups you have to have the BBC bell housing with the addition of an internal slave. It may be due to the clutch/flywheel size I don't remember.
Hi, any updates on this build? Did the speed engineering headers work with the T5 to LS swap? Just curious because I’m doing the same swap until I can find a t56 that isn’t $4000 and has 156k miles on it 😂
Yeah currently we are trying to save up enough money for the holley terminator x, but 2 of the other subarus decided to blow up so it's next after that engine rebuild is done. The headers fit perfectly actually, making an exhaust past that will be fun since that transmission crossmember is quite large. If you arnt planing on making a bunch of power the T5 is an option.
Hey bud, I’m doing the same swap on my camaro Ive been trying to figure out the trans crossmember. Did ur way work
That's awesome! So they sell one that fits 82-83 cars from UMI. I believe the part number is 2228-R. It has 3 bolt holes since the bolt holes in the frame, we got that one and it almost lines up perfectly, we may need to move the engine back a tad but it's close enough to where we can make it work.
Hack Squad, where is this one at. I'm on the edge of my sit for the finished product. I have a 1991 rs I'm doing the same swap on and cant wait to see your car hit the street!!
Thanks! It's slowly going, we have a new video in the works on some suspension mods and exhaust, but really we are trying to get some money together for the holley terminator x system to run the car, the goal is to have it done before this summer so we can take it to the wedding! We'll do our best to get some content out as soon as we can.
@@HackSquadGarage Thanks! Keep it up, great work here!!
You could of used 91 crossmanber for t5 5 speed the I saw looked like for 4 speed they are defferene in the way they mount to the faerm or body
thank you for that. What slave cylinder did you use as well brand and etc. I’m doing this exact thing rn and these parts would be so great. Thanks I’m advance. Message me if need any of my info to hit me up
I don't have a part number but it was a Ram clutches adjustable slave cylinder. Stock ls1 camaro clutch and flywheel. Original driveshaft, hawks pedals/master. Speed engineering swap headers.
What was it for. Ls1?
@@jkelley1481 no its a universal t5 style slave, if you just Google ram clutches adjustable slave it's comes right up.
I ran into a similar fitting problem with my LS swap Hooker brand cross-member on my 83 Z28 however, my mounting holes were only off by like 3/8". Speaking to the folks at Hawks Motorsports, they told me the trans tunnel on the 84 cars was wider however, he asked me if my car was a 700R4 automatic car (and it is) if so, it should fit as apparently they were different. I was able to make it work but it took some messaging to do so. Likewise, the torque arm bracket integral with the cross-member was off to the left side by 1+ inches, so I had to make a spacer and go with longer bolts. Very curious how you guys worked this out. Lastly, I did a search on Summit racing website, and they denote fitment of the same Hooker brand cross-member for the 82-83 Camaro with (in my case) the 4L60E trans, and 82 - 87 for the Camaro sport / Berlinetta. It seems strange that the trans tunnel would be different depending on the 3rd gen. Yours is a beautiful car, the white with gold really works, especially with all the fresh paint / bodywork.
Yeah we had some similar issues, we ended up getting a umi cross member I believe made the early 3rd gens, it had mounting hold for both 82-83 and the 84-92. It out the torque arm mount close to the body but it all worked well. We did have to make a plate spacer to reach back a bit to line up with our transmission mount, it was off by about an inch forward and 1/2 off to the left, used some 1/4in thick steel to bend to shape, bolted it in place and we'll weld it to the cross member when everything is finalized. Right now we are dealing with clutch adjustments, it looks like our throw out bearing is hyper extenting and leaking fluid. So we need to figure that out without hopefully pulling the transmission to reshim it.
@@HackSquadGarage Sounds very similar to mine. I have one (hopefully last) problem, it appears the Hooker mount places the tail-shaft a little high, course, I ran out of time due to winter here in MI. mid Nov. so I hope to be able to continue and test run it maybe by mid May.
I'm having an issue with the transmission mount, I've found that it puts the trany way out of center of the tunnel. Are you or did you have the same issue??
Yes we had the same issue even with the better transmission crossmember, what we did was take a thick steel plate, drill some holes to mount it too and were going to weld it to the subframe later. Like an extention to the transmission mount.
I am Ls swapping a 1992 Camaro with a 5 speed I'm wondering if the clutch is the same as yours
Did that straight bell still put the shifter three same spot in floor
Yeah it lined up pretty good, it's a few inches forward so we're going to make a shifter to get the handle back maybe 2in.
@@HackSquadGarage ok great thanks
What ict kit did you use on the front accessories
The one that utilized the truck accessories while moving the alternator over out of the way. I believe they only have the one.
This is great! I’m gearing up to install a 5.3 in a low mile v6 third gen with a T-5 and have been looking around for similar builds. Looking forward to more
From my knowledge the v6 t5 is different, they have a different input shaft so you will need a v8 camaro t5 but yeah its a good option if you arnt going for a lot of power.
@@HackSquadGarage I have a v6 t5 I’m planning on throwing behind a 5.3, it has the same spline count as the v8 t5 so what’s different about the input shaft?
I’ve got some questions regarding this swap. First of all I’d like to say nice looking build so far man! Now to the questions! Lol. What year 5.3? What year t5 trans? I’m looking into doing an ls swap but still trying to figure out what works and what doesn’t lol
Thanks! So it's a gen 3 2003 silverado Lm7 5.3l and a 87 v8 camaro T5. It has to be a v8 camaro t5 for this to work, they have the same input shaft spline as a t56 so we used a stock LS1 clutch and flywheel with a corvette pilot bearing and you need that big block Chevy bell housing since that mostly matches up to the LS bolt pattern and fits on a t5, then you need to figure out which adjustable internal slave cylinder you want to go with, lots of brands. With our engine placement we should be able to use a stock 4th gen t56 camaro driveshaft but we don't have one yet. Hope that helps.
@@HackSquadGarage that helps loads!! Thank you for the reply and info. I really appreciate it. Now time for me to look up some parts!
@@HackSquadGarage just got my 5.3 and world class t5. Got the bell housing coming from Amazon. Have any links to the clutch components you used?
@@skywatergarage it was a stock LS1 camaro clutch/flywheel we had left over, corvette pilot. And they maybe several different brands on adjustable internal slaves for the T5, I don't have a link but we used one that has shims to get the spacing right.
@@HackSquadGarage any corvette pilot or a certain model? Is yours running yet? Appreciate the replies. And fast at that.
Did the angle work out on the transmission mount?
What adapter did you have to use to get the 5.3 to the t-5?
No adapter, we used a big block Chevy bell housing and a stock ls1 camaro clutch, had to do a little customization with the transmission mount and internal hydraulic slave but it all works.
@@HackSquadGarage thanks
Why didn’t you use the Camaro Bellhousing that angles it?
LS has a different bolt pattern than the old small block Chevy. The BBC bell housing works with the LS polt pattern and let you use a LS1 clutch.
@@HackSquadGarage same bolt pattern just one is not drilled an tapped on the block i have a th400 on my LS in my car
@@hd_sportster_man4773 The factory T5 bellhousing is made for a 153 tooth flywheel and won’t clear the larger 168 tooth flywheel of the Gen 3 engine. That’s why the 621 is used.
@@Joesmusclecargarage yes i found that out lol thanks
Which headers did you use
Speed engineering ls swap headers. Fit perfectly, easy to install too
Tkx would be cheaper and better than a t56 you can shift out higher
that poor T-5