I have seen people make graphic visuals but they don’t do the rotating too much Justice. This is the first video I have seen that shows the rotation of the pins so thoroughly Thank you
I think this maybe the first time Ive seen a Gem in your hand. Makes sense that the point on the Gem's tup works for pin rotation. I hope to become more knowledgeable of Medecos. The sidebar with gates make it unique a challenging. One of my short hooks has a groove notched out of the surface for rotating pins.
Very Nice video..! I was pushing off learning Medeco's because I thought the pins rotated a whole 360 degrees, but now seeing how they rotate they don't seem too bad...
Wish I saw this video before I started picking my first Medeco. Prior to my first open I researched all over the web to gather information on how to pick my biaxial. I built a "groove grabber" with guitar wire and even a special pick that grabs the pins. No success. It wasn't until I held the plug in my hand (as demonstrated in this video) and practiced rotating the pins with a half diamond or gem. After that I just picked to sheer than rotated the pins with a half diamond and got the lock open. I didn't even need any of the special tools I made.
Ha, yeah funny how that works. It makes sense once you try it out. Trying to pick any high-security lock without fully understanding it is pretty hard, taking them apart is essential IMO.
Im on day 3 of learning my medeco 4 pin biaxal Ive picked it twice this video im sure will help me get the dam thing on video which ive yet to do great tutorial cheers buddy
As I sit here watching your video while trying to pick your Medeco 🤣🤣 Thanks my friend, I am really enjoying it so far. I've gotten it picked up to 5 pins...but once I threw that 6th pin in there it started laughing at me.
Great vid. One question though, if you are stuck in a false gate or the pin just isnt rotated properly, how can you release sidebar tension without having pins fall out of sheer?
Picking CCW offers the great advantage that even if pins do drop, you are most concerned about getting rotation correct. Once that is correct it will be "locked" in pretty easily. Having said that, if you pick to sheer most locks will go into a false set, which allows you to release most tension to allow the pins to rotate. This is how you pick CW or how I got the last couple pins rotated on my other video CCW.
I'll definitely try CCW but i'm currently trying 3/6 pins in my medeco trying to learn and it often seems like i have it picked to sheer but i must not have the rotation right so it won't open. When i release even the smallest bit of tension to try and get the rotation right, everything pretty much resets from what i can tell and i have to start over.
I've seen an occasional lock that can't do it CW, you also may not have it picked to sheer. How is it with a single pin or 2 pins? CCW for me is personally easier on many locks, but there are a few it didn't work so easily and a CW pick was pretty easy. So I feel it's good to learn both ways.
With 1-2 pins it feels just like a normal lock without any sidebar. It could be the case that it's not to sheer since there are some weird looking spools in there.. I haven't gotten to the point where the lock responds to any rotation of mine and i basically pray that the rotation is correct and pick it to sheer,
clovis hamilton that can be typical, especially if the first couple pins have no false gates they will snap into the true gate pretty easy. Try taking it apart and getting a feel for rotation on those 3 and what direction you need to go. then when it's back together repeat that and feel what's happening inside
draukan I have an Assa that only has the sidebar in place to learn how to pick that. Same trick works for medico. Do you mind if I link this video in the description of my own? Telling people to check it out?
Great video. I have a couple that Ive been trying to pick. I just get frustrated. They are very hard to manipulate. VERY HARD. But this is a great visual. Thank you
Awesome video buddy, I've watched it a few times now over the last month. My question is, how do I no if the rotation is correct? Is there a way to tell, just that with my m3 I have atm I cant pick the pin at all, it's stiff, until I play with the rotation then it loosens up to where it feels like it's pickable. Does this mean the rotation is correct ?
It's all the rotation of the pins. Pins in a regular lock need to lift to the correct height (same as a Medeco), but Medeco also need to be rotated for a sidebar to drop in and allow the plug to turn. Other high-security locks sometimes have separate pins that control this function (Primus or ASSA), or Mul-T-Lock that have pin-in-pin telescoping design is another way.
Medecos can be junk if you know the key pin code, a key can be cut and you don't need the side bar code because the last key that went in it lined up the side bar, as long as you don't cut the key with the v cut as to disturb the pins it will open the lock. I have made credit card keys and shearpin keys that worked just fine on my test locks.!
OMG!! I live in an apartment building in Montreal Quebec Canada. The janitor has been in my apartment numerous times. I changed my locks twice but they were cheap locks. Then I bought a Medeco. The company I bought it from told me they are pick proof. But there is still activity in my apartment. Another couple also broke in. And I think it's them and not the janitor. Now I'm putting in a camera. Ive been sick and couldn't afford it until now. I can't believe my Medeco lock is not protecting me. Thank you for the video. Hoping to move once I get them on video.
Leila McIlwraith it's unfortunate to hear that locksmiths still claim impossible to pick. Maybe a more accurate claim is unlikely. Have you had a locksmith to do the install and check other points of entry? I would suspect that even if a common lock was picked it would be highly unlikely that a Medeco would be picked so quickly after. But there are other locks much more difficult to pick, I would just be very surprised if picking was actually used in the field. Bypasses and other points of entry are much more likely. Basically my advice is to hire a professional and if the last one wasn't good try another.
draukan Thank you for the feedback. It was a professional that installed it. I live on the 5th floor and the balcony faces the swimming pool and all other apartments so I know they are not getting in that way. The husband of the forementioned couple told me "Anyone can pick a Lock", like he'd been doing it for years. They are from another country that I won't mention here. Do you have any suggestions for a better lock?
I would first of all make absolute certain that pick resistance is what you need. Otherwise getting a more pick resistant lock won't help you. Having said that, Medeco I would rate in the middle of pick resistance...medium to high security, a very large step up from common locks, but Mul-T-Lock is a little harder (or MT5+ model fairly hard) as well as Schlage Primus. The next category would be what I would call ultra-high security. Abloy and the MCS are in this category, they can still be picked, but they do offer more resistance, tools to pick them are also not common. I would suggest you take a look here for specific models: www.reddit.com/r/lockpicking/wiki/beltranking#wiki_black_belt Many of these won't come in a useful model to go on your front door, so that is why a locksmith that deals in the brand is key. Also making sure it's installed properly so that it can't be bypassed is also very important. I also wouldn't put the balcony out of possibility, 5 floors up may seem like a lot to you, but there is not wind up there like there is 50 stories up to prevent someone from coming in that way, especially from the unit above.
draukan Wow thank you very much. I have much to learn. But getting them on video is the next step before spending more money on another lock. But the information you have provided will be put to use when I move. Thanks again. 😀
I think they are probably slipping your latch or something similar. It doesn't matter what lock you have if your door isn't hung right and can just be opened another way.
Not all the pins will need set in the sidebar. Some are already aligned. You may only need to set two or three pins out of six. ruclips.net/video/Z0eJKsQjWlc/видео.html
Good video on how to rotate pins. EXTREMELY impractical picking medeco n the field. In a Vice, in Your comfy chair maybe. By the time You can pick a medeco in an hour, you will have callouses that can tear a quarter in half.
Fine if you want to learn to pick as a hobby but how many people are going to learn to play with this complicated lock to pick it and gain entry? No one. A standard lock is so easy to pick and most anyone can learn in a few hours. This is one that would take even an experienced lock pick on this style of lock a lot of time and maybe they can and maybe they can not.
but is it this easy w the lock installed in the door horizontally where gravity & darkness is. you have 2 angles of light right now. *make a new video w the lock in a door; then lock yourself out
Excellent video and clear explanation of how the pins interact with the sidebar. I can’t believe how many people don’t get what the purpose of the video is. One of these people who commented on this video has had a bit of a run in with me on Facebook in the past and when he didn’t agree with me on simple methods and physics, got all pissed and blocked me! Never mind, onwards and upwards! 😂 I know this is an old video now but it is still a great one for showing the mechanics of the Medeco pins 😁🥚
Cool, link some videos on locks you've picked....but I think you've missed the point of this video. The point isn't entry it's education. Glad you are happy with your Medeco locks for production use.
This technique will not work. The plug will not rotate unless the all the gates are aligned and the sidebar is free to move inwards. With the plug in your hand you can tip or wobble the sidebar.
I think this was just intended to be a guide on how to rotate the pins. Certainly when applying pressure to the sidebar with your hand, the bar will not force inward uniformity, however, as with top pins, Medeco sidebars have a"binding order". While the bar does press inward uniformity while in the lock and under rotational pressure, it is inevitable that one pin will bind first, allowing it to be rotated into position while the others spin freely. Once that one finds its gate, the plug will turn imperceptibly further and another will bind, allowing you to do the same. This technique does work (I have used it to pick countless Medecos), but there is a little more to it. Again, I think this guide was just to show one method of rotating the pins.
I understand the mechanisms of the lock and how to manipulate the pins. And I understand that in order to move out of a false gate you need very little tension. I am able to move the pin back and forth or side to side. My problem, or question is, is there a way to "feel" the pin move out of the false gate and into the true gate? Or is binding order on aligning into the true gate the only trick? Or is it just luck, falling into the true gate from a false gate? BTW, I have disassembled the lock and I am using 3 pins out of a 6 pin core.
Congratulations on missing the point of this video. See my other videos for what I have picked open. I have picked plenty of fully pinned Medeco Classics, Biaxial, and M3. This work in the video here gives you foundational skills. I don't see any videos of YOU picking open a Medeco.
kevino25701 have you noticed that this is a how to video, and everyone else seems to like it? Also can you not search? I have picked on camera 3 Medeco locks.
@@LockFall 3 Medeco locks in a vice. Pick one on a door. Face it, these have security pins, and are pretty impractical to pick. Lock smiths don't waste their time picking medeco.
@@forrestmorgan3222, phew! Thankfully I'm not a locksmith...I thought it was obvious this was about hobby level picking? No one is picking locks to get anywhere. You don't see any drilling techniques on my channel. It's all about fun, have some!
Truly sad when someone posts these kinds of videos informing dishonest people how to pick a lock that you think are the best locks to keep us safe! Dealing with high security locks has been a nightmare knowing that someone is posting a video exposing how to get past a high security lock that after buying numerous deadbolts that are a fail..there are alot of dishonest people out there that are watching these kind of videos..so they can get inside your home TRULY SAD!
LMAO!! Crooks aren't going to pick their way into your house. It's slow and takes finesse. Thieves are all about limiting their exposure to witnesses and such, and spending minutes fiddling with your door is just obvious to anyone who might see. Thieves are more likely to use brute force techniques like crowbars and sledgehammers, or even breaking a window. So what's truly sad is when people with no clue try to shame someone because they think they know it all. Free life lesson. You don't.
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I have seen people make graphic visuals but they don’t do the rotating too much Justice. This is the first video I have seen that shows the rotation of the pins so thoroughly
Thank you
I think this maybe the first time Ive seen a Gem in your hand. Makes sense that the point on the Gem's tup works for pin rotation. I hope to become more knowledgeable of Medecos. The sidebar with gates make it unique a challenging. One of my short hooks has a groove notched out of the surface for rotating pins.
Very Nice video..! I was pushing off learning Medeco's because I thought the pins rotated a whole 360 degrees, but now seeing how they rotate they don't seem too bad...
Wish I saw this video before I started picking my first Medeco. Prior to my first open I researched all over the web to gather information on how to pick my biaxial. I built a "groove grabber" with guitar wire and even a special pick that grabs the pins. No success.
It wasn't until I held the plug in my hand (as demonstrated in this video) and practiced rotating the pins with a half diamond or gem. After that I just picked to sheer than rotated the pins with a half diamond and got the lock open. I didn't even need any of the special tools I made.
Ha, yeah funny how that works. It makes sense once you try it out. Trying to pick any high-security lock without fully understanding it is pretty hard, taking them apart is essential IMO.
Hard to learn, easy to master.
"that's all there really is to it" lol
Ha! Glad you enjoyed that :)
Im on day 3 of learning my medeco 4 pin biaxal Ive picked it twice
this video im sure will help me get the dam thing on video which ive yet to do
great tutorial cheers buddy
As I sit here watching your video while trying to pick your Medeco 🤣🤣
Thanks my friend, I am really enjoying it so far. I've gotten it picked up to 5 pins...but once I threw that 6th pin in there it started laughing at me.
OMG me too lol 5 pins is hard but 6 is ridiculous
Awesome video. That's another lock I've been wanting to work on and get up on video. Thanks for sharing my friend.
I'm loving these videos 😁
Great vid. One question though, if you are stuck in a false gate or the pin just isnt rotated properly, how can you release sidebar tension without having pins fall out of sheer?
Picking CCW offers the great advantage that even if pins do drop, you are most concerned about getting rotation correct. Once that is correct it will be "locked" in pretty easily. Having said that, if you pick to sheer most locks will go into a false set, which allows you to release most tension to allow the pins to rotate. This is how you pick CW or how I got the last couple pins rotated on my other video CCW.
I'll definitely try CCW but i'm currently trying 3/6 pins in my medeco trying to learn and it often seems like i have it picked to sheer but i must not have the rotation right so it won't open. When i release even the smallest bit of tension to try and get the rotation right, everything pretty much resets from what i can tell and i have to start over.
I've seen an occasional lock that can't do it CW, you also may not have it picked to sheer. How is it with a single pin or 2 pins? CCW for me is personally easier on many locks, but there are a few it didn't work so easily and a CW pick was pretty easy. So I feel it's good to learn both ways.
With 1-2 pins it feels just like a normal lock without any sidebar. It could be the case that it's not to sheer since there are some weird looking spools in there.. I haven't gotten to the point where the lock responds to any rotation of mine and i basically pray that the rotation is correct and pick it to sheer,
clovis hamilton that can be typical, especially if the first couple pins have no false gates they will snap into the true gate pretty easy. Try taking it apart and getting a feel for rotation on those 3 and what direction you need to go. then when it's back together repeat that and feel what's happening inside
Thanks for the tips! Extremely helpful.
DarkWoodPicks no problem, glad was helpful
draukan I have an Assa that only has the sidebar in place to learn how to pick that. Same trick works for medico. Do you mind if I link this video in the description of my own? Telling people to check it out?
Sure no problem for me. I agree that this can work for many locks with sidebars.
Great video. I have a couple that Ive been trying to pick. I just get frustrated. They are very hard to manipulate. VERY HARD. But this is a great visual. Thank you
Enjoy, No one is picking a medeco in the field. Security pins. etc. Lock smiths don't bother.
Which locks/keys cannot be picked or keys duplicated?
Very helpful, thanks for this.
Awesome video buddy, I've watched it a few times now over the last month. My question is, how do I no if the rotation is correct? Is there a way to tell, just that with my m3 I have atm I cant pick the pin at all, it's stiff, until I play with the rotation then it loosens up to where it feels like it's pickable. Does this mean the rotation is correct ?
Very informative !!! Noob here and trying to learn what is special about the Medeco's!
It's all the rotation of the pins. Pins in a regular lock need to lift to the correct height (same as a Medeco), but Medeco also need to be rotated for a sidebar to drop in and allow the plug to turn. Other high-security locks sometimes have separate pins that control this function (Primus or ASSA), or Mul-T-Lock that have pin-in-pin telescoping design is another way.
draukan Thank you for the added info ... pretty ingenious and intricate stuff
Medecos can be junk if you know the key pin code, a key can be cut and you don't need the side bar code because the last key that went in it lined up the side bar, as long as you don't cut the key with the v cut as to disturb the pins it will open the lock. I have made credit card keys and shearpin keys that worked just fine on my test locks.!
Cool content man
You make it seem easy :D
Would a diamond work instead of a gem or would i be better off with the hook? I dont have a gem in either pick set.
Diamond not really, I'd go with a deeper hook if you don't have a gem.
OMG!! I live in an apartment building in Montreal Quebec Canada. The janitor has been in my apartment numerous times. I changed my locks twice but they were cheap locks. Then I bought a Medeco. The company I bought it from told me they are pick proof. But there is still activity in my apartment. Another couple also broke in. And I think it's them and not the janitor. Now I'm putting in a camera. Ive been sick and couldn't afford it until now. I can't believe my Medeco lock is not protecting me. Thank you for the video. Hoping to move once I get them on video.
Leila McIlwraith it's unfortunate to hear that locksmiths still claim impossible to pick. Maybe a more accurate claim is unlikely. Have you had a locksmith to do the install and check other points of entry? I would suspect that even if a common lock was picked it would be highly unlikely that a Medeco would be picked so quickly after. But there are other locks much more difficult to pick, I would just be very surprised if picking was actually used in the field. Bypasses and other points of entry are much more likely. Basically my advice is to hire a professional and if the last one wasn't good try another.
draukan Thank you for the feedback. It was a professional that installed it. I live on the 5th floor and the balcony faces the swimming pool and all other apartments so I know they are not getting in that way. The husband of the forementioned couple told me "Anyone can pick a Lock", like he'd been doing it for years. They are from another country that I won't mention here. Do you have any suggestions for a better lock?
I would first of all make absolute certain that pick resistance is what you need. Otherwise getting a more pick resistant lock won't help you. Having said that, Medeco I would rate in the middle of pick resistance...medium to high security, a very large step up from common locks, but Mul-T-Lock is a little harder (or MT5+ model fairly hard) as well as Schlage Primus. The next category would be what I would call ultra-high security. Abloy and the MCS are in this category, they can still be picked, but they do offer more resistance, tools to pick them are also not common.
I would suggest you take a look here for specific models: www.reddit.com/r/lockpicking/wiki/beltranking#wiki_black_belt
Many of these won't come in a useful model to go on your front door, so that is why a locksmith that deals in the brand is key. Also making sure it's installed properly so that it can't be bypassed is also very important. I also wouldn't put the balcony out of possibility, 5 floors up may seem like a lot to you, but there is not wind up there like there is 50 stories up to prevent someone from coming in that way, especially from the unit above.
draukan Wow thank you very much. I have much to learn. But getting them on video is the next step before spending more money on another lock. But the information you have provided will be put to use when I move. Thanks again.
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I think they are probably slipping your latch or something similar. It doesn't matter what lock you have if your door isn't hung right and can just be opened another way.
Excellent vidio very well done and informative thank you
Good stuff. Thanks.
Not all the pins will need set in the sidebar. Some are already aligned. You may only need to set two or three pins out of six.
ruclips.net/video/Z0eJKsQjWlc/видео.html
I definitely agree, and without false gates, some pins can easily be set just by poking around a bit.
All the pins are set to open at the start hence why he's having to hold the sidebar in!
Good video on how to rotate pins. EXTREMELY impractical picking medeco n the field. In a Vice, in Your comfy chair maybe. By the time You can pick a medeco in an hour, you will have callouses that can tear a quarter in half.
Fine if you want to learn to pick as a hobby but how many people are going to learn to play with this complicated lock to pick it and gain entry? No one. A standard lock is so easy to pick and most anyone can learn in a few hours. This is one that would take even an experienced lock pick on this style of lock a lot of time and maybe they can and maybe they can not.
I can make a working key d
For this lock with just the lock itself
but is it this easy w the lock installed in the door horizontally where gravity & darkness is. you have 2 angles of light right now.
*make a new video w the lock in a door; then lock yourself out
stop it, you didn't shear all 6 pins
Excellent video and clear explanation of how the pins interact with the sidebar.
I can’t believe how many people don’t get what the purpose of the video is. One of these people who commented on this video has had a bit of a run in with me on Facebook in the past and when he didn’t agree with me on simple methods and physics, got all pissed and blocked me! Never mind, onwards and upwards! 😂
I know this is an old video now but it is still a great one for showing the mechanics of the Medeco pins 😁🥚
why don't you show picking the lock with cylinder in if it's that easy.
Bueno
$8 Titanium drill bit takes 3 minutes
It is a bit noisy though.
Just kick the door in!
Stop biting those nails bro... and try out some Goldbond Men's lotion!
I think you're on the wrong channel. This is lock picking, not nit picking.
@@caseylocke4474 NICE
glad i have medeco locks.you just proved that its not that easy to pick a medeco. you might as well pick a master lock. more your speed
Cool, link some videos on locks you've picked....but I think you've missed the point of this video. The point isn't entry it's education. Glad you are happy with your Medeco locks for production use.
Great video my friend. Nicely done. Come check me out. That really helps me
This technique will not work. The plug will not rotate unless the all the gates are aligned and the sidebar is free to move inwards. With the plug in your hand you can tip or wobble the sidebar.
Scott Coben have you tried it? my sidebars will not retract unless all gates are aligned out of the bible like you see here, it does not tip.
I think this was just intended to be a guide on how to rotate the pins. Certainly when applying pressure to the sidebar with your hand, the bar will not force inward uniformity, however, as with top pins, Medeco sidebars have a"binding order". While the bar does press inward uniformity while in the lock and under rotational pressure, it is inevitable that one pin will bind first, allowing it to be rotated into position while the others spin freely. Once that one finds its gate, the plug will turn imperceptibly further and another will bind, allowing you to do the same. This technique does work (I have used it to pick countless Medecos), but there is a little more to it. Again, I think this guide was just to show one method of rotating the pins.
I understand the mechanisms of the lock and how to manipulate the pins. And I understand that in order to move out of a false gate you need very little tension. I am able to move the pin back and forth or side to side. My problem, or question is, is there a way to "feel" the pin move out of the false gate and into the true gate? Or is binding order on aligning into the true gate the only trick? Or is it just luck, falling into the true gate from a false gate? BTW, I have disassembled the lock and I am using 3 pins out of a 6 pin core.
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Feeling a little better about the security of my dorm room now that I know these aren't just cheap locks :)
No ONE is going to pick Your Medeco Door Lock.
@@forrestmorgan3222 :))
why would you want to show someone how to pick a persons home lock. your house lock should get picked then you would know how it feel.
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Bullshit. Plain, simple bullshit. Let's see you pick a Medeco cylinder that is not disassembled!
lmao dude
Medeco are one of the easiest high-security locks to pick
ruclips.net/video/yfx2yDkZLeU/видео.html
Useless information at actually picking a medeco open. If the core is out, of course it's easier. Let's see you open one that's installed ???
Congratulations on missing the point of this video. See my other videos for what I have picked open. I have picked plenty of fully pinned Medeco Classics, Biaxial, and M3. This work in the video here gives you foundational skills. I don't see any videos of YOU picking open a Medeco.
draukan Perhaps you should title your video more accurately so viewers aren't deceived. If you really can pick one open, prove it with a video.
kevino25701 have you noticed that this is a how to video, and everyone else seems to like it? Also can you not search? I have picked on camera 3 Medeco locks.
@@LockFall 3 Medeco locks in a vice. Pick one on a door. Face it, these have security pins, and are pretty impractical to pick. Lock smiths don't waste their time picking medeco.
@@forrestmorgan3222, phew! Thankfully I'm not a locksmith...I thought it was obvious this was about hobby level picking? No one is picking locks to get anywhere. You don't see any drilling techniques on my channel. It's all about fun, have some!
Truly sad when someone posts these kinds of videos informing dishonest people how to pick a lock that you think are the best locks to keep us safe! Dealing with high security locks has been a nightmare knowing that someone is posting a video exposing how to get past a high security lock that after buying numerous deadbolts that are a fail..there are alot of dishonest people out there that are watching these kind of videos..so they can get inside your home TRULY SAD!
LMAO!! Crooks aren't going to pick their way into your house. It's slow and takes finesse. Thieves are all about limiting their exposure to witnesses and such, and spending minutes fiddling with your door is just obvious to anyone who might see. Thieves are more likely to use brute force techniques like crowbars and sledgehammers, or even breaking a window. So what's truly sad is when people with no clue try to shame someone because they think they know it all. Free life lesson. You don't.