Just a small correction in case anyone got confused. At 3:22 he says the pinnacle cut is more like a knife cut and the crosscut is more like a chisel cut. Paul mistakenly called the rip cut demo board a crosscut. The pinnacle is the crosscut and acts like a knife to cut the fibers. The rip cut is like a chisel cut. I can assure you this was simply a mistake in the moment. Paul knows what he's doing.
This is exactly what is so great about this channel! Precise as well as concise information on a specific topic, that in itself will improve ones ability to work with wood by pointing out less obvious aspects one wasn't even aware of before. No rambling on about irrelevant stuff just to fill minutes. Thank you Mr. Sellers!
About 5 decades ago I left a 5 1/2 tpi rip saw to be sharpened at a local sharpening service. Some dunderhead mounted it in a saw filing machine and it emerged completely re-toothed as an 8 point crosscut saw. Needless to say I was some steamed!! Shortly thereafter an elderly gentleman in the neighborhood taught me how simple it is to sharpen handsaws and I’ve been filing my own ever since.
Mr. Paul sellers. Thank you so much for a shining example of calmness and craftsmanship. For all of the people who have a place they call their shop, I want to thank you. I couldn’t possibly explain my gratitude for you in a comment section. We thank you sir.
I was literally just wondering this yesterday, bemoaning the dullness of my late grandfather's saw. I'm also going to rewatch your advice on saw sharpening. Thank you, sir. Paul Sellers: a master preserving hand woodworking, handing it to the next generations. Truly dignified work. An invaluable endeavor. Much appreciated.
This is a lovely visual demonstration of the differences using those enlarged models. Effectively the rip cut is a series of chisel blades or plane blades along the length of the saw (and we know it is easier to plane with the grain). The cross-cut is a series of knives along the length of the saw.
So clear and concise. Love the oversized models to make it easy to see the tooth patterns, and the explainations on how and why the larger teeth act as they do in their respective cuts.
I needed a hand ripcut saw, but couldn't find one for purchase anywhere local. Thanks to your old video about sharpening and refinishing teeth, I was able to convert a crosscut saw into a ripcut.
Since I was a little kid I've wondered why it was so difficult to cut at the beginning of a cut(the blade bending when I go the opposite direction) and now 20 years later I finally know.
Thank you that was so brilliantly explained. I will always know now why some saws cut better than others in certain situations. Had not appreciated there was such a big difference between the teeth shapes.
Por fin entiendo la diferencia en tre los dos tipos de sierra y sé distinguirlas. Paul se ha tomado el trabajo de realizar un maqueta a gan tamaño para hacernos comprender las diferencias. ¡qué gran maestro! . Muchas gracias, es muy didáctico
I repeat the same thank you Mr. Sellers for your know-how that some viewers said , i learned alot on how what a sharping of a saw is. Plus the fact of your wood samples of the difference in saw tooth structure procedures. I sharpen my saws before reaching your channel,jejeje my saw , saw no sharpness. A giant butterknife. GodChrist Bless your works thanks. PEACE 👍💯%👍👆🙏🌎🌍🌏😉 🍔☕🍻🍕
Great content delivered clearly as always. Sharpening a saw, even a rip cut pattern, is something I still find extremely difficult even after watching videos many times. I'm not sure I don't make things worse half the time
I've an old Disston tenon saw that has a lever one side of the handle. When actuate the lever it loosens the the two bars that act as the spine (their riveted at the far end). That lets me remove the blade and flip it around. It has a cross cut grind on one side and a rip cut grind on the other. I can even choose how far the teeth come up past the spine so I can score pieces to a certain depth. It's such a simple but exeedingly clever design. By far the most interesting saw I own and my favorite.
One should have couple of crosscut teethes and couple of ripcut. than again 2 crosscut and 2 ripcut. ... Universal saw for the home :) Thank you Paul for explanation!! My father had (have probably still) several saws, but I think they were all standard cross-cut.. And I remember I tried once to cut along the fibers and was swearing a lot because it just did not work. Saw just stuck inside jawing and fibering the wood. Than I got to know that there are these two types, but till looking at your saw sharpening videos I never knew the difference..
Thank you for the explanation in a great video. It is confusing and I think even in your video at 3:22 in you referred back to a cross-cut when in fact I think you meant to say rip-cut ?
I have a large vintage hand saw I'm restoring, and it looks so blunt I can't really tell where the sharpened edges of each tooth are or where they used to be. Each tooth is alternately turned outwards, however. Is there any other way to tell the difference, so I can sharpen it properly?
I am a bit confused: At 1:40 you state the blade in your right hand is for rip-cut, but as I see it, you state at 3:22 that the cross-cut is more of a chisel. But it seems to me that you refer to the blade that you at 1:40 denoted a rip-cut. Have I misunderstood something here?
@@paulsellers7953 Do not mention it. This clip actually made me once and for all remember how to distinguish between a rip-cut and a cross-cut saw when you used the chisel analogy for the rip-cut blade.
Have been wondering about why we don't seem differentiating between rip and cross-cut for tenon and dovetail saws. Now as I understand it is unnecessary because of their small teeth. Thank you.
These cuts can be done with crosscut saws. Nonetheless, I do find it faster to use a rip cutting saw with tenons, dovetails, etc. Hardly notice it with small tenons but I recently did a workbench with 3" tenons and the difference was noticeable. I also tend to get a cleaner result with less need for cleanup.
I keep two tenon saws for this purpose. A cross cut one for the shoulders and a rip one for the tenon cheeks. I find it aids precision and speed. I have never got on cross cutting with rip teeth. Mind you that’s an order of magnitude easier than ripping with a crosscut saw.
Paul. Hi, I know it's quite some time since you did the saw sharpening. I've just bought 2 second hand saws that need sharpening. The file used is it a normal metal work or is the it a special file for saws. Kindest regards Geoff maddison
One of the best contributers on you tube but the algorithms have hidden him recently FU YT. Big thanks to Mr Sellers you do so much for woodwork education you should get a mention on an honours list.
Can you tell me what brand are those rectangular router planes are, the red one behind you. I saw you say that you would give that one away after getting more subscribers. I can't even find that style anywhere. Thanks for sharing
Grateful for the information, but can you increase the effectiveness on the crosscut saw when ripping by lowering the arm to alter the angle of the teeth through the wood?
Very detailed explanation but one question. You say you sharpen your tenon saws in a rip saw pattern. Doesn't this have the same problems cutting across the grain? Very good videos and always on the lookout for new ones.
I see now that with the rip cut sharpening that when it's used to rip the edge of each tooth is perpendicular to the fibers of the wood; when a rip-sharpened blade is wrongly used to cross cut the edge of each tooth is parallel to the fibers and so can only push on the fibers and snap, not cut, them off.
I’m just starting out, so the terminology is still somewhat unfamiliar, and this is the first Paul Sellers video I’ve watched, but my head was spinning by the end of the video. My own learning style depends on a slightly more “composed” narration, and I found Paul’s extemporaneous style a bit meandering. I did appreciate the blown up models.
Just a small correction in case anyone got confused. At 3:22 he says the pinnacle cut is more like a knife cut and the crosscut is more like a chisel cut. Paul mistakenly called the rip cut demo board a crosscut. The pinnacle is the crosscut and acts like a knife to cut the fibers. The rip cut is like a chisel cut. I can assure you this was simply a mistake in the moment. Paul knows what he's doing.
This is exactly what is so great about this channel!
Precise as well as concise information on a specific topic, that in itself will improve ones ability to work with wood by pointing out less obvious aspects one wasn't even aware of before. No rambling on about irrelevant stuff just to fill minutes.
Thank you Mr. Sellers!
About 5 decades ago I left a 5 1/2 tpi rip saw to be sharpened at a local sharpening service. Some dunderhead mounted it in a saw filing machine and it emerged completely re-toothed as an 8 point crosscut saw. Needless to say I was some steamed!! Shortly thereafter an elderly gentleman in the neighborhood taught me how simple it is to sharpen handsaws and I’ve been filing my own ever since.
Mr. Paul sellers. Thank you so much for a shining example of calmness and craftsmanship. For all of the people who have a place they call their shop, I want to thank you. I couldn’t possibly explain my gratitude for you in a comment section. We thank you sir.
appreciate your enlarged replicas of the teeth configurations. you can go cross-eyed sharpening these things.
The clearest and most concise description and demonstration of rip and crosscut saws I have seen in my 60+ years!
I knew all of these from previous Paul Sellers videos. Watched this one two times till the end anyway.
I was literally just wondering this yesterday, bemoaning the dullness of my late grandfather's saw. I'm also going to rewatch your advice on saw sharpening. Thank you, sir.
Paul Sellers: a master preserving hand woodworking, handing it to the next generations. Truly dignified work. An invaluable endeavor. Much appreciated.
I really appreciate you going such an extra mile to make a model so that it is much more visually understandable. Thanks!
Beginner here, I thank you for sharing your knowledge Paul.
This is a lovely visual demonstration of the differences using those enlarged models. Effectively the rip cut is a series of chisel blades or plane blades along the length of the saw (and we know it is easier to plane with the grain). The cross-cut is a series of knives along the length of the saw.
So clear and concise. Love the oversized models to make it easy to see the tooth patterns, and the explainations on how and why the larger teeth act as they do in their respective cuts.
The best an simplest explanation about the Difference between Crosscut and Ripcut Saws in the whole RUclips! Thanks you very much Paul!
I needed a hand ripcut saw, but couldn't find one for purchase anywhere local. Thanks to your old video about sharpening and refinishing teeth, I was able to convert a crosscut saw into a ripcut.
Thankyou Paul --have now understood the difference ---most grateful for the tooth clarification !
Since I was a little kid I've wondered why it was so difficult to cut at the beginning of a cut(the blade bending when I go the opposite direction) and now 20 years later I finally know.
20 years ? Why take so long to know
@@green_building because the board always got cut :) I only worked with my dad when I was little, not much woodworking these days
Love the different tooth models. Much easier to visualize the difference between the two and how to sharpen. - Chris
Watched a few videos on the differences between rip & cross-cut saws, this is by far the best. Thanks for the lesson!
Most helpful explanation I have found yet thank you.
You figure it out quick when you have a Suizan double edged saw, but this helps explain it very nicely!
So clear! I had already learned this from you, but I really enjoy repeating the basics when you teach!
Thank you Paul. It's always good to be reminded of the basics of hand tool woodworking.
Clear, concise and super logical! Excellent video, thank you very much.
Thank you that was so brilliantly explained. I will always know now why some saws cut better than others in certain situations. Had not appreciated there was such a big difference between the teeth shapes.
Por fin entiendo la diferencia en tre los dos tipos de sierra y sé distinguirlas. Paul se ha tomado el trabajo de realizar un maqueta a gan tamaño para hacernos comprender las diferencias. ¡qué gran maestro! . Muchas gracias, es muy didáctico
great vid! Clear, informative and thorough, yet short. Thanks!
He actually explains it unlike other RUclipsrs
Thank you, uncle. Simple and helpful.
Keep it up. God bless.
Thank you Sir!
Well explained, thank you for this video!
Love your demonstration mock-ups! You’re an incredibly gifted educator; thank you!
I repeat the same thank you
Mr. Sellers for your know-how that some viewers said , i learned alot on how what a sharping of a saw is. Plus the fact of your wood samples of the difference in saw tooth structure procedures. I sharpen my saws before reaching your channel,jejeje my saw , saw no sharpness. A giant butterknife.
GodChrist Bless your works thanks.
PEACE 👍💯%👍👆🙏🌎🌍🌏😉 🍔☕🍻🍕
Great content delivered clearly as always. Sharpening a saw, even a rip cut pattern, is something I still find extremely difficult even after watching videos many times. I'm not sure I don't make things worse half the time
Perfectly done sir.
My way: Look at the saw sideways. If the teeth glean at the edge, it is a cross cut and if not then it is a rip cut saw.
I've an old Disston tenon saw that has a lever one side of the handle. When actuate the lever it loosens the the two bars that act as the spine (their riveted at the far end). That lets me remove the blade and flip it around. It has a cross cut grind on one side and a rip cut grind on the other. I can even choose how far the teeth come up past the spine so I can score pieces to a certain depth. It's such a simple but exeedingly clever design. By far the most interesting saw I own and my favorite.
One should have couple of crosscut teethes and couple of ripcut. than again 2 crosscut and 2 ripcut. ... Universal saw for the home :)
Thank you Paul for explanation!! My father had (have probably still) several saws, but I think they were all standard cross-cut.. And I remember I tried once to cut along the fibers and was swearing a lot because it just did not work. Saw just stuck inside jawing and fibering the wood. Than I got to know that there are these two types, but till looking at your saw sharpening videos I never knew the difference..
Thank you for the explanation in a great video. It is confusing and I think even in your video at 3:22 in you referred back to a cross-cut when in fact I think you meant to say rip-cut ?
What a great simple explanation. 👍
Thanks Paul, you made it simple and clear even for diy starters like me.
Which would be more effective for hand cutting mdf and ply?
Mind blown. Thank you for the explanation ❤
Great! I didn't even think it was that important. Thanks a lot
Thanks to understand about ripcut and crosscut saw.
Fantastic, Paul! Thanks a LOT! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I got it.
Thank You! Knowledge for life.
Great vid. Answered my questions.
Brilliant. So helpful thank you
Very well explained sir
Thanks for all these valuables informations... You are indeed a blessing.
Perfect video! Thank you so much
Superb explanation
Thanks for the refresher course.
I have a large vintage hand saw I'm restoring, and it looks so blunt I can't really tell where the sharpened edges of each tooth are or where they used to be. Each tooth is alternately turned outwards, however. Is there any other way to tell the difference, so I can sharpen it properly?
Lesson taught, Lesson learned thanks for the knowledge
I am a bit confused: At 1:40 you state the blade in your right hand is for rip-cut, but as I see it, you state at 3:22 that the cross-cut is more of a chisel. But it seems to me that you refer to the blade that you at 1:40 denoted a rip-cut. Have I misunderstood something here?
You're right, my mistake, but I think people will still understand it's a slip of the tongue from what they see. Thank you!
@@paulsellers7953 Do not mention it. This clip actually made me once and for all remember how to distinguish between a rip-cut and a cross-cut saw when you used the chisel analogy for the rip-cut blade.
Have been wondering about why we don't seem differentiating between rip and cross-cut for tenon and dovetail saws. Now as I understand it is unnecessary because of their small teeth. Thank you.
These cuts can be done with crosscut saws. Nonetheless, I do find it faster to use a rip cutting saw with tenons, dovetails, etc. Hardly notice it with small tenons but I recently did a workbench with 3" tenons and the difference was noticeable. I also tend to get a cleaner result with less need for cleanup.
I keep two tenon saws for this purpose. A cross cut one for the shoulders and a rip one for the tenon cheeks. I find it aids precision and speed. I have never got on cross cutting with rip teeth. Mind you that’s an order of magnitude easier than ripping with a crosscut saw.
Very informative thank you
Excellent explanation.
What is conventional tooth angle for two men saw? Thank you
Loved it! Thank you Mr. Paul
Paul, please, could you explain the difference between dovetail and tenon saw?
3:21 ripcut?
Oh yes, I got a little comfused here too...lol
The Saw File. Is it a standard 60° triangle or are they sharper angles for rip/crosscut tooth pattern?
Paul. Hi, I know it's quite some time since you did the saw sharpening. I've just bought 2 second hand saws that need sharpening. The file used is it a normal metal work or is the it a special file for saws. Kindest regards Geoff maddison
THanks once again. Always great information that you can rely upon.
thanks for the explanation.
One of the best contributers on you tube but the algorithms have hidden him recently FU YT. Big thanks to Mr Sellers you do so much for woodwork education you should get a mention on an honours list.
Thank You Paul!!! Great Info!!!! 👍😎
Nicely explained
Can you tell me what brand are those rectangular router planes are, the red one behind you. I saw you say that you would give that one away after getting more subscribers. I can't even find that style anywhere.
Thanks for sharing
Grateful for the information, but can you increase the effectiveness on the crosscut saw when ripping by lowering the arm to alter the angle of the teeth through the wood?
Very detailed explanation but one question. You say you sharpen your tenon saws in a rip saw pattern. Doesn't this have the same problems cutting across the grain?
Very good videos and always on the lookout for new ones.
Thanks so much for the video, that makes my sharpening a lot easier
Thanks Paul for sharing your knowledge! What do you recommend for re-sawing hardwood in terms of tpi/ppi?
Thank you very much.
Have a nice day Sir.
This is the stuff that we, the new ones, need
Thank you for this video.
Thank you very helpful as I’m a beginner
I see now that with the rip cut sharpening that when it's used to rip the edge of each tooth is perpendicular to the fibers of the wood; when a rip-sharpened blade is wrongly used to cross cut the edge of each tooth is parallel to the fibers and so can only push on the fibers and snap, not cut, them off.
Thank you for this.
can you turn one saw into the other by sharpening ? or is it better to by rip cut
I’m just starting out, so the terminology is still somewhat unfamiliar, and this is the first Paul Sellers video I’ve watched, but my head was spinning by the end of the video. My own learning style depends on a slightly more “composed” narration, and I found Paul’s extemporaneous style a bit meandering. I did appreciate the blown up models.
Amazing!!! ❤
Thank you
Thank you very clear
Excellent explanation. Following the description was like working out Bilbo Baggin's 111st birthday speech, but I managed...
Thank you Sir...
Thank you!
Simple. Brilliant.
Very helpfull
very good Sir.
The master has spoken.
Can you mention all types tools used by carpenter
So good
First time to know that. Thank you so much...
Thank you.
Thank you so much! :)
I never knew !!!!!
Thank you !!!!
Thankyou Paul.
That's what I did want to know the difference between the two