Is The New RSI Arrastra Worth It?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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The Arrastra is the do it all package. You've got the mining ship, the cargo ship, the refining ship, and the escort ship, all in one.
This ship is the Carrack of mining. I'm not really surprised by the price and can only see it going up. An 'endgame' ship with a price to match.
I think the balance with the Mole is gonna be operation cost. They may have similar crew numbers tho you can and probably want to fit an extra person or 2 on the Arrastra and it's definitely a lot pricier (also in-game later). I can imagine it not being worth taking out the Arrastra if you really just wanna do a quick mining run with 4 people. The Arrastra is more what you send out to crack bigger rocks and do more mining to come back with those 512 SCU and maybe something special. It even looks like you hit the throttle and blow your first small rock worth of income on fuel. I get the idea of "it's just a better Mole" but that's (for me at least) because I like big self sufficient ships. I wouldn't go out for a little bit of Mole mining because it's just a too small ship for my taste. I want the mining brick.
Yep, there’s immediate differentiation by the size rocks you can hit. Arrastra enabled me to let the Orion go. What I miss more is the Prospector that is now executable to Mole for fleet ‘complete’. I’m very much a fan of not forcing people to get protection.
Still can't get over the price. Seems pretty steep for the ship itself. Was expecting $500 max. Was going to be a must buy but now I am rethinking the purchase and if I really need it. For $75 more the orion just seems to be the better choice.
100% where im at, although ofcourse ill have both tyty. I think biggest thing like we discussed on stream, says a lot more about the udnerpricing of the orion, and confirms just how far away it is.
@@Croncythis could also point to how close the arrastra is, if it’s into greybox. That said CIG needs to finish the Expanse and make the prospector and mole bags work, or else send them all back for reconcepting
@@GraphiteSCOrion is listed as pretty much same crew size as the Arrastra 4 min, 7 max
@@GraphiteSC Oh definitely. As much as I LOVE the style and idea of the Orion and want it to be my main, I know it's going to have a ton of upkeep and relying on friends being online.
I was excited for the Arrastra and I love the design of it but I'm on the 'price is a little steep' side. Especially with prices going up every sale. It does have the refinery and cargo though but yea, a little on the fence myself. Decided not to grab one for now.
@@ProPotato AM i wrong to see 2min and 5 max on RSI website for Arrasta?
This thing is really underwhelming, and it feels like they phoned in almost everything. The aesthetic of the ship feels like an RSI combat ship they grabbed out of a folder and hastily converted over. It only needs one more crew than the MOLE despite being huge. The interior accessed remote turrets are cool but it doesn't appear (although we don't know since they didn't bother with any interior layout showcase!) to have considered storing extra heads/modules to swap around, or access to the lasers to do that. The ROC mining feels very tacked on, too; the crew count doesn't really work well for ROC + ship mining, and the ship itself is way too big for ROC mining from it to be anything but a meme.
The whole thing seems like it was designed without any mining players or mining gameplay designers in the room, and the whole sale feels a little slapped together; no interior layout, no high-res pics, relatively little concept art, and they barely had anything to really say about it on ISC. But a $575 asking price, of course. The vibe is mostly "we really didn't want 'RSI miner' to win the poll, we didn't wanna make this thing."
Don't like it - don't buy it. Vote with your wallet - we all do.
I’ve noticed this change since Paul Jones left the team.
@@madgiecool don't like to read thoughts, don't hang out in the comments.
One question that really needs answering is if like the Orion, this is only meant to mine asteroids. Sure it can land and can carry ground vehicles but is it designed to hover, etc, and be able to mine rocks on a surface?
its true that the Orion is only $75 more than the Arrastra but the crew size required and cost to maintain the Orion is larger and more expensive. Choosing between the Arrastra and the Orion depends on wether the buyer is in a small or big group.
The RSI Arrastra is a Size 3 Mining Head Mole, with MUCH more cargo space, better armament, and its own refiner. Basically a small-scale Mining Platform where as the Orion, for (now) only $75 more and is the Mega Mining Platform and will likely have massive overhead and maintenance costs. Works fine as I see it.
I think there should be asteroids that can only be breakable by the Orion, or the Arrastra and impossible for a single mole or prospector
They should be gigantic asteroids with great hardness.
There will be
I am tempted to get it but the closest CCU IS the hull D a
I also have this ship now. I buy ships like a crazy person and I know that. Looks are important to me. I love the design of the ship way more than the Mole. But I also hope that there is a place for both ships. I really enjoy finding random friends in this game and putting together a rag tag grp for all kinds of missions. I just hope that they make it almost impossible to solo this ship like you can with the Mole. I don't know what other people think about the refining process but I would love it if they made an entire job around it. Like something where the better and more efficient you get at it the more you can earn. By way of filtering out the unwanted materials or whatever by some kind of gameplay that the person doing the refining takes care of. And maybe even harsh consequences if they mess up while refining quant. Just my two cents. But I see a huge potential with people getting to take care of refining like they talk about with engineering. I can't believe how exciting things have become with this game over the past year. I know its still going to be years before a lot of it is in game but man its fun just to think about it.
I bought the ship with credit JUST incase the Orion doesn’t have it as a loaner. I’ll melt it the second that is verified
I shouldn't have, but I did buy the Warbond edition. I also grabbed a CCU for the Orion...soooo, ya, I spend too much.. also getting the Crucible, Endeaver, Merchantman, Syulen, and the Galaxy (the Galaxy may get returned as it is hasn't been upgraded from my Retaliator). I did melt several I have had and found I don't use.
No body noticed Orion went up in price?
Orion price increase was announced a few weeks ago
ofc a 130M long mining ship is better than a 30M mining ship, sounds normal to me.
Considering a Orion over Arrastra need more reflexion, as the Orion may only land on cities, it's 350M long
Im only interested in corvette sized ships myself for purchase. (still waiting...) I also like salvage and mining. So the Arrastra is a win for me. However I still will not buy into any concept ship. Then sit content with myself waiting around for the next decade to see it happen, as has been the common theme. Seems CIG is getting faster at ship production. But the likelihood of waiting over five years is too high for me to buy this one until it is actually announced. So I wont be buying this concept or any. Even if I really like the design and it fits what I want to experience.
I disagree mate. This is still no where's near what the Orion was concepted as; a rock harvester. I feel the Arrastra is more a MOLE Plus+. It's like you asked a hundred MOLE owners what they would want if they could redesign and upscale the MOLE.
Orion, will 100% be reworked and will see a price point north of $1000 at this rate.
You missed the Flight Mode size for the Arrastra. Its 124M long and 64M wide in Flight Mode.
If the price bothers you buy a ccu from the valk to the gal for $5 wait till the gal is close to flight ready in 2025 the price should shoot up then ccu the gal to.the arrasta problem solved.
for that price you also get a ship for low sec Ares no all ships need to be able to defend them self so smaller ship that have nothing to risk not just can take you that easy they need to rework the mole os delete it make a new ship insted of the mole becouse the mole is gabis 3 reasons its not a solo miner most people play 2 man gaming an the Arrastre the only reson i did buy that ship is becaose it can be fly by 2 man an you dont need to up out an down stairs to get to the turrent
this shipsis the Concept i am going with becouse this ship fit the style of game pley i want to pley
the mole need to total rework to be frank an it needs alest 140-150 scu for a 3 man mining ship so they also feel they are making money the works on that ship 96 SCU is way to low build a new mole ship an faster an not that clumpsy to fly
the mole are not ment to be a huge Rock miner like the ARRASTRE that can not mine small rocks that the mole can mine you can not compair the ships like that
The Arrester need to be able to defend it self so it can operate in criminell space you Risk alot more becouse of refinery an the SCU when you die you die with many millions saller ships need to chose their taget wisely you do not sent a friget vs a hangership right so you force people to join up to take the Bigger ships down.
But that sweet sweet nocturnal paint....chefs kiss
I actually sold my Orion to buy the Arrastra. The Orion is just so much ship. Too much to use daily I think.
I grabbed a Nox and the Expanse. I was holding out for the Arrastra however I think CIG needs to get a bit of a grip on their pricing model. Been backing since 2012 and recently reached High Admiral. That being said, Chris, the well has run dry.
What do you mean the well has ran dry? The amount of sales this year beat last years, (I believe) or was set to beat last years IAE, which, as we know, the most successful one.
From the looks of it, its never been more full.
@@badbutton5869DISCLAIMER: My opinions are relative to my own lens any sort of business analysis on the fiscal state of CIG, it's backers or whether it is going to rain/snow this week. For me, personally, the well has run dry.
I do wish i could afford this beauty, but i cannot for the life of me justify a mole as a 350 dollar loaner. Lol
they mentiones planetary mining would be possible with the arrastra. i don't see that with the Orion
I was shopping for the Expanse to buddy up with my Mole and Roc. Poof... Okay okay so now I'm an Arrastra commander. It includes everything I hoped for in mining-ware.
The mole is gone, bring on the Arrastra. I have many hundreds of hours in the mole and it was a hard decision for sure. At the end I could only see one down side, I will miss the immersion of sitting in the turret on the laser, sadly all remote turrets in the Arrastra.
Doesn't interest me, but bumping the algorythm
I bought the CCU upgrade for the Arrastra because it looks to have all the stuff I wished the Mole would have. I also love the look of it way better than the Mole's industrial/boxy design. Totally agree that the price is high. But I'm excited at the prospect of getting this playable relatively soon.
Too steep of a price, and too close to the Orion to seriously consider.
They wanted a ship to bridge the gap between the Mole and the Orion. So they put up the price near the Orion old price. This doesn't bridge a gap, it increased the gap.
I think they realized that both this ship and the orion need to go up in pirce. The orion is a capital ship, so even at it's new price of $650 it's a steal compared to any other capital sized ship.
And I think it’s a bit overpriced!
Just picked up an upgrade to the Orion
My gameplay is heavily industry. I almost got the ship but then thought what am I gonna earn in game if I buy everything lol. I have a reclaimer and plan on using that to build up from there. I’ll start by earning a cargo ship then a mole and go between those game loops to earn my bigger ships! Mole to Arrastra to Orion and so on lol Just my opinion, curious to see what everyone thinks.
the only thing i grabbed was the syulen and i've been roving through the system with it , doing missions, never looking back at IAE again.. well, until I wanted to pick some IAE2953 t shirts and hope they'll persist beyond this patch.
Gotta love everyone saying "JUST get an Orion" when that thing is 3x as big (already, who knows if it will grow more) and will for sure require twice the crew or more by the time all is said and done. The Orion is a beautiful ship and has amazing capabilities, but it's a VERY different level of use case to the Arrastra. If you want to mine almost anything on a regular basis, the Arrastra is the all-around best option. If you want to strip-mine massive quantities of materials for weeks on end as part of a big Org mission, the Orion is the way to go. This is much better for a small group of friends who want to mine regularly and not be forced to mine in space all the time or worry about being able to store your ship since we still don't know everything about space-bound capitals yet. Buy big and earn down is a good thing to keep in mind when fleet building but it's not always practical to go the biggest possible.
Reason were saying get the Orion instead is for value. You could always melt the Orion later to buy the arrastra, especially as it will almost certainly be the loaner for it when it's out.
From a new money standpoint of buying either one outright I can understand that, since ideally the Arrastra won't go above what the Orion current sits at, but if someone has been building a chain with a lot of savings and goes to the Orion now and it's well outside their capabilities to crew or doesn't end up being as versatile as they would like then melting that could only give them a fraction of what the Arrastra would cost down the line. I appreciate the videos and I get where you're coming from, but the Orion is like the Endeavor where it will for sure skyrocket and is a massive value, but a value that could be entirely lost on someone who is ill-prepared to face the amount of work and crewing that a ship that massive will entail. That said people should always do their research and look into the ships when they're spending this much so I hope everyone makes the choice that's right for them and enjoys their ships. :) @@Croncy
@@Craggon 100% can't fault you!
I upgraded the Hull D to this.
... got one
Thank you for the video :D
Hmh ofcourse a ship like a mole will be not enough after some point. When i forget the ship store for a moment and i have only an avenger or something else maybe a C1 or freelancer, i start mining with my hands buy or rent and Roc first, get one day a prospector, buy later a prospector and another day i fly my mole. When i have enough money i will have the Arrastra and when i get really rich and big as a miner, i want to fly the orion. Naturally every ship will get old and not enough for any captain one day. But the question is, Do you want it now or later in game?? The question is not whether arrastra makes mole useless, but whether I skip the entire game chain and start straight away with closer to the endgame
Price was as expected for me. It’s freaking carrack sized and the ultimate mining multicrew ship. I picked one up but I pick up one of pretty much everything 😅
MOLE is not made useless by Arrastra. MOLE has more maneuvering agility and can be crewed nicely with only two for a quicker mining session.
I've got both the Orion and the Arrastra and I'll get the smaller mining rigs in game as well, they'll all have advantages depending on a ton of variables. I also hope we'll see more mining ships at the Prospector and Mole sizes, I'd be really disappointed if we don't see more from other manufacturers for variety and personal tastes.
I do like that it is a total play game loop which you can add by using a friend in a cargo ship so you can stay out even longer. Now you need at least at minimum 4 people during mining you have 3 on mining lasers and 1 on engineering/refinery. During combat you can have 1 pilot and 2 on turret and 1 on engineering / turret.
Ya, the Mole needs a bit of a rework now in some way. honestly not sure though
Sounds legit. The 3.19/3.20 mining changes made the Prospector useless, seems only fair that the next mining release will make the MOLE useless. Of course price is the main factor.
I love how people got so used to the absolutely broken, untenable meta of "you can do everything with a prospector" that the second they balanced the mining loop in an actual rational way the prospector was deemed "useless."
The arrastra just makes the mole look stupid. Why would you 3-4man the mole and not an arrastra? Happened to many ships when new ones were released.
They really should focus on the old ships for a change
This clickbait is ridiculous. ITS AN INTERMEDIUM MINING SHIP.
It's the size of a carrack what are you talking about medium
INTERLARGE MINING SHIP
Bro tried so hard to look smart. Lol
nope . spend only 75 more to get the big boy. Maybe if they said how long it would be in dev for. could be a year or more. also the 525 is just a gab filler should have been 350 maybe 400 the most.
It is definitely expensive but it does combine the ability to mine and refine. The only other ships we know that have this capability are the odyssey which is currently $700 and orion which is currently $650 (and will go up in price). So from that perspective it's cheaper than any other option.
The mole doesn't feel pointless to me because of the price point and operation costs. It's nearly half the price of this. There will be plenty of people who aren't going to want to spend this much on a mining ship but want the ability to multi crew mine and I feel like THAT'S where the mole fits in. However, I agree they will probably do more to differentiate the two ships.
It has the ability to mine and refine, but for the same 5 people and $100 less you could pick up a MOLE and an Expanse, lol.
the mole need to be designet over tar it down an build a new Mole ship that also can Carry 150 SCU an bring the crew together in 1 room make it faster to move also its way to small SCU an the speed an defensive is totally shit
the ARRAstre can go whare the mole not can go also it canot mine smaller Rocks with Size 3 lasers so there is plenty to do for the Mole an prospector an the Exspends the Arrstre is also design for low sec space to defend it selv vs pirets an smaller ships to that price i think its fair that Pirats just cant come in a smaller ship an shoot you like that an they need to pick easyer tagets or come in grups bigger ships also need to have alot better defens options.
I got it!
$575 for a virtual spaceship literally a car payment for the month...no it is not worth it.
I think that the Arrastra is a very small but much appreciated step away from the absolutely smooth brained idea that non-combat ships should simply be easy prey. SC is a piracy simulator first and foremost (and anyone telling you otherwise has never played a PvP MMO). For anyone to fly anything other than a gunship, it needs to be able to defend itself, escort or not.