I'm hoping they pull an infinity war with the next one. Y'know have the humans win with the protags all sad and defeated to set up the next sequel that I will inevitably never watch.
Irrel Avant I remember watching the movie with my (then 8-year-old) younger brother back in 2009. After the movie, my bro told me: I want the humans to win- they’re cool, they’ve got guns, and they’re not ugly.
I thought it was stupid that the Na'vi beasts won that. They were outmanned, out gunned, and only won cause they.......committed beastiality across the entire planet to bring in beasts of all kinds against superior human equipment and personnel. Its propaganda my friends. The SecOps are on their way back.
Established aspects of a fictional world working in a characters favour in a reasonable way is not ”plot-armour”... I swear, the hate against this movie is nothing but a meme.
I found it weird how you didn't mention that the humans were nerfed in their technology and weapons while on Pandora. The RDA was forced to downgrade a lot of their equipment and even replace the materials used to build some of the equipment, just so that it wouldn't be affected by Pandora's magnetic fields. So anyone wondering where are the railguns and laser weapons and all that, they're all on Earth and its colonies.
it's mainly because of targetting issues. in the movie they said that they couldn't guide missiles to the soul tree because of the electronic field which is bs IMO. you can manually guide a missile via camera.
It astounds me how SecOps can use technology that transports you into another body, but can't create a glass hard enough to protect from shattering/breaking or have a camera that simulates glass...
Of course you need a bayonet. These xenos take several rounds to put down and running out of ammo is a greater risk than it would be when fighting humans.
When it comes to my thoughts with Aliens I align myself with the Stargate group. I will be friendly with aliens if they play nice. If they act aggressive its ass whooping time.
Only a fool will punch anything they see. If the aliens in question show no aggression I see no need to fight. Yet also be aware for a dagger in the back. A plan should be put in place just in case the aliens prove to have motives that don’t a line with humanity’s best interest.
On the other hand, they had some flaws too. Despite introducing the concept of an Alpha Site (offworld base to act as an evacuation area) they never developed it. Why risk Earth to things like black holes, time loops and ancient weapons when you could be risking a small offworld base instead? Why is the Alpha Site only evacuated to in the event of Goa'Uld invasion, when humanity should be colonising every not previously inhabited but habitable world they can find? Why use the Earth stargate for exploration when powering it apparently costs so much? Use it when its needed, let the exploration happen from other sites. I love Stargate as a series, but damn if there weren't some missed opportunities.
ahh the naivete of the in experianced. I prefur the imperium of mans approach. leave non-threat xenos alone but only act friendly if there is a worse enemy to fight (like a few times they allied with various xenos temporarily) or if they prove themselves a good ally (like the ynnari eldar)
Sec Ops is basically a PMC. And they use a century old tech (in-Universe) because 2154 technology has problems working in powerful electromagnetic fields, and more importantly, is costlier to replace, while all the RDA vehicles are dirt-cheap and is constructed on-site by stereolitographic plants. Not to menton they are outnumbered so heavilly, they each can shoot like 100 natives and STILL lose by attrition (Hellgate garrison with all the miners being armed was like three hundred men + pilots). Hope the REAL army show up... In the sequels.
@Joshua N. Ajang Depends on a military. It was said that RDA SecOps *worldwide* (I.e. in it's entirety in the Solar System and beyond) are in the ten most powerful armies of the world, but considering the gap between real life "top" militaries and the rest of the world it's safe to assume that RDA's forces are equal in power to something like modern day Spain or Italy; pretty well equipped and trained, but nowhere near on the level to project power beyond securing the basic corporate interests.
You know what I just realised? They said they couldn’t use guided munitions near the tree of souls because of some bs jamming of guidance systems. Whelk unguided munitions from a stand-off range won’t have that problem. Some good old fashioned unguided howitzers would take care of that. And if they were just gonna drop some dumb bombs like they did in the movie, have them fly higher above the banshees and just resort to carpet bombing. They can even also use their gunships and have them fire unguided rocket pods from standoff range.
There is an epilogue to Avatar that was deleted. When they get back to the ship, director Parker Selfridge orders the removal of one of the sub light engines of the interstellar transport, and aims it at the Tree of Souls where all the Navi military and the traitor Jake Sully are gathered. They trigger it and it slams into the planet, wiping out all surface life for 200 kilometers. While the engine was expensive, it was more than compensated for by the availability and lower running cost for follow up mining, considering the greatly reduced security situation and easy accessibility of mineral deposits now exposed. In addition all the mining facilities were outside the blast radius and the ship didn't have enough space for all the evacuated personnel, so really it was the best option from a cost benefit and crew safety perspective.
He could have just done a fly by of the moon with the engines pointed at the surface. That could have easily scorched half of the surface into a nightmarish hellscape.
Thank you American Ben, your thoughtful analysis and careful explanation has changed my mind. I now think this well led group could dig in and defend itself just long enough to be rescued ..... .... By the Imperial Guard.
Really the imperial guard? Don't get me wrong they are pretty effective but I feel like they'd lose more lives getting to a rescue mission than they'd save on it. These are the guys who's only strategy is the Zap Branagan set kill limit strategy
@@noneedtoknow07, there is not alot of things on padora that the guard cant kill. The catachan jungle fighters would consider it a vacation and the death korps of krieg would turn the planet into a wasteland
RND just needs to replace that big window with cameras connected to a vr helmet so the pilot could still look around as normal without the giant window that leaves them vulnerable.
Perhaps you should take a look at the octopus and the cuttlefish. Those creatures seem even more dangerous than dolphins, not the least because of their camouflaging ability, but also the ability of some octopus species in Australia to _travel on land_ to hunt.
I disagree with counting ''weak enemy'' as an advantage. For starters, you didn't list something like ''strong enemies'' as a weakness for the others. Also, the Marines aren't going to go up against the Navi. They're going up against the other marines. By your logic, the Imperial Guard will lose automatically because their enemies include Chaos and the Necron, even though that's not who they will be fighting in the match up.
They wont be fighting the other marines. Its just a compilation of advantages which put them either above or a disadvantage that puts them below other marines.
Agreed. If anything, as American Ben alluded to, "weak enemies" should be a flaw, not a strength: the SecOps _lost_ to the Navi, after all. I mean, maybe he meant that of all the different units analyzed, the SecOps had gear that was best-suited to dealing with their opponents, rather than the more common approach of "well, this is what we have, so this is what we'll use" like with the UNSC. Their rifles are generally good, as far as bullet hoses go, but they're not really specialized in taking down Covenant shields. By comparison, the rifles, grenades, autocannons, machine guns, and so on of the SecOps are pretty much exactly what you'd want against an enemy like the Navi. ...But even there, it's hard to say that the SecOps's weapons were the _most_ effective in their intended role. The USCM's flamethrowers and explosive-tipped ammunition were absolute murder on the Xenomorphs, even if they weren't specifically designed with them in mind, the Republic equipped their Clone Troopers with blasters optimized for use against droids, and the Mars-pattern lasgun is pretty much the sweet spot between firepower, durability, weight, reliability, and ease of manufacture. The Mobile Infantry and UNSC rightly lost points for using machine guns instead of something more advanced, given the enemies they faced and the period they exist in, but if Ben is going to say the SecOps had the best guns for their situation, then he and I will disagree.
Weak Opponents are a Disadvantage in defeat you lost to a weak Opponent Which basically makes you weak in Victory you defeated a weaker opponent not an Impressive Feat Considering even the Worse Army in the World can raid a Unprotected Village for Example Also the Marines didn't necessarily have Weapons that are Specifically suited to Fight Navi it's more like the Navi are Humanlike and therefore are Vulnerable to All Kinds of Weapons if anything their Gear is badly Designed theirs Mechs are exposing pretty much their Entire Body covering it with Bulletproof Glass Which is Useless against Spears thrown by Bows wielded by Superhumans same Goes for their Vehicles their Masks (that can be easily Damaged or Taken off)and the fact they wear Armour that makes them less maneuverable (and won't do shit against Spears or Giant Monsters)
Then Again technically their enemy isn't only the Navi but the Tree Like Entity that has control over every single life form of the Planet and that's a way deadlier and Strong foe
As they say in Mass Effect, "Offer one hand, but arm the other" I'm willing to play friendly, only if they are willing to do so too. even the Imperium Space Marines has joined with aliens a few times, such as the Eldar and Tau, to stop larger threats. but as soon as those aliens betray me, I'll forgive them like a Blood Raven forgives a hideous mutant that taints the very air it breathes
The Navi were actually really organised in the final battle and had the aid of a ton of wildlife intervening so I’d say the Secops had more on their hands as they were in fact outnumbered.
3:53 I'm pretty sure it's said in movie that even if they don't die to the arrows they'll still die to the powerful poison that Na'Vi lace their arrows with.
I think they're the best cause you can easily tell they had actual former Soldiers and Marines in the movie. Especially in that scene in the hovercraft one of the guys is pulling a wounded man back before he blasts a blue bastard out the back hatch.
at how you described during the first seconds the avatar space marines i think that in that universe imperial guard and even the stormtroopers would've done a better job against those xenos
The marines in Avatar operate pretty much like the US military, and we know that while they're willing to annihilate any potential spotted hostile, they want to keep as many options, and thus they send small teams of troops and crewmen with the best enough tech and ammo for the mission. With this, the team in question has to make use of what they have effectively, especially with the mounting cost of tech-tree development. In a sense, the marines from Avatar were meant to let us down.
For the first example That was what I was thinking the humans could make the perfect Apex hunter to fight the Avatars and have humans control them from the space ship. From what I understand the links don’t really have that much range restrictions at all. Thus the humans could send down superior forms and beasts to fight for them at the cost of little to no human life.
The links being practically unlimited is actually a good point to adress, and something i’ve *never* seen brought up before. Still, it’s explained that the Avatars are EXTREMELY expensive to produce, so creating even a single ”apex predator” from scratch would probably be near impossible, realistically speaking.
The biggest problem is that those guys aren't marines, just some security operators. I'm pretty sure actual military in the Avatar universe has much, much better stuff.
The arrows have the size of spears and the tips are poisoned. Since the bow is a draw-strength based weapon, the strength requiered to shot those giant arrows is more than enough to knock down any human and to cause massive Internal bleeding. If the arrow itself doesn't kill you, you have only minutes to live before the poison kills you.
You should do one of how ODST could possibly be used or a form of them could realistically appear in the USMC/Space Force and the possible tech they could actually use
I guarantee that in the sequels, the humans will come back not in mech suits, or in Avatars of Blue Cats, but in bio-engineered, 30 foot tall half dinosaur, half human, heavily armed and armored death monsters.
The only two real reasons the Sec ops lost were lack of proper plot armor, and the traitorous, dolphin loving, "humans" who were supposed to be the "good guys"
I want to point out that SecOps DIDNT LOSE TO THE NAVI!!! The SecOps handily won their battle until a literal act of God swarmed the out numbered troopers.
SecOps lost because literally all life on pandora fought them. All Navi warriors in the area. All flora and all fauna. All life even the Apex Thanators joined in. SecOps lost because they were basically outnumbered 50:1
Did the humans really need the stuff from Pandora for humanities survival? I remember it being very valuable, but I can't remember it being mentioned as a necessity.
@@joshuawilliams9020 Well then the humans aren't the big assholes that they appeared to me when I originally watched the movie. Though I still have my doubts that they couldn't get the stuff somewhere else or that they needed to bomb the Na'vi for human survival.
@@Neonsilver13 Surely there are asteroids to mine in the Alpha Centauri system that are rich in the unobtanium. More pure minerals & no need to risk anything on Pandora. Only idiots invade planets for what they can get easier in space.
@z aciles In the second one, yes. In the first one it was the scientists who had the Avatar bodies and the facility to link with them, not the Marines. It was explained how expensive these Avatars were, so there were only a few around.
The RDA are pretty good, but charged head first into a close range ambush where they couldn't use their long range weaponry, which even basic recon should have showed them. Personally, I think they should have hunkered down at Hell's Gate, fortified the base, cleared the forest back a few hundred yards, and used their aircraft to harass enemy troops approaching the base, if the Brits could pull it off with way fewer advantages at Rorke's Drift the Secops could easily pull it off against the Navi.
I should say tho that bringing the appropriate tools for the job is an advantage which requires knowing thy foe so it is good that their guns worked as well as they did but they should have known that beastiality could be weaponised and equiped themselves accordingly
I know that the Astartes have titans but I don't know if the average Imperial guard army has them. If they do then nothing that the other marines have can even compare to them
The problem with this series is that objective comparisons have been made impossible by strange weaknesses and strengths. I'll release my own version on the Imperial Guard Video soon.
The Biotech they use to create the Avatars could easily be used to create Super Soldiers that are capable of surviving on Pandora and throwing down with the Navi in Combat.
In the second movie I am sure that little to no chances of a solution other than violence or mercy with be given to the Na'vi when the humans haul their military's and nukes over to pandora to save their race
I’d give them a 4 or 5 out of 5 There probably the best on this list with the unsc giving them a run for there money Problems no exo suits/power armor no railguns no genetic modification no cybernetic Advantages Mechs good military tactics Good space travel good modern day weapons very good bullets Good armor very good air craft And superconductors
@@igorwojtyna2158 the UNSC, Imperial Guard, and Republic Clone Army all seem a good notch above all of their counterparts on this list. The clones come in a clean 3rd to me, but I feel the fight between UNSC and IG is a lot muddier.
That HotHead Officer let us down. He made tactically flawed decision. Space shuttle could of and should of flow into orbit with the payload. Come down from orbit over zoodo tree and drop it's payload
I mean sure the humans were greedy and didn’t care about the natives, but they still could’ve coexist with the the Navi but the Navi were still in their primitive stage and didn’t know what the concept of private property
And they totally deserved to be slaughtered for being enormous egocentric close-minded pricks who refused to recognize that cooperation always beats competition. Jarheads indeed.
We actually already know how to fix broken spine, or at least replace it. In the EU if you have enough money you can do that ! (Or should be able to, in the near future)
on the point of their medical tech prevention is better than a cure if they are woonded to the point they can't or shouldn't fight the your fighting power has just decreased unlike if they hadn't been wounded in the first place
Fun fact: the “marines” in avatar technically aren’t marines. I mean, they are in the sense that they served in the Marine Corps but it is mentioned by Jake that they’re now hired guns, not to mention that “secops” isn’t any military force but a company. This would make these soldiers more like pmcs or private military contractors
I wouldn't get my hopes up for the next avatar film. We all know it's going to be foul anti human xeno propaganda.
Ugh probably funded by the tau. It sickens me
They're just animals man
It'll be complete heresy.
Xenos are just resources afterall
I'm hoping they pull an infinity war with the next one. Y'know have the humans win with the protags all sad and defeated to set up the next sequel that I will inevitably never watch.
I am glad to find out I am not the only one who found them self rooting for the humans in the movie Avatar.
Humanity first
It’s the entire reason I hate the movie. Humanity got robbed of an easy win
Irrel Avant I remember watching the movie with my (then 8-year-old) younger brother back in 2009.
After the movie, my bro told me: I want the humans to win- they’re cool, they’ve got guns, and they’re not ugly.
I thought it was stupid that the Na'vi beasts won that. They were outmanned, out gunned, and only won cause they.......committed beastiality across the entire planet to bring in beasts of all kinds against superior human equipment and personnel.
Its propaganda my friends. The SecOps are on their way back.
Im not racist, specist fuck yes, fuc k those blue beastiality loving space maggots...
For an inter species porn film the production value is pretty impressive.
Damn smurfs had plot armor
They already lose to SECOPS force, but the plot armor help them by throwing all animals at SECOPS. :(
DAMN BLUE SMURFS!
What are you talking about the ultramarines had training that outclassed any type of xeno
@@sicarius6501 I casto sacarious is the greatest swordman
And their fucking Primarch... Oh other smurfs with plot armour
Established aspects of a fictional world working in a characters favour in a reasonable way is not ”plot-armour”...
I swear, the hate against this movie is nothing but a meme.
I found it weird how you didn't mention that the humans were nerfed in their technology and weapons while on Pandora. The RDA was forced to downgrade a lot of their equipment and even replace the materials used to build some of the equipment, just so that it wouldn't be affected by Pandora's magnetic fields. So anyone wondering where are the railguns and laser weapons and all that, they're all on Earth and its colonies.
Me and the boys are currently strapping a bunch of them to the ISV venture star RN to blow them up from orbit
it's mainly because of targetting issues. in the movie they said that they couldn't guide missiles to the soul tree because of the electronic field which is bs IMO. you can manually guide a missile via camera.
@@Ghostsolosfr would require modification but i can see it as posible.
@@Ghostsolosfr As for anyone saying; "bhut muh EMF!" Radio waves are hard to affect by EMF.
According to the AVATAR wiki, the RDA was in reality just as powerful if not more so than Earth’s governments.
The problem with the mech suit?
The giant glass bubble. Doesn't need to be there. It's a giant weak spot.
Its for visibility. Especially in an environment that likes to mess with electronics.
Maybe thicker glass, but yes in a conventional war it should be armor plating with multiple cameras.
Indeed, it is a good design overall. But the dam glass bubble have to go, bullet proof glass or not it is still not as strong as proper armor.
It astounds me how SecOps can use technology that transports you into another body, but can't create a glass hard enough to protect from shattering/breaking or have a camera that simulates glass...
Considering mining vehicles on pandora use cameras w/ no difficulties the techs would have been fine with extra armor and cameras
The Sec Ops had one major flaw, no plot armour.
Oh ya
The Smurfs(Ultramarines,Na-Vi)
Does it really need the under-barrel bayonet? Questionable...questionable, but America!
instant upvote
EVERY GUN NEEDS A BAYONETTE!
FOR CHARGING AT TITANS!
When they get close to the Navi, why waste a bullet when you can give them 2 feet of Fuck you?
@@tau-5794 "Drive me closer I wish to hit them with my sword"
@@tau-5794 Krieger: "sad shovel noises"
Of course you need a bayonet. These xenos take several rounds to put down and running out of ammo is a greater risk than it would be when fighting humans.
When it comes to my thoughts with Aliens I align myself with the Stargate group. I will be friendly with aliens if they play nice. If they act aggressive its ass whooping time.
Only a fool will punch anything they see. If the aliens in question show no aggression I see no need to fight. Yet also be aware for a dagger in the back. A plan should be put in place just in case the aliens prove to have motives that don’t a line with humanity’s best interest.
@@MandalorV7 agreed
On the other hand, they had some flaws too. Despite introducing the concept of an Alpha Site (offworld base to act as an evacuation area) they never developed it. Why risk Earth to things like black holes, time loops and ancient weapons when you could be risking a small offworld base instead? Why is the Alpha Site only evacuated to in the event of Goa'Uld invasion, when humanity should be colonising every not previously inhabited but habitable world they can find? Why use the Earth stargate for exploration when powering it apparently costs so much? Use it when its needed, let the exploration happen from other sites.
I love Stargate as a series, but damn if there weren't some missed opportunities.
It's a learning experience for them
ahh the naivete of the in experianced. I prefur the imperium of mans approach. leave non-threat xenos alone but only act friendly if there is a worse enemy to fight (like a few times they allied with various xenos temporarily) or if they prove themselves a good ally (like the ynnari eldar)
Sec Ops is basically a PMC. And they use a century old tech (in-Universe) because 2154 technology has problems working in powerful electromagnetic fields, and more importantly, is costlier to replace, while all the RDA vehicles are dirt-cheap and is constructed on-site by stereolitographic plants. Not to menton they are outnumbered so heavilly, they each can shoot like 100 natives and STILL lose by attrition (Hellgate garrison with all the miners being armed was like three hundred men + pilots).
Hope the REAL army show up...
In the sequels.
send the Vietcong to Pandora
@Joshua N. Ajang Depends on a military. It was said that RDA SecOps *worldwide* (I.e. in it's entirety in the Solar System and beyond) are in the ten most powerful armies of the world, but considering the gap between real life "top" militaries and the rest of the world it's safe to assume that RDA's forces are equal in power to something like modern day Spain or Italy; pretty well equipped and trained, but nowhere near on the level to project power beyond securing the basic corporate interests.
You know what I just realised? They said they couldn’t use guided munitions near the tree of souls because of some bs jamming of guidance systems. Whelk unguided munitions from a stand-off range won’t have that problem. Some good old fashioned unguided howitzers would take care of that. And if they were just gonna drop some dumb bombs like they did in the movie, have them fly higher above the banshees and just resort to carpet bombing. They can even also use their gunships and have them fire unguided rocket pods from standoff range.
You don't even have to get that complex or close. Artillery could of hit it miles away and been way more cost effective.
There is an epilogue to Avatar that was deleted.
When they get back to the ship, director Parker Selfridge orders the removal of one of the sub light engines of the interstellar transport, and aims it at the Tree of Souls where all the Navi military and the traitor Jake Sully are gathered. They trigger it and it slams into the planet, wiping out all surface life for 200 kilometers.
While the engine was expensive, it was more than compensated for by the availability and lower running cost for follow up mining, considering the greatly reduced security situation and easy accessibility of mineral deposits now exposed.
In addition all the mining facilities were outside the blast radius and the ship didn't have enough space for all the evacuated personnel, so really it was the best option from a cost benefit and crew safety perspective.
He could have just done a fly by of the moon with the engines pointed at the surface. That could have easily scorched half of the surface into a nightmarish hellscape.
Corey Micallef Full Surface Napalm strike basically, scorched atmosphere
What your saying is, if we don't get Avatar 2 we have a happy ending?
Wait, the ship didn’t have enough room for all the evacuated personnel? It carried all of them there.
Jason Albert it probably took more then one trip.
Thank you American Ben, your thoughtful analysis and careful explanation has changed my mind. I now think this well led group could dig in and defend itself just long enough to be rescued .....
.... By the Imperial Guard.
Really the imperial guard? Don't get me wrong they are pretty effective but I feel like they'd lose more lives getting to a rescue mission than they'd save on it.
These are the guys who's only strategy is the Zap Branagan set kill limit strategy
Captain zac yes but they have a few quadrillion soldiers more than you
@@captainzac24 they got mechanised warfare nailed better than sec plus heavy waepons
How? by force feeding the reinforcements to the wildlife?
@@noneedtoknow07, there is not alot of things on padora that the guard cant kill. The catachan jungle fighters would consider it a vacation and the death korps of krieg would turn the planet into a wasteland
The secops one of the "villiains" that I want to win in the movie... They're just so epic... 5/5
This
Nuke Pandora.
Your not the only one
RND just needs to replace that big window with cameras connected to a vr helmet so the pilot could still look around as normal without the giant window that leaves them vulnerable.
Happy New Year to everyone but the aliens! 😁✌️.
PLEASE MAKE VIDEO ABOUT THE PROS OF TJE GROUP OF SPECIALIZED TACTICS (AK GHOSTS) IN GHOST RECON ALPHA SHORT FILM?!
The Sec Op lost only due to the worst scum in the Galaxy other than aliens, Human traitors.
8:28 y'all practicing your Spanish or somthing?
The title and the thumpnail don't match.
Perhaps you should take a look at the octopus and the cuttlefish. Those creatures seem even more dangerous than dolphins, not the least because of their camouflaging ability, but also the ability of some octopus species in Australia to _travel on land_ to hunt.
That's a new fact I never knew before. The AMP is a Mitsubishi product
Many of us are Mitsubishi products and don't know it.
@@GenerationFilms
Neo: Whoa.
Don't ask Porsche what they were doing, probably making tanks again
The RDA lost technically lost to a tree. They were doing a damn good stomping the Navi.
They actually had it completely won and were doing mop up operations when the deux arrived ex machina.
@@AF-tv6uf Honestly; the deus ex machina only really worked due to "I have more warm bodies than you have ammo"
I disagree with counting ''weak enemy'' as an advantage. For starters, you didn't list something like ''strong enemies'' as a weakness for the others. Also, the Marines aren't going to go up against the Navi. They're going up against the other marines. By your logic, the Imperial Guard will lose automatically because their enemies include Chaos and the Necron, even though that's not who they will be fighting in the match up.
The movies show marine fighting Na vi.
They wont be fighting the other marines. Its just a compilation of advantages which put them either above or a disadvantage that puts them below other marines.
Agreed. If anything, as American Ben alluded to, "weak enemies" should be a flaw, not a strength: the SecOps _lost_ to the Navi, after all.
I mean, maybe he meant that of all the different units analyzed, the SecOps had gear that was best-suited to dealing with their opponents, rather than the more common approach of "well, this is what we have, so this is what we'll use" like with the UNSC. Their rifles are generally good, as far as bullet hoses go, but they're not really specialized in taking down Covenant shields. By comparison, the rifles, grenades, autocannons, machine guns, and so on of the SecOps are pretty much exactly what you'd want against an enemy like the Navi.
...But even there, it's hard to say that the SecOps's weapons were the _most_ effective in their intended role. The USCM's flamethrowers and explosive-tipped ammunition were absolute murder on the Xenomorphs, even if they weren't specifically designed with them in mind, the Republic equipped their Clone Troopers with blasters optimized for use against droids, and the Mars-pattern lasgun is pretty much the sweet spot between firepower, durability, weight, reliability, and ease of manufacture. The Mobile Infantry and UNSC rightly lost points for using machine guns instead of something more advanced, given the enemies they faced and the period they exist in, but if Ben is going to say the SecOps had the best guns for their situation, then he and I will disagree.
Weak Opponents are a Disadvantage in defeat you lost to a weak Opponent Which basically makes you weak in Victory you defeated a weaker opponent not an Impressive Feat Considering even the Worse Army in the World can raid a Unprotected Village for Example
Also the Marines didn't necessarily have Weapons that are Specifically suited to Fight Navi it's more like the Navi are Humanlike and therefore are Vulnerable to All Kinds of Weapons if anything their Gear is badly Designed theirs Mechs are exposing pretty much their Entire Body covering it with Bulletproof Glass Which is Useless against Spears thrown by Bows wielded by Superhumans same Goes for their Vehicles their Masks (that can be easily Damaged or Taken off)and the fact they wear Armour that makes them less maneuverable (and won't do shit against Spears or Giant Monsters)
Then Again technically their enemy isn't only the Navi but the Tree Like Entity that has control over every single life form of the Planet and that's a way deadlier and Strong foe
As they say in Mass Effect, "Offer one hand, but arm the other" I'm willing to play friendly, only if they are willing to do so too. even the Imperium Space Marines has joined with aliens a few times, such as the Eldar and Tau, to stop larger threats. but as soon as those aliens betray me, I'll forgive them like a Blood Raven forgives a hideous mutant that taints the very air it breathes
The Navi were actually really organised in the final battle and had the aid of a ton of wildlife intervening so I’d say the Secops had more on their hands as they were in fact outnumbered.
I personally think giving a nuke to an organisation with little oversight is a bad idea.
The Emperor's Most Holy Inquisition wants to know your location...
Exterminatus, death to the Xenos, and to the traitors of mankind.
3:53 I'm pretty sure it's said in movie that even if they don't die to the arrows they'll still die to the powerful poison that Na'Vi lace their arrows with.
I think they're the best cause you can easily tell they had actual former Soldiers and Marines in the movie. Especially in that scene in the hovercraft one of the guys is pulling a wounded man back before he blasts a blue bastard out the back hatch.
THAT'S IT. I AM PLAYING THE AVATAR GAME TONIGHT. THE NOSTALGIA IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE !!!
5:21 Believe me when you're in a trench, low on ammo, and a 10 foot alien swinging a club is directly in your face, you're gonna want that bayonet.
at how you described during the first seconds the avatar space marines i think that in that universe imperial guard and even the stormtroopers would've done a better job against those xenos
The marines in Avatar operate pretty much like the US military, and we know that while they're willing to annihilate any potential spotted hostile, they want to keep as many options, and thus they send small teams of troops and crewmen with the best enough tech and ammo for the mission. With this, the team in question has to make use of what they have effectively, especially with the mounting cost of tech-tree development. In a sense, the marines from Avatar were meant to let us down.
Let's just say it's pretty much the same as the US involvement in the Middle Eastern military climate.
Great idea of using Xenomorphs as Avatars however Weyland Yutani put their money into Synth tech.
"Donate a Na-Vi to Weyland Yutani today"
Love this series
Small problem re: any sec ops soldiers surviving an arrow shot: the Navi use neurotoxin on their arrows.
For the first example That was what I was thinking the humans could make the perfect Apex hunter to fight the Avatars and have humans control them from the space ship. From what I understand the links don’t really have that much range restrictions at all. Thus the humans could send down superior forms and beasts to fight for them at the cost of little to no human life.
The links being practically unlimited is actually a good point to adress, and something i’ve *never* seen brought up before.
Still, it’s explained that the Avatars are EXTREMELY expensive to produce, so creating even a single ”apex predator” from scratch would probably be near impossible, realistically speaking.
The original plan for the avatars was for the soldiers and miners to use them, but that became to expensive
I was rooting for the space marines the whole time in Avatar.
Me too
You should contact the guys from death battle on screw attack and have the to Victor's fight off in a squad and squad battle
YES!!!! .... But colonial Marines will get stomp when actually have decent chance of winning...
Great review/video!!👍☯️👍
Glory to humanity!
The biggest problem is that those guys aren't marines, just some security operators.
I'm pretty sure actual military in the Avatar universe has much, much better stuff.
Only problem with the video is you forgot that the Navi use poison tipped arrows it’s said early in the film
The arrows have the size of spears and the tips are poisoned.
Since the bow is a draw-strength based weapon, the strength requiered to shot those giant arrows is more than enough to knock down any human and to cause massive Internal bleeding.
If the arrow itself doesn't kill you, you have only minutes to live before the poison kills you.
Man I remember being a kid watching this and being completely devastated that the humans somehow lost, and that slick pilot chick dying too.
Damn you guys really predicted what will RDA gonna do in the new Avatar films. Navi Marines with consciousness transferred from old self
best mechanized forces in sci-fi please. my nomination is the Earth Sphere Union from Gundam 00.
Gundom?
@@sicarius6501 just fixed it. Stupid phone didn't auto correct the way it should( as I saved Gundam to it).
What'll happen if Earths main army were to show interest in their planet ?
:D (With state of art goods) :D
humans should technically be physically stronger than many of the creatures on pandora due to the lower gravity of that planet
You should do one of how ODST could possibly be used or a form of them could realistically appear in the USMC/Space Force and the possible tech they could actually use
The arrows are poisoned though if I remember correctly so even if they can patch the hole in people they still gotta deal with the poison.
I guarantee that in the sequels, the humans will come back not in mech suits, or in Avatars of Blue Cats, but in bio-engineered, 30 foot tall half dinosaur, half human, heavily armed and armored death monsters.
Sadly no.
But we did get them glassing Na'vi strongholds from orbit and actually using the avatars for something useful
Maybe put a steel cage over the bubble, will not take away visibility and make it crush and ram resistant.
Bayonets are the weapon of a true man.
I really do like Bestiality, but I also Like supporting the Military
The only two real reasons the Sec ops lost were lack of proper plot armor, and the traitorous, dolphin loving, "humans" who were supposed to be the "good guys"
I chose SecsOp than Na’vi, because SecsOp weapon and equipment are cool
I want to point out that SecOps DIDNT LOSE TO THE NAVI!!! The SecOps handily won their battle until a literal act of God swarmed the out numbered troopers.
SecOps lost because literally all life on pandora fought them. All Navi warriors in the area. All flora and all fauna. All life even the Apex Thanators joined in. SecOps lost because they were basically outnumbered 50:1
Did the humans really need the stuff from Pandora for humanities survival? I remember it being very valuable, but I can't remember it being mentioned as a necessity.
It was actually mentioned in a deleted scene I believe that humanity actually needed it. As in our society would collapse without it need.
@@joshuawilliams9020 Well then the humans aren't the big assholes that they appeared to me when I originally watched the movie. Though I still have my doubts that they couldn't get the stuff somewhere else or that they needed to bomb the Na'vi for human survival.
@@Neonsilver13 Surely there are asteroids to mine in the Alpha Centauri system that are rich in the unobtanium. More pure minerals & no need to risk anything on Pandora. Only idiots invade planets for what they can get easier in space.
@@Neonsilver13 they were always the good guys
what a wonderful newsanchor
Except, the Marines do NOT have access to Avatar bodies. Jake Sully was the only one, due to his twin brother having been a scientist.
@z aciles In the second one, yes. In the first one it was the scientists who had the Avatar bodies and the facility to link with them, not the Marines. It was explained how expensive these Avatars were, so there were only a few around.
The RDA are pretty good, but charged head first into a close range ambush where they couldn't use their long range weaponry, which even basic recon should have showed them. Personally, I think they should have hunkered down at Hell's Gate, fortified the base, cleared the forest back a few hundred yards, and used their aircraft to harass enemy troops approaching the base, if the Brits could pull it off with way fewer advantages at Rorke's Drift the Secops could easily pull it off against the Navi.
1:43 You nailed Cameron exactly
having a weak enemy is an advantage in a fight but not for the quality of space marines
I should say tho that bringing the appropriate tools for the job is an advantage which requires knowing thy foe so it is good that their guns worked as well as they did but they should have known that beastiality could be weaponised and equiped themselves accordingly
As for "Space Marines" or Grand Army etc its always going to be WARHAMMER 40K. Even if its just the Imperial Guard, "Quantity has its own Quality"
I know that the Astartes have titans but I don't know if the average Imperial guard army has them. If they do then nothing that the other marines have can even compare to them
I'll give more than a 3 when the sequels come out. Basically, I'll never give them more than a 3.
i get a pro human warhammer vibe from u and i like that
Question: are you against AI or just aliens?
@Richard Wilson Ah crap. I am AI. I am stuck in a human body
The problem with this series is that objective comparisons have been made impossible by strange weaknesses and strengths. I'll release my own version on the Imperial Guard Video soon.
Ummmm... Exactly how familiar with soft core animal erotica are you, American Ben?
Want to know what I think; I think they should build level 10 forts at ever needed position. Forts win wars
Happy New years
Did the movie ever explain how Na'vi arrows manage to consistently pierce the armored, plexiglass cockpit of the Scorpion?
Nope I wish they would but the best answer we're going to get it plot armor
Im glad im not the only one who was Pulling for the Marines to win . Makes me feel like less of a piece of shit 😂😂😂
The Biotech they use to create the Avatars could easily be used to create Super Soldiers that are capable of surviving on Pandora and throwing down with the Navi in Combat.
Colonel Quaritch reminds me a bit of Canderous Ordo.
Shit, I need to play this game again. :D Loved it as a kid.
Why not add some snipers in the spec ops?
Y’all should have included the Star Trek enterprise macos/Star Trek security forces
Pfft, the security forces in Star Trek barely even wear body armor. They couldn't compete with these space marines
It would seem you’ve never seen the MACOs in action. Wether using a phase rifle or going hand to hand, they can hold their own pretty well
Love the video
In the second movie I am sure that little to no chances of a solution other than violence or mercy with be given to the Na'vi when the humans haul their military's and nukes over to pandora to save their race
Pandora is Vietnam 2
more like second emu war
I’d give them a 4 or 5 out of 5
There probably the best on this list with the unsc giving them a run for there money
Problems no exo suits/power armor no railguns no genetic modification no cybernetic
Advantages
Mechs good military tactics
Good space travel good modern day weapons very good bullets
Good armor very good air craft
And superconductors
Space Man the imperial guard wins it
Igor Wojtyna
No they don’t there a bunch of. Mid evil farmers
@@igorwojtyna2158 the UNSC, Imperial Guard, and Republic Clone Army all seem a good notch above all of their counterparts on this list. The clones come in a clean 3rd to me, but I feel the fight between UNSC and IG is a lot muddier.
I love Alan's vids but At this point I hope American Ben does the imperial guard vid
That HotHead Officer let us down. He made tactically flawed decision. Space shuttle could of and should of flow into orbit with the payload. Come down from orbit over zoodo tree and drop it's payload
10 Features that made the TIE Defender the best TIE.
In honor of the winner you should face an orca in single combat
Are you planning to make a video about Marines from PlanetSide 2?
I mean sure the humans were greedy and didn’t care about the natives, but they still could’ve coexist with the the Navi but the Navi were still in their primitive stage and didn’t know what the concept of private property
Part of the reason they are not liked as much is because they were portrayed as antagonists in the Avatar movie.
And they totally deserved to be slaughtered for being enormous egocentric close-minded pricks who refused to recognize that cooperation always beats competition. Jarheads indeed.
Can’t they use mass effect for this series also because mass effect came out with that movie mass effect paragon with James Vega
We actually already know how to fix broken spine, or at least replace it.
In the EU if you have enough money you can do that !
(Or should be able to, in the near future)
on the point of their medical tech prevention is better than a cure if they are woonded to the point they can't or shouldn't fight the your fighting power has just decreased unlike if they hadn't been wounded in the first place
I can't wait for the new Avatar movie coming out soon. It finally has a title now called Avatar: The Way of Water.
I think you should find the Army branch and use it.
2/5, although they`re just mercenaries and not a full scale army.
fivetimesdead D exactly a lot of them probably washed up as real soldiers because of discipline or mental issues
10:52 I believe you're talking about real life James "Mad Dog" Mattis
Hmmmmm..... Why does the thumbnail say flaw???
Edit: they changed it
The bayonet might be a development due to necessity. Protect the barrel and brake a tree in your way.
Now we need the break down of avatar 2.
Fun fact: the “marines” in avatar technically aren’t marines. I mean, they are in the sense that they served in the Marine Corps but it is mentioned by Jake that they’re now hired guns, not to mention that “secops” isn’t any military force but a company. This would make these soldiers more like pmcs or private military contractors
The walkers are awesome
I bet most of the RDA's military equipment/ vehicles is outdated stuff from actual militaries.
Tell me more about that orrray?