Note: If you use the self-tapping screw setting, you MUST pull the trigger all the way (or at least past 1/2) to activate the automatic stopping. If you try to drive a self-tapping screw slowly with less than 1/2 trigger pull, it operates in conventional impact mode and strips the screw every time.
Hey Rob, thanks for reinforcing why you should use the right tool for the job even if it's not as cool as the Surge. And for explaining the inch per pound torque for different fasteners as it applies to the Surge, awesome video. And yes, yes, yes, ear protection is a must, on a job site, you're rarely running just one tool.
I've been on the fence about the hydraulic impact dude to the lower lbs of torque. But know seeing the sustained torque in action, i too am sold. Great video as always, and nice job doing that demo with a drill in both hands!
I really like how you point out using an impact wrench for larger bolts/ lugs/ lags. I've seen too many guys just abusing their impact drivers on huge bolts for no reason other than ignorance and/ or avoiding a trip to the truck for the impact wrench. Good stuff Rob!
Great video, especially regarding hearing protection. I just purchased the hydraulic driver as after using a standard driver, the noise got to me very quickly. I always went back to using a drill. I continuously preach to my girlfriend to wear hearing protection anytime she is using a leaf blower or running her lawnmower.
My Milwaukee 12v FUEL driver works for me all day running framing screws for renovation carpentry. I grab the FUEL M18 for Timberloks but I'd never go back to carting that physical format around in a holster.
So your buying and paying extra money so you can be quiter at a job site around a bunch men ? SMH you buy this might as well carry a nail clipper and filer in your tool belt as well
I got this as a gift. Upon first use I wasn’t super impressed, but as time went on I came to love this thing. I actually don’t love it for deck screws or framing screws. I love it for cabinets, cabinet pulls, doors, door knobs, finish screws, etc. That balanced torque makes this impact sooo much more precise than a standard impact. It isn’t as quick as the fuel, but if you value precision as much or more than speed, this is for you.
I've always wanted a quieter impact driver. I'm on the dewalt system though. That's a really good point you brought up at the end. So many times companies over-do things or do things just because they can.
I'm a general contractor (built 3 large decks this summer already) and I own several different impact tools and have owned even more. My old impact burned out so I decided to try the Surge. I can tell you with 100% certainty the surge is better for driving most fasteners than any standard metal anvil impact and will drive 4 inch lag screws easily and as fast as or faster than my other standard impacts, even ones with WAY higher torque ratings.
I have one that i use for hvac. A normal impact driver makes so much noise with ductwork. With the surge, it's very impressive how much less noise it makes. And at home, normally the dog gets all scared from the noise from a regular impact. Recently i was using it in the house for flooring and the dog was chilling right next to me because the noise wasn't scaring him. Very brute, but smooth power for regular sized fasteners. Doesn't like larger lag bolts or larger spade bits as much, but its good for what i do
Just ordered one of these online. Cost me almost $300 Australian Passos including international shipping. They haven't released it here yet and probably won't for 6 months. Cant wait to put it to work.
Thanks for the review. I almost regretted buying the surge, but this definitely cleared up my questions about the torque that I couldn't find anywhere else.
Excellent review Rob, had to watch this again after upgrading my impacts.....so much quieter and like you stated.....it does everything an impact should!
I got my first fuel m18 1/4 impact driver as part of a kit on black friday. About a month ago I sold just the impact driver and bought this m18 surge and couldn't be happier. I do a lot of work in my garage and late nights and keep my garage door closed due to the bugs and other stuff... so the first m18 was really loud reverberating in my garage. The new surge is so much quieter that I don't need to reach for my hearing protection all the time.
Torque is the product of the length of a moment arm (inches) times the value of a perpendicular force (pounds) applied to the moment arm, this gives torque units of "inch pounds" not "inches per pound". Torque is a distance multiplied by a force, so inches is multiplied by pounds. To get "inches per pound" torque would have to be defined as a distance divided by a force, but that is not the case. T in lb = r in x F lb
This was the best review video I’ve seen on this tool. I was on the edge on not getting the surge but now, I’m convinced to get it haha. Thank you. Subscribing
The lion’s share of work I do is lighter to mid duty and am very glad that many tools are taking this into account for innovation. (Small and quiet air compressors have been huge for me also.) Thanks for your presentation of this tool and explaining this type of thinking so well...buying tomorrow.
Nice job Rob. I like the way you introduced the video because the safety of our hearing is something we should all be aware of. Obviously OSHA is the driving force here (pun intended), but it makes sense to develop and use quieter tools if they are available. particularly when they do 90% of the work just as quickly if not faster.
I'd say most power tools are noisie especially things like hammer drills you can feel the pressure in your ears especially when using the hammer feture
I had originally thought this hydraulic impact phase was just a gimmick. This past week I've been replacing windows and doors in a home where the clients were living full time and retired. They insisted on remaining in the home for the duration of the job, in this case it was 3 days.. but having the clients in close proximity for the first time in my life, I became fully aware of just how loud my standard M18 impact driver really is. It's absolutely ridiculous indoors. Driving window fasteners while the clients are trying to make calls or watch a show was making me feel very uneasy. Now I'm going to make sure I have a quieter option in my tool box for situations like this.
I think I might buy this tool. Ohio Power Tool has this as a kit with two 5.0 batteries AND if you buy the kit you get the hammer drill/driver for free. The kit is $329.99 with free shipping and no taxes. (If you live outside of Ohio)
I freaking love this surge impact soo quiet means no air plugs, soo smooth omg saves me fatigue, i drive metal screws all day and i love this tool, its actually more accurate also in control of sheet metal screws, i just wish they have the one key system into this tool also, i would buy it and wouldn't worry about it getting stolen at work
Definitely excited to see this come to market. Milwaukee did a great job keeping it small and powerful. I do some light fencing work on the weekends and have always wanted something quieter (and a little lighter is always good). Thanks Milwaukee! #MilwaukeeTools #NBHD #TIAcrew #coleistheman
Sad to say but the hydraulic driver will actually wear faster than the convention impact because of fluid cavitation on the vanes of the impact rotor. Ave has a very informative video on this driver on his channel you should check it out.
Just to clear this up it's in-lbs not in/lbs because you're multiplying the length of a lever by the force. For example 100lbs. on a 18in. wrench would be 1800in-lbs and 75lbs. on a 24in. wrench would also be 1800in-lbs. in/lbs is just the inverse of lbs/inch which would be used for beam loading calculations by structural engineers. Also that graph of torque over time is shortened so the break between impacts with zero torque should be much longer but is shortened so it's easier to understand. Otherwise it would be similar to a drill with a sustained torque. Just something to be aware of to better explain the tool.
Thanks Jeff - just realized why you posted that. I was saying inch per pounds [pressure] NOT "inch-pounds." Sometimes when I get going in front of the camera, I talk too fast, and stuck on words, or mis-pronounce things - thanks for pointing it out. I'm hoping guys don get stuck on that and miss the important safety feature of the new M18 tool and technology.
Good topic Rob. This is an issue for many workers and not just in the typical manual labor jobs such as construction. I'm just a DIYer that works in IT, but this is a problem in our field too. Some folks don't take earpro seriously and stay in loud confined spaces like server racks or data centers with poor to no earpro (noise cancelling doesn't count!); unfortunately that leads to hearing loss and tinnitus. I have a bit of tinnitus myself and have since taken ear protection much more seriously.
I hope somebody can use the meter to measure the torque because in another video of head to head testing between fuel and surge, fuel drives faster. It is confusing me.
Will this impact drill into brick and block easily for mounting anchors? I’m looking for a new impact for work and I do HVAC but would like to be able to use this drill for any other side jobs I do, and drilling concrete is a daily thing for me
I've had my first gen Dewalt brushless impact drive for a long time now. I change tires with it, I tear down and put chillers back together with it. I have never had a single problem with it. Yes it's ment for fasteners but it is built like a tank and can handle task ment for larger tools. I don't want to buy two tools. So why should I when this Dewalt handles the task of two. Also I have used my impact driver nearly everyday since it's purchase nearly six years ago.
Maybe just the video, but seems louder than the Makita... I don't know I can only buy one impact a month, Surge or Hitachi Triple Hammer? I do like my Makita impulse a lot. Great job on keeping all the numbers straight
If you were choosing between the two, I'd recommend the Triple Hammer by far. Much more versatile (precision, medium, and heavy-duty work), more powerful, similar vibration (due to the third hammer), and far more torque. Also, the charger it comes with is ridiculously fast, even faster than Makita's! I'd wager the speed is similar at the very least thanks to the third hammer too, and (like the Surge) it's very compact/lightweight.
I am bit puzzled here. Yes, less peak power, but more spread power can work better with driving screws... But Milwaukee 2606-22 drill driver is said to have 500 in/lbs. Since it's a drill, that means it will exert 500 in/lbs of power continuously, not as pulses, or not as impacts. Which means, it can drive the same screws faster and quieter. And, that drill is actually cheaper... What the?
Huge difference here in how the tool operates. Yes a regular drill is operating with torques in the same range. However, that's a constant applied torque whereas the hydraulic driver and/or an impact driver they are using impact energy along with the applied torque. There's absolutely no comparison of the ability to drive fasteners when comparing the two even at the same torque rating. It's a great question though and this is why we're trying to help users understand the technology and features.
I am sorry to say this, but I think you didn't understand my question. Doing impacting or whatever way to focus power is to get more peak power when there is the same amount of total power available. But clearly, if 500 in/lbs of continuous power is correct, that means it has far more total power than 450 in/lbs of pulse power. And, of course, since they are using about the same motor, there is really no way it's possible. So, is that Milwaukee's misleading? Or they used different way of measuring torque? My question is more like this. If you still don't understand my question, take like this: "There is a screw that requires 470 in/lbs of torque to drive. Will 500 in/lbs drill driver drive it? And will 450 in/lbs of pulse driver drive it? Why?" Note that, if pulse driver can drive 600 in/lbs screw, they wouldn't rate it as 450 in/lbs.
I understood your question. My point is constant 500 in-lb torque from a drill is VERY different than 450 in-lb of torque from the pulse driver. Even thought the hydraulic driver is nearing continuous torque, it's still "impacting" and applying pressure as it applies torque. It's simple to test....get out the drill and one of these and try driving a 6" TimberLock....I know which will do it faster and easier without doubt. Also, most small and medium size fasteners are less than 200 in-lbs of torque to install...yet a drill still struggles.
Impacting force takes away shock to the user and allows for one handed driving. this is why with hammer drills you see them with attachable handles more than impact drivers and more wrist injuries to go with it through improper handling. It's a safer way to drive screws and bolts all day which is one of the reasons its more favored in jobsites. Yes you can still drive screws with a drill driver, but you have a higher chance of wrist injury with high demand applications. Also impact drivers are less likely to strip screws
I just checked out that video. He's using a tablet with a SPL Meter App, I'm not sure how accurate that is, I'd like to see a test with a real SPL Meter, also I think on these tests they put the meter approximately how far away your head would be from the tool most of the time. In his video the tablet is a lot closer than his head, that definitely changes the results a little bit.
when Milwaukee tools launched, its quality was better, but after less than A year, they will definitely change switch(from Germany switch to HK switch, to Chinese switch, as you know, switch is most likely first to dead), change PCBA, change critical parts to low the cost. Miwaukee tools have a VE team, more than 50 engineers to do the cost-down, during these processes, the quality would decline obviously.
Jacob Hendrickson Good point I probably should’ve included that, there are plenty of videos online that show you the difference in the sound this is more of an editorial why it’s important
Great review. Fantastic information. You're about the only person I've heard talk about the differences between an impact driver and impact wrench. I ordered one of these hydraulic impact drivers last night and look forward to putting it to work immediately. I also really appreciate the safety sense included in this video. I used to think ppe was for pussies. Then I got tinnitus (ringing of the ear) when my ear was near a 4 ft. Crow bar when someone whacked it with a mini sledge.
Your forgetting a key benefit to this technology: this impact delivers soft blows which means less shattered fasteners and bits. Set some screws in concrete lately? If your setting fasteners into sheet metal, your ears will thank you for going hydraulic.
B F you might be right, but the company is not advertising that as a benefit, it’s the hydraulic fluid the is bringing the noise down. The tool does have have less power / torque than a regular impact
My Makita "Soft Impact" has it's own unique benefits. In a noise restrictive setting such as a hospital or apartment, your typical hammer/anvil impact is forbidden. There will be times where I'll reach for the loud option: building a deck for instance. The two mediums are like a mallet and a ball peen hammer. Both have their merits. Why these qualities aren't advertised would be a question for the marketing department. And, if you find yourself asking what "it" is for, you probably don't need it.
Has Milwaukee bought Concord Carpenter our yet? I know they approach all the RUclips carpenter and contractors or anyone that can use their tools for that matter and try to sponsor them and get them to exclusively use their tools.
The new surge will fail before the older version. One word cavitation. When the "hammer" hits it spike the pressure in the fluid bringing the hydraulic fluid to its boiling point. When the pressure drops the bubble that formed implodes eroding the lining of the pump. So the more you use the tool the weaker it will get till the veins in the pump can no longer hold pressure. This is a tool designed to fail.
Justin Molina with all the r & d they do don’t you think they have thought this through and added counter measures to prevent that thought? They released it on their “economy” line of tool first (Rigid) then implemented it to the bread & butter line... Milwaukee “Fuel”. & dont get it twisted I understand exactly what you saying, & can agree with that! I just figure challenging that theory in order to get more productive thinking out of both of us & you know the YT experts 😆 I watched AvEs vid on the rigid I don’t remember exactly what he said though lol have to rewatch it. but they have been using hydraulic tech for years & years. Has that been a problem known to effect those “tools/machines”? Let me know what you think!
It's not inches per pounds - it's inch pounds! Torque is calculated by multiplying distance by force. It drove me nuts listening to you continually murder the unit measurement.
a lot of sorry ass companies in construction. if it cost more regardless of employees health is why they want buy it. OSHA is joke in the south. only see OSHA after a work place accident.
1) this guy could've been quite so we could hear the darn thing.2) who cares about the proper application. If the MFG puts the required adapter 1/4"hex X 1/4" square or 1/2" square in the kit then it must be ok by the MFG.3) could somebody do this with cordless 1/2" and 3/8" impact wrenches!!!!!?????!!!!
Just because a manufacturer can put a spoiler and speedometre that goes up to 300kmph on a sedan doesn't mean the car will last long while attempting to make use of those tools. They're there to widen your tool's use options, that doesn't mean it's a daily driver for high torque applications.
Why not just use a drill driver they are quiet plus less vibration to do the same work This is all marketing to keep tradesman buying new tools even if they don't need to . Thanks for the video
Normal drills have at tendency to want to either turn itself out of the receiver on the screw, or turn your hand if the torque becomes insane. Furthermore, because the impact doesn't need to slow down for high torque applications it doesn't risk overheating the motor. Finally, with a drill you need to be a lot stronger to get drive the same screws. I've got a rather small girlfriend, and if she tries using my drill to drive screws she will often have it kick back at her or twist her wrist, potentially causing injury, with an impact she can drive the same screws one handed because of the reduced kick. --- Drills can be great, especially for delicate fasteners (the torque control option most modern drills have is a lifesaver for small screws) but impact drivers are really good at... well, driving fasteners.
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Note: If you use the self-tapping screw setting, you MUST pull the trigger all the way (or at least past 1/2) to activate the automatic stopping. If you try to drive a self-tapping screw slowly with less than 1/2 trigger pull, it operates in conventional impact mode and strips the screw every time.
Hey Rob, thanks for reinforcing why you should use the right tool for the job even if it's not as cool as the Surge. And for explaining the inch per pound torque for different fasteners as it applies to the Surge, awesome video. And yes, yes, yes, ear protection is a must, on a job site, you're rarely running just one tool.
Just got one for Christmas. Cant wait to put it to work after the holiday break
I've been on the fence about the hydraulic impact dude to the lower lbs of torque. But know seeing the sustained torque in action, i too am sold. Great video as always, and nice job doing that demo with a drill in both hands!
Josh ODMO thx
I really like how you point out using an impact wrench for larger bolts/ lugs/ lags. I've seen too many guys just abusing their impact drivers on huge bolts for no reason other than ignorance and/ or avoiding a trip to the truck for the impact wrench. Good stuff Rob!
Great video, especially regarding hearing protection.
I just purchased the hydraulic driver as after using a standard driver, the noise got to me very quickly. I always went back to using a drill.
I continuously preach to my girlfriend to wear hearing protection anytime she is using a leaf blower or running her lawnmower.
I’m in the garage door biz and it’s nice having a quiet power tool
Bravo! You really did your homework on this video. I am getting the Surge thanks to you.
Honestly thinking about buying this now, as the Hammer Drill/Impact is what I use day to day
Great review.
My Milwaukee 12v FUEL driver works for me all day running framing screws for renovation carpentry. I grab the FUEL M18 for Timberloks but I'd never go back to carting that physical format around in a holster.
Im not yelling Im Italian
VCG Construction true dat!
So your buying and paying extra money so you can be quiter at a job site around a bunch men ? SMH you buy this might as well carry a nail clipper and filer in your tool belt as well
haha I almost spit out my cannoli.
@@johnsmiths1591 I think home depot screwed up but the surge was 80$ cheaper than the regular fuel impact
Just picked this up on your recommendation and can’t be happier! Smoother and quieter! Thanks for the great review!
I got this as a gift. Upon first use I wasn’t super impressed, but as time went on I came to love this thing. I actually don’t love it for deck screws or framing screws. I love it for cabinets, cabinet pulls, doors, door knobs, finish screws, etc. That balanced torque makes this impact sooo much more precise than a standard impact. It isn’t as quick as the fuel, but if you value precision as much or more than speed, this is for you.
This is a very honest review. Best I have seen. The importance of quiet and proper application should not be ignored.
I have to agree besides hearing protection don't forget about dust and things to
I've always wanted a quieter impact driver. I'm on the dewalt system though.
That's a really good point you brought up at the end. So many times companies over-do things or do things just because they can.
I'm a general contractor (built 3 large decks this summer already) and I own several different impact tools and have owned even more. My old impact burned out so I decided to try the Surge. I can tell you with 100% certainty the surge is better for driving most fasteners than any standard metal anvil impact and will drive 4 inch lag screws easily and as fast as or faster than my other standard impacts, even ones with WAY higher torque ratings.
I have one that i use for hvac. A normal impact driver makes so much noise with ductwork. With the surge, it's very impressive how much less noise it makes. And at home, normally the dog gets all scared from the noise from a regular impact. Recently i was using it in the house for flooring and the dog was chilling right next to me because the noise wasn't scaring him. Very brute, but smooth power for regular sized fasteners. Doesn't like larger lag bolts or larger spade bits as much, but its good for what i do
i bought mine yesterday and im looking forward to using it on the job every day.
Just ordered one of these online. Cost me almost $300 Australian Passos including international shipping. They haven't released it here yet and probably won't for 6 months. Cant wait to put it to work.
In Aus too mate where did you order from?
+Inspirez01 good old eBay mate.
Steven Koch how have you liked yours so far? I'm assuming you've received it now since your comment was from 5 months ago! Haha
Thanks for the review. I almost regretted buying the surge, but this definitely cleared up my questions about the torque that I couldn't find anywhere else.
bmulls1214 thx
Id love to see Milwaukee make a surge version of an impact wrench with a 1/2 inch square drive. Great video!!
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Excellent review Rob, had to watch this again after upgrading my impacts.....so much quieter and like you stated.....it does everything an impact should!
i just got this gun and i absolutely love it. highly recommended
I got my first fuel m18 1/4 impact driver as part of a kit on black friday. About a month ago I sold just the impact driver and bought this m18 surge and couldn't be happier. I do a lot of work in my garage and late nights and keep my garage door closed due to the bugs and other stuff... so the first m18 was really loud reverberating in my garage. The new surge is so much quieter that I don't need to reach for my hearing protection all the time.
There's a big difference.
I just realized that you have a pencil in your mouth at the miter saw in the intro. Glad to see I’m not the only one who does that.
Thanks for this - and you are right about general construction site noise - theres gotta be a better way! Great info on sustained torque also
So true!
Torque is the product of the length of a moment arm (inches) times the value of a perpendicular force (pounds) applied to the moment arm, this gives torque units of "inch pounds" not "inches per pound". Torque is a distance multiplied by a force, so inches is multiplied by pounds. To get "inches per pound" torque would have to be defined as a distance divided by a force, but that is not the case. T in lb = r in x F lb
This was the best review video I’ve seen on this tool. I was on the edge on not getting the surge but now, I’m convinced to get it haha. Thank you. Subscribing
The lion’s share of work I do is lighter to mid duty and am very glad that many tools are taking this into account for innovation. (Small and quiet air compressors have been huge for me also.) Thanks for your presentation of this tool and explaining this type of thinking so well...buying tomorrow.
Nice job Rob. I like the way you introduced the video because the safety of our hearing is something we should all be aware of. Obviously OSHA is the driving force here (pun intended), but it makes sense to develop and use quieter tools if they are available. particularly when they do 90% of the work just as quickly if not faster.
Thanks
Just Good Script.
Surge Driver is no Ear protection solution.
I’m sold. I have hearing damage and am constantly annoyed by my impact and how loud it is. Off to order one right now!
Great video! Makes me even happier that I bought the Surge as a young electrical apprentice
I'd say most power tools are noisie especially things like hammer drills you can feel the pressure in your ears especially when using the hammer feture
Great advice and great video...I have this impact gun....it it pleasantly quieter!....worth the extra few bucks all the way around!
I had originally thought this hydraulic impact phase was just a gimmick. This past week I've been replacing windows and doors in a home where the clients were living full time and retired. They insisted on remaining in the home for the duration of the job, in this case it was 3 days.. but having the clients in close proximity for the first time in my life, I became fully aware of just how loud my standard M18 impact driver really is. It's absolutely ridiculous indoors. Driving window fasteners while the clients are trying to make calls or watch a show was making me feel very uneasy. Now I'm going to make sure I have a quieter option in my tool box for situations like this.
I think I might buy this tool. Ohio Power Tool has this as a kit with two 5.0 batteries AND if you buy the kit you get the hammer drill/driver for free. The kit is $329.99 with free shipping and no taxes. (If you live outside of Ohio)
I freaking love this surge impact soo quiet means no air plugs, soo smooth omg saves me fatigue, i drive metal screws all day and i love this tool, its actually more accurate also in control of sheet metal screws, i just wish they have the one key system into this tool also, i would buy it and wouldn't worry about it getting stolen at work
Definitely excited to see this come to market. Milwaukee did a great job keeping it small and powerful. I do some light fencing work on the weekends and have always wanted something quieter (and a little lighter is always good). Thanks Milwaukee! #MilwaukeeTools #NBHD #TIAcrew #coleistheman
Intriguing concept. I'd like one but I think I'll give it a generation/upgrade or two.
I got this for my dad for his birthday. Wish I had picked one up for me too, but I’m on the Makita platform already.
Makita makes one just like this.
Sad to say but the hydraulic driver will actually wear faster than the convention impact because of fluid cavitation on the vanes of the impact rotor. Ave has a very informative video on this driver on his channel you should check it out.
As a Chicago Plumber, I’m always searching for a powerful impact that can fit in tight spaces. This is my baby
Just to clear this up it's in-lbs not in/lbs because you're multiplying the length of a lever by the force. For example 100lbs. on a 18in. wrench would be 1800in-lbs and 75lbs. on a 24in. wrench would also be 1800in-lbs. in/lbs is just the inverse of lbs/inch which would be used for beam loading calculations by structural engineers.
Also that graph of torque over time is shortened so the break between impacts with zero torque should be much longer but is shortened so it's easier to understand. Otherwise it would be similar to a drill with a sustained torque. Just something to be aware of to better explain the tool.
Thanks Jeff - just realized why you posted that. I was saying inch per pounds [pressure] NOT "inch-pounds." Sometimes when I get going in front of the camera, I talk too fast, and stuck on words, or mis-pronounce things - thanks for pointing it out.
I'm hoping guys don get stuck on that and miss the important safety feature of the new M18 tool and technology.
20 usd more? in australia is 150 extra for the surge.
Gotta love the surge , keep up the good work
Makita, Bosch and milwaukee
Great review. Exactly what you need to make a purchasing decision.
I'm the 1 in 8 with hearing loss. I wish I would have paid closer attention to my hearing. I'm going for one of these now.
Good topic Rob. This is an issue for many workers and not just in the typical manual labor jobs such as construction. I'm just a DIYer that works in IT, but this is a problem in our field too. Some folks don't take earpro seriously and stay in loud confined spaces like server racks or data centers with poor to no earpro (noise cancelling doesn't count!); unfortunately that leads to hearing loss and tinnitus. I have a bit of tinnitus myself and have since taken ear protection much more seriously.
I hope somebody can use the meter to measure the torque because in another video of head to head testing between fuel and surge, fuel drives faster. It is confusing me.
Will this impact drill into brick and block easily for mounting anchors? I’m looking for a new impact for work and I do HVAC but would like to be able to use this drill for any other side jobs I do, and drilling concrete is a daily thing for me
I've had my first gen Dewalt brushless impact drive for a long time now. I change tires with it, I tear down and put chillers back together with it. I have never had a single problem with it. Yes it's ment for fasteners but it is built like a tank and can handle task ment for larger tools. I don't want to buy two tools. So why should I when this Dewalt handles the task of two. Also I have used my impact driver nearly everyday since it's purchase nearly six years ago.
I wonder if they will make a 12v hydraulic driver. I would totally get that. I don't have any of the 18v tools though.
Good idea Joe
Northern NH here. Any idea on cold weather performance?
Maybe just the video, but seems louder than the Makita... I don't know I can only buy one impact a month, Surge or Hitachi Triple Hammer? I do like my Makita impulse a lot. Great job on keeping all the numbers straight
one a month? HAHA nice!
If you were choosing between the two, I'd recommend the Triple Hammer by far. Much more versatile (precision, medium, and heavy-duty work), more powerful, similar vibration (due to the third hammer), and far more torque. Also, the charger it comes with is ridiculously fast, even faster than Makita's! I'd wager the speed is similar at the very least thanks to the third hammer too, and (like the Surge) it's very compact/lightweight.
What is best Milwaukee Surge or Milwaukee ONEKEY?
I am bit puzzled here.
Yes, less peak power, but more spread power can work better with driving screws...
But Milwaukee 2606-22 drill driver is said to have 500 in/lbs. Since it's a drill, that means it will exert 500 in/lbs of power continuously, not as pulses, or not as impacts.
Which means, it can drive the same screws faster and quieter.
And, that drill is actually cheaper... What the?
Huge difference here in how the tool operates. Yes a regular drill is operating with torques in the same range. However, that's a constant applied torque whereas the hydraulic driver and/or an impact driver they are using impact energy along with the applied torque. There's absolutely no comparison of the ability to drive fasteners when comparing the two even at the same torque rating. It's a great question though and this is why we're trying to help users understand the technology and features.
I am sorry to say this, but I think you didn't understand my question.
Doing impacting or whatever way to focus power is to get more peak power when there is the same amount of total power available.
But clearly, if 500 in/lbs of continuous power is correct, that means it has far more total power than 450 in/lbs of pulse power.
And, of course, since they are using about the same motor, there is really no way it's possible.
So, is that Milwaukee's misleading? Or they used different way of measuring torque?
My question is more like this.
If you still don't understand my question, take like this:
"There is a screw that requires 470 in/lbs of torque to drive. Will 500 in/lbs drill driver drive it? And will 450 in/lbs of pulse driver drive it? Why?"
Note that, if pulse driver can drive 600 in/lbs screw, they wouldn't rate it as 450 in/lbs.
I understood your question. My point is constant 500 in-lb torque from a drill is VERY different than 450 in-lb of torque from the pulse driver. Even thought the hydraulic driver is nearing continuous torque, it's still "impacting" and applying pressure as it applies torque. It's simple to test....get out the drill and one of these and try driving a 6" TimberLock....I know which will do it faster and easier without doubt. Also, most small and medium size fasteners are less than 200 in-lbs of torque to install...yet a drill still struggles.
Impacting force takes away shock to the user and allows for one handed driving. this is why with hammer drills you see them with attachable handles more than impact drivers and more wrist injuries to go with it through improper handling. It's a safer way to drive screws and bolts all day which is one of the reasons its more favored in jobsites. Yes you can still drive screws with a drill driver, but you have a higher chance of wrist injury with high demand applications. Also impact drivers are less likely to strip screws
What did you say??
what bit holders do you use in your impact drivers?
I just watched it on another sight and he tested the decibels and it was 84
Which site was that?
Toolpigs raw video
I just checked out that video. He's using a tablet with a SPL Meter App, I'm not sure how accurate that is, I'd like to see a test with a real SPL Meter, also I think on these tests they put the meter approximately how far away your head would be from the tool most of the time. In his video the tablet is a lot closer than his head, that definitely changes the results a little bit.
i have the m12 fuel impact, but im not sure switching to m18 would be worth it..
Alex Linthicum the M12 too- in the shop, love them
Being a Hvac installer, m12 is a great product in my opinion. I am curious about the 3 speed m18 impact. 2753#
Sounds like a Milwaukee ad.
i love my ridgid stelth
Excellant review as always. Should we expect a Surge Impact for the M12 line up?
David Neuzil now that would be cool
OMG, I had to turn down volume :D
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Needs to be quieter like makita's. They were too focused on more power.
im getting that tomorrow
when Milwaukee tools launched, its quality was better, but after less than A year, they will definitely change switch(from Germany switch to HK switch, to Chinese switch, as you know, switch is most likely first to dead), change PCBA, change critical parts to low the cost. Miwaukee tools have a VE team, more than 50 engineers to do the cost-down, during these processes, the quality would decline obviously.
hydraulics are more compact?
tell that to ryobi
I got the bare tool for $109 on amazon.
I kept waiting for the part where he would stop talking and let us hear the impacts, it never came. lol.
sorry pal - there was a bigger story to tell and I don't have a mic set up for you to accurately hear the difference
I just wanted to hear what they sounded like. Wow!! That didn’t happen.
Jacob Hendrickson Good point I probably should’ve included that, there are plenty of videos online that show you the difference in the sound this is more of an editorial why it’s important
Once again milwaukee has followed makita ....like i said makita is always the innovator !
it's actually been it longer. just not as compact
Except for their batteries. They really need to lift their game on that front.
Suggestion -- 'Inch pounds' ... not "inches per pound" ...... Torque ! 'in-lbs' ....Lever arm x Force = Torque
Noted!
One more time???
I find it funny how you have the regular impact on speed 2 and the surge on speed 3 ... seams fair
Great review. Fantastic information. You're about the only person I've heard talk about the differences between an impact driver and impact wrench. I ordered one of these hydraulic impact drivers last night and look forward to putting it to work immediately. I also really appreciate the safety sense included in this video. I used to think ppe was for pussies. Then I got tinnitus (ringing of the ear) when my ear was near a 4 ft. Crow bar when someone whacked it with a mini sledge.
I've done demo work and had the exact same thing happen to me. When workers are piled on top of each other injuries happen often.
I have a question. Only starting to research it now as I started a new business and need one. Is the surge more economical on batteries?
Your forgetting a key benefit to this technology: this impact delivers soft blows which means less shattered fasteners and bits. Set some screws in concrete lately?
If your setting fasteners into sheet metal, your ears will thank you for going hydraulic.
B F you might be right, but the company is not advertising that as a benefit, it’s the hydraulic fluid the is bringing the noise down. The tool does have have less power / torque than a regular impact
My Makita "Soft Impact" has it's own unique benefits. In a noise restrictive setting such as a hospital or apartment, your typical hammer/anvil impact is forbidden.
There will be times where I'll reach for the loud option: building a deck for instance.
The two mediums are like a mallet and a ball peen hammer. Both have their merits.
Why these qualities aren't advertised would be a question for the marketing department.
And, if you find yourself asking what "it" is for, you probably don't need it.
Has Milwaukee bought Concord Carpenter our yet? I know they approach all the RUclips carpenter and contractors or anyone that can use their tools for that matter and try to sponsor them and get them to exclusively use their tools.
TactiCali Industries not yet brother I'm still here, but I do like their tools!!!
Best advice, choose the best tool from the beginning or you're gonna regret it later. Don't buy cheap tools, it's a waste of money.
The new surge will fail before the older version. One word cavitation. When the "hammer" hits it spike the pressure in the fluid bringing the hydraulic fluid to its boiling point. When the pressure drops the bubble that formed implodes eroding the lining of the pump. So the more you use the tool the weaker it will get till the veins in the pump can no longer hold pressure. This is a tool designed to fail.
Justin Molina with all the r & d they do don’t you think they have thought this through and added counter measures to prevent that thought? They released it on their “economy” line of tool first (Rigid) then implemented it to the bread & butter line... Milwaukee “Fuel”. & dont get it twisted I understand exactly what you saying, & can agree with that! I just figure challenging that theory in order to get more productive thinking out of both of us & you know the YT experts 😆 I watched AvEs vid on the rigid I don’t remember exactly what he said though lol have to rewatch it. but they have been using hydraulic tech for years & years. Has that been a problem known to effect those “tools/machines”? Let me know what you think!
Justin Molina mines still in operation
Nice vid
Muy bueno
This isn't a Review
jemmanuel09 its an editorial
Nice review. Thoughtful comments about usage too. #tiacrew #coleistheman
Thanks
It's not inches per pounds - it's inch pounds! Torque is calculated by multiplying distance by force. It drove me nuts listening to you continually murder the unit measurement.
Thanks for keeping me honest guys - I had it right in the article - said it wrong on camera. Not the first time, won't be the last time.
Good review Bill #TIACREW #coleistheman
👍🏼 #TIACREW
WHAT!?
- haha
a lot of sorry ass companies in construction. if it cost more regardless of employees health is why they want buy it. OSHA is joke in the south. only see OSHA after a work place accident.
Courtney Sutherlin OSHA shows up same here too- its mostly up to us to be compliant and follow the rules. I'm not perfect, but I try
1) this guy could've been quite so we could hear the darn thing.2) who cares about the proper application. If the MFG puts the required adapter 1/4"hex X 1/4" square or 1/2" square in the kit then it must be ok by the MFG.3) could somebody do this with cordless 1/2" and 3/8" impact wrenches!!!!!?????!!!!
Just because a manufacturer can put a spoiler and speedometre that goes up to 300kmph on a sedan doesn't mean the car will last long while attempting to make use of those tools. They're there to widen your tool's use options, that doesn't mean it's a daily driver for high torque applications.
Just use a drill driver, simple and faster
Dude why are you yelling ! , damn it's a intro video not a yelling contest between you and yourself, or your impact.
Leonardo Garcia hearing loss brother, people tell me that all the time
Huh???
Hopefully dewilt will make one never been a fan of Milsuckee they burn up.
Why are you yelling?
Stepan Dmitriyev sorry brother
Why not just use a drill driver they are quiet plus less vibration to do the same work This is all marketing to keep tradesman buying new tools even if they don't need to . Thanks for the video
tom73055 I disagree an impact driver is way more efficient and powerful than a drill
There are benefits to impacts
Normal drills have at tendency to want to either turn itself out of the receiver on the screw, or turn your hand if the torque becomes insane. Furthermore, because the impact doesn't need to slow down for high torque applications it doesn't risk overheating the motor. Finally, with a drill you need to be a lot stronger to get drive the same screws. I've got a rather small girlfriend, and if she tries using my drill to drive screws she will often have it kick back at her or twist her wrist, potentially causing injury, with an impact she can drive the same screws one handed because of the reduced kick. --- Drills can be great, especially for delicate fasteners (the torque control option most modern drills have is a lifesaver for small screws) but impact drivers are really good at... well, driving fasteners.
I have used an impact exclusively since 2010 with my first dewalt.
Upgraded to 18v ridgid stealth force last year and absolutely love it.
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