10 for 10: English Lutheran Pastor Tapani Simojoki
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Continuing our series of 10 interviews in honor of Lutheran Satire's 10th anniversary, here is my conversation with Rev. Tapani Simojoki, a pastor in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in England. We discuss the history of Lutherans in England, the challenges of secularism, and why the English insist on putting U's in words that don't have them.
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“There’s a good chance I’m more fluent in English than you.”
“That’s debatingable.”
Great job Tapani, proud of you and blessed to have you as our pastor!
He must be a wonderful pastor!
I was there at that Reformed Baptist gathering! But not as a baptist, rather as a Reformed-with-Lutheran-tendencies Anglican 🙂To those who viewed this video: please give Tapani lots of money. Or even a small amount of money which will go a long way. England - the whole of the UK in fact - needs him!
Yes we do and we thank God for him. Truly a blessing to us :)
Trueuly a deliughtfuul interviuw. Weull doune, and God Bleuss!
:)
Confessional Presbyterian here… really enjoyed this. Thank you!
Very accurate assessment of the situation of Christianity in the UK.
Here in Scotland especially it's just total apathy to anything Christian
Moikka! Greetings to a Finnish Lutheran in England from a Finnish Lutheran in Russia!
I am a life-long Lutheran from California.
Pastor Simojoki was so kind as to perform a service on the Solent for my late mother’s ash scattering in 2016.
I remember him telling me that I was fortunate to find a Lutheran Pastor in that part of England as they are few and far between.
I'm from the U.K and your Videos helped me found God
Great interview with a good blend of humor and knowledge sharing!
I know Tapani quite well here in Hampshire. He's a good sport for doing this 👏 do enjoy this channel 👍
*TapAKnee
Being a reformed Baptist and learning God’s prescription for worship certainly has shed light on our call to worship. Years ago I missed my local church when I was on vacation and not knowing a church to attend just made me eager to be back home. Nowadays, I understand that the call to worship God is way bigger than just membership or regular attendance. The struggle now seeking out a doctrinal church when visiting other places.
I just stumbled across this and was excited to see there is at least something in the UK. I am currently sponsoring a church in the Philippines but will try to send a little love yall's way, too.
You can't get more finnish than "Tapani Simojoki" :)
Regards, random swedish-speaking finn who grew up culturally lutheran
I will certainly visit an ELCE church in my future UK trips.
This was great. I will visit this congregation on my next trip to the UK.
As a member at the congregation, please do! It would be a real blessing to have you!
@@calvinthomas1501 thank you very much.
BROS! Having made a massive donation to Issues etc on 12/31, (no doubt Todd heard Andy Jackson ($20) talking) I followed up with an email to correct their conference wranglers, and while I cant guarantee they will bump The Stash, I stand confident that my call for your appearence will be heard. God Bless You!
Good interview, Hans. To you I will lift up my glass, even if some deem your humor crass.
Suavior sounds amazingly smooth.
Enjoyed. God's peace.
my word, one of my favourite RUclips channels has my dear friend from my home town, TapAKnee
Loving that pre-1803 Union Jack
First, like our Lord and Savio(u)r in the resurrection.
Pastor Hans said “Timpany”. Was he watching The Babylon Bee’s skit of the Californians moving to Texas?
Oh? You're Missouri Synod? I grew up Evangelical. I wish I had something like that in my area growing up. I love Lutheran Liturgy and the short sermons, and the music all throughout the service. It's my ideal worship setting, is a Lutheran Church, but the Lutherans around here all want Gay Pastors, and to teach Global Warming in Sunday School instead of the Bible. They actually had to source an old, just about to retire minister to catechize me, because I didn't want to be catechized by the younger pastor. For some reason I didn't like him. I had to have the old guard give me my catechism. I actually have Martin Luther on my bookshelf, and the full catechism, and my Grandmother's hymnal. I would love a conservative Lutheran Church, that taught the Apocrypha and Apostolic Succession, too.
Pastor Simul-jokey has the same voice as your old robot videos.
Coincidence?
Try this again... apologies if this turns out to be a duplicate message. Great interview. I also wanted to pass along for those interested that Tapani does a Matins service most Sundays - Fridays found here ruclips.net/p/PLJQFmUO0jsDG1oT-Rw_yBVkQnVqOoksu8 I discovered this during the height of the C19 lockdowns and has turned into a great way to start the day.
It would be great if you could interview Pr. James May
So, Lutheran theology allows a secular monarch to be the head of their church?
It's complicated. It comes from the Peace of Augsburg through the Treaty of Westphalia and the secular doctrine of Cuius regio, eius religio. In order to endthe Thirty Years War, the heads of Europe agreed that the soverign King or Prince of each country would determine the religious affiliation of that state. It put an end to the nobility swearing alligence to foreign princes on account of religion rather than territory.
As such, George I in his role as Prince of Hannover was head of a Lutheran Pricipality and thus head of its church, while in his role as King of Britain was head of the Anglican Church. Note on the Lutheran side, this was an administrative, not eclesiastic position. The analog would be the relationship between the president of a congregation and the pastor of a current church.
Stop and interview random pastors and you will see how big step up having a secular monarch as head of church is. They are nice and clean, mostly well behaved when there are witnesses around, not involved in politics, wash their hands after visiting the toilet, you can leave them safely with the choir for hours, providing there are witnesses around and they are able to lend you money and to make you a knight.
Savour has a C in it, also a "h" and a "r" also a "i" and "t"
Tampa I, did you have better access to folks as a teacher?
Knowledge does not equal salvation
Christ alone
Love the sweet sense of humoUr there!
Interesting that he hasnt chosen to translate his name cause it would be so ease Tapani = Stephen Simojoki = River-simeon 🤔
What I really want is for him to speak ENGLISH English.. a-la Austin Powers.
Interesting stuff
I think I know who invited you to lecture on Lutheran preaching. 😏👍
125 years and 1000 people. ponders that
but... do you have a sauna??
how else would we charge our nokias to play clash of clans?
The Finnish whorehouse church in London has one. But it's mainly for gays.
Only improvement on the video would have been the 2 English gentlemen breaking in with their carols about the sheep and the turtles and the mice…
2:16 I never want to be a pee teacher, either. 😂
One small point . . . London, England is NOT part of the United Kingdom.
That is the most british looking face ever. Even though he is Finnish...apparently.
He looks like a bald version of that rat from flushed away.
Needs a teacup in front of it.
You can't get more finnish than "Tapani Simojoki" haha. Regards, random swedish-speaking finn
Is there a “u” in diplomatic too? 😂
First
Here’s your trophy, sire 🏆
@@heavnxbound I didn't ask for a trophy. 😁
@@ernestsire1924 The importance of being…Ernest?
I live in England and am Lutheran in belief, but I wouldn't attend an ELCE church even if there was one near me. I'm in agreement with the teaching contained in the Book of Concord except for that concerning predestination in the Formula of Concord. After studying Luther's Bondage of the Will I'm in agreement with him that Scripture teaches that God has predestined people to both heaven and hell. I therefore consider the single predestination doctrine taught in the FC as false doctrine, and for that reason I wouldn't attend an ELCE church.
@Leonhard Hutter I don't accept that confessional Lutherans correctly interpret Roman 9. It's clear from what Paul says that he's teaching that God not only has predestined people to be saved, but also has predestined people to be damned.
Romans 9:18-22 ESV - So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. ¹⁹ You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” ²⁰ But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” ²¹ Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? ²² What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
The vessels of wrath have been prepared by God for destruction as He is the potter who not only molds the vessels of honour which correspond to those who are to be saved, but also the vessels of dishonour (the vessels of wrath) which correspond to those who are to be damned.
Confessional Lutherans won't accept that God only has mercy on some people not everyone, and that He hardens others in their unbelief simply because He wills to. Those who are damned aren't damned because they resist the regeneration of the Holy Spirit as Lutherans teach, but because they are never intended by the Holy Spirit to be regenerated. This is Luther's understanding in The Bondage of the Will where he makes a distinction between the outer drawing and the inner drawing of the Word, with the latter irresistibly regenerating those who are to be saved.
I agree that people are damned because of their sins, but there's no synergistic component. Those who are damned aren't damned because they could have been saved if they hadn't resisted. Paul teaches the reverse that it is in God's hands whether a person is damned. Paul says: You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” That only makes sense in the context of people being hardened in unbelief so that they're damned simply because God wills it. If people are hardened by God in response to their resistance to the Holy Spirit then there would be no grounds to complain that God's will can't be resisted. How could one object to God's will if people deserved being hardened because they resisted being saved? One would rather say that it serves them right.
Genuine Lutheranism teaches double predestination as the early Lutherans did. It was Chemnitz and those who followed him who were responsible for introducing the false doctrine of single predestination.
@Leonhard Hutter I would like to add that I'm not denying that God through Christ desires to save everyone, but this isn't to be confused with what God has determined and predestined to happen. I'm in agreement with Luther that God through His hidden will has predestined all things including who will be saved and who will be damned, and that there's no free will either to choose to be saved or to choose to be damned.
The position which confessional Lutherans have adopted, namely that God hasn't willed and predestined anyone to be damned, but has only predestined people to be saved, is not only unscriptural but also logically contradictory, and nothing logically contradictory can ever be true in reality. Since God has predestined some to be saved and only they are saved, it follows that those who are not saved are predestined to be damned, because it's impossible for them to avoid being damned, since only those whom God has predestined to save are saved.
It has to be the case that if monergism is Scriptural (which it is) that those not saved by God aren't willed by God's hidden will to be saved. There's absolutely no way around this. God has a general desire to save everyone through Christ, but that doesn't impinge upon what God has determined in eternity to actually bring about. Everything that happens does so in accordance with His hidden will since He is omnipotent, and since He is also omniscient everything must happen in accordance with His foreknowledge. So everything that happens is predestined and willed by God to happen. This is Luther's position in The Bondage of the Will.
@Leonhard Hutter Article 5 of the Augsburg Confession states: "To obtain such faith God instituted the office of the ministry, that is, provided the Gospel and the sacraments. Through these, as through means, he gives the Holy Spirit, who works faith, when and where he pleases, in those who hear the Gospel” (Tappert).
Luther will have undoubtedly understood this as teaching that God wills to regenerate through the Gospel and the Holy Spirit only those He wills to (i.e. the elect), and when He wills to. The interpretation of the Formula of Concord that it teaches the universal operation of the Holy Spirit in the means of grace is false. It doesn't teach this. The idea that the Holy Spirit is active in the Word towards all who hear it, and that He wills to regenerate everyone through it, and that a failure to be regenerated is due to resistance on the part of those who hear the Gospel, is foreign to the text. That was Chemnitz's interpretation but it's false. The Holy Spirit on the contrary regenerates irresistibly only those whom God has predestined to save, and those who are damned aren't recipients of the Holy Spirit's working. This is Luther's position in The Bondage of the Will. Whether Chemnitz realised it or not the truth is he wasn't in agreement with Luther's position, and he reformulated Lutheranism by teaching something which is not only logically contradictory but also unscriptural.
Confessional Lutherans have been deceived by false doctrine on predestination, and false doctrine is fatal to a person if held in defiance of accepting what Scripture actually teaches. No doubt some confessional Lutherans are simply lacking in understanding and can be considered to be true Christians, but those who are theologically educated and informed shouldn't be considered to be true Christians as they refuse to accept what Scripture teaches, which is that God in addition to having predestined some people to be saved has predestined the others to be damned.
@Leonhard Hutter By the way I didn't set out to find fault with confessional Lutheran teaching on predestination. When I realised, after reading about Luther, that I was in agreement with him on justification, (I'd been brought up a Catholic and knew next to nothing about him in the beginning), I didn't realise that Lutheranism had deviated from what Luther held on predestination. I read the Book of Concord and was in basic agreement with its teaching. It was only after studying The Bondage of the Will that I began to realise that what Luther held and what was taught in the Formula of Concord didn't tally. I became convinced that Luther's position on predestination was the correct Scriptural position and that the FC position wasn't. I saw that Luther was actually a Calvinist despite the claims of confessional Lutherans that he wasn't. This then resulted in me having to defend the true Scriptural and Lutheran teaching on predestination. I basically can't remain silent when I see that Lutheranism has been corrupted by false doctrine and that people have been indoctrinated against holding the truth on predestination, which is that God has predestined all things and there's no free will to either choose to believe or to choose not to believe in Christ. One is either predestined by God to be saved or predestined by God to be damned.
@Leonhard Hutter I want to deal with some Scripture verses which are relevant:
Romans 9:18 ESV - So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
Matthew 13:11 ESV - To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
John 6:44 ESV - No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.
John 6:64-65 ESV - But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) ⁶⁵ And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
The above verses show that God doesn't will to convert everyone to Christ so that they're saved. Christ says that some of them didn't believe because they hadn't been drawn by the Father and granted the ability to believe. So He obviously didn't agree with the confessional Lutheran position that lays the blame on people for resisting the Holy Spirit. Christ is saying they haven't been granted the ability to believe by the Father, which means that the Holy Spirit hasn't been sent to them by the Father in order to convert them.
So Acts 7:51 (... you always resist the Holy Spirit ...) isn't referring to resistance to the regeneration of the Holy Spirit, but only to resistance to the Word which is inspired by the Holy Spirit. If it is understood as confessional Lutherans understand it, (i.e. as implying the universal operation of the Holy Spirit in the Word) then it would contradict John 6.
With regards to other verses referred to by confessional Lutherans in support of their doctrine of universal grace I'm in agreement with Luther that they refer only to God's revealed will not to His hidden will. The fact that God through Christ desires to save everyone doesn't invalidate the truth that God in majesty has willed, foreknown and predestined all things from eternity, and now in time He brings them to pass. This explains why some people are saved and others are damned.
Confessional Lutherans merely pay lip service to the fact that God is omnipotent and omniscient without comprehending what this means. Since He is omniscient this means the future is fixed and unalterable, and since He is omnipotent He wills to happen what He foreknows will happen. In fact the only way He foreknows everything that's going to happen is because He's willed and predestined it to happen and now He's bringing it to pass. Nothing can happen which He doesn't will to happen by His hidden will. This fact of course will be resisted by most people because they won't want to believe that God wills anything which appears to them as being harmful and evil. But it has to be the case that He does will whatever comes to pass, because if He didn't will it, it wouldn't happen as He's omnipotent and can do as He wills, with no one to stop Him. So if people are damned that's because He wills to damn them from eternity before they were born.
Brother, I urge you to rebuke Tapani for his teaching on the Torah's authorship.
Historically, it's not been atheists on the outside but pro-atheist syncretism on the inside that's ruined our Churches.
In his Sexagesima Eucharistic service video he flat out says that there was a major redaction event after the Babylonian exile in which the chapters relaying the curses of disobedience were "possibly" made longer/more numerous than the chapters which relayed the blessings of obedience. God knows what else he thinks was redacted. And if those anonymous redactors were inspired, in any meaningful sense.
I fell asleep about 3:50 in...this Fin has no gills
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Torille
TORILLE! :D
It’s too bad he doesn’t speak real English, he sounds like a great and well spoken Pastor. I’m glad I can understand enough Britisheese to get by.
Spell Color lol
Lutheranism is going woke. I laugh.
These are real Lutherans … they are theologically conservative, and anti-woke.
I don't accept that introducing satire when dealing with Christianity and its teachings is appropriate. It trivializes things of importance and makes them appear objects of fun. There's room for humour in other matters, but when treating Christianity one shouldn't deal with it in a light hearted manner. One is in danger of making a mockery of it. God isn't someone who should be trifled with, which is what I believe is happening when we don't treat everything concerning His Word with respect and seriousness. Jesus wasn't a comedian and nor were his disciples. Combining humour with Christian faith is verging on sacrilege
knowing Tapani for many years, I can assure you that whilst he has a great sense of humour, and I may not agree with all he says, there is no doubt he serves our Lord and being in a very small church he lives by faith month to month
@@peedlejaydle I agree with Luther that the Holy Spirit only teaches the truth and doesn't allow Christians to believe false doctrines, with the exception of those who aren’t familiar with the truth on certain doctrines and are open to being corrected on them. However it's hard to believe that any of those who have been theologically educated as Lutheran pastors aren't familiar with the doctrine of double predestination and are open to being corrected on this. They rejected that God has predestined anyone to hell when they pledged their allegiance to the teaching contained in the Formula of Concord so it's difficult to see how any of them would be willing to go back on this. My conclusion therefore is that generally speaking pastors who subscribe unconditionally to the FC don't have the Holy Spirit and aren't true Christians. However, it's possible that there are one or two exceptions who on reflection will accept that God has predestined some people to hell.
See my other replies below this video for Scriptural proof of double predestination, and that this was Luther's teaching in The Bondage of the Will.