Forgot to mention it in the video, but if you have specific build questions I as always have a dedicated thread in my discord, linked in the description. I try to answer questions there as best I can.
I did blueprint rush strat myself, i did 400 blueprints, i rush in 2-3m per, i only got 1 focused amulet and 1 helical ring. As far as i can say, these heist base are extremely rare, you dont expect getting them as a profit but a big jackpot hit. If you ignore everything and only rush to the last room, you will burn money extremely fast and barely recover/regain. Not only that, you have to run contract to reveal the blueprint, and these contracts cost time as well, i did run contracts with special enchant, but it still time consuming. So im confident to say, unless u can play heist 16 hours a day, dont rush, just run it as normal.
I've heard ZenM say that it takes like 1000 blueprints on average to get a focused amulet, based on his and his friends' experience summarized (he runs heist optimized like every league start)
Streamers always ignore the fact that their uber currency ALWAYS boils down to "play the game for 16 hours in a row" as if you can't make hundreds of divines running any content for that time. Lmao and the entire shtick relies on a simplex amulet drop, you might as well run cemetery tier 7 hoping for a mageblood
If you run 100 juiced t7 cemetary, you have like 10% chance to get a Mageblood, and maybe as much to get HH, so that's not too bad. If you run 1000, you will definitely drop both. You will also be able to buy them 10 times each. So that's a decent strat. Heist, on the other side, is dubious.
it is so interesting to see how every guide Im looking at for any mechanism, always seems to be sucking out the actually fun about the activity and turning it into work with a payout of div/hrs
Thanks for the helpful guide! People in here complaining that this kind of play "takes away the fun" but that is because fun is subjective. So an informative how-to video works best explaining efficiency and min/maxing. That way afterwards you have the knowledge to go as fast or slow as you want, or ignore all the advice completely, in whatever way is most fun for you.
15div/hour best case scenario if you drop simplex and/or focused amulet within 20 hours (some people don't get one within 100 according to tft heist chat). Then you also have to wait to sell the base, taking into account that its 1 month into the league and sales on big items will inevitably slow down now. TLDR - only if you enjoy opening doors in heist for days waiting for your 1 big ticket item to drop to finally make profit.
That big ticket item may also never drop. I ran over 100 BPs and only got one helical ring, no belt, Fulcrum, amulet. I then realized my time would be a lot better spent elsewhere - well, I knew this already but wanted to try Heist as low-effort content I could do while watching TV, which is how I enjoyed ToTA. Turns out even that wasn't really possible without all the crashes from Nenet and sometimes even other members during reward rooms. I ended up disabling all voicelines and non-loot filter sounds in the config file and that helped, but imagine getting an amulet or belt then it crashes on the way out.. I would be done with the game for a bit. If you don't want to MF, bossrushing invitations is a lot simpler to set up and more profitable than heist on average.
@@andrewdnistriansky3719 i 've gotten 2 mirrors over the last 100mf maps, should i also count them in expected average profit from mfing now that we count in fulcrums as a reliable source of income from heist ?. Cutedog once looted 8 mirrors from a single sanctum, that's 374div / minute dude.
Wait, why would sales slow down one month into the league? I've never looked at it but I always assumed that this is the time that big ticke items would go up. People with any sort of life (most people) are finally getting the money to buy the one or two big ticket items to finish out their build for the league at this point. Also, students who were doing finals during the first couple weeks of the league are finally in their second or third week of no-life grinding over break and getting the money for them as well. Those two groups should account for most of the player base and most of the demand, no?
For heist to be super profitable, you really need to put time into the initial setup, have an optimized build (perm phasing, onslaught, >200% MS), and reeeally know what youre doing.. if you just want to casually dip into it, youre better off just doing alc n go red altars... But if youre bored of the league, thats the best time to fully dive in and commit to it.
Relevant 3.23 Tip. In affliction league especially, Ultimatum reward rooms are an unmentioned room worth opening. Current Catalyst prices make it very worth it. Make sure to check your markets people!
Good stuff Ducks. As a new player it's so helpful when y'all really deep dive the mechanics in the current state of the game. I never know when I'm watching a video like this from say crucible league if something major has changed. I know it's tedious to redo them every league but we appreciate it! Very concise, relatable, and knowledgeable
Thanks for this detailed guide! This shows perfectly why these bases are so extremely expensive. You would have to pay me good money to play this. I am very conflicted about heist being in the game. On one hand I have nothing against other people having fun opening doors, on the other hand I want these bases to be cheaper which ain't gonna happen with how little fun this is for a lot of people, myself included. Nothing about what you described sounded fun to me.
I honestly think that those that are exceptionally rich prioritize profit over fun. Especially those that roll sextants and buy tons of stacked decks at the beginning of each league. At least heist is more fun than that, but it still requires huge investment in profit over fun for sure.
Got exhausted by my low DPS build so why not? Why not jump into the Heist - after long pause caused by severe burnout it's good to see old crew again. And new items and reshuffled rewards helps too
Two additions from an SSF Player: 1. Since your often go for Vynderi in Blueprints, you may also choose duplicate Catalysts. Catalysts are extremly profitable in Trade and your getting A LOT, since no one does Ultimatum. 2. Fragmentrooms are also pretty lucretaive, since they drop Offerings of the Godess, which is around 7-8c when selling in bulk Enjoy!
Appreciate this because I got a simplex and knew to split it because of this video, heh :) It's not as efficient as your strategy, but I've been doing heists slowly, running my own contracts and blueprints I loot from doing maps with the passives. I run all my heists scoured and kill all the mobs for very safe xp. I'm level 99 now and got my first big hit- simplex! Best reward I got previous to now was a 6d replica and a divine orb here and there. Sold the first split of the simplex, now I'm rich and don't know what to do.........
I started this league with heist trying to farm stacked decks. Made all my rogue gear myself. I gave them all the divination card dup mods… not the currency mods… not the lesson I expected to learn and a bit late now that im like 3k decks farmed but thanks for the lesson Big Ducks!
dont expect to make this kind of money on heist lol. ive done over 200 blueprints and have never found one of the really big items. 1 fulcrum was my best find. a couple of 5-6 div things and quite a few tempering/tailoring orbs. the majority of the time i dont even bother opening the final cases because there is only trash inside. in div/hr this is way behind invitation farming and nowhere near MF abyss.
Thank you for the great guide! Unless I missed it, I don't think you mentioned if rarity greatly affects any of these strategies. I mean whether a contract or blueprint is run white, blue, or yellow. Sorry if this seems like a novice question, but I decided to skip Heist league back in the day.
@@Y0y0Jester I guess I stand corrected! I always ran them rare because that's how my friend taught me, but I think that's for normal heists where you can get mods that reduce alert and stuff
Hy Big Duck thanks for the video ! What is your leveling process for this build ? how do you get to level 90 before switch on your build do you go in 5 way or do you level by yourself and if this is the case what gem have you use for ?
In the POB the Perepiteia has a invalid implicit, POB recognize it as a base mana regen. It says "+25% Mana regeneration rate", where as it should be "25% increased mana regeneration rate". It's a difference of 3 rage regen, a somewhat minor thing, but can make it confusing when you can't hit the same with similar gear.
Did this build, I love it, I feel like a race car with 280% more speed, playing it on Xbox is kind of a challenge:) I am trying not to bump too much into walls...
As someone who spent 60+ hours on heist this league I have never seen a micro distillery or simplex yet heist isn’t very profitable unless you have streamer client!!
I really love heist but the load times on getting in/out of the city is sooo bad. It is sometimes two minutes and when i then get a good trade i have to leave again without being able to continue my current progress
@big duck what kind of auto potion script do you use? your potions are constantly being used while your hands arent even on the keyboard. i have one but it doesnt go auto like that. id like to have it please
Blueprint runs was amazing consistent div/hr for a league start. getting 7-8 div an hr as a fairly fresh day 1 character was great. That's been completely gutter stomped and essentially forced you into investing ALOT more. i ran 40 or so blueprint 3 wings this league, i barely made returns. Running heist previously with unusual gems was just.. great..Not enough dopamine between jackpots to keep me wanting to stick with it
I think its similar to Uber Lab farmer in some ways yeah, I don't know a ton about how Uber Lab builds are setup, I think they use some kind of weapon switch dps setup.
Never heard of the split modifier before, the explanation you gave left me a bit confused. I didn't understand why a split was more but after looking it up, I understand that all the bases on the trade site are splits and that was why the non-splits are worth double.
A split item is an item that has been taken to bestiary and then a "Fenumal Plagued Arachnid" Beast is used to split the item into 2 parts with all the mods broken up onto two items. Obviously this has the upside of giving you an extra whole item (in this case a second amulet to sell or use), the downside being that you can't split the item again. The reason a non-split amulet is worth about 2x the price is because the buyer can make 2 amulets out of it.
One comment from my side regarding Repica Dreamfeather. Good rolls on those are still worth it. 10%as + high phys roll is selling for like 5 div, lower phys roll with 10% as are going for 2-3 divs. Sold multiple of them this league.
So why is simplex ammy worth double of focused ammy? IS it just because of MF, getting a quant suffix on the simplex? The focused ammy has two prefixes, so it can be a +4 ammy. What can beat that in damage?
I passed up a simplex amulet in my second blueprint this league because I eas too busy price checking the replica uniques and had no idea the amulet base is so expensive....
Every time I look up strategies for how to run certain things or play a certain class and I find these videos, my eyes glaze over and I loose all motivation to play the game at all. It becomes all about efficiency and currency per hour. Like in the end game, you're not even playing the game anymore. You skip 99% of the content because it's the best way to win. It's about as interesting to me as winning a fighting game by being able to crouch block in the corner until the timer runs out. I guess at least the main story is interesting and challenging at times.
a common struggle. Best advice is to never compare yourself with anyone in the game, becaus they probably don’t enjoy playing the game the same way you do. Every streamer will tell you the most important thing is to play the game how YOU like, then just look to others for inspiration and steal their good ideas (-8
I feel like Heist, Betrayal and Beastiary all need reworks to be made simplier. The complexities really take away from the "kills monsters get loot" fun cycle to me.
You don't have to interact with those league mechanics if you don't enjoy it. There are different league mechanics for different people. Not all league mechanics need to be like legion or breach.
Nothing will change, maybe fulcrum will be a little bit cheaper, people will just drop heist when they realise it's a shit farm if you are not running 600+ blueprints per day
If I got a nickle for everytime I see a poe player make a laughable prediction I wouldn't be rich but I'd probably made enough money to buy a nice car.
Yeah, there is a lot of profit to be made in Heist, I used it last league to get my first few divines, but then I got boooored of it. I filled my heist stash with contracts that I never bothered running. And probably never will run. I'm done with Heist. Forever. Will maybe run a blueprint for the achievement this league.
Great guide as usual! Do you have any approximate spawn rates for the various high-end experimented bases like the rings and amulets? As in how many wings you would need to run on average to find one.
I have heard as little as 100 blueprints and as much as 1000 blueprints for the amulets. At this point I don't think enough people have done heist to give you accurate numbers. I also cannot realistically farm that much heist myself, we are talking like 1000+ hours of heisting to have somewhat accurate results unfortunately.
I would love to get this going; but „Nenet“ crashing most of my blueprints where she is in and me being unable to get her to lvl 5 perception makes it hard. GGG is aware of this issue though; i wonder if you had any with her?
Yeah I mentioned it briefly in the video, for a while you can just not run lvl 5 perception blueprints if youre worried and give Karst +1 all for anything up to level 4. It is at the top of their known issues thread.
Idk i feel like us heist enjoyers are a very small minorty so blueprint prices should be fairly safe? Unless theres too many highlights of people getting 1 mirror base types (3.24) also if builds still use the base types as bis.
I have a question. i made a dedicated heistbuild roughly following your example. And i got the following problem : Since i cant kill the mobs my rouges get stuck infront of the rewardroom trying to fight mobs and i cant open the rewards since they need to enter the room for that. Any tips on how to get them to not attack mobs ?
I ran about 400 contracts and about 100 blueprints 83+ got one simplex 86, one fulcrum, one microdistillery. Still have revealed blueprints with perception 5 that I am afraid to run due to crashes with Nenet. Overall its decent profit eve without big drops as you get DIV as reward quite often.( Had 5 div in curio once)
can you please tell me how to price check non uniques like that distillary belt in this video, I mean I can remember just yesterday I had a blueprint where it had higher mods than the one here but I thought that was shitt and missed it for some 5 c replica unique, I'm sooo pissed dude 😢
Hey ducks! Was wondering if you think the poet's pen frostblink of wintry blast occultist would be a good substitute for heisting. I'm really bad at levelling a character but I'd like to get into heisting!
i just slapped on a mage blood with quick silver and onslaught flask and some other move speed stuff and feel plenty fast, i don't think you need a dedicated build.
I like heist and made decent money on it, even in this stupid league. One thing really needs a fix though. FUCKING ROUGE HARBOR. It's a clusterfuck of MTX that makes loading screens 3 times longer than they need to be. And this is a mechanic where you see loading screens really, really often. You're supposed to spam contracts. And I mean spam, run 30 in one session, then do some reveals then run BP's. Staring at 30-60 second loading screens just to load other people's clown suits will drive you nuts.
Hihi, very new player here. Just for clarification, around 19:10 you mentioned "Split beasts" and "splitting". What is that in reference to? Thanks for your time!
Hello! Split is basically a beast craft that allows you to create 2 or 3 of the same item base with half or 1/3 of the mods on each item from the original. People usually split item bases which may cost lots of divines, basically duplicating the base item to share or sell for more profit!😊
You forgot to add in crafting instructions for the cluster jewel you use. It's a LOT cheaper to craft yourself than buy Buy a medium cluster jewel of ilevel 50 or higher get some one socket resonators, and get some shuddering fossils use them. You'll get it pretty quick, and it'll be way cheaper than the 6 divines on trade
You can have +2 deception (+1 globaland + 1 deception )giana wich is hard to craft but should IN THEORY reduce cost even more( never had that thou so cant test )
@@Intestine_Ballin-ism I would say it IS hard. Those are both prefixes so you cannot just Alt spam til your brain rots. You need to hit 2 different 100/21600 prefixes through alt/regal or chaos spam. good luck.
According to craftofexile, that particular combination of mods (+1 to level of all jobs/+1 to deception level) will cost 4700 chaos (approx 22 div) on average to craft, (i.e. it requires 39,000 alteration, 20,000 augmentation, and 363 each of regal, scour, and transmute). Unless you are running enough blueprints to save more than 4700 chaos in markers (at 300 markers for 1 chaos - this is the rate used in the video), you would have to save more than 1.4 _million_ markers to make this craft worth your while. And since that 1.4 million is at most 5% of the blueprint cost, that means you would need to run a total of 28.2 million rogue's markers worth of blueprints to make back your investment. If it's 10,000 markers for Gianna to reveal 3 wings in a 4 wing blueprint, that is 2,820 blueprints, which is not really feasible.
So I did some testing and i want to share my results with you all. I run 144 Bp Fully revealed/520 wings these are the results: 2.2k stacked decks 10 div 25 tempering orbs 20 tailoring orbs 1 replica HH 2 Replica Alberons 2 Hyrris Ire 2 Replica Cortex Map 2 Replica Farruls Fur 3 Micro distillery Belt 1 composite ring 1 Simplex Amulet
i'm about 300 wings in so far and my results are similar to yours. i'm going to do 300 more wings, but basically if I don't find a simplex or focused amulet this will be a huge waste of time lol. I'm certainly not losing money but i'm not really gaining either. it's partly my fault because i'm just rushing the show cases. i'm less focused on div per hour and really just want the rush of finding a simplex and crafting it.
Could this build do a boss rush/invitation farm to self sustain the contracts? (Basically will it be able to say kill a t16 map boss & possibly a harbingers?)
I like heist but my game crashes randomly when there are other players around. Mostly happens in heist. I have a very good pc, everything is up to date. I run all maps with very high fps. Shame you can not start heist from your hideout Great video as always. I am currently running your fragmented kinetic bolt build, it slaps
I've had problems w/ Nenet causing crashs in Blueprints/contracts..I don't run them anymore and it seems to have stopped. Might be something to look into
Yup heist is unstable as hell this week. Loading into rogue Harbour takes almost a minute on SSD thanks to MTX eye vomit. Almost worth skipping heist due to thag reason alone
Yeah Rogue Harbour is pretty bad during prime time. I've been wondering whether it's worth playing on a server with low population. High ping shouldn't be that big of an issue since you're just running in an out.
Yeah, I crash on average 2-3 times while in the harbor if I don't get in/out fast enough. IMO, if delve camp doesn't have to show you other players, then the harbor shouldn't either.
Split bases just can't be split again, thats why they added the tag because people were splitting very good bases constantly. It functions as a normal item otherwise.
@@skikke18 Split beasts from Bestiary and fossils from Delve were used at some point a while back. The split tag only exists as a way to prevent multiple copies of the same item. If I'm remembering correctly people were splitting gilded fossil items for mirror shards repeatedly, and there were some 6 white socket bases being split at some stage too.
While this is a valid strategy i could not just run to the end and out empty handed. I always go for divination rooms this make for heist much less boring because let's face it everyone's looking for those bases now and you will have 1 or 2 every 100-200 jobs IF YOU'RE LUCKY! (i think the average is around 400ish). Also run smuggler chests while doing maps this way you dont have to buy that many.
I invested about 60+ divines and 16-18hours of time into doing hiest in search of these new gg bases. while I did make most of currency back, I certainly will never get the time I spent opening doors back. I did roughly 1500 wings before giving up, because I got so fucking tired of seeing shitty rares and uniques over and over and over agin. while I did find some t0 uniques, micro distillery belts, and some jewerly, they're all worth 1-3divs which is NOTHING this league. the manifold ring, which i found 3 of, are worth nothing. i also found -3pref + 3 suff rings, they are worth nothing. So even if you do find some hiest jewerly, if it's not the right type it's worth NOTHING. (i'm pretty sure manifold and helical rings have the same rarity.) rushing display cases is kind of like opening your map and praying you see a divine alter and leaving if you don't find it. The guy who found 2 alters in 500 maps might be thrilled with the strat, while the guy who ran 1000 maps and didn't see an alter would quit the league. you are 1000000x better off farming the currency for your simplex than trying to get one heisting. Perhaps big ducks got lucky or perhaps I threw in the towel too early, but i'm absolutely done heisting this league. actually if you want to make money heisting, run 100s of decpetion contracts and build up a lot of reveals, then buy a bunch of blueprints on tft and reveal them. then sell them back on tft for 2div each fully revealed.
there is anothervery popular build with general's cry and redblade banner according to ninja and what most heist runners from tft wear, anyone saw the guide for it?
For reference, I got my first simplex after ~1400 wings and focused after ~1600. While this case is quite unlucky (on average you should get one of both every 900 wings or so according to my research), but... it could happen to you as well. And it could totally be WORSE. Variance so high means it's completely alright to get no grand drops even after 2k+ wings. Wishful thinking can bring you into a world of disappointment here, random viewer. You should still totally do it if you like heist, just... maybe don't if failing 100 wings will break your heart. UPD. I really have to point out that you should only trust this video about speedrunning blueprints. It is a valid strat, and it will even work pretty well with this build. Other than that... this video is massively wrong about much. While there are no streamers that would reveal the little-known secrets of heist, you can still find a much more solid coverage of basics. Elsewhere.
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Forgot to mention it in the video, but if you have specific build questions I as always have a dedicated thread in my discord, linked in the description. I try to answer questions there as best I can.
Is there any reason to run contracts magic or rare? I’ve always just ran them white
@@tommylongschlong3646 afaik it only affects the monster drops and not the chest drops, so you can also just run them white
@@DanielDyczek And the alert ? You shit on it ?
So... You're telling me that Heist is dead. That you should be doing Lab runs instead?
does rarity affect reward room? more rarity = better chance for heist bases?
I did blueprint rush strat myself, i did 400 blueprints, i rush in 2-3m per, i only got 1 focused amulet and 1 helical ring. As far as i can say, these heist base are extremely rare, you dont expect getting them as a profit but a big jackpot hit. If you ignore everything and only rush to the last room, you will burn money extremely fast and barely recover/regain. Not only that, you have to run contract to reveal the blueprint, and these contracts cost time as well, i did run contracts with special enchant, but it still time consuming. So im confident to say, unless u can play heist 16 hours a day, dont rush, just run it as normal.
I've heard ZenM say that it takes like 1000 blueprints on average to get a focused amulet, based on his and his friends' experience summarized (he runs heist optimized like every league start)
Streamers always ignore the fact that their uber currency ALWAYS boils down to "play the game for 16 hours in a row" as if you can't make hundreds of divines running any content for that time. Lmao and the entire shtick relies on a simplex amulet drop, you might as well run cemetery tier 7 hoping for a mageblood
If you run 100 juiced t7 cemetary, you have like 10% chance to get a Mageblood, and maybe as much to get HH, so that's not too bad. If you run 1000, you will definitely drop both. You will also be able to buy them 10 times each.
So that's a decent strat.
Heist, on the other side, is dubious.
@@oneoranota A grand heist doesnt cost 2 div invest tho. A fully juiced t7 cemetery does.
@@oneoranota it's cemetery map, fucking hell, you see map with name and name it wrong...
I understand everything about this video but I can't for the life of me ignore Divination rooms. love those rooms too much.
Packs are worth over 10c in bulk right now so go wild
The devs sure dont lol
same problem with blight rooms here... idk why
it is so interesting to see how every guide Im looking at for any mechanism, always seems to be sucking out the actually fun about the activity and turning it into work with a payout of div/hrs
I've been doing heist when I get bored mapping or when I feel unlucky and bad stepping on graves... I love it now
Thanks for the helpful guide! People in here complaining that this kind of play "takes away the fun" but that is because fun is subjective. So an informative how-to video works best explaining efficiency and min/maxing. That way afterwards you have the knowledge to go as fast or slow as you want, or ignore all the advice completely, in whatever way is most fun for you.
15div/hour best case scenario if you drop simplex and/or focused amulet within 20 hours (some people don't get one within 100 according to tft heist chat). Then you also have to wait to sell the base, taking into account that its 1 month into the league and sales on big items will inevitably slow down now.
TLDR - only if you enjoy opening doors in heist for days waiting for your 1 big ticket item to drop to finally make profit.
That big ticket item may also never drop. I ran over 100 BPs and only got one helical ring, no belt, Fulcrum, amulet. I then realized my time would be a lot better spent elsewhere - well, I knew this already but wanted to try Heist as low-effort content I could do while watching TV, which is how I enjoyed ToTA.
Turns out even that wasn't really possible without all the crashes from Nenet and sometimes even other members during reward rooms. I ended up disabling all voicelines and non-loot filter sounds in the config file and that helped, but imagine getting an amulet or belt then it crashes on the way out.. I would be done with the game for a bit.
If you don't want to MF, bossrushing invitations is a lot simpler to set up and more profitable than heist on average.
I ran 1000 wings and got 20div/hour with no amulet drop. Got 3 helicars and like 4-5 fulcrums
@@andrewdnistriansky3719 i 've gotten 2 mirrors over the last 100mf maps, should i also count them in expected average profit from mfing now that we count in fulcrums as a reliable source of income from heist ?.
Cutedog once looted 8 mirrors from a single sanctum, that's 374div / minute dude.
Wait, why would sales slow down one month into the league? I've never looked at it but I always assumed that this is the time that big ticke items would go up. People with any sort of life (most people) are finally getting the money to buy the one or two big ticket items to finish out their build for the league at this point. Also, students who were doing finals during the first couple weeks of the league are finally in their second or third week of no-life grinding over break and getting the money for them as well. Those two groups should account for most of the player base and most of the demand, no?
sales do not slow down that much and u can always undercut by a few divs lol
For heist to be super profitable, you really need to put time into the initial setup, have an optimized build (perm phasing, onslaught, >200% MS), and reeeally know what youre doing.. if you just want to casually dip into it, youre better off just doing alc n go red altars... But if youre bored of the league, thats the best time to fully dive in and commit to it.
Relevant 3.23 Tip. In affliction league especially, Ultimatum reward rooms are an unmentioned room worth opening. Current Catalyst prices make it very worth it. Make sure to check your markets people!
Good stuff Ducks. As a new player it's so helpful when y'all really deep dive the mechanics in the current state of the game. I never know when I'm watching a video like this from say crucible league if something major has changed. I know it's tedious to redo them every league but we appreciate it! Very concise, relatable, and knowledgeable
Thanks for this detailed guide! This shows perfectly why these bases are so extremely expensive. You would have to pay me good money to play this. I am very conflicted about heist being in the game. On one hand I have nothing against other people having fun opening doors, on the other hand I want these bases to be cheaper which ain't gonna happen with how little fun this is for a lot of people, myself included. Nothing about what you described sounded fun to me.
I honestly think that those that are exceptionally rich prioritize profit over fun. Especially those that roll sextants and buy tons of stacked decks at the beginning of each league. At least heist is more fun than that, but it still requires huge investment in profit over fun for sure.
Got exhausted by my low DPS build so why not?
Why not jump into the Heist - after long pause caused by severe burnout it's good to see old crew again. And new items and reshuffled rewards helps too
GOD this looks like a great way to turn poe into a job.
100%. Why even play a game if all you do is operate on efficiency?
how do you get that extra space beside inventory ?
need a 3.24 version for this build
Two additions from an SSF Player:
1. Since your often go for Vynderi in Blueprints, you may also choose duplicate Catalysts. Catalysts are extremly profitable in Trade and your getting A LOT, since no one does Ultimatum.
2. Fragmentrooms are also pretty lucretaive, since they drop Offerings of the Godess, which is around 7-8c when selling in bulk
Enjoy!
0:31 crouching vs 1:12 sitting up ultra serious gameplay XD
Is the rarity important for a blueprint ? (Normal, Magic, Rare)
Appreciate this because I got a simplex and knew to split it because of this video, heh :) It's not as efficient as your strategy, but I've been doing heists slowly, running my own contracts and blueprints I loot from doing maps with the passives. I run all my heists scoured and kill all the mobs for very safe xp. I'm level 99 now and got my first big hit- simplex! Best reward I got previous to now was a 6d replica and a divine orb here and there. Sold the first split of the simplex, now I'm rich and don't know what to do.........
I started this league with heist trying to farm stacked decks. Made all my rogue gear myself. I gave them all the divination card dup mods… not the currency mods… not the lesson I expected to learn and a bit late now that im like 3k decks farmed but thanks for the lesson Big Ducks!
Is the final room rewards dependent on the level of blueprint?
dont expect to make this kind of money on heist lol. ive done over 200 blueprints and have never found one of the really big items. 1 fulcrum was my best find. a couple of 5-6 div things and quite a few tempering/tailoring orbs. the majority of the time i dont even bother opening the final cases because there is only trash inside.
in div/hr this is way behind invitation farming and nowhere near MF abyss.
why should i even roll them? i run them all white because iir/iiq doesn't affect heist chests
Thank you for the great guide! Unless I missed it, I don't think you mentioned if rarity greatly affects any of these strategies. I mean whether a contract or blueprint is run white, blue, or yellow.
Sorry if this seems like a novice question, but I decided to skip Heist league back in the day.
The rarity(tier) of the CONTRACT will increase drops, but any quant/item rarity that you get from MF items will not do anything
@@EzolunaI heard the rarity only affects drops from guards which should be irrelevant in our case and won't affect chest loot?
@@Y0y0Jester I guess I stand corrected! I always ran them rare because that's how my friend taught me, but I think that's for normal heists where you can get mods that reduce alert and stuff
Hy Big Duck thanks for the video ! What is your leveling process for this build ? how do you get to level 90 before switch on your build do you go in 5 way or do you level by yourself and if this is the case what gem have you use for ?
There is a specific tree for farming the heist?
How do you avoid crashing everytime you load into rogue harbor? Lol
I actually had to re-record 2-3 times because of my assets flashing from all the people there.
In the POB the Perepiteia has a invalid implicit, POB recognize it as a base mana regen.
It says "+25% Mana regeneration rate", where as it should be "25% increased mana regeneration rate".
It's a difference of 3 rage regen, a somewhat minor thing, but can make it confusing when you can't hit the same with similar gear.
Defiance of Destiny + Imutable Force + Bloodnotch + No stun immunity for invulerability when traversing heist.
Added a PoB with these as an option.
@@BigDucks oh wow, didn't expect that.
Did this build, I love it, I feel like a race car with 280% more speed, playing it on Xbox is kind of a challenge:) I am trying not to bump too much into walls...
As someone who spent 60+ hours on heist this league I have never seen a micro distillery or simplex yet heist isn’t very profitable unless you have streamer client!!
I really love heist but the load times on getting in/out of the city is sooo bad. It is sometimes two minutes and when i then get a good trade i have to leave again without being able to continue my current progress
I sold one of those Focused ones for ~80 div around the first week.
It was a 100 div undersell even then lol.
It was like my third ilvl83 Blueprint.
early currency like that is enough to make up for any undersell usually =P still sucks but gz on the find i need one of these puppies bad
@@Chad-mx1pd You're right. It was a pretty big jump-start for me this league, regardless
@big duck what kind of auto potion script do you use? your potions are constantly being used while your hands arent even on the keyboard. i have one but it doesnt go auto like that. id like to have it please
That's a line on it. "Used when charges are full" or something like that.
Ms and even as cannot be modified below base value as well as trickster note dont make you stun immune, it is a common myth 24:20
Heist? No thanks. (figured id go ahead and get this over with)
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Yeah I can’t stand heist
Blueprint runs was amazing consistent div/hr for a league start. getting 7-8 div an hr as a fairly fresh day 1 character was great. That's been completely gutter stomped and essentially forced you into investing ALOT more. i ran 40 or so blueprint 3 wings this league, i barely made returns. Running heist previously with unusual gems was just.. great..Not enough dopamine between jackpots to keep me wanting to stick with it
Do you have to do quest like heist contracts in order to setup everything for leveling and such?
Could this build be altered to be able to do Heists and Uber or Harvest Lab as well? Just enough Damage to clear Izaro?
I think its similar to Uber Lab farmer in some ways yeah, I don't know a ton about how Uber Lab builds are setup, I think they use some kind of weapon switch dps setup.
Never heard of the split modifier before, the explanation you gave left me a bit confused. I didn't understand why a split was more but after looking it up, I understand that all the bases on the trade site are splits and that was why the non-splits are worth double.
A split item is an item that has been taken to bestiary and then a "Fenumal Plagued Arachnid" Beast is used to split the item into 2 parts with all the mods broken up onto two items. Obviously this has the upside of giving you an extra whole item (in this case a second amulet to sell or use), the downside being that you can't split the item again. The reason a non-split amulet is worth about 2x the price is because the buyer can make 2 amulets out of it.
10/10 video, thanks for sharing all that juicy knowledge!
One comment from my side regarding Repica Dreamfeather. Good rolls on those are still worth it. 10%as + high phys roll is selling for like 5 div, lower phys roll with 10% as are going for 2-3 divs. Sold multiple of them this league.
So why is simplex ammy worth double of focused ammy? IS it just because of MF, getting a quant suffix on the simplex? The focused ammy has two prefixes, so it can be a +4 ammy. What can beat that in damage?
I passed up a simplex amulet in my second blueprint this league because I eas too busy price checking the replica uniques and had no idea the amulet base is so expensive....
Should you alch the contracts or just run them white? Does it even matter with the amout of potensial loot from the chests? // Ty for the video
what addons do u use? i am interested for one on 18:43 ty
Wait, but we can run all blueprints and contracts white since we don't care about monster drops, only chests and curio displays, right?
Nice Work thx! The big money they drop from all strategies?
Finally, I've been looking for a video like this for years!!!!!!!
Does Blueprint Level matter for Drops at the Endreward?
What do you usually level up as?
Every time I look up strategies for how to run certain things or play a certain class and I find these videos, my eyes glaze over and I loose all motivation to play the game at all. It becomes all about efficiency and currency per hour. Like in the end game, you're not even playing the game anymore. You skip 99% of the content because it's the best way to win. It's about as interesting to me as winning a fighting game by being able to crouch block in the corner until the timer runs out. I guess at least the main story is interesting and challenging at times.
Then don't look up guide which focus on efficiency and just play the game?
a common struggle. Best advice is to never compare yourself with anyone in the game, becaus they probably don’t enjoy playing the game the same way you do.
Every streamer will tell you the most important thing is to play the game how YOU like, then just look to others for inspiration and steal their good ideas (-8
this video came in clutch, i started heisting in the last 2 days
How to get this extra inventory slots?
id love to do heists but the game crashes all the time in heist😢 already bricked 10 divs alone in blueprints
how do you learn what item is worth a lot?
How the hell u pick up the grand loot and alert doesnt go appear???
What to level the char with?
i tried taking the 7th gate and the other gates but not able to see the heist on map device. I think i'm missing something
I feel like Heist, Betrayal and Beastiary all need reworks to be made simplier. The complexities really take away from the "kills monsters get loot" fun cycle to me.
You don't have to interact with those league mechanics if you don't enjoy it. There are different league mechanics for different people. Not all league mechanics need to be like legion or breach.
They already touched heist. :(
"if a bunch of people start doing this the supply is gonna dry up!" says the man who is probs selling them
Nothing will change, maybe fulcrum will be a little bit cheaper, people will just drop heist when they realise it's a shit farm if you are not running 600+ blueprints per day
Just as I'm getting tired of magic finding, will definitely try this next.
Because of this dude, everyone going to do heist!
that's most tedious and boring thing to do in the game. Heist lovers can sleep well, no one is coming :D
If I got a nickle for everytime I see a poe player make a laughable prediction I wouldn't be rich but I'd probably made enough money to buy a nice car.
More like do 3 blueprints then quit because it's a very boring gameplay loop that only clicks with a small number of players.
Can't wait to sell my deception contracts in bulk for absurd prices because streamers baited idiots into burning out
Yeah, there is a lot of profit to be made in Heist, I used it last league to get my first few divines, but then I got boooored of it.
I filled my heist stash with contracts that I never bothered running. And probably never will run.
I'm done with Heist. Forever. Will maybe run a blueprint for the achievement this league.
How many word 'fast' in the video?
BigDucks: "Yes"
Is there ever a reason to do the unique contracts that drop?
love to see 16 taloring and 8 tempering, meanwhile ALL GG BASES, my experience on 52/48 tempeting/taloring was only the belt for 3d :D
Do you make them rare before you go?
Great guide as usual! Do you have any approximate spawn rates for the various high-end experimented bases like the rings and amulets? As in how many wings you would need to run on average to find one.
I have heard as little as 100 blueprints and as much as 1000 blueprints for the amulets. At this point I don't think enough people have done heist to give you accurate numbers. I also cannot realistically farm that much heist myself, we are talking like 1000+ hours of heisting to have somewhat accurate results unfortunately.
I would love to get this going; but „Nenet“ crashing most of my blueprints where she is in and me being unable to get her to lvl 5 perception makes it hard. GGG is aware of this issue though; i wonder if you had any with her?
yeah, this bug put me off Heist for now. Hopefully fixed soon
Yeah I mentioned it briefly in the video, for a while you can just not run lvl 5 perception blueprints if youre worried and give Karst +1 all for anything up to level 4. It is at the top of their known issues thread.
@@BigDucks Thanks for mentioning it here again; I will use this as a workaround for now :) thanks for the great video. long and comprehensive 💪🏼
why his pots keep being used while he is standing in his base?
Idk i feel like us heist enjoyers are a very small minorty so blueprint prices should be fairly safe? Unless theres too many highlights of people getting 1 mirror base types (3.24) also if builds still use the base types as bis.
I have a question. i made a dedicated heistbuild roughly following your example. And i got the following problem : Since i cant kill the mobs my rouges get stuck infront of the rewardroom trying to fight mobs and i cant open the rewards since they need to enter the room for that. Any tips on how to get them to not attack mobs ?
I use a Molten Strike jug. Tanky, good damage and quite fast.
I ran about 400 contracts and about 100 blueprints 83+ got one simplex 86, one fulcrum, one microdistillery. Still have revealed blueprints with perception 5 that I am afraid to run due to crashes with Nenet. Overall its decent profit eve without big drops as you get DIV as reward quite often.( Had 5 div in curio once)
I only get 1div, are you running them rare?
@@merylljane399 Nah, just normal rarity. I don't think rarirty of blueprint affects drops in curios. Rarity of blueprint only affects alert level.
5 div in curio room was pretty common on league start and then it got shadow gutted
@@Grisha123 i got 3 div on the 2nd week and after than nada :D
can you please tell me how to price check non uniques like that distillary belt in this video, I mean I can remember just yesterday I had a blueprint where it had higher mods than the one here but I thought that was shitt and missed it for some 5 c replica unique, I'm sooo pissed dude 😢
can someone tell me why that corrupted ring at the beginning is good? It can't be altered anymore right?
Contraband, not Corrupted. Just means if he dies with it he drops it
Hey ducks! Was wondering if you think the poet's pen frostblink of wintry blast occultist would be a good substitute for heisting. I'm really bad at levelling a character but I'd like to get into heisting!
i just slapped on a mage blood with quick silver and onslaught flask and some other move speed stuff and feel plenty fast, i don't think you need a dedicated build.
I like heist and made decent money on it, even in this stupid league.
One thing really needs a fix though.
FUCKING ROUGE HARBOR.
It's a clusterfuck of MTX that makes loading screens 3 times longer than they need to be.
And this is a mechanic where you see loading screens really, really often.
You're supposed to spam contracts. And I mean spam, run 30 in one session, then do some reveals then run BP's.
Staring at 30-60 second loading screens just to load other people's clown suits will drive you nuts.
Wow - thanks for this, its something I never got into (didnt do league, never really understood it all).
Hihi, very new player here. Just for clarification, around 19:10 you mentioned "Split beasts" and "splitting". What is that in reference to? Thanks for your time!
Hello! Split is basically a beast craft that allows you to create 2 or 3 of the same item base with half or 1/3 of the mods on each item from the original. People usually split item bases which may cost lots of divines, basically duplicating the base item to share or sell for more profit!😊
Where can you buy contracts and blueprints in bulk?
he does go over that in the video, but it was pretty quick - TFT
Have you had any issues w/Nenet causing crashs in Blueprints ?
NM I see you have addressed it in another comment/in the video.
You forgot to add in crafting instructions for the cluster jewel you use. It's a LOT cheaper to craft yourself than buy
Buy a medium cluster jewel of ilevel 50 or higher
get some one socket resonators, and get some shuddering fossils
use them. You'll get it pretty quick, and it'll be way cheaper than the 6 divines on trade
Ultimatum Rooms are more than 6c nowdays
Man, if I could get a Harbour with only 1 other person, that'd be GREAT 😂
All the MTX effects make my PC want to burn up 💀
You can have +2 deception (+1 globaland + 1 deception )giana wich is hard to craft but should IN THEORY reduce cost even more( never had that thou so cant test )
It's not *hard*, just boring. Ctrl + F - > keyword - > spam alts til your brain rots
@@Intestine_Ballin-ism I would say it IS hard. Those are both prefixes so you cannot just Alt spam til your brain rots. You need to hit 2 different 100/21600 prefixes through alt/regal or chaos spam. good luck.
@@Intestine_Ballin-ism by hard i mean chances are realy realy low not imposible - and if you run enough of heists its gonna return by alot
@@deano4138 which I did last league lol. Git gud
According to craftofexile, that particular combination of mods (+1 to level of all jobs/+1 to deception level) will cost 4700 chaos (approx 22 div) on average to craft, (i.e. it requires 39,000 alteration, 20,000 augmentation, and 363 each of regal, scour, and transmute). Unless you are running enough blueprints to save more than 4700 chaos in markers (at 300 markers for 1 chaos - this is the rate used in the video), you would have to save more than 1.4 _million_ markers to make this craft worth your while. And since that 1.4 million is at most 5% of the blueprint cost, that means you would need to run a total of 28.2 million rogue's markers worth of blueprints to make back your investment. If it's 10,000 markers for Gianna to reveal 3 wings in a 4 wing blueprint, that is 2,820 blueprints, which is not really feasible.
34:45 get +1 heist jobs on gianna wing reveal goes to 45% :P
So I did some testing and i want to share my results with you all.
I run 144 Bp Fully revealed/520 wings these are the results:
2.2k stacked decks
10 div
25 tempering orbs
20 tailoring orbs
1 replica HH
2 Replica Alberons
2 Hyrris Ire
2 Replica Cortex Map
2 Replica Farruls Fur
3 Micro distillery Belt
1 composite ring
1 Simplex Amulet
i'm about 300 wings in so far and my results are similar to yours. i'm going to do 300 more wings, but basically if I don't find a simplex or focused amulet this will be a huge waste of time lol. I'm certainly not losing money but i'm not really gaining either. it's partly my fault because i'm just rushing the show cases. i'm less focused on div per hour and really just want the rush of finding a simplex and crafting it.
Could this build do a boss rush/invitation farm to self sustain the contracts? (Basically will it be able to say kill a t16 map boss & possibly a harbingers?)
It does 0 damage. You'd have to set it up differently.
Appreciate the reply, big love and Happy New Year@@BigDucks
perfect timing
started yesterday lvling my rogues lol
I like heist but my game crashes randomly when there are other players around. Mostly happens in heist. I have a very good pc, everything is up to date. I run all maps with very high fps.
Shame you can not start heist from your hideout
Great video as always. I am currently running your fragmented kinetic bolt build, it slaps
You mean the Rogue's Harbour? Gah, bet it's all the MTX. It's gotten much worse this league. Wish we could turn other players MTX off.
I've had problems w/ Nenet causing crashs in Blueprints/contracts..I don't run them anymore and it seems to have stopped. Might be something to look into
Yup heist is unstable as hell this week. Loading into rogue Harbour takes almost a minute on SSD thanks to MTX eye vomit. Almost worth skipping heist due to thag reason alone
Yeah Rogue Harbour is pretty bad during prime time. I've been wondering whether it's worth playing on a server with low population. High ping shouldn't be that big of an issue since you're just running in an out.
Yeah, I crash on average 2-3 times while in the harbor if I don't get in/out fast enough. IMO, if delve camp doesn't have to show you other players, then the harbor shouldn't either.
Split means mirrored? Can they be still crafted after that?
Split bases just can't be split again, thats why they added the tag because people were splitting very good bases constantly. It functions as a normal item otherwise.
@@ImChiki so just split with fractured fossil? I have been off for so long.
@@skikke18 Split beasts from Bestiary and fossils from Delve were used at some point a while back. The split tag only exists as a way to prevent multiple copies of the same item. If I'm remembering correctly people were splitting gilded fossil items for mirror shards repeatedly, and there were some 6 white socket bases being split at some stage too.
While this is a valid strategy i could not just run to the end and out empty handed.
I always go for divination rooms this make for heist much less boring because let's face it everyone's looking for those bases now and you will have 1 or 2 every 100-200 jobs IF YOU'RE LUCKY! (i think the average is around 400ish). Also run smuggler chests while doing maps this way you dont have to buy that many.
Stacked decks will be worth $$$ at this point in league and more so late league
your videos are always amazing !! thank you
I invested about 60+ divines and 16-18hours of time into doing hiest in search of these new gg bases. while I did make most of currency back, I certainly will never get the time I spent opening doors back. I did roughly 1500 wings before giving up, because I got so fucking tired of seeing shitty rares and uniques over and over and over agin. while I did find some t0 uniques, micro distillery belts, and some jewerly, they're all worth 1-3divs which is NOTHING this league. the manifold ring, which i found 3 of, are worth nothing. i also found -3pref + 3 suff rings, they are worth nothing. So even if you do find some hiest jewerly, if it's not the right type it's worth NOTHING. (i'm pretty sure manifold and helical rings have the same rarity.) rushing display cases is kind of like opening your map and praying you see a divine alter and leaving if you don't find it. The guy who found 2 alters in 500 maps might be thrilled with the strat, while the guy who ran 1000 maps and didn't see an alter would quit the league. you are 1000000x better off farming the currency for your simplex than trying to get one heisting. Perhaps big ducks got lucky or perhaps I threw in the towel too early, but i'm absolutely done heisting this league. actually if you want to make money heisting, run 100s of decpetion contracts and build up a lot of reveals, then buy a bunch of blueprints on tft and reveal them. then sell them back on tft for 2div each fully revealed.
there is anothervery popular build with general's cry and redblade banner according to ninja and what most heist runners from tft wear, anyone saw the guide for it?
Makes me so sad to see The Forbidden Trove is still around....
What's the addon he uses to see the market ingame?
awakened poe trade, your life is about to change
@@Justintricate Thanks, I'll try it out.
damm you actually got really lucky lmao
I didn't know it was humanly possible to take over ten minutes yo say: "Play efficiently and your amount of loot per time frame will be higher."
Big thanks, very helpful 🙂
For reference, I got my first simplex after ~1400 wings and focused after ~1600. While this case is quite unlucky (on average you should get one of both every 900 wings or so according to my research), but... it could happen to you as well. And it could totally be WORSE. Variance so high means it's completely alright to get no grand drops even after 2k+ wings. Wishful thinking can bring you into a world of disappointment here, random viewer. You should still totally do it if you like heist, just... maybe don't if failing 100 wings will break your heart.
UPD. I really have to point out that you should only trust this video about speedrunning blueprints. It is a valid strat, and it will even work pretty well with this build. Other than that... this video is massively wrong about much. While there are no streamers that would reveal the little-known secrets of heist, you can still find a much more solid coverage of basics. Elsewhere.