15:15 Surfer would have been signifiacntly better. Both give you +2, except Iron Heart gives +2 to 3 cards (+6 total) vs Sufer who gives +2 to all 3 cost cards. you had 6 3 cost cards meaning Surfer would have given +12. since wong + mystique activates their effects 4 times Iron heart gave you +24 while Silver Surfer would have given you +48. Twice as much.
Great video and I can confirm this deck (with Rogue and Wolvesbane in place of Hit Monkey and Sera) can climb the ladder. I started playing it yesterday after seeing TLSG's version and went from 79 to now 97. I've never played a Negative deck before, but haven't found it that hard to pilot. If you can get the Wong/Mystique/IronHeart/Surfer combo, it's a sure fire win. Thanks for the video and, remember, you're the GOAT!
I think Wolfsbane is just strictly better than Hit Monkey in 9 out of 10 situations. Maybe there's more of a high roll with HM, but it's just win more at that point.
Crazy thing is, is that ive split magik like 10+times and got a pretty dope gold finish with black kirby on the season pass variant and the fact that she's actually meta is so surreal
Great stuff! I was using a meme-y Mr Negative/Jane Foster deck for a long time, had surprising amounts of success with it (but mainly it was just very fun). The Hit-Monkey and Kitty Pride changes kind of killed it though, so this'll be a good replacement!
Cozy, you are awesome! But wow were those some cupcakes for Gold! My first opponent for silver was an ongoing deck with wave, iron man, onslaught and living tribunal! With only Rogue to counter I was toast. Next deck had an enchantress. Gonna start seeing more of her!
I've been running a mister negative with the Thor female that gives you all the zero-cost cards and I've got close to Omega with it rank 90 it's killer that's a lot of fun I use b a s t when necessary and I flip my ironheart Ironman monkey Etc with mister negative and have a killer end game on Turn 6 a 05 Ironman making him a power 10 is killer
Less than 4 hours after this video went up I tried this deck in a Silver Conquest and the first deck I faced was exactly this. I think Cozy's worry about it being too popular may have already come to pass.
Bro you truly are famous. 100% of the games i played today, i was using this deck and so was everyone else. ~5 matches when i could get on but still crazy influence you have
Man I made a brew last night off your last destroy video (not really - I don’t have lad so I just put the shiny new magik into lambys list). Won a gold conquest. Even beat a high evo deck running armor (with destroy!!). Went the distance to 8 games - super fun. I have been getting THRASHED by this negative list today. My god.
Cozy u handsome genius I won my first gold conquest cuz of this deck, last game I was down to two and had to win the last 4 games in a row getting to a 7th round and won, thanks
This deck has to be the best youtube deck ive followed by far, normally i make my own, whenever ive used youtube decks in the past they have been very situational, but this one is so strong, i swapped hitmonkey with bishop at first, then i swapped bishop for rogue and it was even better!
Thanks Cozy, you are the man. All your content is amazing and very informative. Thank you for your hard work, especially when bagged after Comic Con, lol 😆 you rock
I played this deck for the last days with Lockjaw in it and it went crazy! It enabled plays like T3 Lockjaw, T4 Mr Negative into lockjaw, T5 magik and a Negative 3-Cost and T6 if I felt good i finished with storm in the limbo location + Surfer
Sadley i wasn`t able to get wong until now, dont have hitmonkey as well, so i switched bishop and wolfsbane in. love to play negativ.i use to play the common neg deck with knull arnim and venom. very rng but alot of fun
I think wolfsbane outperforms hitmonkey in this setup, if you think about it, a full lane with wong is +12, whereas the same +12 for hitmonkey strictly requires 4 cards to played on that same turn (very unlikely).
I was playing a Surfer/Jean deck and showed my discord friends about it pre-patch. We were all doing pretty amazing with it. Now I'm sure we'll all be playing something like this because that just looks nuts.
This video turned out to rn very useful and fun to watch the deck play out. Thanks cozy for schooling me on sakar today…never really considered NOT playing a card at all, even if I can…the card drop it chooses really does feel better on a sakar “FULL PASS” 👌🙏
First 3 games with this deck I got rolled. Being familiar with negative I knew that was possible. THen I won the next 6 games and only pulled mr negative in 2 of them. Fun deck and surprisingly more consistent than most negative decks
Just this base deck just beat out Patriot, Blue Marvel, Onslaught and Ultron. And I didn’t hit Mr. Negative either or Zabu. Literally mystique iron man dazzler because I forgot to put in Sera which dazzler’s powers got stolen by rogue. In my other lane Brood and dazzler. Crazy
Yeah, I think a lot of people thought of this immediately when the Magik change hit. I know I already had a Neg Surfer deck and I changed her in as soon as I could
Yeah I think this is clearly a conquest deck, I was playing last night the TSG version in ladder (slightly different, it runs rogue and wolfsbane instead of hit monkey and sera) and I more than half of my games were either retreats by me because the deck fizzled or retreats by the opponent because I was playing godly openers or being heavily favored by locations. I only snapped one game with zabu+Mr. Neg in hand just so the next location would be The Ice Box castrating the Negative and forcing me to retreat. The other games were 4-cubers where the opponent thought he was in full control until he wasn't and a 2-cube loss to Galactus (which IMHO only exists in this game as fanservice to griefers). Deck is definitely fun, but I think it will be hated out in the next few hours, probably even days.
I don't use Sera in my Negative Surfer deck but I was winning so much with it I knew it was only a matter of time before Cozy made a vid on it lol guess it's time to find a new deck
What are you playing instead of her? I agree she is a little sus in negative surfer and kinda win more, not sure what other curve topper is the best call (white tiger, blue marvel, zola?)
About to start playing a Surfer deck with Cosmo and Storm (or maybe even Rhino, no one expects a Rhino to come charging in). Anyways I'll play a counter deck to this one because now it'll be popping up everytime I play. Negative Surfer does look fun but I rarely high rolled with Negative decks and always had a scuffed opening hand.
Super curious to hear yet still more thoughts on the hit monkey replacement; sucks that with bishop you need to sorta change when you play the card? Rogue was said to be the other solid one, despite being so different. Still curious what maybe worked out best for others that lack hit monkey.
Sooo I made a little tweak and it’s definitely fun. Didn’t have hit monkey. So I roll out Thor instead. I also switched out brood and bast with gambit and swarm. Boatloads of fun
@@joselocombi6127surfer's power doesn't matter, it's the boost he gives to other 3 costs. Lots of strong 3 costs are healthy for the game long term, so surfer's already crazy value will just scale with time. There's no way they keep him as a +2 booster
@ourcade8265 iron heart does the same, thew will just play it always with wong, the only way to adjust surf is slightly touch some of his more used cards
Hey Cozy. As someone who doesn't spend a ton of money on this game, I mainly just buy the season pass, I'd love to see a video on whether you think it's better to hold off for Thanos or High Evo since bounce is officially dead.
I’m tilting because of you and this deck, thank you cozy 😂 I’ve played against this deck at least 10 times I. The last half hour trying to finish the letter. Guess I’m staying at 95 tonight
I love this deck, but one question - isn't wolfsbane an arguably better choice than Hit-Monkey here? You're likely not often playing Hit-Monkey with more than two other cards, and he'd also likely be no bigger than a 3/6 assuming he only triggers once. Wolfsbane reaches 3/7 when played on a full lane and turns into a 1/3 with Negative rather that HM's 2/3. Am I missing something?
Nah, I think it's just that HM has a larger potential if you get a perfect negative draw and dump everything all at once. But if that happens, then you probably didn't need the HM anyway. I think Wolfsbane is probably more consistent on average draws. That's why I kept her.
There needs to be a card to pull cards like mr negative from the deck. Something like draw your highest cost card or draw a 4 cost idk. Something to up the likelyhood without being broken
The thing with this deck is that if you don't draw negative all game, you probably have drawn a great hand to go hard with just surfer. That's why Sera is there. If you don't draw either by turn 4, then retreat unless you've got an amazing board presence.
I didn't realize at first the Magik change would be so meta changing... but I'm seeing her in a lot of different decks and I'm not sure I like it honestly. Having the ability of changing the game into a 7 turn match should have a considerable cost like before (like playing a 3 power card on turn 5). This way is too easy to get it rolling and has very very little counterplay honestly.
Omg @cozysnap I just played you right now against this deck! I was distracted until t3 but then saw the Dan Hipp Broods and then the rock avatar and of course your name and started spamming emotes spider man emotes lol sorry! I knew silver surfer and ironheart was coming and i was going to lose but I didn’t want to retreat! Oh man i should have recorded haha took some screenshots tho. Thanks for making my losing streak bearable! Love your content!
So on the 2nd game I think surfer would've gotten you more points. IH gives +6 points every proc. Into Wong + Mystique it proc'd 4 times so 4 x 6= 24 With SS you get +2 for every 3 cost card. You had 5 cost cards. So (5x2) × 4 = 40
Sorry for the missing turn visual…lol somehow missed that!
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Thanks for interacting! Cool that Nina was there too. Other creators as well, but don’t think I know them yet. Ben Brode takes some funny selfies! 😂
That comment deserved a like
I love Mister Negative’s secret ability of hiding in my deck until T5
Tends to be t6 for me
I usually Draw Negative but never Lady thor on 5 to set the whole thing off
You guys are pulling Mister Negative?
This has me dead! I love Mr. Negative but the freaking inconsistency gets me mad everytime 😂
I was the “nicest” like.
15:15 Surfer would have been signifiacntly better. Both give you +2, except Iron Heart gives +2 to 3 cards (+6 total) vs Sufer who gives +2 to all 3 cost cards. you had 6 3 cost cards meaning Surfer would have given +12. since wong + mystique activates their effects 4 times Iron heart gave you +24 while Silver Surfer would have given you +48. Twice as much.
ye, also not that hard to calculate xD
Got a back seat snapper over here
@@airmax899 14:52 he literally asks for someone to do the math for him
Great video and I can confirm this deck (with Rogue and Wolvesbane in place of Hit Monkey and Sera) can climb the ladder. I started playing it yesterday after seeing TLSG's version and went from 79 to now 97. I've never played a Negative deck before, but haven't found it that hard to pilot. If you can get the Wong/Mystique/IronHeart/Surfer combo, it's a sure fire win. Thanks for the video and, remember, you're the GOAT!
I think Wolfsbane is just strictly better than Hit Monkey in 9 out of 10 situations. Maybe there's more of a high roll with HM, but it's just win more at that point.
Crazy thing is, is that ive split magik like 10+times and got a pretty dope gold finish with black kirby on the season pass variant and the fact that she's actually meta is so surreal
Black Kirby?
@@GraemeGunn i got black kirby on a gold artgerm doom... honestly, black is the worst kirby color, its really hard to see
Been a huge Surfer fan ever since his season. Even watched the animated series on Disney+. So excited to continue using different decks with him :)
Silver Surfer has a cartoon? 👀
A old cartoon from the 90'
Everyone hurry and use this deck before it gets too popular !
Too late
Now just do this, but with Cosmo in your deck
Already on it 🫡
Just played about 3/6 games with the enemy playing this deck lmao.
Gonna try it in ladder
Glad to see Mr. Negative back. I loved playing the deck in the past even with all the RNG
Great stuff! I was using a meme-y Mr Negative/Jane Foster deck for a long time, had surprising amounts of success with it (but mainly it was just very fun). The Hit-Monkey and Kitty Pride changes kind of killed it though, so this'll be a good replacement!
Thank you for this deck! This is the most excited I've been about a deck in a while! Love the combos!
I've faced this deck about 28 times, Cozy I love you're getting the recognition you deserve but it is killing me!
Hit Monkey barely got played so I wonder if Dazzler is a better slot. She would be pretty big most of the time and it gives Mystique another option.
mabye iron lad too can be good
Cozy, you are awesome! But wow were those some cupcakes for Gold! My first opponent for silver was an ongoing deck with wave, iron man, onslaught and living tribunal! With only Rogue to counter I was toast. Next deck had an enchantress. Gonna start seeing more of her!
I've been running a mister negative with the Thor female that gives you all the zero-cost cards and I've got close to Omega with it rank 90 it's killer that's a lot of fun I use b a s t when necessary and I flip my ironheart Ironman monkey Etc with mister negative and have a killer end game on Turn 6 a 05 Ironman making him a power 10 is killer
Less than 4 hours after this video went up I tried this deck in a Silver Conquest and the first deck I faced was exactly this. I think Cozy's worry about it being too popular may have already come to pass.
Bro you truly are famous. 100% of the games i played today, i was using this deck and so was everyone else. ~5 matches when i could get on but still crazy influence you have
Two of my favorite cards in the game (Surfer and Negative). I love this deck
Damnit Cozy, I made a negative surfer deck after the OTA. I wanted to feel unique..
Man I made a brew last night off your last destroy video (not really - I don’t have lad so I just put the shiny new magik into lambys list). Won a gold conquest. Even beat a high evo deck running armor (with destroy!!). Went the distance to 8 games - super fun.
I have been getting THRASHED by this negative list today. My god.
Cozy u handsome genius I won my first gold conquest cuz of this deck, last game I was down to two and had to win the last 4 games in a row getting to a 7th round and won, thanks
Just got wrecked by this deck in Conquest, found the video right afterwards, gonna give it a try myself now.
This deck has to be the best youtube deck ive followed by far, normally i make my own, whenever ive used youtube decks in the past they have been very situational, but this one is so strong, i swapped hitmonkey with bishop at first, then i swapped bishop for rogue and it was even better!
What can I play instead of Bast?
Thanks for making this video! I've had fun mopping it up in conquest with my Cosmo. Cosmo's a good dog.
Haha Cozy what happened in that Limbo game? Dude had two Magiks somehow lol
Thanks Cozy, you are the man.
All your content is amazing and very informative.
Thank you for your hard work, especially when bagged after Comic Con, lol 😆 you rock
Thanks for the great guide. I made it to Infinite for the first time with this deck so big thanks!😁
Thank You Cozy. Gotta try this deck right now.
This is the most fun deck I have played in a long time. Thanks for the idea!
Thank for this build! Got me over the hump from 95 to infinite.
I just won a match with 24500 total power split between 3 lanes
I played this deck for the last days with Lockjaw in it and it went crazy! It enabled plays like T3 Lockjaw, T4 Mr Negative into lockjaw, T5 magik and a Negative 3-Cost and T6 if I felt good i finished with storm in the limbo location + Surfer
I'm so happy Mr. Negative is getting the respect he deserves
Sadley i wasn`t able to get wong until now, dont have hitmonkey as well, so i switched bishop and wolfsbane in. love to play negativ.i use to play the common neg deck with knull arnim and venom. very rng but alot of fun
Thanks for the inspiration, Cozy. Finally, this is my first time to hit infinity with this great desk, thank you as always
I think wolfsbane outperforms hitmonkey in this setup, if you think about it, a full lane with wong is +12, whereas the same +12 for hitmonkey strictly requires 4 cards to played on that same turn (very unlikely).
Good call. Wolfsbane is also 1 cheaper if switched by Mr. Negative.
Lmao, Cozy deck is so strong that he literally has to skip forward untill any opponent is beaten xD EZGG much love for content!
Finally pulled Silver Surfer today. Def been waiting on that one for a while. Just need Magik still!
I was playing a Surfer/Jean deck and showed my discord friends about it pre-patch. We were all doing pretty amazing with it. Now I'm sure we'll all be playing something like this because that just looks nuts.
COZY, GOD DANG IT. YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I'VE SEEN THIS DECK TODAY!?!? 😅🤣😂
This video turned out to rn very useful and fun to watch the deck play out.
Thanks cozy for schooling me on sakar today…never really considered NOT playing a card at all, even if I can…the card drop it chooses really does feel better on a sakar “FULL PASS” 👌🙏
First 3 games with this deck I got rolled. Being familiar with negative I knew that was possible. THen I won the next 6 games and only pulled mr negative in 2 of them. Fun deck and surprisingly more consistent than most negative decks
Don’t let these content creators fool you. They have considerably better luck than the average person.
I faded two negative surfers in a row in gold conquest. Lots the second battle cause he got me by surprise with Rogue.
Any chance you could put your decks on a website- mobile app on iOS doesn’t let you copy text out of the video description :)
No joke, the first deck I played against in conquest right after watching this vid, was this exact list. I still don’t have Mystique
Would Jane Foster also work in this deck? I typically use Jane Foster in Mr Negative decks.
Cozy is greatly good at explaining decks and making deck guids
Just this base deck just beat out Patriot, Blue Marvel, Onslaught and Ultron. And I didn’t hit Mr. Negative either or Zabu. Literally mystique iron man dazzler because I forgot to put in Sera which dazzler’s powers got stolen by rogue. In my other lane Brood and dazzler. Crazy
How do you feel about dropping Bast for Absorbing man
I just got infinite with this deck! Love the content! Thanks!
I knew that suddenly cozy would tell this awesome deck to everyone so I already played 5 gold conquest and won 4
Yeah, I think a lot of people thought of this immediately when the Magik change hit. I know I already had a Neg Surfer deck and I changed her in as soon as I could
Super excited for a new surfer deck
which is a good sub if i dont have monkey?? thanksss for reply!!!
Yeah I think this is clearly a conquest deck, I was playing last night the TSG version in ladder (slightly different, it runs rogue and wolfsbane instead of hit monkey and sera) and I more than half of my games were either retreats by me because the deck fizzled or retreats by the opponent because I was playing godly openers or being heavily favored by locations. I only snapped one game with zabu+Mr. Neg in hand just so the next location would be The Ice Box castrating the Negative and forcing me to retreat. The other games were 4-cubers where the opponent thought he was in full control until he wasn't and a 2-cube loss to Galactus (which IMHO only exists in this game as fanservice to griefers).
Deck is definitely fun, but I think it will be hated out in the next few hours, probably even days.
I don't use Sera in my Negative Surfer deck but I was winning so much with it I knew it was only a matter of time before Cozy made a vid on it lol guess it's time to find a new deck
What are you playing instead of her? I agree she is a little sus in negative surfer and kinda win more, not sure what other curve topper is the best call (white tiger, blue marvel, zola?)
@@jurekm.5858shangchi is also never a bad choice
About to start playing a Surfer deck with Cosmo and Storm (or maybe even Rhino, no one expects a Rhino to come charging in). Anyways I'll play a counter deck to this one because now it'll be popping up everytime I play.
Negative Surfer does look fun but I rarely high rolled with Negative decks and always had a scuffed opening hand.
One way to tell if Cozy made a new deck video is when you run into a good deck you haven't been seeing before... For like 5 matches in a row 😂
Well well well... Seeing this deck a lot now cozy! It is pretty killer though
Any suggestions for replacing Hit Monkey?
Ben Brode get back to you about a pixel coulson avatar?
The 1# content creator is back with another amazing new video🎉❤
Hey just heads up on mobile I don't think we can copy paste stuff in the description. (Re: decklist)
you can copy anything on screen if you have a stock Android 13 (not OneUI, MIUI and stuff).
Super curious to hear yet still more thoughts on the hit monkey replacement; sucks that with bishop you need to sorta change when you play the card?
Rogue was said to be the other solid one, despite being so different. Still curious what maybe worked out best for others that lack hit monkey.
Sooo I made a little tweak and it’s definitely fun. Didn’t have hit monkey. So I roll out Thor instead. I also switched out brood and bast with gambit and swarm. Boatloads of fun
Mark my words, silver surfer will turn into a 3/3 that gives +1 to all 3 cost cards soon instead of +2
Or they return just return it to a 3/0 that still give +2, there's the risk either brood or Maximus get changed instead 😅
@@joselocombi6127max fo sho. They are idiots if they change brood unless they make him a 4/4, or some similar stat adjustment but even then…
@@joselocombi6127surfer's power doesn't matter, it's the boost he gives to other 3 costs. Lots of strong 3 costs are healthy for the game long term, so surfer's already crazy value will just scale with time. There's no way they keep him as a +2 booster
@ourcade8265 iron heart does the same, thew will just play it always with wong, the only way to adjust surf is slightly touch some of his more used cards
of course new patch new money to be made!
what if it has never been about balance, but all about the money that is made within the whole prozess...
Been playing this since yesterday, with the exception of Rogue being swapped in for Hit Monkey.
Definitely liking the Hit Monkey version better
Hey Cozy. As someone who doesn't spend a ton of money on this game, I mainly just buy the season pass, I'd love to see a video on whether you think it's better to hold off for Thanos or High Evo since bounce is officially dead.
Lol @ “This guy didn’t get the memo , this is NOT proving grounds” 😂🤣
I’m tilting because of you and this deck, thank you cozy 😂 I’ve played against this deck at least 10 times I. The last half hour trying to finish the letter. Guess I’m staying at 95 tonight
phoenix force 1 turn earlier seems pretty nuts
11:40 lol "WHAT ON EARTH"
There is any substitute to Wong? I pull out almost every card of pool 3 :c and wong doesn't come home yet
Edit: and I didn't buy hit monkey neither
could let me know what this decks counter?
Negative in general feels insane now. I am playing a Panther/Knull Negative Deck, it feels insane. Negative has never felt this consistent.
Is Wolfsbane better then Hit monkey
That mister Negative variant lookin like Kira from deathnote.
I love this deck, but one question - isn't wolfsbane an arguably better choice than Hit-Monkey here? You're likely not often playing Hit-Monkey with more than two other cards, and he'd also likely be no bigger than a 3/6 assuming he only triggers once. Wolfsbane reaches 3/7 when played on a full lane and turns into a 1/3 with Negative rather that HM's 2/3. Am I missing something?
Nah, I think it's just that HM has a larger potential if you get a perfect negative draw and dump everything all at once. But if that happens, then you probably didn't need the HM anyway. I think Wolfsbane is probably more consistent on average draws. That's why I kept her.
Cozy You really are amazing♥️
There needs to be a card to pull cards like mr negative from the deck.
Something like draw your highest cost card or draw a 4 cost idk. Something to up the likelyhood without being broken
The thing with this deck is that if you don't draw negative all game, you probably have drawn a great hand to go hard with just surfer. That's why Sera is there. If you don't draw either by turn 4, then retreat unless you've got an amazing board presence.
@@mindfultraveler9034 I get that. Was just sharing ideas. And maybe ways to guarantee an archetype
i play a similar deck since ota, it's super fun!
I didn't realize at first the Magik change would be so meta changing... but I'm seeing her in a lot of different decks and I'm not sure I like it honestly. Having the ability of changing the game into a 7 turn match should have a considerable cost like before (like playing a 3 power card on turn 5). This way is too easy to get it rolling and has very very little counterplay honestly.
Rhino, storm and, scarlet witch can counter limbo
First match in and Cozy shows us why he’s the marvel snap chad 😭☠️
What can i replace serra with?
Love this deck and got 3 infinite tickets with it. But I never really use hit monkey with it
Omg @cozysnap I just played you right now against this deck! I was distracted until t3 but then saw the Dan Hipp Broods and then the rock avatar and of course your name and started spamming emotes spider man emotes lol sorry! I knew silver surfer and ironheart was coming and i was going to lose but I didn’t want to retreat! Oh man i should have recorded haha took some screenshots tho. Thanks for making my losing streak bearable! Love your content!
hit monkey or wolfsbane?
I just faced this deck on Ladder at 80!!
I agree with the red border Iron-Man👌🏻
That mystique is sick af
I’ve been playing negative surfer so this is great
Negative Surfer is my jam!
I LOVED that stupid deck when Surfer was a 3/0.
I've been running the exact same list since day 1 of the patch except 1 card difference, kinda upset cozy out here spoiling my tech.
It's always definitely better to Surfer if you have 3 or more 3-costs on the board. May be better even if you have less in some cases
So on the 2nd game I think surfer would've gotten you more points.
IH gives +6 points every proc.
Into Wong + Mystique it proc'd 4 times so 4 x 6= 24
With SS you get +2 for every 3 cost card. You had 5 cost cards.
So (5x2) × 4 = 40
Love how everyone I play is running this
fastest sub of my life lol, two hours and im almost at 90 lol
This is a really fun deck with lots of win states!
Not kidding. Tried this and 8 cubes on first match haha