Think fresh blood work on gta online updates and they do it in right direction. With mistakes but who among us hasn't been wrong?) I hope the next fixes and winter update will also take into account the opinions of players who have been suffering from neglected problems for years
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior Well, I don’t think that they directly destroyed it, but the fact that there was no attention due to the requests of the players is for sure. I don’t think it’s worth it to hate previous teams, but newcomers show themselves better at the start.
One thing that happened that wasn’t noticed. I am part of a Hotring community and we race these things religiously. Race them on remade real world ovals, have our own series and everything. We need to do slipstream on big tracks or else it just turns into choo-choo train racing and it’s really boring, so we slipstream to spice it up. Before this update, the slipstream was decently strong but it wasn’t absurd (You don’t go literally flying past people). It worked for what we wanted. Now the slipstream is a lot more similar to the rest of the cars on GTA. Mega slipstreams you build up and gain a half a second or more on somebody. I mean it is what it is and we will have to deal with it, Maybe drop down to running the stock on the big tracks just keep the slipstream in check and not have to deal with the single file line of boredom. But it is kind of crazy that what essentially comes down to the gearing ratio of the Hotring has created MUCH stronger slipstream.
I’m from the dirt racing community and I’ll say the outlaw 4 cylinders and now bombers are broken thanks to the Ellie being fixed and flash gt, gb200,Jester classic, Michelli gt. The late models are better though tbh
Yeah that's a bit unfortunate, especially since it seems on paper that this helps the Hotring immensely. Too bad it can't handle like the irl NASCARs so handling is more of a factor and causes more runs and losses on corner exits and such, and maybe even more top speed so braking into corners or coasting is more of a factor. I guess that's about how we all want the open wheel cars to handle as well, where they need more top speed and less cornering ability so the racing is improved.
@@MattChaffe You should try running the hotrings on low grips. Braking into corners, corner exit speed matters and higher top speeds to I think. Though it is an absolutely HUGE learning curve especially for an entire crew. Edit: I haven’t tried it but I imagine it’ll be a blast with the indycars too
@@jackarmstrong7285 I was thinking the same thing, I'll definitely have to try it! Unforunately I haven't played GTA Online in a while and don't have a Series X, but I'll probably start playing it on PC now that most things can be done in private/crew/friend lobbies finally.
*As of the Drug Wars DLC in December 2022, this has been fixed and these cars are no longer broken in this way.* *Some Notes* 1) I forgot to mention this applies to the Viseris too, which received the same AHF that the Tuners got to fix its ridiculous speed when originally released. 2) They likely didn't remove the flag entirely, instead choosing to change it, because it still limits the potential top speed of the Tuners when they're in a lowered stance setup. 3) There are reports coming out that for the cars with the flag that were "forgotten" by Rockstar (eg. Jester Classic), it's possible to reach ridiculous top speeds by applying low grip tyres and handbrake boosting. The overrev flag stops the cars from shifting up so they just constantly boost for as long as you can keep them going straight. Rockstar will now for sure patch this in future, if they weren't planning to already just on the basis of what's in this video, so I'll probably wait for any retesting of these vehicles until after that. *Relevant Links* Tuners Nerf Video: ruclips.net/video/SfiWPl6R21E/видео.html AHF Playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLx_tHjuVuRODFzUDltVov9lwgAhkusiD9 Racing Without AHF: ruclips.net/video/rp_VKab1UhY/видео.html New DLC Drip-Feed: ruclips.net/video/GbQXzFbUWtY/видео.html *Various Info & Links* More GTA 5 Videos: broughy.com/gta5 Ways To Support Me: broughy.com/support Check the video description for series playlist, plus more relevant info & links! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Watch Me Website: broughy.com Twitch: twitch.tv/broughy1322 Main Channel: ruclips.net/user/broughy Second Channel: ruclips.net/user/broughysrandombits Podcast Channel: ruclips.net/user/chokinghazardgaming Follow Me Twitter: twitter.com/broughy1322 TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@broughy1322official Instagram: instagram.com/broughy1322 Facebook: facebook.com/broughy1322 Discord: discord.gg/broughy1322 Support Me RUclips Membership: ruclips.net/user/broughy/join Patreon: patreon.com/broughy1322 Donate: streamlabs.com/broughy1322 Merchandise: broughy.com/merch More: broughy.com/support
Pay attention to the rpm in standard cars (traffic and not only) now they also feel faster, but the maximum speed +- remains the same. Played on PC Steam. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember such traffic redlines.
There's already a chance to remove these flags entirely, and they have to. Since it was bad (not just bad, it also worst) for business. And also in order to make a better experiment test results for the future GTA 6.
Exactly my thoughts with the first 2 points. It was their intent to fix the low-grip tires + stanced super speed with the Tuners anyway, this tweek with the AHF is more inline with it while maintaining/restoring the driftability of the cars.
I doubt they will patch the jester. You need low grip tires, so it's not practical at all. It's fast on a long smooth straight surface, but thats it. If anything it's just a fun drifting car now and no that should not be removed from the game at all.
I think the side-effect was simply missed. They missed enabling the Terrorbyte business missions in closed sessions too. I imagine there's other bits missed too.
04:40 this is really interesting because, although these cars might still be underperforming for races, they might now be ideal for the drifting community. If they rev up quickly but don't shift into higher gears quickly, that might be an improvement for those who want to experiment with low grip tyres etc..
People have already said that the Jester classic is really good drift car now. Have not tested myself but I am still happy that car gets positive attention
The Jester Classic is not just a great drifting car now, it can actually do the handbrake boost infinitely as long as you can keep accelerating it. So yeah...Enjoy it while it lasts.
That explains why my Flash GT was backfiring so much yesterday, I hadn't driven it in months before yesterday and was like "wait this is really weird" but it all make sense now. Thanks for explaining everything and keep up the amazing content Broughy, I wish you all the best.
The wheelie mechanic in muscle cars were heavily affected and now unfortunately can’t get its full potential wheelie. Don’t know the science behind it as most muscle cars do not have AHF, however the gearing when performing a wheelie were significantly changed and you can no longer perform a proper wheelie. I know most aren’t bothered or even care about this mechanic, but there’s an entire community that relies and has enjoyed wheeling, mainly drag racing. Anyways thanks for clearing this up much appreciated🙏
you're forgetting about stancing tuners in the interaction menu, which is the reason why r* didn't remove the flag completely. for example, the calico could reach 190mph at 60 fps without low grip tires.
Yeah I forgot to mention that. Mentioned it on stream yesterday then forgot it for the video. Though if they bring the E&E fps fix to PC then they won't even need to worry about that either.
@@pedinhuh16 if you're basing that off digital in-car speedos those won't display speeds above 180mph for some reason (even if the car is going faster)
@@Johnny362000 I'm basing it on the analog speedos. Get a Jester Classic, Tezeract and Taipan downhill, the analog speedos will lock at 180mph. You will also see that the other cars will overtake you and simply keep going while your car stays behind, but only on those slopes.
@@pedinhuh16 analogue speedos are notoriously inaccurate, and the fact that those are stopping at 180 suggests they have the same limit at the digital ones
The Koenigsegg 1:1 (Entity XXR) is one of my favorite cars in the world, and I’m still disappointed on how R* absolutely butchered it. I always felt like it could’ve been one of the best Super Cars on vanilla GTA but I guess we’ll never truly know with these handling flags
Thank you very much for the research sir. The insane over revs on the Jester Classic got extremely annoying really fast. Then realized the bouncy suspension flag might not be removed when Jester classic hit a bump and nearly front flipped.
Currently the Jester Classic with Low Grip tires has unlimited handbrake boost & can reach insane speeds if you can somehow manage to control it (very hard to keep it straight)
I thought you were taking a break from GTA content like this? o.o Either way im glad you didnt and thankyou from the thousands of people that will watch this to understand what those fancy words mean
Noticed the change in the Jester classic the most. It's felt like the character didn't know how to drive the car anymore, banging the redline 1>2>sometimes 3rd gear.
The jester classic with low grip tires and double clutch (handbrake boost) gets the awd speed glitch due to the flags and can literally max out the speedometer in the car on a long enough straight
Glad to see the issue explained properly. It's a shame R* didn't bother to check any other car with the flag. For me I like the Jester Classic but that engine dragging ruins its flow of the drive.
"The misconception is that R* removed all advanced handling flags" Well, I'm sure as glad I only watch your content to have not even known that was something the community had been believing 😂 Glad to trust you when it comes to these fact finding videos and testing that you do.
I stole the Entity XXR off the Streets for export and it hang unnaturally at max revs while popping every gear change. This is exactly what happened as you explained. Perfect sense now.
Terrorbyte is also glitched. You can’t source cars and crates or resupply businesses from it. It says “Join a Public Session”. But you can still access these options at respective business
They should remove all handling flags. I've actually been driving the Viseris. I want to mention that the viseris and the Dominator ASP both had the same feel before the new dlc where they felt heavy and sluggish now they feel loose and its crazy.
Also I've come to notice that if you handbrake-boost the cars with the additional flags (i.e the Jester Classic) with Low Grip Tires, the car permanently stays at redline, making it constantly boost itself to ridiculous speeds
@@broughy1322 good call, and I bet R* won't take long to mess with these cars again. All they gotta do is delete the flag that doesn't let them shift up properly, hopefully they won't screw this up.
I have noticed that cars react to bumps differently, like the suspension is softer and that rebound is slower and causes more understeer. It's an interesting effect to say the least.
With the nullification of this flag the cars now have a much better, louder acceleration noise than what they where before, notable with the Hotring Sabre in this video. I'm just glad that all these vehicles & the Tuners now can maintain constant wheelspin for potential drifting.
I noticed my Viseris handling waaaaay better post update. Driving from Paleto Bay to LS, just past the airport I noticed I was taking corners at full speed that previously would have ended with me in the ocean. I’m happy, it used to be my favourite car
The fix is good for tuners and they can handbrake boost once more, but they're unable to go above a certain speed now. It still kinda feels like they were neutered in the speed department and honestly, if they wanted to avoid the stance and low grip tires from causing high speeds, they could've made a simple check that looks for stance and or low grip tires on the car and soft-cap the speed only if those aforementioned things are applied. Instead, it seems like they've globally soft-capped the speed regardless of the setup to avoid it entirely. Kind of a low-effort fix if you ask me. Hopefully the tuner cars get the HSW treatment in E&E, as well as E&E being brought over to PC.
Fantastic breakdown and thanks for the information. It'd be really nice if we could get a widespread push to remove all of the negative advanced handling flags for every car. Hopefully Rockstar notices the want of change from the community and eventually comes to fix it.
The biggest crime here is that the Hotring Sabre sounds like a regular car when accelerating despite being a Stock Car and having a demonic idle engine note.
I can't say with any confidence that it's not just placebo, but the Vamos and Tulip seem to feel a lot better to drive after the update. I'm relatively sure Rockstar didn't do anything to the toe angles that made these cars randomly change direction when going over bumps, but they're a lot easier to handle ( or at least feel that way ) on PC.
i drove my vamos after the update and feel the opposite. it almost flipped on its roof when going around a corner.. i don't remember it being like this. i'm also on pc.
As a drifter, i can tell that low grip tires on every single car changed a lot the results instead the only suspension breaking glitch, and by the way low grip tires + suspension break glitch can bring even more different results. So yeah, theres a lot of study around the new parameters of calibration in the game. If they will last for long? I also dont know. My only and biggest down side so far is that max turning angle lock has decreased, its around now on 30º, more or less. I don´t know if can be fixed with diferent kind of suspensions or wheel type, but sacrifice angles is not a good thing.
Steering lock is defined per-car. Unless LGTs change that. Most have around 40 with some getting up to the low 50s and some getting down to the low 30s
Well, even the flags weren't removed and just only changed the effect on the cars performance affected by these ones, here is my thoughts about them right now: -The supercars perform better, even they are still having the bouncy suspension. At the same time, I found that this flag helps them reach very high speeds when kerb boosting (like the GTO). And at the straight lines, their top speeds were provided a little, being closer to the top 3 current fastest supercars in the game (without the HSW upgrade). -On a very long flat track, they are still having the same top speed like before this flags changes. -Few of the SSASSS and AH cars would set on the current top tier just if R* remove all the AHF. Some of the following examples are: 1) Entity XXR: in terms of top speed it could be the fastest ordinary car in the game on a flat track (again, without considering the HSW upgrade). Its top speed would reach 131 MPH (beating even the Itali RSX), and in the classic straight lines its too speed would be higher, faster than the 811. 2) Tyrant: this car has the biggest potential to be the king of the speed in the game. With its handling, acceleration, kerb boosting and top speed quitely this would be even faster than the Vigilante on the straight line, blasting all the rest of the cars. And on races, it would be the perfect rival for the Krieger and the Emerus. 3) Taipan: basically with AHF removed in terms of performance it would behave like an 811 2.0, having the same top speed on a straight line and in a flat track it would run as fast as the Pariah does. 4) Jester Classic: by removing the AHF, this car would set on top tier if the sport class, in lap time and top speed, just behind of the Itali GTO, RSX and Pariah. 5) Flash GT: even the car performs really well in the off-road, without the AHF it would be more in the pace with Issi Sport, which is actually the king of this surface. 6) Swinger: as our lovely man Broughy showed us in one video, this car without AHF would blast the Sports Classic class in terms of top speed. It would still having the disadvantage of the handling; depends on the race, sometimes it would still being better to choose the Turismo Classic and the Cheetah Classic. Bonus: the Dominator GTX before the reaching of the Buffalo STX, would be the king of the Muscle class in lap time, blasting even the ASP. Would still having the lowest top speed in this cathegory. The rest of the cars are not mentioned here because even without AHF, which means a better performance and better top speed, they don't scale too many positions and still being far away from the top tier of their cathegories.
@@Johnny362000 maybe I am wrong with that, but having the right is not what I am interested. The main point is: all the cars would perform much better, even than right now if all the AHF were removed.
You're greatly overestimating these cars even if they had all the flags removed. The Itali GTO, Pariah and RSX are on a whole another level entirely, they shouldn't even be in the Sports class so to say. None of the flagged sports cars have any hopes of catching up to them, they're busted. The Emerus, Krieger, S80RR and Ignus have faster lap times than the unrestrained Tyrant according to Broughy himself, he already did a video on these cars without flags, you can compare the lap times. I do agree about the Swinger though, it has the power to keep up with the Retinue on the straights, but falls short on the handling department and the bouncy suspension it has makes it too unstable on bumps whereas the Retinue just soakes those up like they're nothing.
Well buddies... to reply you all at the time, my comment was made with base on the following videos: SSASSS and AH cars lap time test without AHF: ruclips.net/video/b4hC2XCSFfg/видео.html Entity XXR with all the previous AHF vs flagless Entity XXR vs Entity XF: ruclips.net/video/tZBegVcKOVo/видео.html Entity XXR and Taipan top speed without AHF: ruclips.net/video/XpVADC4YnJA/видео.html Tyrant top speed without AHF: ruclips.net/video/52eRp_BqXus/видео.html (NOTE: in this video, the first test was made with 30 fps (the same FPS that PS4 and XBOX one have, while in the second was made with 50; you will notice the same speed boost that 811 has on PC with 60 FPS) Tyrant lap time and speed test w/o AHF: ruclips.net/video/nn2HkFuDtXM/видео.html To finish, it was my bad to forget the S80RR, RE-7B, Ignus and Retinue MK2 to mention, so sorry for that. In lap time those are in the top tier. I am excited to see the new LM87 in the next testing video. It performs really great. PD: I was looking since too long time the Broughy's video testing all the cars w/o AHF (apart of the Swinger and Flash GT) . If anyone has the link, I'll be so grateful to you all. My regards to everyone.
The Jester Classic immediately has felt better, but man I really hope they remove the secondary flag(s). The few times I've used it on Homecoming really spoiled me with how good the car really can be. Now if they'd just add it (and things like the original Futo and Warrener, which perform negligibly different than their tuner counterparts) to the class I'd be wicked happy!
I think for Hotring Sabre its meant to give it this lazy V8 low redline sound. Without the fla git sounds just wrong. They should find a way to to affect the sound independently from performance
Broughy you should checkout the bug on the Mk4 Supra (Jester Classic) if you put lowgrips on it and HBB it will wheelspin forever and hit speeds of 300mph!
I've tested the Dominator GTX The gearing is weird, it takes a bit to shift gear (it's not the slow transmission, it literally hits the limiter before shifting) Because of this reason also the wheelie is kinda broken The "good" thing is the infamous kerb boost that this car gets hitting every bump Basically it's easy to notice that this car was not made for a handling flag removal
It would be really interesting to see rockstar allow manual transmissions in this game, would be really interesting to see how different or better these cars would perform if the shifting was in the hands of the driver
Don’t see too many people talking about this but they also nerfed lowgrips to where they don’t make any car you put them on any faster then they were without the lowgrip tires.
No. Keep the car with you. Even with these changes explained, it performs too much better than before. It reaches very high speeds while kerb boosting and is more competitive in races!
How are the Open Wheel vehicles with Low Grip Tyres affected by different wings? Is Top Speed/Acceleration affected in the same way as without the LGT, or is there not much of a difference with them ("them", again, being the different wings)
@@Johnny362000 To show them that it's not enough to fix these cars and that now they behave ridiculously because of the other handling flags applied to them
For me, it sounds funny that the Swinger isn't that good. That's my weapon of choice against Turismo and Infernus Classics on twisty classic sports cars races. But any improvement on anything is always welcomed!
Why is Rockstar so hell bent on keeping these stupid advanced flags in the game? All they do is render potentially fun cars into something not even worth putting in the game. I bought all of the Tuners vehicles, and even a few duplicates, when they first came out, because I loved that update so much. Now I don't even touch them because they're just not fun to drive anymore. I've also gotten into the habit of looking up cars online before I buy them, just to check if they have any of those stupid flags (especially the bouncy flag). If there's an advanced flag on a vehicle, I refuse to even waste money on it.
I love how Rockstar jumps on a car if it's too fast but yet they leave in god mode glitches the bogg den heist glitch to get unlimited money they patch all the gate launching glitches all the fun glitches that does not hurt anybody they patch them but they leave all these major game breaking problems in the game
Rockstar devs watching this video be like: "Damn, this guy knows our game better than we do."
Think fresh blood work on gta online updates and they do it in right direction. With mistakes but who among us hasn't been wrong?)
I hope the next fixes and winter update will also take into account the opinions of players who have been suffering from neglected problems for years
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Well, I don’t think that they directly destroyed it, but the fact that there was no attention due to the requests of the players is for sure. I don’t think it’s worth it to hate previous teams, but newcomers show themselves better at the start.
It really feels like that, doesn't it?
I bet most of the work from a Update is made by outsourced teams like the Trilogy Remasters
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior send the addy leftist
One thing that happened that wasn’t noticed. I am part of a Hotring community and we race these things religiously. Race them on remade real world ovals, have our own series and everything. We need to do slipstream on big tracks or else it just turns into choo-choo train racing and it’s really boring, so we slipstream to spice it up. Before this update, the slipstream was decently strong but it wasn’t absurd (You don’t go literally flying past people). It worked for what we wanted. Now the slipstream is a lot more similar to the rest of the cars on GTA. Mega slipstreams you build up and gain a half a second or more on somebody. I mean it is what it is and we will have to deal with it, Maybe drop down to running the stock on the big tracks just keep the slipstream in check and not have to deal with the single file line of boredom. But it is kind of crazy that what essentially comes down to the gearing ratio of the Hotring has created MUCH stronger slipstream.
I’m from the dirt racing community and I’ll say the outlaw 4 cylinders and now bombers are broken thanks to the Ellie being fixed and flash gt, gb200,Jester classic, Michelli gt. The late models are better though tbh
Yeah that's a bit unfortunate, especially since it seems on paper that this helps the Hotring immensely. Too bad it can't handle like the irl NASCARs so handling is more of a factor and causes more runs and losses on corner exits and such, and maybe even more top speed so braking into corners or coasting is more of a factor. I guess that's about how we all want the open wheel cars to handle as well, where they need more top speed and less cornering ability so the racing is improved.
@@MattChaffe You should try running the hotrings on low grips. Braking into corners, corner exit speed matters and higher top speeds to I think. Though it is an absolutely HUGE learning curve especially for an entire crew.
Edit: I haven’t tried it but I imagine it’ll be a blast with the indycars too
@@jackarmstrong7285 I was thinking the same thing, I'll definitely have to try it! Unforunately I haven't played GTA Online in a while and don't have a Series X, but I'll probably start playing it on PC now that most things can be done in private/crew/friend lobbies finally.
I'm interested in joining this community if it's open.
My man. Thanks for explaining this. I was super excited to see they fixed this on tuners, but iI wasn't sure what was going on with the other cars.
*As of the Drug Wars DLC in December 2022, this has been fixed and these cars are no longer broken in this way.*
*Some Notes*
1) I forgot to mention this applies to the Viseris too, which received the same AHF that the Tuners got to fix its ridiculous speed when originally released.
2) They likely didn't remove the flag entirely, instead choosing to change it, because it still limits the potential top speed of the Tuners when they're in a lowered stance setup.
3) There are reports coming out that for the cars with the flag that were "forgotten" by Rockstar (eg. Jester Classic), it's possible to reach ridiculous top speeds by applying low grip tyres and handbrake boosting. The overrev flag stops the cars from shifting up so they just constantly boost for as long as you can keep them going straight. Rockstar will now for sure patch this in future, if they weren't planning to already just on the basis of what's in this video, so I'll probably wait for any retesting of these vehicles until after that.
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Pay attention to the rpm in standard cars (traffic and not only) now they also feel faster, but the maximum speed +- remains the same.
Played on PC Steam. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember such traffic redlines.
There's already a chance to remove these flags entirely, and they have to. Since it was bad (not just bad, it also worst) for business. And also in order to make a better experiment test results for the future GTA 6.
Exactly my thoughts with the first 2 points. It was their intent to fix the low-grip tires + stanced super speed with the Tuners anyway, this tweek with the AHF is more inline with it while maintaining/restoring the driftability of the cars.
I can't thank you enough for creating this video- I never knew about handling flags, in general!
I doubt they will patch the jester. You need low grip tires, so it's not practical at all. It's fast on a long smooth straight surface, but thats it. If anything it's just a fun drifting car now and no that should not be removed from the game at all.
I think the side-effect was simply missed. They missed enabling the Terrorbyte business missions in closed sessions too. I imagine there's other bits missed too.
As usual.
Also ability to choose to do air freight cargo land missions from terrorbyte right now they all default to air missions.
04:40 this is really interesting because, although these cars might still be underperforming for races, they might now be ideal for the drifting community.
If they rev up quickly but don't shift into higher gears quickly, that might be an improvement for those who want to experiment with low grip tyres etc..
People have already said that the Jester classic is really good drift car now. Have not tested myself but I am still happy that car gets positive attention
@@varski76 yeah I'm literally watching a video of hella-flush, fan-girling over the Jester Classic right now lol
The Jester Classic is not just a great drifting car now, it can actually do the handbrake boost infinitely as long as you can keep accelerating it.
So yeah...Enjoy it while it lasts.
@@pedinhuh16 lol yup I can see R* patching this soon. How dare we have actual fun!
That explains why my Flash GT was backfiring so much yesterday, I hadn't driven it in months before yesterday and was like "wait this is really weird" but it all make sense now. Thanks for explaining everything and keep up the amazing content Broughy, I wish you all the best.
I purchased the flash gt just bcoz of the backfiring I like the backfiring after each gear change and the flash gt can go crazy speeds now
The wheelie mechanic in muscle cars were heavily affected and now unfortunately can’t get its full potential wheelie. Don’t know the science behind it as most muscle cars do not have AHF, however the gearing when performing a wheelie were significantly changed and you can no longer perform a proper wheelie. I know most aren’t bothered or even care about this mechanic, but there’s an entire community that relies and has enjoyed wheeling, mainly drag racing.
Anyways thanks for clearing this up much appreciated🙏
you're forgetting about stancing tuners in the interaction menu, which is the reason why r* didn't remove the flag completely. for example, the calico could reach 190mph at 60 fps without low grip tires.
Yeah I forgot to mention that. Mentioned it on stream yesterday then forgot it for the video. Though if they bring the E&E fps fix to PC then they won't even need to worry about that either.
Also there's still the hard cap at about 180mph for these flagged cars, you see it in action specially on stunt races with big downhill slopes.
@@pedinhuh16 if you're basing that off digital in-car speedos those won't display speeds above 180mph for some reason (even if the car is going faster)
@@Johnny362000 I'm basing it on the analog speedos.
Get a Jester Classic, Tezeract and Taipan downhill, the analog speedos will lock at 180mph.
You will also see that the other cars will overtake you and simply keep going while your car stays behind, but only on those slopes.
@@pedinhuh16 analogue speedos are notoriously inaccurate, and the fact that those are stopping at 180 suggests they have the same limit at the digital ones
As always bruff, outstanding analysis 👏
We'd be lost without ya! Keep it up Brough 😁
The Koenigsegg 1:1 (Entity XXR) is one of my favorite cars in the world, and I’m still disappointed on how R* absolutely butchered it. I always felt like it could’ve been one of the best Super Cars on vanilla GTA but I guess we’ll never truly know with these handling flags
Yes it’s so frustrating
I say it’s more of an Agera RS than the 1:1
Though I definitely prefer the 1:1 over the rest of the Agera lineup
its an absolute banger now in tunnel heavy stunt races (easy 200mph)
Best content creator in the racing world of GTA. Thank you for everything you do, every video of yours makes me smile.
Thank you very much for the research sir. The insane over revs on the Jester Classic got extremely annoying really fast. Then realized the bouncy suspension flag might not be removed when Jester classic hit a bump and nearly front flipped.
Another classy video with quality, factual, useful information. Thanks Broughy
Thanks for always bringing us this videos broughy
Great video as always Broughy
Thank you. I learn a lot from your channel. I avoid buying unnecessary, underwhelming cars by watching your videos.
Currently the Jester Classic with Low Grip tires has unlimited handbrake boost & can reach insane speeds if you can somehow manage to control it (very hard to keep it straight)
Thank you so much for explaining all of this. We can only hope that they'll listen this time.
when you put bandiads and the corners of a bandaid to make the original bandaid stick
but then it still falls off
Thank you R* for fixing this. I pretty much HBB all my cars all the time. It was sad that you could not do that after Tuners patch.
I thought you were taking a break from GTA content like this? o.o Either way im glad you didnt and thankyou from the thousands of people that will watch this to understand what those fancy words mean
Thank you for all you do Broughy, and I 100% your decision on not retesting until you're sure Rockstar won't revert.
Noticed the change in the Jester classic the most. It's felt like the character didn't know how to drive the car anymore, banging the redline 1>2>sometimes 3rd gear.
Thanks for this breakdown, it will so much easier to point people here than to try to explain it.
Cheery Brough, good video as always :)
The jester classic with low grip tires and double clutch (handbrake boost) gets the awd speed glitch due to the flags and can literally max out the speedometer in the car on a long enough straight
Glad to see the issue explained properly. It's a shame R* didn't bother to check any other car with the flag.
For me I like the Jester Classic but that engine dragging ruins its flow of the drive.
"The misconception is that R* removed all advanced handling flags"
Well, I'm sure as glad I only watch your content to have not even known that was something the community had been believing 😂 Glad to trust you when it comes to these fact finding videos and testing that you do.
Good ol' Broughy, keeping the information straight for us all. Good ol' Rockstar, not seeming to understand their own cars. 🤷♂️
I stole the Entity XXR off the Streets for export and it hang unnaturally at max revs while popping every gear change. This is exactly what happened as you explained. Perfect sense now.
Terrorbyte is also glitched. You can’t source cars and crates or resupply businesses from it. It says “Join a Public Session”. But you can still access these options at respective business
The jester classic feels like a whole other car it’s a lot more fun to drive now(I kinda enjoy the maxing of the gears tbh)
I was just looking for this video and it's only been uploaded a minute ago, lol
Whatever changes were made to the Calico GTF that made it impossible to make all the jumps in the Big Drop stunt race is still in effect.
Listening to the XXF suffering like that gives me chills...
Always love these fact finding and discussion videos. Thanks Brough!
They should remove all handling flags. I've actually been driving the Viseris. I want to mention that the viseris and the Dominator ASP both had the same feel before the new dlc where they felt heavy and sluggish now they feel loose and its crazy.
The noise coming from the XXR made me laugh. That's absolutely ridiculous.
Ikr. I've been doing auto shop customer tunings since yesterday and when I had to deliver an XXR, I was like "wtf is going on with this car now" lol
Also I've come to notice that if you handbrake-boost the cars with the additional flags (i.e the Jester Classic) with Low Grip Tires, the car permanently stays at redline, making it constantly boost itself to ridiculous speeds
I've also seen this reported. My plan to not retest seems more solid now. There's no way Rockstar will be leaving them in this state.
@@broughy1322 good call, and I bet R* won't take long to mess with these cars again.
All they gotta do is delete the flag that doesn't let them shift up properly, hopefully they won't screw this up.
I have noticed that cars react to bumps differently, like the suspension is softer and that rebound is slower and causes more understeer. It's an interesting effect to say the least.
I do enjoy a good old fact finding video
Thanks for all this info and testing and stuff.
Thanks Broughy have a great day
Please don't leave gta broughy, we need you🙏🌟❤️
Do you have the i-Wagen on your re-test list since it got its engine upgrade now?
It is now. Good spot. I'd never have known about that.
With the nullification of this flag the cars now have a much better, louder acceleration noise than what they where before, notable with the Hotring Sabre in this video. I'm just glad that all these vehicles & the Tuners now can maintain constant wheelspin for potential drifting.
I noticed my Viseris handling waaaaay better post update. Driving from Paleto Bay to LS, just past the airport I noticed I was taking corners at full speed that previously would have ended with me in the ocean. I’m happy, it used to be my favourite car
Fact finding videos are my favorites
Thank you broughy for laying out these issues ive been watching u since i got the game and have been watching u ever since👍
Very informative thank you for sharing your findings as always
The fix is good for tuners and they can handbrake boost once more, but they're unable to go above a certain speed now. It still kinda feels like they were neutered in the speed department and honestly, if they wanted to avoid the stance and low grip tires from causing high speeds, they could've made a simple check that looks for stance and or low grip tires on the car and soft-cap the speed only if those aforementioned things are applied. Instead, it seems like they've globally soft-capped the speed regardless of the setup to avoid it entirely. Kind of a low-effort fix if you ask me. Hopefully the tuner cars get the HSW treatment in E&E, as well as E&E being brought over to PC.
the hotring is so much fun now
I love how the Tezeract has this flag even though it only has 1 gear
Gotta love how Rockstar literally implemented mechanics to make the game less enjoyable
Fantastic breakdown and thanks for the information. It'd be really nice if we could get a widespread push to remove all of the negative advanced handling flags for every car. Hopefully Rockstar notices the want of change from the community and eventually comes to fix it.
Been there done that years ago, it went nowhere. As expected.
you're the first person I've ever seen to specify the _bad_ ones. Thank you
Noticed the gb200 was driving differently earlier.
Think the backfiring whilst driving just makes the cars sound broken irl..
Backfiring? Isn't that just the turbo anti-lag?
@@Freezorgium no. Two different things.
Antilag doesn't happen when your accelerating.
The biggest crime here is that the Hotring Sabre sounds like a regular car when accelerating despite being a Stock Car and having a demonic idle engine note.
Does this mean my Michelli is now cured?
Jester classic is a mess now, but better
So the tezeract with no engine souned is a win win NICE :)
The Tezeract only has 1 gear, so this flag doesn't have any effect on it anyway.
Need your tier system implemented before most of these vehicles get used by the general public. It's not a pressing issue until then.
Literally just sold my Dominator GTX because of how annoying the constant red-lining was.
I can't say with any confidence that it's not just placebo, but the Vamos and Tulip seem to feel a lot better to drive after the update. I'm relatively sure Rockstar didn't do anything to the toe angles that made these cars randomly change direction when going over bumps, but they're a lot easier to handle ( or at least feel that way ) on PC.
i drove my vamos after the update and feel the opposite. it almost flipped on its roof when going around a corner.. i don't remember it being like this.
i'm also on pc.
I appreciate the videos!
Now, if they can just get some cars to drive naturally and not look like the tires are on ice skates, that would be great.
As a drifter, i can tell that low grip tires on every single car changed a lot the results instead the only suspension breaking glitch, and by the way low grip tires + suspension break glitch can bring even more different results. So yeah, theres a lot of study around the new parameters of calibration in the game. If they will last for long? I also dont know.
My only and biggest down side so far is that max turning angle lock has decreased, its around now on 30º, more or less. I don´t know if can be fixed with diferent kind of suspensions or wheel type, but sacrifice angles is not a good thing.
Steering lock is defined per-car. Unless LGTs change that. Most have around 40 with some getting up to the low 50s and some getting down to the low 30s
Randomly brought my Swinger out to cross the city... it's a good change.
Well, even the flags weren't removed and just only changed the effect on the cars performance affected by these ones, here is my thoughts about them right now:
-The supercars perform better, even they are still having the bouncy suspension. At the same time, I found that this flag helps them reach very high speeds when kerb boosting (like the GTO). And at the straight lines, their top speeds were provided a little, being closer to the top 3 current fastest supercars in the game (without the HSW upgrade).
-On a very long flat track, they are still having the same top speed like before this flags changes.
-Few of the SSASSS and AH cars would set on the current top tier just if R* remove all the AHF. Some of the following examples are:
1) Entity XXR: in terms of top speed it could be the fastest ordinary car in the game on a flat track (again, without considering the HSW upgrade). Its top speed would reach 131 MPH (beating even the Itali RSX), and in the classic straight lines its too speed would be higher, faster than the 811.
2) Tyrant: this car has the biggest potential to be the king of the speed in the game. With its handling, acceleration, kerb boosting and top speed quitely this would be even faster than the Vigilante on the straight line, blasting all the rest of the cars. And on races, it would be the perfect rival for the Krieger and the Emerus.
3) Taipan: basically with AHF removed in terms of performance it would behave like an 811 2.0, having the same top speed on a straight line and in a flat track it would run as fast as the Pariah does.
4) Jester Classic: by removing the AHF, this car would set on top tier if the sport class, in lap time and top speed, just behind of the Itali GTO, RSX and Pariah.
5) Flash GT: even the car performs really well in the off-road, without the AHF it would be more in the pace with Issi Sport, which is actually the king of this surface.
6) Swinger: as our lovely man Broughy showed us in one video, this car without AHF would blast the Sports Classic class in terms of top speed. It would still having the disadvantage of the handling; depends on the race, sometimes it would still being better to choose the Turismo Classic and the Cheetah Classic.
Bonus: the Dominator GTX before the reaching of the Buffalo STX, would be the king of the Muscle class in lap time, blasting even the ASP. Would still having the lowest top speed in this cathegory.
The rest of the cars are not mentioned here because even without AHF, which means a better performance and better top speed, they don't scale too many positions and still being far away from the top tier of their cathegories.
the Jester Classic and Taipan would not be that fast, you are deluding yourself
@@Johnny362000 maybe I am wrong with that, but having the right is not what I am interested. The main point is: all the cars would perform much better, even than right now if all the AHF were removed.
You're greatly overestimating these cars even if they had all the flags removed.
The Itali GTO, Pariah and RSX are on a whole another level entirely, they shouldn't even be in the Sports class so to say.
None of the flagged sports cars have any hopes of catching up to them, they're busted.
The Emerus, Krieger, S80RR and Ignus have faster lap times than the unrestrained Tyrant according to Broughy himself, he already did a video on these cars without flags, you can compare the lap times.
I do agree about the Swinger though, it has the power to keep up with the Retinue on the straights, but falls short on the handling department and the bouncy suspension it has makes it too unstable on bumps whereas the Retinue just soakes those up like they're nothing.
This is completely overestimated, the Tyrant and Jester most importantly would never be that OP without the AHFs
Well buddies... to reply you all at the time, my comment was made with base on the following videos:
SSASSS and AH cars lap time test without AHF:
ruclips.net/video/b4hC2XCSFfg/видео.html
Entity XXR with all the previous AHF vs flagless Entity XXR vs Entity XF:
ruclips.net/video/tZBegVcKOVo/видео.html
Entity XXR and Taipan top speed without AHF:
ruclips.net/video/XpVADC4YnJA/видео.html
Tyrant top speed without AHF:
ruclips.net/video/52eRp_BqXus/видео.html
(NOTE: in this video, the first test was made with 30 fps (the same FPS that PS4 and XBOX one have, while in the second was made with 50; you will notice the same speed boost that 811 has on PC with 60 FPS)
Tyrant lap time and speed test w/o AHF:
ruclips.net/video/nn2HkFuDtXM/видео.html
To finish, it was my bad to forget the S80RR, RE-7B, Ignus and Retinue MK2 to mention, so sorry for that. In lap time those are in the top tier. I am excited to see the new LM87 in the next testing video. It performs really great.
PD: I was looking since too long time the Broughy's video testing all the cars w/o AHF (apart of the Swinger and Flash GT) . If anyone has the link, I'll be so grateful to you all. My regards to everyone.
The Jester Classic immediately has felt better, but man I really hope they remove the secondary flag(s). The few times I've used it on Homecoming really spoiled me with how good the car really can be. Now if they'd just add it (and things like the original Futo and Warrener, which perform negligibly different than their tuner counterparts) to the class I'd be wicked happy!
Thanks Broughy! Always appreciate your content. It seems from the patch notes there was some intention with changing even the older cars
Thanks for this Bruffster. The Flash GT is one of my faves, I hope that its still in one piece.
Rockstar could even do a mini update and just remove the advance flags from the cars completely is it really that hard?
Yes, because if they do that, they can't sucker you into buying their HSW cars
Considering the speed glitches that are happening precisely because of the rev bombing flag still on those cars, they might just end up doing that...
Rockstar must not like speed you can’t even curb boost with the tuner cars they don’t gain speed from it
thx Broughy!
I think for Hotring Sabre its meant to give it this lazy V8 low redline sound. Without the fla git sounds just wrong. They should find a way to to affect the sound independently from performance
They _can_ affect the sound independently from the performance. Quite easily, in fact
Broughy you should checkout the bug on the Mk4 Supra (Jester Classic) if you put lowgrips on it and HBB it will wheelspin forever and hit speeds of 300mph!
it would be nice if rockstar addressed this sooner and removed the other handling flag, they'll finally become driveable
I've tested the Dominator GTX
The gearing is weird, it takes a bit to shift gear (it's not the slow transmission, it literally hits the limiter before shifting)
Because of this reason also the wheelie is kinda broken
The "good" thing is the infamous kerb boost that this car gets hitting every bump
Basically it's easy to notice that this car was not made for a handling flag removal
the handling flag hasn't been removed, it's been changed
Did you watch the video?
It would be really interesting to see rockstar allow manual transmissions in this game, would be really interesting to see how different or better these cars would perform if the shifting was in the hands of the driver
you would completely ruin the racing meta with the dumbest tech you've ever seen
We should get another petition on wheels…
when will you people realise that online petitions are like pissing into the wind
Finally I can drift with the futo again 😁
really thanks to the explanation, it's clear and easy to understand!
So true. They now drive better, the the constant red lining makes the engine sound like garbage.
Idk if the speedometer is accurate in game, but the jester classic now goes 130 mph without curb boosting
speedometers are not accurate, unless they are digital
Don’t see too many people talking about this but they also nerfed lowgrips to where they don’t make any car you put them on any faster then they were without the lowgrip tires.
I literally mentioned that in this video (and in the community post yesterday detailing the changes we found)
Just watched this video while waiting for the Entity XXR to be delivered in my garage lol. Is the Entity XXR good or should I sell it?
No. Keep the car with you. Even with these changes explained, it performs too much better than before. It reaches very high speeds while kerb boosting and is more competitive in races!
How are the Open Wheel vehicles with Low Grip Tyres affected by different wings? Is Top Speed/Acceleration affected in the same way as without the LGT, or is there not much of a difference with them ("them", again, being the different wings)
Someone needs to send this to rockstar
why would you send to them a video about the change they made on purpose?
@@Johnny362000 To show them that it's not enough to fix these cars and that now they behave ridiculously because of the other handling flags applied to them
I drove my entity just now and I was like wtf??!! And I came here to find out they fixed it
For me, it sounds funny that the Swinger isn't that good. That's my weapon of choice against Turismo and Infernus Classics on twisty classic sports cars races. But any improvement on anything is always welcomed!
Theoretically the Turismo and Cheetah are better than the Swinger but ig the Swinger fits your racing style better so you feel comfy at racing it
Welp, they fixed the fix, sad
Why is Rockstar so hell bent on keeping these stupid advanced flags in the game? All they do is render potentially fun cars into something not even worth putting in the game. I bought all of the Tuners vehicles, and even a few duplicates, when they first came out, because I loved that update so much. Now I don't even touch them because they're just not fun to drive anymore. I've also gotten into the habit of looking up cars online before I buy them, just to check if they have any of those stupid flags (especially the bouncy flag). If there's an advanced flag on a vehicle, I refuse to even waste money on it.
I always want to play but then I remember they patched all the merges, but the real reason I lost interest was that weird revving flag
Cars like the Cheburek and the issi classi are so funny now on bumpy roads
They sound ridiculous
Wondered why my gb200 was popping its arse off!
Ahhh that's why my jester classic bangs off the limiter like a parking lot hero in their mum's civic haha
For some reason the Tezeract feels grippy and RSX as well feels like it has the downforce now and might be king or maybe just placebo 🤷🏼♂️
the RSX would be miles different, would not feel like a placebo
If you feather the throttle while high revving, it shifts.
wait so can you negate that overrevving thing by shortshifting? cuz that would "fix" it entirely
I love how Rockstar jumps on a car if it's too fast but yet they leave in god mode glitches the bogg den heist glitch to get unlimited money they patch all the gate launching glitches all the fun glitches that does not hurt anybody they patch them but they leave all these major game breaking problems in the game