@@Quickturealeyes From what I've seen most scholars believe it is the Rubus sanctus plant indeed, but not the variant that "burns" which is the vapour, called "Dictamnus albus". Robus sanctus is also found at the base of Sinai at the Basilica. I am really interested in the biological or botanus references you can point to though...
A rough quote ish in the constitution reads like if men were governed by angles we would have no need of these regulations but as we are governed by men so- Bad quote. Good idea.
@alikzandergreata2115 it's not just the angels as messengers but the central figure and it's avatar constructing divine influence but those in charge of the rules are prone to abuse of power through corruption of negative influences of repressed thoughts
i have mad respect for how they can have an ACTUAL DISCUSSION on completely contrasting viewpoints... if only this type of mutual respect was more commonplace between two parties... you can't even disagree with someone nowadays without going into extreme territories
The more I listen to Brett the more I realize that Eric is the smart one in the family. Joe's 100% right about this. Brent didn't even consider the cognitive dissonance that comes into play when a society gets brainwashed for generations.
The notion that society as a whole has been brainwashed because of a belief system that they adhere to, because that belief system has stood the test of time due to its utility, is a rather myopic opinion. To right off all of religion to "brainwashing" seems to me, is far more of a stretch to believe, rather than believing or understanding that religions, regardless of whether or not they were truly "divine", had profound utility. And if you have to resort to an ad hominem attack (basically calling Brett Weinstein, of all people, dumb) in an attempt to discredit them (and ipso facto their opinion(s)), then you must not be very confident in your opposition. Which begs the question... Why not? Talk about cognitive dissonance...
Of course its only brainwashing when its ideas you don't approve of, right? You don't think atheists exhibit cognitive dissonance? They're all just perfectly rational people? Don't assume that you have all the answers and if everyone just followed your morals, ethics and ideas, the world would be a perfect place. Most people, even atheists, appear to be predisposed to some sort of spirituality, and if that's the case, then they will fill that void with something.
joe is absolutely and clearly in the wrong here. "i think all ideology's are cults" is a hilariously ignorant we're all, always, all the time, subject to ideology. there are fundamental and absurd assumptions underlying all of our thought processess and actions. im not a theoretical physicist or scientist, but i do understand that our entire basis of science and knowledge is based on fundamental assumptions (i think its stuff like we assume passage of time or motion idk). at the end of the road we're all subject to ideology wether its heavens gate, catholicism, mormonism, capitalism, communism. he's stuck in semantics there is a purpose to differentiating religions and cults im an atheist too i think a great deal of catholic practices are much more reflective of a cult than a religion, but regardless its a significant and important distinction.
i think they’re the same thing. by definition a religion is a cult but just because it’s a cult doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing. there’s a stigma to that word that if you call something a cult it automatically means people gathering around in black robes and sacrificing babies to the dark lord. a cult just means a group of people who worship something/someone it doesn’t always have to be malicious.
Ahhh Joe, born and raised Mormon, and I'm right there with you about all religions being cults. I looked up cult and it's a group of people with similar belief or behavior. Like the " Red Hat Ladies or the girl scouts". Mostly harmless, as Douglas Addams liked to say. I would like the reference for -Mormons get a planet- 70 years around the Mormon church and I've never heard that one anywhere except GoogleGossip. Along with a lot of equally funny ideas that other lifelong Mormons never heard of either. I love your podcast. Live long and keep the conversations growing.
@@joshua.snyder I grew up lds as well. Yes it’s a cult, but I think it wears that label to an unfair degree compared to all the other crazy Christian sects.
I think the planet is more assumed because you can become like God. I'm sure a general authority or apostle mentioned it some time in history but that doesn't make it doctrine necessarily, although most members would see it that way. But it is annoying how he always says that. Mormons probably technically believe it but he makes it sound like they're preaching it every Sunday or something.
@@Horsethief666do you know that this person wasn’t preached that on a near constant basis? Genuine question. Not sure how sects of LDS work. (Also why did we have LDS commercials constantly as kids? I was born in the 1980s) anyone? Bueler?
Ok tell me where is the line drawn between a cult and an organization..where please tell me..I respect joes mind hes highly intelligent but hes off on this one...David coresh of the branch davidians in Waco was a cult , marshal aplewhite of heavens gate that was a cult .. Catholicism , and the girl scouts are not cults..faith and religion is a touchy subject for joe so I expect his statements on this .
The fact that our children and even us where fed their whole lives fluoride ( which is a by product of making aluminum) that turns our pineal gland in our brain into scar tissue says something cuz it's also believed that our imagination and such stems from the pineal glad but we are fed shit all the time to kill it...
This is a perfect example of 2 adults, having a discussion on something they have different views on, but are able to discuss them, be open minded, and actually listen to each other.
It's kind of interesting, I have noticed I can have a very strong disagreement with another Republican / conservative / libertarian and we can very civilly articulate our arguments back and forth. On the other hand, trying to have a similar argument / discussion with a leftist is usually impossible. They will usually not argue facts and specific cases, but will argue only generalities and emotions. When they do use facts or figures it's very Cherry picked and misleading. A good example of this was yesterday a discussion on equal pay for women. The leftist kept arguing the statistics that annual salaries for women are less than men, but would totally ignore how this statistic does a not reflect the amount of hours of worked or the type of work being done. So the statistic they want to use compares annual pay for a part-time McDonald's worker with a 60 hour a week oilfield worker.
When I had DMT, i definitely wasn't in a familiar place or a place I'd been in any dreams prior to the experience and haven't seen anything close since having DMT. It was probably the most astonishing or surprising thing I've ever experienced. I didn't know our brains had the capacity to create such experiences. I'm still debatable whether i created the illusions and conversations with these entities or whether some other force implanted them in my brain. There was definitely some type of element of leaving my physical body vulnerable, as i broke on to the other side, which would seem the only way of infiltrating my thought process. I've done skydiving, Bungy jumping, scuba diving etc and this experience is right up there with the best of them. We fear what we don't know or understand...i was scared shitless, as i was in a place i didn't know or understand, despite preparing myself to be entering another realm and potentially visiting little people and having conversations with them, nothing can prepare you for this experience, because when it happens...i was like "no f@#ing way, i simply can't believe it" I don't recommend asking what's this week's tatts lotto are going to be, didn't end well with me😢
Can you clarify what you mean in the last sentence? What didn’t end well? I love reading about ppls experience with DMT. Fascinating that we naturally produce this chemical, dubbed the “God molecule”-I mean? That’s no accident. I know the stories are so vulnerable, terrifying, but expansive: “arrive without traveling” ❤
@@Kate82261 I felt like they we're saying "here we are showing you the wonders of the universe, and your asking for lottery numbers?" But I persisted, and then I received a big scare from something that hissed like a cat with huge fangs, as fast as it scared me, it disappeared, like a warning, and a quick lesson in the laws of random probability.
@@Kate82261 I was told prior to trying it that I might see little elves, so my brains like "okay cool, noted" So whilst in this realm with what reminded me of the little Oompa Loompa's from Charlie and the chocolate factory, all wearing little white gloves and acting childish, I'm wondering where are these coming from? Me? Or something else?
@@Kate82261 The weirdest thing I felt was their jealousy, they were extremely jealous, and I think they were jealous of my curiosity, the fact that I didn't understand the whole universe. I felt they couldn't feel "curious" like us. Almost as if they knew everything and nothing was surprising or new.
@@Kate82261 When the "trip/experience" was coming to an end, they waved hysterically saying "come back soon, don't forget about us, make sure you come and visit us again" all in a childish manner. So I thought it was weird that they knew it was coming to an end my trip somewhere.
Yeah....unless he actually cares about it and it has something to do with him....then he’s VERY emotional and won’t listen and argues to death....just listen to the Steven Crowder podcast when Joe brought up weed....he wouldn’t listen to any point Steven had and resorted to raising his voice to the point of yelling over him and not listening, and started calling him a bitch and a pussy.
Daniel Ortega I’m just saying. I absolutely freaking love Joe and his podcasts, I listen to at LEAST one of his podcasts or a clip once a day, but this is the truth. When it comes to his weed, there are many many podcasts where as soon as his weed is brought up most if not all of his ability to listen or have a discussion goes out the window. He just seems to lock down and plug his ears and goes on his same spiel he does in every single podcast when it’s brought up. I’m just saying this is his one weakness in his podcasts. But I still love Joe and love his podcasts and discussions.
@@aj200415 yeah that's an unfortunate consequence, i wouldn't assume but it's very similar to the way an addict will defend their behaviour to the bitter end, i'm big into weed and i believe its a very positive drug, less dangerous than smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol, but it definitely has an addictive effect just like any behaviour, you can go through heavy withdrawal's which are not fun, so i think he feels attacked when people criticise weed because it's basically his "medication", it's also reflective of his passion for the topic, just like if i said your favourite movie or band sucks ass, you'd most likely jump straight to defending it with emotion because it has that emotional connection in your brain, obviously no one knows but Joe himself but he could do better to try and remain calm and centred. Edit: Joe is also high as fuck in the Crowder interview so that would definitely affect his inhibitions.
The only problem i have with any organized way of thinking is because it so easily slips into the realm of "I'm right, you're wrong and thats that." Society as whole would better if we were more willing to learn from those with opposing views
I have narcolepsy which I didn't develop which is most common but have had it my whole life. As a narcoleptic we fall straight into REM and may be in REM sleep for (unmedicated which I was until 24) anything between 16-20 odd hours a day. I find it so interesting what you are saying about the production of DMT in REM 🤯 With this new info in mind, it could explain the hypnogogic hallucinations that occurs daily ( unmedicated ) along with other strange sleep phenomenon which accompanies the condition.
He says religions that have stood the test of time must have had a significant meaning to people to do so...I imagine fear of being burnt or imprisoned for life for believing in anything else might have had something to do with it's staying power as well.
Catholicism is a perversion of Christianity. It was a way for the government at the time to gain control of people. A true Christian can see the fallacies of the catholic religion. God/the bible has clear messages that never change. Under the catholic religion, it's whatever suits the powers that be. That's why people get divisive about the pope because some argue that he should stick to what the bible says, and others are ok with him changing the rules to appease the masses. Under Christianity, the rules are the rules, set by God/Jesus, and there's no deviating from them. Under Catholicism, the pope can change them in order to keep people going to church (for revenue). I've talked to priests whom purposely withhold information from their followers because they're afraid they'll stop going to church. Effectively giving them feel good-misinformation for the sake of continuing to get offerings from them. When for Christians, the truth is far more important than money/fame/status or even control. Christianity is about self control and having fellowship with Christ/God for our salvation, where as Catholicism is about following the church with pseudo-Christian messages. I used to be catholic until I read the bible and realized how far off Catholicism went from the original messages. Which is one of redemption and salvation rather than condemnation.
@@jackburton3212 your so correct altough i think its more nefarious than that. I believe the popes to be agent of evil and their cults to be synagogues of Satan. One thing well agree on is their definetley NOT Christian. Christians believe in indiviuals connection the Christ. Catholics believe that the pope connects them and without his approval they cannot be saved. A literal quote from 2013 "you cannot have an individual connection to jesus christ, only i can forgive your sins" pope benedict xvi and he goes on to say more satanic and anti christian things.
according to his line of thinking, there is no religion, that They are all cults. I think biggest difference is that in Cults, they try to control your life, make you behave with negative reinforcement, try to manipulate you into buying into their bs. With religion it is usually texts that has stories that has parallels with life and they just resonate with your own experiences and the priests of those religions want to share you their story so you'd know more than you did yesterday, so you can articulate what you've been experiencing and make those choises consciously, but otherwise leave everything up to you. There is no hell, no punishment, nothing except things we all universally agree to obey. This ofc does not change the fact that human aspect of all belief systems is as stable as the humans that are in it. It does not mean religion itself is not real, or bs, its just their human representitives have failed them.
@cablecow15 there are those who are blind because they cannot see, and then there are those who are blind because they don't want to see. I'll pray for you as I was lost once too. 🙂
What I find most amazing about Joe Rogan is his constant interest and respect of the guest’s opinions even when he obviously does not agree at all. He stays calm and wants to hear more of an opposing opinion. His skills are probably under appreciated by most of the public.
@@ResidentRaccoon the good one where the interviewer is better than most in the world and not worried about some people’s sensitivities about a broken religion that to many sheep follow and support blindly.
See, this is why I like Joe. He can disagree with me and give good evidence on why he could be right and do it without insulting me. And, at the same time, if I were to drop evidence on him to help prove my side of the debate, he takes it in without assuming I'm insulting him. And considers my debating points and applies them going forward. It's that last part that really sets him apart. He actually considers the debating points of the people that disagree with him and sometimes forms a new opinion based on things he's learned. And this causes me to respect his opinion whether I agree or not. For that, I applaud you, Mr Joe Rogan. Keep doing what you do
Really interesting chat :) Remember that Moses, if he is in fact a historic figure - would have spent several years as "the Pharoah's son". Geting educated by the best of the best Egyption priests ( and a variety of artists / artisans etc). Not too far fetched to believe that he knew which bushes / barks / roots / cacti to chew for "inspiration".
I mean yea he will say a lot of things that dont make sense about drugs a lot tho like for example acacia bark doesnt have near enough DMT you would have to do an extraction with lye and shit
@@jerrypapadatos1210 yea its a spread rumor now Joe knows the basics about drugs but theres so much hes so misinformed about even with weed especially with mdma and novel psychs
Firstly, a conspiracy is a crime. A real crime you can be charged with. To call something a conspiracy is to call it real. The crime of conspiracy is when 2 or more people secretly plan/plot an illegal/harmful act. Moses was one person, therefore could not have been a conspiracy so it's just a theory/speculation/conjecture.
he didnt have a point, he said cults are supernatural beliefs used to exploit people, yet doesnt acknowledge either scientology or catholicism are cults, yet they both are unproven supernatural beliefs, and are used to exploit people for resources
@@steampunk_cat5592 he did have a point though, he said that those institutions havent negativity impacted their massive amounts of followers so the word "cult" isnt a correct term. I understand where you're coming from but I agree that cult isnt the right terminology.
Mitchell Mahurin that depends on what your goals are. Ofcourse if your book says what your doing is good, you’ll think your doing good. This is where joes question comes up again. “Is it for the good of the people who are apart of the plan or is it for the plan itself.” And no matter how much Christianity touts its humanity card so much, ultimately your nothing if you don’t put god above all else. As soon as you introduce god and the need to adore him you immediately become a cult. You can disagree, but why would you want to willingly be incorrect?
When I did DMT I saw Ganesha staring at me behind palm leaves. I never even thought about Ganesha like that before this experience and it was crazy how this Energy manifested itself in my trip
I think had Moses had a DMT experience on the mountain, then came down to find people worshipping a golden calf, he would not have reacted in anger. It would have just seemed to be a continuation of the DMT experience.
@@classicrocklover5615 Joe's explanation of Moses experience was the worst I've ever heard. I'd have to be really high to find it insightful or believable.
Watching this- because I'm tripping. And I can confirm that I'm experiencing something my conscience calls God and that moses may have as well as an explanation of him truthfully thinking the 10 commandments were from God.
@@aguspuig6615 That or lying about the source of his rules to make them more authoritative. Could have been either, but there were traditions with psychedelics and them showing you God back then. Either way, from the success of the religion, I'd say those rules created a fair bit of social stability, so the lying option could be viewed as a white lie.
I'm so glad I'm not vulnerable to psychosis cuz I ACCIDENTALLY tripped on DMT for my first time at Electric Forest 😂 But Ive researched every drug so I knew what it was soon as it hit me.
@@blub-tf6rt Have you done DMT? Acid is like weed compared to DMT 🤣 I could take a hit of acid and never even realize it. There is *NO* MISTAKING DMT, honestly it's probably weirder than having schizophrenia.
When defending what they like, people love to resource to fallacies like "oh, if it wasn't great it wouldn't have existed for so long" or "the dictionary definition of that word doesn't apply to what I like, because...reasons." Congrats to Joe for not rolling his eyes, because the urge must've been unbearable.
One of my problems with the JRE Clips is that half the time he has real competent people on, half the time he has wingnuts, and I never know which I'm getting until 7-8 minutes into the video.
Oh my god, you have to actually watch and establish your own opinion rather than being told what to think by some arbitrary title and some even more arbitrary and dehumanising political labels. woah. What a shame!
using fear to control people is how most religion operates.Thats why some love their Gods out of fear of being damned.Sometimes I question my beliefs especially when someone goes against
@Boricua 787 its Catholicism. If you believe in the teachings then you are a Catholic. You took an L with your comment but who cares, we learn something new everyday.
You just blew my mind joe 😮 if you had my genetics, my life, my body, everything my experiences etc you’ll be right where I’m at because we’re all the same and separation is an illusion…That makes sense! I think intuitively I knew that, but what a great way of explaining it.
And Christians believe that people who leave their religion will burn in hell. That may not be as harsh as killing someone like they do in Islam, but it is still a problem and makes Christianity look like a cult.
@@temporarymomentary I agree. But it is a free country. Also, the creator is dead. You have the right to beliefs. Just don't chop off heads. lol. It is legal to believe whatever you want. Just don't hurt people.
It was only a hard conversation for one guy .. the one who was very inconsistent on his interpretation of facts and had to constantly figure out mid conversation why his logic did apply to one religion or cult but not another. That's why he had a hard time ! Joe was very clear and had facts to back up everything he said ready to go with no bullshit backtracking like the other guy
Of course he's either right or wrong.. He's making a statement claiming that the religious institutions in place are there because they work, and only made it because they make society better, stronger, and less corrupt, including the need to keep itself from becoming corrupt. Anyone that has studied the history of the Catholic Church especially should be able to provide enough examples from a period of 19 centuries on why that is complete bullshit. He also talks about priests passing down their genetics through their influence over their flock and how they effect the outcome of their lives, which doesn't make any sense. Genes aren't an intellectual concept, its a part of us physically, its why we have the characteristics we have like eye and hair color, and even if we are more susceptible to various diseases and are passed down from our parents, the reason why people often look like their parents. The reason why Christianity is so widespread and ingrained, especially in the Western world is due to the fact that for around 1000 years or so, if you were a pagan and lived within marching distance of a Christian population large enough to put together an army there was a good chance you would be invaded, and if you didn't convert you would be executed in some of the most cruel, horrifying, and disgusting methods I've ever heard of, and I've studied war for years.. Claiming that there have been rules and structure put in place to stop corruption, to keep priests celibate, and prevent them from getting rich are just ignorant and how he claims they have been so insightful, otherwise other groups that think the same as they do without the mistake would gain influence.. He must not ever fact check his own thoughts, or do any research. There are thousands of denominations of Christianity now, Catholics and Protestants have been warring and killing each other up until just a few decades ago and now they have to put up walls to keep each other separate. Meanwhile there ARE Catholic priests that are married, priests in Africa are disgustingly corrupt and do great harm to their own flock while the Vatican seems that they couldn't care less, Bishops are living in million dollar apartments with their art alone worth tens of millions using the church bank to hide their wealth and they don't seem to do any good for society. When they do implement change, its often long after others have done so and they join the procession at the tail end and as Mark Twain pointed out, never forget to take credit for the change in the first place. They, like the Bible were pro-slavery, until most of the world had outlawed it, they were very anti-gay and responsible for the UK especially keeping homosexuality illegal until the 1950s, but of course now like to act as if they are tolerant, and that even gays are God's children. I could probably fill a book just explaining how wrong this guy is when it comes to the Catholic Church, and several others with the other cults out there. The definition, being "a group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister." easily meets the definition that most would probably agree with. The main reason why the cult of Christianity survived till now is because its always been about power over belief, if they stuck to their beliefs and tried to preach and practice the religion as its supposed to be practiced as the Bible commands, and what was far closer to being actual Christianity until the enlightenment civilized it a bit there would either be far less Catholics, or the world would be a far more horrible place to live in. Society isn't doing good because of these institutions, they are thriving despite them.
That's why I love Bret Weinstein. He's not afraid to engage, and he doesn't back down when he believes something is wrong. Weinstein for President 2020!
Joe ...Isn't wanting everyone to do DMT the start of a cult/religion?. DMT isn't for everyone..Joe's church of DMT. I was raised in the Catholic Church people changed because they were terrified they were going to go burn in hell.
@@gaylewatkins6781 I think he’s specifically said it’s not for everyone and there’s some people that should stay away from drugs completely but some people that could benefit. He’s definitely made jokes. But.. that’s his job.
There was no brilliant defense of his argument. "It's old" doesn't address the question of whether it is a cult. Catholicism does meet the definition. And he makes multiple assertions backed by logical fallacies. Lastly Joe is still running a podcast and he will break tension or try to transition to another topic by saying silly shit.
I’ve learned more from Joe Rogans podcast then I did in 18 years of being in the public school system and one semester of community college God bless you Joe Keep preaching the truth
Audrey Mota oh for sure, but the way he structured his argument, this was the correct response even though he does clarify that he finds Scientology troublesome
This is why I like him. He doesn't admit it but he's a smart guy. If he a single passion for one thing and stuck to that only he couldve easily been a great researcher. I see him like. He knows a little about a bunch of things and kind of find ways to intertwine them.
I don’t agree w many of Rogans views on certain social issues (trans community & gender identity etc) but god damn it does he do a Great Job as an interviewer. He is wonderful at moving an interview in the right direction but also takes things to different places that open up new debates & topics. Moreover lol, his range of people on his podcast are very eclectic, which I love.
@CALEB EPPLEY Yes, I was getting annoyed at that. Wished he would just shut up an let hom finnish a sentence. I would have been getting frustrated if I was him but to his credit he just went with the flow
Any cult that you could leave, can be left quite easily as well. It's in the eye of the beholder at that point, or on to the sole purpose, of what the individual really needs to do.
This whole talk made me feel very uncomfortable but somehow that feels like a good thing? Very interesting topic, I like this guy I’m going to look into more of his stuff.
It's only rough if you're trying to come to some type of logical peaceful understanding. It's easy if you don't give a fuck about logic truth and understanding then you can just throw out labels and hateful rhetoric at anyone who disagrees with you.
I love how the guy said church doesn't use confession as a weapon to control people, then proceeds to give an example of the church controlling its people with fear through confession 😂
My girlfriend who is very religious always tries to talk to me about religion. And I as an agnostic, believe that religion in an individualistic sense is extremely powerful and in most cases positive, but in a collective sense it is very dangerous. When a person is able to grieve with the thought that their loved one will ascend to heaven and their soul continues to live on is an extremely powerful and positive belief, but when her congregation becomes a popularity contest and every little thing anyone in the congregation does gets talked about (mostly in a negative sense) and possibly get ostracized by your so called family because of how tight knit they are. Even though they're not suppose to be judgemental they can be the most judgemental and cruel people I know. I know this isn't always the case but it is what I have viewed.
@@jadenswitalski all the time. Pretty hypocritical people. I mean I judge people, I try not to but at least I'm not vowing an oath and then breaking that oath like it's my job
You're all wrong!!! I've experienced enlightenment multiple times in my life. Agnostic is also a cult so do not be misguided in the logic that because the belief set in the worship on sience is void of a magic god or alien lifeform. It functions exactly as the so called cult does, you must except the belief set or Darwin and other theoretical insights including the big bang theory. So always remember and remain open minded to the concept that DMT slowly trying to guide us along. The methods do change and all cognitive mind's are not wired the same, some people need a structure based way of life, other's thrive on structuring the lives of others. As long as the ladder man in the last sentence is providing a DMT based interpretation that benefits the person adhering to the structure it's ok. It's true that the ladder can be occupied by an unwholesome person who exploit, manipulate and so on. It's difficult to convince people to believe they are involved in something proven to be a lie when every night you lay down, you have the ability to be subjected to DMT brain activity wether it be mild in nature or non eventful hense easily disregarded or extremely potent either pleasant or in the form of an intense nightmare. When you're subjected to that brain function from birth it's difficult to know what waking interpretation of this existence really is. We are all just hallucinating together during the day trying to make sense of biological life and resource management, yet at night we all drift into a singular realm of DMT and experience vividly mind bending perceptions that no other human had other then you. We should be vary carful with common sense and alter all belief set's over time to adopt what sience has shown us. Yet like I say my fellow human friends, sience is a cult, wether good or bad we all need to agree no belief set is void of insanity. It's a core function of are brain.
@@beastclips4642 bro I can assure you I'm not associated with a cult. I came to terms of my agnostic beliefs on my own. I get what your saying, and im not saying you're wrong. I'm also saying no one who believes in God is wrong. I truly do not know what lies beyond this world and that's fine. I'm not really talking about anything you brought up. All I'm saying is I respect religion when it allows people to grieve when a loved one dies with the thought they aren't fully gone since they go to an afterlife, or when times get hard and they ask God for guidance and believe guidance will come. But when religion is in a collective sense I have problems with it. That's all I'm really saying. I'm not putting down any one religion, I'm not saying me being agnostic is right, I don't know what is right, and nobody else does either, all we have is beliefs, and I believe if I don't know for sure then I can't act as if a God exists. That's it.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader. -Creed Bratton
I was looking at the biblical time line and yo the blood line makes since all the way up to moses, like a huge gap is missing! then moses claims to know god comes down with this book and laws ??? and moses just seems to be this guy who leads the hebrews who didnt have a leader, and they wonder around a dessert learning laws like 600+ for 40 years ????? But what makes me scratch my head again is, if you just got freedom from being controlled and enslaved by a nation that now is chasing you into a dessert, why in the excuse my language fuck would you go right next door ??? Israel is right next to egypt! if you input in the map egypt to Israel takes 9 days to walk there and moses was educated by a pharaohs standards ? So he had to of known the area come on. Now smaller the scale if you are entrapped and in a fight with someone and that someone starts chasing you and trys to kill you would you go a few houses down? Nah I would high tailed my ass to alaska i mean go look on the map And keep in mind they had "god" splitting seas and shit so they could of went anywhere Moses seems like a military fraud who first deceived these innocent messiah waiting hebrews took advantage of a nation that is lost
Vincent Serafini he is highly open minded and thoughtful about the topic where as joe is not. Joes mind is made up so it’s black and white for him. The other man is looking to fully understand these systems and sees many colors.
@@brandonguthrie8122 Thats because Weinstein is a wishy washy little bitch that is always afraid of offending anyone. He's been that way since Evergreen. He went with that whole mentality there until it finally impacted him directly and he was threatened. Then he decided he didn't want to go along anymore. The guy is 100% a weasel.
It's not that Weinstein is wishy washy, he's an academic, Joe is a comedian. Joe can say whatever he wants with hardly any backlash, in this case, since he was raised Catholic, he can get away with it entirely. Weinstein can't.
What degrees has he earned? What professional research, blind studies, neutral sided essay was submitted to earn a doctorate? Did Joe Rogan have a thesis that was published? If the established medical journals are wrong what did he write that disproves them?
@@1984Brandon why does he need a degree to tell people how DMT changed his life? he's never claimed he was any kind of professional. i'm not sure why you need to be a doctor or a published author to tell people your life experiences, or why you can't learn something valuable from them as a watcher/listener.
I was able to experience discussions like this with a coworker a long time ago. He was from Canada. We shared an office space and periodically we would have political discussions. We would always present the devil's advocate to each other on different stories. We were always able to present our points of view in a mature way, and at the end of the discussion we would agree to disagree in a friendly manner, and that was always the end of that particular topic. We never once got in a heated argument, and always recognized each others point of view in a mature way.
I had to do that with a very close friend in college who I met on day 1 & became fast friends… a year & a half goes by when I learn his political beliefs which I genuinely believed was a joke, esp given his sense of humor, but no he was serious. At first I was flustered acting on impulse, and it didn’t go well. This bothered me, I actually felt guilty & I broached the topic later on at a different angle, mature, respectful, open minded, researched, and conversing to let a person finish listening to what they really said, to drastically different result. That’s when I learned how to agree to disagree because I had a personally vested interest.
@@esk8er900 That's great. What I learned was that we both came from different backgrounds, and upbringing so we could definitely have different views. It was very interesting for sure.
Moses being on DMT just might be the most Joe Rogan topic ever
He keeps mentioning that but according to biologists, the acacia tree didn't even grow in that region. He should have Reza aslan on the podcast imo
Mr. Matt it’s actually native to Negev and Sinai, which is the general region where Moses is thought to have encountered the burning bush. So...
@@Quickturealeyes From what I've seen most scholars believe it is the Rubus sanctus plant indeed, but not the variant that "burns" which is the vapour, called "Dictamnus albus". Robus sanctus is also found at the base of Sinai at the Basilica. I am really interested in the biological or botanus references you can point to though...
@@noname-tf7kq those "scientists" and experts will find a way around that inconvenient fact...maybe they'll find the answer in their next DMT trip
LMAO IKR
Less than 2 minutes in and immediately moses was on DMT. This is the best podcast ever
Wtf..joe is obsessed with dmt..
Fuk I wanna try dmt‼
@@matthewcarl82 then do it
xD
@@deinemuddamithut I dont know where to get that shit from😒 Only if Rogan hooked me up🤣
mc8 it’ll definitely change your life my friend
"anybody with power is gonna be in danger of abusing it...."
Now that is the best phrase I will take to heart forever
Dont worry about it too much, you'll never get it
@@user-zx4ds8mt9b hahahahahahaha
A rough quote ish in the constitution reads like if men were governed by angles we would have no need of these regulations but as we are governed by men so-
Bad quote. Good idea.
@alikzandergreata2115 it's not just the angels as messengers but the central figure and it's avatar constructing divine influence but those in charge of the rules are prone to abuse of power through corruption of negative influences of repressed thoughts
i have mad respect for how they can have an ACTUAL DISCUSSION on completely contrasting viewpoints... if only this type of mutual respect was more commonplace between two parties... you can't even disagree with someone nowadays without going into extreme territories
And no f-bombs, very civil discussion
Cos We're not being paid handsomely to debate
"When your cult gets called a religion... You've made it"
lol awesome
Its all about the 501c tax deduction.
That's a good one
@@reesee9669 The church of perpetual exemption..
I like how this has 666 likes (not changing it)
When he called the pope some dude who dresses like a wizard I lost it 🤣🤣🤣
is he not a wizard?
Jehovah's Witnesses are the true religion.
@@archangeljesus4369 lmao you’re in the wrong comment section buddy
@@archangeljesus4369 I used to think the same, but it is 100% a cult
@@shawnchristianson324 Jehovah's Witnesses are the true worshipers wether you believe it or not.
It's when you watch these older videos that you realize how much joe has improved in letting others talk and just listen
I'm with Rogan on this: When a Cult gets really big we call it a Religion, but they're pretty much the same.
Cults have secrets that only select people can access.
@@scaryjokerlike pope knows only things we normal humans know :'D
A regular religion u can leave and come back at your choice a cult u can’t u stuck there by force
Scientology sitting quietly in the corner:
@@deflategate1297 no, Islam kills their non believers.
Man I thought the Rogan DMT memes were getting old and my man comes out with “Moses was on DMT and created Judaism”
beatleplayer1011 I mean it makes more sense than hearing “the voice of God” out of thin air
He's been saying that for almost a decade lol
It’s definitely likely
@@MnemonicHeadTrip It's more plausible than a bush was on fire for no reason and also it was God talking to him.
Acacia trees/bushes are common in that part of the world, it’s just as likely imo
It's entirely possible a buddy of mine did DMT while eating elk meat. Pull that up Jamie.
HAHAHAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAAAAAAAAA HAHAHAAAAAAAAA
100%
It's entirely possible that a buddy of mine saw a ripped chimp on DMT eating elk meat, can you pull that up Jamie
A buddy of mine ate elk meat from an elk who was using DMT.
For real though f dmt elk meat slaps
The more I listen to Brett the more I realize that Eric is the smart one in the family. Joe's 100% right about this. Brent didn't even consider the cognitive dissonance that comes into play when a society gets brainwashed for generations.
The notion that society as a whole has been brainwashed because of a belief system that they adhere to, because that belief system has stood the test of time due to its utility, is a rather myopic opinion. To right off all of religion to "brainwashing" seems to me, is far more of a stretch to believe, rather than believing or understanding that religions, regardless of whether or not they were truly "divine", had profound utility.
And if you have to resort to an ad hominem attack (basically calling Brett Weinstein, of all people, dumb) in an attempt to discredit them (and ipso facto their opinion(s)), then you must not be very confident in your opposition. Which begs the question... Why not? Talk about cognitive dissonance...
Of course its only brainwashing when its ideas you don't approve of, right? You don't think atheists exhibit cognitive dissonance? They're all just perfectly rational people? Don't assume that you have all the answers and if everyone just followed your morals, ethics and ideas, the world would be a perfect place. Most people, even atheists, appear to be predisposed to some sort of spirituality, and if that's the case, then they will fill that void with something.
😂😂 y'all feel pretty smart when you use words like fallacy and dissonance
joe is absolutely and clearly in the wrong here. "i think all ideology's are cults" is a hilariously ignorant we're all, always, all the time, subject to ideology. there are fundamental and absurd assumptions underlying all of our thought processess and actions. im not a theoretical physicist or scientist, but i do understand that our entire basis of science and knowledge is based on fundamental assumptions (i think its stuff like we assume passage of time or motion idk). at the end of the road we're all subject to ideology wether its heavens gate, catholicism, mormonism, capitalism, communism. he's stuck in semantics there is a purpose to differentiating religions and cults im an atheist too i think a great deal of catholic practices are much more reflective of a cult than a religion, but regardless its a significant and important distinction.
i think they’re the same thing. by definition a religion is a cult but just because it’s a cult doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing. there’s a stigma to that word that if you call something a cult it automatically means people gathering around in black robes and sacrificing babies to the dark lord. a cult just means a group of people who worship something/someone it doesn’t always have to be malicious.
I have a feeling you are a cult leader.
listening to people not consistently interrupting each other is so refreshing
T.H.A.N.K. Y.O.U. !!!!
This guy is amazing.
Joe was a tiny bit overwhelming right at first, but it was such a good interview.
@@harborwolf22 my thoughts exactly, joe had me cringing at first...he was super defensive right off the bat. great topic and interview.
Are you serious? Joe was constantly throwing the guy off track at every point he was trying to make
@@s0bad he does that constantly.
Bret: “So you’ve done some hallucinogens”
Joe: “Oh yeah”
im dead
Yeah I've done my share
as this was said i read this
takota w I love when that happens
I've used psychos maybe 10 times and never got anything coherent out of it. I'd rather be on speed and talk to people all night.
Ahhh Joe, born and raised Mormon, and I'm right there with you about all religions being cults. I looked up cult and it's a group of people with similar belief or behavior. Like the " Red Hat Ladies or the girl scouts". Mostly harmless, as Douglas Addams liked to say. I would like the reference for -Mormons get a planet- 70 years around the Mormon church and I've never heard that one anywhere except GoogleGossip. Along with a lot of equally funny ideas that other lifelong Mormons never heard of either. I love your podcast. Live long and keep the conversations growing.
Yep, grew up active LdS...we're a cult.
@@joshua.snyder I grew up lds as well. Yes it’s a cult, but I think it wears that label to an unfair degree compared to all the other crazy Christian sects.
I think the planet is more assumed because you can become like God. I'm sure a general authority or apostle mentioned it some time in history but that doesn't make it doctrine necessarily, although most members would see it that way. But it is annoying how he always says that. Mormons probably technically believe it but he makes it sound like they're preaching it every Sunday or something.
@@Horsethief666do you know that this person wasn’t preached that on a near constant basis? Genuine question. Not sure how sects of LDS work. (Also why did we have LDS commercials constantly as kids? I was born in the 1980s) anyone? Bueler?
Ok tell me where is the line drawn between a cult and an organization..where please tell me..I respect joes mind hes highly intelligent but hes off on this one...David coresh of the branch davidians in Waco was a cult , marshal aplewhite of heavens gate that was a cult .. Catholicism , and the girl scouts are not cults..faith and religion is a touchy subject for joe so I expect his statements on this .
as many others have noted, it is hard not to appreciate Rogan’s thoughtfulness and patience.
Weinstein was faaaaaar more patient than Joe
Joe’s kid’s first words: D-d-d-DMT is produced in the pineal gland
The fact that our children and even us where fed their whole lives fluoride ( which is a by product of making aluminum) that turns our pineal gland in our brain into scar tissue says something cuz it's also believed that our imagination and such stems from the pineal glad but we are fed shit all the time to kill it...
Jacob Stech this is wild
Jacob Stech whoaaa. that’s crazy and scary. 😳why can’t i read the rest of your comment though? :(
To kill it..... Is the rest of my comment lol
Epic I’m not, my phone wasn’t showing me the rest of the comment. Stop being rude.
This is a perfect example of 2 adults, having a discussion on something they have different views on, but are able to discuss them, be open minded, and actually listen to each other.
like ass or tits
It's pretty rare to see this in this "Cancel Culture" era.
It's kind of interesting, I have noticed I can have a very strong disagreement with another Republican / conservative / libertarian and we can very civilly articulate our arguments back and forth. On the other hand, trying to have a similar argument / discussion with a leftist is usually impossible. They will usually not argue facts and specific cases, but will argue only generalities and emotions. When they do use facts or figures it's very Cherry picked and misleading. A good example of this was yesterday a discussion on equal pay for women. The leftist kept arguing the statistics that annual salaries for women are less than men, but would totally ignore how this statistic does a not reflect the amount of hours of worked or the type of work being done. So the statistic they want to use compares annual pay for a part-time McDonald's worker with a 60 hour a week oilfield worker.
Really? Bc joe interrupted Brett 5 or so times In the first minute
I don't think Joe listened to a word Bret said
When I had DMT, i definitely wasn't in a familiar place or a place I'd been in any dreams prior to the experience and haven't seen anything close since having DMT.
It was probably the most astonishing or surprising thing I've ever experienced. I didn't know our brains had the capacity to create such experiences. I'm still debatable whether i created the illusions and conversations with these entities or whether some other force implanted them in my brain. There was definitely some type of element of leaving my physical body vulnerable, as i broke on to the other side, which would seem the only way of infiltrating my thought process.
I've done skydiving, Bungy jumping, scuba diving etc and this experience is right up there with the best of them. We fear what we don't know or understand...i was scared shitless, as i was in a place i didn't know or understand, despite preparing myself to be entering another realm and potentially visiting little people and having conversations with them, nothing can prepare you for this experience, because when it happens...i was like "no f@#ing way, i simply can't believe it"
I don't recommend asking what's this week's tatts lotto are going to be, didn't end well with me😢
Can you clarify what you mean in the last sentence? What didn’t end well? I love reading about ppls experience with DMT. Fascinating that we naturally produce this chemical, dubbed the “God molecule”-I mean? That’s no accident. I know the stories are so vulnerable, terrifying, but expansive: “arrive without traveling” ❤
@@Kate82261
I felt like they we're saying "here we are showing you the wonders of the universe, and your asking for lottery numbers?"
But I persisted, and then I received a big scare from something that hissed like a cat with huge fangs, as fast as it scared me, it disappeared, like a warning, and a quick lesson in the laws of random probability.
@@Kate82261
I was told prior to trying it that I might see little elves, so my brains like "okay cool, noted"
So whilst in this realm with what reminded me of the little Oompa Loompa's from Charlie and the chocolate factory, all wearing little white gloves and acting childish, I'm wondering where are these coming from? Me? Or something else?
@@Kate82261
The weirdest thing I felt was their jealousy, they were extremely jealous, and I think they were jealous of my curiosity, the fact that I didn't understand the whole universe.
I felt they couldn't feel "curious" like us. Almost as if they knew everything and nothing was surprising or new.
@@Kate82261
When the "trip/experience" was coming to an end, they waved hysterically saying "come back soon, don't forget about us, make sure you come and visit us again" all in a childish manner.
So I thought it was weird that they knew it was coming to an end my trip somewhere.
The opening bit for Joe here absolutely killed me 😂😂😂
He understands how to disagree and not be emotional about it
Yeah....unless he actually cares about it and it has something to do with him....then he’s VERY emotional and won’t listen and argues to death....just listen to the Steven Crowder podcast when Joe brought up weed....he wouldn’t listen to any point Steven had and resorted to raising his voice to the point of yelling over him and not listening, and started calling him a bitch and a pussy.
@@aj200415 ok
Daniel Ortega I’m just saying. I absolutely freaking love Joe and his podcasts, I listen to at LEAST one of his podcasts or a clip once a day, but this is the truth. When it comes to his weed, there are many many podcasts where as soon as his weed is brought up most if not all of his ability to listen or have a discussion goes out the window. He just seems to lock down and plug his ears and goes on his same spiel he does in every single podcast when it’s brought up. I’m just saying this is his one weakness in his podcasts. But I still love Joe and love his podcasts and discussions.
@@aj200415 ok
@@aj200415 yeah that's an unfortunate consequence, i wouldn't assume but it's very similar to the way an addict will defend their behaviour to the bitter end, i'm big into weed and i believe its a very positive drug, less dangerous than smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol, but it definitely has an addictive effect just like any behaviour, you can go through heavy withdrawal's which are not fun, so i think he feels attacked when people criticise weed because it's basically his "medication", it's also reflective of his passion for the topic, just like if i said your favourite movie or band sucks ass, you'd most likely jump straight to defending it with emotion because it has that emotional connection in your brain, obviously no one knows but Joe himself but he could do better to try and remain calm and centred.
Edit: Joe is also high as fuck in the Crowder interview so that would definitely affect his inhibitions.
Joe "I can connect literally anything to DMT" Rogan
You are not kidding..😂
He does but I'm assuming most people that make these jokes have never tried it.
@@tonyg490 why do you assume that? 🤷
I get that there is a veiled reference that many people probably don't even get, when you're using the word connection in reference to DMT..
@@amyrogers7047 I definitely can, but that just shows how many things can actually come back to it. That's why it's so natural
When Bret said he didn't know if Scientology was a cult, I almost bailed on the entire clip🤡
The only problem i have with any organized way of thinking is because it so easily slips into the realm of "I'm right, you're wrong and thats that." Society as whole would better if we were more willing to learn from those with opposing views
Is Religion a cult?
Joe: “Yes, and let me tell you about DMT”
He talks love everyone but I ain't seen a dime of that 100 mil..
“The only difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of real estate they own”- Frank Zappa
Frank Zappa was a great man. Legend! ❤️
Ty u
Ah, a fellow Zappa and Rogan fan
Frank Zappa was one of the greatest musicians/composers of all time. Even more so in music of the last century.
Catholics are winning then.
I have narcolepsy which I didn't develop which is most common but have had it my whole life. As a narcoleptic we fall straight into REM and may be in REM sleep for (unmedicated which I was until 24) anything between 16-20 odd hours a day. I find it so interesting what you are saying about the production of DMT in REM 🤯 With this new info in mind, it could explain the hypnogogic hallucinations that occurs daily ( unmedicated ) along with other strange sleep phenomenon which accompanies the condition.
He says religions that have stood the test of time must have had a significant meaning to people to do so...I imagine fear of being burnt or imprisoned for life for believing in anything else might have had something to do with it's staying power as well.
"Well if you wanna call catholicism a cult-" "it's a cult"
@Zayne simard moore i FOR SURE know its a cult i feel sorry fpr those trapped into worshipping satin
Catholicism is a perversion of Christianity. It was a way for the government at the time to gain control of people.
A true Christian can see the fallacies of the catholic religion. God/the bible has clear messages that never change. Under the catholic religion, it's whatever suits the powers that be. That's why people get divisive about the pope because some argue that he should stick to what the bible says, and others are ok with him changing the rules to appease the masses.
Under Christianity, the rules are the rules, set by God/Jesus, and there's no deviating from them. Under Catholicism, the pope can change them in order to keep people going to church (for revenue).
I've talked to priests whom purposely withhold information from their followers because they're afraid they'll stop going to church. Effectively giving them feel good-misinformation for the sake of continuing to get offerings from them. When for Christians, the truth is far more important than money/fame/status or even control.
Christianity is about self control and having fellowship with Christ/God for our salvation, where as Catholicism is about following the church with pseudo-Christian messages.
I used to be catholic until I read the bible and realized how far off Catholicism went from the original messages. Which is one of redemption and salvation rather than condemnation.
@@jackburton3212 your so correct altough i think its more nefarious than that. I believe the popes to be agent of evil and their cults to be synagogues of Satan.
One thing well agree on is their definetley NOT Christian. Christians believe in indiviuals connection the Christ. Catholics believe that the pope connects them and without his approval they cannot be saved. A literal quote from 2013 "you cannot have an individual connection to jesus christ, only i can forgive your sins" pope benedict xvi and he goes on to say more satanic and anti christian things.
according to his line of thinking, there is no religion, that They are all cults. I think biggest difference is that in Cults, they try to control your life, make you behave with negative reinforcement, try to manipulate you into buying into their bs. With religion it is usually texts that has stories that has parallels with life and they just resonate with your own experiences and the priests of those religions want to share you their story so you'd know more than you did yesterday, so you can articulate what you've been experiencing and make those choises consciously, but otherwise leave everything up to you. There is no hell, no punishment, nothing except things we all universally agree to obey. This ofc does not change the fact that human aspect of all belief systems is as stable as the humans that are in it. It does not mean religion itself is not real, or bs, its just their human representitives have failed them.
@cablecow15 there are those who are blind because they cannot see, and then there are those who are blind because they don't want to see. I'll pray for you as I was lost once too. 🙂
What I find most amazing about Joe Rogan is his constant interest and respect of the guest’s opinions even when he obviously does not agree at all. He stays calm and wants to hear more of an opposing opinion. His skills are probably under appreciated by most of the public.
Agree. The anti-oprah
Openmindedness is the key to learning.
Respect? Is that what you call his opening statements on Catholicism? Wtf interview were you listening to
@@ResidentRaccoon the good one where the interviewer is better than most in the world and not worried about some people’s sensitivities about a broken religion that to many sheep follow and support blindly.
@@ResidentRaccoon no fr I love joe but sometimes he doesn’t even let someone talk
See, this is why I like Joe. He can disagree with me and give good evidence on why he could be right and do it without insulting me.
And, at the same time, if I were to drop evidence on him to help prove my side of the debate, he takes it in without assuming I'm insulting him.
And considers my debating points and applies them going forward.
It's that last part that really sets him apart. He actually considers the debating points of the people that disagree with him and sometimes forms a new opinion based on things he's learned. And this causes me to respect his opinion whether I agree or not.
For that, I applaud you, Mr Joe Rogan. Keep doing what you do
Really interesting chat :) Remember that Moses, if he is in fact a historic figure - would have spent several years as "the Pharoah's son". Geting educated by the best of the best Egyption priests ( and a variety of artists / artisans etc). Not too far fetched to believe that he knew which bushes / barks / roots / cacti to chew for "inspiration".
I love how Joe is well informed about everything that produces DMT 😂
I swear Joe rogan knows everything about Dmt and chimps
I mean yea he will say a lot of things that dont make sense about drugs a lot tho like for example acacia bark doesnt have near enough DMT you would have to do an extraction with lye and shit
@@h3ck774 I love Joe but I thought that take was nuts
@@jerrypapadatos1210 yea its a spread rumor now Joe knows the basics about drugs but theres so much hes so misinformed about even with weed especially with mdma and novel psychs
Go watch DMT the spirt molecule. He was heavily involved in the film of the book.
Joe Rogan: I'm not that big into conspiracies.
Also Joe rogan: Moses was on DMT
So he was small into conspiracies.
Not really a conspiracy theory as much as it is conjecture
Not a conspiracy just a theory
@@BrushEm A game theory
Firstly, a conspiracy is a crime. A real crime you can be charged with. To call something a conspiracy is to call it real. The crime of conspiracy is when 2 or more people secretly plan/plot an illegal/harmful act. Moses was one person, therefore could not have been a conspiracy so it's just a theory/speculation/conjecture.
Never watched this before, just got a lot more respect for Joe. Was never part of his cult before 😅
“Air quotes God” is by far my favourite God
Brett's internal dialogue "can I get back to my point please".
Hahahahaha
he didnt have a point, he said cults are supernatural beliefs used to exploit people, yet doesnt acknowledge either scientology or catholicism are cults, yet they both are unproven supernatural beliefs, and are used to exploit people for resources
@@steampunk_cat5592 he did have a point though, he said that those institutions havent negativity impacted their massive amounts of followers so the word "cult" isnt a correct term.
I understand where you're coming from but I agree that cult isnt the right terminology.
Mitchell Mahurin that depends on what your goals are. Ofcourse if your book says what your doing is good, you’ll think your doing good. This is where joes question comes up again. “Is it for the good of the people who are apart of the plan or is it for the plan itself.” And no matter how much Christianity touts its humanity card so much, ultimately your nothing if you don’t put god above all else. As soon as you introduce god and the need to adore him you immediately become a cult. You can disagree, but why would you want to willingly be incorrect?
@@NELLYB the church donates millions and runs schools and hospitals
He said sitting on a gold throne dressed like a wizard lmaooo
My goodness you better be sitting on a gold throne you queen 😙
You're hot asf.
@@randybobandy5538 Shes insanely average, calm down
@@Stefantius people have different tastes. Calm down.
@@Stefantius Ya she is tho. These people. 🙄
When I did DMT I saw Ganesha staring at me behind palm leaves. I never even thought about Ganesha like that before this experience and it was crazy how this Energy manifested itself in my trip
The problem with biologists is that they think EVERYTHING works exactly like biology.
Joe “I received the same messages as Moses when I did DMT” Rogan
I think had Moses had a DMT experience on the mountain, then came down to find people worshipping a golden calf, he would not have reacted in anger. It would have just seemed to be a continuation of the DMT experience.
@@classicrocklover5615 Joe's explanation of Moses experience was the worst I've ever heard. I'd have to be really high to find it insightful or believable.
Lmao
Lmao
Joe " The Zohar" Rogan
Literally anyone: *exists*
Joe: *he probably was on dmt*
Watching this- because I'm tripping. And I can confirm that I'm experiencing something my conscience calls God and that moses may have as well as an explanation of him truthfully thinking the 10 commandments were from God.
@@archesworn377 so moses whas high af
@@aguspuig6615 That or lying about the source of his rules to make them more authoritative.
Could have been either, but there were traditions with psychedelics and them showing you God back then.
Either way, from the success of the religion, I'd say those rules created a fair bit of social stability, so the lying option could be viewed as a white lie.
@@archesworn377 okay that proves it he was high af
@@aguspuig6615 It proves a strong possibility. Can't know for sure.
I'm so glad I'm not vulnerable to psychosis cuz I ACCIDENTALLY tripped on DMT for my first time at Electric Forest 😂 But Ive researched every drug so I knew what it was soon as it hit me.
@@blub-tf6rt Have you done DMT? Acid is like weed compared to DMT 🤣 I could take a hit of acid and never even realize it. There is *NO* MISTAKING DMT, honestly it's probably weirder than having schizophrenia.
When defending what they like, people love to resource to fallacies like "oh, if it wasn't great it wouldn't have existed for so long" or "the dictionary definition of that word doesn't apply to what I like, because...reasons."
Congrats to Joe for not rolling his eyes, because the urge must've been unbearable.
Joe was acting the same way boy, constantly interrupting to add jabs
One of my problems with the JRE Clips is that half the time he has real competent people on, half the time he has wingnuts, and I never know which I'm getting until 7-8 minutes into the video.
Brian Mulholland that is the addicting part of his podcast, is like gambling
That’s the best part bruv
Oh my god, you have to actually watch and establish your own opinion rather than being told what to think by some arbitrary title and some even more arbitrary and dehumanising political labels. woah. What a shame!
javier del valle eddy bravo lmfao
Lol an interesting and realistic topic mixed in with a healthy dose of bs makes for good conversation
“The difference between a religion and a cult is what happens when you try and leave.” -Mike Rinder
And he was in a real cult for real. Scientology is a cult and needs it's tax free status revoked 💯
So, for instance, a religion that mandates the death penalty for apostates is actually a cult?
using fear to control people is how most religion operates.Thats why some love their Gods out of fear of being damned.Sometimes I question my beliefs especially when someone goes against
A religion is a cult who succeded
Jehovah’s Witness is a massive cult
Great conversation. Who's the guest?
The bigger mystery is if there's a difference between beliefs and manic delusions
“Chathlocism is not a cult”
Joe: That’s crazy man have you ever tried DMT?
Haha 😂
I thought you were making a joke... nope, that happened
itl be dead in 100 years laugh that up
@Boricua 787 its Catholicism. If you believe in the teachings then you are a Catholic. You took an L with your comment but who cares, we learn something new everyday.
You dont ask someone if they're a "Christianity". You ask if they're a Christian. Same with Catholicism. You ask if they're Catholic.
Joe "Moses was on DMT" Rogan
I mean, that makes way more sense to me than any other explanation lol.
He will say anything these days.
+Felix Kuhlin He was, either that or he didn't exist. Take your pick.
Not really, he's basically creating a myth over another myth, the bush just told moses to free Slaves on Egypt, not the 10 commandments...
But why is that less believable than what religion says happened? Lmao
I'm curious as to what is said at the start of the podcast 2 seconds in the video, sounds like it's played backwards
I agree 🧐
You just blew my mind joe 😮 if you had my genetics, my life, my body, everything my experiences etc you’ll be right where I’m at because we’re all the same and separation is an illusion…That makes sense! I think intuitively I knew that, but what a great way of explaining it.
the difference between a Cult and a Religion is what happens when you want to LEAVE.
so Islam is a cult then?
@@Fredrikbb It is and is a violent cult. One of the most brutal. I still don't understand why it is even legal.
And Christians believe that people who leave their religion will burn in hell. That may not be as harsh as killing someone like they do in Islam, but it is still a problem and makes Christianity look like a cult.
@@temporarymomentary I agree. But it is a free country. Also, the creator is dead. You have the right to beliefs. Just don't chop off heads. lol. It is legal to believe whatever you want. Just don't hurt people.
Cults use force, coercion, blackmail, etc. Religions allow you an exit ramp at any time.
Is there DMT in elk meat? Jamie, pull up DMT & elk meat.
😂😂
Amazing
First result is Joe Rogan & His Dog Eating Elk Meat on DMT
lmao
You made me waste a dab
Grew up as a suffering Catholic. Did nine long years in Catholic school boot camp.
Imagine if George Carlin was still alive & went on JRE.
Classic
And halfway through Eddie Bravo & Alex Jones show up.
Oh my god - that thought just broke my brain.
Or Chris Hitchens
I have a feeling he wouldn't let Joe talk and he'd just complain about modern life.
According to biblical scholars; Moses also went bow hunting, ate elk meat and did jiu-jitsu.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 comment from NZ!!
Does that make Brendan Schaub 'Aaron'? 😂😂😂
We’ll call him ‘Joeses’
It's the Joe Rogan cult doctorine and rule
Wairua Tapu Moses actually parted the Red Sea because Egypt was out of DMT.
And had a podcast
I'm only a minute in and I'm already lock step with Joes outlook on religion being a big cult. I hope he explains the biggest cults...culture.
Good on this guy for actively engaging in a tough conversation. Not saying he's right or wrong. That's a tough spot and he engaged...
Right?! I keep seeing people Crap on this guy but I think he was awesome. Didn't shy from talking about the hard shit.
It was only a hard conversation for one guy .. the one who was very inconsistent on his interpretation of facts and had to constantly figure out mid conversation why his logic did apply to one religion or cult but not another. That's why he had a hard time ! Joe was very clear and had facts to back up everything he said ready to go with no bullshit backtracking like the other guy
Yeah, he definitely took the short end of the debating stick.
Of course he's either right or wrong.. He's making a statement claiming that the religious institutions in place are there because they work, and only made it because they make society better, stronger, and less corrupt, including the need to keep itself from becoming corrupt. Anyone that has studied the history of the Catholic Church especially should be able to provide enough examples from a period of 19 centuries on why that is complete bullshit.
He also talks about priests passing down their genetics through their influence over their flock and how they effect the outcome of their lives, which doesn't make any sense. Genes aren't an intellectual concept, its a part of us physically, its why we have the characteristics we have like eye and hair color, and even if we are more susceptible to various diseases and are passed down from our parents, the reason why people often look like their parents.
The reason why Christianity is so widespread and ingrained, especially in the Western world is due to the fact that for around 1000 years or so, if you were a pagan and lived within marching distance of a Christian population large enough to put together an army there was a good chance you would be invaded, and if you didn't convert you would be executed in some of the most cruel, horrifying, and disgusting methods I've ever heard of, and I've studied war for years..
Claiming that there have been rules and structure put in place to stop corruption, to keep priests celibate, and prevent them from getting rich are just ignorant and how he claims they have been so insightful, otherwise other groups that think the same as they do without the mistake would gain influence.. He must not ever fact check his own thoughts, or do any research. There are thousands of denominations of Christianity now, Catholics and Protestants have been warring and killing each other up until just a few decades ago and now they have to put up walls to keep each other separate. Meanwhile there ARE Catholic priests that are married, priests in Africa are disgustingly corrupt and do great harm to their own flock while the Vatican seems that they couldn't care less, Bishops are living in million dollar apartments with their art alone worth tens of millions using the church bank to hide their wealth and they don't seem to do any good for society. When they do implement change, its often long after others have done so and they join the procession at the tail end and as Mark Twain pointed out, never forget to take credit for the change in the first place. They, like the Bible were pro-slavery, until most of the world had outlawed it, they were very anti-gay and responsible for the UK especially keeping homosexuality illegal until the 1950s, but of course now like to act as if they are tolerant, and that even gays are God's children.
I could probably fill a book just explaining how wrong this guy is when it comes to the Catholic Church, and several others with the other cults out there.
The definition, being "a group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister." easily meets the definition that most would probably agree with.
The main reason why the cult of Christianity survived till now is because its always been about power over belief, if they stuck to their beliefs and tried to preach and practice the religion as its supposed to be practiced as the Bible commands, and what was far closer to being actual Christianity until the enlightenment civilized it a bit there would either be far less Catholics, or the world would be a far more horrible place to live in. Society isn't doing good because of these institutions, they are thriving despite them.
That's why I love Bret Weinstein. He's not afraid to engage, and he doesn't back down when he believes something is wrong. Weinstein for President 2020!
“It’s just a cult w a billion people” 🤣😭
MY FAVORITE PART
That was awesome
“...with the guy who started it being dead.”
Joe has a point though.
Joe ...Isn't wanting everyone to do DMT the start of a cult/religion?. DMT isn't for everyone..Joe's church of DMT. I was raised in the Catholic Church people changed because they were terrified they were going to go burn in hell.
@@gaylewatkins6781 I think he’s specifically said it’s not for everyone and there’s some people that should stay away from drugs completely but some people that could benefit. He’s definitely made jokes. But.. that’s his job.
If I'm in physical pain during REM sleep, I have very vivid and scary dreams. Makes sense now that my mind is in a hallucinogenic state.
Does someone know where I can see the full Video? ")
Man, I wasn't ready for Moses to be on DMT, but Joe got there way quick
Cult is a small group of lunatics. Religion is a large group of lunatics.
MikefromQueens wrong but that’s fucking hilarious
lol
Alpha Centauri lmao
lol i laughed so hard.
+MikefromQueens Very true.
Joe can just keep it going. Love it
How can you not like Joe Rogan man😂
His guest: *finishes going off on yet another brilliant defense for his argument*
Joe: “Right. So let’s say you’re on a spaceship”
And in the ship they have a ton of DMT
Yeah you can literally see him lose interest in any coherent rebuttal, and rhen he just segways to another thought. Good observation
There was no brilliant defense of his argument. "It's old" doesn't address the question of whether it is a cult. Catholicism does meet the definition. And he makes multiple assertions backed by logical fallacies. Lastly Joe is still running a podcast and he will break tension or try to transition to another topic by saying silly shit.
@@metalscottsman a cult is a group of people less than a certain amount
@@azariasstarchild8380 that isn't the definition. You have the internet. You dont have to just say shit, you can look it up.
Joe's the type of guy who will interrupt a guest who's trying to answer a question he asked to talk extensively about DMT.
Exactly. It’s pretty much how vegans socialize. Did he even care what his opinion was or did he want to just pivot to talking about DMT?
@@justincarley I'm afraid that when Joe hears something that goes against his mindset, he turns the topic to DMT as a defense mechanism.
Stfu they had a nice convo you penis
@@hazypsyche6452 Dude, relax. It's just DMT.
@@teejt3737 a wild joe
I’ve learned more from Joe Rogans podcast then I did in 18 years of being in the public school system and one semester of community college
God bless you Joe Keep preaching the truth
The ironic part of this is that Joe Rogan could literally start an incredibly successful cult of his own
Fr
"Is Scientology a cult"
"I think its too early to tell"
Good save
Happy O'Lucky it is a cult wtf xD
Audrey Mota oh for sure, but the way he structured his argument, this was the correct response even though he does clarify that he finds Scientology troublesome
lol it doesn’t matter its a cult end of discussion
Audrey Mota wow you’re really great at arguing your point.
It's definitely a cult, 100% and it's also dangerous
The way Joe can retain information is fascinating.
Ava Kate people tend to retain information they have a passion for
Eddie very true, he’s just passionate about Everything! lol
It's even more impressive when you think about all the concussions he has probably had from mma.
@@prezzle208 all the concussions give him an advantage
This is why I like him. He doesn't admit it but he's a smart guy. If he a single passion for one thing and stuck to that only he couldve easily been a great researcher. I see him like. He knows a little about a bunch of things and kind of find ways to intertwine them.
My favorite joe rogan convo.
I don’t agree w many of Rogans views on certain social issues (trans community & gender identity etc) but god damn it does he do a Great Job as an interviewer.
He is wonderful at moving an interview in the right direction but also takes things to different places that open up new debates & topics.
Moreover lol, his range of people on his podcast are very eclectic, which I love.
I love how he's respectfully like "Im gonna challenge you on that".
@CALEB EPPLEY Yes, I was getting annoyed at that. Wished he would just shut up an let hom finnish a sentence. I would have been getting frustrated if I was him but to his credit he just went with the flow
I love how Joe had patience to be with a nut
@CHARLIEBOY SALDIVAR XIII Patients are what hospitals have. This guy displayed patience
What episode is this?
Joe-“Is Scientology a cult?”
“Too early to tell”
Joe- *laughs*
I agree 😂
watch leah remini documentary bro its crazy and all from former members. Not just stories, they have EVIDENCE fr
Well technically the person who made it up has died...so according to his joke its crossed over to religion..
Lol
and why did Reagan legalize Scientology...I can't start my own religion and neither can you.
yeah thats a good post.
I'm so happy Joe exists so we can talk about these things civilly.
You can leave a religion pretty easy. Not a cult though
@@loginyoass3771 not all cults are bad like that
Any cult that you could leave, can be left quite easily as well.
It's in the eye of the beholder at that point, or on to the sole purpose, of what the individual really needs to do.
I don't think calling other peoples worldviews bullshit and dumb is very civil but okay
@@blindi6326 Telling someone that they're going to burn in hell for their sins, when they don't believe in hell, isn't civil either
Less than 2 mins in this clip we got a DMT mention 😂😂😂
Every time a previously watched video is "algorithmed" back onto my channel, I feel like I'm stuck in a time loop!
Me: “My house burned down, I lost everything”
Joe: “Your house was DMT being smoked by Moses”
Hahahahahaha i am too high for this man haha
Funny, but so stupid and he calls Catholics all wrong
@@memory199726 same bro haha
😂😂😂😂😂
@@rocksparadox ?... Are you high?
when joe asked brett if scientology is a cult, brett's face said 'are you trying to get me sued'
This whole talk made me feel very uncomfortable but somehow that feels like a good thing? Very interesting topic, I like this guy I’m going to look into more of his stuff.
So I’m not the only one who trips in their falling asleep stage
"this is rough territory"
"For you"
😂🤣😂🤣😂😹😂🤣😂🤣
Facts 💯 this is only tough for one of us 😂
@@ActionJackson669 Joe, could have said that and may as well have followed with "it ain't me!"
They still want to justify their voodoo and zombie cults
“No one cared who I was until I put on the mask”
It's only rough if you're trying to come to some type of logical peaceful understanding. It's easy if you don't give a fuck about logic truth and understanding then you can just throw out labels and hateful rhetoric at anyone who disagrees with you.
I love how the guy said church doesn't use confession as a weapon to control people, then proceeds to give an example of the church controlling its people with fear through confession 😂
Important discussion. Well done.
My girlfriend who is very religious always tries to talk to me about religion. And I as an agnostic, believe that religion in an individualistic sense is extremely powerful and in most cases positive, but in a collective sense it is very dangerous. When a person is able to grieve with the thought that their loved one will ascend to heaven and their soul continues to live on is an extremely powerful and positive belief, but when her congregation becomes a popularity contest and every little thing anyone in the congregation does gets talked about (mostly in a negative sense) and possibly get ostracized by your so called family because of how tight knit they are. Even though they're not suppose to be judgemental they can be the most judgemental and cruel people I know. I know this isn't always the case but it is what I have viewed.
Yeah a lot of religious people say “though shall not judge” but judge everyone
@@jadenswitalski all the time. Pretty hypocritical people. I mean I judge people, I try not to but at least I'm not vowing an oath and then breaking that oath like it's my job
You're all wrong!!! I've experienced enlightenment multiple times in my life. Agnostic is also a cult so do not be misguided in the logic that because the belief set in the worship on sience is void of a magic god or alien lifeform. It functions exactly as the so called cult does, you must except the belief set or Darwin and other theoretical insights including the big bang theory. So always remember and remain open minded to the concept that DMT slowly trying to guide us along. The methods do change and all cognitive mind's are not wired the same, some people need a structure based way of life, other's thrive on structuring the lives of others. As long as the ladder man in the last sentence is providing a DMT based interpretation that benefits the person adhering to the structure it's ok. It's true that the ladder can be occupied by an unwholesome person who exploit, manipulate and so on. It's difficult to convince people to believe they are involved in something proven to be a lie when every night you lay down, you have the ability to be subjected to DMT brain activity wether it be mild in nature or non eventful hense easily disregarded or extremely potent either pleasant or in the form of an intense nightmare. When you're subjected to that brain function from birth it's difficult to know what waking interpretation of this existence really is. We are all just hallucinating together during the day trying to make sense of biological life and resource management, yet at night we all drift into a singular realm of DMT and experience vividly mind bending perceptions that no other human had other then you. We should be vary carful with common sense and alter all belief set's over time to adopt what sience has shown us. Yet like I say my fellow human friends, sience is a cult, wether good or bad we all need to agree no belief set is void of insanity. It's a core function of are brain.
@@beastclips4642 bro I can assure you I'm not associated with a cult. I came to terms of my agnostic beliefs on my own. I get what your saying, and im not saying you're wrong. I'm also saying no one who believes in God is wrong. I truly do not know what lies beyond this world and that's fine. I'm not really talking about anything you brought up. All I'm saying is I respect religion when it allows people to grieve when a loved one dies with the thought they aren't fully gone since they go to an afterlife, or when times get hard and they ask God for guidance and believe guidance will come. But when religion is in a collective sense I have problems with it. That's all I'm really saying. I'm not putting down any one religion, I'm not saying me being agnostic is right, I don't know what is right, and nobody else does either, all we have is beliefs, and I believe if I don't know for sure then I can't act as if a God exists. That's it.
Exactly. Judging people will always be apart of our nature but I feel as if it's worse in the church
Q: What's the Difference Between a Cult and a Religion?
A : Tax exemption.
The amount of people who have sacrificed individuality.
*likes.. ASSEMBLE*
@dumble dor three letters.
I've been involved in a number of cults, both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader. -Creed Bratton
Golden answer of the day
26:22 his nodding is so fkn cute idk why 😭🤣
Moses tripping on DMT is a new idea for me! Joe is educational! 🤣
Long story short: a religion is a successful cult.
Philippe Gauthier what might be close to a good conclusion?
Philippe Gauthier dog the dude literally says a religion is a successful cult
I was looking at the biblical time line and yo the blood line makes since all the way up to moses, like a huge gap is missing! then moses claims to know god comes down with this book and laws ???
and moses just seems to be this guy who leads the hebrews who didnt have a leader, and they wonder around a dessert learning laws like 600+ for 40 years ?????
But what makes me scratch my head again is, if you just got freedom from being controlled and enslaved by a nation that now is chasing you into a dessert, why in the excuse my language fuck would you go right next door ???
Israel is right next to egypt!
if you input in the map egypt to Israel takes 9 days to walk there and moses was educated by a pharaohs standards ? So he had to of known the area come on.
Now smaller the scale if you are entrapped and in a fight with someone and that someone starts chasing you and trys to kill you would you go a few houses down? Nah
I would high tailed my ass to alaska i mean go look on the map
And keep in mind they had "god" splitting seas and shit so they could of went anywhere
Moses seems like a military fraud who first deceived these innocent messiah waiting hebrews took advantage of a nation that is lost
@Warmage Two Crows this would make a lot of since actually i like your theory
(cult) x (time) = religion
Joe Rogan is trying to start a DMT cult
Psykonaut I’ll join
DMT religion, Id say
Am I in? 😉
I'm in.
Yeah
I 100% agree with you Joe. Same experience in Catholic Church.
This dude absolutely nailed how I feel about religion!
"This is rough territory"
Joe: "For you"
Vincent Serafini he is highly open minded and thoughtful about the topic where as joe is not. Joes mind is made up so it’s black and white for him. The other man is looking to fully understand these systems and sees many colors.
@@brandonguthrie8122 Thats because Weinstein is a wishy washy little bitch that is always afraid of offending anyone. He's been that way since Evergreen. He went with that whole mentality there until it finally impacted him directly and he was threatened. Then he decided he didn't want to go along anymore. The guy is 100% a weasel.
It's not that Weinstein is wishy washy, he's an academic, Joe is a comedian. Joe can say whatever he wants with hardly any backlash, in this case, since he was raised Catholic, he can get away with it entirely. Weinstein can't.
"You're a big guy"
Brandon Guthrie Joe is still learning. Hopefully he grows from this instead of putting it in the box 📦.
Literally no one:
Joe: Now let me tell you about this little thing called DMT
What degrees has he earned? What professional research, blind studies, neutral sided essay was submitted to earn a doctorate? Did Joe Rogan have a thesis that was published? If the established medical journals are wrong what did he write that disproves them?
@@1984Brandon r/iamverysmart
@@HI-ej2xz Oh Reddit?! ...My apologies they'd never have trolls spreading false information in there.
doesn't that tell you how profound an experience it must be?
@@1984Brandon why does he need a degree to tell people how DMT changed his life? he's never claimed he was any kind of professional. i'm not sure why you need to be a doctor or a published author to tell people your life experiences, or why you can't learn something valuable from them as a watcher/listener.
100 years of persecution…when a cult survives 100 years of criticism and persecution it officially becomes recognized.
CULT + TIME = RELIGION
I was able to experience discussions like this with a coworker a long time ago. He was from Canada. We shared an office space and periodically we would have political discussions. We would always present the devil's advocate to each other on different stories. We were always able to present our points of view in a mature way, and at the end of the discussion we would agree to disagree in a friendly manner, and that was always the end of that particular topic. We never once got in a heated argument, and always recognized each others point of view in a mature way.
That's the way life should be!!! Good 👍 for you guys for being intelligent and patient and tolerable people.
I had to do that with a very close friend in college who I met on day 1 & became fast friends… a year & a half goes by when I learn his political beliefs which I genuinely believed was a joke, esp given his sense of humor, but no he was serious. At first I was flustered acting on impulse, and it didn’t go well. This bothered me, I actually felt guilty & I broached the topic later on at a different angle, mature, respectful, open minded, researched, and conversing to let a person finish listening to what they really said, to drastically different result. That’s when I learned how to agree to disagree because I had a personally vested interest.
U were both thoguhtfull subs fraise astrolguy .....
@@esk8er900 That's great. What I learned was that we both came from different backgrounds, and upbringing so we could definitely have different views. It was very interesting for sure.
wheres that coworker now?