Have you been doing any 3D scanning? How have your results come out so far? - Taz. 🏎 Building a fast car? Get $400 OFF the all-inclusive VIP online course package deal: hpcdmy.co/vipy142 💻 Learn to design custom parts for your dream car. 3D Modelling & CAD course. Now 50% OFF: hpcdmy.co/offery142
Bought one over the holiday sales. 1st scans incoming... Hopefully results are better than the ones I got with Xbox Kinect and nearing on 10 year-old software 😂
Got one (RevoPoint Inspire) a couple of weeks ago to scan some trim parts I need to modify and 3D print. The scanning software and producing a decent scan I got the hang of pretty quickly. It's the 3D cad stage that has more of a learning curve than I would like. Probably because the workflow is alien to me compared to the CNC package I normally use but that can't handle full 3D.
@@starfox_wr-45e93 exciting! That Kinect setup has been the gateway for many people which I think was also a really cool/clever repurposing. Things are certainly steaming ahead, but people don't need to lastest and greatest to just get started either by any means. Happy scanning with your new tool dude! I hope you (ideally) enjoy getting some better results in less time - Taz.
@@adematthewsracing we do to produce some course content on this topic for you guys in 2024. Might be a bit late for you personally as you will probably be up to speed by the time we get it out, but you are not wrong, there is a bit to learn beyond just getting a quality scan however a quality scan does make that side of things easier as well - Taz.
True, and you can manually copy those drafts into a basic 2D CAD program and not only will you have them to refer back to, but you can easily make any changes you need to, and then print them out as a pattern.
3D scanning is easy, processing the scan data is the hard part that takes skill and time. It's rarely as easy as the demos make it out to be. Especially if you are scanning complicated mechanical objects. Structured light scanners are good for flow-ey more simple shapes. like car bodies, fenders, gas tanks ect. They don't pick up on complicated tight geometry or edges very well. Laser scanners are much better at mechanical scanning for reverse engineering due to their much higher practical accuracy and ability to pickup fine details. Think, engine block and details, an engine bay, transmission, suspension, ect. The software that you are using to post process the STL data is the bigger deal and determines how useful the scan is. You can infer intent and make up for a bad scan with work on the back end in the software.
"Affordable 3D scanning" -> price point of the scanner alone is ~8.000$. There are other already proven 3D scanners at the around 1000$ price point that also get the job done. So no clue how 8k is in any way affordable
You can easily spend 100k on a scanner. It's all relative. You can also purchase things secondhand and nab yourself a solid deal if your shop/home workshop isn't in a position where 8k is justifiable, which is what we have done for our workshop scanner 😉 You can also just use your iPhone as discussed here, at the hobbyist level you can still do a lot with scans from basic tools like that and there are other cheaper options which are not the same, but they're still scanners - Taz.
lmao 8k is gonna be paid in like 5 or 6 jobs taken on with this thing... even a whole year this thing will definitely profit. problem is the software and engineering getting deciphered by a skilled individual. "hey i want a custom timing chain cover with an adaptor for a front-mount supercharger, can you make it work?" or something similarly obtuse. you could waste a lot of time with either the 100k piece or the 8k piece.
@imakedookie that's just the nature of business too though when it comes to identifying what jobs are profitable and what jobs are not within the services you want to or are able to provide. It is a constant struggle even for those who have been in business for years, along with the dark art that is accurate quoting 😅 - Taz.
True, to a point - for many a 'phone ap' will do the job, for others a cheap stand-alone, for others a more expensive handheld will be the best option, for others a dedicated booth with pantogram mounted, muliple frequency scanner heads will be required. The trick is to accurately assess one's needs, and purchase accordingly. The other option is to pay to have a scan done, and this may be a better, cheaper option for many.
@@hpa101 accurate quoting takes somebody that has seen all the different shades of an industry and has been nearly jaded to the point of leaving to produce results; the ability is worth its weight in gold so to speak. mostly found in those withing a decade of retirement, or the rare job-hopper that turns to consulting as a bread-and-butter, most industries churn skilled workers into slaves if they stay. sadness ensues
This technology is very interesting. I can't say I understand the hardware part of it, but the software methodology is becoming mature due to its commercial usage and value.
Ive done a few projects with my 300$ Creality Lizard, it actually works well for reasonably sized parts. But however, doing reverse engineering and actually making real cad files is very time consuming, and the where most of the work is. Making references for new designs is easier.
Any 3D scanner need a good software. Without good software, no matter how powerful the scanner is, the results will be poor. But the technology is just at the beginning and, over time, it will improve more and more.
Actually, you can go to dodge ford and GM to ask for their models. But you have to be a legitimate business. Some offer more than others, hearing the Chrysler and sub-brands don’t offer too much up.
100k for the one Zac is borrowing here for some perspective: www.hpacademy.com/blog/sensor-solutions-and-3d-scanning-650hp-sr20vet-swap-sr86-ep-4-build/
Have you been doing any 3D scanning? How have your results come out so far? - Taz.
🏎 Building a fast car? Get $400 OFF the all-inclusive VIP online course package deal: hpcdmy.co/vipy142
💻 Learn to design custom parts for your dream car. 3D Modelling & CAD course. Now 50% OFF: hpcdmy.co/offery142
Bought one over the holiday sales.
1st scans incoming...
Hopefully results are better than the ones I got with Xbox Kinect and nearing on 10 year-old software 😂
Got one (RevoPoint Inspire) a couple of weeks ago to scan some trim parts I need to modify and 3D print. The scanning software and producing a decent scan I got the hang of pretty quickly. It's the 3D cad stage that has more of a learning curve than I would like. Probably because the workflow is alien to me compared to the CNC package I normally use but that can't handle full 3D.
@@starfox_wr-45e93 exciting! That Kinect setup has been the gateway for many people which I think was also a really cool/clever repurposing. Things are certainly steaming ahead, but people don't need to lastest and greatest to just get started either by any means.
Happy scanning with your new tool dude! I hope you (ideally) enjoy getting some better results in less time - Taz.
@@adematthewsracing we do to produce some course content on this topic for you guys in 2024. Might be a bit late for you personally as you will probably be up to speed by the time we get it out, but you are not wrong, there is a bit to learn beyond just getting a quality scan however a quality scan does make that side of things easier as well - Taz.
nope, but I hope ppl will upload or sell stock car blueprints online in the future :)
cardboard aided design for the win!
Still has its place for some and always will! At least for a hobbyist 😎 - Taz.
True, and you can manually copy those drafts into a basic 2D CAD program and not only will you have them to refer back to, but you can easily make any changes you need to, and then print them out as a pattern.
3D scanning is easy, processing the scan data is the hard part that takes skill and time.
It's rarely as easy as the demos make it out to be. Especially if you are scanning complicated mechanical objects. Structured light scanners are good for flow-ey more simple shapes. like car bodies, fenders, gas tanks ect. They don't pick up on complicated tight geometry or edges very well. Laser scanners are much better at mechanical scanning for reverse engineering due to their much higher practical accuracy and ability to pickup fine details. Think, engine block and details, an engine bay, transmission, suspension, ect.
The software that you are using to post process the STL data is the bigger deal and determines how useful the scan is. You can infer intent and make up for a bad scan with work on the back end in the software.
Every shop is gonna own a 3d scanner in the near future.
"Affordable 3D scanning" -> price point of the scanner alone is ~8.000$. There are other already proven 3D scanners at the around 1000$ price point that also get the job done. So no clue how 8k is in any way affordable
You can easily spend 100k on a scanner. It's all relative. You can also purchase things secondhand and nab yourself a solid deal if your shop/home workshop isn't in a position where 8k is justifiable, which is what we have done for our workshop scanner 😉
You can also just use your iPhone as discussed here, at the hobbyist level you can still do a lot with scans from basic tools like that and there are other cheaper options which are not the same, but they're still scanners - Taz.
lmao 8k is gonna be paid in like 5 or 6 jobs taken on with this thing... even a whole year this thing will definitely profit. problem is the software and engineering getting deciphered by a skilled individual. "hey i want a custom timing chain cover with an adaptor for a front-mount supercharger, can you make it work?" or something similarly obtuse. you could waste a lot of time with either the 100k piece or the 8k piece.
@imakedookie that's just the nature of business too though when it comes to identifying what jobs are profitable and what jobs are not within the services you want to or are able to provide.
It is a constant struggle even for those who have been in business for years, along with the dark art that is accurate quoting 😅 - Taz.
True, to a point - for many a 'phone ap' will do the job, for others a cheap stand-alone, for others a more expensive handheld will be the best option, for others a dedicated booth with pantogram mounted, muliple frequency scanner heads will be required.
The trick is to accurately assess one's needs, and purchase accordingly. The other option is to pay to have a scan done, and this may be a better, cheaper option for many.
@@hpa101 accurate quoting takes somebody that has seen all the different shades of an industry and has been nearly jaded to the point of leaving to produce results; the ability is worth its weight in gold so to speak. mostly found in those withing a decade of retirement, or the rare job-hopper that turns to consulting as a bread-and-butter, most industries churn skilled workers into slaves if they stay. sadness ensues
This technology is very interesting. I can't say I understand the hardware part of it, but the software methodology is becoming mature due to its commercial usage and value.
Ive done a few projects with my 300$ Creality Lizard, it actually works well for reasonably sized parts. But however, doing reverse engineering and actually making real cad files is very time consuming, and the where most of the work is. Making references for new designs is easier.
Any 3D scanner need a good software. Without good software, no matter how powerful the scanner is, the results will be poor. But the technology is just at the beginning and, over time, it will improve more and more.
Actually, you can go to dodge ford and GM to ask for their models. But you have to be a legitimate business. Some offer more than others, hearing the Chrysler and sub-brands don’t offer too much up.
They could start a rental business by installing systems in 1000 local workshops.
Or a 3rd party could and offer CAD services off the back of that 😎 - Taz.
$8300
Cost
$12,000 FOR A SCANNER LOL
100k for the one Zac is borrowing here for some perspective: www.hpacademy.com/blog/sensor-solutions-and-3d-scanning-650hp-sr20vet-swap-sr86-ep-4-build/
I swear they all speak exactly the same