Suzdal Camp 160: The fate of the German officers captured at Stalingrad

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  • Опубликовано: 3 апр 2020
  • After their capture at Stalingrad, the German generals and the other officers were taken to the Euphemius Monastery, in the ancient city of Suzdal.
    There was Prisoner of War Camp 160.
    Alexander Blank, a young interpreter in the camp, who later became a famous historian, wrote notes as he worked there in 1943. Forty years later he released these very interesting documents: they are pure gold for history buffs.
    Stalingrad Battle Data has translated the most interesting excerpts as a basis for this unique video.

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  • @gaborkorthy8355
    @gaborkorthy8355 4 года назад +1044

    I suspect their stay in the USSR was far more comfortable than my father’s a Hungarian conscript. He surrendered to the Red army and was a POW in USSR from 1945-1948. He walked back to Hungary when he was released arrived weighing 90lbs (41kg) unrecognizable to his parents. Spent six months recovering in a hospital. But he survived !

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +48

      Thanks for sharing!

    • @jamestheotherone742
      @jamestheotherone742 4 года назад +10

      You haven't heard the rest of the story yet.

    • @seanelgie
      @seanelgie 4 года назад +61

      “Walked back to Hungary” man that’s so strange to think about. No one would even think that’s an option today.

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +65

      No abusive language please

    • @dwightstjohn6927
      @dwightstjohn6927 4 года назад +37

      @@seanelgie Im in an Austrian/Swiss area in Canada Lots of stories of uncles walking back to their home country and being one of the 15% that survived. and on into the fifties walking out of Yugoslavia to the displaced persons camp as a kid with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

  • @aricvick2073
    @aricvick2073 2 года назад +87

    My father would speak (Very briefly might I add) about when they liberated a German ran camp full of Russian POWs. He said it was like walking skeletons that marched into town single file line, not speaking. He said if one fell, the others would walk over them without batting an eye. I can’t imagine being in that broken of a mindset. My father said when they arrived in town they went into a bakery asking for bread to feed the prisoners, the owners refused. They quickly changed their minds with a gun pointed at them. They basically ended up holding the townspeople at gun point forcing them to feed and cloth the prisoners that they had ignored were in their back yard for so long.

    • @mirquellasantos2716
      @mirquellasantos2716 Год назад

      Germans back then were beasts. They were evil to the core.

    • @mariacuachon3906
      @mariacuachon3906 10 месяцев назад +2

      Am speechless, the aftermath of Stalingrad is staggering. I pray humanity never has to make such sacrifices ever 😢

    • @burnheretic3950
      @burnheretic3950 10 месяцев назад +10

      To play devils advocate, I think it is easy to forget that there were other factors that played a part in the poor condition of many in captivity at this point. The allies had cut off supplies for months to many locations causing starvation to be rampant in the camps along with diseases. Many local inhabitants starved as well and soldiers were often times not far behind. The allies also were able to cut off some vital water supplies to given locations at wars end. It comes across as a bit of a coping mechanism to look at captives in that condition and not take any consideration for the train of supplies in food that you derailed two weeks ago that was headed to this specific location. After the fire bombing of Luxembourg there were many accounts of RAF pilots relaying their feelings of shame. If you are not familiar with the fire bombing, there is a audio book called Hellsturm or something that paints a vivid picture of the horrors.

    • @mirquellasantos2716
      @mirquellasantos2716 10 месяцев назад

      @@burnheretic3950 Yeah, keep making excuses for the Germans. They starved civilians in Leningrad. When the soviets tried to sneak food thru the snowy rivers, they sank the cargoes. They didn't want the civilians to eat and millions of civilians died of hunger. They intentionally starved Soviet POW's and laughed when the soldiers were in pain cause depriving the body of food is is pretty painful. Why? Germans back then were evil, super evil.

    • @dianeshelton9592
      @dianeshelton9592 9 месяцев назад

      They probably killed them with bread. Best of intentions I know but refeeding the starving is very complex , bread will swell the empty stomach and block it . Peanut butter, oils and soups are what’s needed. Have you seen the state of current Ukrainian POW from Russian prisons, they are walking skeleton.

  • @will5107
    @will5107 3 года назад +34

    TIK recommended this site.
    Excellent use of archival material. Excellent channel.
    You have a new subscriber.

  • @mikesnyder1788
    @mikesnyder1788 3 года назад +37

    This is one of the most interesting and eye-opening historical programs I have ever encountered. Thank you for proving us with such detailed and vivid content. Damn, I love history!

  • @musicusaddictus
    @musicusaddictus 4 года назад +240

    I have read numerous books about the eastern front but never heard of Suzdal Camp. Very solid documentary thank you.

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +16

      Thanks for your interest.

    • @fookinspork5538
      @fookinspork5538 3 года назад +4

      @@charlesbarnard4667 sounds like the gulag archipelago..first book is a interesting read...second one will make ya have nightmares

    • @fookinspork5538
      @fookinspork5538 3 года назад +3

      @Charles McCarron I'll keep a eye out for it,Alexander is a great author

    • @fookinspork5538
      @fookinspork5538 3 года назад +1

      @Charles McCarron Prussian Nights seems like itd be another good one...some day ill have all his work

    • @JVoogt-nj1wr
      @JVoogt-nj1wr 3 года назад +1

      Charles De Carpas nn77777

  • @kevinmalone3210
    @kevinmalone3210 3 года назад +31

    I saw in a documentary that out of 90,0000 German soldiers who surrendered after the battle of Stalingrad, and later imprisoned, only 5000 were able to return home.

    • @beknajmi6029
      @beknajmi6029 3 года назад +5

      They starved before surrendering.

    • @ceu160193
      @ceu160193 3 года назад +7

      @@beknajmi6029 Bigger problem was disease - Germans were weakened by hunger, so even your regular cold(let alone plague or typhoid) could easily be fatal. Siberian work camps also didn't improve their health, though to be fair, guards in those camps ate only slightly better, than prisoners.

    • @argha-qi5hf
      @argha-qi5hf 3 года назад +6

      Not more vile than those nazi insects.

    • @fastyaveit
      @fastyaveit 3 года назад +5

      That is very true, but it wasn't to do with soviet mismanagement of the prisoners; most died during the first three weeks of captivity: due to the condition they surrendered in, most of the prisoners had very little to eat for months, I think Stalin was alarmed at the death rates, so things improved slightly.

    • @ceu160193
      @ceu160193 3 года назад +2

      @@fastyaveit It wasn't food, but disease - many soldiers suffered from typhoid and regular cold, which in crowded conditions of POW barracks spread like fire, and their weakened state made both hard to cure. Eventually typhoid outbreak was put under control by Soviets, but casualties from it were big.

  • @MrNeelpandit
    @MrNeelpandit 3 года назад +18

    You guys have such high quality and well made content about ww2 that is some of the best I’ve seen on RUclips. Thank you for making it

  • @soviettankmen
    @soviettankmen 4 года назад +44

    I think this is one of the best video on your channel, the conversation between the german generals, and how Paulus's words about the comparisons of German and Soviet ideology at that time, and how his words were differed while he was just in captivity, and commentary from the Alexander Blank make this video great. And i have conclusion that Axis-Soviet front was really complex.

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +8

      Thanks. And the project is not finished, there's material for another video, with more of Blank's work yet.

    • @user-bo8eq7ki5w
      @user-bo8eq7ki5w 3 года назад

      @ Calm down ! He is not a traitor, he is a witness to the crimes of the Nazis. And bandits don't like witnesses ! It's simple. Without loud words about "betrayal", "duty" and other nonsense !

    • @wokejoke2675
      @wokejoke2675 Год назад +1

      @иван епифан if his army had not been surrounded and destroyed at Stalingrad, he would have continued destroying Russia.

  • @tylerbrass4002
    @tylerbrass4002 3 года назад +13

    I was also recommended your channel by TIK, this is great content, really helps you get into the real, human mind these men, who were so historically relevant, and who can seem so larger than life in some portrayals, really great stuff. Im subscribing.

  • @keithehredt753
    @keithehredt753 4 года назад +11

    Thanks Anton, great videos put out by you and TIK said his battlestorm stalingrad video is ready for monday. GREAT JOB BROTHER

  • @BriansRCStuff
    @BriansRCStuff 2 года назад +2

    Thank you so much for putting together this series! I always wondered about this but never could find a good RUclips video until now. Awesome work!!!

  • @johnconley3218
    @johnconley3218 4 года назад +178

    I never knew of this. We live and learn. My old man was captured and was a p.o.w held in Austria....bad and cruel times but the way the Japanese treated the allies was beyond belief......R.I.P all soldiers

    • @angiemn3
      @angiemn3 3 года назад +14

      It's crazy to think that as bad as the Japanese where only about 25 % of Americans died in captivity. Compare that to Soviets in German camps was somewhere between 50- 66% death rate. We can speculate that even higher percentage of Germans died in Soviet camps.

    • @sicksideworldwide1599
      @sicksideworldwide1599 3 года назад +13

      @@angiemn3 Prisoners were routinely beaten, starved and abused and forced to work in mines and war-related factories in clear violation of the Geneva Conventions. Of the 27,000 Americans taken prisoner by the Japanese, a shocking 40 percent died in captivity, according to the U.S. Congressional Research Service.

    • @sicksideworldwide1599
      @sicksideworldwide1599 3 года назад +1

      @Ms Bliss sadistic gold diggers 😠

    • @sicksideworldwide1599
      @sicksideworldwide1599 3 года назад +5

      @Ahri Ayumei unit 731 is all I have to reply

    • @Johnnyhobo96
      @Johnnyhobo96 3 года назад +2

      @Ahri Ayumei awh yes....I will play my unit 731 card now.

  • @ecuadorexpat8558
    @ecuadorexpat8558 3 года назад +94

    My Father fought in Stalingrad..His brother in Law was captured by the Russians and never seen again ..Horrible times

    • @ybet1000
      @ybet1000 3 года назад +15

      @Sir Tristan What a horrible and stupid thing to say... Grow the f up

    • @MotionMcAnixx
      @MotionMcAnixx 3 года назад +7

      @Sir Tristan you're an idiot. Accept it.

    • @FromaTwistedMind
      @FromaTwistedMind 3 года назад +5

      Thank ya blessings ya Father wasnt British, Scot or Anzac in Singapore who was forced to work the Burma railway.

    • @MotionMcAnixx
      @MotionMcAnixx 3 года назад

      @Sir Tristan what a shame that when you got your knighthood that the sword didn't remove your brain fart machine. But then again you probably wouldn't have noticed anyway. You do seem like a "paid from the neck down kinda person."

    • @MotionMcAnixx
      @MotionMcAnixx 3 года назад

      @Sir Tristan hush child. It's time to leave your sand pit- your mum and dad and brother and sister are calling you.

  • @phil32162
    @phil32162 4 года назад +42

    In 1962 as a high school senior I worked for a German Carpenter as I go to know him he was a former Sergeant in the Germany Army he was captured in 1943 and was released in 1956 from a POW Camp in Siberia.

  • @FFEMTB08
    @FFEMTB08 3 года назад +14

    This is the stuff that needs to be taught in school. Very awesome.

  • @user-di4bt7qu2i
    @user-di4bt7qu2i 4 года назад +4

    Absolutely fascinating. Thanks for posting this video.

  • @joedoe783
    @joedoe783 3 года назад +118

    I'm here because TIK recommended you.

    • @benmartin9677
      @benmartin9677 2 года назад +1

      This

    • @Justin-ShalaJC
      @Justin-ShalaJC 2 года назад +2

      Same

    • @SNP-1999
      @SNP-1999 2 года назад +2

      Same here, should be interesting because many of these officers were indoctrinated to turn 180° from national socialism (not that all had been Nazis anyway, rather having been more like national conservatives) to communism, later being released into the Soviet Occupied Zone to build up the forces of the later German Democratic Republic, or East Germany as it was better known in the West. Paulus himself didn't subscribe to this indoctrination, in spite of being pressurized by both German communists and the Soviets, and after repatriation to East Germany in 1953, lived a withdrawn life under the close scruriny of both Russian and East German secret police.

    • @bookaufman9643
      @bookaufman9643 2 года назад

      @@SNP-1999 keep watching this series. There's a lot more to it than that. Paulus but a very nuanced life from his capture and until his last days

    • @natethegreat1999
      @natethegreat1999 2 года назад

      @@SNP-1999 not 180 considering the political spectrum is circular not linear. The far left and far right are not as far as you think

  • @keithsymington6068
    @keithsymington6068 3 года назад +39

    Be good to have an episode of what happened to the 85,000 other soldiers - non-officers - who were never seen again .

    • @riotctrl9703
      @riotctrl9703 2 года назад +8

      Likely murdered or died from hunger or exposure in the camp or while walking home

    • @karrole88
      @karrole88 2 года назад +11

      What happened to 85000 pow? Well Not worse than what happened to way more than 4,000,000 million Soviet pow captured by Germans.
      At least some of them returned and even paid for their work, the courtesy that red army POWs never imagined.

    • @natethegreat1999
      @natethegreat1999 2 года назад +2

      @@karrole88 of course it’s a tragedy but the difference is that one state continued to exist and the other was destroyed. Wish maybe we were as tough on the victors as we are on the fallen.

    • @jacobjorgenson9285
      @jacobjorgenson9285 2 года назад +3

      They died

    • @IvanIvanov-gu6mw
      @IvanIvanov-gu6mw 2 года назад +1

      Bastards become food for worms xD

  • @freefall9832
    @freefall9832 4 года назад +5

    A new Stalingrad Battle Data video, very excited

  • @bookaufman9643
    @bookaufman9643 3 года назад +4

    I'm very impressed with your video here. I've seen a lot of videos on Stalingrad and the Eastern front in general and yours is one of the better ones that I've seen in a long time. If you had more money you could probably flush this out into a real working video that wouldn't just be for history nerds like myself. There's enough info in there to make it really good but it's still really good as it is.

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  3 года назад +2

      That's precisely what could happen indeed... At some point there will be a new release with all episodes merged into one big film that would go beyond the documentary. Thanks for your interest!

  • @xvsj5833
    @xvsj5833 4 года назад +4

    Great update and research. Thank you for sharing.

  • @williamlucey5810
    @williamlucey5810 4 года назад +9

    Brilliant, brilliant, documentary, thanks!

  • @steveaustin62
    @steveaustin62 4 года назад +8

    Brilliant, really enjoying this material.

  • @DaveSCameron
    @DaveSCameron 4 года назад +2

    Mr Blanc does himself boundless benefit from the narrative, most astute yet undeniably intelligent and articulate thoughts are concisely reported and we are so fortunate to have your good self to relay his superb work . Many thanks again Sir.

  • @theresters1
    @theresters1 4 года назад +7

    I AM AN OLD MAN IN HIS SEVENTIES, AND HAVE READ AND WATCHED MANY PUBLICATIONS CONCERNING WW2. THIS IS THE MOST FACTUAL NON-POLITICAL OF ALL. THIS IS A GREAT GREAT STORY, TOLD TRUTHFULLY AND WITHOUT PROPAGANDA BLAH BLAH BLAH! YOU SHOULD PUBLISH MORE. THANK YOU.

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад

      Thank you very much sir, it's really appreciated!

    • @michaelratliff905
      @michaelratliff905 4 года назад

      @@Armageddon4145 Keep up your good work Sir👍

  • @hetzerwesson
    @hetzerwesson 4 года назад +6

    This is a great video! Very informational.

  • @wehavehugeproblems4857
    @wehavehugeproblems4857 4 года назад +17

    Love you’re work . This should be used in schools to show our children history !

  • @ringo688
    @ringo688 4 года назад +115

    The elites look after there own.

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +20

      That's it, precisely, excellent summary.

    • @wesleymcglone6937
      @wesleymcglone6937 4 года назад +3

      Wheat from the chaff. All mixed in the same social circles years down the line.

    • @ringo688
      @ringo688 3 года назад

      @dwiggins01 I have a bridge to sell you.

    • @ringo688
      @ringo688 3 года назад +1

      @dwiggins01 Fair point but the net result is the same,"the elites look after their own"

    • @marinazagrai1623
      @marinazagrai1623 3 года назад +1

      Chris...I think it was more that the USSR was on the winning side, finally! They were trying to adhere to the Geneva Convention so the officers would not be able to say there was any mistreatment. It wasn't just the big generals that were captured and they were treated equally well.

  • @paulcateiii
    @paulcateiii 4 года назад +3

    thanks again Anton for another excellent video

  • @elguapo1507
    @elguapo1507 4 года назад +22

    What a fantastic lesson of history. So glad you made this. Thank you!

  • @allypoum
    @allypoum 3 года назад +2

    Fascinating stuff. Most excited by discovering a new RUclips channel I have been for a good while.

  • @cdflyboy
    @cdflyboy 4 года назад +14

    Stark contrast to how rank and file troops were treated in captivity

    • @cdflyboy
      @cdflyboy 3 года назад

      @u666sa the rank and file I referred to were German. History tells a very different tale regarding the German troops that were imprisoned in the Soviet Union.

    • @cdflyboy
      @cdflyboy 3 года назад

      @u666sa well yes, some, or many definitely were. However, historically, the vast majority were unwilling conscripts that had no choice.
      Also historical fact, same can be said for both sides on the eastern front. Soviets murdered 10’s of thousands and reaped millions.... AMD I don’t agree that a genocide should have been an appropriate answer. Although I do believe many many more should have been tried and convicted. Including Japan

  • @willienolegs8928
    @willienolegs8928 4 года назад +4

    Outstanding presentation almost unbelievable but true. Many thanks. Shubin

  • @daviddienstag7832
    @daviddienstag7832 4 года назад +23

    Absolutely excellent video! Thank you so much! Like any good journalism, it provokes as many questions as it answers. The issue that springs to my mind is the question of why they treated the German officers so well and treat the enlisted men so horribly? Were not the leaders more guilty of the horrors that the Germans inflicted in Barbarossa than the lower ranks? The fate of the rest of the sixth army was pretty grim.

    • @trplpwr1038
      @trplpwr1038 4 года назад +1

      Can't believe that Stalin didn't have them hung.

    • @simonshiels1
      @simonshiels1 8 месяцев назад

      Pertinent observation.....c.5000 enlisted out of c.90000 enlisted 6th Army pows returned to Germany eventually. For a supposedly egalitarian communist society this doesn't really add up. Pragmatically the propaganda benefits could be beneficial. Like all war from the earliest to the latest it all stinks.

  • @BT59
    @BT59 8 месяцев назад +2

    Great video, glad I watched it and amazed I had never heard of Suzdal.

  • @Ystadcop
    @Ystadcop 4 года назад +8

    Most revealing. An outstanding work.
    Thank-you.

  • @D.N..
    @D.N.. 4 года назад +12

    This book should be translated into English and other languages, it gives a totally different perspective which most have never been able to study

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +2

      That's for sure. And it's only a small excerpt here. Others to follow!

  • @Simon-jj2pu
    @Simon-jj2pu 4 года назад +52

    There is a great BBC documentary about Generals captured on the western front (and desert), they were interned in a UK stately home, and every room was bugged

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +3

      Interesting thank you for the information.

    • @seeker5736
      @seeker5736 4 года назад +5

      Simon . It was called,SOLDATEN. There is a book entitled the same.

    • @roryobrien4401
      @roryobrien4401 4 года назад +4

      Yes, and the scenario was almost identical. Crazy fuckers, unbelievable the influence the Austrian Corporal had on them.

    • @shergy1000
      @shergy1000 4 года назад +3

      Did the great BBC docu mention that is against the Geneva Convention to secretly record POW's? I suspect not. The British were already listening through the Enigma programme.

    • @OLDCHEMIST1
      @OLDCHEMIST1 3 года назад +4

      Yes and they made it quite clear in conversations between themselves how much they knew of the true nature of the Nazis.

  • @teedlebomb1
    @teedlebomb1 4 года назад +2

    Wonderful video - thank you.

  • @robertchubb1518
    @robertchubb1518 4 года назад +6

    An excellent edition to your channel sir. I look forward to your next highlight. Keep them coming

  • @victoriapruitt1209
    @victoriapruitt1209 4 года назад +9

    Real actual history, a truly excellent video.
    Thank you.

  • @brucer81
    @brucer81 4 года назад +22

    Fascinating look into the unspoken or previously little know history of WWll.

    • @AgeofInk
      @AgeofInk 3 года назад

      Agree

    • @codyflowers8758
      @codyflowers8758 3 года назад

      It greats propaganda lies to believe any of this video. Really look into history,the Russian didn’t do anything for there prisoners but let them starve to death,die of diseases and there injuries of the war or their captures. This a lot of lies trying to alter history

  • @robrob9208
    @robrob9208 2 года назад +2

    Very well put together thank you

  • @GERMANHISTORYARCHIVE
    @GERMANHISTORYARCHIVE 4 года назад +2

    many thanks for this interesting video!

  • @all_the_bad_news5614
    @all_the_bad_news5614 3 года назад +10

    Paulus is the only officer I ever felt bad for during the battle of Stalingrad....he seems to have actually felt the weight of most of these decisions... decisions that in the most part weren't even his to make

    • @marconius101
      @marconius101 3 года назад +3

      He's nothing more than a opportunist...

    • @all_the_bad_news5614
      @all_the_bad_news5614 3 года назад +1

      @@marconius101 as most people are

    • @marconius101
      @marconius101 3 года назад +1

      @@all_the_bad_news5614 you're probably right.... And of course as one gets older views change..

    • @all_the_bad_news5614
      @all_the_bad_news5614 3 года назад

      @@marconius101 all very true statements in my opinion but it's not really worth much lol

    • @tofu1608
      @tofu1608 9 месяцев назад

      He was a fucking Nazi??? Rest in piss like every Nazi. And sympathizers like you are just as bad.

  • @dannybroad677
    @dannybroad677 3 года назад +3

    TIk recommended this. Great content. Subscribed

  • @TonyNque
    @TonyNque 4 года назад +2

    Thanks guys m/f - Brilliant work ...

  • @erichusayn
    @erichusayn 4 года назад +2

    Very well done video. Thanks.

  • @rallypojken
    @rallypojken 4 года назад +5

    Exquisite! One of the best videos on yt. Thank you!

  • @rogerhudson9732
    @rogerhudson9732 3 года назад +10

    Probably the best POW camp, of the 91,000 troops of the 6th army captured at Stalingrad less than 6000 lived to go home, as late as 1955 in most cases.

  • @volteco2
    @volteco2 3 года назад +4

    Thank you. I found this very interesting.

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  3 года назад

      Glad you enjoyed it!
      Did you watch all of it? Because I feared there could have been more boring moments at some points :)

  • @shafur3
    @shafur3 3 года назад +1

    I enjoy your chanel very much. I say it's the best. Thank you for sharing.

  • @ranjithtp6204
    @ranjithtp6204 3 года назад +6

    Never heard of anything about this before , thank you bro , love from India❤️❤️❤️🇮🇳🇮🇳

  • @steveholmes5207
    @steveholmes5207 4 года назад +8

    I absolutely loved this so well researched and amazing narration. People could say well its history correct but a significant part of of 20 th century history. Definitely subscribed greetings from steve in England hope everyone is staying safe 👍

  • @spm36
    @spm36 4 года назад +1

    Really interesting...thanks for posting..

  • @Armageddon4145
    @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +243

    Short clarification. Since there are several comments pointing at the same topic (the overall number of German POWs that eventually returned to Germany), let's clarify.
    As it was mentioned several times inside the video, Suzdal Camp 160 had nothing to do with standard POW camps. It had a special status. This group of POWs was clearly pampered, and of course it was in the interest of the Soviet Command to treat well the German top leadership, for propaganda purposes. The objective was to make them turn, and initiate an "antifascist" party.
    At no moment did the video claim that the same treatment was applied to all German POWs. Obviously they suffered much more difficult conditions. So for those comments that try to mix this up: please don't mix things up. The main interest of this video is in the unique material it provides, translated for the first time in English: the work of Alexander Blank. It's fascinating to have these details about former 6th Army generals and Marshal Paulus.
    So again, to those commenters: try and see the positive aspects (the new knowledge this video provides) instead of the negative, by pointing out what it "doesn't say".
    This channel is not here to repeat already well-known information. It's here to bring new one. That's why this is not about the 6,000 POWs that came back to Germany out of the 91,000 taken prisoner at Stalingrad. It's not excluded that there will be some video about such statistics in the future. When it's the case, it will precise that this low ratio was typical to Stalingrad because of the cauldron. If the Germans surrendered earlier, the ratio would have been higher. Just as it was higher for the rest of the Germans POWs captured later in the war. If there's such a video in the future, then it will also remind that the ratio for Soviet POWs returning home was largely lower than that for German POWs. It will also remind the statistics of the Nazi atrocities, and the victims in civilian population, at least 20 million. It will remind the atrocities of 6th Army at Stalingrad against the military and the population. It will remind all this. If we begin to talk statistics, it certainly won't end in favor of the Germans... Because this is what reality was.
    For those who didn't get it yet: this is not a "propaganda" channel. This is a channel that seeks historical truth and dispells myths. If it was a "propaganda channel", it wouldn't have tried to dispell the propaganda myth of Pavlov's House, for instance. Just check the others videos. The last one (Stalingrad movie 1949) clearly denounces Stalin propaganda...see? No communist propaganda here. No propaganda whatsoever. It seems like some are eager to categorize this as propaganda even before trying to see the other videos. So please take a deeper look at the channel before categorizing it.
    This channel explores History and uncovers new information. Once it does, it has fulfilled its task. Then it's up to everyone to interpret this information. Those who are anti-Russian from the beginning won't find it difficult to interpret it as propaganda, whereas those who have a neutral approach will appreciate the new information as it comes.
    War is hell. War is ugly. War is the worst thing humanity can inflict to itself. The purpose of this channel is also to try and educate people so that war never happens again. Down with extremism of all kind. Balance is the ultimate good.
    So let's concentrate not on polemics, but on History.
    If you enjoyed this series and wish this channel to continue providing unique content, please consider supporting it on Patreon: www.patreon.com/Staldata

    • @dougrobbins5367
      @dougrobbins5367 4 года назад +16

      @mozart0042 Without evidence or reason, your comment is useless, and you waste your own time and everyone else's.

    • @johnappleyard4123
      @johnappleyard4123 4 года назад +26

      Russian captured 90,000 Germans at Stalingrad and they were unprepared for such quantity of POW. Secondly this army was already in advance stage of starvation for months. First night I suppose was horrible and many didn’t wake up. In following days Russian commander ordered to own troops to share their food with POW. After all in Russian captivity died 12% of Germans POW (including in this, POW from Stalingrad )in contrast with 56% of Russian POW in German captivity. From this point of view, Russian acted more human than Germans. This 6th army committed atrocities that Genghis Han would be surprisingly pleased. And by the way this is history.

    • @michaelratliff905
      @michaelratliff905 4 года назад +13

      Great job, F.M.Paulas was Madman Hitler's scape goat for sure, ... I was not aware of those select POWs,and their "situation"... considering what the Nazi's did to the Russian people , the German's there were extremely lucky,..and unlucky at the same time. Thanks for the good history lesson, cannot wait for more, really informative, and the presentation was very well done Sir.!..Thank you

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 4 года назад +8

      Also lest we forget the Soviet Union had been THRASHED. Most of it's Infrastructure needed rebuilding from the ground up, it's population has been reduced by at least 30 million and they had to send somehow feed and house whomever was left when entire cities were mass graves. So ya.. not just SOVIETS evil. Also the "Allies" were already in a state of cold war in 45 with the Soviets so that made things even worse.

    • @michaelratliff905
      @michaelratliff905 4 года назад +7

      @@JeanLucCaptain Communisum is the greatest Scourge in the History of Humanity, ..Soviet Communist murderers made Hitler's Nazis look like a joke

  • @Asgard2208
    @Asgard2208 4 года назад +9

    Thank you. Very informative and interesting. And not a little bit surprising, too!

  • @bobkohl6779
    @bobkohl6779 4 года назад +139

    A lot of Germans weren't returned until the 50s.

    • @REALDEALMMA91
      @REALDEALMMA91 4 года назад

      There is great video footage of them coming home . ruclips.net/video/jAw3kt3BdrQ/видео.html ruclips.net/video/jAw3kt3BdrQ/видео.html

    • @contactalias7500
      @contactalias7500 4 года назад +21

      Vast majority of enlisted men were worked to death in Siberia, treated worse than slaves.

    • @contactalias7500
      @contactalias7500 4 года назад +26

      @terry waller We are told to ignore those numbers and focus on Soviet compassion for their treatment of a couple hundred officers. . . .

    • @Dulcimertunes
      @Dulcimertunes 4 года назад +3

      True

    • @E3kTheCat
      @E3kTheCat 4 года назад +4

      @@contactalias7500 cite your sources that "vast majority of enlisted men were worked to death in Siberia"

  • @chadczternastek
    @chadczternastek 3 года назад +6

    God some of these conditions are better than my last apartment.

  • @kmcd1000
    @kmcd1000 4 года назад +4

    Excellent history gentlemen. Don't let a few negative comments by complainers ruin your great work.

  • @mrsillywalk
    @mrsillywalk 4 года назад +313

    No such treatment for the Polish officers, rather a mass grave from the Soviets!

    • @Stakan79
      @Stakan79 4 года назад +41

      I wouldn’t trust this propaganda about german POWs. Vast majority of germans captured in Stalingrad died in USSR.

    • @mrsillywalk
      @mrsillywalk 4 года назад +67

      @Sierra-250 100%. The Soviets and their Germans allies started the second world war when they attacked Poland. The Soviets are as guilty as the Germans but this seems to be forgotten by most.

    • @marccru
      @marccru 4 года назад +20

      Russians looked at Poland as a puppet state created by the west (as did Germany). There was some real hatred there. No one was safe there.

    • @yzmey42113
      @yzmey42113 4 года назад +12

      @@mrsillywalk You are rewriting history.

    • @saintadolf5639
      @saintadolf5639 4 года назад +30

      @@yzmey42113 She is CORRECTING the false yet popular history most know of. It is a FACT that the Soviets invaded Poland in 1939 and the Soviets occupied the eastern half of Poland while the Germans occupied the western part of Poland (a.k.a. "the Polish Corridor"....or land that was stolen from Germany through the Treaty of Versailles)

  • @prwchan
    @prwchan 3 года назад +22

    It's easy to understand why they were well treated: They had high propaganda value and value for Stalin as trophies.

    • @achord9204
      @achord9204 3 года назад +1

      Yet Germany used Russian soldiers for medical experiments and took no prisoners most of the time. The Germans murdered

  • @KB4QAA
    @KB4QAA 4 года назад +1

    Superb. Thank you for reading directly from first source material!

  • @mitsanut5869
    @mitsanut5869 3 года назад +5

    I was in Suzdal in 1979. Fascinating place.

  • @sogalstar
    @sogalstar 3 года назад +6

    TIK recommended this channel. Great stuff!

  • @willandrews9741
    @willandrews9741 4 года назад +9

    Thanks for posting this. It’s an incredible look at how these particular men were treated. I wish all POWs were treated in this manner. This has great historical value. Thank you very much I enjoyed it thoroughly & recommend it to all.

    • @psilvakimo
      @psilvakimo 4 года назад +1

      You mean like a 7% survival rate?

  • @zahrokhasan
    @zahrokhasan 11 месяцев назад +1

    Very interesting video! I'm really interested in Sixt von Armin's figure and this has shed more light to him and his personality, so thank you very much!

  • @ErokLobotomist
    @ErokLobotomist 3 года назад +1

    Von Arnim's attitude is probably why he died in captivity in 1952. Great video by the way. Videos like this are what makes YT great.

  • @alansewell7810
    @alansewell7810 7 месяцев назад +3

    This video has a section based on the book THE STALINGRAD YEAR by Alexander Werth, a British journalist raised in Leningrad, who reported from the Soviet Army to the British press. That book is contained in his other larger book RUSSIA AT WAR 1941:1945, available by the large on-line book seller. Alexander Werth was with the Soviet Army at Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kursk, Byelorussia, and the drive into Berlin.

    • @frankaczmarek3042
      @frankaczmarek3042 5 месяцев назад

      RUSSIA AT WAR was from 1939 when together with the Germans they attacked Poland.
      For some reason, English media don't mention that.
      Before it was a political thing because since the Germans attacked ZSRR Soviets became friends with the West, so it wasn't nice to aggravate Stalin, but now?

  • @robbuglass6199
    @robbuglass6199 4 года назад +4

    Love the content
    Just watching the 2nd one .

  • @Subcritical96
    @Subcritical96 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for a fresh perspective

  • @Chris-lk3ko
    @Chris-lk3ko 3 года назад +1

    Excellent video thank you

  • @christianlibertarian5488
    @christianlibertarian5488 3 года назад +11

    Paulus’s story has the makings of a Greek tragedy. He clearly was a deep thinking intellectual, yet spent his life as a dedicated warrior serving his country. He is then confronted, as a prisoner, with the consequences of his life’s decisions. When he is forced to look at them, he hates what he sees but doesn’t really want to believe he supported the unspeakable. I am speculating that only his habitual discipline kept him from killing himself. Or maybe it was his inner weakness, the same weakness that let him lead millions to their deaths.
    If I were a better writer, I’d write a novel about it.

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  3 года назад +2

      A complex and uncommon story indeed. Strange that the cinema version Germany released a few years ago didn't meet greater success in the public. Thanks for your feedback!

  • @malcolmallerton3946
    @malcolmallerton3946 4 года назад +66

    Like they he said the generals where eating good while there men starved

    • @algorithm4390
      @algorithm4390 4 года назад +6

      ..same deal on the Burma Thai railway...no surprise there

    • @willievannostrin6249
      @willievannostrin6249 4 года назад +12

      all army's in the world are the same,,the generals eat like kings,and the rest eat like crap,, and that is in the normal chow hall,,all the way through the field kitchens,, always has been and always will be,,

    • @KermitFrazierdotcom
      @KermitFrazierdotcom 4 года назад +8

      Malcolm Allerton ☆ Napoleon Rode Back to Paris from Moscow Covered in Furs. You know what happened to his Army.

    • @patricklamshear1806
      @patricklamshear1806 4 года назад +4

      Nothing new in that always the same.

    • @normannokes9513
      @normannokes9513 3 года назад

      Sudden deaths of German soldiers caused concern. Post mortem revealed an absence of the vital fat protecting organs.. Obviously they had reached the terminable stage of starvation. The conscripted soldier not a member ofthe elite murder squad tasked with the eliminaion of Russian commissars and Jews ;their vile status brought benefit.

  • @KermitFrazierdotcom
    @KermitFrazierdotcom 4 года назад +1

    This Newly Released Point of View is what Changes our Understanding of History to be more Precise.

  • @andrewrobertson3894
    @andrewrobertson3894 4 года назад +2

    Very good. Thank you.

  • @trustedsource2617
    @trustedsource2617 2 года назад +3

    Impressive bit of WWII history I had not heard before.

  • @ahmetben8812
    @ahmetben8812 4 года назад +4

    Thank you for posting real history with references

  • @simonshiels1
    @simonshiels1 8 месяцев назад +1

    Many thanks for this excellent presentation

  • @blahblah2556
    @blahblah2556 4 года назад +12

    I enjoyed that, well done.

  • @CatsandDogs-qn3ij
    @CatsandDogs-qn3ij 4 года назад +3

    Very Well Done! Bravo!!

  • @malcolmwolfgram7414
    @malcolmwolfgram7414 4 года назад +6

    Thus was fascinating. I could have listened for hours. I was watching the red line at the bottom of the video not wanting it to come to an end! Thankyou! BTW, what's the accent of the reader?

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +3

      And thanks to you for your appreciation! The series continues, 3 episodes in total.
      Brad, the narrator, is from Australia.

    • @daveyboy_
      @daveyboy_ 3 года назад

      @@Armageddon4145 I aint no lingustist but that aint no Australian accent.

    • @petercook1291
      @petercook1291 3 года назад

      NZ

    • @biloz2988
      @biloz2988 3 года назад

      The accent is a British German from his pronunciation

    • @valmacoffey-mcclean6910
      @valmacoffey-mcclean6910 3 года назад

      @@daveyboy_ Yes it is. I am Australian so I should know.

  • @marcoantonioabarca2617
    @marcoantonioabarca2617 4 года назад +1

    Really well done. Good narrator. Easy to understand.

  • @rtrident4803
    @rtrident4803 4 года назад +1

    Great video!

  • @oberonstar6278
    @oberonstar6278 3 года назад +5

    thank you so very much, love to all people and acknowledgment for humanity shown Germany Pirsners in this case. blessing

  • @Tempestzzzz
    @Tempestzzzz 4 года назад +19

    This is very informative. Thanks. My late mother worked around Wehrmacht Generals during the war (another theater-Yugoslavia). She had a low opinion of them.

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +1

      Thanks for your interest.

    • @Tempestzzzz
      @Tempestzzzz 4 года назад

      And Thank You.

    • @senjorgane
      @senjorgane 4 года назад +2

      Can you write down a bit more about her role during 2ww in Yugoslavia?

    • @jamesu1857
      @jamesu1857 4 года назад +4

      its ok,,,my uncles in the 7th SS didnt think much of the Yugos

    • @jackstarr4726
      @jackstarr4726 4 года назад

      Because they didn't accept her offers of xxx for money?

  • @tedbaxter5234
    @tedbaxter5234 3 года назад +1

    What a wonderful history, thank you!

  • @MegaEvilfred
    @MegaEvilfred Год назад +1

    Great Video.

  • @DotepenecPL
    @DotepenecPL Год назад +4

    Great material, truly fascinating. Thank you for creating that.
    There were two sort of touching moments, too. First, I wouldn't expect a prisoner of war willingly coming back to where his camp was, let alone kiss the ground. Second, it was sad to hear about the letter from Paulus' wife. As far as I know, he never saw her again...

  • @kdfulton3152
    @kdfulton3152 4 года назад +17

    WOW! Excellent video, great work Anton and Brad. Very, very interesting. I’m surprised they were treated so well compared to how Stalin treated his own people in his own camps. But even the Russians who hated Stalin said they’re not fighting for him, they’re fighting for the Motherland. But the German Generals were given more than an average Russian citizen. I don’t care if they’re generals or not, they are POW’s. I assume the Officers and higher-ups are treated better than enlisted in captivity, but that’s ridiculous. But it was a beautiful camp.
    Thank you guys 👍👍👍. Bravo Anton👏👏👏

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +5

      Thanks. This indeed raises questions. Also we need to remember that this was the first time German high ranking officers were captured. So surely the Soviets wanted to keep them safe.

    • @astralclub5964
      @astralclub5964 2 года назад +2

      I sense more than a little propaganda here! The German death rate in Soviet imprisonment was 33%. That’s hardly a vacation resort statistic! Admittedly, Soviets in German hands had higher death rates. But, as I said, 33% is a bit high for the conditions presented in this video.

    • @vgrepairs
      @vgrepairs 11 месяцев назад

      ​@@astralclub5964 "admittedly"? Dude you say that like the soviet rate was just a tad higher in german captivity. How many soviets returned from nazi camps? How many soviet civilians were murdered and raped by the nazis?

    • @AnonAnon-ym8sk
      @AnonAnon-ym8sk 11 месяцев назад +2

      The enlisted were mostly worked or marched to death but they were making a strategic effort to convert officers to communism and thereby offered nice conditions

    • @LorenzoBruni-ol6pt
      @LorenzoBruni-ol6pt 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@astralclub5964this Is false,german death in soviet Camp was 13%,in german Camp the mortalità of soviet Pow was 60%

  • @lucderksen2411
    @lucderksen2411 3 года назад +1

    Great content, thank you! I also came here from Tik.
    I've been to the town of Suzdal soms years ago. Very pretty now.
    I've become a patreon. You deserve it!

  • @alejandrocasalegno1657
    @alejandrocasalegno1657 4 года назад +2

    Always superb Anton...................always!!!!!!

  • @majcorbin
    @majcorbin 4 года назад +4

    excellent production and presentation
    your well researched and written video is a historical eye openner
    to this old soldier

  • @antonyendean1873
    @antonyendean1873 3 года назад +11

    I believe that the treatment of these high ranking officers was in striking contrast to what happened to the rank and file Wermacht soldier incaptivity,.

  • @panzertracks
    @panzertracks 4 года назад +1

    excellent work thanks for sharing, always wondered what happened to them after the surrender.

  • @TheWolfgangfritz
    @TheWolfgangfritz 3 года назад +1

    Thank you!

  • @gordy3714
    @gordy3714 4 года назад +14

    Excellent video Anton, can you do a video on the fate of the men after The Battle of Stalingrad.

  • @josebenedith3321
    @josebenedith3321 4 года назад +5

    Is there a place or store where to find the book in English? the second life of field marshal paulus

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  4 года назад +2

      The only translation in English is going on at Staldata

  • @spikeyflo
    @spikeyflo 3 года назад +1

    Truly fascinating. Never heard of Susdal and had always wondered about the immediate post Stalingrad fate of Paulus and the rest of them. Now I know.

    • @Armageddon4145
      @Armageddon4145  3 года назад

      Thanks! Did you find it good all the way? Some people say parts of it were boring

  • @abp2861
    @abp2861 4 года назад +8

    Gosh. What an insight into the facts of this event. 10/10